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Started by doc henderson, January 29, 2023, 01:57:02 PM

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doc henderson

Well I have got a few of my great uncle Bills things.  he was a motor pool master sergeant in the army, went on to work at a Pontiac dealership over 30 years.  worked for the county to have income and something to do after that.  always worked on stuff for neighbors and friends, family.  usually put more time and parts in it than he would ever charge.  most of the time it was 20 bucks.  He built a log splitter with all kinds of used parts, but his son Mike made first class parts at the manufacturing place he worked.  and Bill sold it (gave it away) for 150 bucks.  He made a jig to straiten crankshafts on vertical engines, and made extras for the likes of a John Deere repair shop, and only charged the 50 bucks.  any way he passed on a hand crank forge mounted on an old washing machine base that I love.  His daughter just brought me an old gas engine and saw blade to add to my collection.  so I thought we could show the old stuff that has been passed down to us from folks that mean a lot to us.  



 

 

 

 

 

sounds like this company started before 1900, and went on to have brands like Tecumseh (pronounced ta-cum-see by my great uncle), toro, craftsman etc.  looks like a 2 hp four stroke engine.

Timber king 2000, 277c track loader, PJ 32 foot gooseneck, 1976 F700 state dump truck, JD 850 tractor.  2007 Chevy 3500HD dually, home built log splitter 18 horse 28 gpm with 5 inch cylinder and 32 inch split range with conveyor powered by a 12 volt tarp motor

Chuck White

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With basic mechanical skills and the ability to read you can maintain a Woodmizer  LT40!

doc henderson

here is the saw blade.  feels sharp.  maybe for a saw buck.  I know my dad did a lot of firewood off the back of a tractor, I assume pto driven.  he was the oldest of 11, and his dad had polio, so he worked like a man from a young age.



 

 
Timber king 2000, 277c track loader, PJ 32 foot gooseneck, 1976 F700 state dump truck, JD 850 tractor.  2007 Chevy 3500HD dually, home built log splitter 18 horse 28 gpm with 5 inch cylinder and 32 inch split range with conveyor powered by a 12 volt tarp motor

moodnacreek

That Lawson, I have one that looks like that except it is a lever start.

doc henderson

Mood, any guess what the blade was for?  it is very sharp.  My great uncle Bill was not much of a wall hanger guy.  
Timber king 2000, 277c track loader, PJ 32 foot gooseneck, 1976 F700 state dump truck, JD 850 tractor.  2007 Chevy 3500HD dually, home built log splitter 18 horse 28 gpm with 5 inch cylinder and 32 inch split range with conveyor powered by a 12 volt tarp motor

KWH

Doc, I am not Mood, only to well. I spent many of days looking at a blade like that. It was on what we called a cordwood saw. It was belt driven on the back of a ford 8N. My dad would cut wood in 6 to 8 foot pieces then when seasoned in the fall and winter use that to cut it shorter.  My great grandparents powered one with a one luger. That was be for chainsaws, my dad's first saw was a reciprocating saw. 

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moodnacreek

It is a cross cut blade most likely off a buzz saw. They are very common but rarely filed that nice Someone knew what they where doing. 

WV Sawmiller

   I saw lots of them in use in Norway for cutting firewood. They'd drag a bunch of small, nearly always Birch logs, to a landing and hook up a saw like that to a tractor PTO and use roller tables to move it to a pallet bag/box and sell it by the cubic meter. The logs were rarely over 4-5 inches in diameter and they cut them about a foot long. Nothing about the operation looked safe or appealing to me.
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Resonator

Under bark there's boards and beams, somewhere in between.
Cuttin' while its green, through a steady sawdust stream.
I'm chasing the sawdust dream.

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Resonator

The real old "buzz saws" around here were belt driven. Sometimes mounted to the front end of a narrow (wheel) front tractor, like a "Johnny popper" or a Farmall. I don't think they ever came with blade guards. :o
Under bark there's boards and beams, somewhere in between.
Cuttin' while its green, through a steady sawdust stream.
I'm chasing the sawdust dream.

Proud owner of a Wood-Mizer 2017 LT28G19

moodnacreek

Most did not have gards but not all. Real old ones would be babbit bearing and have a flywheel on the mandrel. The better ones had a 'yoked' mandrel. New Holland made nice ball bearing models for tractor fronts, flat belt driven. Last I knew they where still made for 3 point hitch, pto driven in Canada . You will find these along the northern border. The mini chainsaw pretty much finished the buzz saw.

