Another lonely saw follows me home

[donbj]

Picked this one up today. Another beauty that's been looked after and not used much at all. Stopped in for some fish and chips at a local joint today and started a conversation with a guy I went to school with decades ago and this resulted. She's a nice one. Rock solid compression. One of the main reasons he didn't like it, said he could hardly pull it over. And too bloody heavy as well.


 

 

 

 

 

 

[Spike60]

Low hour pro saws are the best finds, aren't they?  8)

[DHansen]

Wow! That'll get your motor running. Very nice.

[donbj]

Low hour pro saws are the best finds, aren't they?  8)

That's for sure. They're still out there. Surprising how some of them come around. They must have crunched the original muffler as the one on it isn't correct. I have another though.
The previous owner bought it at an auction at an old farmer that was selling out about five years ago. The farmer had the same opinion about it, too heavy and hard to pull over so didn't use it much. 

[Real1shepherd]

Another great score!

Yeah, send all those "heavy, hard to pull" 2100/2101's you can find my way... ;D

I found a YouTube vid on polishing faded plastics that looked promising. They were doing it to faded dirt bike plastic tanks. The color is there.....you just have to bring it back.

Kevin

[Real1shepherd]

That’s for sure. They’re still out there. Surprising how some of them come around. They must have crunched the original muffler as the one on it isn’t correct. I have another though.
The previous owner bought it at an auction at an old farmer that was selling out about five years ago. The farmer had the same opinion about it, too heavy and hard to pull over so didn’t use it much.

Took a serious hit then because they came with a protective shroud to guard against just that.....except the bottom louver mufflers....what some called the 'jungle muffler'.

Can you show a pic of what's on there?

Kevin

[donbj]

Took a serious hit then because they came with a protective shroud to guard against just that.....except the bottom louver mufflers....what some called the 'jungle muffler'. Can you show a pic of what's on there? Kevin

Hmmm, interesting. It was a bottom louver muffler. I'll post a photo in a bit. I never knew that bit of info.

[donbj]

Here's the muffler and a shot of the piston rings. I did a bit of digging regarding the jungle muffler and it certainly was offered. Two screws on the louver got messed up removing them to get a piece of metal rattling around inside the muffler. The various ring configurations is interesting as well. Thin ring, thick ring etc.  This saw has 1984 on the tag


 

 

[Real1shepherd]

Here’s the muffler and a shot of the piston rings. I did a bit of digging regarding the jungle muffler and it certainly was offered. Two screws on the louver got messed up removing them to get a piece of metal rattling around inside the muffler. The various ring configurations is interesting as well. Thin ring, thick ring etc.  This saw has 1984 on the tag


 

Ohhhhhhhhh.... the coveted 'jungle muffler'.

Hey, I'll trade you straight across for a complete standard muffler, for real!

Not sure the 'jungle mufflers' have any added value, but the bottom louver mufflers are less restrictive on my J'reds. I like them when I can find them.

Yes, the thin rings are overrated. They weren't reliable back in the day. Unless you were using early synthetic oil mixes or kept your mix ratio around 40:1 as well, you'd stick the rings in the field and would have hell to pay.

There were also three piston sizes to choose from to rehab the top end('A', 'B', 'C'). Mostly due to quality control of the jugs. Quality control got better and the three piston choices from the factory disappeared at some point in the production run.

Kevin

[Al_Smith]

They are a  bear to pull over .Should have been made with a decomp and a kick starter .

[donbj]

Here's the muffler and a shot of the piston rings. I did a bit of digging regarding the jungle muffler and it certainly was offered. Two screws on the louver got messed up removing them to get a piece of metal rattling around inside the muffler. The various ring configurations is interesting as well. Thin ring, thick ring etc.  This saw has 1984 on the tag


 

Ohhhhhhhhh.... the coveted 'jungle muffler'.

Hey, I'll trade you straight across for a complete standard muffler, for real!

Not sure the 'jungle mufflers' have any added value, but the bottom louver mufflers are less restrictive on my J'reds. I like them when I can find them.

