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Title: Looking to get info and some knolage on c4 tree farmers.
Post by: logman81 on October 17, 2017, 05:15:11 PM
Hey so I'm skidder shopping and would like to know about the  c4 tree farmers. A local guy down the road from me has a tree farmer c4 that he is considering selling. It has a gas engine, four like new forestry tires and a spare gas engine to go with it. Says it doesn't have brakes but it is a really clean skidder. So are they underpowered with the gas motor? What kind of brakes did they have? I'm not sure what winch but it's not a gearmatic that I know for sure. So any knolage would be good and thanks.
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Post by: logman81 on October 18, 2017, 07:50:22 PM
Can you still get parts for them? Are the gas  motors good?
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Post by: bushmechanic on October 18, 2017, 08:55:29 PM
Nothing wrong with a C4 Treefarmer. I'm currently making one into a forwarder. I also recently purchased a C3 Treefarmer, it has a 172 Ford diesel in it. Never saw one with a gas engine in it but I'm sure it will still do the job. I converted a Timberjack 201 to a 250 chevy engine about ten years ago and it works fine, just dosen't have the torque of a diesel. The brakes are a type of band brake, not sure how good they work but any trouble and I will convert to a disk system. They are a component machine just like the old timberjacks.
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Post by: logman81 on October 18, 2017, 08:59:28 PM
Ok this has a Ford gas engine. But your probably right it could still do the job.
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Post by: bushmechanic on October 18, 2017, 09:10:44 PM
Same engine as the 172 diesel only it is a gasser. The Ford farm tractors came with them in either the gas or diesel versions. You can still get whatever parts you need. Whatever happened to that small skidder you were doing the engine for?
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Post by: sweetjetskier on October 18, 2017, 09:15:38 PM
That skidder from the Spring you were working on looked like it was well on its way to haul logs for years to come with all the work done to it ?

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Post by: logman81 on October 18, 2017, 09:18:52 PM
Ok great that's good news, I sold it unfinished to a guy in ct that was going to finish it and pull firewood with it. This skidder doesn't have the gearmatic it has a different one maybe a Tulsa or Braden I'm not sure.
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Post by: leeroyjd on October 19, 2017, 05:55:29 AM
How much will it cost to run a gas engine? That would be a big concern.
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Post by: logman81 on October 19, 2017, 07:37:16 AM
I figure about $20 on average a day for fuel consumption. But I think it would be a advantage come winter being that it will start easy in cold temperatures.
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Post by: logman81 on October 20, 2017, 09:11:42 AM
Where are the fuel tanks supposed to be on these skidders I believe this one has a boat tank strapped on the back?
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Post by: bushmechanic on October 20, 2017, 07:07:50 PM
The fuel tank is in the rear frame usually under the winch, if it has a rear mount winch. The Braden is a good winch just mechanical, in my opinion better than the problematic oops I mean the gearmatic!
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Post by: logman81 on October 21, 2017, 08:02:33 AM
Ok thanks so much bushmechanic you have been a big help so far. I too am not a fan of gearmatic I've had a few of them almost all had some sort of issue. I'm hoping to get together very soon to go look at it and maybe make a deal soon.
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Post by: mike_belben on October 21, 2017, 09:23:15 AM
I run a 1.6L ford gasser powered bobcat 742 that i brought back to life from a basketcase.  Same "7M" crossflow engine that was in the ford cortina and anglias, and formula ford racing series.  I couldnt keep the points alive for more than a few hours due to distributor wear, couldnt source a replacement, couldnt get a bushing kit or anyone to rebuild it.  Believe me i tried.  Finally discovered pertronix for a whole new electronic triggered unit for $300ish (which died in the first month and was warranteed recently) 

