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Re: Are Stihl saws always hard to start?
« Reply #40 on: June 13, 2021, 09:30:59 PM »
Amsoil can keep their raspberries😂 I do like their Sabre oil, but I sure don't run it at 100:1. 32:1 for me, no fouling either. 
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Re: Are Stihl saws always hard to start?
« Reply #41 on: June 13, 2021, 10:15:50 PM »
I was being a goofball before, but on the serious side, some of this is often the case of guys getting older and not being able to to snap the rope as quick as they used to. And looking at the age of some of the posters, I wonder if that's part of it. Please don't anyone get offended. But this happens quite frequently in the shop. Often with someone I've known for years. Natural to think it must be the saw, but blanket statements suggesting everything a company makes being hard to start means we ought to look at the bigger picture.

Ignition coils need certain RPM's to fire at all. Traditionally, most saws would fire at about 1400-1500 RPM's. Less than that and there's just no spark. Some newer coils fire at 700 RPM's. This is the deal on some of the newer Huskys without a deco on them. Decos have their own downside in that they make the saw easier to pull, but now you're trying to start a saw with minimal compression. A problem that's worse with both new saws that aren't broken in and older saws that might be getting tired.

One thing we can't see here is anyone attempting to start a saw. When I run into this at the store, I usually ask a customer to "show me how you start it". It's then obvious if they are struggling to pull the starter rope. Then I have to diplomatically explain what's going on. As I'm almost 65 myself, I say "we" when talking about getting old. Can't just start the saw and embarrass the guy.

This is something to consider as we get older, among a whole list of things we'll all be dealing with. Part of life.
Yes, for sure! And I can only toss a non starter 30' now vs 50' back in my younger days! :D 
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Re: Are Stihl saws always hard to start?
« Reply #42 on: June 14, 2021, 10:14:42 AM »
With our church volunteer group's ms261cm the guy that runs it nearly always when the saw is cold, when he cranks it, immediately, and I mean as quick as he can, he pulls the throttle.  Most of the time it shuts down. It has to run a little bit before it will run and cut.  The saw is still fairly new, not more than 6-7 tanks through it.  
   He also has trouble cranking the ms250's, and ms 361, like a lot of people, he can't tell when it 'pops", and keeps choking it till it''s hopelessly flooded.

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Re: Are Stihl saws always hard to start?
« Reply #43 on: June 14, 2021, 10:28:36 AM »
Out of the couple Stihl saws I have the only decent starting one is a 500i I donít think Iíve pulled on the cord more the. 5 times to get it to start since day one. The 462 is ok just requires a lot more pulls even with the cylinder primed it also seems like itís more sensitive to how long it sits vs my Huskies Iíve ran previously.

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Re: Are Stihl saws always hard to start?
« Reply #44 on: June 14, 2021, 12:51:23 PM »
My MS461 was always a hard starter when cold.  About 8-10 pulls, but only 1-2 after being warmed up.  

So far, my MS500i is a huge disappointment in the starting department.  It gets a lot harder to start as the temps rise.  Many, many pushes in the primer, and many start-miss-run-out-of-fuel misfires before it finally lights up and stays running.  I have tried every starting technique I can think of to get rid of this annoying issue.  I have already had it back to dealer who says "it checks out fine on our computer".  It's not fine and I am starting to get peeved - I expected much more from an CAN$1800.00 saw that was supposed to have "computer fuel injection".  Apparently I am not the only one with this issue with the MS500i.  There is a discussion going on in the other-forum-that-shall-not-be-named about exactly the same starting issues and symptoms. 

Best starting Stihl I have ever owned is my MS362.  That thing starts super easy, even when cold.  One pull once warmed up. 

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Re: Are Stihl saws always hard to start?
« Reply #45 on: June 14, 2021, 04:13:13 PM »
The only Stihl saw I have is a ms 251 .  No matter the temp it takes 3 pulls with the choke on , then one pull with it off to start cold. When warm it is one pull .  It has been that way for all the years and the many hundreds of hours I have used it. 

