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Offline SleepyDog

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Re: Should I be upset by this purchase?
« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2022, 09:40:50 AM »
I plan on sending it back for a refund, fingers crossed for a smooth process.

As for my intended use, in the immediate future it is to make pegs. I have seen making an octagonal peg using a table saw but appreciate learning to do the timber frame (8x10 shed) by hand, without power tools - using this as a trial run for feasibility of building an off grid cabin down the road. 

I also see myself using it to debark which I imagine this tool could perform decently well over time unless some others are correct in analyzing the way these particular handles were constructed. 

I am cognizant of the cost demands of building something like this as I am of what it takes to make the clothes I buy and food I eat. I respect those that create and want to support those who do quality work when I can which I was willing to pay a bit more than other options. 

I am also unable at times to differentiate between tools and toys :) When I get into something I like to take a deep dive. I would love to be able to pass on my tools to (grand)kids.

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Re: Should I be upset by this purchase?
« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2022, 11:51:11 AM »
If that is all the better he could do on the edge shape, I really have my doubts he got the heat treating right.
Too many irons in the fire

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Re: Should I be upset by this purchase?
« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2022, 07:09:17 AM »
The handle angles in relationship to the blade are a bit complex on some drawknives and simple on others. On peeling it matters a lot to have your hands away from the log or pole. less so if your making a somewhat intricate chair part. If your sort of green to the tool watching a few videos could prep you for whats best in size and design.
Us guessing about heat treatment from web pics is not easily done IMO. I know this- I've made some stuff not perfect, but it didn't sell for the "arm & a leg" price point either.
Sheath: I took up leatherwork when i went back to college age 30 to keep my hands busy after daily use of them for years-kept me sane, sort of... ;D
I did leatherwork at the kitchen table in a married student housing trailer unfit for a dog.
That said, a functional sheath for a drawknife is an easy peasy first off leather project. Simply go online and acquire a piece of properly tanned leather in a size allowing you to make a rectangle that will cover the knifes blade plus enough on the dull side of the blade to punch 3 0r 4 holes. Tie a short leather strip to each hole and tie up the sharp edge which is what matters for transport and edge protection. Be certain to not use leather tanned such that it will corrode your steel! Oak or oil tanned such as seen with gun slings, etc., is the better choice.
My peg use has been store bought, waxed, oak pegs and far more hand favorable when your hands are in mines shape. I love working wood but making pegs, not on my timeline or age and condition. One of those items machines makes sense? off grid or not your hands do have a shelf life factor, so pick yer parties carefully.  :D PM me and I'll send you picks of my three drawknives with dimensions via email. The oldest one is a really serious tool. It shows hints of an inlaid steel cutting edge from it's origination. Work of art it is, aside from a family Ozark heirloom.
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Re: Should I be upset by this purchase?
« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2022, 11:02:34 AM »
Blacksmithing is turning a useless hunk of metal into a useful item or a piece of art. General consensus seems to be that it isn't art. If you aren't handsome you had better be handy. 

It's a simple tool, a knife, bevelled on one side only, with 2 handles.

Is that an edge you would accept on a knife?
Are the handles attached in a way that will hold up to use?
Does it show any signs of him having bothered to try it out?

 Pull hard into a knot or 3 to test the handles and temper. If it survives that decide whether to risk grinding to shape or whether its his to do. If it sheds its handles or rolls the edge he tripped over suitability for the use intended. I have one that came with a log home package. It is too soft to hold an edge so it lives at the mill outfeed for debarking edges, a butterknife would suffice.
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Re: Should I be upset by this purchase?
« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2022, 12:17:40 PM »
As an amateur blacksmith myself, there is no way I would try to sell something of that quality. Unfortunately there are a lot of hacks out there right now that think they are blacksmiths and think their "work" is worth a lot more then it is. The guy who made that is not to the point with his skill & ability that he should be selling his products. There are smiths out there that do amazing work, this guy just isn't one of them.

If he gives you any push back with the refund then point him to this discussion. Also point him to the Barr website so he can see what a true professional charges for a high quality product and what they provide.

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Re: Should I be upset by this purchase?
« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2022, 04:32:57 PM »
Here's a noteworthy thought: This afternoon I was collecting tools & stuff in the shop for my next trip to my remote build site tomorrow. I need drawknives up there as I'm stockpiling logs to build with via a long haul and some need peeled there. I got out one of my knives, it's my 2nd best one but a real dandy. 
 I sharpened it and wrote down the blade stamp information to google now. it's branded as a G I Mix & Co., No. 1 EX. 9.  I found any number of them for sale and actually much cheaper than seems logical. One exact same one is $17.50. Compare that what with a 9" blade, what appears to be some sort of exotic black hardwood handle, properly attached and most obviously a serious made tool and we must ask the question as to why anyone would pay almost ten times that much for a blacksmith made tool-even if the work was superb?  
I have yet another one which has no brand marks but is also 8 or 9" blade and a properly made factory drawknife. It's sort of lightweight compared to the family heirloom knife I use less now and the G I Mix one. 
I would not want to try to match the quality I see in any of my three knifes with a handmade, custom version. That said I do seriously appreciate tools made with skill.

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Re: Should I be upset by this purchase?
« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2022, 06:58:00 PM »
The Barr draw knives set the "bar" in all of the log building yards around Minnesota, and I would imagine elsewhere. While it isn't something you'd need for peeling a 6" fence post, when you have a yard full of 20", 50' long red and white pine staring at you it's without equal. These logs are peeled not just of the bark, but also a bit of the outside layer of wood as well. Sometimes in one shot, but more often than not the bark is peeled, the logs are allowed to sit for a time and then any weathering is peeled off. They get used hard and hold up to it.
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Re: Should I be upset by this purchase?
« Reply #27 on: July 17, 2022, 02:43:05 PM »
I have been very happy with my barr timber framing tools.

If I was in the market for a draw knife, its where I would start!
There stuff looks really good.  I would send that one back, and go to Barr as well.
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