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« on: June 22, 2021, 11:01:45 AM »
I have been buying the premix size bottles of chainsaw oil (Husqvarna) for years. I switched to Castrol Super Snowmobile oil 3 months ago, after I realized I was paying about 5 times as much for the Husqvarna oil. I have an Ultralight aircraft with a 503 Rotax, and the preferred oil for the Ultralight guys is Castrol Super snowmobile oil :) I figured if it is good enough oil for an engine that is run as hard as an aircraft engine and hanging my a$$ out in the air I'll trust it in my saws. I run in the neighbourhood of 25 gallons of fuel through my saws per year.

I am not trying to convert anybody or prove a point, just sharing my experimental ways. I will report back as time goes by. The 1st guinea pig is my new Stihl ms261c. I expect to put quite a bit of fuel through it this summer (building the 1st of 2 to 4 log buildings with it right now)

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« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2021, 11:35:57 AM »
It should be fine, Castrol is a very good product. Let us know how it goes.
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Re: Castrol Super Snowmobile oil
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2021, 11:44:26 AM »
 Ive run saws on mercury outboard just fine and that includes my 395xp chainsaw milling oak with a full comp for hours in the baking sun.  

If everything exploded the way the experts claim id have nothing left to put gas in. 
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Re: Castrol Super Snowmobile oil
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2021, 11:54:15 AM »
ran the castrol oil back in the day for years and never had any trouble but back then we ran abit richer on oil compared to most people today and no ethanol in the gas like today 

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Re: Castrol Super Snowmobile oil
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2021, 03:14:04 PM »
In my old life I spent all winter on a Ski-Doo, 583,617, 670, etc.  Many years 5,000+ miles on the sled and had many of the white "Injection Huile" jugs left over when we moved - it all got mixed into saw gas.  Like you said - 100 HP, idle to wide open in every turn, running to the bar, -40F cold start - and those engines just run - Brrrttt, bruttt, all day long.  :D

When that was gone I went to Wal-Mart and bought marine injection oil and have been using that for years now, never blew anything up.

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Re: Castrol Super Snowmobile oil
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2021, 04:24:47 PM »
Well there ya go :). I have also run many (must be hundreds) of gallons of regular gas through my saws. This is my one concession to my nice new saw; I am mixing premium fuel. And I am a 40:1 guy.

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Re: Castrol Super Snowmobile oil
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2021, 06:11:39 PM »
Iím on the other side of the fence.  Iím not trying to change your mind, but I believe you paid about $500 for the new professional grade saw?  

Stihl extends their warranty significantly when using their Ultra Silver oil. So they believe it works, even better than their Orange oil

The Silver, which is specifically blended for chainsaws, can be bought in gallon jugs for about $100 per gallon (128 oz) which is enough to mix 50 gallons of fuel.  Your nearest John Deere dealer would carry it by the gallon jug.  It may cost $125 per gallon there.  

Castrol Super Snowmobile oil is about $35 per gallon.  Itís specifically blended for snowmobile engines.  Also, with a heavier mix, means more oil used.  

The difference is maybe $70 per 50 gallons of fuel, and you mentioned you normally burn 25 gallons per year.  So if you used the oil that is designed specifically for chainsaws and shown to increase the warranty of your new saw, rather than using an oil intended for snowmobiles, it would cost about an extra $35 per year. Around here, thatís about the price of a single chain.  

I love good experiments, but personally, I wouldnít conduct it on my new chainsaw.  Just my two cents, nothing more.  
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Re: Castrol Super Snowmobile oil
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2021, 07:17:59 PM »
I just buy the little six packs .Varies could be TSC stuff or Stihl ultra but at a 32 to 1 ratio as usual .I don't really use that much mix gas so a buck or two for the little bottles isn't going to break the bank .Saying that I did use 50WT Castrol  oil in a my old Harley chopper plus Cam 2 fuel when I could find it .
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« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2021, 08:19:59 PM »
I go thru a lil six pack every year.  The dealer I got my saws at said their oil only for warranty.  My saws aren't on warranty anymore but they're still running and I like making one gallon mix at a time with 90 non ethanol.   :)
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Re: Castrol Super Snowmobile oil
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2021, 10:01:46 PM »
I have been using Polaris snowmobile VES Extreme Full Synthetic in 372XPs and my new Echo cs-7310p.
The red dye is a little light to tell if it is mixed.   $57/gallon

