The Whatcha Sawin' topic continues to be a "handy" place to post some of your sawing events and activities so we will start this New Year off with a familiar question:
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Whatcha Sawin' in 2020 ??
Nutten but you could send me those logs on that trailer :new_year:
I wish. Those ERC logs were brought to me in December 2014 and were the subject for me to start the original Whatcha Sawin' topic. It just seems right that they continue to serve as the topic banner.
I work the next two nights, but looking at the Hackberry and considering making wood for the pallets I have been planning. may some time before work!
We start rolling trucks in at 8 am tomorrow morning............. 8)
Happy New Year !
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Stay on the right tail of the bell curve my friend :D.
Roger,,,copy that !
This is what I'm working on, all SYP. I don't get very much time to saw, but I've been trying to go and saw at least one weedend day. I was able to go and cut 4 logs today. I
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f you cut on New Years day, you'll cut all year long , right ?
Those logs are a sawyers dream. 8)
I see some blue pine lumber in your future.
WDH ,yes some of them are blued, I'm sure they will be more so by the time I'm done.
Magicman, glad I'm starting with the easy stuff. Maybe I'll have this all figured out by the time I get them all cut. Actually I'm about half way thru the first pile. Its mostly the smaller stuff [ down to 10" tops ].
I had some fun sawing this guy up, maybe 26 inch diameter, 10 feet long. This was a battle.
I'm glad it wasn't a walnut, or I'd have been a little upset.
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Wanna trade?? ::)
So , how did you saw this? I have never dealt with a situation like this. I would assume you saw thru the cracks into " quarters " then would you put the bark down ? would you put one face of the "quarter " down ?
I custom saw and as such I have an obligation to the customer to advise whether a log could/should be sawn. If they insist, then it is on their dollar. In this instance, it became pre-split firewood. If I remember correctly it was Pecan anyway. smiley_devil
Some logs don't need to be lumber.
Quote from: YellowHammer on January 01, 2020, 08:12:52 PM
I had some fun sawing this guy up, maybe 26 inch diameter, 10 feet long. This was a battle.
I'm glad it wasn't a walnut, or I'd have been a little upset.
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If that isn't walnut, what is it? Looks like walnut to me.
I believe it's a Sarcasim-istic Sawyerism, a member of the genus, Lostus somemoneyus todayus :D
Quote from: YellowHammer on January 01, 2020, 08:12:52 PM
I had some fun sawing this guy up, . . . This was a battle. . . .
Ah, yep. I guess so!
Did that log spend ten years, as a target at the Cat Dozer trainng school?
Multiple earthquakes followed by a hurricane, then a tornado?
How does a log become that shattered?
:new_year:My New Years Resolution for 2020 is to do more sawing this year. I decide to give my resolution a little jump start by spending today January 1st doing just that.
I started the day sawing the 2 1/2" thick live edge slabs below from a nice elm log that proved to be full of beautiful surprises. I picked this log and 5 other similar logs up for free right here in beautiful downtown Palmyra just a month or so back. I know some of the logs will have even more character than this one. :) :) 8)
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Next I milled out a small order of ponderosa pine for a gentleman that lives in the next town to the west of me. He has been purchasing a little material from me lately and had a request for some 5/8" thick by 12" wide rough sawn boards. My frozen pine was really trying to test my patience this morning, but I didn't give in or give up. At one point I even had to use my pocket knife to scrape the frozen pitch buildup off of the entire length of my Turbo 7° blade, then clean it with diesel to get the remaining residue off so it would cut straight again.
The third log I put on the mill was a total bust. It was a large ERC 24"+ in diameter but turned out the entire log was full of heart rot. I couldn't even get any decent lumber off the outer perimeter so I had to just proceed to saw it into small enough pieces to man handle it to the burn pile. :-\ >:( :-\
I finished the day sawing some oak cookies and walnut ovals that my daughter and I will make into decorative pieces, cutting boards, or charcuterie boards once they have dried down.
I'll be starting 2020 off traveling about 170 miles to a custom sawing job northwest of Kearney Nebraska this weekend. The client is a friend of a friend, and acquaintance of mine. He is a contractor in the area and has a wack of walnut logs along with 2 little :o :o :o oak logs like the one below for me to saw. I took this picture when I did my pre-saw site visit in early November. He did a real nice job of quartering this log with a big Alaskan chainsaw setup. At that time he still had the second one (far left in the photo) to quarter up.
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Unfortunately the site is going to look quite different when I get there on Saturday as he received 12 inches of snow out of the last storm. :-\
Quote from: Southside on January 01, 2020, 10:14:25 PM
I believe it's a Sarcasim-istic Sawyerism, a member of the genus, Lostus somemoneyus todayus :D
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Quote from: YellowHammer on January 01, 2020, 08:12:52 PM
I'm glad it wasn't a walnut, or I'd have been a little upset.
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If that isn't walnut, what is it? Looks like walnut to me.
Yes, it was a walnut. ;)
It was a $400 veneer grade walnut log.
When I bought that log, it was still attached to another 10 foot long, $400 fresh cut, veneer grade walnut log.
The 20 foot long, $800 log showed very little stress on the ends and only about normal walnut end cracking. When I bucked it with the chainsaw and a few others before Christmas, I heard it pop, and I remember thinking "yep that one is stressed." It still looked pretty good though, or I'd have put it out of its misery on the sawmill immediately.
So couple days ago, I go out to the logyard and to my surprise, find out that over the holidays, the bucked log had virtually exploded like an alien had come out of its belly. Holy Cow. Ain't that special? I wouldn't say I cursed a blue streak, but some nearby squirrels did drop out of the trees because they had to put their paws over their ears and couldn't hold on.
How did I saw it? Well, I reached into my bag of tricks and used the time honored MPHB (Monkey Peeling a Hot Bananna) technique. Then I got to do it again, on the other log. I basically oriented the cracks diagonally and put them at the edges of the boards, rotating and rotating and whittling the boards down in width as the cracks got narrower. Then I went the edger and cleaned them up.
It happens. :D :D
Looking forward to cutting into this hemlock soon.
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Got me some of them, too. This is red maple. I bought the log at 17' long. I cut it into two 8'6" logs. I bought the log because I actually wanted that dark heartwood. Took a few weeks to a month for full development. Must have been a whack of aliens in this one.
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Quote from: DPatton on January 01, 2020, 10:44:10 PMThe third log I put on the mill was a total bust. It was a large ERC 24"+ in diameter but turned out the entire log was full of heart rot. I couldn't even get any decent lumber off the outer perimeter....
"traveling about 170 miles....... I took this picture when I did my pre-saw site visit in early November.
You made a 170 mile pre-saw site visit?? :o
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This one was not full of heart rot!! ::)
Wow WDH, you posted while I was typing. I hope that the sawing in 2020 will not be a "Bust" !! :o
At least all of yours will be QS. ::)
On Page 2 on day 2. Will this thread be 365 pages long?
Those hollow logs are good for table bases. As long as the good wood is thick enough, it carved the main wood out for you. Clean it up, carve as needed.
My first sawing of this year was Formica covered particle board shelving from Menards for a buddy of mine. He wanted to come over New Year's day and have me cut it square and to length for him. The laminate was whitewashed barn wood look. I said, you buy this stuff when I have piles of barnwood sitting here, go figure. He said well are you going to take the time to prepare it all for me and glue it up to be 15 in wide? Me: no, I don't have time for that. Him: Well there you go.
Two decent white oaks and single smallish log of chestnut oak. The bigger white oak (~22" dbh) has a second stem that only affects the bottom 3 ft. Got three decent 12' logs out of it. Smaller white oak (16" dbh) gave 3 nice 9' logs.
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Two loads of live oak inbound and cutting beetle-kill pine all day for the "Brown" job to start the new year off.
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No sawing for me yet . Hope to get logging by the end of the month . Going to try and get sawing in early March . Try and get some inventory built up 2x material . We had a nice bit sawed and not sold as we shut down the mill late last fall . Of course as soon as we had everything covered and closed we sold all that and could have sold more .
It seems that's always the way of it .
Quebecnewf
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Quote from: DPatton on January 01, 2020, 10:44:10 PMThe third log I put on the mill was a total bust. It was a large ERC 24"+ in diameter but turned out the entire log was full of heart rot. I couldn't even get any decent lumber off the outer perimeter....
"traveling about 170 miles....... I took this picture when I did my pre-saw site visit in early November.
You made a 170 mile pre-saw site visit?? :o
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This one was not full of heart rot!! ::)
MM,
Yes I did do a 170 mile pre-saw site visit! ;) ;D
But like I said the client is a friend of a friend. Stephanie and I just happened to be visiting those friends for a few days when the client called. The client lives just 12 miles away from our friends house, so I took a little side trip while we were there.
OK, I can go with a 12 mile side trip. Side trips are the only site/pre-saw visits that I make because cellphone pictures do a wonderful job.
WDH and/or Yellowhammer, can y'all explain to me what might cause the stresses in those logs? I've never seen anything like that! Thanks in advance for your help.
In my logs, there are some very dark black lines in the heartwood. My take is the log was bacterial infected, and the infection weakened the wood, leading to the failure of the wood fibers. Also likely a contributing factor was natural growth stress in the log, which combined with the bacterial infection, did the job as the log began to dry out some.
My log was an odd one because I didn't have obvious stress in the ends of the logs when I bought them. However I did notice some odd twist in them when sawing them up. So my thinking is that the 20 foot log has stresses induced by the twist, and when I bucked it, the log unraveled like a rope. The cracks in the log were slightly spiral, and added to the sawing fun.
