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Started by bitternut, June 18, 2022, 10:23:33 PM

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bitternut

Today I dropped a bunch of black birch polewood for firewood. I plan on leaving them lay till the leaves dry up. Should only take about a week or so. Then I plan on removing the small branches and skid them out for processing into firewood.

My hope is that the leaves will suck a lot of the moisture out and will give me a jump start on the drying. Anyone have any opinions on whether this will result in faster drying time? It seemed to work once in the past when I dropped a bunch of beech and left them lay in the woods for a week. When I returned later the leaves were all brown and dried up. The firewood seemed to season real fast and burned well. Hope it works, I'm a little behind this year. :embarassed:

beenthere

My opinion is it will not have any measurable effect.  But if it feels good, do it.  Be better to use that leaf-drying time for making firewood.
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barbender

The local paper mill wants summer cut wood delivered as fresh as possible. If you are cutting company land, they will not let bunched wood lay around- they want it limbed immediately to prevent the leaves from sucking additional moisture from the stem. So they think it makes a difference, anyhow.
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Ianab

I imagine it would make "some" difference, especially in sapwood where water can move more freely. With small trees, you have a larger % of sap, so there could be more drying? Water in the heart wood is less mobile, so I don't think it would have a big effect there. 

I don't have any numbers, but from experience with pine and cypress trees, if they have been down for a week or so in summer it's a lot easier to burn the limbs and twigs, vs cut and limb right away. That suggests to me that there is less moisture, at least in the needles and branches.  

I guess the question is, will the tree lose more moisture sitting there with leaves intact, or split and stacked with the air able to circulate? That I don't know. 
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stavebuyer

One thing it will do is keep the bark from "slipping"; which is a big deal for sawlogs. For firewood I think the wood will dry faster without the bark so personally I wouldn't wait.

Try some of each. 

SwampDonkey

I've seen sugar maple firewood logs cut in the winter keep small limbs with leaves alive for 3 months of northern summer. Cut and stalked in the sun and wind will dry much faster, covered under a roof or tin. Mine dries fast under the house porch deck. But it's there almost 6 months before I use it, April-October. Stuff I stack in the basement has a dehumidifier going. Your fastest drying is the free water that the leaves use, the bound water is longer. Sugar maple is green at over 36% I think, I dry my firewood down around 18%, it gets dryer inside when the furnace is going during winter, 12% according to the moisture meter. All I ever use to light the fire is some newspaper (those sales flyers come in handy ;D ) and a match. Just stack on top like a pitched roof, split side down on the paper. Give'r some air and a fire ball in short order. :D  I don't sell wood.
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cutterboy

bitternut, July, August, September and October are good drying months and four months are all you need to dry firewood. If you get that black birch cut, split and stacked this month it should be ready to burn first of November.

BTW, black birch is a great firewood. I burn a lot of it.

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B.C.C. Lapp

I'm sure the leaves do suck some moisture out but I'd just get it cut split and stacked in the sun as quick as possible.    That works best.
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maineshops

Interesting thread ...I was working on my fifth cord when my splitter died so while I'm repairing that, with great ideas from the group, I'll go up in the woods and clean up some balsam poplar branches that I cut awhile back to run through the mill. It will be interest to see if it has lost moisture. Last time I went by the leaves we're still green. Still havin fun. Dan
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jimbarry

I knocked down a fir tree about a month ago. Currently sitting off to the side in a wide open windy area to wait until the needles turn red. Cut off the limbs after that, then block and stack the wood round. It will be dry. Likely will take a couple months before they turn red. Depends on the weather this summer.

hedgerow

Quote from: B.C.C. Lapp on June 19, 2022, 07:43:47 AM
I'm sure the leaves do suck some moisture out but I'd just get it cut split and stacked in the sun as quick as possible.    That works best.
I agreed with this. In the past I have dropped some locust 20 inch to 24 inch dia trees and didn't get them bushed out that day and they laid there a month before we got back to them and the leaves didn't seem to take that much moisture out of the tree. I would get it bucked, split and stacked as quick as your can. If you get a lot of rain this time of the year I would keep it covered. 

Spike60

Been thinking about this since this morning. Makes sense in the context that leaves will continue to draw moisture from the tree as long as they can, which obviously can't be replaced with the tree down. I'd figure that every species will be a little different as far as the time is concerned. But if it's only a week or 2 then it hardly affects the overall timeline for getting your wood in.

