Winch ideas

schmalts · September 13, 2016, 07:51:00 PM

Anyone familiar with this type of PTO winch? It looks to be from a tow truck. Price is right, but I am hoping to find info if anyone could tell me if a tractor PTO would be in the speed and power range to safely power this thing? It already had a roller fairlead and with the framework it could easily be made to lift with a 3 point. Just a thought... I know wrecker guys would probably know more but I'm hoping maybe some logging equipment might use similar winches.

pineywoods · September 13, 2016, 09:15:17 PM

You won't be happy trying to run that winch off your tractor pto. There's 2 problems...

1 The drive shaft will be short with some extreme angles on the U- joints. The joints will fail frequently
2 The real big problem. that winch is designed to run off a truck pto which has reverse..Your tractor pto is not reversable. Therefore no way to power out cable. Yes, there is a dog type clutch on the winch to allow you to free spool and pull off cable. There is no way to dis-engage that clutch with a load on the cable. When (not if) you get in a bind, the only way to slack off the cable is to put the pto in neutral and get on the drive shaft with a pipe wrench..
HOWEVER, all is not lost. That winch coupled to a hydraulic motor running off the tractor hydraulics, make a very nice logging winch. Use a lovejoy coupling or a couple of sprockets and a chunk of roller chain. Member Banjo Picker made up a very nice example and posted picks. I have that exact same winch mounted on the 3pt hitch of my 50 hp kubota. Powered by a small hydraulic motor plumbed into the tractor hydraulics.

schmalts · September 13, 2016, 09:19:30 PM

Yes! I was wondering if a hydraulic motor would have enough power and speed. I will try to find the post you mentioned. Any pictures of your winch?

Puffergas · September 13, 2016, 09:38:31 PM

If you could live with a trailer arch the pto drive could still work. Need to put an old manual transmission between the winch and pto for reverse. Good luck.

In the end a Farmi style winch might be more cost effective.

pineywoods · September 13, 2016, 09:51:30 PM

Mine is not as nice as Banjo's, but it does the job. I drag logs endwise up on the trailer rather than parbuckle.

North River Energy · September 13, 2016, 10:20:26 PM

If you drive that with a hydraulic motor, you'll probably get the power, but not the speed.
Find the specs for that rig, and you'll likely find a max speed rating for the drive end. You can then count gear teeth and figure out feet/minute.

A wrecker winch is for moving a large object once for a short distance with accuracy and control.
A logging winch is for moving many lighter objects, quickly over distance.

As Puffergas suggests, a Farmi/Fransgard/Norse/Tajfun (or the Chinese 'equivalent' of your choice) might be more cost effective if your time has value.

Puffergas · September 14, 2016, 09:04:25 PM

You also might want to consider resale value. Or if the old winch breaks can you buy parts for it?

On the other hand there is value in home built so here is a wild idea; build a donkey engine. The old ones were on a skid but a trailer should work. On the trailer would be an engine and winch. Could put a winch on the front also. Chain the tong to a tree and winch. Put a 3 point grapple on your tractor. The donkey can move it's self around with the winch.

schmalts · September 15, 2016, 07:37:13 PM

Ok, a buddy has a winch on a trailer. 3 speed trans, gas engine that may or may not run, but heavy duty. This could pull plenty, but anchoring it may be the hard part. Your thoughts on this? Less than $400 bucks
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coxy · September 15, 2016, 08:36:32 PM

looks neat there must be 400ft of cable on there hope you have better luck finding parts for the old 2 banger then we do we have a couple on old balers and cant find parts

schmalts · September 15, 2016, 09:37:16 PM

was thinking a hydraulic motor might replace the engine. or a smaller engine just running a different pulley size.

Puffergas · September 16, 2016, 07:56:25 PM

Looks nice! Can't see were the winch is. Is it just a wire tuger? Just a light winch for pulling cable. You need to pull hard but a light tugger could pull a heavy winch cable back.

schmalts · September 18, 2016, 09:19:31 AM

Quote from: Puffergas on September 16, 2016, 07:56:25 PM
Looks nice! Can't see were the winch is. Is it just a wire tuger? Just a light winch for pulling cable. You need to pull hard but a light tugger could pull a heavy winch cable back.

it pulled a drag bucket to clean sewers

schmalts · September 20, 2016, 08:04:13 PM

Im starting to think more about that winch trailer. I think a heavy blade could be put on the back to dig in, and then some safety shield on a swing out hinge for a cable break. The price is right, I would have to hope the motor would start but like I said, a hyrdo motor might work to replace it. What's your thoughts on using that instead of a 3point type?