It's not unusual for wanut logs to be stressed, in fact it's one reason veneer buyers like to see a foot of trim on each log. However, this was an extreme case.
Robert,
I saw pine trees twisted off about 15' - 20' high when Hurricane Hugo came through. Would tornadoes do something like that to a standing tree that might not show up till years later when the tree was cut down? Any thoughts or experience in that area?
Quote from: YellowHammer on January 02, 2020, 10:34:34 PMIt's not unusual for wanut logs to be stressed,
It is however quite usual for walnut log buyers to be stressed.....;D
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My first board (ash), cut on my first mill (outside my home junky alaska mill with a lil farm boss).
1500 miles in 2 days and I'm home with a lucas 827, ordered the slabber on the way home.
60ish logs to go on the first round of the next chapter of my life. Thank you to all on this forum for giving me the confidence to try something I truly enjoy as a business and not simply a hobby.
Happy sawing for 2020 (that's weird to type). May all your logs be metal free.
Quote from: tule peak timber on January 02, 2020, 04:38:06 PMcutting beetle-kill pine all day for the "Brown" job to start the new year off.
That's a lot of wide pine! What's the job entail?
jcald327.you will really like sawing now!!!
Congratulations Jcald327 on your "new to you" Lucas. Welcome to the Forestry Forum and to the world of sawing. :)
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I broke it in two on the truck yesterday, just managed to lift the biggest piece enough to drive the truck out with the 4t forklift to help the LD9. Then got it to the side of the yard with the LD9 mostly on two wheels - and the old girl is good for 14000 lbs .
Job for the Lucas mill methinks... Or at least until I whittle it down some. ;D
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on January 02, 2020, 11:17:22 PM
Robert,
I saw pine trees twisted off about 15' - 20' high when Hurricane Hugo came through. Would tornadoes do something like that to a standing tree that might not show up till years later when the tree was cut down? Any thoughts or experience in that area?
That's a possibility, but I don't know. Maybe, because since the ends of the 20 footer looked pretty calm, it seems the mid part of the log had developed a severe twist, almost like a wringing the water out of a rag. We get enough tornados around here it seems the twist in the log was externally induced. This was an odd one from the start, it was unusually straight, which usually indicates a deep woods tree, but if you look at the sap ring in the picture, its pretty thick, indicating a fast growing, field tree. I also noticed that when it was unraveling on the mill, a strip of rope bark came off, indicating that it had been lightning burned, but it would have been a pretty light hit as there wasn't an obvious lightning scar, which would have prevented me from paying good money for it. So maybe it got lightning scorched and that caused it to twist as it grew. So, I'm not sure exactly what happened.
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Quote from: YellowHammer on January 02, 2020, 10:34:34 PMIt's not unusual for wanut logs to be stressed,
It is however quite usual for walnut log buyers to be stressed.....;D
Thats the truth. Paying for a load of logs that cost as much as new little compact car can be a stressing. Especially knowing that walnut is one of the species with the highest value drop off for reduced grade lumber, and it is probably the worst species around here for high value lumber recovery. However, the real high grade lumber sells as fast or faster than I can dry it, and recently I've been supplementing my inventory with some Missouri walnut, which as also high quality. Here is some of my walnut I got out of the kiln and unstickered yesterday evening, getting staged and ready for planing. Zero knots, and sawn with just a hint of sapwood so that I can have a buffer when I straight line these boards to be pure heartwood. These will sell for $10 per bdft, after planing, as fast as I can put them on the shelf.
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Here is some cherry I was edging, it pretty nice looking, no knots, premium grade.
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Quote from: tule peak timber on January 02, 2020, 04:38:06 PMcutting beetle-kill pine all day for the "Brown" job to start the new year off.
That's a lot of wide pine! What's the job entail?
The "brown " job is 6000+- square feet of custom wall panel for the Rise Hollywood apartment building.Custom color , texture and finish for this upscale new construction project.
Quote from: KenMac on January 02, 2020, 07:55:47 PMWDH and/or Yellowhammer, can y'all explain to me what might cause the stresses in those logs?
Notice that mine (Reply #12) and WDH's (Reply #21) both show ring shake which would suggest bacteria related. YellowHammer's (Reply #11) does not exhibit ring shake. His pith is badly off center and also the sapwood is much thinner on that side, so his stress was induced as the tree grew. It could have grown on a hillside or most likely was crowded (shaded) on the "thin side" and had more growing room on the thick side. There were probably more limbs and roots on the thick side. You see this quite often on what I call "edge" trees that have woods on one side and an opening on the other side.
With this internal stress already built in, the tree could have taken a hard fall when felled and then Robert finished the stress (energy) release when he bucked the log.
I have a yard full of these "treasures". I charge extra for these boards....
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I think MM is on target, but most edge trees show a little crook where they start following the sunny side of the edge, their canopy gets heavier on that side, they crook a little and then straighten back up. However, this tree was very straight from bell to first fork. The pith was off center, qnd it definately has some twist to it, also. So maybe between all those factors, it was a doomed log. It's also odd that even when I was sawing it, the cracks would not propagate to either end, but would twist off to the edge about 5 feet down the log and separate off and fall to the ground. So even as I was sawing it, energy was being released. I wish I had taken more pictures as I was sawing it, but I was dodging the squirrels falling.
I definately got a lesson in this log. I'm always learning. I just hate it when the lessons are so expensive.
Thank you all for sharing your knowledge and thoughts about these logs. I'm definitely learning from you guys every day!
I mostly just lurk and bask in the knowledge of this great forum but I was inspired to throw up a few pics as it seems everyone enjoys those...Especially me! :)
Unfortunately nothing fancy or beautiful, just utility lumber. 2x framing lumber sawn oversize for straightening after drying and some 1by oak for siding on our newish mill shed. you can see the nailers in the back ground for the siding.
The shed is still a mess but we are figuring out materiel flow and handling as we work through a backlog of logs. Very much looking forward to having a place to efficiently produce lumber. (well..as efficiently as we can with a manual mill! :D) I guess all the more reason to not waste steps.
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Dropped this one today. Do I make cookies or slabs? ??? It's around 20" diameter
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Some of both....
Quote from: busenitzcww on January 03, 2020, 11:06:28 PM
Dropped this one today. Do I make cookies or slabs? ??? It's around 20" diameter
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we love the boxelder, it is a shame we can't keep the color.
Is that boxelder? I guess the red is caused by somekind of fungus? so what happens to the red, does it turn brown or black or .... ?
Box Elder (http://hobbithouseinc.com/personal/woodpics/box%20elder.htm)
We cut a lot of boxelder, the red will turn to pink and stay if it's kept inside and out of the sun.
Quote from: YellowHammer on January 03, 2020, 01:23:36 PM
I think MM is on target, but most edge trees show a little crook where they start following the sunny side of the edge, their canopy gets heavier on that side, they crook a little and then straighten back up. However, this tree was very straight from bell to first fork. The pith was off center, qnd it definately has some twist to it, also. So maybe between all those factors, it was a doomed log. It's also odd that even when I was sawing it, the cracks would not propagate to either end, but would twist off to the edge about 5 feet down the log and separate off and fall to the ground. So even as I was sawing it, energy was being released. I wish I had taken more pictures as I was sawing it, but I was dodging the squirrels falling.
I definately got a lesson in this log. I'm always learning. I just hate it when the lessons are so expensive.
If the log looked good when you bought it and didn't show any signs of stress, how does one know?
Thanks, I'm going to keep my eyes open for some of that.
I knew if I looked up growth stress and beenthere I'd find it. This is a good article on what we're seeing in a lot of the pics above;
https://www.fs.fed.us/ne/newtown_square/publications/technical_reports/pdfs/2004/316papers/Cassens1GTR316.pdf (https://www.fs.fed.us/ne/newtown_square/publications/technical_reports/pdfs/2004/316papers/Cassens1GTR316.pdf)
@Anderson (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=16130) What are the green buckets? I'm assuming this is saw dust. What are you doing with it? Looks like you'd have to stoop over a lot to pick those up. I just keep 3 rubbermaid 42 gallon garbage cans near the mill for dust, bark, etc. I burn all my dust and bark. If you have woods around, that is a lot of fuel, then that may not be a good option unless you can burn somewhere in the open. You don't want any fireflies to come out of the burn barrels and start something. Where I burn has gravel and mowed grass, but I don't burn when it's dry or when it's windy.
https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=95735.msg1476521#msg1476521 (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=95735.msg1476521#msg1476521)
Don P, I had not seen that article. Its was very good and explained how I try to saw to remove stress. I was very informative. The picture at the top looks like my log. Nasty.
Boonesyard, the key at least for me, to sawing highly stressed logs is to get top them fast, before it has a chance to explode. For every board that comes off, the level of input stress on the center is reduced. If the magnitude of the stress can be reduced to less than the failure point of the wood, the boards will move but they won't crack. So with proper sawing techniques, kiln drying and edging, it's just another routine walnut log. If I wait a bit after bucking, like I did, bad things happen.
Quote from: YellowHammer on January 06, 2020, 10:16:53 AM
Don P, I had not seen that article. Its was very good and explained how I try to saw to remove stress. I was very informative. The picture at the top looks like my log. Nasty.
Boonesyard, the key at least for me, to sawing highly stressed logs is to get top them fast, before it has a chance to explode. For every board that comes off, the level of input stress on the center is reduced. If the magnitude of the stress can be reduced to less than the failure point of the wood, the boards will move but they won't crack. So with proper sawing techniques, kiln drying and edging, it's just another routine walnut log. If I wait a bit after bucking, like I did, bad things happen.
Got it, thank-you.
