Log prices

[BAN]

The mills up here in Intermountain region seem to be colluding these days.  Had forester tell me he could pay a LANGUAGE MODIFIED by ADMIN more but doesn't have to. $450 mbf for Doug fir peelers.  Poor landowners LANGUAGE MODIFIED by ADMIN these days

[barbender]

Is that a prophetic user name you have?😂

[Grandpa]

Is that a prophetic user name you have?😂

Got a chuckle out of that one. :D

[ehp]

I believe that tree was 57 inches on small end of second log . I have a older man that has 4 farms I help look after and all the farms have walnut on them but the 1 farm has quite a few , there are 7 of them on that farm I'm sure will go for $10,000 each or more . they are nice

[ehp]

I have never sold a black oak veneer , I have cut them but no one buys them up here , same with red maple . I have cut lots of that but $750/1000 is best I get

[Firewoodjoe]

I cut a lot of black. Most of it is pallet wood. I think there's a few variations people call black oak. Red/soft maple does good around here sometimes. 

[nativewolf]

The mills up here in Intermountain region seem to be colluding these days.  Had forester tell me he could pay a LANGUAGE MODIFIED by ADMIN more but doesn't have to. $450 mbf for Doug fir peelers.  Poor landowners LANGUAGE MODIFIED by ADMIN these days

Well I am sympathetic.  They absolutely do collude, even some veneer buyers won't compete.  My buyer has basically marked us as his territory and a whole whack of other buyers won't even stop by.  Some do though, not as many as I'd like.  

[mike_belben]

The stone business is similar, you dont go after another guy's customers or they will retaliate by going after yours.  Everyone is better off staying with their own and keeping the peace. 

[BAN]

The mills up here in Intermountain region seem to be colluding these days.  Had forester tell me he could pay a LANGUAGE MODIFIED by ADMIN more but doesn't have to. $450 mbf for Doug fir peelers.  Poor landowners LANGUAGE MODIFIED by ADMIN these days

Guess I type like i speak :D. 

[barbender]

You'll want to refine that😊

[nativewolf]

 WDH


Re: couple pics... post what your currently cutting
« Reply #5535 on: Today at 07:02:19 AM »


Hardwood Market Report for October 23, 2020:

Appalachian Region for 4/4

FAS red oak green $895.  #1C 595
FAS red oak KD $1380.  #1C $1075

FAS hard maple white green $1320 #1C $945
FAS hard maple white KD $1850 #1C $1270

FAS north central cherry green $1025 #1C $495
FAS north Central cherry KD $1525 #1C $950

FAS yellow poplar green $800 #1C $420
FAS yellow poplar KD $1175 #1C $700

Northern Region for 4/4

FAS red oak green $915 #1C $595
FAS red oak KD $1250 #1C $980

FAS hard maple white green $1480 #1C $945
FAS hard maple white KD $1810 #1C $1170

These prices FOB sawmill tractor trailer quantities. 

[nativewolf]

Thanks to @WDH for updating our HMR pricing.  To compare a bit, back in 2018 we had RO 4/4 FAS at 1145 and #1c at 845.  About 250 bucks on 1C from 2018 to now, we'd have to increase pricing by 40% to get there again.  Not sure what it was in 2016 but man... pricing moved the wrong way over the last 2-3 years.  

@EHP Ed I'm not sure if this helps give you some perspective or not, RO is just soft compared to the pricing of a few years ago but today HM is actually higher than that of 2018 so your good sawlogs should have sold well, the lumber is supporting the log sale price.  Don't think it is any particular mill hurting anyone, just weakness.  Frankly we get more for our long RO knotty timber LOGS than the price for 1C lumber, another mind blowing thing...fence boards sell for 12% more than FAS RO at wholesale pricing.  Crazy world out there.  

[ehp]

My hard maple average for the saw logs with veneer taken out was the highest i have ever seen for me . I'm very happy with what I got . My average per thousand was higher than the other mills top log price 

[nativewolf]

Glad to hear !  

