I've hit a lot of stuff inside trees over the years, but this was a first for me.
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I guess this is my first "Rock" Elm. 55" across on the stump.
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Perhaps kids dropped them in the crotch of the tree decades ago?
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This log has eaten 3 new slabber chains (not destroyed, just very dulled) so far. I still have one cut left to finish it. Hopefully I have all the rocks out. I hit an 8 penny nail too that I missed with the detector, but it didnt do much.
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I hit two yesterday that were inside this beautiful quilted and spalted maple. How they got in there is anyone's guess.
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The slabber actually cut over the top of the rock and only took out the bottom cutters. So immediately thereafter the blade started its upwards climb until it bound up. I had to switch chains and turn the whole slabber around and meet the cut from the other side (the big line on the left across the log is where the two uneven cuts meet). I'll either clean it up with a sharp chain or use the Lucas planer head on the swingblade mill to flatten it before it goes in the stack to dry.
Those are some nice slabs, logboy. As for the rocks, kids can put them in crotches or holes in the tree, sometimes they throw rocks at trees and maybe it stays there some how, and I suppose pack rats and certain other animals might pick up rocks and move them sometimes, too. Sometimes bigger rocks can end up there when people are picking rocks in a field, and piling them somewhere. Sometimes they get bored and stick rocks in unusual places. "Look at this Joe, this rock is just the right size to fit in this tree."
Still another possibility, dendrologists and other scientists can tell me if I'm all wet-- sometimes in a double tree, a rock might be between where the two seeds were planted (or two suckers came up from an underground root.). Possibly in this case, the growing of the trees, combined with the freeze/thaw action of the frost, could work the rock up between the trees to the point where it gets trapped between the wood of the two trees.
Anyway, looks like you found another rock maple. ::)
Those are river stones could be flooding put them there if ther is water close.
Those DanGed squirrels put them there,dumb squirrels think their nuts. Frank C.
Or 8 year old kids doing what 8 year old kids do....throw rocks.
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Water Oak becomes Rock Oak. :-\
Quote from: jimparamedic on October 15, 2012, 08:03:31 AM
Those are river stones could be flooding put them there if ther is water close.
I'm pretty sure these two logs came out of Hastings, MN so thats very well possible. The Mississippi River runs through town and floods periodically. Dont think it was squirrels. There was a hollow part on the maple that had squirrels at one time because I kept getting bits of plastic bag and leaves out of it. No rocks there though.
Speaking of Hastings, I see the new bridge is getting closer to being finished. The main span is now the longest free-standing tied-arch in North America. It wont be long until I'm hauling logs over that one too. It would be nice to drive through town without the construction and the fear of driving over the top of someone with the International.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ5qVMS9Ly0
I threw a good number of rocks at critters too. I would think a few are probably up in a tree right now.
I've got a bunch of golf balls that have been lost in trees. And now that I have a mill, everytime I lose another golf ball in a tree, I think about maybe a sawyer will find it one day. :)
??? How do a golf ball stay in a tree so that it can be sawed?
I have actually hit a golf ball embedded in a tree when I ran the circle head rig. THe worst thingI ever hit though was a 6" rock brown into the butt end of a beech log. I had a vertical edger set up, and the edger hit it before it got to the headsaw. There were three movable 18" blades on the edger arbor. The impact peeled two of them off the arbpr in chunks, bent the arbor and destroyed the coupler that connected the Electric motor to the arbor.
I would be willing to guess that you didn't use the edger for a while afte that. It looks like the chainsaw mill did better than a band would've with rocks.
We couldn't use the whole mill after that. The edger had to be repaired first. As I remember, we were down two or three days.
We have trees up on the side of the Mt that have rocks embedded in the forks etc from various volcanic eruptions several hundred years ago.
So there are all sorts of ways they might get there.
Ian
I think the most plausible answer is a bloke from the future was ticked off cos he couldn't get timber sawn and he came back to mess with logboys day and put a handful of rocks in the tree - makes sense to me ;)
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I managed to get the log finished up, and narrowly missed another rock. It was in the very bottom of the crotch. It had been there awhile. Cant wait to see what's inside the two big red oaks waiting to be slabbed.
Were these "yard trees"? I ask because I have hit some crazy stuff at the stump felling some trees in customer's yards: rocks, nails, cement, dog chains, and assorted other hardware are common. The last tree I removed a couple years ago completely destroyed a 36" brand NEW chain I was running. Took of 12 teeth on the left side and 4 on the right side of the chain, 8" into my face cut. Customer paid for that one.
Quote from: Jeff on October 15, 2012, 12:04:10 PM
I have actually hit a golf ball embedded in a tree when I ran the circle head rig. THe worst thingI ever hit though was a 6" rock brown into the butt end of a beech log. I had a vertical edger set up, and the edger hit it before it got to the headsaw. There were three movable 18" blades on the edger arbor. The impact peeled two of them off the arbpr in chunks, bent the arbor and destroyed the coupler that connected the Electric motor to the arbor.