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My first board (ash), cut on my first mill (outside my home junky alaska mill with a lil farm boss).
1500 miles in 2 days and I'm home with a lucas 827, ordered the slabber on the way home.
60ish logs to go on the first round of the next chapter of my life. Thank you to all on this forum for giving me the confidence to try something I truly enjoy as a business and not simply a hobby.
Happy sawing for 2020 (that's weird to type). May all your logs be metal free.
congratulations and you will greatly enjoy the Lucas!
Inbound black oak this morning
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Is that part of the one that you pictured here?
Whatcha Sawin' 2019 ??? in Sawmills and Milling (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=105481.msg1699831#msg1699831)
No Lynn, the big guy will be here in a day or two. These logs are also black oak but smaller- good bar top material ;D
Yup, I saw that it was smaller which is why I asked if it was "part"?
It looks like you are deep into Black Oak!! :o
Well, it wasn't very warm out there today, but that comment should be in the weather thread.
But I lowered the loading arms so I could load the first log of 2020 to be milled.
They didn't lower far enough due to the ice on the driveway:
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But I did manage to get a log loaded and cut out an 8x10x16' timber for a timber frame customer. This is a plate.
along with some 4x4s and 2by.
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Jim Rogers
Looks like Jim is Pine-ing for better weather....
Some red oak that's been down for a couple years. First log for me so gonna keep a few for myself. Didn't have any bunks down so we're down as low as we can go. Made a bunch of 1x5s x 13ish feet for my buddy's board and batten hunting cabin. Not sure how red oak will hold up, but it was his log and his idea so yea.
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still milling cedar😀
It's good to see you up and sawing. No more blue tarp siding for you. 8)
Quote from: Magicman on January 06, 2020, 10:17:27 PM
It's good to see you up and sawing. No more blue tarp siding for you. 8)
Yep glad to get rid of the tarps
Jcald, what we often set up is a couple of 6x6's as bunks to saw on inside the mill and around 12' long ones set just beside but not touching those to make a "deck" running from outside the frame that we load several logs onto. Then it is just roll in and onto the bunks and chock, any movement of the deck is not affecting the bunks. The deck 6x's have long tapered ends at the far outside end in case we need to roll something up on them (when we don't have a machine to load the deck). It doesn't hurt a thing to use 8x and its more stable but that stuff is a bear to move.
Borate that red oak and it'll keep the powderpost from moving in next spring.
Don P, good tips. It's on our list, my bud is just 100 percent against using heavy oak as bunk beams because he doesn't want to move them we go mobile, cant say I blame him, hes eyeing a few poplar, and were probably going to break it down and move it to a more conducive location for loading and unloading of logs and lumber. More pics today. This is the LIFE!
Haven't sawn anything yet in 2020. I did replace the positive contact on the contact strip yesterday and it doesn't fit right. I ran out of time because I had to take Vera to a dr appointment so I'll fix it today. It'll only need a little filing on th mounting bracket and all will be well.
Quote from: Jim_Rogers on January 06, 2020, 04:35:11 PM
Well, it wasn't very warm out there today, but that comment should be in the weather thread.
But I lowered the loading arms so I could load the first log of 2020 to be milled.
They didn't lower far enough due to the ice on the driveway:
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But I did manage to get a log loaded and cut out an 8x10x16' timber for a timber frame customer. This is a plate.
along with some 4x4s and 2by.
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Jim Rogers
Jim,
It looks like you need to cut a pair of wedges for yourself to use.
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back at it today. This nice log made 6 pieces of siding
Pretty sticks...... :)
Quote from: KirkD on January 07, 2020, 11:37:27 AM
Quote from: Jim_Rogers on January 06, 2020, 04:35:11 PM
Well, it wasn't very warm out there today, but that comment should be in the weather thread.
But I lowered the loading arms so I could load the first log of 2020 to be milled.
They didn't lower far enough due to the ice on the driveway:
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But I did manage to get a log loaded and cut out an 8x10x16' timber for a timber frame customer. This is a plate.
along with some 4x4s and 2by.
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Jim Rogers
Jim,
It looks like you need to cut a pair of wedges for yourself to use.
Well, I guess I could, but Bob is here now to help me:
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He does all the heavy lifting around the sawmill yard.
Jim Rogers
Inbound live oak today. Hard to deal with, hard to dry, hard to finish- one of our best sellers....
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Quote from: Brad_bb on January 05, 2020, 11:24:21 PM
@Anderson (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=16130) What are the green buckets? I'm assuming this is saw dust. What are you doing with it? Looks like you'd have to stoop over a lot to pick those up. I just keep 3 rubbermaid 42 gallon garbage cans near the mill for dust, bark, etc. I burn all my dust and bark. If you have woods around, that is a lot of fuel, then that may not be a good option unless you can burn somewhere in the open. You don't want any fireflies to come out of the burn barrels and start something. Where I burn has gravel and mowed grass, but I don't burn when it's dry or when it's windy.
https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=95735.msg1476521#msg1476521 (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=95735.msg1476521#msg1476521)
The green buckets are mineral tubs I..err..procured at the "dumpstore" ( dumpster) ;D I was throwing the sawdust in them to put on my truck later. I haul logs to our mill shed and back haul lumber,slabs and sawdust. No real good place to burn anything at my place or the mill shed where I can keep a eye on it. so I just pile it and let it rot. Slabs mostly go to friends for firewood and we burn some ourselves for heat.
I am still hauling stone for the road to the shed, so don't have wet weather access with my truck yet but when I do, I plan to load it with slabs, sawdust and lumber right off the mill. Touch everything as few times as possible. :)
Very beautiful table
Quote from: tule peak timber on January 07, 2020, 02:59:47 PM
Inbound live oak today. Hard to deal with, hard to dry, hard to finish- one of our best sellers....
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Tule Peak, That table is very nice. In a sorta related topic, I signed up for an Epoxy river table class in Sarasota, FL next month, and I chose Live Oak for my project. I'm taking the class to gain more confidence in working with my own slabs, and your pic makes me glad I chose that type.
Steve
Thanks for the comment. We have two types of live oak here (coastal and canyon ) and they make cool table material. The river table thing has become super popular in epoxy when it started out as inset glass and was pretty expensive. I sell a lot of river table kits to folks who want to save some money. Good luck in your class!
The two live oaks from around here. Rob
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The character in each of those pieces is evident. Very nice.
Inbound black oak this morning.
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Quote from: tule peak timber on January 08, 2020, 02:22:00 PM
Inbound black oak this morning.
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You're small.
Alan
Inbound live oak logs this afternoon. Some are pretty nice....
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Mill up some more hard maple slabs for inventory.
Hemlock 2x4 x10 for inventory and 1.5" live edge hemlock for a landscape supply company.
Used the frost notch bands in both it cut great.
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Looks good. Now here is wishing for your inventory to disappear. 8)
Video Jan 08, 9 09 31 AM - YouTube (https://youtu.be/12j6si6NSIs)
Holy Moly!
What did that register on the Richter scale?
Funny , we have had 4 strong quakes here today not including the log.We run an average of 4-5 rumblers a day above 2. something....
That's a log :D
WOW!!
I have cut trees,eastern white pine 4 feet across. When the tree starts to fall I always shut the saw off to hear the noise!!
I see you braced the trailer up too. ;)
Quote from: thecfarm on January 09, 2020, 03:53:08 PM
WOW!!
I have cut trees,eastern white pine 4 feet across. When the tree starts to fall I always shut the saw off to hear the noise!!
I see you braced the trailer up too. ;)
Good eye on the trailer bunks- we have learned from experience......Sorry I didn't do too well on the video upload.
Some ?sugar maple?
Trees been down for a couple years, using it as practice although definitely still had some really good wood inside, and although the end piece I cut off had spalting across the entire cut, spalting throughout the log was limited to a very soft and punky sapwood :(.
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Left myself a nice slab with a lot of ray flecks, really never noticed maple doing this, but I'm wet behind ears here when it comes to milling.
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1st pic looks like a cow/calf pair, or a mare & a foal.
Quote from: DennisK on January 10, 2020, 07:14:45 PM
1st pic looks like a cow/calf pair, or a mare & a foal.
Not following lol, you mean small version and big version of same log? Long on left was a poplar I cut up yesterday, didnt take any pictures because I was grumpy thinking something was wrong with my mill. There kinda was, I was only turning 3200 rpm and the governor wasn't kicking as hard as it should to even maintain that. Oh and I was pretty far out of left/right/front/back alignment. Now at 3725-3750, the mill bogs to 3600 and honestly takes way more pushing that I think it should to get it under 3500, even on 5 to 6 inch undercuts.
From where that chip is to the bottom of pic, that looks like a good live edge foyer table.
@doc henderson (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=41041) calls that Kansas Maple, :D the rest of us call it white oak. Nice job there!
The lumber grader needs to go to the barbershop.
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Some interesting black streaks in these slabs.
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Quote from: Southside on January 10, 2020, 08:26:52 PM
@doc henderson (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=41041) calls that Kansas Maple, :D the rest of us call it white oak. Nice job there!
I totally agree but the property owner is adamant it was a maple, and he had no white oaks. I cant seem to find a picture pre cut of the log (although most bark was gone, it was flakey / peeling like some maples, but also white oak and white oak alone in the oak family) and had the craziest twist probably 120-180 degrees over the course of 13 feet, which I see much more with maple than oak, but I haven't seen many other species with that ray fleck/medullary ray look than oak again. Here are some pics up close (although I think 1 the pictures suck because the wood had been down so long, and 2, I think were on the same page as it being oak).
