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Started by Walnut Beast, September 04, 2021, 07:58:25 AM

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stavebuyer

Guess they plan on some kind of solar or solar offset somewhere. 6 miles from the house. Second major new distillery in as many years in a small county. Not many places left to hide anymore.

https://www.kentucky.gov/Pages/Activity-stream.aspx?n=GovernorBeshear&prId=1599

SwampDonkey

That site showed it is blocked by Microsoft. Looking into it, it appears they were hacked back in October. Possibly they are blocking any access from outside the country?

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SwampDonkey

Yes that news site worked. That's quite a distillery, 115,000 barrels annually. I'm sure there are a few Canucks that would help consume it. :D
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Walnut Beast

I didn't have any problems with the links. Pretty interesting! 

stavebuyer

A little background. Two weeks ago the county zoning board rejected the request to rezone that ground from ag to industrial. The project was undisclosed but was expected to be a distillery. Lots of issues with black mold covering everything within quite a distance from distillers. The residents were very much in opposition. City council went into executive session and immediately annexed the ground from the county so they could approve the project. At the same time the state is trying do away with the special tax local districts levy on the bourbon in the barrels as they age.

Since they will be breaking ground in a less than a month, it is pretty obvious the check writers and favor granters inked this deal quite some time ago.


Walnut Beast

After talking to zoning yesterday about many things including solar. He said his problem is with the storage of the energy. Another state he discussed that when they shut the big windmills down and start the boilers that it actually costs more money. 

Walnut Beast

As for everyone that's worried about a project being abandoned most will require a bond. And in order for that to be reduced that after so many years moving forward that independent appraisals would dictate

stavebuyer

I am curious how they plan to have a carbon free distillery in a year's time? Independent Stave who is currently adding 5 more kilns at the cooperage on the east end of town uses natural gas to flame treat the barrels as well as fire kilns with gas and wood waste. I guess the carbon to fire treat and kiln dry 115k barrels per year doesn't count? Can you spell gimmick?  ::)

SwampDonkey

Natural gas and wood is net zero. Can't see how natural gas is, not matured in 100 years like a tree is. But they've got some kind of science to explain it I'm sure. :D

117 pounds of CO2 are produced per million British thermal units (MMBtu), 200 lbs for coal.
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1 Thessalonians 5:21

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peakbagger

There is such a thing as renewable natural gas. It is basically methane captured from vents that normally would go into the air. Its cleaned up and pumped back into natural gas lines. The people pumping it into the line get a certificate for the volume pumped in and someone downstream buys the certificate to cover the gas they use. The sources for RNG are landfills and anerobic digesters processing animal or people manure. Not sure what the equivalent to a human but a cow puts out enough power to keep a 100 watt light bulb lit, so just picture a cow with a 100 watt lightbulb in its butt;) I think a hog is 40 watts and a chicken is 2.5 watts. Anerobic digesters can work on a lot of waste products, several regional grocery stores send their outof date/spoiled food to digester plants. 

The local landfill used to have flare cam aimed at a flare pipe on their vent system, at night it was a nice blue flame coming out of a 6 or 8" pipe. The flame was several feet long. They are looking at putting in a RNG system.

Southside

Well since "the other" natural gas was formed the same way why would one be considered renewable and the other isn't?
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Ianab

Simply put there is 2 "sorts" of carbon. There is the stuff that's currently circulating in the ecosystem. In the air / soil / plants / animals / us. You can assume that's naturally a fairly stable quantity. Plants capture it, then get eaten / burned etc and the carbon is eventually released back unto the air, to be recirculated. But it's the same carbon being cycled around.

Other carbon has been buried and forgotten millions of years ago. Probably at a time when the CO2 levels were higher, and a lot of material got buried and forgotten. Basically removed from the ecosystem, and stashed underground as coal / oil and NG. It's releasing large amount of that buried carbon that could affect the climate. 

Methane from a landfill still counts as the current circulating type, because we buried it only a few years ago. It's the same as burning a 50 year old tree, it's not adding any more carbon to the system. Same a capturing methane from cow poop, or using corn / wood waste to power a distillery. 

