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« on: April 10, 2014, 02:31:33 PM »
I was cutting some warped 2x6s into 2' long pieces and then ripping them on the table saw to make stickers. I was using a maple 1x1 as a push stick when this happened.
 

 
I tried to use the push stick to push it off the blade and it grabbed the push stick and whizzed it across the shop. My arm was in between it and where it wanted to go.
 

 
This is apparently where it wanted to go... my garage door 20' away.
 

 
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Re: be careful cutting stickers
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2014, 03:08:46 PM »
My table saw scares the crap out of me.. so I've resorted to just stackin one inch boards on sawmill and ripping them to 1" square. Way faster and safer.
Glad u didn't lose any body parts. Be careful out there!
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« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2014, 03:31:22 PM »
I know its water under the bridge now Jake..but my warped wood is firewood.
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« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2014, 03:34:42 PM »
That looks scary.   :-[  Luckily I can't afford a table saw that powerful.
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« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2014, 03:45:59 PM »
Its only a 2hp saw. If this happens to you guys, just shut her down and remove it once the blade has stopped. A zero clearance insert wouldve prevented the stray slice from going down there. I'm sure theres something different I couldve used as a push stick as well that wouldve made it safer. I was wearing safety glasses but if it wouldve came for my face, I dont thing the glasses would've helped much. I'm sure ill have another pic of a massive bruise in a couple days. I blame WDH for telling me my stacks need more stickers  :D
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« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2014, 03:51:16 PM »
H Jake, you done MagicManed your self.  Glad it wasn't any worse.  Those saws can cause a world of hurt.

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« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2014, 03:55:15 PM »
Ooooh, thats a doozy Jake.  My table saw (old table saw) got me the worst of any of my power tools.  A kickback and a board slamming back down on the table hamburgered the tip of my middle finger.  I gotses the mostest respect for the "table saw" now.  Nobody can get near it when I'm running that buggar.  You know we wanna see the bruise in a couple days. ;D
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« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2014, 03:56:29 PM »
You have joined the MagicmanPOSTON picture group now.  :(
I am glad you did not get hurt any worse than what you did.
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« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2014, 05:19:29 PM »
Jake,

Sorry to hear about your accident.  I'm sure that your arm hurts quite a bit and will be a while healing.

I had a tablesaw accident myself a while back while cutting stickers. You can read about it here (http://www.forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,48402.msg697987.html#msg697987

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« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2014, 05:20:39 PM »
I had a radial arm saw do that to me once because I did not properly set the kickback pawls. We all learn from our mistakes and thank god your fingers are still attached. May be time for a stock feeder.
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« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2014, 05:20:57 PM »
wow hope things are fine now

I was ripping hemlock for stickers on a table saw years ago when a knot broke loose and hit me in the middle of the forehead.  Knocked me to my knees dazed and confused, DanG near put me out.
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« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2014, 05:25:07 PM »
Wow, we are glad it's not worse, it could have been.   smiley_speechless
We use a commercial duty power feed on the table saw.  It prevents kickback, allows you to get out of the axis of the saw blade, and allows us to easily make stickers or straighten boards.  We don't have an SLR or edger, but this works great is less expensive, and very safe.

Here is an old video of us trimming cull boards.  Typically we can run them much faster than this, but it illustrates the ease of use.



Take care and we are very happy you weren't hurt worse.  The hole in the door says it all.
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« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2014, 06:32:16 PM »
I think my table saw is the most dangerous saw I have. that thing has caused more near misses than any other tool I have ever owned. I know my luck will run out eventually. I hope eventually is a long way off. hope you heal quick.
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« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2014, 07:53:22 PM »
It happens, glad none worse for wear on that one,   
only have a few chain saws I'm not suppose to use, but will at times, one dog Dolly, pretty good dog, just not sure what for yet,  working on getting the gardening back in order, and kinda thinking on maybe a small bbq bizz,  thinking about it,

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« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2014, 08:26:58 PM »
Use the saw mill to do that, you can make a bunch in no time, Even if you cut the lumber 4' first. Hope you get better. :)
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« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2014, 08:37:17 PM »
I do as Peter suggested and then use the miter saw to cut them to length.
You can make a lot of stickers in an afternoon.
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« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2014, 08:38:58 PM »
Thanks guys. The sawmill would definately cut them faster. I was just using the table saw because its cheaper to run. A carbide tipped table saw blade is about $20 and a sawmill band is about $20 but it doesnt use carbide. And the tablesaw doesnt use gas. But after this go around. I will definately be using the mill from here on out.
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« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2014, 08:44:23 PM »
     I cut 'em on the mill too.  But I use a chainsaw and a jig to cut them to length.  A whole lot faster than a chop saw.
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« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2014, 09:58:27 PM »
Glad you are ok... mostly. 

