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mistaken for white oak
« on: April 20, 2022, 08:17:01 PM »
Hello everyone, I mistook this tree for a small white oak and I am not a novice in the woods. It was amongst white oaks, hemlocks and red maples in a PA hemlock bog. Any idea what it is? I suspect poplar but not too familiar with it. Thanks for your help

 

 

 

 

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Re: mistaken for white oak
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2022, 08:42:15 PM »
I see possibly red elm or dogwood family. Show me a close up of the buds and that would help....
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Re: mistaken for white oak
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2022, 08:43:27 PM »
Looks like Black Gum to me.
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Re: mistaken for white oak
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2022, 11:52:50 PM »
Looks like Black Gum to me.
The bark is wrong for black gum. It's much more indicative of elm.

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Re: mistaken for white oak
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2022, 12:21:01 AM »
Hard to tell for me on the bark pics.  Looks like a younger black gum which bark is completely different in central PA on my property than larger ones.  The heartwood and sap color trend.  Hard for me to tell though.  Google Image Result for https://s3.amazonaws.com/eit-planttoolbox-prod/media/images/Nyssa_sylvatica_bark_nwqq1q6K6kgs.jfif
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Re: mistaken for white oak
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2022, 07:33:47 AM »
Elm is ring porous.  Blackgum is diffuse porous.  The two will not be confused given a close up pic of the end grain that clearly shows the annual rings.  

From what I can see, the wood is diffuse porous, but the pic lacks enough detail for me to be sure.  
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Re: mistaken for white oak
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2022, 09:46:26 AM »
I will get some different pics of buds when I get a chance. Thanks guys

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Re: mistaken for white oak
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2022, 06:39:37 PM »
 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: mistaken for white oak
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2022, 06:42:03 PM »
Im leaning toward elm after doing some research, let me know what you think of the other pics i posted. its hard to get in close enough and keep the image clear. Thanks again gentlemen

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Re: mistaken for white oak
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2022, 08:38:55 PM »
You are right at the northern limit of its range, but it sure looks to be sweetgum.  The bark is right, the heartwood is right, the bud is right, the short shoots are right.  

If the specimen in the last pics is still alive, when the leaves come out that will confirm whether it is sweetgum or not. 
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Re: mistaken for white oak
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2022, 09:34:25 PM »
On the first photo it sure looks like sweet gum. They have it in north N.J. soyou may not be too far north.

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Re: mistaken for white oak
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2022, 02:03:35 PM »
Thanks again for your help everyone. I will see what happens when the leaves come out to know for sure

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Re: mistaken for white oak
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2022, 05:55:14 PM »
black gum it is!

 

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Re: mistaken for white oak
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2022, 08:05:03 PM »
Yep, that is it. 
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Re: mistaken for white oak
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2022, 08:13:31 PM »
What ID's them before leafout for me is all the 45 angles in the branches.
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Re: mistaken for white oak
« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2022, 04:43:13 AM »
Thanks for posting the follow up pics, helpful to everyone that we cash see this through to its end.
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Re: mistaken for white oak
« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2022, 06:55:37 AM »
PAbilly, do I win some type of door prize. That bark and also cookie looked exactly like small suppressed black gum on my property in Central PA.  Cheers
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Re: mistaken for white oak
« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2022, 08:21:19 PM »
No prize buddy but good call, I will revere your input on future tree questions though if that's any consolation


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