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Re: Are Stihl saws always hard to start?
« Reply #46 on: June 14, 2021, 08:54:04 PM »
Gotta love the original rhetorical question that began this thread..
Struck me as something one would hear like: "how come all Husky type of saw clutches have so many problems and issues and why haven't they changed the design?" or "why do all Echo tools need so much service, and why is so hard to get decent service - is it poor dealerships or bad parts availability?"
This all sounded and hit me as if it was one of those 'have you stopped beating up your wife yet?' type of questions meant to smear someone or in this case a brand with a wide brush with no means of logical response that sounds or seems valid..
I'm sure all types of saws (or any manner of yard and small utility equipment for that matter) have a wide range of users who have experienced various difficulties using or getting them to perform the way they expected when they first acquired them - some of those issues obviously stemming from an inability to properly read operator's manuals and/or follow instructions well, and some could be due to poorly set up equipment - possibly even from new..
But just maybe, many the expectations of those who use them are also unexpectedly higher than they should be in many cases, due to naivety or even advertising hype..
Just my own take on it obviously, but I have had experiences with many various brands of saws and a lot of other small equipment that gave me both fits and pleasures using, but seldom have I blamed the brand before I blamed the setup of the pieces themselves or the condition they were actually in by the time I got to use them!
Just say'n..

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« Reply #47 on: June 14, 2021, 11:55:05 PM »
Realzed.There were about 40 some different posts on here about starting chainsaws. That was my intent when I posted it. I gave away my old 700 McCoulloh when I bought my 066 because my neighbor needed a saw and it couldnt keep up with the Stihl.  That 700 would pop on the second pull and lots of the time I would get the choke in before it stopped. So excuse me for wondering if it was a thing with Stihls to take longer to crank. I do realize that the 700 carb was bolted to the block. The stihl carb is on a rubber hose about 2 and a half inches back from the block. That might be a factor.
But I reread your post and I still beat my wife when playing scrabble quite often. And I am not blaming Stihl. If I was I would be a hypocrite because the only kind of saws in my shed are Stihl 025,3-038s, 045, and an 066. I am kind of stuck on stihls. I bought the 066 new in 04 for 750 dollars.so I am sure it wasnt hurt.
I dont think you posted to try to help anybody. And you certainly didnt hurt me as I am used to posts like this one.
I do hope you have a nice day. Thank you.

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Re: Are Stihl saws always hard to start?
« Reply #48 on: June 15, 2021, 06:26:28 PM »
What's the definition of a hard to start saw? My Stihls I can get running in ≤5 pulls most times, doesn't matter how long they've been sitting. After warmed up, they're one pull starts. That's not as good as my echoes, especially the 2511t. About all it takes to start that is a stern look. I can sometimes start that in one pull cold if I'm fast turning the choke off. My echoes are small though, so it's not an apple-apple comparison.

How many pulls does it take before someone thinks "This saw starts hard"?

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« Reply #49 on: June 15, 2021, 07:11:32 PM »
My definition on a well tuned, no air leaks saw....excessive would be more than 5 pulls to start cold. If you're pulling your saw 10 times to start it cold, that's ridiculous and either a bad design or some problem in the saw itself. I wouldn't tolerate that and I run older saws.

In my mind, the newer saws should start better than older saws.....unless EPA requirements have messed that up.

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« Reply #50 on: June 15, 2021, 09:17:48 PM »
My definition on a well tuned, no air leaks saw....excessive would be more than 5 pulls to start cold. If you're pulling your saw 10 times to start it cold, that's ridiculous and either a bad design or some problem in the saw itself. I wouldn't tolerate that and I run older saws.

In my mind, the newer saws should start better than older saws.....unless EPA requirements have messed that up.

Kevin
I cycle my saws to keep them from sitting too long without running. After sitting a month and a half the 394 was running in three pulls. Two on choke and one to fire up. If I was quicker I could have had it on two if I got the choke pushed in in time. The two 2100's are the same within a pull or two. 181SE 3-4 tugs, Jonsered 820, 2065, 262XP average 5-6 pulls. I have a late 60's 65 series that fires up on 4-5 pulls.
The only running Stihl I have is an 034 Super that takes about a dozen or more to fire up. But once it fires up it is an awesome cutting saw, just harder to start.
I don't have the experience in this regard as many of you guys but the red ones seem to take off quicker.
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« Reply #51 on: June 15, 2021, 09:44:43 PM »
Never had a red saw , dont know why. Havent heard that much bad about them. My neighbor liked them. I have a 2004 model 066 stihl, my neighbor just bought one last year, my other neighbor has had one of the old flat top ones for ever and I believe the other one of his is a 754 an old saw. All of these saws takes 8 to 10 pulls no matter how cold. But you gotta luv em they really make sawdust.

