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Seeking cedar strips
« on: April 15, 2021, 11:30:53 PM »
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I am seeking cedar strips to install as a headliner in my 1953 Willys station wagon.  Rather than the usual cloth I was thinking the look of cedar would fit the idea of my truck.  Think something like a cedar strip canoe seven foot by thirteen feet in size.  Any ideas or thoughts would be welcome.

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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2021, 08:47:05 AM »
Maybe move to WTB or post question in wood working section for ideas?

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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2021, 09:06:42 AM »
do you need material or are you looking for ideas on fabrication and installation?  any pic of inside roof of the car.
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Re: Seeking cedar strips
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2021, 09:23:25 AM »
@Patrick NC   ???

   Is this up your alley? Howdy might even write up the details and make you famous. :D
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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2021, 02:22:14 PM »
@Patrick NC   ???

   Is this up your alley? Howdy might even write up the details and make you famous. :D
I'd love to saw it although shipping could be a problem. 😁
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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2021, 01:16:11 AM »
 

 
Here is something like what I want,  think a cedar strip canoe seven feet by thirteen feet without the ribs showing.

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« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2021, 01:32:57 AM »
Here's what the roof looks like without a covering... I am thinking about ribs next to the sheet metal and strips below the ribs. That way I end up with the strips visible and the ribs hidden.


 

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« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2021, 01:36:12 AM »
I welcome ideas of how to construct the headliner but what I need is the cedar itself.  The more colorful the better. 

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« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2021, 01:44:20 AM »
well, I must be missing something here . . . . 
You're living in the land of Western Red Cedar, and a two inch thick board on a table saw fitted with a ripping blade ( for a smooth finish and less sanding) will get you a whole lot of strips in short order.
A boat club could get you the name of any number of boat restoration/build shops that could supply you with the cedar strips, ready to go. 
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« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2021, 08:00:33 AM »
so are you looking for ERC?  Wow on the pics.  If you plan on a great stereo and sub woofer, you will need a tight installation to avoid annoying vibration.  I would be fitting it strip by strip to the ceiling running front to back.  glue and pinning each one from the side.  you want it thin for weight and flexibility, but thick enough to edge glue.  I have never done this.  @tule peak timber has done all kinds of crazy stuff.  we have cedar that get thrown away.  I am surely not the closest, but if I ship you something, we will need to share some with the FF.
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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2021, 08:58:15 AM »
boats are usually made I guess from WRC.  the ERC tends to have knots and pitch pocket.  it looks pretty, but would be hard to bend to a form for a boat.  but could work in your project.  looks like a birch plywood on the doors, and oak on the floor.   would oak work for your headliner, or some other local species?
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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2021, 10:18:30 AM »
Been a while since I've seen a post from you.  Was hoping for one of your entertaining stories.  However, this looks to be a great project! I look forward to your story. 

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« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2021, 10:36:18 AM »
Take a look at a  Freud 99-472 bit set for your project. Keep in mind that if you use cedar, when your vehicle sits in the summer sun it's going to reek of insecticide with WRC or Eastern Red Cedar. If you use Deodar Cedar, it will smell like flowers. Personally I would look at redwood, spruce or alder; all easy to work with in the application you want without the strong odors. Just my .02$
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« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2021, 02:07:46 PM »
Thank you all for your wisdom.  Different species of wood is well worth looking to.  I wish the look of wood, a variation of colors and something easy to work with.  Long strips and gentle curves with beauty of clear wood is the goal.

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« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2021, 10:28:56 PM »
What about Northern White Cedar?
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« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2021, 11:41:51 PM »
Every cedar strip canoe I have ever seen was made from white cedar, and it was usually hanging on a wall for fear of putting it into the water. 
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« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2021, 12:10:25 AM »
Every cedar strip canoe I have ever seen was made from white cedar, and it was usually hanging on a wall for fear of putting it into the water.
Dat said, I don't think he plans on water dat deep for his Willies.  :D :D :D
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« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2021, 04:46:04 AM »
boats are usually made I guess from WRC.  the ERC tends to have knots and pitch pocket.  it looks pretty, but would be hard to bend to a form for a boat.  but could work in your project.  looks like a birch plywood on the doors, and oak on the floor.   would oak work for your headliner, or some other local species?
Here in New Brunswick they have traditionally been made of northern white cedar. And yes, need clear wood, which means old growth cedar. Some areas here they get to be 36" diameter. Many places a 16" one is a big one. The larger ones grow in with hardwoods.
Bill Miller from Nicatau, New Brunswick is 3rd generation canvas backed canoe maker, the ribs are all northern white cedar. He steam bends his wood. I've seen school projects as well using just white cedar, and no canvas. I have one of Bill's father's canoes, my grandfather was a guide outfitter who fished for salmon from a canoe most of his life. Bill has been 50 years at canoe making. He's working on one now for a couple in Ontario who have this idea of canoing back home in it, up the St Lawrence. Bill is 77 now. Western red cedar is pricey stuff. A small local run magazine has an article on him, "Ageless NB" is the magazine. There were 2 other canoe makers here in NB at one time. Lennon Canoe and the world famous Chestnut Canoe, those two are gone from history. Bill Miller bought the last canoe made by Chestnut in the late 70's, he's lived and worked in many places. He has some of their moulds. The Chestnut can handle low water well, with a wider bottom than most, so it road higher in the water.
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From where that boat is sitting to the opposite shore is 12' deep water. Water there is clear and deceiving.





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« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2021, 05:19:31 AM »
I hope someone come through with some kind of cedar. I want to see the finished product. ;D
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« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2021, 03:24:29 PM »
I wish that your journey(s) was bringing you back through here.  We would saw you whatever ERC that you wanted/needed. 
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« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2021, 02:45:27 PM »
I would choose redwood given your location. Do table sawn strips and attach as makes sense to the van ceiling. Could easily do a half lap joint using a common router bit to assist with coverage and an easy install. 
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« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2021, 07:00:07 AM »
We can supply clear cedar in lengths up to 8'.  For long lengths we can supply, but will have some small knots if we have time to grade.
Shipping is not a problem, but might be a little expensive.
If you have a place than can put the lumber in a kiln and heat it to 150 degrees or more, you can drive the oils off, reducing the aroma somewhat.  coating the wood on all sides will hold a lot of the oils in place.
If you have a final material list.  Thickness, widths, lengths, and whether planed or left with band sawn texture, I will be happy to quote.
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« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2021, 11:08:29 PM »
Thank you for the information, suggestions, and offers.  

I am converting surface rust, priming, and painting everything now, and will be getting the engine in before I worry about finishing the interior.  Trying to find an engine is not easy unless you have a big budget.  I am trying to find a LM7 (5.3l chevy or GM engine) with an automatic trans. but if that proves to be too expensive my mechanic suggests I go old school with a 350ci.  whichever I find first that I can afford will win the bet.

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« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2021, 09:13:24 AM »
Converting rust, with Ospho or something similar?

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« Reply #24 on: May 11, 2021, 01:36:33 AM »
yep, Ospho then priming.
Looks good and seems to do the job.


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