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Re: Swingblade question
« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2006, 02:09:54 AM »
Just set a stop up on the mill so that it will only go as far down as the dogs, but so that you dont hit them.

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Re: Swingblade question
« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2006, 02:16:58 AM »
Been very busy in the R&D side of Dogs lately to address the obvious problem of hitting steel dogs with your swingblade mill.  

Even though it's easy to set up your rig not to hit log dogs, the potential for someone to slip up is always there for loosing your tips, and possibly your blade. What's worse if that comes apart- SERIOUS injury can result.

I've come up with a solution.

My new GripperDogs will be shipping soon, and everyone who has purchased the old GripperDogs will get a replacement set. I will be posting full details with pictures, and as always anyone that's not happy with the new dogs can get a full refund, but these new dogs are blade friendly, and fully (plus cheaply) rebuildable if you cut into them.

I'm very excited about the new dogs, and will be posting pics showing the versatility of them, with all the possible set ups. THe new GripperDogs will make dogging and sawing large and small logs and odd-shaped logs a breeze, along with your choice of working height, cutting on a taper with Peterson mills, etc., etc. ...... smiley_beertoast
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Re: Swingblade question
« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2006, 02:59:12 AM »
Sounds cool JP,

I'd be interested in having a look at those doggys. Steel has always been my sticking point toward the design of log dogs, our swingers are used in most jobs, off site (uneven ground), this means the bearers are ussually +- 50mm uneven to the tracks, therefore restrictive lowering stoppers doe not work in every circumstance. As a manufacturer to rely on the customer to reset this stopper for variating jobs is a little risky.

Our (small log) log dogs get installed under the wooden bearer where the blade must strike the bearer before any steel. I like the simplicity of your little suckers, where they simply slip over your bearer without having to knotch. I also like the way they can be used such as lego building blocks to build up a sturdy log deck base.

I think your onto something with the composite material, keep to it.

Cheers, Jake.
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Re: Swingblade question
« Reply #23 on: April 05, 2006, 03:45:53 AM »
Thanks Jake, I appreciate the compliment and encouragement.. 8)

The reason I developed GripperDogs is to make swingers more complete, as I believe the swingblade mill is the most versatile and complete "all purpose" portable sawmill manufactured when combined with log dogs for making accurate cuts in small and odd-shaped logs.

Everyone knows that for large logs swing mills are king, and small logs of course had been band blade mill territory. But now there is no limit to the size of logs you can easily mill with a swinger.  The thinner (band blade) kerf has really no benefit to cutting posts and beams out of small logs neither IMO.

Be in touch soon...   :)
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Re: Swingblade question
« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2006, 02:06:26 PM »

Walla...

New Generation II GripperDog Log Dogs... 8) 8) :) 8) :) 8) 8)








That log is a dry Douglas Fir, that is 6 feet long, 6"
diameter on one end, and 5" diameter on the other.

The skids are 4"x 6" for a total of 12" high and it is ROCK solid. No back and forward movement, and no side to side.  THESE DOGS ARE SOLID!!!

The log has spacer blocks under it so it leaves a 1" slab.  This is how you get
your beam out of a small log with my dogs.

The composite inserts are replaceable, and will be between 5-$10 shipped, if you were to cut into them several times and need replacement.

As you can see, this system can be set up numerous ways, any working height, for any shape of log. Dog multiple logs. The dogs are easy to use, fast on and fast off, and blade safe... 8)
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Re: Swingblade question
« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2006, 07:02:26 PM »
Bring 'em on
Can't wait till they arrive 8)
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Re: Swingblade question
« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2006, 10:21:44 PM »
Looks good to me !! Bring them on !
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Re: Swingblade question
« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2006, 01:27:04 PM »
How did I miss this post :o
I couldn't have been busy working ;)

I agree with Horselogger, that you can easily set up with out hitting them. I mark my vertical winch supports with a wax lumber marker at each new setup site, so that if I see this bright line when winching down, DO NOT CUT. I also agree with everyone else, that I am still always worried about hitting metal. JP's old dogs worked real good and he knows I was a big fan of them. :)  I won't lie, I always feel a bit uneasy near the bottom of the log, even though I know I took every precaution. I just do not like the feeling of my blade spinning near these hunks of steel. I think the new dogs will ease everyone in this department. Good dogs that work and are made of a blade safe material are going to open a whole new world to swingers, small logs. If you notice where most of the swingers are at, it seems to be in areas where  logs are big. Here in the US most guys on this board that have a swing mill, live in areas of the west and the southeast. Lots of big trees, but lots of small ones grow through out the middle of these stands. We sure could use some tools that could help us utilize the small trees. Thanks to JP, I think that Swing Mills may become a more complete system. smiley_thumbsup