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« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2021, 10:36:33 PM »
Straight 30 motor oil, 16:1 is the only way to fly. Really wakes up the current breed of autotune saws😁
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Re: Castrol Super Snowmobile oil
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2021, 10:42:28 PM »
#6 Barbender, cut it with a little K-1 in the colder (non-August) months.  :D
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« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2021, 11:03:57 PM »
Oil wars!  I think itís been quiet for six months or so, but shots have now been fired!  :rifle:

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« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2021, 11:14:07 PM »
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Ive bought a few new stihl products in my life and those get the silver bottle until warranty is over.  My old stuff gets whatever it gets.  

Atleast 40:1..  For milling ive gone as rich as 24:1 with outboard but itll make ya sick huffing it.  I dont mill at 50:1 with anything.  You can hear the jug clinking hot.  

Ethanol really hasnt caused me many issues
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« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2021, 11:25:15 PM »
Not my battle, not my saw.   :D :D

Iím pretty conservative about these things, especially during break in or under warranty. 
 
My diesel truck gets Rotella diesel oil (Regular motor oil does not work for long, big oops on that)
My wifeís truck gets Mobile synthetic.
My Mercury outboard gets Mercury Optimax Oil.
My New Holland tractor gets Master Gold New Holland oil.
My Kubota zero turn mower gets Kubota oil.
My Stihl Chainsaws get Stihl Ultra Chinsaw oil.
My chicken fryer gets peanut oil.

In a pinch, any might could be substituted, even the peanut oil, but I prefer to stick with manufacturer recommendations.  

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« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2021, 11:29:29 PM »
You might want to try some used 10w-40 in the chicken fryer. Imparts a distinctive flavor, but will not affect your warranty. Iíd stick with your list on all the other stuff. 
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« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2021, 11:31:49 PM »
My kubota drank a hodgepodge of filtered waste motor oil all week. Savin the peanut oil for a rainy day i guess 

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« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2021, 11:44:31 PM »
@YellowHammer What did you feed your babies if I may ask?  :D
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« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2021, 12:14:22 AM »
Not my battle, not my saw.   :D :D

Iím pretty conservative about these things, especially during break in or under warranty.
 
My diesel truck gets Rotella diesel oil (Regular motor oil does not work for long, big oops on that)
My wifeís truck gets Mobile synthetic.
My Mercury outboard gets Mercury Optimax Oil.
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My Stihl Chainsaws get Stihl Ultra Chinsaw oil.
My chicken fryer gets peanut oil.

In a pinch, any might could be substituted, even the peanut oil, but I prefer to stick with manufacturer recommendations.  
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« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2021, 01:41:14 AM »
Southside, what with global warming we now have 3 months that we don't have to cut our mix oil with K-1 up here👍
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« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2021, 05:50:48 AM »
As an actual Husqvarna dealer, it's pretty clear to me that you guys running all those different oils are sitting there with a bunch of blown up saws and empty woodsheds and you're just too embarassed to admit it! :)

Any top quality oil is gonna be fine. I don't even have to pay for the Husky oil, because I own the store, but I'm currently running Legend ZX2 at 40:1. Customer told me about it a couple years ago. Said he likes it cause it was the only oil that he found that the exhaust never gave him a headache cutting in close quarters. Gave me a sample to try and I mixed up 2 gallons for saw gas. Worked great, liked the smell, and ordered a case of four 1 gallon bottles and split it with him.

Chainsaw oil and the high end motorsports oil may be engineered for their specific targets, but most of that overlaps and it's fine to run it in saws. Don't get me wrong, there are low end oils in both of those groups that should not be used. And personal use as opposed to full time pro use could be different also.