My guess is that it doesn't necessarily season the wood any quicker than getting it split and stacked. BUT.......if this works and you are a little behind like the OP is, the advantage would be that you could drop a bunch of trees and the leaves would provide a head start and get the drying process moving along before you actually get back to each tree to finish up.
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B.C.C. Lapp

When you look at it the way spike put it, then yeah, cant argue with that. And just hope it helps till you can get to it.
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doc henderson

I had an elm tree/log lay for 3 months and grew little branched leaves from the "epicormic growth centers" and they grew and stayed green for 3 months, using the sugar and sap in the log.  I agree if the leaves turn brown then no more transpiration and water loss.  Like senescence in the fall when they turn red.
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barbender

I heard a story, maybe a legend🤔 of Canadians to the north of here dropping paper birch, and then running a kerf the length of the tree with a chainsaw. The bark would curl away from the cut and let the wood dry. Never tried it myself, but I've seen the same effect of harvester cut birch logs. The feed rollers can chew the bark up enough that it will split open, the moisture content is noticeably lower on those sticks than with ones that have intact bark.
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doc henderson

back it and split it into shorter and smaller pieces.  I thought about building a wind tunnel around a row of crates.  you sure do not need to worry about "defects".  thought about a modified solar kiln with plastic.  and a fan in one end, or face to the prevailing wind.  any kind of low humidity, increased air movement, and heat to boil the water.  small chunks let water escape with less material to traverse.
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jimbarry

Quote from: barbender on June 20, 2022, 02:15:52 AM
I heard a story, maybe a legend🤔 of Canadians to the north of here dropping paper birch, and then running a kerf the length of the tree with a chainsaw. The bark would curl away from the cut and let the wood dry. Never tried it myself, but I've seen the same effect of harvester cut birch logs. The feed rollers can chew the bark up enough that it will split open, the moisture content is noticeably lower on those sticks than with ones that have intact bark.
Those that know it will advertise their firewood logs as 'harvester cut logs'. 


 

peakbagger

There is a pretty well proven method of making a "solar kiln" out of stack of firewood that will dry the wood to ready to burn in 3 to 4 months if you have sunny spot. Some folks on the Hearth forum have been testing it and have good results. The basics are pile up a cord on pallets and build an " A frame" type roof of an angled shed roof frame out of scrap wood to create a high point. Then wrap the sides and over the top with clear plastic down to the ground leaving an air gap so that air can flow up through the pallets. The trick is to cut a vent hole at the high point in the plastic and measure the temps at the top of the "kiln", the opening is adjusted to get the maximum outlet temp without building up condensation. Initially the opening is large but as the wood dries out the openings are made smaller. Many folks get about 135 degrees F out the vent. 

Some people use shrink wrap, some use plastic sheets. I have slightly different approach using a steel conduit frame and black plastic as that is what I had around. The claim is clear plastic is better but I used what I had around and saw similar results.  

sprucebunny

One year I spray painted some of the beech chunks with black paint. Just whatever was easy to get to. Mostly just the bark.

It was about 15 degrees hotter in the sun the once or twice I took the IR thermometer to it.

White birch almost requires splitting the bark if you want it to dry before it rots. Smooth barked oak and beech too small to split also seems to hold moisture well but I've never been sure about that since it's so hard to measure volume compared to split wood.
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woodrat

I've done that with trees that I take down in the summer. Haul them out in the sun and wait for the leaves to dry up, and then cut and stack. Not sure if it made any big difference or not. Smallish alder where I'm at, and soaking winters and hot dry summers, so it might have helped a little. Not sure how much help it would be on larger, harder woods.

I've done the lengthwise saw kerf on the wild cherry here so I could split it with a maul... works good for that.
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Ianab

Quote from: barbender on June 20, 2022, 02:15:52 AMI heard a story, maybe a legend🤔 of Canadians to the north of here dropping paper birch, and then running a kerf the length of the tree with a chainsaw. The bark would curl away from the cut and let the wood dry


Makes sense. If the wood you are trying to dry has a layer of bark, it has to slow the drying. Wood loses moisture fastest through the end grain, so getting it bucked into 12-18" lengths will be the most use. But splitting / peeling the bark must do "something" to speed the drying of log length wood. 
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Wood Shed

In my experience leaving a tree sit with the leaves intact to dry naturally will definitely lower the moisture content, have read that it will lower it to 20%, have not checked that but I have read that somewhere (probably here).  Split and stack off the ground like on a pallet in an area that it will get air circulation and protection from rain.    
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OddInTheForrest

i have done this with white birch here in norway, but then left it for 4months. Was ready to burn after splitting.

There is a way, used in the small circles around restoration of old log buildings here, called "Ring-barking". 
They cut of a 1m / 3ft piece of the bark at the bottom of a standing tree, and leave it for about a year. It dries the tree up, and makes it ready for axe-work and shaping rigth after its cut.

I have speculated in doing the same with a few trees in my firewood block, but havent gotten around to it yet.

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