Yes, the thin rings are overrated. They weren't reliable back in the day. Unless you were using early synthetic oil mixes or kept your mix ratio around 40:1 as well, you'd stick the rings in the field and would have hell to pay.

There were also three piston sizes to choose from to rehab the top end('A', 'B', 'C'). Mostly due to quality control of the jugs. Quality control got better and the three piston choices from the factory disappeared at some point in the production run.

Kevin

I can't see how with that piece with the holes in that sits under the louver would let it flow better. There are two holes on each of four sides. They are just under 3/16" holes. Maybe if taken out it would flow better or maybe it serves a good purpose, it's beyond my knowledge. I just know guys open their mufflers up gor better flow and performace.

 

 

[chet]

Eldest Grandson (16) spotted one of my 2100's hanging in my sawmill shed a few weeks ago. He asked if it ran, 'yup if yer man enough ta start it'.  ;D  The look on his face was priceless when he tried ta spin it over.  :D  But, DanG if he didn't git err ta fire up on his third attempt.  8)

[sawguy21]

You best behave yerself around that young feller! :D

[Real1shepherd]

I can’t see how with that piece with the holes in that sits under the louver would let it flow better. There are two holes on each of four sides. They are just under 3/16” holes. Maybe if taken out it would flow better or maybe it serves a good purpose, it’s beyond my knowledge. I just know guys open their mufflers up gor better flow and performace.

 

 

Lol...you remove or open that up. In theory, to be legal back then you just had to have a spark arrestor behind that louver.....nothing else.
On my J'reds with the bottom louver, there is just a screen behind it.....wide open without the louver. I have some pics of all
that, but even with coaching from my son, I have not been able to find them on this PC.
The saws are only hard to start if you're Midwestern corn farmer stock. 8)
It wasn't a consideration back in the day loggin' and no one complained that I knew of.

Kevin

[chet]

The saws are only hard to start if you're Midwestern corn farmer stock.  8)

Growing up in the Midwest, on a farm that raised a fare amount of corn, I find your statement totally ignorant and uncalled for.

[Al_Smith]

 :D WTG Chet ,I'm not going to say a thing

[donbj]

Hey, I'll trade you straight across for a complete standard muffler, for real! 

I thought about this but from a collector standpoint it adds another interesting piece to what I'm trying to do so I better pass. 

Stripping down L65's and 480CD's lately and sorting the good parts out from them.


 

[Spike60]

"That piece with the holes" is what you gotta ditch. Easiest muffler mod in the world; all ya need is a screw driver.

Have one of those on my 285CD, and on my best Jonny 930. They make a difference. Wish I had more of them.  

[Spike60]

Little helpful suggestion if I may Don, and you may already be doing it. A stripping/sorting operation like that works out better in the long run if some boxing/labeling is done with it. At least by model. So many times years ago I'd pick up a part and be thinking, "I knew what this was when I set it here."  ???

[Al_Smith]

There's a lot to be said about that .I'm not real good at it myself .I've got boxes full of Stihl parts,5 gallon buckets full of McCulloch  parts and just boxes full of parts I have no idea what goes to what .It's seldom if but rather where is it ---and that's  just for chainsaws not to mention all the other stuff .
On the muffler of the 2100 I'm not sure what I've done to it .That thing will run like a scalded ape if you can start it .Perhaps if I hadn't been born in the midwestern corn belt I could start it easier 8)Never the less when the hawk of winter goes away I'll figure it out .

[donbj]

Little helpful suggestion if I may Don, and you may already be doing it. A stripping/sorting operation like that works out better in the long run if some boxing/labeling is done with it. At least by model. So many times years ago I'd pick up a part and be thinking, "I knew what this was when I set it here."  ???

Excellent advice, thanks. I do keep track in that regard. I keep items sorted and labeled either in containers or good zip lock bags and together by model in a box. Been down that road a few times with "I'll remember this"

[Real1shepherd]

Growing up in the Midwest, on a farm that raised a fare amount of corn, I find your statement totally ignorant and uncalled for.

You're only defending Al, who has continually taken cheap shots at west coast fallers(me) and you never do a thing to warn him. You know what they say about living in glass houses and casting stones....

I was raised in MO and even had a farm there in the late 80's/90's.