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end grain
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edge grain
Wish I had some sodium nitrate to test as apparently it needs sunlight to darken maple but will darken white oak with a quickness.
Wood seems to have what I would call a high silica content as it almost has some shimmer /tiny sand look to it in the right angle in some of the grain.
I again will always side with the centuries of knowledge in FF over my or the landowners opinion;)
I do feel stupid calling it maple now though.
Looks like oak to me.
My money is on white oak, also.
Not just putting money on it but that is simply WO of some sort. No question no debate. The rays are a dead giveaway. The growth rings were impressive, huge summer growth..must have been fairly moist. Sawing into those rays is what givs QSWO the neat tiger stripped pattern that is so popular. The shimmering is due to the pores being filed with deposits.
Not sure where to put this but we are cutting some poplar on a small job, a few butts have significant rainbow poplar color showing. If some FF want to try sawing give me a hollar and we'll save upper logs as a freebie.
A friend/customer is building his house and asked me to saw the siding. After 4 deliveries here's what is on my plate.
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46 nice SYP from 10 to 16 ft and 10" to 24" dia.
Thanks everyone for dealing with my uncertainties, definitely in agreeance on the WO, just thought I'd give all the information I could.
+1 for FF as an incredible resourse.
Nice logs KelLOGg. There is no need to Anchorseal SYP because the sap seals itself. ;)
It was the customer's anchor seal.
I figured so and I have also driven up to end sealed SYP a couple of times. It surely messes up my marking the log's center/target with my lumber crayon. :-X
Quote from: Larry on January 10, 2020, 09:10:37 PM
The lumber grader needs to go to the barbershop.
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Some interesting black streaks in these slabs.
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Larry, Type of wood? It is nice looking..... ???
Its obviously "Dog" wood. :D
Arkansas black walnut. I don't know what caused the black streaks but it sure was unusual and pretty. I tried telling the log owner his wood was contaminated and I needed to dispose of it for him, but he wasn't buying my line. :'(
Pretty wood--I'd keep trying different lines :D
Warm and cloudy today and other than the mud a good day to saw. I was cutting some poplar tops up for firewood last week and found one 7' section that was pretty straight. About 9" diameter so nothing earth shattering but decided not to waste it. I also checked a couple of my stock ash logs. The first one turned to to be getting punky so will become firewood. The next was solid so I decided to saw some 5/8" X 8" X 7' pieces for B&B on my new bus stop projects.
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Poplar top saved from firewood
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A couple of quick cuts Yielded a 1X6 & 2-2X6's.
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Cut off a butt log with a lot of flare for 7' piece. About 13" SED
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Yield = 11 total 5/8" X 8" X 7' Boards for siding, and a couple of 2X6's. Total for both logs about 80 bf.
I went ahead and made a left wall for my bus stop out of the boards, some stock 3/8" X 2" battens and half of one of the poplar 2X6's and some stock poplar 2X4's. Now customers can compare B&B and the live edge lap siding options.
Red oak slabs and more 2x4x10 hemlock for inventory .
The slabs will be sold on Monday
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Filled a small order of white oak for a gentleman building a playhouse for his daughter. She designed it and they are building it together. This is the third small order in the last few weeks. I'm looking forward to the open house!
Yes, I quarter sawed it just for fun.
Frosty Sunday morning here- no sawing today. A load due in tomorrow. Happy Sunday !
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There's a lot of lumber air drying there.
Even if it is freeze-drying. 😨
Rob, the photos of your operation are always interesting - it's like a game of "Where's Waldo?". There's always a four legged buddy in your photos, but not always easy to find.
Hey Buddy, I'm trout fishing just south of you in 6 days. Please turn up the thermostat.... :D
Acres of logs, almost as many dogs.
Just piddlin and cleaning up my lot a little. I see I need to saw my ash as it is about to go south on me. I also have some small maple and an uprooted smiley_devil I was saving for a blacksmith to make hammer handles but he has been a no show so I better cut it into something. I sawed the rest of the ash from yesterday - bucked into 2-8'6" logs and one prime firewood cut left over. I cut it into 5/8" 6 & 8 inch boards for future B&B.
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Forgot to post a picture of the lumber. Yield was 8- 8" & 10 6" boards and 2 -2X6X8's. About 99 bf if you count the thin boards same as 1" which is what I bill when cutting for a customer. Still awful muddy out there but temps are beautiful.
Last weekend I did some quarter sawing red oak for a client.
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It was a good job with plenty of good help. The client got a really nice stack of quarter sawn material out of this log he had quartered up with an Alaskan mill, a big Sthil 088, and a 6' bar with rip chain.
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The client also had some walnut, and maple logs for me to saw as well.
The stack below shows some but not all of the lumber we were able to produce.
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That oak was frozen and hard on blades. I had to call member Cutting Edge and order a new flat pack of Kasco 4°'s when I got home because I went thru nine blades, averaging one blade every hour and twenty minutes of sawing.
Big cedars and oaks this morning at the crack of dawn.
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Tule do you have a slabbing mill again or are you breaking these monsters down on your LT15?
I bought back my Lucas slabber. I wish I'd never sold it......
@tule peak timber (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=25190) Whoever you sold it to was willing to sell it back? That's fortunate.
Brad, He bought my LT-70 wide, sharpening system, handling equipment and a bunch of other stuff. The big Lucas slabber was almost a "gimme" anyway so no skin off his teeth for me to buy it back. I thought I would be long gone out of business by last year but life has a funny way of having it's own way.
Let me put it another way,,,,large numbers of trout in Montana will be even larger because now I have to travel to chase them. :D
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David Shepard lots of ray fleck in those boards!!! 8)
It was a cloudy, dreary day around here but the sun popped out about 2:00 pm so I decided to go saw up a couple of stock ash logs into siding. I cut about 18" off one end where the little log had a knot and then got smaller. I decided on 5/8" live edge siding for most of the log. Before I finished it got real cloudy and I noticed a fine mist on John's seat so I stopped and cleaned the sawdust off and covered Milldred up before she got wet and mad at me.
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Sawed off a bad end to make 7' knotty log.
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Yield 6- 10" LE siding pieces, 5 - 6" wide pieces and 2 - 1X4's for trim or roofing strips on my next bus stop project. Total 57 bf.
Yesterday, my friend from the next town over came over to help me for the first time using "Bob" to move some logs to the mill.
We moved four and then I taught him how to saw out a 8x8 post.
He took a picture of me and Bob dragging a log.
Note to self get a set of wheels for the back end of the log.....
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Bob did good even with the 16' ones.
Jim Rogers
Today, I sawed out another 8x8x12' post, pictures to follow, tomorrow.
hello,bob.
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Cut some nice Pine today. Unseasonably warm here in the Catskill mts. 40 and Sunny.
Milled more red oak slabs and some nice ash boards for inventory
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On the last two pics , I sure hope you collate your sticks into sets, boules, very nice for someones cabinet /furniture job......$$$
I got (16) 4/4 ×12 ×6' boards out of that log that all look like that.
The top 2 picture's are the side boards that we edged.
I have more log like this one.
I hope they are as nice opened up.
"He took a picture of me and Bob dragging a log."
Jim, I see a set of forks for carrying the log.
Quote from: donbj on January 15, 2020, 10:04:04 PM
"He took a picture of me and Bob dragging a log."
Jim, I see a set of forks for carrying the log.
Thanks for your advice.
I'm still discovering new ways to move logs with Bob, but the driveway and mill yard is not wide enough to carry a log like that.
Jim
Still cleaning up. Real windy today which is great to help dry up some of our mud. I continued cleaning up some of my stock ash logs and even cut a small 5' chunk of poplar I saved off a top I was cutting for firewood.
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An 8' ash log on the forks. Cut into 5/8" sheeting (LE & Edged), a 4/4 dog board, a couple of 2X4's. The scrap poplar on the forks gave me 2- 2X6X5 and a 1X6X5.
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14' ash log - I cut 7-2X6 for rafters, 1- 2X8, 1- 2X4 and an 8' 1X8. I started to buck to a shorter length then remembered when I cut I was thinking rafter material and I do plan on building another shed soon.
I also cut a scrappy 6' chunk into 6X6 for crib blocks. Total for the 4 "logs" 234 bf.
I'm I saw snow on my sawmill!
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Cutting White Oak 1X6 decking and 1/2 X 7 1/4 siding this week .
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Timbers ready for tomorrow morning's pick up.
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Jim Rogers
My first sale! :) My old scoutmaster contacted me asking if I could do a small custom order, 100 bdft, of white oak to make a cannon carriage and I said yes. There is a few defects and wane, but everything should come out when he works it down to size. I counted 103 years on the 16 inch stump.
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welcome and nice job @Dogwood Heart (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=47103) .
FIRST SALE! Feels good doesn't it. The lumber looks good, your old scoutmaster will be proud. I'm an old scoutmaster myself and I love to see my scouts doing well. The best of luck to you.
Last week I dropped a couple of beautiful pine trees that were tall and straight as I needed some 20' 2" x 6"'s for trusses. One was 26" in diameter and 120' tall and the other was 24" in diameter and 110' tall.
I cut 2 - 20' logs out of the trees and 13 - 12' logs. Yesterday I sawed the 2 - 20' logs. The logs maxed out the capacity of my WM LT40 hydraulics, particularly on the log turner.
However, I successfully cut 58 - 2 x 6's, 5 - 2 x 4's, 4 - 1 x 6's, 2 - 2 x 10's, and some 2 x 2's for a total of 1,350 board feet of lumber.
Here is the smallest of the 2 trees.
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Here is the quality of the 2x6's - absolutely beautiful.
