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« on: September 14, 2010, 10:18:12 AM »

FOOTBALL TRUTHS ...
(1) What does the average Univ of Florida player get on his SATs?
........Drool.

(2) What do you get when you put 32 Alabama cheerleaders in one room?
........A full set of teeth.

(3) How do you get a Arkansas cheerleader into your dorm room?
........Grease her hips and push.

(4) How do you get an Ohio State graduate off your porch?
.........Pay him for the pizza.

(5) How do you know if an Alabama football player has a girlfriend?
......There is tobacco spit on both sides of his pickup.

(6) Why is the Kentucky football team like a possum?
....Because they play dead at home and get killed on the road.

(7) What are the longest three years of a Texas Longhorn football player's life?
........His freshman year.

(8) How many Oklahoma freshmen does it take to change a light bulb?
........None. That's a sophomore course.

(9) Where was O. J. Headed in the white Bronco?
....... Durham, North Carolina. He knew that the police would never look at Duke for a Heisman Trophy winner.
 
10. How do you keep an FSU football player out of your
front yard?
....................Erect a goal post!

AND FINALLY (drum roll and cymbal clash).....

(11) Why did Texas choose orange as their team color?
........You can wear it to the game on Saturday, hunting on Sunday, and
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Re: College football
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2010, 10:52:22 AM »
And on the reporting for the Iowa/Iowa State game in Iowa City, they not only give the scores but also the arrest report.  ::)

Police cite or arrest 131 at Iowa-Iowa State football game
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« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2010, 05:06:52 PM »
Good ones all!
I am a Syracuse fan.
We are very good in hoops but still have along way to go in football.
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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2010, 06:17:50 PM »
Heck, you're old enough to remember when Syracuse was good in football.  Jim Brown, Ernie Davis, Floyd Little and they had a national championship in 1959. 
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« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2022, 07:00:06 AM »
Itís that time of year!! Cornhusker Coach Fired!! 15 million out the door! After October 1st it would have dropped to 7.5 million buyout. But big money boosters give the nod. 
Here we go again in the last several years over 50 million in severance packages. 28 million more than any other school!!! Letís get it right this time Cornhuskers!! With the new 150 million training complex that will be the best in the country and the right coach letís Git-R-Done 💪😂

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Re: College football
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2022, 07:35:08 AM »
Roll Tide!!!

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« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2022, 07:37:11 AM »
Yep, tired of almost win almost always.... ::)

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« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2022, 09:23:45 AM »
One of our grandaughter's mailed us a letter from her first grade class assignment in Knoxville, TN yesterday. She said hello, told how she liked her school then stated that the boy's all like the "orange team" but "she likes the blue team, like her Daddy". She did not mean Texas... :D 
The KY football team actually dined on gator meat after the game.

Our KY coach seeing some success has an article towards the NE job in today's paper. Most say it's a doubtful choice for him as he's making a bunch here now. 
LSU's national champ coach got 16.9 mil to leave. 
Urban Meyer is also in todays FB news as a potential NE coach and he says their fans are unique among all football schools in their (my word choice) zeal.  
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« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2022, 09:49:30 AM »
After losing to Appalachian State, I noticed Texas A&M is replacing the turf with cardboard in their stadium this week before playing Miami.

Thatís because they always play better on paper.

The Aggies found out the same thing Michigan did a few years ago.  The ASU Mountaineers shouldnít be taken lightly.  Miami is going to be playing a mad A&M team.
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« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2022, 09:39:13 PM »
I watched some of the plays from the Appalacian State game, they looked hard core, and not to be underestimated. 

Alabama was as sloppy as I can remember them, they were lucky to only drop one place in the rankings, and lucky to win.  They have been reading too much "rat poison."
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« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2022, 11:51:32 PM »
Mighty James Madison U moved up from the FCS to the FBS and joined the Sun Belt Conference.  They are on the bye week after ripping Middle Tenn. St. and Norfolk St in their first two games(combined score 107-14).  They travel to Appalachian State next in a huge game for JMU to show they belong.