I had my worst accident with a tablesaw as well.  I had a 2x2x18 piece kickback and nail me in the chest so hard it imediately knocked me out.  As the world was going black my face was headed for the still spinning saw.  My knees were buckling and I was going down.  Luckily I was able to slap the kill switch before I blacked out.  When I came too on the floor I had the safety key from the switch in my hand. 

The next day when I got the guts to fire the thing back up I found that it had kicked so hard that it broke the cast iron motor mount.  Craftsman told me they don't see many of those ordered!

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« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2014, 10:12:22 PM »
It does happen. We take the little jobs for granite a lot of the times. We don't aim to hurt ourselves, but we don't always see what is about to happen in time to correct the hazard. Glad that you didn't get in the blade, they don't care what they cut. bg
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« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2014, 10:17:24 PM »
I agree cutting stickers on a mill is fast, but we spend a good deal of time post processing our kiln dried lumber, trimming out defects, and getting it ready for sale.  This is a typical stack of cherry we trimmed up last week, and represents only cull boards from several loads that needed attention.  After we clean the boards up, removing edge defects and end cracks, we run the waste trimmings continuously through the table saw at 108 feet per minute, as fast as we can feed them, which provides lots of kiln dried stickers ready for immediate use.

Needles to say, we run a lot of lumber through the table saw, about this much every week, and safety is a primary concern.  We wouldn't do this operation without the safety and speed of a power feed.

Again, I am very happy you didn't get hurt worse.
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« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2014, 11:45:52 PM »
Very nice time to have a straight line rip saw. At 15hp I wouldnt want to be behind mine in a kickback, but the good thing is I can stand to the side.

The last time my cabinet shop had a loss of work accident, it was a man getting cut on a table saw cutting stir sticks for the paint department. It always seems to be the non product items for some reason. We also have 3 different spots 25ft behind out 3hp table saw where sticks have flew back, one busting a hole in 7/16 OSB!  :-X

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« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2014, 01:25:50 AM »
YH... I dont know how you got all those boards to lean like that. If it wouldve been me they wouldve all slid down the wall. Maybe your concrete is grippier than mine.
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« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2014, 01:30:55 AM »
Interesting how on the woodworking sites I can show a picture of my sawmill (swing blade) and people say "Wow that looks dangerous"

But they all use table saws  ::) And if you make a small mistake , they will bite....

I think it's more about what looks to be an obvious danger. There is no way you want body parts near an unguarded circle sawmill blade, and it pretty obvious from the noise it's a "dangerous" machine. A table saw is more stealthy, it lies in ambush and lulls you into a false sense of security. Then it grabs a chunk or wood and throws it at you!!!

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« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2014, 02:27:11 AM »
Glad you were not injured any worse than what you were.  Let's be careful out there.

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« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2014, 11:04:42 PM »
You guys were right. The mill was faster and I didn't even shed blood.
 

 
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« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2014, 02:10:19 AM »
My table saw has anti-kickback pawls. They can be a real pain to work with sometimes, but they definitely do the job.

Even with the pawls, I treat my saw like a loaded gun -- never stand in the direction its pointing.
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« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2014, 10:55:57 AM »
Got nailed in the thumb twice due to carelessness.
First time was in 1965 the second in 2000.
If the next one doesn't come for 35 years I should be all set.
I use a homemade zero clearance insert, and a 7-1/4 marathon thin kerf blade designed for skilsaw use.
Makes a smooth cut and boards with internal stress do not seem to be a problem.
Only put the 10 inch blade on when cutting thick stock.
I also have a home built apparatus whereby I can shut the saw off with my knee so I can keep my hands free to anchor the piece and the push stick.
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« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2014, 11:02:30 AM »
Running a sawmill is like wading across a river full of alligators, and don't think about the piranhas.  You worry about the big things that bite, and the little ones get you.  Nice looking stack of stickers.  Glad you're still with us!
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