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Re: Tennis Elbow?
« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2021, 07:41:01 AM »
That wood is good mallet looks sharp. I'm currently using one  copied off of what Chapell describes in his book. I wonder if the longer "arm" of my mallet is the culprit.  I may have to try one of those urethane ones.

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« Reply #21 on: June 08, 2021, 07:45:25 AM »
The longer the handle the more stress is applied.  Torque equals force times lever arm length.  I may have gotten a C in physics in college, but I do remember that.
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« Reply #22 on: June 08, 2021, 09:10:43 AM »
I sort of looked into various needle therapy's & accupuncture but it was all out of my area and out of pocket too. Plus it seems that many of them-I'm trying to be nice- have some hokey pokey stuff like meditation and aromas and other things I wasn't in tune with. There are enough western medicine doctors who also practice accupuncture to make me like the idea but I don't think Medicare covers them?

If there's anything good about tennis elbow it's that it goes away sooner not later for most people. 

I bought a small, re-chargeable electric StEM gizmo on Amazon and while it helps pain symptoms it's no panacea any more than the bigger ones Chiropractors use. 
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« Reply #23 on: June 08, 2021, 02:59:00 PM »
Uncle Arthur Itis. Getting old SUCKS  :-X
But you don't have to be old.
When I did admissions at my tech school it was a weekly occurrence to have ladies come in looking for a ticket out of a sewing factory and piecework sewing that had killed there hands and many were quite young. Thing is there were not many answers in a tech school where most all training is hands on-even the less physical jobs are keyboard related. A few had become so bad they were referred by KY Voc Rehab and sometimes had been thru the Workers Comp process by seeing a doctor then getting an Administrative Judge award (lawyers retained by workers comp) of what was mostly an insult to a working person. I saw the figure of $82 a week real often-try and live on that?
 The stories I could tell of workers crushed, maimed severely, lost limbs and yet a pittance came their way to live on. Lawyers that think that way are down there at the bottom of the food chain! Some couldn't even drive a vehicle,. CTS was by far the most common malady though. Some of those women I met with couldn't hold a water glass in their grasp. Sadly college jobs like a social worker or teacher were possibilities but these women had kids and bills to pay plus often they'd been out of school a long time too. Financial aid for students is often not for adult students at all and tailored to kids from HS directly into college. It's a mess for adults to re-train- my specialty I guess as I did it and worked to help others do it.
Yes, as a former tradesman and having been in the job training business a long time I do appreciate the realities of worker injuries and medical concerns.
This forum is full of folks who work at several of the most dangerous occupations we have.
In my own case I've had my share of repairs but also glad I got out early from hands on work I once performed. Now I can go on "Miller Time" in the afternoon when it's hot or my stuff begins to hurt too much.
Tennis elbow is in candyland injury wise but I know how much it still hurts.
Our company has over 100 foresters working in all types of terrain and driving 200,000+ miles per month.  We were north of 2 million safe work man hours when we lost our perfect safety record.  It was due to a carpel tunnel surgery for an admin.  I was at the doctor's office yesterday with a shoulder that didn't want to move.....along with generally feeling crappy.  She put me on doxycycline for possible tick borne stuff and did a full tick panel that will be back in 5 days.  She said the pain in the shoulder was tendonitis from repetitive use....rest a bit and then lift some weights to build muscle.  The other aches and pains are because you are not 25 anymore........ :-\ :-\


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« Reply #24 on: June 09, 2021, 07:43:23 AM »
One chiropractor I've seen (trying to reduce pain from sciatica which he gave up and referred me to a neurologist) told me that in his anatomy training they saw that some people simply have a larger carpal tunnel than others. He meant that the band of cartilage through which passes the bundle of nerves, vessels that operate our hands didn't rub as easily in some people. I suppose that's a potential reason you'll see one old person who never had it while others can become bad off in there early work life..  

Those girls I see lately in the sports page news who throw a softball nearly 80 mph-guess what they will deal with soon enough? For every repetitive use there's something lurking to bite us. 

I would think the most dangerous aspect, and by far, of those 100+ foresters occupation would be the highway miles or the sedentary office time sitting at a puter, not cruising the woods. 
 
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« Reply #25 on: June 09, 2021, 07:51:18 AM »
One thing to take a look at, often enough I'll have a timber at a comfortable work height for sawing or layout but when you stand a chisel up on it and try to swing the head of the chisel is too high for a good swinging position. It might be worth trying to roll some scrap timbers up to stand on if that is the case.

Uhh, about that painless weed whacking the other day, yeah I just have slow reactions, yesterday was pretty miserable. This too shall pass.
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« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2021, 10:01:13 PM »
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 One of the earlier suggestions mentioned switching hands. Tried it today. First thought, not being ambidextrous, the timber is way too high just as you said. Never even entered my mind before with my dominant hand on pine and occasional hardwood but off hand is very awkward, horrible form, and i don't even know what good form is supposed to be. Next was the weight. put the mallet on the scale and it came out to be 3 lbs 10 oz. If at the right height not bad, but swinging that thing twice as much now that I'm working on all oak in a bad position has to be the guilty party.  Cant wait to stand on some offcuts to solve the problem before my left hand falls prey to the same condition. 
Thanks to everyone for sharing your experience. 
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« Reply #27 on: June 11, 2021, 09:28:47 AM »
I get "tennis elbow" all the time from cooking. Chopping stuff and flipping pans all day long. Tried a lot of stuff to help it. A guy that comes into my restaurant is a trainer for the Seattle Mariners, he told me to wear a wrist brace at night while sleeping (keeps the wrist straight and tension off the tendon) Works like a charm. I wear the brace 1-2 nights in a row and pain be gone!! Try it

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« Reply #28 on: June 11, 2021, 09:41:51 AM »
My experience differs:
 Back in my 40's when I was dealing with serious CTS symptoms/issues, I encountered tennis elbow for the first time. 
I was already sleeping in wrist splints to avoid typical CTS pains that wake you up. It sure didn't keep me from getting tennis elbow, I used the forearm bands prescribed by my doc which worked OK but uncomfortable at that. 