Group of 5 Sun Belt Conference wins last week.
App. State over #6 Texas A&M
Marshall over #8 Notre Dame
GA Southern over Nebraska

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« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2022, 08:50:00 AM »
AL has much to prove at this point. The other factor though is that teams like AL often go 3 deep at all positions via their recruiting so it becomes a test of whose gonna play as the season progresses. Those Sunbelt teams lack that depth and injuries matter more over a season. 
For now, AL is running on brand name, not performance.
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« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2022, 02:25:49 AM »
The Frank Solich curse! He replaced Legendary Tom Osborne and got fired at 9-3. The five National Championships should have easily been a few more if it had not been for the Penn State extended field!!! Florida State ruffing the quarterback by our now Athletic Director Trev Alberts. Miami dropped pass to name a few. And they say Frank Solich has never been back and stepped foot in Memorial Stadium since he was fired and moved. It's been 18 years, nine months and 16 days since Nebraska famously fired Solich after a 9-3 regular season. And Nebraska, once a powerhouse that won five national championships and went 414-82-5 in a four-decade span from the early '60s to 2003, has languished through eight losing seasons since then. Four coaches have been hired and fired at Nebraska since Solich, and the Cornhuskers have failed to finish better than the 10-3 mark achieved by his last team, which went on to win its bowl game in his absence.

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« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2022, 07:50:12 AM »
Alabama players suffer from Prima Donna Disease, which is having too many Blue Chip recruits with too much ego.  One of the reasons the players have the ego is that in many cases they are extremely good, maybe the best in the nation for that position.  However, if they don't perform, they get benched.  That's one of the secrets of deep recruiting, the playing positions are performance based and for every player in the game, there are a couple more standing on the sidelines waiting to take their place and thinking they can do better.  Saban is a master of managing personal strategy and recognizing who is the best at that moment, not who thinks they are the best.

Since every player is a top recruit, and most all have been record breakers at their high schools, then they all have tremendous potential and sometimes all it takes is a little game time to shuffle the players and see who is going to perform to a level to compete and win the National Championship.  

Many of the penalties we had were self control penalties, not performance based penalties.  So if a Blue Chip player can't control himself from blocking in the back, then the next guy will.

La Monroe will be seeing some new faces, and assuming Bama pulls ahead, Saban will waste no time swapping players and seeing who is performing.  That's one reason Bama doesn't throttle back when they pull ahead, he simply puts in different players and expects them to play 100% effort, and at that point they aren't playing against the other team anymore, the Bama players are playing against each other.

I've lived here since 1972, through the Bear Bryant years, then some of the not so good years, and I don't know about the other teams on other conferences, but Bama is always expected to compete for the National Championship,  and win it.  Sometimes it happens sometimes it doesn't but that is what is expected.  

There are some incredibly tough items out there, many Saban trained, and they have been "taught" the same mentality and that is most concerning to us fans.  From a coaching standpoint, he is competing against the other coaches, just like his players.  

College Football.  Nothing like it!  

    
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« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2022, 08:43:23 AM »
As a former player, I'm not in agreement with the notion of separating of self-control vs. performance. As a rule the better athletes don't divert themselves from the ways the game was intended to be played. Trash talk perhaps by some, or jersey grabs in the backfield defenses but back blocks, targeting and sucker punches and the like are never tolerated by any coach having much class or success.
I used to work with a guy who'd spent his entire college football experience as an offensive end at Auburn, 100% of it on the 3rd string and him having been a highly drafted player out of HS in AL. He taught Industrial Electricity at my school. His choice to stay, I'd have gone somewhere else for sure. 
Prima donna does not affect all who have high skill at big schools, that's a human personality factor IMO. I went to a very large 3,000 student HS that tended to dominate it's opponents and mostly none of us had that problem any more son than at the much smaller college I attended where the players had all been highly successful HS players or they wouldn't have been there playing. The depth chart was far shallower at that small school and the first unit dropped off heavily to the 2nd one and especially to the 3rd team.   
 Given the freedom to move during the covid era, we've seen high level players change schools far more often rather than languish where they didn't fit well. In my day it often cost you your scholarship then or later and you became a black sheep player. 
AL success has no doubt led to their ability to attract from the many skilled in state and out of region players they get.
As a KS boy I never had any (zero) love for NE sports going back to the Big 6 & Big 8.    
 