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I had to build a 20' pallet to stack them for drying.
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So now on to the 13 - 12' logs.
Quote from: EOTE on January 19, 2020, 05:31:36 PMThe logs maxed out the capacity of my WM LT40 hydraulics, particularly on the log turner.
When this happens, use the two plane clamp to raise the log, tighten the turner, and then drop the clamp. The weight of the log against the turner will turn the log.
Good looking trees and wood but I have never seen that many wedges used to fell a tree. Did you really need them or was that just overkill? I very rarely even use a second one and one usually does the trick. Of course everything I cut is on the side of a mountain.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on January 19, 2020, 07:26:20 PMDid you really need them or was that just overkill?
Don't look too close at the picture to see where the hinge was set... :o
But really nice looking wood!
Quote from: ljohnsaw on January 19, 2020, 07:32:10 PMDon't look too close at the picture to see where the hinge was set...
I will admit my face cut was a bit shallow but my hinge was a little over 2" thick. The tree was actually backweighted slightly which at 110' in height made tipping it a bit of a challenge using just wedges. The tree did drop exactly where I aimed.
My normal practice is to make my face cut, then a plunge cut behind the hinge, working toward the back of the cut. This tree was larger than my blade so I had to make a plunge cut from both sides. I usually set a wedge behind the hinge and then cut the back strap. If the tree doesn't fall after cutting the back strap, I put in a wedge at the back. I normally use an ax to drive in the wedges. However, on this backweighted tree I had to use my 6 lb. splitting mall and several wedges. I would say 95% of my trees drop within 6" to a foot of where I aim them. What I call an "oh shoot" tree is one that drops 1 to 3 feet away from my aiming point. So far, I have not had a tree drop outside of that range in all my felling (just lucky I guess).
EOTE,
That is some nice looking lumber from that log. I like your pallet and stacking too. Like WV I was also intrigued by the number of wedges on your stump. ???
Quote from: DPatton on January 19, 2020, 07:46:02 PMThat is some nice looking lumber from that log. I like your pallet and stacking too.
All my lumber is currently air dryed. I came up with the pallets early on because of the amount of lumber I needed to dry (ultimately about 50K bd. ft.) and the limited space I have in my drying house... I can stack pallet on pallet with this setup to about 10 feet in height. My drying house is 20' x 40'.
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Quote from: EOTE on January 19, 2020, 07:45:26 PMQuote from: ljohnsaw on Today at 04:32:10 PM Don't look too close at the picture to see where the hinge was set... /endquote
I will admit my face cut was a bit shallow but my hinge was a little over 2" thick. The tree was actually backweighted slightly which at 110' in height made tipping it a bit of a challenge using just wedges. The tree did drop exactly where I aimed.
I didn't mean any disrespect. And I'm
far from an expert. And I wasn't there to assess the situation. But, when the hinge is that shallow, it takes a lot more to lift the tree to get it to tip, in my limited experience. In a situation like you describe, I tend to cut much further (30-40%) in to move the hinge closer to the tree's center of gravity. If it has too much back lean, I go with how it wants to go. If that is not an option, then I cheat and use my SkyTrak to persuade it. :-\
Quote from: ljohnsaw on January 20, 2020, 12:15:47 AMI didn't mean any disrespect. And I'm far from an expert. And I wasn't there to assess the situation. But, when the hinge is that shallow, it takes a lot more to lift the tree to get it to tip, in my limited experience. In a situation like you describe, I tend to cut much further (30-40%) in to move the hinge closer to the tree's center of gravity.
ljohnsaw, none taken...we all have developed methodologies that work for us. I usually use a deeper cut as well and I switched my drop zone at the last minute because it was much easier to clear and clean up. Quite honestly, these two trees were the tallest and largest diameter pines I have taken in my experience. The second tree which I didn't photograph, fell with my initial 2 wedges after I cut the back strap. We can always learn something from other people's perspectives and improve our end game. Thanks.
January thaw last week had me itching to saw a little. Walked past this turd 100's of times in the woods, gave it a good kick the other day and it seemed solid, curiosity got the best of me. She was ugly and very very heavy. Was hoping it was an old walnut but now im not sure what it is. Solid through and through. Thinking maybe oak, but the colors got me scratching my head. Any ideas?
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To me it looks like a pretty table top... species be darned..
Looks like walnut to me! Real pretty!
I was trying to saw out another 8x8x12 white pine timber.
But the throttle spring decided it had enough:
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Lucky for me I had several spares in the parts box.
Not fun to do bare handed when it's 20° F out and almost dark.
The engine was still warm which did help some.
Jim Rogers
Well at least it wasn't cold out. :D :D ;D :D ;D
You know what your weather COULD be right now. It's tough when it's that cool and your dexterity is waning. At least you didn't have to do a valve job.
My very first portable sawing job since my knee replacement surgery. This was for a many times repeat customer, and this time Cypress.
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I counted ~15 logs that had been bucked and two unbucked tree length logs.
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The first trailer load of mostly twelve foot 1X12's.
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The second trailer load which also included twelve 2X4's. I failed to get a picture of the third trailer load.
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Some of the stickered lumber. I should finish this job tomorrow with a ~30" White Oak. I have not tallied any of the lumber yet but it was a good day. I dulled two blades.
The sawing felt good and I got no complaints from the new knee. ;D
I am glad your knee did not give you any trouble. Good looking cypress. That is probably my favorite wood to saw. If it would only go through the dust chute without clogging it would be perfect.
Yes, I had my chute to totally clog up today with the clingy sawdust and stringy bark.
Congrats on getting back into the groove and the new knee holding up so well.
Congratulations Lynn! Glad you are back in the saddle, back in the seat rather, again!
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Quote from: DPatton on January 19, 2020, 07:46:02 PMThat is some nice looking lumber from that log. I like your pallet and stacking too.
All my lumber is currently air dryed. I came up with the pallets early on because of the amount of lumber I needed to dry (ultimately about 50K bd. ft.) and the limited space I have in my drying house... I can stack pallet on pallet with this setup to about 10 feet in height. My drying house is 20' x 40'.
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That's a nice air drying shed full of lumber EOTE. Wish I had built mine bigger. Did you do your cut and fit your own timber framing? You have good protection from the sun and weather along with open sides for air movement.
MM,
That's a heck of a stack of lumber for only 2 blades. I just don't know how you do it. I've sawn 6 hours before on 2 blades but the logs were barkless and prestine for cleanliness. They also were not frozen. My last custom job I went thru 9 blades in 12 hours of sawing. Most of the sawing was in frozen red oak. Half with bark on, half with out bark and clean. Didn't matter wether using Kasco 4°s or Woodmizer Turbo 7°s they just wouldn't last.
I'm willing to bet MM's were not frozen!
Quote from: DPatton on January 20, 2020, 10:51:13 PMThat's a nice air drying shed full of lumber EOTE. Wish I had built mine bigger. Did you do your cut and fit your own timber framing? You have good protection from the sun and weather along with open sides for air movement.
DPatton, my drying house and sawmill house were designed to be a "quick build" using 8" x 8" timbers for the post and beams. No fancy millwork, I just used structural screws to hold it together and plywood gusset plates. The beams are simple half lap. The trusses are simple "A" trusses with a 2" x 6" ridge beam and shiplap roof with standard R-9 metal panels over the top. I also built the concrete embeds for the columns.
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I honestly couldn't get all the lumber in the drying house at one time so as the lumber dried, I pulled it out and sized, graded, palletized and banded it for more compact storage.
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The pallets are sized for what my tractor can lift (~2K).
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Mr Lynn,
I'm glad your back making saw dust again 8)
Doug, Cypress is probably the easiest on blades of any species that I saw. The customer was skidding the logs to the sawmill so there was some dirt that I had to clean off, saw through, or dodge.
I only sawed 6 hours, so the blade life was nothing spectacular but it was a nice productivity rate. ;D
Quote from: Magicman on January 20, 2020, 09:13:15 PM
My very first portable sawing job since my knee replacement surgery. .........
.........The sawing felt good and I got no complaints from the new knee. ;D
See, that didn't take very long, did it? Good on ya MM!
Quote from: Magicman on January 21, 2020, 07:17:23 AM
Doug, Cypress is probably the easiest on blades of any species that I saw. The customer was skidding the logs to the sawmill so there was some dirt that I had to clean off, saw through, or dodge.
I only sawed 6 hours, so the blade life was nothing spectacular but it was a nice productivity rate. ;D
Magicman, what blades do you use on your WM ?
No sawing for me today
-13° this morning
Tomorrow it's going to warm up and the rest of the week
Quote from: Bruno of NH on January 21, 2020, 10:22:52 AM
No sawing for me today
-13° this morning
Tomorrow it's going to warm up and the rest of the week
And I am complaining when the day time temperatures are in the 40's. :D ;D
Having grown up in Montana, I do know what cold is...I've just come to hate it.
That's why I live in Texas. :)
@EOTE (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=44084), I really like your drying house. What are your plans for it when you've used up all the dried wood in it ?
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Started at 8° today at 7 am Did some stuff when it got to 14° I fired up the WM
Had an order of 6"x6"x3' a 100 or so. all R OAK.
All the side lumber turned into grade stakes 4' and 6'
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Have 300 2x2x5' fence post to get out too.
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And to make it all fun the CAT trans is making steel filing in the hidro oil.
So bad it has to go back to cat for a new trans. What do you think that will cost? :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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All in all a good day at A&P Saw Mill. Can't wait till spring to run the hot rod.
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Will pass anything but a gaspump. :D :D ;D ;)
I finished my first of the year sawing job this afternoon with a surprise when I calculated the bf.
