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There never is, is there?!?! ::)
Mark
So, what's the story? There seems to be some pensive searching going on ::)
I weakened and said I'd saw 5x5's from some old power poles. They had been gone over thoroughly. After a couple of episodes we went over them with my detector. The ultimate detector still found a few.
I hate creosote. :)
Speaking of creosote, I milled some 60 year old reclaimed, hot bath creosoted bridge beams into fencing rails. I can still pick up the smell in the car 1 month later....DanG 'orrible stuff :'( One consolation, the bloke didn't need to treat them.
The guy, also guaranteed the timbers were all nail free. HUH....where have I heard that before? After finding 2 dozen, I lost count.
Hey y'all
I swore I'd never do creosote but my buddies brother is putting in a horse paddock and has poles for the posts. He has my metal detector so that's on him at 20.00 per blade. I'm waiting,( won't be long} till it is a little cooler so the body moisture will be minimal. I also have a plastic hazmat suit with organic vapor mask and goggles. (can't believe I'm doing this} ::) My thinkin is to catch the sawdust on a plastic tarp for disposal, and have the owner spray with a mist garden hose attachment to reduce dust.
Oh yea, my pay\reward, are the oak and pine being removed from the paddock area. ;D Not a great number but worth it.(I think\will find out ;))
I'm looking for any other suggestions for this project. Special lube for the cut?etc. I have # 9 and # 10 WM blades.
Thanks y'all
Rick
I always used diesel fuel for lube on power poles. Make sure to cut them on his place so he can deal with all of the waste ,sawdust and slabs . the butts are very dense from all of the creosote in them. cut about 6 inches off of the butt log to get rid of some of the dirt . The slabs ,if cut thick enough, make good fence too.
MB, don't worry too much about the hazmat suit, just set up(on his place) where the wind blows the dust away from you. Keep in mind that the area for about 1 sq mile will smell like creosote for months, if not years. :o
Yeah, and don't touch anything with your bare hands and don't rub your face. That stuff burns! Youch! Take some dish soap and water with you and don't hesitate to wash yourself if you start to burn.
Waaaayyyyyyyy back yonder, when I clumb poles for vittles, youster get burned in the hot summer.
It was almost worth it, because it felt Soooooooooooo good when the burnin stopped.
Getting it in the tender areas around the eyes was the worst. :o :o
Funny you should bring this up now. We sawed 5 utility poles Saturday for a friend that had welded on my loader. This was my first and LAST experience with cutting creosote! My house...where the clothes went....my truck where the gloves went.....my sawmill..where the dust went,all still smell like creosote :-[ Went through 2 blades on 5 logs.....we got the nails out with metal detector,but.........they were peppered inside with .22 caliber bullets :-\ Wasn't exactly my idea of a fun afternoon,oh well,live and learn.
Sandmar
I love the smell of creosote in the morning! ;D
Some friends of mine bought some land on the river a few miles south of mine, and are building a lodge. As we speak they are in the process of milling some creosote timbers that they are putting up for lap siding. Looks pretty good and hopfully the smell will subside within the year. ;D
Don't bank on it, Rockn. That house will smell like creosote when all of us are gone, especially when the sun shines on it. :-\
I've got some creosoted 6X10s, 3X12s and misc other material from the old road comm. salt shed that I'm going to use for the new sawmill shed. It's stacked in the barnyard and even when it's cold out just a little sun on it will bring out the creosote smell. When it's really hot and sunny the whole place smells of creosote. I wouldn't want that stuff on a house or anywhere near one
I'm going to look at some timber behind a fellow's house where he's lived thirty-five years and raised a family. He told me over the phone that there isn't any nails in his trees. He raised a couple of boys, and I bet they pounded in all the nails he never got around to. Boys, trees, and treehouses just go together.
Yep, and wives with flower baskets to hang are death on Southern Red Cedar. :D
Tom,
Speaking of red cedar, is there a tree with a greater likely hood of metal in it than cedar? The percentage of cedar trees with some kind of steel in it must be at least four fold over pine, the number two species in my experience. Alot of the cedar we get is yard trees and that explains a bunch. We also get alot of cedar that started its life going through a birds digestive tract and then sprouted under a barbed wire fence. When it makes it to the mill, "there's no nails in those trees". Actually, they are correct, but the hidden wire and fence staples cause enough problems. :'(
Yesterday, I ruined a couple of planer blades on a pair of nails. There we buried in the 4/4 board such that the sawblabe missed both of them, but not the planer! Frankly, I'm disapointed in woodmizers metal detector in this instance. Usually it works much better! ;D
Mark
Mark,
I think that red cedar is a nail magnet. Most every little nook and cranny, limb joint, stub, inclusion and many open flat spots have nails. Usually Box nails and they are driven by the hundreds. Sometimes you will find a 16 D and many times wire.