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« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2022, 01:22:18 PM »
Urban Meyer is looking for a job , so any favorable comments from him on any team need to be viewed in the light

Unfortunately the glory days for the huskers are going to be slim . It'll be hard for teams like them to bring in the big boys and top coaching talent . The press and social media is limited , especially with the way college players are being 'paid' . Should've been a set amount per player
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« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2022, 02:08:50 PM »
So we are in agreement.  As is Saban.  The best players play the best at all times, and if their emotions or personality get in the way, then there is another player waiting to take their place.  

Roll Tide! 
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« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2022, 05:03:49 PM »
Like Urban Meyer said Nebraska use to be the Alabamas. Before Saben went to Alabama they were down for quite some time. And the NFL didnít work out very well for him. But he is a monster in college. Now itís time for Urban to come to Lincoln and turn things around. Like Larry the cable guy said we have the check book open. Who cares about his baggage! He is a winner!! 

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Urban Meyer is looking for a job , so any favorable comments from him on any team need to be viewed in the light

Unfortunately the glory days for the huskers are going to be slim . It'll be hard for teams like them to bring in the big boys and top coaching talent . The press and social media is limited , especially with the way college players are being 'paid' . Should've been a set amount per player
We have the money and remember there is no place like Nebraska💪!! Thatís why we have the longest sellout streak in college football history to this day! Still 90,000 + fans in the stands even through all the years of losing. We are ready for Urban with the 155 million training complex to open next year. 

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« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2022, 09:28:42 PM »
Kind of a long day around here..  

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Urban Meyer is looking for a job , so any favorable comments from him on any team need to be viewed in the light

Unfortunately the glory days for the huskers are going to be slim . It'll be hard for teams like them to bring in the big boys and top coaching talent . The press and social media is limited , especially with the way college players are being 'paid' . Should've been a set amount per player
We have the money and remember there is no place like Nebraska💪!! Thatís why we have the longest sellout streak in college football history to this day! Still 90,000 + fans in the stands even through all the years of losing. We are ready for Urban with the 155 million training complex to open next year.
Biggest issue in todays world is players exposure to media to raise thier brands to make endorsements . That's going to be hard to convince kids to go they're even with Urban and a $150 million training center . Alabama grew back before the days of endorsements . Be a lot harder now . That's why allowing players to make money in this regard will further concentrate the best players @ a smaller number of schools
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« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2022, 12:40:44 AM »
NIL is a great opportunity for alumni to boost their favorite university.  Very Rich Alumni with companies can boost their favorite player on the team with promotional deals and pull the university along with it.  This is also another recruiting inducement.  Any business in a college town can also ride the train.

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« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2022, 01:07:39 AM »
Did I say Iím just a poor quarterback fo Ohio State. We be ballin now in a new Bentley!! He promotes the dealership in Ohio and they give him a new 150,000 Bentley 

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« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2022, 05:36:11 AM »
You think that's something new?  Its been going on for years.  Lots of high end athletes have a nice set of wheels. 