It runs every day but is gutless and drinks fuel like crazy, i cant keep the thing off empty.   The 743 is worlds apart and only difference is a kubota.  Id rather light a fire under my diesel in the morning than nurse my gasser all day.
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Post by: logman81 on October 21, 2017, 03:50:07 PM
Sorry for your troubles, not sure it is the same engine though.
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Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on October 21, 2017, 07:57:51 PM
If its a 172ci Gas motor then its the same as used in the 8xx series ford tractors. In a tractor working at PTO speed they burn something like 4+ gallons an hour, the same motor in diesel was right around 3 gallons per hour IIRC.
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Post by: logman81 on October 22, 2017, 09:02:57 AM
It might be same I'm not to sure. But I feel fuel consumption would be a little less for me.
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Post by: chevytaHOE5674 on October 22, 2017, 09:27:59 AM
Those motors were kind of gutless unless you have them wound up. When your winching and skidding I'm sure you will burn equally as much or more fuel than in a much smaller farm tractor.
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Post by: logman81 on October 22, 2017, 10:15:00 AM
I'm not sure on that to be honest I'll have to ask the owner about those things. I'm only going to be skidding pole firewood for the most part and won't be working it to hard.
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Post by: Corley5 on October 22, 2017, 05:16:23 PM
  My experience with gasoline powered farm tractors is that they use more gas doing chores like loader work and moving wagons than on a steady RPM job like running a hay baler, mower, saw mill edger, planer etc.  That's what I've observed with H and M Farmalls as well as a 300, a MF 180 with a Perkins gas and others.
  What happened to the payment plan on the Clark?
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Post by: logman81 on October 22, 2017, 08:08:56 PM
I decided to walk away from that guy wanted to much money and machine needs to many repairs and seemed fishy!
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Post by: logman81 on October 22, 2017, 08:10:29 PM
Were supposed to get together tomorrow to look at the c4 and if it's what I want mite make a deal.
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Post by: 47sawdust on October 22, 2017, 09:09:09 PM
Been looking at your old posts,just how many skidders have you looked at and bought or not?You should be well versed enough in old iron to do a book. :P :P :P
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Post by: logman81 on October 23, 2017, 07:30:28 AM
I've owned a few some I bought to fix and resell others I've bought and used for awhile. But it's good to know from others about a specific brand or model. Helps me to know about potential problems with them. This skidder was talked about briefly awhile back on here by another member here in ri.
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Post by: logman81 on October 23, 2017, 03:39:09 PM
Well I finally got to check out the skidder, I was actually pretty surprised of the shape it was in. It was in pretty good shape for a old skidder. No major leaks, good forestry special tires. Braden winch works but was a little hard to free spool out probably do to a little surface rust on the drum. Blade and steering pins tight, center had a little play but not bad at all, cradle pins tight and engine fired right up with no abnormal noise or smoke and seemed healthy. Only thing that didn't work was the service brakes probably because they had hydraulic oil on them. Overall didn't find anything that would steer me away.
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Post by: logman81 on October 23, 2017, 04:42:40 PM
Is there a place I can get new brake shoes for it if I buy it?
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Post by: logman81 on October 23, 2017, 07:42:30 PM
One other thing I noticed was the rear frame seemed to be longer than a normal c4 and I didn't see any after market welding.
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Post by: bushmechanic on October 23, 2017, 07:45:23 PM
Depends on what transfer case is in that machine, either a Rockwell T32 or a Cotta. You should have no trouble getting a set of shoes Aftermarket Parts or Davco will carry them.
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Post by: logman81 on October 24, 2017, 09:01:48 AM
Well that's a plus being able to get the parts to keep her going. Just waiting now to figure out what kind of deal we can make.
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Post by: logman81 on November 06, 2017, 06:53:35 AM
Getting real close to making a deal I sold some stuff so now I have some cash flow to put down on it plus I been busy selling firewood.
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Post by: bushmechanic on November 08, 2017, 08:36:28 PM
Soooo where's our pictures of said machine???
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Post by: logman81 on November 09, 2017, 11:36:18 AM
I'm not in possession yet I've been crazy busy with firewood sales and wood lot estimates. But hopefully by the end of the month at the latest.
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Post by: logman81 on December 25, 2017, 03:13:03 PM
Getting really close to getting the c4 im hoping by the end of this week i can bring it home into the shop and go through it before putting it on a job.
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Post by: bushmechanic on December 25, 2017, 04:57:39 PM
Glad to hear she's getting close, looking forward to pic's.
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Post by: logman81 on December 25, 2017, 07:45:43 PM
Same here i cant upload any pics unfortunately.
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Post by: logman81 on February 02, 2018, 12:39:22 PM
Well finally decided to buy the tree farmer now to shell out the green backs and get it home and into the shop and go through it for its first job. I think i will make out good as it comes with another motor and trans,  both need rebuild but i can have them gone through and fixed so i have replacements should something happen.
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Post by: logman81 on February 02, 2018, 05:08:01 PM
Im excited about working with this machine and going back to work
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Post by: lopet on February 02, 2018, 06:56:08 PM
So is this the gasser or the one with the Ford diesel ? You looked at two different C4s   right?
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Post by: logman81 on February 03, 2018, 06:29:16 AM
This is the older gas powered skidder, the other one sold before i could look at it.
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Post by: logman81 on February 03, 2018, 09:27:10 AM
New machine will arrive today!
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Post by: logman81 on February 03, 2018, 10:32:04 AM
Would anyone possibly have a parts manual for this skidder?
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Post by: bushmechanic on February 04, 2018, 07:10:09 AM
I don't think you will be sorry with that machine. If your not happy with the engine you can always swap it for something else. A 172 Ford diesel will be a direct replacement for the gasser. I would love to have a parts manual for my C4B that I'm building into a forwarder, but it probably wouldn't be much good as there aren't much on it original equipment. :D I have a C3B that I've yet to try out also
(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/20965/KIMG0200.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1500147097)
 