[/ te] Jeff please explain the edger before the headsaw setup. Were you using it as a mini scragg?
A lot of production circle saws have a vertical edger before the headsaw. It makes cuts that are met later by the headsaw and the board and edging strips fall off of the log seperately. They slow the sawyer down slightly, but eliminate the job of someone to run a seperately edger.
Quote from: Magicman on October 15, 2012, 11:53:08 AM
??? How do a golf ball stay in a tree so that it can be sawed?
Well it all starts like this Magic......... :)
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I wasn't questioning the "starting". :D
Quote from: Magicman on October 15, 2012, 07:42:18 PM
I wasn't questioning the "starting". :D
I know, I was just picking at ya. But I have seen numerous golfers and kids see a hole in a tree and what do they do? Stick a golf ball in it. ;D
This is a pretty good clip from youtube showing a vertical edger working
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrkZqvBUKAk
Amazing.....just amazing. i love the conveyor system. What a nice set up!
If you like the conveyer, just run down to your local orange paint store and pick one up. ;D
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Get the pneumatic sorting table too.
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:o That sawyer is making many quick decisions. My respect goes to anyone handling those controls.
David,
You actually look very nice in red and black.
Quote from: WDH on October 15, 2012, 09:46:21 PM
David,
You actually look very nice in red and black.
My Clemson / Wood-Mizer Orange outfit was dirty. So I dressed like a DAWG! :D
I noticed that you rode your chicken to the golf course. :D
Quote from: Magicman on October 15, 2012, 09:52:30 PM
I noticed that you rode your chicken to the golf course. :D
You sound like my DanG wife. :D :D :D
She said I should get a lawyer and sue my legs for non-support. ;D
I just sent Jeff a PM to ban any pictures of your legs. But I must admit,more courage than what I have.
Quote from: thecfarm on October 15, 2012, 10:09:10 PM
I just sent Jeff a PM to ban any pictures of your legs. But I must admit,more courage than what I have.
Is this better? :D
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No!
:D :D :D
WDH, a man of few words. I'm really starting to like him more and more. :D
Quote from: thecfarm on October 15, 2012, 10:14:51 PM
WDH, a man of few words. I'm really starting to like him more and more. :D
I like 'em. He knows his wood and big words......but when it comes to golf, he's probably like Mike Tyson playing scrabble. :D :D :D
Actually I used to be pretty good at it. But, I gave it up. Took up too much time to play. Plus, I bought a sawmill :D.
Quote from: WDH on October 15, 2012, 10:24:27 PM
Actually I used to be pretty good at it. But, I gave it up. Took up too much time to play. Plus, I bought a sawmill :D.
Sawdust has made a lot of things extinct. :)
I'd not paid that much attention to the video before I posted it other than it had a vertical edger. Looks like he was having some saw troubles. That is one thing the vertical edger is good at showing you. Once adjusted to a perfectly running saw, you can easily see when the headsaw is leading one way or the other. In his case, the saw was leading out of the log, you could tell by the edger saw makes on the log as he finished the cuts. When a saw leads into the log, the edgings and boards will hang together. Out mill had a larger 5.5 inch edger and a 3 head block carriage. That mill has a 3.5 inch edger and is a two headblock
He sure does know what ugly,scary,scrawny,poorly,skinny,pitiful,sorry,awful,bad legs look like.
I was going to ask you that. I was wondering why the edger kept sawing deeper on the tail end of the log, marring up the next boards.
Yea, that's not good. Its not only marking up the lumber, he is absolutely cutting thick and thin lumber. I'd have died of embarrassment if someone did a video with the saw running like that.
I'd have died of embarrassment if someone had made a video of some of the stuff that I have done, and it was not the sawmill's fault. ;D
You should have seen me trying to load a big log on the LT15 yesterday, or maybe not :).
That guy is slow as molasses compared to he one I used to work for. And as a lumber stacker/lumber grader, my least favorite time was when we are sawing hickory for the tool handle mill. It was mainly 10/4 and the saw liked to dodge inward a lot because of the feed rate. I was busting my donkey trying to keep up and when I had to beat the edging strips off against the other boards it would put me behind. I still miss that job for some reason... Must be that elusive sawdust fever.
I would die of embarrassment if anyone showed pictures of me trying to play golf. Thankfully there are extremely few opportunities for any such pictures to be obtained.
There are zero chances of there being pictures or videos of me playing golf. ;D
He doesn't have a very smooth rhythm to his sawing. He sure does stop a lot to set edger saws. My guess is that his saw guide isn't quite adjusted right, or his saw is a little dull. You can hear it rubbing on the return. Some guys figure you can cut the same speed in all types of wood at all times. I found I had to vary my speed on logs to keep the saw running straight.