Those rich donors are the ones paying the high salaries and bonuses for the coaches.  Rich donors also pay for facilities on the campus.  Like most other things, money will eventually squeeze the joy out of college football. 
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« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2022, 09:13:13 AM »
The money influence will not go away from sports as too many profit from them. Gambling, media and donors who have deep pockets make for a skewed situation. Most all upper-level FB teams have facilities beyond our imaginations, also in basketball too. I personally get an upset stomach when I hear about the planeloads of deep pocket people who hang around sports teams. 
My local Lexington, KY newspaper today has an article about the NCAA investigating the employment of KY FB players at the schools hospital. It began as a FB team thing where they'd move released patients upon release to their ride. Then a former school kicker who had a FT job at the hospital opened the door to other jobs which seems to have become a loosely run operation with kids being on the clock when not even in town, etc.. They fired him and stopped the jobs program but it's still with the NCAA. Truth be known the NCAA is more problematic than the programs it seems. Money written all over that group. 
The flip side of the players jobs & endorsement scene is that as a player you have mostly zero time to work and earn money, even pocket money. When I played me and a couple of buddies would hang late at a Pizza Hut where they'd give us a leftover pizza or two which someone had called in then no showed. We didn't have enough bucks between us to buy a pizza! My so-called job as a player was cleaning basketballs in the off season for me. I got zero money from it, the numbers went to the schools account.
My BIL is in that group that won't watch pro sports yet loves college sports which are now so far from being a purely amateur area, it's not funny. Myself, I like all sports but do admit to having become no fanboy of the Olympics which I absolutely loved as a kid and track & field athlete myself. I had Al Oerter's news clippings all over my bedroom walls.
Kansas State is a great e.g. of a school in nowhere land that had a truly great players coach who was able to attract kids to a small town in flyover land, sort of like NE used to have in Lincoln. 
Urban Meyer is not a coach I can relate with, but in fairness we public don't get to really know these people who are media kings. 
Car dealers "loaned" the fancy wheels to kids in the past, now they buy their own? Neither myself nor my player friends had a car when/where I played. I had to get hurt, walk away from a free ride and work for 85 cents an hour @ the IGA to buy my first car.     
 
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« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2022, 03:23:59 PM »
Wow, lots of great comments here! 

I guess I'm that old fashioned guy that think character and integrity still matters, and should be especially prevalent in high school and college sports. The win at any cost attitude and coaching up players to push the rules as far as they can until they're caught just doesn't wash with me.

NIL, not a fan but like I already stated I am "Old and Not in Fashion"

As for Urban Meyer, I wouldn't wish him as a coach for any program, sorry!

I will continue to watch and support my Clemson Tigers and Dabo Swinney unless they also push the limits of proper conduct and sportsmanship. I will also call them out on it as quickly as I would any other program.

I'm not a big Saban or Alabama fan but I have to say that the program has in fact produced a number of very good coaches!

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« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2022, 09:13:34 AM »
Some aspects of NIL are a turnoff for me but I've been more bothered in the past by not only an athletes inability to have time to earn money while also participating in a sport. Locally we are seeing ads involving former players who were popular but not among the rare ones that play for pay now. 
It's also good that I'm seeing our KY coaches emphasizing player volunteerism as NIL finds it's way. 
Doesn't the coach "produce" the "program" and not vice versa? ;D 
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« Reply #27 on: September 19, 2022, 11:54:44 AM »
The program is set by the university or college.  It depends what they're philosophy is.  Many think that a great winning football or basketball team will bring more students applying to the university.  More students equals more income.  Also, a winning team will bolster attendance, which drives all sports.  Its also easier to get donors.  But, at what costs?

The program is furthered by the athletic dept.  They're responsible for hiring a coach that can get the wins.  But, that coach has to recruit top notch players.  So, that depends on the facilities, which depends on sources of income. 

The problem with today's sports are that when kids come out of high school, they expect to play immediately at the next level.  If they don't play for you, they will go into the portal and play somewhere else.  Now its seemingly like they're leaving for better pay.  Its more like the players are shaping the program than either the coach or the institution. 

Back in 2012 there was a student athlete that said "We ain't come here to play school".  Its hard to fit someone like that into a program.  He went on to play ball, and filled seats at the university.  Is it their job to fill seats or be a student?  I'm thinking the student part is often lacking.
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« Reply #28 on: September 20, 2022, 05:33:03 AM »
The problem with college football is that on any given Saturday only 50 per cent of the teams win.  Fans would be happier if they could get it up to 75 or 80%.
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« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2022, 08:10:54 AM »
The program is set by the university or college.  It depends what they're philosophy is.  Many think that a great winning football or basketball team will bring more students applying to the university.  More students equals more income.  Also, a winning team will bolster attendance, which drives all sports.  Its also easier to get donors.  But, at what costs?