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The customer skidding the last Cypress logs to the sawmill.
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My Tailgunners. Two very hard working students. Notice the thumbs up!
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A twelve foot 12"x22" cant ready for the saw through and I was reminded that I also needed to give the thumbs up. The customer counted 120 growth rings on that Cypress. 26° this morning which froze the moist sawdust inside of the sawdust chute and promptly clogged it. :-X
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All of the Cypress stickered.
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All of the Red Oak stickered. All of the lumber will soon be trailered to the customer's home ~75 miles away.
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And then he skidded this White Oak log up to be sawed. The heart was solid and made some amazing 1¼"X 12"'s.
OK, the surprise on the bf count? 2020.76bf sawed on my first job in year 2020. :)
Are you serious about the .76 too?
Quote from: EOTE on January 21, 2020, 08:40:25 AMMagicman, what blades do you use on your WM ?
Wood-Mizer Turbo 7°.
Yup Southside, there was a .76 but I don't do decimals nor cents when calculating bf and invoices. ::)
Peter,
Sorry to hear about the trans on the Cat
That might hurt the wallet
I wasn't so much thinking about the billing, but the age coincidence there too.
Wow, that one blew over my head !! :o That is so much coincidence that "no more sawing for me this week". no_no
Actually I should be much better by morning because PatD had Eggs, Grits, Bacon, Toast, and Jelly fixed for me when I got home. food3 That woman knows that she loves her man! smiley_love
Quote from: Dakota on January 21, 2020, 10:48:06 AM
@EOTE (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=44084), I really like your drying house. What are your plans for it when you've used up all the dried wood in it ?
My long term plans for the drying house is to close off the south end (roughly 10' x 20') to use as storage for all my hardwoods - for projects etc... The North end will continue to be a drying house and I may store a couple of my trailers in it when it is empty.
Quote from: Bruno of NH on January 21, 2020, 08:24:45 PM
Peter,
Sorry to hear about the trans on the Cat
That might hurt the wallet
I know It will not help will all the Kilns going in. I'm using John to move things around. He can't pick up what the cat can.
Sucks.
Magicman you should buy a lottery ticket. :D :D
Quote from: EOTE on January 21, 2020, 10:18:39 PMI may store a couple of my trailers in it when it is empty.
Empty? Good luck with that ;D.
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Quote from: EOTE on January 21, 2020, 10:18:39 PMI may store a couple of my trailers in it when it is empty.
Empty? Good luck with that ;D.
An empty shed is a pretty rare thing. Don't think I've ever seen such a thing. :D
Not milling per say but I was sawing! Tree service guy called me and said he didn't know what to do with this one but didn't want to take it to the landfill! Got several good sized burls off it 8)
661 w/ 36" bar for size
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Nice!
At first thought that first pic was a Kansas forest from 20000 ft. :new_year:
they tend to be in a line, since they follow the creeks or along the roads as windbreaks. :)
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Quote from: WDH on January 22, 2020, 07:26:09 AM
Quote from: EOTE on January 21, 2020, 10:18:39 PMI may store a couple of my trailers in it when it is empty.
Empty? Good luck with that ;D.
An empty shed is a pretty rare thing. Don't think I've ever seen such a thing. :D
I have a shed that I built with the help of my son and I've never seen it empty. It had stuff in it before the roof was on.
Empty shed?? Hhhmm, I thought they were never big enough. ;D ;D
Quote from: trimguy on January 22, 2020, 09:59:43 PM
Empty shed?? Hhhmm, I thought they were never big enough. ;D ;D
That was kind of a dumb answer I gave, come to think of it. I guess I'll start planning an "equipment" shed for my implements and trailers. :)
That makes more sense :D.
Coastal live oak today, complete with nails.....
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Some ash logs.
Will be sawing these beauties next week. Customer dropped them off yesterday. Not sure of his cut list yet but should be some pretty lumber. 75 rings
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Some ash logs.
Few more pics.
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cut a few ERC logs for a COO at the local clinic. he wants to make cheese boards, so live edge and 1.5 inches thick. he liked my crane that I lifted the logs from the back of His truck and put one on the mill.
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his wife's plan is to make 20 or so for next thanksgiving. we got 8 nice live edge 1.5" thick pieces 8 feet long.
did not photo the wood, but nicely framed heartwood, sapwood and bark.
I very seldom pre-survey sawing jobs but this one was close:
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Seven 8' Red Oak logs, three of which are in the 36"+ category. Those biguns will take 3-4 hours each to saw. :-X
I have to replace my LubeMizer pump tomorrow afternoon so depending upon the weather (rain) it may be Wednesday before I can move the sawmill to them.
My shoulder MRI is Thursday, more rain Friday, G Grandson's Birthday Party Saturday, back to the Dr. Monday, then more rain, so this will be a hit and miss job. I am trying to get it sawed before any shoulder surgery. ::)
need to schedule testing and doctor appointments when it is raining! ;) :)
Yeah, 'cause the doctors can't play golf then anyway. :D
I heard a morbark chipper running at the neighbors' yard around the corner, so I wandered over to take a look. Local tree service had a crane and log truck to take down a white pine. The bottom two 25 feet sections were mine for the asking - they were kind enough to drop it off in the front yard. My wife was understanding enough not to mind. (She thought the maple log off to the side was a 'big' log.) :laugh:
The base is flared at about 35" with a big hollow that extends 6 feet or more. Diameter is bigger than my sawmill can take so I will need to quarter it anyway. The middle section is 24 inches on the big end and 22 in on the small. Should be more than enough to make posts and beams for a sawmill shed. Good thing the sawmill is portable. My support equipment consists of a cant hook and manual crank winch post.
I haven't cut much pine (other than to make stickers). The left over pieces should make plenty of stickers for next season. Now.... where to stack the lumber...
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Was planning on sawing today but the spot previously picked to set up the mill did not work out so We decided on an alternate spot and I set up there. Now all the logs have to be moved and the help wasn't going to be available today due to personal issues. I'll start tomorrow. The lumber will be used for refurbing a sheep barn and some other projects at the neighbors farm. I'll be doing the projects as well as the milling. Lots more projects on my work list for the man. Here is a pic of the chicken house I completed for Philip. I didn't mill the lumber for this one.
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Sawed two more yesterday evening.
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Went home this weekend and picked up some white pine and a maple burl. Only got the small, 25" DBH, white pine and I have to go back Feb. 8th for the two larger trees.
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I had a customer call last week and wanted me to resaw some hickory for him. Seems he had cut it into approximately 2-3 inch planks with a chainsaw and wanted it cut into boards he could use for window sills and such in a cabin he is building. I told him I'd do what I could with it. He called yesterday and we scheduled today for the work. He got here with several real rough looking ash, a 6-7 inch poplar about 6' long that was split down the middle like a half sawed fence post and a 9" hickory "log" about 42" long with a big check down the center. We agreed on 1" lumber as the goal and he was going to plane it to 3/4" later. I put them on the mill and cut 1,2 and 3 boards out of one piece then cut the "log" into 5-6 short ugly boards.
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Here are the planks I cut before milling. I did not get an "after" picture as the customer took them back to the truck as soon as I'd cut one. I also did not get a picture of the hickory log or boards off it.
The customer was very happy with the results and offered to pay for a full hour sawing but I told him half hour was more than fine so he paid that and a $10 tip. I assume sawing this particular wood was mostly nostalgia as I could certainly have sold him much better looking boards out of my stock for the same or better price. He could not remember where he got my contact info and thought it was either a big hardwood mill over 25 miles away (I don't know anybody there I can think of) or from a conversation with a guy at a local gas/convenience store. At least it is good people know I am available. I suspect I'll see this guy again.
started my first portable sawmill job today milled 1/2 a pile of white pine. Dump truck showed up with three spruce logs before I finished the day. I think the pile may keep getting bigger before get back to mill the rest of the logs in a month from now. Sawmilling is a part-time hobby.(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/54965/IMG_20200128_185709_653~0.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1580256431)(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/54965/IMG_20200128_185709_655~0.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1580256432)
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Yikes Brooks, dat looks cold. Welcome to the Forestry Forum, and thanks for the pictures. thumbs-up
Quote from: Magicman on January 27, 2020, 07:41:03 PMI have to replace my LubeMizer pump tomorrow
I got the LubeMizer pump replaced, but found a leak in the ¼" barb fitting that feeds the tube to the spray nozzles. I have one in one of the boxes on the truck, but I will try the hardware store first.
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I got to cut some wood this weekend, nothing exotic just some SYP but I am getting my stock up and enjoyed myself. 8) 8)
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Finally got some time to cut again today, been making mill runs with poplar and white oak trying to get some quick cash now vs waiting for stuff to air dry and make my extra 30-40 cents for cutting.
This was for a guy who hired me to run his retail wood store, for about a week and we just didnt jive, so I gave him his key back, and bough my lucas.
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About an hour of cutting and 90 bf of basically 95 percent clear lumber with the 2 top boards having the only sapwood in it. This log was only 18 inches on the small end with 2 inches of sapwood on each side. I only expected to make roughly 50 bf here referencing the doyle scale for heartwood diameter (~14" 8 foot log). Definitely too much time spent trying to meet his expectations of little to no sapwood given some of the boards I've seen in his store. Going to finish off the tree with another 6 foot log into 9/4 and a 12 and 8 footer for more 5/4.
Going to try to quartersaw some of this for the top half the log, doing 6 inch vertical cuts with 1 inch horizontals instead or mimicking bandmill layer by layer flat sawn technique.
Ended up with 1/4 inch "slab" I cant bring myself to throw away.