Kevin

[chet]

Kevin I sent you a personal message, I suggest you read it very carefully. Nuff said

[Spike60]

The other thing Don, is if you have the room is to store the carcasses without stripping them. Sounds good in theory, but once the start building up, ya gotta thin them out.

Depends on the saw too. On some chassis, like 372's and Jonny 670's, I can pick up every single screw and know exactly where it goes. Something like an L65, I have to label everything.  :laugh:

[Al_Smith]

 I think my problem is related to the starter drum perhaps turning off center ,running eccentric which will bind them up .The saw has been  doctored on a little bit too .Blows around 180- 185 PSI static with a vee stack and a K and N filter .It was a west coaster from some island off Washington state .Found it on one of the forums years ago --cheap .

[donbj]

The other thing Don, is if you have the room is to store the carcasses without stripping them. Sounds good in theory, but once the start building up, ya gotta thin them out.

Depends on the saw too. On some chassis, like 372's and Jonny 670's, I can pick up every single screw and know exactly where it goes. Something like an L65, I have to label everything.  :laugh:

For sure but I don't have the room at present to store them all as is. Some are incomplete organ donors that have just a few good parts so it's best to strip them out and part ways with the rest. It's surprising what an old grime covered saw has to offer at times.
Stripping and cleaning I can box and label things and Have that step looked after when I start the fun part putting some together. Looks good on paper😀

[Al_Smith]

 

Depends on the saw too. On some chassis, like 372's and Jonny 670's, I can pick up every single screw and know exactly where it goes. Something like an L65, I have to label everything.  :laugh:

It's whatever a person is used to .I know next to nothing about J-reds but on a 10 series McCulloch or a 200T Stihl I can almost do it blind folded .On the later it's hard to say how many I've worked on mostly seal and bearing changes which is what killed most of them .That's an age old thing of an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure because given enough run time that's where a failure will happen .

[donbj]

Depends on the saw too. On some chassis, like 372's and Jonny 670's, I can pick up every single screw and know exactly where it goes. Something like an L65, I have to label everything.  :laugh:

It's whatever a person is used to .I know next to nothing about J-reds but on a 10 series McCulloch or a 200T Stihl I can almost do it blind folded .On the later it's hard to say how many I've worked on mostly seal and bearing changes which is what killed most of them .That's an age old thing of an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure because given enough run time that's where a failure will happen .

A photo is golden as well and put in a file under saw model. Lots of components I take a photo of before disassembly or lay parts out in order of assembly and get a photo. The parts go in a zip lock with the fasteners for them as well. The days of trying to remember are long gone!

[Jeff]

I came up with a perfect solution for storing old saws. Didnt I @chet !  :D

[donbj]

I came up with a perfect solution for storing old saws. Didnt I @chet !  :D

That conjures up a few different scenarios!

[chet]

Yup, they're hangin' next ta mine. :D

[donbj]

Picked this up a couple weeks ago. Fiddlin with it today and cleaning it up. Looks pretty nice! Excellent compression and spark. Needs a bit of fuel line work. Should be a good one. Not a Husky but I'm partial to a few Homelites😀.


 

 

[chet]

Makes my fingers and hands numb just lookin' at it.  ;D  Great saws with just over a tad bit of vibration transferred to the operator.  :D

[Tin Horse]

That saw brings back memories. Dad bought one new when I was about 16. Loved it. Also ran it on a chainsaw mill. Didn't know any better about the noise, weight or vibration either. That plus a few others probably added to the need for carpal tunnel surgery in both hands. I remember the 922 eating fuel lines and a poor air filter system. Also pressurized the fuel tank.
Gas looked to be boiling when refueling.

[Al_Smith]

The one and only time I've seen boiled gas was in the Colorado rocky mountains in 1974 deer hunting .Did it on my Poulan S25 DA and a Pioneer of the same size .Cutting camp wood elevation between 8-9000 feet .Had to lean out the carb at that elevation .

[Spike60]

Oh, your gonna have fun with that 922. That chassis is a classic, and my favorite Homelite series. Real fun saws to run, and they sound great too.