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Post by: Puffergas on February 04, 2018, 07:17:13 AM
Do you have any kind of digital camera or cell phone?
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Post by: logman81 on February 04, 2018, 07:42:19 AM
Wow didn't know they made a c3! Im sure ill be asking lots of questions on it. Its actually still very much a original skidder and its in surprisingly tight shape. One thing i did notice is that it steers very slow. The blade is working as it should with no issues. A guy told me that it has some sort of valve that you can switch to make it less twitchy when at high speed so ill have to look for that after i give it a good degreasing and power wash.  Yes i do have a cell phone but this site will not let me down load pics .
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Post by: bushmechanic on February 04, 2018, 08:30:41 AM
The valve is located on the left side of the machine almost underneath the radiator. It looks like a flow divider to me and I think it was supposed to be controlled from the dash by cable.
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Post by: logman81 on February 04, 2018, 08:47:32 AM
Yup i found it and flipped it the other way im learning lots!
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Post by: mike_belben on February 04, 2018, 09:24:37 AM
If yours is kaput, any adustable flow control will work, plumbed into either the A or B steer port in series, as long as its a 2 way restrictor and not a one way.   

If you were using one ways youd need one in each port.  Id mount in cab where i could reach from seat.
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Post by: Puffergas on February 04, 2018, 12:36:11 PM
I think this is your gallery.

http://forestryforum.com/gallery/index.php?cat=23822

Then click on "upload". Sometimes it is easier for someone to answer a question if there is a photo.
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Post by: logman81 on February 04, 2018, 04:59:54 PM
I found the valve and moved it to the other position.  I haven't got to try it yet i have to replace the boat tank on it first to get the fuel delivery system fixed so i can run it.