Much of the OEM hype about "you better run their oil" is simply to ensure that the proper oil is being used. Many people that would buy "something else" would just buy the cheapest oil they could find and ruin equipment in short order. Not everyone has the brains to make sure that an alternative oil is of equal quality to the OEM stuff.
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« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2021, 06:03:23 AM »
Hmmm, I bet that Legend would be better for my lungs too? Would help out on my breathing when sawing a tree down in the summer heat.
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« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2021, 08:14:07 AM »
@YellowHammer What did you feed your babies if I may ask?  :D

Only the finest!  It must have worked, they turned out much better than me!

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« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2021, 08:18:30 AM »
Olive oil is from crushed up olives
Sunflower oil is from crushed up sunflowers
Ever wonder where baby oil comes from?  :D
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« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2021, 08:30:52 AM »
Straight 30 motor oil, 16:1 is the only way to fly. Really wakes up the current breed of autotune saws😁
BB I want to hear more about straight motor oil in a 2stroke. My daughters boy Friend was to lazy to go to town for 2stroke oil for my little 9.9 and used 10w30. They only used it for 20 mins that day. I came back and found out, lost my S@#$%T big time. More so on being to lazy to drive 20 mins to get the proper oil. I poured it out and remixed the with proper 2 Stroke oil.  Reading this is making me feel a little guilty for loosing it!
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« Reply #25 on: June 23, 2021, 09:19:32 AM »
Stephen I wrote that completely tongue in cheek. Some of the really old 2 strokes used straight motor oil I think, just because that's all there was. Before my time- ask Al Smith😊 Worked well for fogging the immediate area for flies and mosquitoes, I told😬 I would've lost it on the daughter's boyfriend, too! 
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« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2021, 09:24:21 AM »
Like Bob said.....I can vouch that in a pro environment you're going to suss out bad practices/fluids in short order. Anything short of that and you could get away with bad stuff/practices for yrs.....hardly an endorsement.

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« Reply #27 on: June 23, 2021, 04:36:32 PM »
Oil Humor:

Dude comes in with a Ryobi backpack blower. We don't take that stuff in ever, but here's how the conversation goes........Like a lot of folks, he says, "Probably just needs a plug." To which my standard answer is, "I can sell you a plug, and you don't have to leave it." But he wanted me to look at it, and he explains that the reason he's sure the plug is fouled is that they put a lot more oil in the fuel to compensate for them loaning it out to a friend who didn't put any oil in it.

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« Reply #28 on: June 23, 2021, 05:17:29 PM »
 :D That should cure a toasted p&c alright.
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« Reply #29 on: June 23, 2021, 06:45:22 PM »
Oil Humor:

Dude comes in with a Ryobi backpack blower. We don't take that stuff in ever, but here's how the conversation goes........Like a lot of folks, he says, "Probably just needs a plug." To which my standard answer is, "I can sell you a plug, and you don't have to leave it." But he wanted me to look at it, and he explains that the reason he's sure the plug is fouled is that they put a lot more oil in the fuel to compensate for them loaning it out to a friend who didn't put any oil in it.

That's what's out there guys.  :D
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« Reply #30 on: June 23, 2021, 08:24:07 PM »
In a pinch I have used motor oil for mix oil  .Didn't seem to hurt anything that I know of .
Having said that back on the farm we used the same stuff dad put through his twin Evinrudes on his boat .Didn't hurt the boat motors nor the old saws just smoked a little bit .Times have changed I would not run boat motor mix for a chainsaw nor will I run that miracle 100 to 1 ratio  magic mix oil .I've heard all the stories ,heard the arguments from the never ending oil debate . I'm still old school 32 to 1 type .I won't change . ;) 

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Oil Humor:

Dude comes in with a Ryobi backpack blower. We don't take that stuff in ever, but here's how the conversation goes........Like a lot of folks, he says, "Probably just needs a plug." To which my standard answer is, "I can sell you a plug, and you don't have to leave it." But he wanted me to look at it, and he explains that the reason he's sure the plug is fouled is that they put a lot more oil in the fuel to compensate for them loaning it out to a friend who didn't put any oil in it.