[mudfarmer]

Around here there are a lot of big big big syrup operations taking over even pretty small bushes. I see a lot of logging jobs where they don't cut a stick of maple just every.single.other.tree. Huge monoculture crops like Midwest crop fields. Maybe this is happening in other places too, supply drying up and pushing the HM price? Just thinking out loud as to why other species price are down but HM up

[ehp]

HM still not as high on the good veneer end as it was a couple years ago, will we ever see $8 a ft again for it, well I hope so 

[SwampDonkey]

Red maple isn't worth much more than pulp here unless you have a figured buyer looking for rippled grain. We don't have many hardwood sawmills anyway and they get all kinds of cheap wood off crown land, so not going to pay much for private wood. I was in one local mill before and they had all kinds of birdseye maple at the time, certainly separated out. Didn't pay any more for it than regular logs, certainly sold it for a lot more when sawed. :D

Maple and birch saw logs bigger than 11" top around $560 now, another mill as low as $350 for 10"+ top for soft maple. You can't compete with the government. :D

[mike_belben]

I was at wifes friends bonfire for halloween under two monster maple yard trees.. Maybe 5ft butts, 24" limbs.. Short trees with huge crowns.. probably 100ft across.  She asked me about syrup.. I grabbed a sucker shoot and drunkenly google ID'd it as hard maple. 

 If thats correct, how does the sugar content compare to sugar maples?  This is in the middle of TN at 2000ft elevation.  I know our red maple can make syrup but its a ton of boiling off mostly water.  If i was willing to do the evaporating i bet she'd want to tap the trees.  How is long term health effected by taps?  These trees define the yard, probably historic landmarks. Wouldnt want to mess them up over $20 of aunt jemima.

[mike_belben]

Funny sidenote.. It was windy and lots of sparks were blowing around.. Shes a ditz. "omg omg is it gonna light my tree on fire!?"


Shannon theres 500 gallons of water in that tree.. You couldnt light it with a blowtorch.  :

[mudfarmer]

I grabbed a sucker shoot and drunkenly google ID'd it as hard maple.

[...]

If thats correct, how does the sugar content compare to sugar maples?

???You can see a variation of sugar content from 1%-8% in a sugar (hard) maple, red (soft) maple will be on the lower end of this scale. Tap 'em for sure. Maybe don't put too many on a line of tubing with a bunch of high class sugar maples, the reds will go "buddy" earlier in the spring and you could be making off tasting syrup. If you are selling it that is like selling your sawlogs for pulp
There should not be adverse health effects to the tree --if you tap correctly--. When I was younger and even dumber I split a few nice trees tapping. You won't notice it immediately but once the spile is set if you keep pounding you are basically wedging the tree apart sideways. The sound will change distinctly when it is fully set, just tap-tap-tap it in like Happy Gilmore and life will be sweet

[mike_belben]

So "hard maple" and "sugar maple" are the same tree?

[mudfarmer]

So "hard maple" and "sugar maple" are the same tree?

Nailed it! Also called "Rock Maple" by some old timers. One of the best tricks for ID'ing by leaf is the shape of the valley, sugar/hard/rock maple will have "U" shaped separations between the fingers of the leaf, red/soft maple will have "V" shaped separations

[moodnacreek]

Yes.

[PoginyHill]

I grabbed a sucker shoot and drunkenly google ID'd it as hard maple.

[...]

If thats correct, how does the sugar content compare to sugar maples?

???You can see a variation of sugar content from 1%-8% in a sugar (hard) maple, red (soft) maple will be on the lower end of this scale. Tap 'em for sure. Maybe don't put too many on a line of tubing with a bunch of high class sugar maples, the reds will go "buddy" earlier in the spring and you could be making off tasting syrup. If you are selling it that is like selling your sawlogs for pulp
There should not be adverse health effects to the tree --if you tap correctly--. When I was younger and even dumber I split a few nice trees tapping. You won't notice it immediately but once the spile is set if you keep pounding you are basically wedging the tree apart sideways. The sound will change distinctly when it is fully set, just tap-tap-tap it in like Happy Gilmore and life will be sweet

Another significant factor in sugar content is the size of the crown. A yard tree with a large crown has much more sugar than one in the middle of a stand with a limited top size. Healthy yard trees can produce a gallon of syrup with as little as 20 gal of sap. "Chinese" maple (the ones with red leaves year-round) will also produce good sap.

[mike_belben]

Good to know gang, i will look closer next time im there.


Well that clears up some confusion!  I only did arborist work in mass and didnt care what i was cutting down or burning. I knew to stay well away from blue tubes! 


Didnt look much deeper until i moved and had to start selling sawlogs to feed the kiddos.  I do remember some RIDICULOUSLY hard old maple burl firewood up there that i had to noodle to burn cuz there was no amount of wedges thatd bust it.  


Our natural woods are dominated by soft maple [reds.]  the mill sheets dont even have a spec for hard/sugar.. On this plateau "maple" is one lump category and pretty low grade, about same price as poplar.   Im told tapping red maple is a fools errand which is normally up my alley...



I should probably try to propagate some of the helicopters off her tree over here in my yard for the grandkids to tap.