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Quote from: Magicman on January 28, 2020, 08:08:27 PM
Yikes Brooks, dat looks cold. Welcome to the Forestry Forum, and thanks for the pictures. thumbs-up
Quote from: Magicman on January 27, 2020, 07:41:03 PMI have to replace my LubeMizer pump tomorrow
I got the LubeMizer pump replaced, but found a leak in the ¼" barb fitting that feeds the tube to the spray nozzles. I have one in one of the boxes on the truck, but I will try the hardware store first.
Magicman it was a nice day to mill for us in January it started out at -5°c and got up to -1°c in the afternoon.
Did a little sawing over at Philip's farm yesterday. Rickie had moved all the logs to the new sawing site. Mixed bag of RO, ERC, and SYP. Mostly pine. After the first pine noticed hyd fluid leaking out of the hyd box. Opened it up and found a bad hose. Had to go to the parts store in town to get another made up. Managed to saw the rest of the day afte two hours lost until the rain caught me at 4 pm. About the same time my auto clutch quit disengaging. Have to sort that one out this morning as soon as the rain lets up.
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Didn't get a tally at the end of the day or more picks.
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Sawed mostly 2x6 from all of the species, and some 6x6 RO beams with a little bit of 4/4 RO and ERC.
Cut some Red Oak for a customer yesterday . The 2 logs were 6 feet long oval shaped 36 - 44 inches . Split them in half with chainsaw then could put on the mill .
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Lee, you remove your hitch when sawing or is that for theft control?
Quote from: Brooks1984 on January 28, 2020, 07:26:03 PM
started my first portable sawmill job today milled 1/2 a pile of white pine.
Brooks,
I love the "1/2 a pile" description. Is that like a half a mess of fish or half a mess of turnip greens where I grew up down south? :D I think in USMC supply and logistics we'd have define a pile as a "Non-definitive unit of measure." :D :D
Welcome to the portable milling club. Keep them chips a'flyin and the pictures coming.
1/2 a pile is defined as a part of a whack, which is the Forestry Form Definition of a large amount of anything.
Looks like I will be sawing a small amount of nothing with this water squishing up between my toes!!! :-X
Quote from: Magicman on January 29, 2020, 07:47:21 AM
Lee, you remove your hitch when sawing or is that for theft control?
I haven't ever removed it before now and I have to say I should have done it before. I have no idea how many times I banged my shins on while sawing. Not removed for theft. It's safe where it's at.
I use the fenders to build a slight "corral" around the hitch which also solves the problem of where to store them while sawing. Inside of that corral is where I keep my bottle of ATF, etc. No shin bumping my way but your new way is also fool proof. smiley_thumbsup
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Quote from: Magicman on January 27, 2020, 07:41:03 PMI have to replace my LubeMizer pump tomorrow
I got the LubeMizer pump replaced, but found a leak in the ¼" barb fitting that feeds the tube to the spray nozzles. I have one in one of the boxes on the truck, but I will try the hardware store first.
I called it a "barb" fitting but the proper name is probably something else. Anyway, I found my spare but decided to make a trip to my Industrial Supply and see what they had.
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I have decided to keep my spare shown on top and use the new one that required an additional coupling. The longer unit will make the installation a bit more "finger friendly". It will probably be Friday before I will get everything back together but no matter because it is too wet to move the sawmill anyway. ::)
The farm up the road dropped off 16 red oak logs.
They are making a special framed floored unit to hoist 3,300 lb oxen up to work on their feet and to put shoes on them.
8x8x14,6x6x10,4x10,4x8 and many 2x6x14.
He goes to 33 pulls a year.
One team pulled 14,000 last year.
Sorry no pictures
All sawn with a 747 broke the band on the last log.
Customers are funny sometimes. A repeat customer called and asked to get on my schedule. This customer ran a circle mill with his father for close to 40 years. He prefers to look at each log and tell me what he wants out of it once the log is loaded on the mill. The first time I sawed for him, I was pretty nervous but in the end he was very pleased.
Today I cut poplar, red oak and white oak "boards", 1x6, 2x4, 2x6 and 2x8s for him. I've learned that he means random width 4/4 lumber when he says "boards." If he says make 1x6 that's what he wants.
The last time I sawed for him, I cut over 5 mbdft of pine, cedar, poplar and white oak but today when I pulled in his drive, I saw he had built a deer stand out of slabs. It struck me as funny that he didn't use any lumber I had previously sawed for him to build the stand. He used framing he and his father cut 20 years ago and put slabs on the outside.
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Quote from: Brooks1984 on January 28, 2020, 07:26:03 PM
started my first portable sawmill job today milled 1/2 a pile of white pine.
Brooks,
I love the "1/2 a pile" description. Is that like a half a mess of fish or half a mess of turnip greens where I grew up down south? :D I think in USMC supply and logistics we'd have define a pile as a "Non-definitive unit of measure." :D :D
Welcome to the portable milling club. Keep them chips a'flyin and the pictures coming.
WV sawmiller The costumers I'm milling for are 62 year old twins who own two excavators and a bulldozer. They do a lot of land clearing for farms so they have potential access to lots of logs so I don't know if the pile well ever end. I tried to sell them my old woodmizer lt15 but they decided they rather pay me to mill instead.😞
Quote from: SawyerTed on January 29, 2020, 04:48:01 PMI've learned that he means random width 4/4 lumber when he says "boards." If he says make 1x6 that's what he wants.
I also have a customer that expects me to remember what he wants when he says..... He can't get it through his head that I have other customers that might say something completely different. "Boards, flat lumber, & 2by's" really doesn't define anything but the customer knows what he wants.
Good point and another reason you need to discuss and sometimes show each customer what you are planning on cutting before getting started. Once you both understand the expectations you can commence sawing. I still get an occasional mid-cycle change when I do something like cutting a half inch trim cut when cutting 1" or 2" boards and the customer sees it and decides that is perfect for some special project he is thinking about and wants you to cut a lot more. Or I have been cutting wide red oak for counters and they start with some stock 6/4 but want 8/4 or 9/4 for the main cut but once they really see and pick up the 6/4 cut they change their mind and decide that is perfect as is. I had one guy who wanted 8" square hemlock posts till I showed him and fortunately his wife showed up then too, what a 6X6 looked like and they both confirmed that was perfect.
Today's customer saw that I cut a white oak 2x12x16. I had cut it to make a 2x4 and a 2x8 per his first request. When he saw the 2x12 he and our tailgunners picked it up and put it on the trailer. He said, "I like that but I don't want to handle any more of those!"
What rubs my fur the wrong way is when the customer says cut one thing then changes in the middle of the cut sequence on a log. Most times they don't understand that it is a sequence to arrive at a cant that will produce the maximum number of the initially desired pieces. Sometimes it works out sometimes it creates waste.
And yes, it is important to just ask outright, "what do you mean by "boards"?"
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Today I was sawing a large dia, about 26" Walnut log. Unfortunately I had to sacrifice a 16 foot log that was going to be a post and brace stock to cut out the clearest 9' section. What makes me sick is that this log was totally clear AND wicked curly as I found after cutting it. Hewing the side that will show, and no one will ever see the curl. I did get 6 pieces out of it though with 2 jacket boards and very little waste.
Hewing more walnut Jan 2020 (https://youtu.be/2785Whyg3fE)
The auto clutch repair was an easy one. Just needed to clean off the proximity switches. The engage switch was stuck. Forgot to bring my phone so I didn't take any pictures today. Didn't get started until nearly noon because or yucky weather. This big boy is first up in the morning.
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I need to get 5 - 6x6's out of it but don't think it's going to happen. Small end is 22". May have to settle for 4 and a smaller cant from the center. There is another log not quite as big that I can get a couple out of. I have plenty of projects for them that need side lumber so no waste.
Why is there not an unlike button brad? Beautiful curl there, I would have found him a new log lol.
They are for my horse barn. My GC has been on my butt to get them done and I didn't know it was curly until I'd already cut this 9footer out of the 16 footer. Not using this one would mean I'd have to ruin (cut) one of my other big walnut logs, which I didn't want to do, and I also knew that I'd probably have to cut two of them to get the six pieces I needed. I managed to get the six out of this one log. Oh well. I'll just pretend I never saw the curl and it was just an average non-figured log smiley_whacko
Not sure what you mean by "not an unlike button"?
Quote from: Magicman on January 29, 2020, 01:06:53 PM
Quote from: Magicman on January 28, 2020, 08:08:27 PM
Quote from: Magicman on January 27, 2020, 07:41:03 PMI have to replace my LubeMizer pump tomorrow
I got the LubeMizer pump replaced, but found a leak in the ¼" barb fitting that feeds the tube to the spray nozzles. I have one in one of the boxes on the truck, but I will try the hardware store first.
I called it a "barb" fitting but the proper name is probably something else. Anyway, I found my spare but decided to make a trip to my Industrial Supply and see what they had.
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I have decided to keep my spare shown on top and use the new one that required an additional coupling. The longer unit will make the installation a bit more "finger friendly". It will probably be Friday before I will get everything back together but no matter because it is too wet to move the sawmill anyway. ::)
Those are push-to-connect fittings.
Quote from: Brad_bb on January 29, 2020, 09:06:45 PM
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Today I was sawing a large dia, about 26" Walnut log. Unfortunately I had to sacrifice a 16 foot log that was going to be a post and brace stock to cut out the clearest 9' section. What makes me sick is that this log was totally clear AND wicked curly as I found after cutting it. Hewing the side that will show, and no one will ever see the curl. I did get 6 pieces out of it though with 2 jacket boards and very little waste.