That's what's out there guys.  :D
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« Reply #32 on: June 23, 2021, 11:06:28 PM »
Al, I run the miracle 100:1 oil, but at 32:1...I should be triple protected, right?😁 
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« Reply #33 on: June 24, 2021, 05:29:20 AM »
About like myself actually .I run on 100 octane coffee and 80 proof whiskey .The only reason I ever used the Stihl Ultra was because  the dealer tossed in two little bottles and supposedly the warrantee was extended if I used the stuff on the new weed wacker I bought .They didn't say I had to mix it 50 to 1 so it was at 32 to 1 . After 7 years I still have 4 bottles from the original 6 pack .Actually it was less expensive than Husqvarna labeled stuff .

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« Reply #34 on: June 24, 2021, 05:58:55 AM »
That sign would be a good fit for us too Kevin. But the one we've been toying with is:

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Re: Castrol Super Snowmobile oil
« Reply #35 on: June 24, 2021, 06:08:45 AM »
Spike60, customers never coming in asking for a part for a mower, chainsaw, trimmer, snow blower and so on, and than have no idea what the model number is. They say when it's Poulan something.  :D
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Re: Castrol Super Snowmobile oil
« Reply #36 on: June 24, 2021, 07:18:04 AM »
Well @thecfarm, if you're going to invite me to vent on my favorite pet peave, feel free to send me a bill for the needed therepy.

Very few people make any effort at all to have the info necessary to get them the parts they need. The younger they are the worse it is. Old timers come in with their books and notes just like everyone used to. Most people are lazy and expect technology to solve their lack of effort. What length bar, What model, What size deck? What brand engine?, What brand tractor?. Sometimes even What color is it? are met with a blank look and "I don't know." A shredded belt with no numbers on it; can ya match it up? We only keep tract of serialized transactions for wholegoods in the computer. We have no need to know who bought every part we sell over the counter. But it's not unusual for someone to come in with zero info and say they need the same belt they bought 5 years ago, can we check our records. Nope. :)

My business partner and I have a rule that we don't make eye contact with each other while one of these exchanges is taking place cause we'll start laughing like kids in school and we don't want to offend the customer. (most times).

Retirement really isn't that far away. LOL
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Re: Castrol Super Snowmobile oil
« Reply #37 on: June 24, 2021, 08:17:33 AM »
Those same customers leave your store and call me.  Conversation usually goes "Hi I called you four or five months ago about some wood, want to know if you still have it available...." 

My mind begins to fight with my mouth and wants it to ask "Who put the straw in strawberry?"  about that time.....
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Re: Castrol Super Snowmobile oil
« Reply #38 on: June 24, 2021, 09:59:16 AM »
I'd LOVE to do a book on customer stories! The stories I have would be legion. But the real 'funny' stuff was when I used to do custom rototilling with my old Horse TroyBilt. I eventually had a list memorized of questions to ask first, before I brought the machine over to a job site. Had to, or I'd be tilling rocks, roots or worse.

'Clueless' customers doesn't even begin to describe the situations I found myself in with my tiller. I put new bearings and races in the tiller shaft this spring and thought about contracting out again. Talked myself out of it........:D

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Re: Castrol Super Snowmobile oil
« Reply #39 on: June 24, 2021, 02:25:11 PM »
I worked in retail for years, don't get me started. :D One of the funniest was the guy wanting points for his Briggs and Stratton, no model numbers (of course) so I gave him the most popular ones. He came back mad the next day and angrily slammed them down on the counter along with the originals. Oh, you have a Tecumseh and I brought out the correct part. He snapped it is a Briggs and Stratton, says so right on it! The old ones had the brand in raised letters, I guess he couldn't read English. ::)
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Re: Castrol Super Snowmobile oil
« Reply #40 on: June 24, 2021, 02:28:29 PM »
Fact is you have to deal with people no matter what you do .Fifty plus years as a journeyman electrician and some wizz kid of 25 years old wants to argue with me .Some so called factory trained genus tries to tell me I'm doing it all wrong on a Briggs and Stratton engine I have running like a top .I just consider the source any more rather than blow a fuse so to speak .


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