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Re: Trying to decide on chamber dimensions
« Reply #60 on: April 16, 2018, 10:05:06 PM »
Yes Sir!  You got water ;D.  That is a very good thing. 
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Re: Trying to decide on chamber dimensions
« Reply #61 on: April 16, 2018, 10:13:52 PM »
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Take steps to save steps.

If it wont roll, its not a log; its still a tree.  Sawmills cut logs, trees.

Kiln drying wood: When the cookies are burned, theyre burned, and you cant fix them.  So dont burn the cookies.

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Re: Trying to decide on chamber dimensions
« Reply #62 on: April 17, 2018, 06:19:40 AM »
Meanwhile, I steered another course, and decided to do a stick-built kiln and have just gotten the slab done.  :( I clearly didn't win the race. (if there ever was one)  :D

It is super-insulated with mono block forms on the side and polystyrene and plastic under it, which sits on 12" of stone. Did a monolithic pour. Pic is deceiving, but it's sitting 8" above grade. Forgot to put my J-bolts in, so will have to drill and anchor the plate.   >:(

Plans to start framing'er up this week.





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Re: Trying to decide on chamber dimensions
« Reply #63 on: April 17, 2018, 07:28:37 AM »
PA, looks great
Sometimes its easier to surface coat and seal the slab surface before the framing.  I used an epoxy garage floor mix on mine and its still holding up OK, starting to chip a little, but OK.  The vapors from the kiln will make raw concrete crumble over the years, so the surface will start powdering and chipping.  Also, depending on the door seal configuration, if its sealing against the concrete, the smoother the concrete surface, the better the rubber will seal against it.    

Sealing the concrete surface is also useful so that when the pressure treated sill plate gets anchored to the concrete, the caulk bead between them will adhere real well.

  
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Take steps to save steps.

If it wont roll, its not a log; its still a tree.  Sawmills cut logs, trees.

Kiln drying wood: When the cookies are burned, theyre burned, and you cant fix them.  So dont burn the cookies.

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Re: Trying to decide on chamber dimensions
« Reply #64 on: April 17, 2018, 07:54:42 AM »
Yellow, Thanks for the recommendation. I was considering using a real good, high-solids epoxy...then, was wavering with "oh, it's just a kiln..." Now you've convinced me as it will be SUPER easy to do right now.

Only caveat is that you are supposed to wait 30+ days for the concrete to cure. Moisture is also an enemy to epoxy, but I don't think I'll have THAT problem--spent a great deal of time with insulation and vapor barriers.
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Re: Trying to decide on chamber dimensions
« Reply #65 on: April 17, 2018, 11:00:24 AM »
I didn't wait 30 days, more like 30 hours.  Maybe that's why some of mine is chipping off.  Oh well, maybe I should have read the instructions....,, ::)
YellowHammerisms:

Take steps to save steps.

If it wont roll, its not a log; its still a tree.  Sawmills cut logs, trees.

Kiln drying wood: When the cookies are burned, theyre burned, and you cant fix them.  So dont burn the cookies.

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Re: Trying to decide on chamber dimensions
« Reply #66 on: April 18, 2018, 06:25:21 AM »
I can't wait 30 days either. I think I'll give it until the weather warms up again a little (snowing yesterday, after being 85 on SAT)  >:( :-\

I really like the 2-part, high-solids epoxy products available. Expensive but really work well.

As for doors/seals, I haven't quite figured how to build and operate them. Nyle has a kiln door kit that is VERY vague in description. Stan, you tuned-in? Any more info? Thanks.

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Re: Trying to decide on chamber dimensions
« Reply #67 on: April 18, 2018, 12:55:52 PM »
PA Walnut

Call me and we'll figure out what you need.
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Re: Trying to decide on chamber dimensions
« Reply #68 on: April 19, 2018, 05:59:46 AM »
K-Guy,
How can I reach you? Which extension?
When I dial-in, I've gotten into an endless loop or voicemail.
Thx
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WoodMizer KD250 Kiln
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Re: Trying to decide on chamber dimensions
« Reply #69 on: April 19, 2018, 06:50:51 AM »
Extension 212.  I know it by heart.  :D
The seal kit is pretty good, I've used it on my L53.  It's a good start.  The perimeter door seals are face seals and it's helpful to have them in hand when you are doing the interior door jambs to make sure they match up correctly.  The floor seal is a sweep and is a big piece of rubber, and it can be a pain.  The real difficulty is getting a good seal where the doors meet, at the top and bottom door and frame seals.  Since it's a three way joint, where the left door, right door, bottom (or top) jamb seal, all meet, it's hard to get it just right.  

Since the door frame face seals require pressure against them to close, I installed a cam locking trailer door kit, and it works the best.  The inside of the door skins, where the seals hit should be very smooth, or another piece of mating foam.  

Seals on big doors are challenging, since that is the pressure side, any little leak will make a difference when sterilizing.
YellowHammerisms:

Take steps to save steps.

If it wont roll, its not a log; its still a tree.  Sawmills cut logs, trees.

Kiln drying wood: When the cookies are burned, theyre burned, and you cant fix them.  So dont burn the cookies.

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Re: Trying to decide on chamber dimensions
« Reply #70 on: April 19, 2018, 07:26:52 AM »
I found the door kit to be very nice.  There is some aluminum angle that the rubber seals are snapped onto.  You can get inside the kiln and have someone shut the doors.  You can then position the aluminum angle in just the right position such that the door fully pushes the rubber seal flat and you cannot see any light from the outside.  Just make sure it is not your wife or she might lock you in and leave you there :D
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Re: Trying to decide on chamber dimensions
« Reply #71 on: April 19, 2018, 08:00:56 AM »
K-Guy,
How can I reach you? Which extension?
When I dial-in, I've gotten into an endless loop or voicemail.
Thx
PA Walnut
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