Over some years I learned to hate those wrist splints but that's the regimen for alleviating hand pain (and just maybe tennis elbow pain too-who am I to say? :D) and trying for a non-surgical resolution.
 In my case I view the wrist splints as a means to have only prolonged what really did help-CTS Release surgery. I'm 20+ years since the 2nd hand and still get much relief. 
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« Reply #29 on: July 07, 2021, 07:14:27 PM »
I had tennis elbow last fall and it most definitely isn't fun. I was almost over it when I over did it and reaggravated it again. Several things I learned through it all. Pay attention to your body. Is something getting uncomfortable or difficult, then rest or do something else. Rest was the ticket to my recovery. Since that time I am much more aware what my body is telling me. Hope you heal up soon.

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« Reply #30 on: July 07, 2021, 09:59:27 PM »
Three days under the belt using the wood is good mallet. There is a big difference in shock with the urethane head, especially when you grit and swing on oak. Required torque is also less with shorter design. Now with better height, better form, better mallet , should prevent this from happening again.
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« Reply #31 on: July 07, 2021, 10:28:19 PM »
I determined mine had come from the neck this time, in a sorta funny way. I was asked to check on some critters during a vacation and was dragging a hose, talking in dulcet tones to the donkey and wearing a ball cap. I failed to notice the low board across the top of a stall and about knocked myself out (I mean what kind of numb nut hangs a board at head height!). Full out rolling in manure, splatter on the ground. Whatever the jar did it reset my neck and the elbow let go. Now the rest of my body took about a week to recover  :D. Probably not chiropractor recommended but it worked. I'm more and more conscious of how often we can feel pain in one place but it is really coming from somewhere else.
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« Reply #32 on: July 08, 2021, 09:24:47 AM »
Several things you can do. Rotate your wrist and hand from left to right as much as you can, that will stretch the tendon. Take a styrofoam cup and fill it with water to the top and freeze it. When it's solid cut the top edge of the foam down a quarter inch or so, so the ice is exposed then rub the ice over the sore area. 30 seconds to a minute is enough and will probably be all you can take. Put the cup back in the freezer and use it as much as you can. Keep cutting the top back as needed. Don't overdo it.
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« Reply #33 on: July 08, 2021, 11:21:04 AM »
I had it before, couldnt pick anything up without lots of pain, also couldnt let go of things quickly without pain, when I set something heavy down I had to let go really slowly, strange, but it was a horrible pain. I havent had the pain in a few years, it just gradually went away for me until non existent, I guess I got lucky.
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« Reply #34 on: July 08, 2021, 11:56:38 AM »
Just saw this thread. I've dealt with carpal tunnel for years, repetitive motion activities will bring it on. Painting, nailing, weeding, whatever. Painful to wake up at night, hands so numb and lightning bolts going thru them. I'm sure many others have the same thing. Only cure I know (no, not surgery, never) is relief from the activity (do less) and stretch the fingers/wrist. Edge of a table or desk, fingers out with downward pressure. You'll know how much you can tolerate. As far as tennis elbow, yep, that too. Bone chips removed years ago, told then too change careers, hah!  Heavy lifting, arms extended easily brings on the inflammation, which is what tennis elbow is. As said before in this thread, forearm strap works wonders on the immediate pain, and a couple (400mg total) of ibuprofen to address the issue is what I do. I am a regular bowler, could not do it without the forearm strap. And I go by the adage of "I get half as much done in twice the amount of time". Translated: slowdown.

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« Reply #35 on: July 08, 2021, 07:30:20 PM »
FWIW, Statins for cholesterol treatment can give symptoms of joint issues. I used to have to have my elbows (bursas)  drained on occasion and was lined up for potential carpal issues in the wrists and elbows. It turned out it was a side effect of Zocor statins. The problem went away when I stopped Zocor. 

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« Reply #36 on: July 09, 2021, 10:34:58 PM »
Built a few more feet of rock wall yesterday with some good sized limestone boulders. 

 this morning left elbow wouldnt go all the way straight unless i endured a sheetrock screw sensation.   Its better right now but i can still feel it lurking just under the surface, waiting for a good excuse to hurt again. 
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« Reply #37 on: July 10, 2021, 07:40:45 AM »
thank you all for sharing your experiences. 

when my elbow or wrists start to act up, one plant that helps me is stinging nettles (Urtica dioica)

i wave my arms around in the nettle patch and get about a thousand tiny stings. 

my skin doesn't mind it too much and the resulting burning pins and needles sensation seems to calm down the irritated tendons. works for me!


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« Reply #38 on: July 10, 2021, 07:51:04 AM »
Now there's one I've never heard. Next time I absentmindedly wander into a patch "I'm doing therapy  :D"
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« Reply #39 on: July 11, 2021, 06:33:02 AM »
Built a few more feet of rock wall yesterday with some good sized limestone boulders.

 this morning left elbow wouldnt go all the way straight unless i endured a sheetrock screw sensation.   Its better right now but i can still feel it lurking just under the surface, waiting for a good excuse to hurt again.
Its a sinking ship now lol capn gotta go down with his boat though 
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