The program is furthered by the athletic dept.  They're responsible for hiring a coach that can get the wins.  But, that coach has to recruit top notch players.  So, that depends on the facilities, which depends on sources of income.  

The problem with today's sports are that when kids come out of high school, they expect to play immediately at the next level.  If they don't play for you, they will go into the portal and play somewhere else.  Now its seemingly like they're leaving for better pay.  Its more like the players are shaping the program than either the coach or the institution.  

Back in 2012 there was a student athlete that said "We ain't come here to play school".  Its hard to fit someone like that into a program.  He went on to play ball, and filled seats at the university.  Is it their job to fill seats or be a student?  I'm thinking the student part is often lacking.
In the same vein of thought: Having worked for years as a guidance counselor I was in contact with kids and adults every day discussing their future or immediate plans. When I went out to all the middle & HS's in my region, doing career inventories and follow-up sessions with an entire grade, I often found unrealistic, in fact often ridiculous notions toward careers and the world of work. It wasn't limited to the special kids either, as many had no idea what was entailed in becoming a whatever, nor little knowledge of the actual specifics of what they said they wanted to "hang their hat on". 
The closest larger city to me is Lexington, KY who back in the late 1970's did a survey of their students' parents' knowledge about the world of work. The survey came about as they's found that most kids got what they did or didn't get toward future planning mostly came from parents as it were. 
What they found was that parents were an extremely poor source of career guidance for the kids. 
Sports is just yet another e.g. of this type of uninformed thinking. 
I saw this happen among family members where one adult would say "She should be a nurse", when fact was they lacked the info to make such talk. 
As a coach I dealt with parents unrealistic ideas about their kids talent way too much. Got irate phone calls, face in your face, all that stuff. 
For over a half century less than 50% of USA freshmen students finish a 4 year degree at the vast majority of schools, thus my point in another way of speaking. Most schools use completion numbers as a sales pitch in admissions but there are work arounds that clean up those numbers, especially at highly selective schools. 
During the U of KY FB game last Saturday, a regional university Eastern KY U ran an TV ad stating that all undergraduates get free textbooks, free other stuff and are admitted via their HS GPA, not an ACT score. 
Speaking personally, as a kid I had a plan when I went off to college but it was sports that paid the fees and was my highest priority which is not an all bad thing IMO. Beats being entirely aimless all to crap! And believe me when I say I seen lots of aimless during my 27 years in educational work. 
   
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« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2022, 08:13:16 AM »
The problem with college football is that on any given Saturday only 50 per cent of the teams win.  Fans would be happier if they could get it up to 75 or 80%.
Which is much like having a two-party political system huh? Somebody always wins! :D
Back in my youth, ties were often a part of football standings until the rules changed to break ties. 
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« Reply #31 on: September 20, 2022, 11:58:55 AM »
Interesting perspective on preparedness for the next step in people's careers.  I distinctly remember when our guidance counselor came to class and said "If at first you don't succeed, quit.  You don't have the aptitude for it."  He went on to talk about the different avenues available to us and that not everyone was college material.  

I don't think people are ready even after college.  I had summer jobs in the forest industry, with govt., and in a chocolate factory.  But, I wasn't close to being ready for a job as a forester.  All my professors came from academia, except for Mr Schmidt.  He had mill and logging experience.  I used him as a mentor.  When I complained that they didn't teach us how to do much, his response that they teach us why to do something and figure we're smart enough to figure out how to do it.  I later found out that this was true, at least in my case.

As for 50% being winners and losers, there's a large portion of losers that will contend that they should have won.  ;)
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« Reply #32 on: September 20, 2022, 08:31:51 PM »
I assume some folks saw this, it's the Chad Powers video, where Eli Manning went through a walk on tryout with Penn State.  It was hilarious, and brought back many memories for me, especially watching the walk ons bust their tail trying to get in the game, while we sometimes took our scholarships for granted.  Typically, the walks ons were slower and smaller, but they made up for it in pure grit and heart.    

