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Author Topic: Looking for advice for Tree Wedges for Tree Cutting Falling, Bucking, Felling  (Read 1773 times)

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I need a little advice on what Tree Wedges i need, having just delt with small trees i have not used wedges, and a few time even small trees can be very dangerous when your not in control as to where they are going to fall.
There are many sizes and angles of wedges, then i see them being stacked on top of each other.

You watch the videos and see them being used, but i have no idea what type and size they really are.

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Don't overthink this...

Just buy some wedges of various sizes.  Most are the same pitch, you're only buying various widths.  You can never anticipate all what you may need, so just get an assortment. 

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Don't overthink this...

Just buy some wedges of various sizes.  Most are the same pitch, you're only buying various widths.  You can never anticipate all what you may need, so just get an assortment.

Cold Creek Loggers 3 5.5 inch and 3 8 inch $29
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Found these at Amazon what do you think about them?

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i have bought stihl, and some from cheap sources.  I have 8 or 10.  I have some at the mill in case a nail or something stops a blade and I have to back it out. can make your own with some dense hardwood.  they should work.  occasionally you may want to stack two.  not sure about the spikes.  I have both orange and yellow.
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8" and 10" plastic are the most popular here, keep extras handy because you will break or lose them. Bright colours also help. Forget the smooth ones or dimple them with the wife's iron, otherwise they will spit out.
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Depends what you learned on. Generally you can stack double taper wedges but not triple taper wedges.

There are traditional wedges and 'gimmick' wedges. I use traditional wedges like Double Taper and K&H. Never had any trouble with those brands being smooth and splitting out. In fact, as they get old, nicked and worn....you can take a grinder and reshape them for more wear & tear. Just don't leave the grinder in one spot while grinding.

You have to size the wedge length for the trees you're cutting. It doesn't work to drive an 8" or 10" wedge into a tree if it hits the hinge wood before it's useful....should never hit the hinge wood, so size your wedges for the diameter trees you cut.

Some people like textured wedges, I like smooth for the most part but the K&H I use have some texture.....matter of preference there. But then you get into 'gimmick' wedges with bumps and rifling etc. Madsen's sells a gimmick wedge called Black Bear Rifled faller's wedges. They look OK....even interesting.

Madsen's has a pretty good explanation of degrees of lift and why..........

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If you need to change a trees mind, but not bad enough to need to pull it, the kind of wedges that have grooves that keep them aligned on top of each other are good to have.  I use a 6 lb. sledge hammer when I need to use those.  Mechanical advantage goes with the slope of the wedge, so when you stack those, the mechanical advantage goes down, and a 3-1/2 pound axe is a little light.

I dropped a 16" Red Oak a couple of weeks ago, that was leaning towards the lake, using those wedges.  It wasn't leaning really badly, but it was obvious which way it wanted to go by looking at it.

edited to add:   I've had them so long, that I forgot what they were called.  Google found them:  Black Bear Rifled.   I don't use them often, but am glad I have them.

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I've lost track of how many plastic wedges I've ruined by driving them with an axe .My aim is not so good .I use a 4 pound dead blow hammer any more ,big orange thing .Years ago I used steel splitting wedges and have had them fire right back at me. Bonk  right in the shin bone ,ouch  >:( .Used an 8 pound short handle sledge on them .

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For wedges hard to beat the K&H redhead wedges, they take a pounding
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I like Stihl wedges, but I don't like their prices. I wish I knew who made them for them.

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my dealer is about a 20 minute drive away.  In an Amish area community.  I knew my parts/mechanic for over 20 years, Sylvan who just passed away.  It is his son that turns deer and turkey calls.  when I go in, I usually get a few chains and oil for bar and fuel.  often pick up a couple wedges.  I go about 4 to 6 times a year.  I consider the wedges consumable, and have some that look new, and some missing a triangle off the end.  I have reshaped a couple on the grinder.  John Deer carries stuff now and is 3 miles away, but these other guys consider it their calling.  The business is on owner number 3, and they all worked there at one point.
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my dealer is about a 20 minute drive away.  In an Amish area community.  I knew my parts/mechanic for over 20 years, Sylvan who just passed away.  It is his son that turns deer and turkey calls.  when I go in, I usually get a few chains and oil for bar and fuel.  often pick up a couple wedges.  I go about 4 to 6 times a year.  I consider the wedges consumable, and have some that look new, and some missing a triangle off the end.  I have reshaped a couple on the grinder.  John Deer carries stuff now, but these consider it their calling.  The business is on owner number 3, and they all worked there at one point.
Yes, there's no 'foul' in reshaping old wedges with a grinder.....I do it all the time. The wedge usually becomes shorter and I use them for buckin'.

I'll post some pics of a good selection of wedges that I use when it gets light outside.

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As promised, here is a selection of wedges I've used professionally. You can tell I'm a big Double Taper and K&H fan....lol.

My wedge pouch usually has the four to five wedges pictured in it. The chewed up wedges in the foreground I use buckin'. If I'm running short on wedges, I'll reshape them for smaller timber and buy new wedges.

If I have to stack more than two wedges in strategic places of the back cut, I'll just use a tree jack. You have to figure your time and how long you'll be banging on wedges. I've seen guys spend an hr banging wedges when they could have used a tree jack and been done in less than 15 minutes.

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Best wedges for driving are the HardHeads with the steel top caps, but they do eventually fatigue and the caps break off. Expensive too.

Husqvarna and Stihl market good wedges. Longer and thinner don't need holding  ribs unless you're in frozen timber.
Always put the ribs against the stump. Stacking 2 wedges put ribs on stump and tree butt.

Always carry 3 in a pouch. 1 for holding and opening kerf , the other 2 stacked next to it.
Big heavy tree drive the 3 wedges individually, one in middle of stump other 2 on corners of stump when all 3 driven in and need more lift  , stack 2 in middle .

If you need 3 you'll need more backup wedges.
I use this setup for backup plus 200 feet of rope in a bag. The throw line cube folds up flat nicely  for storage in the pickup.



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I have a bunch of those wedges Kevin, but don't have much call for the long ones. I got them just cause I got excited seeing a good variety in a real saw shop, and bought an assortment. Most of what you find around here is one brand in /maybe/ two lengths if you're lucky. I mostly use a little barbed 5" for bucking, and a smooth standard 8" for felling, but there's some mix/match as conditions warrant.

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Yeah, I wasn't going to get into techniques, but as Willard said....I'll usually put one wedge on either side of the middle and stack wedges in the middle for most lift.

Like I said earlier, I've come across guys with eight or more wedges in a tree and he's been bangin' for 45 minutes or more.......should have used a tree jack.

On problem leaner trees, you can get one of those slingshot things and get a rope up there to take advantage of a winch or snatch block(like in Willard's picture).

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Thanks for the Big Shot pole Info. but for now i think i will pass on gettig one.

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For felling smaller trees (say up to 6 inch butt) you could consider a felling lever. Mine has a handle about 30 inches long or so. Works best doing a “reverse” where you do the backcut first, then install the lever, then cut the notch, then lever the tree over. Takes a bit of practice. The felling lever is steel so you don’t want to cut into it when you cut the notch. Be sure to drop the notch a good few inches below the backcut to reduce chance of cutting the steel felling lever. 
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Interestingly....Jonsereds had a bladder which ran off of their saws that wedged smaller trees over.  Something like Nordfeller(sp). Very rare bit of kit but worked well on smaller trees.

Every now and then I'll see like a 70E with the fitting for one still on the saw.

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Thanks for the Big Shot pole Info. but for now i think i will pass on gettig one.
Wedges will take you there 95% of the time......

Kevin


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