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Choke Cherry?
« on: August 10, 2021, 07:55:03 AM »
This is growing profusely near the road at the front of my property.  Is this a cherry?  Jelly maybe?? @SwampDonkey ?  
 

 

 
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« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2021, 09:22:51 AM »
Oh yea jelly it is. Those things are kinda on the sour side.  :D  The bushes don't grow much higher than 6-8 feet. Might get 4 inches across. I killed all the one around here on the farm. They do real well along a stone wall or a rock.  ;)  Now we pick them beside the road. Not many people use them, so there are plenty around. When picking beside the road, we have had people stop and ask us what we was doing and going to use them for.
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Re: Choke Cherry?
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2021, 11:40:16 AM »
Ain't supposed to be, but I've picked ripe chokecherries that were sweet and delicious.
Far as I can tell, it's 6 of one, half a dozen of the other...

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Re: Choke Cherry?
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2021, 12:01:07 PM »
Our chokecherries are tiny compared to those...

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Re: Choke Cherry?
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2021, 12:17:30 PM »
See, I dunno what they are. If they are cherries, id try to get enough to make some jelly.
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Re: Choke Cherry?
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2021, 02:43:04 PM »
Ray - What do you mean by "jelly".  Don't ever recall seeing those things.  
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Re: Choke Cherry?
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2021, 03:39:34 PM »
Some variety of wild plum I believe Jeff.

A chokecherry is small and black and dry to taste, a lot like black cherries. You can still make jelly from them plums.
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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2021, 03:44:09 PM »
@Southside   This is what Ray means by jelly.









wild plums for the jelly



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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2021, 10:15:21 PM »
Jelly it is. I really don't know how she makes it. I just pick 'em.  ;DThan eat the jelly.  ;D  I think she picks the stem out, which takes a lot of time, than boils them down to make a juice, than add pectin to make it thick. Sounds good.
I have seen choke cherry the same color as what Jeff has, than I have seen them a very dark red too. One thing for sure, you can pick a lot quick!!!
What he has is choke cherry. I have picked them things for years.
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Re: Choke Cherry?
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2021, 12:37:22 AM »
That sort of Jelly is basically made like Jam, but with all the "lumpy bits" filtered out. 

So you have the juice, sugar and pectin to help it set. Mum and her Mum used to make it when we were kids, blackberries, red currants, plums etc. Anything you can make jam from really. It would work great for any fruit with large seeds.
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Re: Choke Cherry?
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2021, 03:25:36 PM »
 

 
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« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2021, 03:34:39 PM »
Those look smaller than in your first photo. They would be choke cherries. The leaves of choke cherry and some plums have the same shape. All makes jam, jelly or juice. :)
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« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2021, 09:32:00 PM »
Does anyone know if Choke Cherry and Pin Cherry (sometimes called fire cherry because they come in after a fire) are the same thing ? I think they are eaten by a lot of birds. As a forest matures they get shaded out.

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« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2021, 09:53:07 PM »
choke cherries are not eaten by birds!!! There is a reason they are called choke cherry.  ;)  Them things can not be eaten right of the bush.
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« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2021, 10:04:02 PM »
Does anyone know if Choke Cherry and Pin Cherry (sometimes called fire cherry because they come in after a fire) are the same thing ? I think they are eaten by a lot of birds. As a forest matures they get shaded out.
Related, but different species. 
Pin Cherry   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prunus_pensylvanica
Choke Cherry  Prunus virginiana - Wikipedia
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« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2021, 06:53:16 AM »
Ahh, so Jeff did the "10 lb bass" extend your arm out photo thing. I was wondering how I had never seen such berries. 
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Re: Choke Cherry?
« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2021, 08:24:47 AM »
Just holding them up to the video camera as that is what I had. Never occurred to me the scale was cornfusing.
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« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2021, 09:17:50 AM »
Hungry birds definitely will eat chokecherries.  Even meat-eaters like robins will devour the fruits when it's gotten too dry to find earthworms.  The two I used to have in my yard never retained their fruits for long, once birds were migrating through.

Pin cherry and chokecherry are two related, but different species.
Far as I can tell, it's 6 of one, half a dozen of the other...

