WHY Not a No "Bling" Relatively Quiet Saw to work with?

[donbj]

110 to 140. Back then that was big. Now every cylinder puts that out😂

[barbender]

 If I ever "hopped up" something it would probably be a saw, but it's unlikely. I prefer to just buy enough saw in the first place. I know some guys will say that if you mod it you have more saw for the same weight. I don't deny that, I just don't need another hobby to learn the ins and outs of. 

 If it's a saw that really "wakes up" from a few mods, that just tells me the OEM didn't develop it enough. I want a saw that mods don't really help😊

 When I'm used diesel pickup shopping, I ride right around the ones that have tuners on them or have been otherwise modified, unless it is one that was part of a emission/delete tune. Those engines already put out a borderline unhealthy amount of horsepower for their size IMO, and aside from that the tuners are messing with timing, and the fuel rail pressure. I suspect a majority of diesel engine failures are due to people screwing with them🤷

[DHansen]

I think with any combustion engine, 2 or 4 stroke, gas or diesel, there can be good modifications for the application.  But a poorly done modification is the fault of the person doing the job.  And this can be valve timing, carburation, exhaust flow or computer programming.  And the person using the product that has been modified can also be part of the problem a modification fails.  Some people are just better off sticking with stock if they don't understand the modification.  I have seen diesel fuel system need extensive fuel system work after a DEF system delete and the person that borrowed the truck added DEF fluid to the fuel tank.  Or oil injection systems deleted and the user forgot to mix the 2 stroke oil into the fuel.  For some users, simple and stock will work better.  And then we have the ones who will squeeze every last bit of HP from an engine.  And we all like HP.  

[barbender]

Stock isn't going to make a difference for a dummy dumping DEF in the fuel tank, just sayin'😊

[DHansen]

Twice I have seen DEF fluid destroy the high pressure fuel pump.  Then the metal fragments from the high pressure fuel pump push into the high pressure lines and plug the injectors.  Once on a 2021 Chev 6.6  and once on a Cummings.  2.5 gallons of DEF into a 26-30 gall fuel tank.  Stopped both vehicles dead within 15-30 minutes.  And a very expensive mistake.  Who knows what these folks are thinking when adding the fluid to the fuel tank.  Maybe he didn't understand the delete kit.

[barbender]

 VERY expensive mistake!

 We had a new hire add DEF to the oil fill on a new Cat skidder. And then run it after he realized his mistake, which ended up being about a $50,000 mistake. Basically turned the oil into glue, plugging the oil galleys and trashing the entire engine. Something about DEF triggers the stupid button, I guess.

[weimedog]

Kind of the "rest" of the story. A few take aways after a couple of days with the 585. It starts easy for a big saw. Idles like a lawn mower. Good solid power for the 28 inch B&C in the hard wood I'm cutting. 1/2 wrap lets me cut closer. The 585 is the best saw option I own for these tree's. And that's a LOT of saw options to pick from.

Husqvarna 585 Field Test & Review Part 2, "Raw" usually cut out stuff. - YouTube

[sawguy21]

I used to see saws with west coast handles that were bent so badly the bar cover was difficult at best to remove.