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« Reply #52 on: June 16, 2021, 08:38:48 AM »
Well again it seems every saw has a personality .I have several large displacement saws that see very little action .As such rather than wear my arm out I give them a little prime on the first start which afterwards  they  fire right up .
Two identical saws Partner P-100 99 cc high compression no decomp .D-handles of course .One 3-4 pulls on choke one after choke off .Putt putt putt .The second same 3-4 with choke on  then set the throttle lock and one or two it's off and running .Both after a warm up one or two .I can live with that .
People complain about having a 3 cuber that won't start .Try that on a 6 cuber with a large bore Tillotson model HS carb that is designed to push a high fuel volume because it takes a lot of fuel for them to operate .As such there's fine line between starting and flooding .You do not want to flood a high displacement saw .


  

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« Reply #53 on: June 16, 2021, 10:05:43 AM »
My definition on a well tuned, no air leaks saw....excessive would be more than 5 pulls to start cold. If you're pulling your saw 10 times to start it cold, that's ridiculous and either a bad design or some problem in the saw itself. I wouldn't tolerate that and I run older saws.

In my mind, the newer saws should start better than older saws.....unless EPA requirements have messed that up.

Kevin
I cycle my saws to keep them from sitting too long without running. After sitting a month and a half the 394 was running in three pulls. Two on choke and one to fire up. If I was quicker I could have had it on two if I got the choke pushed in in time. The two 2100's are the same within a pull or two. 181SE 3-4 tugs, Jonsered 820, 2065, 262XP average 5-6 pulls. I have a late 60's 65 series that fires up on 4-5 pulls.
The only running Stihl I have is an 034 Super that takes about a dozen or more to fire up. But once it fires up it is an awesome cutting saw, just harder to start.
I don't have the experience in this regard as many of you guys but the red ones seem to take off quicker.
Exactly. All my old J'reds(80,90 910,621) and the Husky 2100 start in three pulls....if I'm quick with the choke when they spit, one less pull. My newer J'red 2094 starts around 3-5 pulls....but I need to run and practice starting with it more. It needs a carb kit too and an USC session. It had some hasty work done before I bought it. Fantastic saw though and I can't say enough good about it....finding parts...forgetaboutit....lol.  

While saws can have individual personalities, the same models are more alike than unlike. That's how I can tell for example, if a 2100 is tuned and running right.

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Re: Are Stihl saws always hard to start?
« Reply #54 on: June 16, 2021, 09:47:00 PM »
So far the 394 is the quickest start. Got a couple more coming my way.
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« Reply #55 on: June 17, 2021, 08:43:20 AM »
If mine become hard to start which they will with some age I find out why .The very first saw I ever bought ,a Poulan S25DA will still start in about 4-5 pulls after sitting  for two years .Fact ,perhaps just luck , I had the saw for 30 plus years before I needed to rebuild the carb .One carb rebuild, one clutch side seal and new fuel lines since 1974 .

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« Reply #56 on: June 17, 2021, 09:23:30 AM »
So far the 394 is the quickest start. Got a couple more coming my way.
Do tell!!

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« Reply #57 on: June 17, 2021, 09:48:45 PM »
Yep my stihls are hard to start. The 462 started on second pull this morning and the 400 took 3 pulls and that from not running sense yesterday . Have seen lots of times the 462 start on first pull

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« Reply #58 on: June 17, 2021, 09:56:22 PM »
So far the 394 is the quickest start. Got a couple more coming my way.
Do tell!!

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« Reply #59 on: June 18, 2021, 06:16:51 AM »
A little story from a few years back .Two dead ash trees about 30" in diameter ,two saws ,Stihl 038 mag, modified . Stock 700 McCulloch .In the course of the day in 90 plus degree weather bucked nearly 6 cords of wood with a helper .
Alternating between two saws of course the Stihl out gunned the old Mac .Quite frankly it will run straight up with a stock 660 . Even in that heat it always fired up on one pull after a refuel .The Mac with the horizontal cylinder needed a 20 minute cool off after a fuel stop .
I wore my helper to a frazzle ,in his 40's .I was around 62 at the time .He said to my wife RIP ,I can't believe that old man out worked me .She said he's been at it a lot longer than you as I sat on my patio having a cold one ,barley pop you know . ;)


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