And yes that is my gallery. It wont even let me download pics to it, ive tried about everything!
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Post by: logman81 on February 04, 2018, 05:20:25 PM

(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/23822/20180203_124619.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1517782241)
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Post by: logman81 on February 04, 2018, 05:22:06 PM

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Post by: logman81 on February 04, 2018, 05:23:18 PM

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Post by: lopet on February 04, 2018, 06:08:11 PM
Make sure you get that rats nest cleaned out in the belly pan.  :o
Pretty straight forward looking skidder, good luck with it.  :)
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Post by: logman81 on February 04, 2018, 06:33:08 PM
Its going to get a full powerwashing/degreasing!
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Post by: bushmechanic on February 04, 2018, 06:41:59 PM
Ooooooh I see you have the pic problem figured out! That's a good looking machine for the year of it. I guess the G in the model number stands for gas :D I see the cable is still hooked up to that valve is it up in the dash or gone? I think the rear looks longer than normal because the winch is mounted so far ahead on the rear frame. Are the floor boards still in it? If you don't mind I'd like to see a pic of them as on both my Farmer's they are missing and I'd like to make some new ones.
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Post by: Puffergas on February 04, 2018, 07:19:11 PM
That is a nice machine! Thanks for the photos.   ;D
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Post by: logman81 on February 04, 2018, 07:23:35 PM
Your welcome. Its not a standard c4 its a long frame one btw only one ive seen.
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Post by: logman81 on February 05, 2018, 05:18:49 PM
Well guys after putting on a new tank and filter and figuring how to start it, operator error also. I brought it outside to power wash it after i had flipped the lever and yup sure enough that made a huge difference!
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Post by: logman81 on February 05, 2018, 06:16:06 PM
Now on to getting the brakes to work tomorrow. Hopefully i wont need any parts other than the shoes. Does anyone know where i can get them?
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Post by: logman81 on February 05, 2018, 08:11:32 PM

(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/23822/20180205_194409.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1517879309)
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Post by: logman81 on February 05, 2018, 08:12:06 PM

(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/23822/20180205_194448.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1517879079)
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Post by: teakwood on February 06, 2018, 06:46:36 AM
They sure always look like total different machines after being pressure washed!  :D

Nice!
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Post by: 47sawdust on February 06, 2018, 07:01:51 AM
Good on you logman.I hope you and that skidder work well together.Doesn't look like it's been hacked on.
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Post by: logman81 on February 06, 2018, 07:02:14 AM
Yup they sure do!
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Post by: logman81 on February 06, 2018, 07:04:24 AM
No it hasnt been be cobbled together at all one of nicest old skidders ive seen and owned.
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Post by: OntarioAl on February 06, 2018, 10:02:18 AM
Nice find
That  machine has not been abused with a paint job it would look like it just came off the assembly line, which incidentally was located 25 miles from where I reside.
Cheers
Al
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Post by: logman81 on February 06, 2018, 11:37:20 AM
It would be be pretty darn close thats for sure!
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Post by: logman81 on February 06, 2018, 05:51:10 PM

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Post by: logman81 on February 06, 2018, 05:52:48 PM

