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Re: Spiral heads
« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2014, 03:30:15 PM »
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Re: Spiral heads
« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2014, 07:26:07 PM »
Thanks, RO,  I'll check them out.  26" head uses about 180 and the shaver head uses about 90.   
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« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2014, 04:53:26 AM »
Cedarman, do you T&G the ends of your cedar boards? What do you see as what people want on this? Ricky
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Re: Spiral heads
« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2014, 09:49:10 AM »
We do not T&G the ends.  Cedar is rather brittle , so bends very little.  Most people put the ends of the boards on a joist.  We normally leave the boards with rough cut ends, as most customers will trim them anyway.  Cedar boards have a lot of character.  Some customers will leave the knot holes and love them, others will trim them out.  We send extra lumber.  We do our best to grade according to the customers expectations and specifications.  Some are picky, some love the extra character.  We price accordingly.
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Re: Spiral heads
« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2015, 10:28:57 AM »
Not sure anyone pointed this out, it is my belief that Byrd is one of the pioneers, "Woodmizer" of spiral inserts.  Now that they are common practice, Byrd is sold as a reputable brand, like a Baldor motor, but isn't that different from other heads. Either way, they are expensive as hell!

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Re: Spiral heads
« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2015, 11:41:27 AM »
I'm not sure who was the first with the concept of an spiral inserted tooth head but it wasn't Byrd.  Oliver had there ITCH head years before and actually may still be the leader.  The inserts can be re-sharpened in place with a diamond wheel which completely eliminates the faint lines common on todays insert heads.

Byrd does have one feature that separates them from the rest on the market.  The inserts have a shearing cut.  I'm not sure this is a big advantage in use, but it certainly is a selling point.  BTW the Oliver ITCH also had a shearing cut.

It would not surprise me if others had insert heads even earlier.

I will agree that they are expensive but worth the price.
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« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2015, 09:17:25 PM »
I prefer the inserts to contact the wood straight on .The one I put in my jointer is set up that way and it does a good job with no lines.  The byrd that I put in my planer leaves the faint lines in the wood and pronounced lines in knots and the wood surrounding the knots.  It adds sanding time to the job . I hate sanding.
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Re: Spiral heads
« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2015, 07:08:03 AM »
I believe as the cutters dull down, those faint lines start appearing. 
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« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2015, 10:21:47 AM »
When my Byrd was new I got those faint lines.  I never investigated or tried to correct as they were so light that one swipe with fine sandpaper would erase them.  The first time I turned the inserts I pulled them all (after marking the used edge).  Washed the head with lacquer thinner and scrubbed with a brass brush.  Blew it out with compressed air.  Re-installed the inserts and presto....no more lines.

Based on that experience I think there may have been a chip or two of metal under an insert when it was assembled.
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Re: Spiral heads
« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2015, 08:58:14 PM »
Larry, I haven't seen any lines in the lumber that I have ran thru my Byrd heads on jointer or planer. I did check all the screws that hold the carbide cutters and found that they were not all tightened equally. I checked everyone and tightened as needed. This may be a problem with leaving lines if they aren't all tightened the same also. bg

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« Reply #30 on: February 24, 2015, 05:59:03 AM »
local wood workers shop has the jet 20", 5hp with the spiral head on sale with 15% off. I kind of wanted a woodmaster but just might go that way. Now to just off my wallet. Also going to get a router table, is the router lift worth the extra money?
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Re: Spiral heads
« Reply #31 on: February 28, 2015, 11:40:47 PM »
I'm thinking of getting a spiral head for my woodmaster with carbides, but I'm nervous of how long they will last. It's pretty common for me to be planing lumber with some grit on it, nothing I can do to avoid it. It's not uncommon for my straight blades to start leaving lines after less than a 1'000 feet, thier cheap to get sharpened, but most of the time I have to just put up with nasty lines and try to sand them out.

Will the spiral carbide stand up to a little grit or will I be wasting my money?
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« Reply #32 on: March 01, 2015, 10:51:53 AM »
E/M I can't say for sure how much longer a carbide cutter will last over a high speed steel blade. But I would think it will last at least 3 to 4 times longer. You can change the dull ones as needed without doing all that blade setup every time. It only takes a few minutes to rotate or change a cutter. That alone would be a big time saver. bg

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« Reply #33 on: March 01, 2015, 11:47:07 AM »
I'm thinking of getting a spiral head for my woodmaster with carbides, but I'm nervous of how long they will last. It's pretty common for me to be planing lumber with some grit on it, nothing I can do to avoid it. It's not uncommon for my straight blades to start leaving lines after less than a 1'000 feet, thier cheap to get sharpened, but most of the time I have to just put up with nasty lines and try to sand them out.

Will the spiral carbide stand up to a little grit or will I be wasting my money?
I just made a bunch of glue ups for maple tops and the inserts on my jointer head stood up to the hardened glue with no problem while the steel blades on my planer got small nicks in a short time. I think the carbide inserts will take 10 times the abuse of steel blades. :)
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« Reply #34 on: March 01, 2015, 03:00:25 PM »
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« Reply #35 on: March 01, 2015, 03:38:11 PM »
Takes me a good hr to rotate the cutters on my 20" bridgewood, 128 cutters,
I clean the head well to be certain no stuff is under when rotating.
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« Reply #36 on: March 06, 2015, 05:22:39 AM »
The sale on the 20" jet planer with the spiral head ends Monday. The reviews I see are mostly good on the machine. But most are about 4 years back with one newer one being not so good. Anyone here got one and can tell me how it does? I think most what I hear is about the motors, probably China made.
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Re: Spiral heads
« Reply #37 on: March 06, 2015, 07:02:22 AM »
Most all the new planers are all made in the same factories in China. 
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« Reply #38 on: March 06, 2015, 05:59:13 PM »
After looking for over a year I went ahead and order one today so now I guess I will give the reviews. Thanks for all the advise I got here.
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