Anyway, here is a link to the video, it's all over the Internet since yesterday, and is about 15 minutes long.

Eli Manning talks how "Chad Powers" tryout had him worried about physical drills
  
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« Reply #33 on: September 20, 2022, 10:13:40 PM »
Iowa boy Kurt Warner never gave up! Tried out for Packers and was cut. Went back to sacking groceries in Iowa and the rest is history! 

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« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2022, 09:20:59 AM »
Interesting perspective on preparedness for the next step in people's careers.  I distinctly remember when our guidance counselor came to class and said "If at first you don't succeed, quit.  You don't have the aptitude for it."  He went on to talk about the different avenues available to us and that not everyone was college material.  

I don't think people are ready even after college.  I had summer jobs in the forest industry, with govt., and in a chocolate factory.  But, I wasn't close to being ready for a job as a forester.  All my professors came from academia, except for Mr Schmidt.  He had mill and logging experience.  I used him as a mentor.  When I complained that they didn't teach us how to do much, his response that they teach us why to do something and figure we're smart enough to figure out how to do it.  I later found out that this was true, at least in my case.

As for 50% being winners and losers, there's a large portion of losers that will contend that they should have won.  ;)
As a "guidance person" I knew my world of work experience gave students a much broader perspective, but the factual reality was that as I was teaching in a Vo-tech school across the street from the very university where I was doing my masters in counseling, the profs I hoped would be my references saw me as a maverick student who sort of belonged on the other side of their fence. One who I'd thought was my friend and mentor and whom I used as a reference for some years had actually kept me from a couple of jobs, so I learned over time. The academics tend to think and play that way. 
The typical HS guidance counselor is often more so a class scheduler & a higher education go-between who functions with college admissions folks and helps with the divy of college scholarships. Most found the guidance masters (teachers must get a masters in nearly all places-KY calls for one within ten years or you lose your job) as their ticket out of the classroom. In most cases they have very little world of work experience other than "maybe" a summer job here & there. 
When I became involved with providing students middle school interest inventories (required by the KERA-the KY ed reform laws to come from a Vo-tech source) I learned even more how weak many counselors are toward providing such career guidance. Those with the more nuanced workplace knowledge often got it via their spouse who worked out of education. 
The flip side at my own schools (until I left for a public high school) was that everyone came from the real world not schools only. As we speak and for ~ 25 years, the offering of a degree track or a certificate track (skilled trades, etc.) has the PHd's at the helm of tech schools who often are no longer called by the dirty word-"vocational". When I began most ever Vo-tech was admin'd by either a former Ag teacher or a medical background person as they were the only ones with degrees, the rest were like me (at first) who had skilled trades or similar skill sets. 
An e.g., at the time I left tech schools and took a buyout my "boss" at the state level was a Phd in counseling lady who had never set foot in a school face to face serving students and made twice my salary. We have a son with a PHd so don't read too much into my saying this-his is very technical stuff at that.
I'll leave the losers thing alone as it's not my thing to dwell on. What I am dwelling on there is that Putin's scary and I have my fears.
FWIW, it sticks in my mind that some years ago the Daniel Boone NF in my immediate area was run by a man with your last name and I actually worked with his daughter who taught biology where I was working, the next county over from the NF main office.   
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« Reply #35 on: September 21, 2022, 09:24:32 AM »
Iowa boy Kurt Warner never gave up! Tried out for Packers and was cut. Went back to sacking groceries in Iowa and the rest is history!