I haven't looked into what the distillery is actually going to do, but if they for example put in a wood fired co-gen plant, powered by wood waste from the local sawmills, then that would go a long way towards being carbon neutral. The carbon in the Ethanol they sell is carbon neutral, it as corn a few weeks earlier, it's just the energy used in the process that they need to account for.  
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Southside

So if the current carbon isn't a problem, they why all the big to do over cow burps? 
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JD Processor
Woodmizer LT Super 70 and LT35 sawmill, KD250 kiln, BMS 250 sharpener and setter
Riehl Edger
Woodmaster 725 and 4000 planner and moulder
Enough cows to ensure there is no spare time.
White Oak Meadows

Ianab

Quote from: Southside on December 08, 2022, 10:10:45 PM
So if the current carbon isn't a problem, they why all the big to do over cow burps?
They burp methane, which is a lot more "greenhousie" than CO2. So one ton of methane is worth about 80 tons of CO2 in warming. 
In the overall scheme of things cows would balance out as the methane would eventually break down.  But methane release (from any source) is counted as a greenhouse gas in a big way. That's another reason that capturing landfill gas and burning it is favoured. Not only can you spin a gas turbine and get some power, but you have turned the methane into less nasty CO2. 
Current research is on how to adjust cows feed and gut bacteria to make less methane. Of course you don't want them brewing alcohol in their gut either, too many drunk cows staggering about. :D. 
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Southside

But they consumed the carbon in the renewable plants that you said were part of the current system so how is it not still renewable? If you get their gut too acidic they don't get drunk, they just die of acidosis.  
Franklin buncher and skidder
JD Processor
Woodmizer LT Super 70 and LT35 sawmill, KD250 kiln, BMS 250 sharpener and setter
Riehl Edger
Woodmaster 725 and 4000 planner and moulder
Enough cows to ensure there is no spare time.
White Oak Meadows

twar

Quote from: Southside on December 08, 2022, 10:36:55 PMBut they consumed the carbon in the renewable plants that you said were part of the current system so how is it not still renewable?


If they only ate "self-harvested" native vegetation, yes. But a big part of their feedlot diet is corn/soy which requires a tractor, fertilizer, pesticides, transportation etc.

SwampDonkey

There's a lot of white washing of methane. It can come from a lot of sources, swamps (40% of production), ocean, ag, garbage heap, ancient formations, recovery from petroleum processing, insect colonies (termites). Whose ever burning it for power is getting it any way they can get it. That includes the ancient deposit stuff and off oil processing itself. A whole industry has been developed getting it out of the ground. Don't underestimate the power of deception. :D
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1 Thessalonians 5:21

2020 Polaris Ranger 570 to forward firewood, Husqvarna 555 XT Pro, Stihl FS560 clearing saw and continuously thinning my ground, on the side. Grow them trees. (((o)))

Ianab

Quote from: Southside on December 08, 2022, 10:36:55 PM
But they consumed the carbon in the renewable plants that you said were part of the current system so how is it not still renewable? If you get their gut too acidic they don't get drunk, they just die of acidosis.  
They were part of the system 70 million years ago. Earth was very different then. Dinosaurs wandered around Greenland and Antarctica. Sea levels and the very air were also different. Taking X zillion tons of carbon OUT of the ecosystem over millions of years gradually changed the climate until it's what we have now.  We KNOW the climate can change, from both external factors and Earth related ones, even organic forces. Oxygen only exists in a free state on Earth BECAUSE life exists. 
It's a sudden change that's a problem. Not for "life" in general, because the changes won't be that severe. The Cockroaches and rats will survive. Earth has seen worse in the past, hence us puny mammals are in charge, not the dinosaurs. It's the economic and social disruption it could cause. 
Now if it's a super-volcano or asteroid strike, then tough luck NZ or Colorado, and expect assorted famines around the world for a couple of years. Can't do a lot about that, although NASA is working to deflecting asteroids if they spot them soon enough. 
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