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Re: Lil' House outdoor wood burning heater. ??
« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2006, 03:37:01 PM »
Hey don't forget you get a "tips installation" CD too!  I have on it what I show everyone that picks one up at the farm.  I agree that the installation instructions the factory have could be better, that is why made the tips cd!

Glad you got it together............You should have called me if you had questions.........that is why my cell phone number is on the website.......LOL

Glad you got it going!

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Re: Lil' House outdoor wood burning heater. ??
« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2006, 08:36:39 PM »
I finally got the pics out of Kodak not-so-easy-share

This is the back side. it is also just before I fired it. I put the rest of the pipe on before  lighting a fire.
 Every fall we plastic the porch to fill with wood to keep it close and dry.

This is the front view.
 We are very happy with this stove. I am hoping for some cold soon so we can shut the windows!
 The coldest nights we have had so far ( about 20 degs) I filled the fire box three quarters full and still had wood in it in the morning 8)
 I'll start another thread about my new garage in the background.
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« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2007, 10:50:22 PM »
Photo's look good, glad your happy with it!  I think I sold around 200 units last year, amazing.   All nice people too!  Now to go ask some questions about cutting logs to sell.

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Re: Lil' House outdoor wood burning heater. ?? update 1/24/08
« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2008, 07:56:28 PM »
 It's time I filled you all in on this unit. I have waited so long because I have had trouble with it and did not want to say things about the stove or company untill all was straightened out ( or not).

 The stove will have us with open windows all winter if we keep enough wood in it! Our mobile home is 900 sq ft. It would easily heat twice our house.
 The pros;
It is quiet. The fire is out side. The mess is outside. It was inexpensive. We are NOT using fuel oil.
 The cons;
 It likes wood. It is hard to regulate. We had problems with it. It was an ugly problem. They wouldn't tell me how often they have this problem with it, but I gotta believe it happens once in a while.
 The problem was that the stove, every once in a while would leak creosote out of the gasket down the side of the barrel. Anyone that burns wood knows what creosote smells  like. When it is forced into your house at 2am by the stove it is not pretty. I spoke with Scotty about it and took the end of the stove off and tried to seal the chimney flange connection. My repair did not work. The Lil house people sent me a new gasket. I installed that. Same problem. It did not happen often, only once every two weeks or so, but it was a very memorable event whenever it happened.
 The last gasket I put in was before this heating season. It seemed ok for a few weeks then happened again.
 Another call to the manufacturer.
 They sent me a new barrel with a new flange (and collar). I had to rebuild the stove. It worked good for a few weeks and I thought the problem was fixed. Then one night we came home to find the house filled with creosote stink again. I was not happy. In the light of the next day I could see what had happened, the new chimmny flange adapter (collar) that they had sent had a hole in the weld letting creosote run down the barrel again. I put the old collar on (it did not have any holes in it) and have not had any problem in over four weeks.
 So I'm hoping it is fixed now. It has been an ordeal. Lil house and Scotty have always been helpfull and concerned, sent me parts at no charge, but I would have been a much happier customer if they had sent me a new stove last year when I first started having trouble. As I told Scotty in an e-mail " I didn't buy a project, I bought a stove I should be able to use"
 To be fair thier policy is that they will fix it if it is sent back to the factory. The cost was prohibitive to send it back so I took on the repairs myself.
 I hope this did not come off as a rant, I don't mean it that way, just wanted you all to know.
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Re: Lil' House outdoor wood burning heater. ??
« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2008, 08:11:49 PM »
Hope you have it fixed.
I don't follow you when you talk of a seal and creosote running down the barrel.

Is there a site that shows the cross-section of this stove, and how it operates? I'm curious.

I looked at the Lil House site, and they talk like there is a round drum for a combustion chamber. Apparently the gasket is around the door going to the chamber..??   Close, or no cigar?

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Re: Lil' House outdoor wood burning heater. ??
« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2008, 07:43:53 AM »
Sorry 'bout that! I have lots of trouble expressing thoughts into words, speaking or typing.