I shudder when I send my blade into a cedar. As a matter of fact, I metal detect even those that come from the woods. I think camps are set up under them and lamps hung from the limbs.
The remind me a lot of the power pole on the corner in the city. The one with all the years of signs nailed or stapled to it. The one that is so thick in metal that a lineman can't even get his spur in the wood. Lord help him coming down.
That's what cedars are. They are the natural version of the Power pole announcement center. :D
PECAN! The old-timers around here used to believe that driving a few big nails in the trunk would make the trees produce better and more nuts. ??? ::) They would also nail bands of tin or aloominoominum around the trees to keep the squirrels from climbing them.
Walnuts are the big favorite 'round here for that stuff :(
Oh yeah! I forgot about Pecan. You're right they get a bunch too.
Nope! No nails in these logs! I know there's no nails! ................... I just wish I had a nickle for every time I heard that. I don't know what to say anymore. It has almost become a joke. I have to tell them the cost for blades just in case I hit a .................... I can't even get finished .................no nails in these logs! I've been here for 40 years. My Daddy would never allow .......... Then when I hit a nail, they say hummmmm! How in the world did that get in there? Then I say to myself ............. ka ching! ;D ;D
A few years ago I picked up a large spruce tree from a backyard in Boalsburg. While we were working there, an elderly gentleman from one of the neighboring houses came by and said he remembered when that tree was planted. It was a lightning strike and had to be taken down. While I was milling the butt log I was really surprised that I didn't hit any hardware. Just a few inches from the pith I ran into a nail >:( After hitting it I kept thinking that he was probably the little bugger that put that nail in there many years ago :D
What I hear. "That must've been in there a lo-o-ng time. Look here, it's galvanized." :-\
Every time Grandpa sawed a black walnut he hit something so he wouldn't saw them anymore. They're not native to the area so every one has come from a yard or fence row.
I ran into a guy this morning that was apologizing about letting some Walnut logs go that he had been wanting to cut and have me saw. ::) I told him "It was not a problem although I had been trying to work him in as soon as I could and had kept hoping on a cancellation". ;) Inside, I was feeling so much relief because he is a repeat customer that gives good referals and now I'm off the hook. Now don't get me wrong I would have sawed them when it came his turn. You just have to see these trees. J U N K . Think of an old house with these trees running the fence around the yard and nails showing in every tree. Talk of $30,000 walnut trees are everywhere you turn around here now. >:(
This butt log looked really promising until I started winching it out of the pile. Nah, there's nuttin' in that walnut log :(
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Best thing I found so far, an 8 inch crescent wrench, the kicker was I was sawing a crotch on half for myself for bowl blanks ::) had to charge myself for a blade.
A few yeas ago my nephew bought a load of cull logs from the mill for firewood, one had been on the mill and there was a 3 foot piece of 1/2 inch cable in it.
Neither of those sound fun to try and saw. This next pic is from the same log as the chain was in. Maybe there's a flagpole in there ::)
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This is the log that stuff came from. I wonder what else is in there ??? Guess I'm lucky this was all visible.
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My arborist buddy brought me some nice little pine logs that came from 3 yard trees, last week. I hit a 6 penny nail about 6 inches from the butt end of the first butt log I sawed. Scanned the other 2 and found metal in the same place in both of'em...just one little chirp on the detector, so I assume it was the same kind of nails. Fortunately, he had bucked the 12 footers on the generous side, so I was still able to get 12 feet out of them by just lopping the end off. :) Kinda makes me wonder why someone would put nails in a tree that close to the ground. ???
DanG, maybe it was a little one. I picked up some spruce last weekend, and while I was loading them the owner of the property came over and was talking to me. She warned me that her grandson used that spruce as a tree house and that there could be some nails in it. Happened to look at the butt log as I was winching it on the trailer and noticed at least a dozen nails sticking out of the thing :( There was quite a few right at the base of the tree. They cut the tree just a few inches above the ground, and some of the nails were so close to the cut I don't see how they missed them with the chainsaw. Haven't decided if I even want to mess around with that log :-\
HAd a local logger right here in our home town wnat us to cut some trees for him while we were at a show . I said no as there is always nails. Nop no nails in these just bunched and processed them form the our last logging block. Well i thought that should be alright coming right from the virgin forest. (And i know where this guy was logging) So he brings them and it logpole pine ,it had the processor marks in the outside of the log so he wasn't makin it up and on the last tree GUESS WHAT!!!!!!!!!