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« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2021, 01:00:33 PM »
This is a wyoming chokecherry...




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« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2021, 02:32:21 PM »
Does anyone know if Choke Cherry and Pin Cherry (sometimes called fire cherry because they come in after a fire) are the same thing ? I think they are eaten by a lot of birds. As a forest matures they get shaded out.
No we don't eat the pin (fire) cherries here. I've been cutting down thousands of the the darn things this summer with a clearing saw. :D

Birds, coons, bears eat choke cherries as fast as they can chomp'm down. :D

Every fence row around here has choke cherries and high bush cranberries, you'll never have to worry about not getting any. Of course, you have to watch were your picking. I don't pick near a potato field with a potato crop in it. They spray spuds here every week for something, bugs or blight. ;)

I'm pretty sure there are several species of chokecherry, but probably not as varied as serviceberry.
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« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2021, 09:33:24 PM »
I've never known anything to eat chock cherries.  ???
I have picked them things for years and never seen any evidence of another critter eating the berries. I can drive down the road and see the berries hanging of the bushes. I drive by the same ones and they are still there until they dry up and drop off.
I guess Maine critters don't have to eat sour berries. 
 I have picked them things as close as 10 minutes from my house and as far as an hour from my house.
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« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2021, 03:37:51 AM »
Ray, if you have coons and bears around and happen to step by some of their excrement, they are full of choke cherry seeds this time of year. Well for us it might be closer to September. ;D

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« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2021, 09:40:01 AM »
   I'm thinking you can eat any cherry, some just taste a lot better than others. We have lots of wild Black cherry (Prunus serotina) around here and wild sweet cherries we call Black heart or red heart depending on color. The black cherries are smaller and get ripe much later and are readily eaten by wildlife but seldom by people but would make good jelly or jam if you wanted to go to the trouble.

   We never use pectin any more. We use ripe fruit and the recipes in our canning books call for 1/4 unripe fruit for the acid. We use lemon juice or orange juice instead. I like to leave as much of the skin and pulp in the mix as I can and with seeds this big I think you could cook, mash and separate the seeds in a colander and retain juice and pulp, add sugar and lemon juice and cook it down till it jelled as evidenced on a wooden spoon or spoon rest then pour it up and seal while hot and it seals and snaps the lid down when it cools. 

   I'm craving a hot biscuit just thinking about it.
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« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2021, 10:44:03 PM »
Guess I must be a lost cause. I see those berries and think they would make a good wine.
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« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2021, 11:01:29 PM »
Guess I must be a lost cause. I see those berries and think they would make a good wine.
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« Reply #25 on: August 16, 2021, 11:32:17 AM »
All choke cherries are one and the same species-Prunus virginiana-but there are geographical variants.  "Canada red cherry" a well-known landscape cultivar sporting reddish-purple summer foliage-is one such variety.  Said to have showed up in a N. Dakota nursery row.  Not at all sure where the original genetics come from.

All such cherries and other small-fruited trees and shrubs can be called by that most wonderful of New England phrases....pucker brush!
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« Reply #26 on: August 16, 2021, 05:30:23 PM »
I took some video of picking enough to make jelly. Tough walking in that bramble with raspberries and wild clematis vines.
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« Reply #27 on: August 16, 2021, 07:10:04 PM »
We do an alcohol that is very very good with choke cherry that is somewat like Porto with an almond flavor. To be really good it has to age 3 years otherwise the taste of the alcohol is too rough. Here is the receipe :
-125 ml of sugar
-250 ml of fruit with the kernel
-500 ml of alcool  40% ( could be vodka, rhum etc )
My father in law used to do some wine. It has a fairly high level of alcohol. Anyway, it was not a winner...more a type of wine for a teenager that just want to get drunk

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« Reply #28 on: August 16, 2021, 09:43:39 PM »
@curved-wood I was a teenager once  ;D
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« Reply #29 on: August 16, 2021, 09:47:14 PM »
No wine here. Im a jelly kind of guy since the great wine explosion of 1981. 
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« Reply #30 on: August 30, 2021, 10:14:49 AM »
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