doc henderson

yes, I think that is what my dad used at a young age.  it had a table for the log and you pushed the table and log into the blade.  it cut logs off and made into firewood.   My Dad and his family sold it or did it for others more than themselves.  they were poor.  my dad was born in 35.  He was the oldest and had a milk route before school and a paper route after school, and gave all the money to his mom.  My gampy had polio as a child.  played anything with strings, was in bands, and drank quite a bit.  My grandma paid the pediatrician 2 dollars a month.  I have never turned anyone to collections as a pediatrician, in part due to knowing that.  Out of 11 kids, one died at birth and another died diving off a bridge and hitting a submerged log.  my Dad was in the army and flown home.  after that, my uncle Duck (Donald) got meaner than hell, and although small (about 5 foot 2 inches) he would beat 3 guys to the  point that his friends would pull him off for fear he might kill someone.  those were hard times.
Timber king 2000, 277c track loader, PJ 32 foot gooseneck, 1976 F700 state dump truck, JD 850 tractor.  2007 Chevy 3500HD dually, home built log splitter 18 horse 28 gpm with 5 inch cylinder and 32 inch split range with conveyor powered by a 12 volt tarp motor

doc henderson

I never saw it as it was well before my time, but I think it was on the 3 point at the rear of a ford, and I assume it ran off the pto.  I know I would not let my son run one at the age my dad did, but they needed food and rent.  every town has a farm house at the edge of town, with no paint on the siding and those were the houses my dad grew up in.   :snowball:
Timber king 2000, 277c track loader, PJ 32 foot gooseneck, 1976 F700 state dump truck, JD 850 tractor.  2007 Chevy 3500HD dually, home built log splitter 18 horse 28 gpm with 5 inch cylinder and 32 inch split range with conveyor powered by a 12 volt tarp motor

sawguy21

@moodnacreek Yours probably powered a washing machine, the lever or kickstart allowed the missus to operate it. The comments here give a great insight into the world some of you grew up in, quite different than mine.
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Magicman

I was young and dumb once but I got over being young a long time ago.
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It's Weird being the Same Age as Old People

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moodnacreek

Quote from: sawguy21 on January 29, 2023, 10:44:57 PM
@moodnacreek Yours probably powered a washing machine, the lever or kickstart allowed the missus to operate it. The comments here give a great insight into the world some of you grew up in, quite different than mine.
I hadn't thought of it being off a washer. It was put away in a dry basement for a long time and when the place was sold, given to me. It had spark so I put gas in it, saw no leaks, choked and pulled the lever and away she went! That little engine had never seen gas with alcohol that ruins white metal like today.

GAB

My dad used one of those pulley driven cordwood saws on the back of his Ferguson TO-20 to sharpen fence posts for fence building and mending on the farm.  To say they were dangerous is being very polite.  Today OSHA would write a whole book of revisions needed to use one of those, and then it would be dangerous.
GAB
W-M LT40HDD34, SLR, JD 420, JD 950w/loader and Woods backhoe, V3507 Fransguard winch, Cordwood Saw, 18' flat bed trailer, and other toys.

trapper

At first a neighbor came with one and a crew would gather to cut our winters wood.  When that ended my father bought a blade from me Menominee saw a sponsor here and a local blacksmith made a free standing rig belt powered by a tractor.  This was 65 years ago.
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doc henderson

thanks all.  please feel free to add your stuff to the thread.  I will post the forge I got.  Mary Jo has a couple more saw blades.  I think you can still buy new "buzz saws"  for a few hundred buck as recently as 5 years ago.  I did not rush out to get one.  A PA I worked with told me her husband had one for sale, but when I spoke with him, I do not think he was as motivated to sell it as his wife was.   :)  Yes the saw buck was the wrong term.  
Timber king 2000, 277c track loader, PJ 32 foot gooseneck, 1976 F700 state dump truck, JD 850 tractor.  2007 Chevy 3500HD dually, home built log splitter 18 horse 28 gpm with 5 inch cylinder and 32 inch split range with conveyor powered by a 12 volt tarp motor

Paul_H

3 weeks ago today I bought this old buzz saw for $50 and set about straightening the metal that could be and replacing three pieces that were twisted beyond reasonable effort. It had babbit bearings and thought about using them but the pulley side was worn too far and replaced them with roller bearings and pillow blocks. The saw is in good shape for set and sharpness. It will be used to cut small logs for woodgas fuel



Bearings not mounted yet



There is a company in Vermont that still makes these

Vermont Woodsman Buzz Saw (newhavenpower.com)
Science isn't meant to be trusted it's to be tested

moodnacreek

There are still a few saw makers left. They will make any size circle saw up to 72" dia. My slab woos saw takes a 30" and I did have one new one made a few years ago. I like the M style that has no hook angle and made thick, 8 or 9 ga. They will do carbide also. With the automation in machine shops today saws are made better than years back.

hedgerow

I have owned and operated several buzz saws, cord wood saws over the last forty years. First one was a stake down one ran with a G JD tractor and a flat belt. Had a few with PTO shafts and gear boxes on the saw with V belts. One I currently use I built from scratch has a 13 HP Honda engine on it. Guy gave me one a few years ago that his brother used for years and hadn't ran in thirty years been sitting in a barn and the farm got sold.  It's a trailer type with a Wisconsin two cylinder engine on it. Uses garage door track for the table slider. I fixed it all up and painted it. 

moodnacreek

Quote from: hedgerow on January 30, 2023, 03:44:25 PM
I have owned and operated several buzz saws, cord wood saws over the last forty years. First one was a stake down one ran with a G JD tractor and a flat belt. Had a few with PTO shafts and gear boxes on the saw with V belts. One I currently use I built from scratch has a 13 HP Honda engine on it. Guy gave me one a few years ago that his brother used for years and hadn't ran in thirty years been sitting in a barn and the farm got sold.  It's a trailer type with a Wisconsin two cylinder engine on it. Uses garage door track for the table slider. I fixed it all up and painted it.
A JD G on a buzz saw.....  Reminds me of a farmer friend I used to take slab wood to. In cold weather he had this little 3 pt. hitch log splitter on a JD 4040 or something, 6 cylinder. He said that was the one that always started. Only a farmer.

