Lumber prices too high

[moodnacreek]

Red Oak and Walnut both dropped in all grades and thicknesses this week in the HMR. Maple and Ash continue to rise. Bizarre for Maple to climb going into "stain season".

I always wondered how they buy, truck, sort and saw fast enough to keep it white.

[SwampDonkey]

I've seen veneer maple in Columbia's yard where they kept it watered to keep them from drying and staining. But most of the maple for veneer we moved was winter cut, significant volumes were often cut on 4 woodlots to get a full load.

[PoginyHill]

Watering helps minimize stain in birch and maple, but it is still more of an issue in the summer than winter. 10ft logs are preferred for that reason to make 8ft veneer. The extra trim costs more, but the increase value in veneer recovery makes up for the 2ft of waste.

[nativewolf]

For the lumber products the mills here have almost all moved to dip tanks to prevent stain.  

[stavebuyer]

In the "stain season" we sawed HM every Monday and shipped that afternoon. We had a cabinet customer 1/2 mile down the road and still sometimes had stain issues.

Dipping Maple degrades the color. Many customers will not accept dipped lumber or watered logs. The lumber will be off-white or cream colored and not snow white.

[moodnacreek]

I tried spraying hard maple with the stuff I use on pine. It did not work so well. For me , being so small, white maple is too much work and worry while the colored woods are so forgiving.

[SwampDonkey]

Maple darkens anyway, just like white pine does. There might be a few finishes that slow the process, but it's going to darken. It will even darken between being kilned and stacked outside the kiln in a warehouse. Only time I've had white sugar maple was when it was cut from the stump and fresh sawed. By the time it air dried it darkens anyway. I might not have used trailer loads of it, but enough to know what happens, and it doesn't take years. 

[stavebuyer]

Softwood lumber futures dipped yesterday to 780/thous

Poplar and Red Oak both dropped across all grades and thickness again this week's HMR report.

"Bark Season" is upon us, and a full week's sunshine is in the forecast locally for the first time in a long while.

Sell it while you can.

[moodnacreek]

Fuel keeps going up.  Lumber will stop selling.

[SwampDonkey]

Random length futures shows over $1000 here.

There was an uptick in 2 x 4" price last week, to CDN$1400.

Utility and composite grade US$950

Western 2 x 4" US$1100

[SwampDonkey]

Random length futures dropped $84 today, to $920. Market price on 2 x 4 is no change, around CDN$1400.

[woodroe]

#2 1x12  pine selling for $3.00 FT at the local
lumber yard. Won't be buying any of that or anything else there for that matter.

[Mooseherder]

I bought some PT lumber today in northern Maine close to the Canadian border and deep into the Irving Kingdom.  ;D
It'll be delivered next week.  Hope it's nice.  The store owner said lucky me the price is down.  
#1  2x6x16=21.99
       2x6x10=12.99
      2x6x8=8.99
      2x10x16=37.99
       2×10×12=28.99

[SwampDonkey]

40 - 50% higher up here at Kent (Irving's flagship building centre). Probably cheaper in Yarmouth, NS, same store. :D

[Hilltop366]

I walked across the Kent lumber yard this week but never looked to see who's lumber they had but I can tell you for certain that at one time (4 or 5 years ago) there was not one stick of Irving lumber in the yard.

I made a comment to the store assistant manager while he was pricing up my list, he said that the Irving lumber rep asked him the same thing two weeks earlier to which he replied "your prices are too high".

[Mooseherder]

They delivered the lumber today.  Beautiful p.t. southern yellow pine.

[SwampDonkey]

Wasn't red pine? That's all we see here is red pine.

[SwampDonkey]

I walked across the Kent lumber yard this week but never looked to see who's lumber they had but I can tell you for certain that at one time (4 or 5 years ago) there was not one stick of Irving lumber in the yard.

I made a comment to the store assistant manager while he was pricing up my list, he said that the Irving lumber rep asked him the same thing two weeks earlier to which he replied "your prices are too high".

A lot here in their yards comes out of Quebec.

Meanwhile I drive by Crabbe's mill and their yard is stuffed full, their yard goes up over a hill to another level, you don't see half of the lumber piled up. All out in the rain and sun to. :D

[Southside]

What mill stamp is on that pine MH?

[customsawyer]

Can Red pine be pressure treated?

[Ianab]

Can Red pine be pressure treated?

From what I can see it takes pressure treatment same as most other pines, so Yes. 
It gets sold in the general SPF grade. 

[Don P]

Can Red pine be pressure treated?

From what I can see it takes pressure treatment same as most other pines, so Yes.
It gets sold in the general SPF grade.

Red pine can be mixed in the SPF(S), South, species group, it is not allowed in the general SPF species group. That's a strength issue. It does treat, but not as well as the southern yellow pines. Red pine is our only native relative of the european pine, pinus sylvestris, scots pine. I wouldn't be surprised to see SYP anywhere, it travels  .

[moodnacreek]

Always though red pine went for poles. It sure saws nice however.

[barbender]

 I thought Red Pine was more closely related to European Black Pine? 

 Red pine is one of our major commercial species up here. Primary uses are studs, treated lumber, pallet, and utility poles.

[Resonator]

X2. Around here red pine was planted like a row crop, the best trees are cut for utility poles. And for dimensional lumber it goes to Biewer sawmill in Prentice (WI), where they saw millions of board feet of it for the treating and construction industry.