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Post by: Puffergas on February 06, 2018, 06:42:38 PM
Logman81, you are a lucky man! Now that is some nice iron.   ;D
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Post by: logman81 on February 06, 2018, 08:09:43 PM
Thank you im very eager to get it finished and back to moving wood!
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Post by: logman81 on February 07, 2018, 03:57:07 PM
Put a new seat on it today, welded a new tab on to keep one of the side engine covers on. Started to take apart the winch and i think i figure out how to get it to free spool.
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Post by: logman81 on February 09, 2018, 08:57:38 AM
How do i adjust the free spool on this braden winch?
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Post by: bushmechanic on February 09, 2018, 05:56:53 PM
There should be a nut that you can adjust on the shaft that the snap clutch is attached to. You need to back it off for more freeplay.
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It's the one right next to the pressure plate with the three arms on it. Wait you would have to unscrew it to get the disc's out, have you taken the disc's out and cleaned them up? If it's not free spooling then I would say our friction disc's and plates are dirty and rusty you need to take them out and clean them up. I did mine last summer and the difference is unbelieveable, release the clutch and the chockers hit the ground and you can run with the cable. I'm not sure if the Braden is the same as mine but it should be close.
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Post by: logman81 on February 09, 2018, 07:12:20 PM
Thanks i was able to tap on the nut a little and it free spools now. I didn't bother to take the clutch out cause i couldn't get the nut off. I think i should be ok now but ill know for sure once i try it.
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Post by: logman81 on February 10, 2018, 04:19:42 PM
Took the old girl out of the shop for the first time to test out the functions and push up a firewood pile. Seems all that is left to do is replace a steering cylinder bushing and put new service brake system in.
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Post by: logman81 on February 15, 2018, 07:59:31 PM
Skidder is almost ready to pull wood! Done a ton of work and replaced many parts and made many adjustments. Tomorrow is test and tune day hopefully all goes well and passes the test.
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Post by: mike_belben on February 15, 2018, 08:40:29 PM
Good deal.  Take some pics!
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Post by: logman81 on February 15, 2018, 09:18:22 PM
Will do
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Post by: tantoy on February 15, 2018, 09:38:28 PM
Looking great, keep pictures coming!
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Post by: logman81 on February 21, 2018, 08:16:42 AM
Thank you and will do. Ill give an update later today on what ive been up to on it with pics.
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Post by: logman81 on February 22, 2018, 06:46:54 AM
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Post by: mad murdock on February 22, 2018, 07:43:58 AM
LThat there looks like one icky carburetor! Hopefully the floats arenít corroded through. Clean it up and put an OH kit in it, should run real nice!
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Post by: logman81 on February 22, 2018, 07:58:46 AM
I ordered a brand new carburetor for it, didn't feel this one was worth rebuilding. That wheel spindle has a bad grove worn in it so that had to be sent out to local machine shop to be welded and machined.
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Post by: mike_belben on February 22, 2018, 08:38:16 AM
Thats impressive.  Worst seal groove i have seen.
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Post by: logman81 on February 22, 2018, 10:16:27 AM
Yes indeed!
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Post by: logman81 on March 06, 2018, 09:32:15 AM
Still working on the old girl fixing her up. Trying to get the engine to fireup and run properly.  Changed out the intake/exhaust manifold. New plugs and converting to electronic ignition and getting rid of the points system.  Hopefully should have the wheel spindle back from the machine shop soon. Ill post up some more pics soon of this rebuild lol!
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Post by: mike_belben on March 06, 2018, 09:45:19 PM
If you put on a pertronix or some such magnetic setup, make sure that you never have power going to the coil when the engine isnt spinning.. Like by toggle switches or something.  $300 lesson for me.
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Post by: logman81 on March 07, 2018, 08:20:17 AM
Yup just installed it yesterday, solved the no start and poor running condition. Runs and idles better than when i first got it. Only time it gets power to the coil is when i turn the key on so no worries.
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Post by: mike_belben on March 07, 2018, 11:29:38 AM
Good deal.  

