I had an opportunity to score some logs from trees being cleared in my neighborhood. I'm not familiar with the one in the pics below. Any guesses from this main trunk bark pic?
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Or here's a peek at some branches and buds.
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Also a look at what's inside.
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I would guess walnut, but I know very little.
Opposite branched. Ash.
Danny,
I have no clue what it is but the heartwood is very dark. I've personally never seen an ash where I live with this type of color. Albeit my experience with ash is almost always green ash. This was a planted yard tree so not necessarily native to my area.
Cliffreaves,
I would say no to walnut. Yes the heartwood is similar in color to walnut but that is where similarities to the other black walnuts on this property ends as the bark, branching, and buds are different.
Does it stink?
I learned long ago not to doubt WDH. :)
Opposite branching puts it in the MADCap Horse category. However when I look at the new buds in photo 3 I see alternate bud growth.
Confusing for sure. Bark sure looks elmy. The opposite branching at the top of pic #2 may be a red herring. The key is to determine if it is really opposite branched or alternate branched.
:D :D :D Depends who you ask southside.
"Looks like some of the Elm we have around here" not.
I like to say that cause where I am Elm is scarce most guys don't recognize it, and if I keep saying Elm someday I might be right.
You what Dr Phil says "even a broken clock is right twice a day "sounds like good odds to me.
Its walnut.
Draw a knife on edge across the bark. If it's dark underneath it's walnut. Buds look altetnate, also would make walnut a possibilty. Twigs look to thick to be elm from around here anyway.
Good point on the stoutness of the limbs.
If walnut, split a twig and the pith will be chambered with obvious dividers. The inner bark will be bright sulfur yellow. Stavebuyer may be right about walnut. If so, that pith will be noticeable chambered. Easy to check. Also, in the first pic, the inner bark does appear to be bright yellow.
pith in black walnut - Google Search (https://www.google.com/search?q=pith+in+black+walnut&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=0Pda69qSMkdjyM%253A%252C9opChRuRsasfNM%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kRTZfRkB6FazR5uY7Ca45AGuUMRjw&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjPosXump3hAhUDSN8KHcASC5wQ9QEwDHoECAkQBA#imgrc=0Pda69qSMkdjyM:&vet=1)
Sure looks like black walnut to me, but I'm not one to go against Danny!
One thing that struck me was how far off center the pith is in the photo that you posted. Looks like either limb wood or an extreme leaner.
Siberian Elm can have bark and color like that. But the twigs are WAY off. They sure look like Walnut to me with the thickness and sparsity. The Siberian Elm would have numerous slender tips. The bark cross section is also very dark like Walnut, which I think is lighter in Siberian Elm (only cut a few and never looked real close though).
I'm voting Walnut with maybe 75% confidence level. :) Wouldn't be the first one to fool me with weird bark. ;)
Quote from: WDH on March 24, 2019, 08:19:32 AM
Opposite branched. Ash.
Wait!! Is't always Ash. Now you say Walnut --- How can it be? This is the only thing that comes to mind... :D
Mass Hysteria (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA1SxZoFmOU)
My eyes saw walnut and splitting the twig will confirm or not.
Looks like walnut, IDing will all become clearer in about 2 weeks when the leaves come out .
The last 2 photos appear to be of 2 different species, one of which looks like walnut.
Just one simple twig split at the pith. "Just one simple twig", he said.
Quote from: KEC on March 25, 2019, 08:59:02 PM
The last 2 photos appear to be of 2 different species, one of which looks like walnut.
Nope, I guarantee that they are both from the same main stem of the tree. The big single log end was just 4'-5' below the multi crotch piece in the picture before it.
My Dad would have called it Pi double S Elm.
Quote from: WDH on March 25, 2019, 10:09:57 PM
Just one simple twig split at the pith. "Just one simple twig", he said.
I hear ya knocking big guy but I'm afraid were all going to have to wait till I can split the pith on the log. The excavation contractor pushed all of the brush into a pile the day after I cut the logs. I will take pictures and update you all then.
Quote from: low_48 on March 26, 2019, 11:30:38 PM
My Dad would have called it Pi double S Elm.
I agree that at first I thought the bark more closely resembled elm than the typical walnut in my area. But the branches don't look like our typical elm either. I have a neighbor who says it's some type of Chestnut but I don't know the first DanG thing about Chestnut varieties.
This tree and all the other trees I harvested logs from on this site were all already pushed down with earthmoving equipment before I got there. It has surprised me how identifying dormant trees laying on the ground versus still standing dormant trees becomes much more of a challenge, at least it does for this greenhorn anyway.
I also have a guy who "swears its hickory" ;D ;D ;D
The exposed wood looks like walnut as does some of the buds. But some of that brush is like maple or ash. From what I can tell there is piles of brush from more than one tree. If Danny or fellow dendro master were standing over that log I'm sure it would be solved in short order. ;) :D
The first branch pic and the second branch pic look like different species.
Agreed. Makes me wonder if it was a young black walnut growing up next to an Elm.
Quote from: SwampDonkey on March 27, 2019, 05:39:08 PM
The exposed wood looks like walnut as does some of the buds. But some of that brush is like maple or ash. From what I can tell there is piles of brush from more than one tree. If Danny or fellow dendro master were standing over that log I'm sure it would be solved in short order. ;) :D
SwampDonkey
You are correct as the first pic showing the main stem bark and the last pic showing the end cut of the main stem do have maple limbs with buds in the background. However the 2 limb pics I provided are both from the tree in question. In fact if you look close enough you will see that the second limb pic showing the buds is just a closeup of limbs in the first photo. The first photo has Danny's "Red Herring" (opposite branching) limb in the upper left too.
The last photo, I think, may be an Oriental Elm/Chinese Elm. I cut one for a guy many years ago and I'm not sure if this is the same.