Chuck White

The really dangerous ones are the 3-point hitch ones mounted on 8N and similar tractors.

The operation is not the most dangerous part, it's when the saw is raised that's bad!

The 3-point hitch arms won't raise unless the pto is engaged, which means that the blade will be spinning while the buzz saw is being raised.

Now, if you're sitting squarely in the drivers seat that blade will strike you in the right shoulder when it gets near the top of the lift cycle.

ALWAYS use caution when raising one of these saws.
~Chuck~  Cooks Cat Claw sharpener and single tooth setter.  2018 Chevy Silverado and 2021 Subaru Ascent.
With basic mechanical skills and the ability to read you can maintain a Woodmizer  LT40!

beenthere

Thinking that is not possible..

This is a Ford 9n, and don't see how the blade will reach one's shoulder. But do not see it raised either.
Sawing Wood With The 1940 9N Ford Tractor And Dearborn Buzz Saw, Part 2 - YouTube

Another Ford showing the blade used toward the end of the video. Again, not raised but don't see it reaching the shoulder if raised. Maybe if the top arm is not adjusted right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4In2gpyv4yg


crosscutting and also with the grain with buzz saw. Talks about sharpening.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKKcyKxu7aQ
south central Wisconsin
It may be that my sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others

Chuck White

Well, I do know that what I've stated in the previous post is a fact.

Due to the short length of the "top link", when raised the saw goes up fast and if you're in the position you would be in if you were driving the tractor, you would be hit by the blade.

Also, keep in mind that the older buzz saws didn't have a blade guard!

I also don't know if the 9N pto has to be engaged for the lift to work, but the 8N like we had, had to be engaged to lift the saw.
~Chuck~  Cooks Cat Claw sharpener and single tooth setter.  2018 Chevy Silverado and 2021 Subaru Ascent.
With basic mechanical skills and the ability to read you can maintain a Woodmizer  LT40!

moodnacreek

A little off subject but if a pto tractor shaft ever lets go on the implement  end and there is a person on the seat they may be killed. This does happen. Once while standing next to my skidding winch this happened and I was afraid to disengage it.

doc henderson

We have pto deaths here in KS and it is often unsupervised children near the equipment.
Timber king 2000, 277c track loader, PJ 32 foot gooseneck, 1976 F700 state dump truck, JD 850 tractor.  2007 Chevy 3500HD dually, home built log splitter 18 horse 28 gpm with 5 inch cylinder and 32 inch split range with conveyor powered by a 12 volt tarp motor

Don P

My 35 had short or long arms, mine has short arms. In travel position with a short top link you can about put the groceries in your lap. I think it was a year model change somewhere but I've assumed it had to do with capacity. I know if you get a replacement wrong it doesn't hitch up well at all.

Having felt a truck driveshaft wanting to spank my bottom I think if a pto let go it'd have to beat itself to death with me watching from a distance.

GAB

Quote from: Chuck White on January 31, 2023, 07:51:41 AM
Well, I do know that what I've stated in the previous post is a fact.

Due to the short length of the "top link", when raised the saw goes up fast and if you're in the position you would be in if you were driving the tractor, you would be hit by the blade.

Also, keep in mind that the older buzz saws didn't have a blade guard!

I also don't know if the 9N pto has to be engaged for the lift to work, but the 8N like we had, had to be engaged to lift the saw.
Mr. White:  Now that you mentioned it the Ferguson TO-20 was the same way.  PTO had to be on for the 3 pth to function.  The ferguson had a light mounted on the right rear fender and when dad raised the saw he modified the light housing and glass.  
GAB
W-M LT40HDD34, SLR, JD 420, JD 950w/loader and Woods backhoe, V3507 Fransguard winch, Cordwood Saw, 18' flat bed trailer, and other toys.

beenthere

Ford 9n was pre-war, the 2n was during the war, and the 8n post war (II). As a farm kid in the 50's and working firewood around several of the buzz saws on 3pt Fords, never heard of raising one being a problem. Always learning tho. Logging in the 60's with an 8n Ford, knew quite well the need to have PTO operating to raise the 3ph lifting arms.



 
south central Wisconsin
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hedgerow

Quote from: moodnacreek on January 30, 2023, 06:14:30 PM

A JD G on a buzz saw.....  Reminds me of a farmer friend I used to take slab wood to. In cold weather he had this little 3 pt. hitch log splitter on a JD 4040 or something, 6 cylinder. He said that was the one that always started. Only a farmer.
Some days you use what you have. Back then I farmed with the G and a 3010 diesel. I used to have a friend {passed away} that ran his three point splitter on a JD 4440. He used what he had. He farmed with two JD 4440's. He didn't want any small engine to take care of. 

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