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General Forestry => Timber Framing/Log construction => Topic started by: hopm on September 03, 2021, 09:05:22 PM

Title: Timber frame questions
Post by: hopm on September 03, 2021, 09:05:22 PM
Requested to saw some beams for a builder in our area. He needs 12 beams 6"x8"x14' with a 2" radia/arch cut on the bottom side. Material will be hemlock. This is my first attempt at such and I have a few questions and would appreciate your input.

Can these beams be installed green?
Will the 2" relief on the bottom cause tension to either build or release? And....what is the best way to remove material on the bottom side to give the arched appearance?
Title: Re: Timber frame questions
Post by: JRWoodchuck on September 03, 2021, 10:59:33 PM
Can't help on the green install question but the best tool for cutting the relief would be a mafell hand held bandsaw. But they run $6,000ish. 
Title: Re: Timber frame questions
Post by: Don P on September 04, 2021, 08:47:48 AM
Or put the beams on roller skates and use a $1200 Jet or similar bandsaw.

Anybody remember their chord math, what is the radius? A swingset over the bandmill could swing the timber through a fixed head... if the swing point isn't a mile high.
Title: Re: Timber frame questions
Post by: Old Greenhorn on September 04, 2021, 09:01:43 AM
Check out the bandsaw that @tule peak timber (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=25190) shows in some of his photos, not sure the brand, but perhaps you could adapt a small hobby bandsaw to work upside down like that? Laying out the line will take some figuring, but it's do-able for sure.
Title: Re: Timber frame questions
Post by: JRWoodchuck on September 04, 2021, 11:02:00 AM
Tule has a Mafell...
Title: Re: Timber frame questions
Post by: scsmith42 on September 04, 2021, 01:03:02 PM
A Pratzi Beam cutter (short chainsaw bar that is attached to a worm drive circular saw) can be used to cut radiuses in beams.  It's not as fine of a kerf as a band saw, but works ok.  
Title: Re: Timber frame questions
Post by: Ljohnsaw on September 04, 2021, 01:32:38 PM
Draw out your arc and creative use of toe boards at each end... ;)
Title: Re: Timber frame questions
Post by: Jim_Rogers on September 04, 2021, 02:10:08 PM
Tim, from Moon Hill Farm in Maine, did it on his band mill but slowly making the cut and raise and lower the band while traveling down the log.
show here:
Curves - YouTube (https://youtu.be/I6NBYTBFDgM)

Jim Rogers
Title: Re: Timber frame questions
Post by: Don P on September 04, 2021, 03:13:33 PM
I had to do some circlehead windows in a log wall and used the prazi facing 90° to the cutline and swinging on a wooden pivot arm to do the final chainsaw cleanup, it smoothed it out a bit more.

The next one was a table large enough to push what I needed through a shop bandsaw. I've seen guys put skates on a shop bandsaw, support the beam and push the saw through the work.
Title: Re: Timber frame questions
Post by: Jim_Rogers on September 05, 2021, 10:03:52 AM
If you cut away 2" from the 8" timber you'll have a 6x6 when done. If it were me doing it, I'd try and center the pith of the timber in the 6x6. That way what's left will be a boxed heart timber.
There is no way to know what the tension or stress is in that timber until you cut it. You'll have to "read" the timber while milling it to see if it moves as you cut it. And if it does try and release the stress/tension evenly.

Jim Rogers