https://thefordhamram.com/83578/sports/from-5-50-an-hour-to-nfl-phenom-the-kurt-warner-story/
I Love his story! I went from grocery stockman to mgr to meatpacking, hung up my cleats permanently.
 Often that player storyline is like a musicians and timing, or injuries is everything in getting cut.   
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« Reply #36 on: September 21, 2022, 09:25:54 AM »
#1 problem in sports with most of these 'star' athletes do not get an education . Many can barely read or write . There should be strict standards all across the college landscape . Schools like standford & wisconsin with their very high standards is it's a smaller group of players to pick from . I'd wager it's a fairly large % of the bama players cannot do 12th grade high school work and many still not even middle school standards
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« Reply #37 on: September 21, 2022, 09:35:51 AM »
That is a common misconception.  I was a college athlete. I majored in physics and minored in math. I was around a lot of college athletes and other highly recruited high school athletes. I still see lots of college athletes of all kinds, baseball, volleyball, and football.  If anything, being a college athlete these days requires quite a bit of mental acuity, memory, pattern recognition, intelligence and awareness, and are qualities that are evaluated as part of being a blue chip athlete.  Most of the ďcompetitiveĒ athletes I know are actually pretty high in the intelligence percentile in general.

There are some ďdumb jocksĒ just like there are ďdump peopleĒ but that isnít desired or normal characteristic of the scholarship athletes recruited at highly competitive colleges or universities.

There arenít any Forest Gumps in major college or university sports departments for very long.  They canít compete.  They get dropped pretty fast. The best athlete is a very intelligent athlete.  Alabama and other major universities recruit the ďbestĒ of the best, and including mental acuity is an important factor in being a highly ranked athlete. 

One of the things that is monitored very highly are a student athletes grades.  If they drop the student become ineligible.  So most universities have a tutor and extracurricular educational program in place for all their athletes to maintain grades.  Even with this academic support, many young college athletes get dropped because they canít maintain grades and get cut.  However, higher classmen athletes are generally very intelligent.  

I bet there is a higher percentage of college graduates in general who canít do 12th grade work, I see them all the timeÖ

As far as reading?  Anyone who has a cell phone can read.  If anything, that is one good thing about them.

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« Reply #38 on: September 21, 2022, 11:00:46 AM »
I was not a college athlete.  I had unassuming friends that were.  Bucky Scribner was a KU punter, and his girlfriend was a bartender at Jonny's.  He was great, and not worried at all that I was acquainted with her girlfriend.  I admire the folks that use scholarships in college to get and education.  Not the get a "scholarship despite the education".  It may not be popular but I am of the belief, that if they are going to start paying college athelets, I would rather just do away with all together.  If they want to be pro, go straight there.  We had years where cocky groups of football players would get a beef with some student at a bar, and to show off a group of them would beat someone nearly to death.  to enroll you have to pay any unpaid parking tickets, and with 300 students in line, two BB walked to the front of the line nearly knocking people over in the double wide line, stating "coach says we don't gotta wait in no line".  I think the behavior depends a lot on the coaches.  I think the best guy and the worst guy on the team need to be held to the same standards of performance and behavior.  Now kids in middle school cannot do boyscouts cause they have practice at 06:30 am and after school till 6.  Some people have great talent, and I respect most the ones that consider it a gift, and not some ability that makes them better.  I think has to do with how they were raised as well.  Lots of benefits, but lost are the idea that it was a way for schools to come together for development of pride in school.  the whole school.  remember the Andy Hardy Movies off at college.  there are always a few bad apples.  frats can be the same way.  I worked full time and did research, and enrolled full time in classes to get through.  I did well and here we are.  I think the purpose of college in general and athletics as well, has been lost, and caught up making money.  Not the intended purpose.  @YellowHammer I am sure you were one of those athletes I would have respected and been friend with.  
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« Reply #39 on: September 21, 2022, 11:16:12 AM »
Excellent comments Doc, thanks for the compliment.  Unfortunately there are bad apples and criminals in any group and that is a coaching and athlete department issue who either condones or condemns such behavior.  

I would think that would not be tolerated by Saban.  
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« Reply #40 on: September 21, 2022, 11:45:58 AM »
I appreciate being able to have an alternate view.  I have great respect for many athletes.  I did 3 sports a year in HS and baseball in the summer.  I learned a lot.  good and bad.  Nothing stays simple for ever.  
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