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« on: October 06, 2004, 07:25:02 AM »
Howdy folks!

I'm not a professional logger, but I have cut timber for my timber frames with a fellow who has a fairly new wood-mizer.

Here's my question: do any of you all have experience or know somebody who has cut live-oak? I have a property in Fla with a lot of it growing, and a lot of wind-falls. I would really like to get some of those interesting grown-curves sawed out. The local sawyers there tell me the stuff is too dense to cut with circular mills.

I've heard that a bandsaw mill with the right blade and enough hp can do it.

Thanks for any info,

Pat  

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Re: live oak
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2004, 07:33:50 AM »
It's not that the circle mills can't cut it, it's that the sawyer doesn't want to cut it.  Live oak is a pain in the neck regardless of what you use.  It is a hard, heavy and dense wood.  Even when you have taken the log apart it is hard on shop tools.  Sawmill blades don't last a long time cutting it.  I have cut it but don't relish the idea.  

It is a pretty wood with convoluted grain.  Better for table tops and thicker applications than paneling or boards.  Cutting contorted logs can be a job dogging on any sawmill and getting a mill that can reach through all the convolutions is necessary too.  Twisted logs will not want to dry straight.  Expect a lot of degrade.
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Re: live oak
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2004, 07:34:07 AM »
 pbottle ??? I ain't even gonna ask ::) ::) :D :D

We have cut Live Oak. It is hard. It is heavy, It is crooked. It makes great decking for trailers. You get a really sharp blade and keep the logs CLEAN, and it will saw pretty well. Can't push the travel speed too much.

 Where is the property located in Fl ???
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Re: live oak
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2004, 05:14:53 AM »
Thanks for the replies.

I do woodworking for a living, and my Dad just set up a pretty good shop at the place, so getting some stock right off the property would be nice.

I'd love to build a little house there with a timber-frame roof out of that crazy oak. Also, those grown-curves could find a nice little market up here with the boat-builders.

Deadheader, it's a one-horse town called Bushnell, a cattle town about  forty minutes down the railroad from Ocala.

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« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2004, 10:03:47 AM »
 Yer just south of Orlando on the west side. Hope ya find a sawyer over there. Maybe the "BigDogPC" might saw for ya. He's in the Ocala area. ;) ;D ;D
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Re: live oak
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2004, 04:36:36 PM »
Pbottle,

can ya send us a pic of the tree's, I'm a bit far away and can't quite see 'em :D

Seriously, don't know what they are would like to see what they are to understand the issues a bit better.

TIA
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Re: live oak
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2004, 07:14:14 PM »
pbottle,
  I'm in Bushnell!  Bushnell Sawmill, WC48 , 3.5 west of I-75. Stop on by. I've cut some live oak, but there's live oak I'll cut and then there's that other live oak!  Stop on in anytime , welcome to the neighborhood.
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Re: live oak
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2004, 07:25:06 PM »
  Sigidi, here's some typical Live Oak trees




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Re: live oak
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2004, 05:19:46 AM »
Hey Mark!

Yeah, I've been to your place several times over the last few years - you may remember, caint be that many yankees stoppin by. Actually, I'm a yankee by license plate only, all my family is from floridy. Last winter I stopped in to get a price for pine boards from ya to side a little cabin I built; I ended up using some old fir 2x10s we had, looks good - kinda like a squared log cabin.

What I'm looking for is to bring a portable mill onto the property, one that's right tweaked to cut that stuff. I heard that someone in south carolina cut a bunch of live oak on a wood-mizer for a wooden-ship replica. I've also heard that a blade with very little or zero hook is necessary for serious cutting of such dense and quilted wood?

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Re: live oak
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2004, 11:49:34 AM »
  We use 13 hook for everything. Probably would be better to drop back to 4, but, I don't want to change the setting on the sharpener, now that I got it where it saws well.
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Re: live oak
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2004, 06:53:59 PM »
pbottle,
     You'd be surprised how many "Yanks" stop by the mill. I can always tell when it's warming up in our northern climates- all the "snowbirds" stop by "to get some cypress for ole Fred from down the street- you know we don't have cypress in Michigan (or New York, or ...)." :) We listen to their stories, load up the RV , and send them off till next year. It's amazing how many worked in a mill in their younger years.
   We've cut good ,straight live oak, not too twisted, with the standard hardwood blades from woodmizer. I usually have a magazine to read while I'm sawing it though, it can be slow going. :) There are a couple of portables in the area, ours are both electric. When you get back down here, call, I'll give you their number.
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Re: live oak
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2004, 06:32:31 AM »
Thanks Mark. I may be down there this winter or early spring.

Yeah, I've noticed most of the snow-birds in your area are from the mid-west. Around here, even upstate newyork is considered the west.

Hey, by the way, if you know any local builder/carpenters looking for a job this winter, tell em to contact me. We're looking to get a shell built for my folks house.    

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Re: live oak
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2004, 10:51:44 AM »
The 'dog has cut live oak and yup, there's some I'll cut and some I won't. ;D  I've had pretty good luck with the monkey blades right out of the box.  Have yerself a fine one!!!


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