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Re: Swingblade question
« Reply #28 on: April 09, 2006, 01:54:18 PM »

 Don't overlook them 24" dia. limbs, either.  ::) ::) ;D ;D :D :D
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Re: Swingblade question
« Reply #29 on: April 09, 2006, 02:18:16 PM »
I do a lot more metal than wood. (probably a million times more), so I know what happens when a saw hits steel. However, what about aluminum? Will it stand up to the uses of a dog? I have cut aluminum with a carbide tipped sawblade, so it shouldn't hurt the blade.
    Anyone ever try that?

  I agree that some of the new composits and plastics might be better, but aren't as easily available to the homeshop type person.
    Just wondering...
   David from jax

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Re: Swingblade question
« Reply #30 on: April 10, 2006, 09:05:47 AM »
I'm a do-it-yourself kind of guy, but sometimes it pays buying a quality tool. 

When you consider how much we spend on our sawmills, the potential income that they can produce, and how much more productive the dogs will make your equipment, they are a very good investment.

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Re: Swingblade question
« Reply #31 on: April 11, 2006, 07:28:44 AM »
JP can you produce anyting with this dog?  If so I'll give him to you





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Re: Swingblade question
« Reply #32 on: April 11, 2006, 09:24:10 AM »
They say you tell the owner by the looks of his dog..  :D

What's that green stuff?...

-but what in heeck is that rusty box Dick?..  ;D ??? :D
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« Reply #33 on: April 12, 2006, 06:43:03 PM »
I know the answers to those questions, JP.
   All that green stuff is the weeds he has that his wonderful wife keeps mowed.
  That rusty box is a barbeque grill, built right on the premises, by the renowned Highpockets himself. Probably be a collector's item when he is gone. There are a few of them around, but usually in bad shape, because they are used so much, and he used cheap paint when he built them.
   David from jax
   

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« Reply #34 on: April 12, 2006, 08:42:27 PM »
Just thought I would post a picture and a success story....

I finished up a job today for 1000bf of syp 2x6's. I actually produced over 1500bf of 2x6's total after everything was tallied up, but the customer will get his 1000bf and I will keep 500 bf.

Behind me in the picture you can see the log bunks made of  6x6's with a 5" notch in them. Most of the pine logs I did this job with were in the range of 14 to 18" logs and the square notches worked out really good for me. I can load the log onto the bunks on the outside of the rails, and then they roll pretty easy into position. I only had one log roll over on it's side, and that was totally my fault because I wasnt paying attention to what I was doing and cut too much from the left side of the log. Otherwise, it was a stress free job with no log movement while sawing!

This is a picture of yesterday's sawing, and the pile was almost twice this big by this afternoon.

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Re: Swingblade question
« Reply #35 on: April 13, 2006, 12:28:53 AM »
Ken,
I'm guessing you were you working by yourself, by where the lumber is stacked.
Did you do some trading or did you just get to keep the 500 on top of the bill? That is usually the size log I have had problems with myself rolling over, especially when cuting 8" on the vertical pass.

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« Reply #36 on: April 13, 2006, 10:28:01 PM »
I actually cut 1000 bf for the customer, but I'm picky about the lumber I sell. I wanted it all to be virtually perfect, so if a board came off the mill with wane in it, I sae that board on the stack for me. Good lumber without wane went to him. I'll either use the lumber for myself with the small bits of wane in it, or cut the wane out of the boards and sell them for shorter stuff later. I guess I shouldnt be so picky, but I take pride in what I do and I want repeat business.

I also cut a bunch ofg 1x boards while I was cutting. The customer wanted all 2x6's, so If I couldnt get a full 2x6 but could get a 1x6 out of the log, I made the 1x6 and I'll keep it and sell it to another customer later.

The money was good for this job. I got box store prices for it, and sold it green ;D I was working alone for the most part, and that is why you see the stack of lumber right behind the mill. The wife comes out to help occasionally and that tends to speed up production. If I had nice big logs and 2 teens to offbear, I could really turn out some big production numbers with this Peterson Mill.
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Re: Swingblade question
« Reply #37 on: July 31, 2022, 09:11:34 PM »
Gripper dogs 2.0? Still a thing? Curious as to any log dogging tricks for swingblade mills out there that have developed since this thread happened 15 years ago  8)


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