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« on: March 17, 2013, 09:48:28 AM »
I fond this old girl on cl last week.One day i hope to be able to provide something more than just rough sawn lumber .This thing is much larger than i thought when i was researching them.It is 5 ft wide and almost 5 ft tall.Now whether to go 3 phase,(expensive),or converter ?

 
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« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2013, 10:15:35 AM »
She sure looks like a dandy, good find...


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« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2013, 11:15:57 AM »
   Nice looking machine! Is it a 180? They have a decent reputation.
   I have an assortment of old 3 phase machines, all run off a 25hp home-made converter. The cost of grid 3 phase was prohibitive, and the converter only cost a couple hundred to build.

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Re: old ironI
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2013, 11:20:14 AM »
You'll find that Powermatic made a great planer back when that machine was made.  I've owned 2 from that era, and recently sold a PM 160 planer that I re-worked.

Yours looks well taken care of, complete with grinding bar.  Also, that little handle on the right side of the feed table is the micro-adjust.  You will love that, as you can use it to take a very light, finish cut while maintaining your original thickness setting, just by moving that lever up and down. 

A good score.....What size is it?

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« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2013, 11:31:20 AM »
Alan and Jeff it's a 225 model and thanks for the tip on the micro adjust lever.This machine is a 10hp with a 5 hp feed.I have a 25 hp 3 phase edger that i need to put to work.They wont be running at the same time.Is my thinking correct that to make a  converter you need more hp on the motor that's making up your third leg than the total of what you are using.My max would be 25.Would i need to find a 30 hp motor to build this?
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« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2013, 12:04:06 PM »
   25hp is a lot for a rotary phase converter, but I think a 30hp idler should get you by.
   The largest machine I run from my 25hp converter is a 7.5hp table saw, so I don't really know for sure how much extra hp you will need. If you find a lager motor for your converter, get it.
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Re: old iron
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2013, 12:51:26 PM »
I wonder if it would make sense to find a used 3 phase generator to power it?
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« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2013, 01:30:29 PM »
Since both motors on the planer start with little or no load, I think that you will find 20-25 HP on the idler sufficient.  The Practical Machinist web site has an excellent assortment of the various wiring diagrams for rotary phase converters.  Get the help and advice of someone who has built and used an RPC, as many licensed electricians know little or nothing of how they work.  You will get lots of opinions on what is good and not so good, but you will be best served by an RPC that has a capacitor start circuit.    Regards, Clark

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« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2013, 01:33:03 PM »
i think a converter would be better than a generator.  bibby runs a pretty large one and has good things to say.  maybe he'll chime in with some sizing.  otherwise you can probably find a bit of info with a search.

good score btw!!
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Re: old iron
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2013, 02:37:44 PM »
Slider

You are thinking correctly regarding size of your converter.  FLA (fully loaded amps) is part of the equation, but some types of machines are more difficult to start than others.  I have a 10 hp RPC that I built myself using an American Rotary panel kit and my own 10 hp motor.  I saved a lot of money that way, and got a unit that is balanced very well.  I can start 7.5 hp motors without issue.

A planer is not that hard at start up, but I don't know anything about an edger.

American Rotary has excellent customer service, and if you call them, they will tell you exactly what you need for that edger based on it's load capacity readings off the motor plate.

Nice 24" planer.  Now you just need a 24" jointer to go with it!!   8) 8)

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« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2013, 07:19:06 AM »
Thanks for the advice all.This project is going to take some time but now i'm headed in the right direction,and you are correct Jeff a big edger is next . I just have to save up and be patient .
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Re: old iron
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2013, 07:19:45 AM »
I can't answer your power questions but I will say good score on the planer.
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« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2013, 07:36:01 AM »
Our converter is store bought. Ronk is the brand. They recommend 2X the size than the largest motor you plan to start.  Our unit is 50hp. Mill runs 25hp and edge 15. Pump unit 7.5.
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« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2013, 07:58:46 AM »
Great looking hunk of iron.
I converted my Bridgewood 20" from 5 hp single to 10 hp 3 ph. for the head and 5 hp single feed
My converter is a 25 Marathon US made with a bank of capacitors.
I bought this on line 10 yrs ago for about 400.
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Re: old iron
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2013, 08:03:28 AM »
She is looking sweet, Al!
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