 The chimney flange is a pipe welded to a curved piece of metal that is the same shape as the barrel. They cut a rather rough hole in the barrel near the back wall and bolt this flange to the barrel with 8 or 9 5/16" bolts. They use a gasket between the flange and barrel. If the gasket doesn't seal properly creosote will seep through it.
 The door frame also has a gasket around it but I have had no trouble with that. The door itself does not have a gasket. It is shaped to seal to the door frame and seems to seal pretty good without a gasket.

 If you look at the pics back a few posts, look at the back view, picture a 55 gal drum lying on its side in that box. Where the chimney comes out you can see that the stove pipe goes into a collar. The collar is fitted into the flange that caused me all of the trouble. The collar is what had the hole in the weld the second time around.

 I have probubly confused you more.
I am going to go back to the 1/24 post and fix two words that may make it clearer.
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Re: Lil' House outdoor wood burning heater. ??
« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2008, 10:22:54 AM »
moosehunter
No, not confused more.  That was the image I was getting, but much clearer now.

I'm surprised a bit that there is such a gasket between the flange and barrel, and not a completely welded thimble that exits through the hot air plenum surrounding the combustion barrel. The likelihood of getting the creosote smell (which is likely from the unburned gasses that accumulate when the stove shuts itself down and smoulders) is just too great with that arrangement. It seems it is negating the main reason for placing the woodstove outside. All you want inside the home is heat...no possibility of combustion gases from the stove.  Keep a good alarm for the killing gas with good batteries in the home...sometimes the gas comes with no detectable smell.  The stove mfg should have realized the bad design and fixed it for you real fast...your life was in there hands. Maybe there is just too much differential movement between the barrel steel and the flange for the stack to keep a good weld, so they had to resort to the gasket which allows for that movement (and for your leak).

My indoor wood burner has a gasket around the door for a seal. When I overload the firebox, there can be some smell from the unburned wood gases that collect when oxygen is short. Usually I control the amount of wood needed for the amount of heat needed to keep the air input damper open.  But my method doesn't work well for loading as much wood in the stove as it will hold. Too much wasted heat.

Hope your stove continues to do well for you....it was for three years, and you are half way through the second...right?   :) :)

Good luck with it. 
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Re: Lil' House outdoor wood burning heater. ??
« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2008, 11:26:01 AM »
Thanks for the update.  Its been down around zero at night for the past couple of nights and Im tired of being cold! 

We have the wood stove in the living room but it cant keep up late at night and it cant push heat 60 back to our bedroom.  Corse,  we could just turn up the thermostats on our electric base board heaters that are in each room.  But then we wouldnt be suffering the proper amount. We have them all set on 50 degrees and the other morning I heard the one in our bedroom kick on!

There is no practical way to install and use the Lil House stove in our earth contact house.  Any other outdoor stove arrangement is going to cost big bucks for duct work, plumbing and such.  Were watching the Bio-Mizer project pretty close.  Maybe someday.
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« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2008, 03:16:13 PM »
Beenthere, you have explained the problem better than I did and you don't even have a lil house heater ;) I told you I have trouble expressing myself! I asked the company why that flange is not welded on and was not given an answer.

Bibbyman, no problem with cold here. My lovely bride loves the heat and gets home before I do. It is usually in the upper seventies when I get home, sometimes above 80. She asks me every night " why do you leave the front door open when you get home"?  :D :D
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Re: Lil' House outdoor wood burning heater. ??
« Reply #29 on: January 25, 2008, 05:30:32 PM »
I saw that same type of deal in the mid- west about 15 years ago. The were blowing the heat in a window.
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Re: Lil' House outdoor wood burning heater. ??
« Reply #30 on: October 13, 2010, 08:23:13 PM »
I put gas logs in a 100,000 btu wood stove. I could always use wood ,but it is an easy fast fire.Even with a low flame i am sure it is putting out 40,000 btu.  My wood stove is called the ponderosa made by the birmingham stove and range co.                                 brian


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