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TimberKing SawMill Question
« on: January 23, 2018, 07:06:33 AM »
I have actually done a search on this topic, and was not able to see it as a previous question, if it is one, then I pre apologize.
Does anyone know why TimbeKing switched from Kohler engines to the Brigs and Stratton Vanguard series of engines, and when did they make the switch.
During my research of trying to find my first mill, I keep coming back to the TimberKing 1220 or the TimberKing 1400, I wont be ordering a Mill until this spring, so I have spent a great deal of time looking and researching.
Anyhow, first post on this forum, any experience with the Vanguard series of engines you guys and gals may have would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
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Re: TimberKing SawMill Question
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2018, 07:59:30 AM »
Welcome to the Forestry Forum.  I can't tell you the reasons behind the change.  I have been running a 1220 for a little over a year and the Briggs has performed flawlessly.  It starts right up in cold weather and has adequate power for a manual mill.  I mostly only saw for myself, so don't run it full time every day as a pro, but have a few thousand bf under my belt and have been extremely satisfied with the performance of the 1220.
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« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2018, 08:07:41 AM »
Most direct method would be to call Timberking.I had a 20hp Vanguard on my old mill,Kasco, and it was great.
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Re: TimberKing SawMill Question
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2018, 09:32:22 AM »
Great question!

We've used Kohler engines for many years and have been super happy with the engines themselves and with the fact they are (mostly) made in USA. We still use Kohler engines on our 1600 and 2000 models. (2200 and 2500 come with Kubotas.)

A few years back Kohler informed us that production on the engine we were using on the 1220 was going to be moved to China. We were not happy with that for any number of reasons. We were unable to find a US-made option in that horse-power range so we went with the Vanguard series. These engines are made in Japan. We've been using them for several years now and have had zero problems that I can think of.

In the case of the 1400 we were facing cost challenges in complying with EPA evaporative emissions standards. These regulations require extremely expensive fuel tanks, lines and filters which were tipping the balance on the cost of the 1400. The Vanguard engines have an integral fuel tank, which eliminates all of this additional equipment and yep, I won't lie to you, cost. We've been using these engines on the 1400s for at least a couple of years now with, again, zero problems that I can think of.

I think everyone knows that Briggs did a lot of damage to their name in past years by selling a lot of poorly-made engines. With the Vanguard series they set out to correct their course and, in our experience, they have very much succeeded. They are, quite simply, great engines.

All of that said, we can always put a Kohler engine on a 1400 for you (or a 1220 for that matter) but there will be an additional cost associated with the EPA-compliant fuel system.

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Re: TimberKing SawMill Question
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2018, 09:39:24 AM »
For a while Kohler engines was having big problems with plastic timing gears.
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Re: TimberKing SawMill Question
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2018, 11:24:24 AM »
Sounds like TK made a wise decision.  Outstanding that Will took the time to put an answer explaining the reasons for the change on the forum.  A standup company.

I bought a new Kasco sawmill in 1994 that came with a 16 HP Vanguard.  It was still running perfect with zero problems when I bought a TK 2000 in 2010.  I would not hesitate buying a mill with the Vanguard.

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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2018, 04:00:17 PM »

 Good for you Will staying away from a China engine.  I bought a 6 hp Kohler that was made in China, didn't last near as long as the original Briggs motor.  Shame on Kohler for going to China to make money right now until their reputation is shot. It took Kohler a lot of years to build up a good name and it will take the so called management only a short time to ruin it.  Steve
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Re: TimberKing SawMill Question
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2018, 04:30:28 PM »
I have been doing a lot of research and had found some very good reviews on the Vanguard, I was curious and what an awesome answer Mr. Johnson, I knew with the TimberKing having such a good reputation, there would be a logical answer.
Thank you to each and everyone of you who have had some input and took the time to help me understand.
Thanks again,
Dale

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Re: TimberKing SawMill Question
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2018, 06:26:24 PM »
Briggs engines are made in USA, Australia, Brazil, Canada, China, Mexico, and the Netherlands.

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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2018, 10:00:56 PM »
The Chinese are capable of manufacturing a quality product. They will manufacture to the standards set to them.
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Re: TimberKing SawMill Question
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2018, 01:53:28 AM »
As far as I know briggs has always made a quality product, they made some cheap junk too for the folks that wanted cheap.
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« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2018, 05:28:51 AM »
The Chinese are capable of manufacturing a quality product. They will manufacture to the standards set to them.

 Sure China is capable of making a quality product and they are getting better, but these company's with that went there to make more money really don't care about quality anymore .  Hats off to TK for spending a few more $  for a better motor.  Steve
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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2018, 06:28:35 AM »
Sure China is capable of making a quality product and they are getting better, but these company's with that went there to make more money really don't care about quality anymore .  Hats off to TK for spending a few more $  for a better motor.  Steve

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Re: TimberKing SawMill Question
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2018, 12:38:26 PM »
I own and use a TK1220, excellent machine.  Mine was built about 2010 with a Kohler Engine and is 100% reliable. 
I am very certain that TK will be able to provide the same quality of service with the newer engine. 
The sooner you buy your TK1220, the sooner you can start to have fun!!!!!!!!!
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