Save your box and rcpt.  If it turds out within a year theyll give you another. 
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Post by: logman81 on March 08, 2018, 06:17:15 AM
Yeah i doubt it will but i save everything and i plan to have spares of of the common stuff for it on my shelf for when something does happen to minimize down time. Machine shop is finishing up on the hub so it wont be long before its back on four wheels!
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Post by: logman81 on March 11, 2018, 07:14:53 PM
Well im happy to say its all back together, i tested it out a little bit today and everything seems to be working as it should. Just need to use the winch a bit more to polish up the clutch to get it to freespool better.  Other than that its ready for the woods!
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Post by: logman81 on March 12, 2018, 04:07:26 PM
Just wanted to say thank you to those of you that help me through the process of getting this old girl back up and running. Got some snow coming so after its melted its heading to its first job of 400+ acres of pine and hardwoods.
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Post by: bushmechanic on March 12, 2018, 08:17:07 PM
Good luck with the machine and your job! 8)
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Post by: leeroyjd on March 12, 2018, 08:52:54 PM
400+ acres? 
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Post by: logman81 on March 13, 2018, 04:40:08 AM
Thank you bushmechanic, and yes ill be cutting sections on a 400+ acre farm hasnt been cut in over 80 years.
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Post by: David-L on March 13, 2018, 07:27:48 AM
I ordered a brand new carburetor for it, didn't feel this one was worth rebuilding. That wheel spindle has a bad grove worn in it so that had to be sent out to local machine shop to be welded and machined.
Here it comes Dave, 20" of white stuff. Better chain the old gal up. Nice Work.
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Post by: logman81 on March 13, 2018, 08:11:01 AM
No chains for this old girl shes got a good set of forestry specials. I was told not to run chains cause the planitaries on them dont like that much. Ill wait till the snows melted before i move it to the job.  Shes going to sit nice and warm in my shop till then.
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Post by: logman81 on March 15, 2018, 01:55:45 PM
(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/23822/20180315_131414.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1521136316)
So here is the proof its ready for the woods! Only thing that im not 100% happy with is the freespooling on the winch still a bit tough but i think its getting better the more i use it. Hopefully putting it on job next week.
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Post by: bushmechanic on March 15, 2018, 05:24:10 PM
Oh boy that looks some good! You should listen to the old bushmechanic and take it apart and clean up those discs and you will be impressed with how good it can work. If it's going to set for another week then what's another day to fix it right? Like I said When I release mine now the chockers will hit the ground and I sometimes have to reapply the lever to keep from letting too much cable off too quick.  
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Post by: logman81 on March 16, 2018, 10:21:19 AM
Thanks i tried to get it apart but couldn't but managed to free it up alot. It seems to be getting better the more i use it. I figure by hooking on to a tree and going forward and dragging the brake a little it will clean it up and make it better.
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Post by: logman81 on April 01, 2018, 07:16:51 PM
She'll be heading to the woods soon just waiting on the trucker to fix his truck!
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Post by: logman81 on April 08, 2018, 06:12:20 PM
Heading to start its first job tomorrow (http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/23822/20180405_160511.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1523225346)
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Post by: 47sawdust on April 08, 2018, 06:56:59 PM
Sweet sight
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Post by: logman81 on April 08, 2018, 09:40:50 PM
Thanks will be better when there is wood on the landing.
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Post by: nativewolf on April 09, 2018, 09:38:28 AM
She'll be heading to the woods soon just waiting on the trucker to fix his truck!
But it is RI?  Can't you road it to the other side?
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Post by: logman81 on April 09, 2018, 04:58:58 PM
Haha that would be long ride not to mention alot of angry motorist.  I managed to work most of the day and got some wood out till the left front planitary decided to bind up! Not sure what happened but ill dig into it tomorrow, not going to enjoy doing it in the woods ugh!
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Post by: logman81 on April 10, 2018, 07:18:20 PM
New planitary on the way be at my door step tomorrow.
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Post by: bushmechanic on April 11, 2018, 05:02:58 AM
Sucks you had trouble right away but was logging any different than that? ::)
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Post by: logman81 on April 11, 2018, 06:51:28 AM
(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/23822/20180410_120538.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1523443586)
(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/23822/20180410_120556.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1523443610)
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Post by: teakwood on April 11, 2018, 07:27:33 AM
Sad to see such pictures. 
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Post by: logman81 on April 11, 2018, 03:27:26 PM
Its all fixed and back in business!
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Post by: bushmechanic on April 11, 2018, 07:55:42 PM