We hit a lag bolt the size of your middle fingure. Well we sawed it alright but it do much good for the teeth on the saw had to replace them but we were able to keep goin. But we are really amased.(Should of seen the guy's face) So When i hear that exact same saying which we do all the time. I let em hear that story. They all think I'm makin it up until i pull the piece out and show em!
doublecut
They banned creasote on telephone here 20 years ago and replaced all of them with the copper arsenate, now aparently they've become a problem.
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A spruce from a backyard in Lemont. I already dug out one eyebolt and hook that was on the surface...they had a hammock attatched to it. Took off a slab from this face, then I heard it. Ouch.
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Cut the top right off of the thing.
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Still managed to get some nice 12" wide boards for my house sheathing :)
This week I was sawing a 24in historic eastern red cedar. About 6in from the center I hit two nice little square iron nails. :( Turned the cant and hit another one on the other side. :'( The nails look to be about the size of a horseshoe nail. Those nails had to be in there a long long time. Since I am to build some furniture out of the ERC for the customer, I should include the nails in the furniture someway since they are going to pay $ 40 USD for them.
I was just thinking the other week how lucky I've been with not hitting any metal in my logs ::) I cut a huge white pine that had a tiny staple in it, then I put a 14" dia. or so pine on the mill, and ran into rows of nails ('bout three in a row) about 12" apart all the way down one face >:(
As you can see I didn't even get to finish the cut when I hit the eyebolt :(
I think ya cut someone's tree stand down. ;)
Nope. No nails in this one.
Just a RR spike. This one in a second log. Probably to hang a lantern sometime in the 1930's. And because it was in a second log, I found it with the sawblade.
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And the lead bullets don't hurt the carbide tips....
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...it's the nail in the center that held up the target you have to watch for. ;)
Yeah, I don't mind hitting lead, ya don't know ya hit it until you see the shiny spots in your board/cant ;) Bob, it looks like you only hit a little bit of that spike...just the tip ??? I don't know if that blade I clipped the eye bolt with will cut right again, gotta sharpen it and test it out sometime.
Bob, is that spike out of the log that you posted a picture of in the parbuckling thread ???
I don't know if that could've been a tree stand or not, SD. This was a yard tree in State College, but it is one of those developments on the outskirts of town, so I don't think it's been there that long. It's amazing the farms and woods that are now sprouting housing developments.
> is there a tree with a greater likely hood of metal in it than cedar?
A 300 year old white oak in the front yard of a corner lot.
Quote from: ohsoloco on April 02, 2006, 07:51:25 PM
Bob, is that spike out of the log that you posted a picture of in the parbuckling thread ???
Yes. A 60", 240-year-old Pacific Madrone or Arbutus. Wood similar to beech but heavier and harder. A favorite of turners.
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Here's what it looks like finished:
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Nice lookin wood Bob. 8)
Is it me, or was this thread hijacked? Looks like it came back on topic though.
When I hear "There's no nails in those logs", my response is: "well then you shouldn't have any problem signing this contract that says you pay for blade damage will you?"
I think it must be you. This thing is just taking a typical Forestry Forum wander. :D
Tom how can it be typical?
there's no mention of food ;D
Iain
I had forgotten how nice that arbutus is. :)
Food has already been brought up. Didn't you hear them talking about all the walnut trees? Food grows on them trees ya know.
I like that little coping saw. You could use that at the Sunday table to help cut up in-bone hams. :)
Outstanding work.. 8)
Tom, just get yourself a used bandsaw blade and make yourself one. It could also be used as a bread knife. We made some in school over 20 years ago from shop band blades that broke. ;D
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The article I wrote on making those improved coping saws is here, if the rules here allow the link:
http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=12073&highlight=Coping
Better blade tension than the storebought ones allows more accuracy and versatility.
Ohhhhhhhhhhh nuts! Bob! Thank you Darn you! ;) A new woodworking forum I didn't know about. Now I will be spending hours going through the archives.
Just jesting about darning you - What an awesome forum!
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kj, ya just gotta hate it when that happens :D :D :D :D I'm drooling over Bob's pics too.