Yeah they vibrate, but not a big deal unless your looking at all day use. To just run a tank or 2 through it and cut a pickup load of firewood will be fun. You won't notice the vibes as much as you'll notice the torque. 

[weimedog]

Actually the 922 maybe the best from that series  Happen to have one on the bench awaiting it's fate. Have a NOS cylinder and piston now just need the time.

[sawguy21]

I picked one off a scrap pile and got it to bark, it sure is noisy and heavy. Haven't cut with it, I need to find the correct bar.

[donbj]

I can relate to the vibration for sure. I bought a Super XL130 back in 78 It was a great saw. Fingers would be numb after running it at times. That saw would pressurize the tank as well and gas would be boiling inside. Had to be careful removing the gas cap.

I cut alot of wood with that saw, cut and sold firewood for a couple of years with it as well. Lots of jam for 58cc.

[donbj]

Interesting detail regarding that item/baffle in the jungle muffler. I took a couple 380 mufflers apart and they have exactly the same piece in them except if you look at the comparing photos they have the back of it opened up with holes as well as the two on each side. Interesting the jungle muffler on the 2100 had only the sides done. I wonder if it missed part of the process or something. Seems odd to me. They are exactly the same size just more holes in the 380CD ones, hmmm.


 

 

[donbj]

This little gem ended up in my truck today. Nothing missing except two proper starter cover bolts. Not a single crack in any plastic. Has sat for a few years but fired up after a few pulls with some fresh fuel. Could probably use a carb kit or maybe just run a bit, kind of cranky at idle. The orange brake flag is different. First one I've seen since I started this adventure a few years ago.

Heading out looking at 3-4 of the big boys tomorrow a fellow contacted me about. Could be interesting.


 

 N

[Walnut Beast]

Your off to a good start this month with gems showing up in the back of your truck! 

[donbj]

Yes. Fortunate to find this one. I didn't have a 61 til this. Great condition! Tomorrow looks interesting too.

[donbj]

Pretty clean unit


 

[DHansen]

  Nice 61 Don.  Looks well cared for.   Very impressed with the one I picked up last winter.  

[donbj]

 Nice 61 Don.  Looks well cared for.   Very impressed with the one I picked up last winter.  

Thanks, I haven't run it in wood yet, been too busy cleaning and dismantling some saws,lol.

[donbj]

Bit of a road trip today. Picked up a few more. Was hoping for more big cube saws but got pretty lucky with these. A 298XP, two 480CD's, 262XP, another 61, and two small Jonsered, 2045 and 2050.
The 298XP was on the bench soon after I got home. Great spark and 155# compression. Can tell it's earned its keep but it's all there except proper muffler and he fellow said it runs. A few bumps and bruises but great project saw.

The 480's are complete, one has low compression but looks good inside so has good potential. The other has a scored piston.

262xp was a great find and has low compression as well but looks good inside. It's all there and great company for my other 262.

The 61 and the Jonsereds I haven't got into yet. Was a great day and some good additions.



 

[Walnut Beast]

I would say your hauling in the treasures 👍

[customsawyer]

Had a 262 way back when. It was a great saw. Some nice finds you are getting.

[donbj]

Had a 262 way back when. It was a great saw. Some nice finds you are getting.

Yes, they are great saws. Mine I bought new in 96 still goes strong. Now I have good parts for it or may dig into the cyl/piston and see if it can be put back in running order

[DHansen]

Wow, what a great day you had.  All from one place?  

[donbj]

Yes all from one fellow. He sent a photo of them on the floor in his shop but couldn't really make them all out except the top of the 298, that gave it away as there was no manual oiler visible. The 298, both 480's and the Jonsered 2050 all fired up. the others have spark but not good compression. Not bad for $300 for the lot

[donbj]

Had to put a starter pawl spring in and notice the jimmied on muffler. A squirt down the carb and a bit of fuel in the tank and the 298 fired up on the third pull.
298XP Start up - YouTube

[donbj]

Looks like I mis ID'd this saw. 285, not 298. So similar some of these. Sat it beside the 285 I have in the shed and thought hmm, better dig a bit. Cylinder numbers showed the proof.