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« Reply #140 on: November 11, 2020, 05:17:22 PM »
hard maple is better than that $3 to $5 average on veneer 

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« Reply #141 on: November 11, 2020, 05:19:43 PM »
I was talking about the $2 average , I only have had 1 log below $3 so far. The walnut has been sap right so I'm not thinking much but I can always hope 

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« Reply #142 on: November 11, 2020, 05:28:05 PM »
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« Reply #143 on: November 11, 2020, 05:38:31 PM »
Thanks for the report , we were having trouble finding a few white oak trees for a bridge job and a 20 acre tract came up reasonable this week that had some white and chestnut on it, mostly red from what I saw as we snagged a few whites yesterday. Might build some timberframes with the reds unless the price is good. I have seen yellow poplar going down the road here the past month or so, it had been only white pine.
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« Reply #144 on: November 11, 2020, 06:10:19 PM »
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« Reply #145 on: November 11, 2020, 09:08:57 PM »
This week's HMR shows hardwood lumber prices up for many species.  Red oak lumber is moving briskly and is in short supply.  China has come back into the market.  Cherry is moving up, hard maple, walnut, and white oak are moving up. 
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« Reply #146 on: November 13, 2020, 08:58:17 AM »
 Just got the 3rd quarter stumpage report from the U of Ma. Prices on the stump have gone up considerably. W/oak went from $75. to $200. Cherry $50. to $175. Sugar maple $175. to $300. Yellow Birch $40. to $175. Black birch up $5. Lot of others from 5 to 45. Even Hemlock came back on board at $30. All prices MBF.
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« Reply #147 on: November 13, 2020, 09:07:11 AM »
I think the free paychecks have spurred the upper class to invest in housing to park their money where it wont errode from printing press dilution.  Well, that and covid has mobilized the wealthy to escape population density.

friend of mine and his wife are both top middle class high earners and it took them a year of getting outbid when they were offering more than asking price already.  Half million to buy a house with a garage, 7 weeks ago.  


How else can you explain the housing market growing likes its the dotcom days when half the economy is in a forced covid closure?  Travel, hotel and restaurant biz are in the toilet, prices should be down on everything. Lumber has tripled yet every time im in lowes theres guys in line with full dolleys like its on sale in some sorta upside down world.  

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« Reply #148 on: November 13, 2020, 12:01:43 PM »
We did not do well on the sappy walnut, $8 max.  One log thrown down into high end sawlog at $4, it was nearly 1/3 sapwood.  Walnut sawlogs went from $4 to $1.

Had a black oak butt go for $1400/mbf and that's a new high for us on black oak.  

White oak staying strong with veneer from $3-6.
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« Reply #149 on: November 13, 2020, 01:46:25 PM »
$8/bf isnt good wyatt?  Ive never hit $2/bf. 
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« Reply #150 on: November 13, 2020, 03:39:22 PM »
$8/bf isnt good wyatt?  Ive never hit $2/bf.
On walnut?  $2 is well...I'll send some pics of $2.  It is not much of a log.  
I've moved my pricing bar up and I do regret selling a few stands too soon in my education process.  I'll hope to get to $14 on one log this winter, I guess the tree will go for $10k...most of that will be in the butt.  Not a tall tree.

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« Reply #151 on: November 13, 2020, 06:05:30 PM »
Boy I sure wish I could buy standing timber for that price , Most of those prices times by 2 to 4 times is the going rate here

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No, ive never cut a walnut or even seen one that wasnt a yard tree yet.  $1800/mbf is best ive ever done, white oak stave. And for here thats great. 
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« Reply #153 on: November 14, 2020, 02:42:56 PM »
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 From $8 on the butt (23”) but a little Duffy, short and a touch of peck with wide sap; to firewood limbs at $1/bdft
 
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« Reply #154 on: November 14, 2020, 06:38:30 PM »
ya like most veneer buyers will tell you , right where I am is the best hard maple veneer that grows , the heart is a pencil dot and snow white in color. Biggest problem here is cause it was worth so much guys would go in and just cut the top veneer and leave, next is the sap suckers . They can ruin a tree in 1 spring
Extremely rare for here, any hard maple above 20" diameter is usually leaning 10 degrees and at least 1/3 in the middle is dark or rotten. Seen lots of hard maple 40"+, but no good for anything other than the grinder. Even DNR don't even run their volume tables above 18" diameters. Cruising timber is rare now though, pretty much all done from the air. Cousin just had his ground done that way (LIDAR) and cutting there this fall. Just Google "lidar tree volume", all kinds of papers on the internet.

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« Reply #155 on: November 14, 2020, 07:20:08 PM »
$1000/mbf for firewood must be nice!  

Theres probably 10 mills within an hour radius of my house and its extremely rare to get $1/bf for anything that grows here.  
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« Reply #156 on: November 15, 2020, 05:59:48 AM »
For us in these parts, veneer red spruce, when there was a market here in the late 90's, only paid $1000 US/mbf. And nothing smaller than 14" top end, minimum 16'6" length, if I recall. We had some in the 3' to 4' breast height diameter range on an old town water reservoir lot. Towns now on wells with towers, so those woodlots have been cut since. Them logs went to a saw mill, and not at $1000. I think at the time, the veneer market was a bit on shaking ground. I do recall something like $500/mbf for the logs at the sawmill. Back then some mills paid $460 for the regular run of logs, so it was no premium. :D  The spruce veneer market has disappeared since. The sawmill is still here. But them logs went to their sawmill in Maine where they handle bigger spruce.

Last time I went looking for oak plywood, suppose to be the good stuff, it was expensive and a lot of voids. I have a desk here, that a pencil on paper could find them voids, the veneer will collapse over the void. And then they want the big dollars. Pass!!!

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« Reply #157 on: November 15, 2020, 06:45:55 AM »
I've never seen spruce veneer, neat.  I'd think that is the type of market that could come back but who knows.  Right now Russia is simply going to be swamping the market with wood and they can cut a lot of spruce, it will take them 80 years after they butcher it all.  
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« Reply #158 on: November 15, 2020, 08:03:17 AM »
$1000/mbf for firewood must be nice!  

Theres probably 10 mills within an hour radius of my house and its extremely rare to get $1/bf for anything that grows here.  
Go get some small walnut field trees, the 9 or 10" top curvy walnut limb was still worth $25.  Crazy world.  From those 3 or 4 trees we have 1/2 cord of limbs bucked, they'll sell for $800 or more.  Simply nuts for 7' limbs.  Anyway Mike just wanted you to see that it does not have to be remarkable stuff to sell if it is brown.   Also a caution to guys that throw that stuff on the firewood pile.  Sell it.  If I was you, ie mechanically capable, I'd do ok just taking walnut yard trees out and selling them.  
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« Reply #159 on: November 15, 2020, 09:53:07 AM »
I think your proximity to DC is a very large pricing factor wyatt.  I can buy sawn 4/4 walnut planks for $15 each on FB.    

Just cruised the firewood market [its still warm here so hasnt really started yet] and guys are selling a nice rick for $40 picked up or $45 delivered local.  Imagine how much your world would change if you were surrounded by people willing to load, deliver and unload a face cord for $5.   Thats like 2 bucks an hour. 
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