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F.F. pavilion build.
« on: June 05, 2020, 01:00:32 PM »
Do we have any members near me making 6/4 t@g for visible sheeting on a pavilion?    I need to purchase about 300 square feet. Problem is the length. My structure is 16' with one foot overhangs. So 18 feet is perfect, everything else is waste. My rafters are 3.5  by 7.25 on 4ft centers, so nothing comes out right with out waste.

I can special order it from menards is the only place I can find it, and I really really REALLY don't want to do business with Menards.

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Re: in need of 6/4 t@g pine or spruce
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2020, 02:06:35 PM »
I don't have anything like that Jeff. But I am glad you read, understand and agree to the terms of a Forestry Forum ad😁 
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Re: in need of 6/4 t@g pine or spruce
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2020, 05:17:36 PM »
If you can figure a way to make the shipping economical I have the capacity to make it. 
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Re: in need of 6/4 t@g pine or spruce
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2020, 05:29:45 PM »
Man, thats a long ways for what, less  than 500 bf.

My brain isn't  working, but wouldn't 9s and 10s work without a bunch of waste?

End rafters are 5.5x7.25s. Others are 3.5 by 7.35 at 4 foot centers. 1 ft overhang

Roof area per side, 18 x 8'1.5"



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Re: in need of 6/4 t@g pine or spruce
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2020, 05:38:59 PM »
That's what I'd do.  Stagger the laps.  Trim the ends after they're all on.  You just sounded like you were set on using full length.  Plus you've got nice wide rafters so laps would have plenty of purchase and be easier to nail than lapping on a standard 1.5" rafter.  Easy peasy.

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Re: in need of 6/4 t@g pine or spruce
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2020, 05:46:03 PM »
The amish product is 8'  That just dont work out. To expensive to gave a bunch of drops.
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Re: in need of 6/4 t@g pine or spruce
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2020, 05:51:40 PM »
can you mill the boards and have the Amish guys (if nearby) mill the tongue and groove?  or do a ship lap or spline on your saw?
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Re: in need of 6/4 t@g pine or spruce
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2020, 06:00:33 PM »
Yeah. 8s and 10s could work, but not with the current rafter spacing. Any standard length would still leave a lot of waste. Ive adjusted my rafter spacing a few times to make the material work out better. Maybe add 1 rafter. Pick spacing starting with the two middle rafters. Ive even spaced them a little different on the two outside rafters to make it work. Should have a lookout on the overhangs anyway, so visually it can work. Maybe the look of the equal spacing is a must have. Maybe not. Just personal preference. Set the sail or sail the set?  Yes. (Sailing reference.  Stink-potters wouldnt get that. . . )
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Re: in need of 6/4 t@g pine or spruce
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2020, 06:11:22 PM »
14' & 5' (10' cut in half) would only be 1' of waste per row. If I figured that right.

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Re: in need of 6/4 t@g pine or spruce
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2020, 08:24:55 PM »
I think the decking should be dried, and I dont have the logs to saw that out.
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Re: in need of 6/4 t@g pine or spruce
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2020, 08:48:11 PM »
If you plan to run long a little extra is good.  Only 6 inches on each end and a nice fresh cut.  could even make the over hand 18 inches and or taper from 12 inches at the edge to 18 inches at the top to add some visual interest... not that it will need any more.  just ideas from another guy who hates to waste much.  I know they have little hardware gadgets for deck floors, any chance you can use reg. 2 x 6 lumber with fasteners to keep the boards even across the span between the rafters?
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Re: in need of 6/4 t@g pine or spruce
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2020, 09:33:08 PM »
Its more about the look I think. I dont thing there would be much sag in 45 inch span on 6/4 but shrinkage could create funky gaps in time.
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Re: in need of 6/4 t@g pine or spruce
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2020, 08:46:13 AM »
Yeah, you get to choose the look.  That's what counts in the long run.  There are ways to get there, just a matter of finding the way that suits you.  In the end, having a bunch of waste may be the best choice, even though most of us like to minimize the wasted material.  Might actually be cheaper or at least acceptable. 

I wonder if @DonP has seen this post.  This is right up his alley.

That structure looks like a good place to have a pig to pick on.
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Re: in need of 6/4 t@g pine or spruce
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2020, 08:58:15 AM »
I've seen it ... I drew Jeff's current problem :D

Y'all have hit all my solutions. TF is nice but wider spacings can be a problem for efficient material use. I even tried that 19.2 and 24" spacing in regular framing and came to the conclusion that in the end they were not really saving anything unless you do very careful planning of everything.

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Re: in need of 6/4 t@g pine or spruce
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2020, 09:04:20 AM »
Ha.  I should've known you had something to do with this.

I like the bracing.  What is it?  Repurposed stuff already on hand?  Or . . .

One other thought hit me:  Wider overhangs on the end.  May help with material usage, or at least the waste becomes part of the roof.  I've chosen 1ft overhang before because it looked generous on the drawing.  After it was done, I looked up and wished it was longer.  Just food for thought.
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Re: in need of 6/4 t@g pine or spruce
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2020, 10:40:07 AM »
I had thought the same thing on the overhangs, just dangle it out there and pick a happy point. If Jeff were only closer, I'm just up on a tea break from dropping pine, could make em any length. I'll let him fill you in on the bracing I was just curious on what you thought of the look. I used to think I had perfect taste, that has been challenged before :D

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Re: in need of 6/4 t@g pine or spruce
« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2020, 11:56:57 AM »
In going to move this topic to the tf and log building board and use it for the build topic. Im getting stuff scattered and dont want to be reported and or punished.
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Riteleg is the hero on the bracing. I called Tamiam and she grabbed Kevin. I gave them my idea, they ran with it and sent me a pdf, I sent back my tweeks and we were golden.  They were cut out this past week. Just need bent welded and powder coated.

I was contacted by a guy this morning that wants some year old red pine sawn and may want to saw on shares. Its on longer lengths. This may be my answer to the sheeting.

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« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2020, 12:03:39 PM »
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Re: Renamed: F.F. pavilion build.
« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2020, 03:20:08 PM »
I don't  know if this is a thing, but I decided to put handkebare on my post to guide it in the hole and to be able to adjust it easily. I just moved them to each posts.  I am within 1/16 max measurement measuring at ground, or top, post to post and diagonally.  Now I have to level the tops and it will be ready for the first beam.  I'll raise my beams with an elevator I will make from harbor freight crank boat winches.
 

 

  
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