That was an updated planetary already on that machine. I doubt that the original had the plate and spacers, those were found on the Timberjack 208's. Good that you got her going again! 
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Post by: logman81 on April 11, 2018, 08:03:47 PM
Yup it got replaced with the older design but thats ok. Id love to have a tj 208 but i hate listning to the Detroit.
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Post by: mike_belben on April 11, 2018, 09:46:30 PM
That was not a happy camper.
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Post by: logman81 on April 12, 2018, 01:25:57 PM
No it sure wasn't ive never broke one in any of the skidders ive owned. Not sure how it happened i was being very easy on it and using it well within its limits.
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Post by: logman81 on April 13, 2018, 01:20:20 PM
Back at it pulling some good size pine.(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/23822/20180413_105810.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1523639828)
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Post by: mike_belben on April 13, 2018, 04:47:04 PM
Get some!
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Post by: logman81 on April 13, 2018, 05:30:19 PM
Plenty to get! Those are the smaller ones!
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Post by: 47sawdust on April 13, 2018, 06:55:33 PM
Logman,
 Are you cutting pine with blister rust?That one log  is almost debarked.
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Post by: Logger RK on April 13, 2018, 08:11:28 PM
It does hurt to feel the hubs after pulling some with it. If there's a warm one it's usually worth taking it apart to see what the problem is. Usually less damage if you catch it sooner 
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Post by: thecfarm on April 13, 2018, 09:02:12 PM
Yea,what are you doing with that stuff. ???
Looks like wood I haul out for my OWB. The sap wood is all gray like mine too. I chased down many trees like that on my land. One reason why I bought the OWB. I need something to burn dead wood in. I have my eye on a few more that are not going to live.
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Post by: logman81 on April 15, 2018, 09:02:03 AM
This wood was felled by the landower over a year ago as a select cut. I have four different sorts, tree length firewood, pine pulp, and saw logs and some freshly cut oak saw logs. I dont have a place yet to sell the blue stained logs im thinking its going to be tough. The pulp place has a max of 20" so anything bigger has to go somewhere else.
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Post by: 47sawdust on April 15, 2018, 10:11:29 AM
Yeah,you need a special market for blue stained and maybe wormy pine.The pine borers make quite a racket when they get going,probably won't hear them over the sound of the skidder,tho.
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Post by: thecfarm on April 15, 2018, 10:18:27 AM
That wood behind the skidder is all quiet now. Those bores have come and gone. Too bad that guy did all the felling. I have no idea how much is on the ground,but that cost him some money. ???
I'm sure no expert,but that looks like more than a year to me. I know,you are going by what he told you. My pine is worth more than hardwood to me.
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Post by: logman81 on April 15, 2018, 10:50:39 AM
Yes not going to be easy to find a buyer for the blued saw logs. I totally agree the smart thing would of been to hire me to do the entire job start to finish. I also agree he lost alot of money by doing it like that. This job is 20 acres of 400 available. I estimate about 10,000bft maybe a little less of the blue stained logs 20 or so cords of firewood and about 4 to 5 tri axle loads of pine pulp.
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Post by: 47sawdust on April 15, 2018, 11:18:07 AM
logman,I've sawn quite a bit of pine that was not fresh,most all for personal use.Yes it was blue and yes there were worm holes but mostly in the jacket boards.You could try CL,someone like myself in your area might be able to make something out of them.Good luck,it's time you caught a good break.
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Post by: chep on April 15, 2018, 01:20:25 PM
Is he paying you to do this? I hope so!
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Post by: logman81 on April 15, 2018, 06:04:28 PM
Unfortunately no he is not im buying the tree length in good faith that i have a steady job on his 400+ acres.
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Post by: Outlaw on April 15, 2018, 08:40:19 PM
New to the forum, like to say hello!! I was curious if you had pic of the brake band that you put in. I just got my brake and refurbished and there was no back tab on it. Had a new one made but have no idea how it originally was in stalled.
(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/49610/1523837392007105347377845070261.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1523837375)
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Post by: logman81 on April 15, 2018, 09:42:59 PM
Should look like this(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/23822/20180206_153306.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1523842848)
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Post by: Outlaw on April 15, 2018, 10:02:43 PM
Did you have the tab on back? My guess is mine never had one on it, my band was skinny on on side and brand new on the other.  I bought it used and looks like there should be a bolt in the back to hold it center. Thanks for the reply!!! Thought I was the only one to ever own a c4 till I found this forum!!!
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Post by: Outlaw on April 15, 2018, 10:15:58 PM
A little back round. I was skidding a load of logs out and the motor died like right now. The bracket that holds the sand on snapped.  My guess is there was nothing  to hold the band center on the back of the band and when it caught nothing good happened.  
(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/49610/20180327_133334.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1523844792)
 