Puffergas · September 24, 2016, 08:24:19 PM

Quote from: schmalts on September 20, 2016, 08:04:13 PM
Im starting to think more about that winch trailer. I think a heavy blade could be put on the back to dig in, and then some safety shield on a swing out hinge for a cable break. The price is right, I would have to hope the motor would start but like I said, a hyrdo motor might work to replace it. What's your thoughts on using that instead of a 3point type?

Are you talking about the drag bucket sewer winch trailer? I'm thinking a lot would pull a lot harder..

schmalts · September 25, 2016, 03:23:29 PM

Quote from: Puffergas on September 24, 2016, 08:24:19 PM
Quote from: schmalts on September 20, 2016, 08:04:13 PM
Im starting to think more about that winch trailer. I think a heavy blade could be put on the back to dig in, and then some safety shield on a swing out hinge for a cable break. The price is right, I would have to hope the motor would start but like I said, a hyrdo motor might work to replace it. What's your thoughts on using that instead of a 3point type?

Are you talking about the drag bucket sewer winch trailer? I'm thinking a lot would pull a lot harder..

Yes, the sewer dragger. I like the idea of all that cable. With so much of my land being not accessible via tractor I could pull trees a long way if needed. The guy has no clue as what the winch is rated but my guess is more than enough.

Puffergas · September 25, 2016, 08:27:26 PM

Is the cable at least 3/8"?? If the cable is smaller than that I doubt that it pulls enough. unless your pulling smaller stems.

If you know the ft/lbs that the engine puts out (and maybe convert to in/lbs) and multiply by all the gearing you could get close to the pull. A bit of figuring to it.

schmalts · September 26, 2016, 10:04:10 AM

Quote from: Puffergas on September 25, 2016, 08:27:26 PM
Is the cable at least 3/8"?? If the cable is smaller than that I doubt that it pulls enough. unless your pulling smaller stems.

If you know the ft/lbs that the engine puts out (and maybe convert to in/lbs) and multiply by all the gearing you could get close to the pull. A bit of figuring to it.

1/2 inch cable is what's on it, he he says. I'm going to look at it this week

schmalts · October 06, 2016, 06:22:50 AM

I bought the trailer sewer winch for $350.
I took the wheels off and will go back with road worthy tires In a couple weeks. I'll see if I can get spark on the engine and if do rebuild the carb and get it running otherwise find a different power option. A large lever controls belt tension to start the winch. I was thinking about a pulley to make it so I can pull the lever from a safe distance off to the side instead of a guard fence. What do you guys who seen cable snap feel a safe distance is? The thing must have 500 feet or more of cable. If it pulls it will help out a lot getting logs to the tractor

Fokke · October 06, 2016, 08:20:14 AM

This is the kind of winch I work everyday with. Some winches have a hydraulic motor but that is a different topic.
The tractor PTO works good, you just need the right gearing.

Quote from: pineywoods on September 13, 2016, 09:15:17 PMthe only way to slack off the cable is to put the pto in neutral and get on the drive shaft with a pipe wrench..

These winches are operated with the clutch of the tractor, so you can disengage the PTO and release the load. The PTO is engaged only when pulling and otherwise is in neutral, what bears the load is a ratchet built in the winch.

GraderDan · November 04, 2016, 04:08:17 PM

This is the Koenig winch I have on my tractor. Came off from a Dodge Power Wagon. It is slow, but does pull good and does what I need it to do.

schmalts · November 13, 2016, 07:32:44 AM

I've been working on the sewer winch in my spare time, meaning not often. Replaced a pillow block, and a chain drive. Instead of getting the old wisconsin running I'm replacing it with a Subaru I got for free. I ordered a wireless remote system and will use it to control the electric clutch on the motor. But first I want to get it running and see how it pulls before I trick it out with gadgets.

schmalts · November 30, 2016, 10:08:12 PM

Got the replacement motor mounted, I got a 14HP subaru for free from a buddy, I have the wireless remote wired in. all working good so far. I may have to gear it lower as this video is only in first gear and it is still turning the final drive shaft fairly fast but I have no clue how deep that spool is and I may be able to remove at least half the cable to gain power and lower the speed. The video is with the final drive in free spool so the main spool isn't turning. There is enough cable on this thing to steal logs from the other side of my neighbors 40 :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs9wucEWrdw

schmalts · December 09, 2016, 08:29:57 PM

It works good!
http://youtu.be/0-l3j6ekg0s

thecfarm · December 09, 2016, 09:07:57 PM

Yes,it does look good. You will really like that remote. That will save you many steps in a day.
Winches are handy. Not just for getting wood out in those hard places,but able to stop and get another log along the way.