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Post by: Outlaw on April 15, 2018, 10:16:59 PM
That's tthe pic of my fix, hope it will hold!!
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Post by: logman81 on April 16, 2018, 07:38:24 AM
Thier should be slotted bolt on the back side to hold the band center. It is slotted because it is supposed to be safty wired to prevent it from backing out. Your repair should hold up as lond as your weld is good. I completely rebuilt my whole brake system and it works for me.
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Post by: Outlaw on April 16, 2018, 08:13:26 AM
Thanks for the info!
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Post by: logman81 on April 16, 2018, 08:26:47 AM
Any time glad i could help.
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Post by: JustinW_NZ on April 18, 2018, 03:44:22 AM
New planitary on the way be at my door step tomorrow.
Can I ask where you got it from?
My I can show a very similar picture with busted planatry bits everywhere :(

Good to  see another c4 out and about!
Mines gathering dust currently sadly..
(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/29851/20161111_162223.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1478852891)

(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/29851/20140325_185833_Android.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1395735331)
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Post by: Riwaka on April 18, 2018, 05:24:53 AM
Probably try one of the NA forestry machine parts suppliers. Measure all the dimensions to match up what they might have.
e.g Timberparts  Timberparts, used forestry equipment parts and components specialists (http://www.timberparts.com)

A local gear cutter could probably remake the gears necessary. 


Title: Re: Looking to get info and some knolage on c4 tree farmers.
Post by: logman81 on April 18, 2018, 05:43:48 AM
I got it slightly used from a guy that works on forestry equipment. Harolds in maine has them but super expensive. And the old c4 is doing what its meant to do.
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Post by: mike_belben on April 18, 2018, 08:55:52 AM
I always did hope an old broach and hobb would cross my path at the scrap yard but it never did happen. 
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Post by: logman81 on April 19, 2018, 11:39:10 AM
Ok somtimes you get lucky
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Post by: jason.weir on April 19, 2018, 12:38:14 PM
Anyone ever tried someone like Boston Gear (Speed Reducer, Gear Drive, Variable Speed Drives | Boston Gear (http://www.bostongear.com/))?  They have a huge selection & I wonder if the gears might be standard off the shelf items. 

If you can get the gears reasonable enough, relatively inexpensive bearings, seals & machine work will take care of the rest.
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Post by: logman81 on April 28, 2018, 09:03:55 AM
Never tried i seem to have no trouble finding parts for it. I do need to find a new output seal for the pto on the Braden winch.
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Post by: logman81 on June 01, 2018, 01:40:11 PM
Haven't posted in a little bit but here is a few pics of the fun repairs i have been doing while working on this job.
(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/23822/20180410_120538~0.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1527874390)


(http://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/23822/20180530_132914.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1527874416)
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Post by: mike_belben on June 01, 2018, 10:01:14 PM
No easy money in logging i reckon. 
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Post by: bushmechanic on June 02, 2018, 06:05:47 AM
My goodness you lost two planetaries already? Well now that certainly took the cream off that machine I bet! At least you now know what's going back into it.
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Post by: logman81 on June 02, 2018, 05:03:49 PM
I broke one planitary and one spindle, the other side was a wheel seal. But yes all new parts and alot of love. Still cheaper than a new machine payment and they dont make them this small anymore. Sooner or later everything will be new and have no issues and ill have a nice vintage skidder to log with.
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Post by: Grappletractor on September 11, 2021, 08:31:00 AM
any updates on the old c4 ?
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Post by: logman81 on September 17, 2021, 11:11:05 AM
Sold it a year ago to a guy in PA it's now back up for sale there at one of the equipment sales places. 
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Post by: logman81 on September 17, 2021, 09:01:00 PM
if someone here were to buy it they would be getting a pretty solid old c4 I put alot of money into making it nice.