Hewing more walnut Jan 2020 (https://youtu.be/2785Whyg3fE)
Brad I'd have set aside that one cant and waited til a special project came that required/deserved a curly walnut face. It was a great looking cant.
That was a very expensive post and brace :).
I mean I can like your post, but aside reporting to a moderator, I cant show my dislike ;)
Let's be honest, I considered it due to the fraud waste and abuse of such a pretty log, but alas, it's all in good fun, and you gotta do what you gotta do.
we all know you love and appreciate a great log, and we all know you gotta do what you gotta do. It is all good! :)@Brad_bb
Quote from: Brad_bb on January 30, 2020, 12:46:43 AMThey are for my horse barn. My GC has been on my butt to get them done and I didn't know it was curly until I'd already cut this 9footer out of the 16 footer. Not using this one would mean I'd have to ruin (cut) one of my other big walnut logs, which I didn't want to do, and I also knew that I'd probably have to cut two of them to get the six pieces I needed. I managed to get the six out of this one log.
Oh man you are killing me Brad_bb...walnut logs for a barn? I darn near choked when I read that you are using them for a barn. I would bring you all the SYP pine logs you want to swap for those walnut logs! I used to live in Illinois and had some of those types of walnut logs years ago. The sawyer I took them to said they were the prettiest walnut logs he had cut in 25 years. I've always loved black walnut for woodworking. It's hard to come up with black walnut logs in this part of Texas.
Quote from: WDH on January 30, 2020, 07:23:02 AM
That was a very expensive post and brace :).
Not when I'm only buying the log. It would be if I bought the post and brace stock from someone else finished.
More than an oak or Ash brace, yes. But I have maybe $1.55/BF landed Plus my time in the log. I can't find Walnut logs at my price easily, but I've found enough over time for my needs, quite a bit actually. Some yard logs, some not. These were part of the big walnut haul I found a couple years ago. Farm owner had bulldozed them down for more field and logger he lined up never came through to take them. Had been down 4-6 months and I spent 3 days bucking and prepping to haul with skid steer. Then hired two expensive log trucks to move them. He was happy to get them gone, with very little left to pile to burn except the stumps and some very small branches, and get paid.
my buddy who is a trauma surgeon with the composting toilet that takes my saw dust, attended a cabin building dovetail joint class and is actually building a walnut log cabin. southeastern Ks., and he has more walnut than anything else. some hickory. off grid of course.
Ok doc, now that is going too far! ;D That would be something to see. They would have to be hewn or sawn logs I think to get the sapwood off. The heartwood would be very rot resistant. It would grey on the outside, and be indistinguishable from poplar or anything else, but you'd see the dark wood on the inside. It would be difficult for me to get that many logs, of the quality needed, to do a stacked log structure. It wouldn't be easy to procure via loggers I think either. They sell those quality logs for veneer which drives the price up that way. When they do, they're used to cutting them the lengths needed for the veneer guy. You'd need to keep them as long as possible, like I try to do.
Quote from: WDH on January 30, 2020, 07:23:02 AM
That was a very expensive post and brace :).
Wait til you see the timber frame I'm going to build next year and the fun pieces I'll use. smiley_roller
Some old nasty oak, just out the slabber before a paying job tomorrow. Crazy how much dust we've made in about 10 hours of sawing learning the ropes.
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There was actually a pretty good depression to act as a log stop before the mill, now its downhill onto the bunks haha. Over 14 inches deep of dust and chips in some spots... I love it
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Milled some cedar this evening. Made some boards for steps for a deer stand my dad and I are building and one 5x5 for my extension on the sawmill shed.
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Brought home some nice Cherry. Can't wait to open them up.
@Kwill (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=32883) I really like that building you have around your mill. The lights are a very nice touch!
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I really like the "stands" . are those traditional timber frame saw horse hook setups? or your own idea? are they at the ideal height for the process you apply to finish the beam, and if so what height.
These are called cribbing ponies. I got the design from Steve Chapelle's book, a timber framers workshop. They are 17 1/2 inches tall. Not ideal for scoring the 4 inch timber you see in the photo. They were designed to lay an 8 inch cribbing timber, and then 8 inch Timbers on top of those. That's 33 1/2 inches, which is a good height for cutting joinery. Doing a six or 8 inch timber on these ponies is better. I'm just too lazy to put blocks underneath the 4 inch timber.
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Quote from: Magicman on January 28, 2020, 08:08:27 PM
Quote from: Magicman on January 27, 2020, 07:41:03 PMI have to replace my LubeMizer pump tomorrow
I got the LubeMizer pump replaced, but found a leak in the ¼" barb fitting that feeds the tube to the spray nozzles. I have one in one of the boxes on the truck, but I will try the hardware store first.
I called it a "barb" fitting but the proper name is probably something else. Anyway, I found my spare but decided to make a trip to my Industrial Supply and see what they had.
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I have decided to keep my spare shown on top and use the new one that required an additional coupling. The longer unit will make the installation a bit more "finger friendly". It will probably be Friday before I will get everything back together but no matter because it is too wet to move the sawmill anyway. ::)
The lube pump is installed and the longer "push on" connector for the ¼" line to the nozzles worked as I predicted.
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It gave me much more finger room in the tight spot behind the pump motor.
I called the "Red Oak" customer and due to the sloppy ground, we will postpone his sawing until after his upcoming "oilfield" hitch. Of course if I have to have shoulder surgery it will be postponed anyway. :-\
Quote from: DWyatt on January 31, 2020, 07:19:18 AM
@Kwill (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=32883) I really like that building you have around your mill. The lights are a very nice touch!
Thank you.
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I cut this nice cedar this evening . Gonna mill it out in the morning. The tree made a 12ft, a 10ft and a 8ft logs and one 8ft post. Gonna make 2x6's out of the 12ft for the extension on my sawmill shed.
My first paying job was today, 3 27-30 inch white oaks (10 footers) that have been down since October wind storm. We had agreed upon 1 log in slabs, and the rest in dimensional jazz. Waited on rain to clear up, got there at 12, set up and ready to mill by 1 (after bucking a root ball with my 395 he couldn't get through, breaking my log tongs trying to get it out of a 45+ degree ditch). He then said he wanted to slab it all, great I don't have my electric sharpener. Had the bright idea to slab 2 of these logs at the same time, you know, becuae my lucas is bad (admin edit).
Started it up, and the motor was kinda missing on and off. Probing around resulted in my non functioning hourmeter/tach shocking the mess out of me no less than 3 times, cut that wire real quick lol.
On my third cut (slabs 5 and 6) chain was starting to dull. Swapped for a new one, and coming out of cut 4 (slab 7 and 8), the chain came off at the sprocket end, fell to the ground, with a hell of a bent section, oh boy.
Got to looking at it, and after an hour of adjusting and a phone call with bailey, the consensus was an over tightened chain and a motor/carriage that wasn't fully slid and locked to the right. Hand sharpened between slabs. Gave it 7 passes with the file the first time, and 10 the second, and honestly not sure this was enough, knocked down the rakers a bit. Ended with I 12 actual valuable slabs, and 3 that were just trim cutting to get down into the meat, or the leftovers after we ran all the way down on the winches, and flipped the larger leftover 3rd ontop of the other one.
I feel like the day was a complete failure as it cost me a chain (hoping to get it fixed) and I looked (or at least felt like I looked) like an idiot for an hour messing with my machine. Cut for probably 3 hours with an hour of setup/teardown/log moving and an hour break messing with the mill, and probably half an hour of sharpening all said and done.
We agreed on 3.5 hours, but when I went to swipe his card he told me just to run it for 4.5, which I guess means hes happy? Got to go back for 1 log, and he pointed at another he wants to take care of as well, so again i guess hes happy, I just hate when things dont go as planned, and nothing did today. Learning experience to say the least.
Things learned today.
Dont brag about anything being awesome, 3 times today I said how cool I thought something was, only to have it break no less than 5 minutes later.
Dont leave spare stuff at home becuae you think you wont need it, the second you do, you will need it.
Dont expect mother nature to cooperate, she won't.
Slabbing 2 big oak logs at once is dumb...period....
Dont tell a customer how long a job should take.
No matter how bad your day is going, your Logrite cant hooks will always impress you, and never let you down (they're probably going to break tomorrow now).
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Sawin SYP with Nathan...he said he loves this sticky stuff! :D
Quote from: Jcald327 on January 31, 2020, 10:26:15 PM
No matter how bad your day is going, your Logrite cant hooks will always impress you, and never let you down (they're probably going to break tomorrow now).
I will bet that you are wrong about that. 🙂 Banjo
Well, any local groundhogs here would have seen their shadow so I guess we'll have another 6 weeks of winter. I figured I might as well piddle on my new shed project by squaring up a pole or two so I took little John up in the pasture and picked up a locust butt log that uprooted last Fall. I killed a chain a couple days ago cutting it free from the clay root. When I got to the gate and tried to lift it over John balked like Blackjack, my mule, and lowered his head to the right and lifted his back left wheel pretty respectable so I set the log down and went and got my chainsaw. I sawed 5-6 ft off a fork to 12' which took 100-150 lbs off the load. It was reasonably straight. I got it through the gate and to the mill then started shaving off the thick muddy bark. I finally got decent white wood showing on 3 sides. I split it and got two poles 4.5" thick and pretty much from 6-8 inches wide which will work for 2 on the back or top high corner where it is real rocky and I doubt I get a 2' post hole.
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12' locust about 12-13 inches thick.
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Can you spell stress? Opened up 2-3 inches on each end but will pull into line when I start framing it up.
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I had plenty of supervision from Sampson.
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These are the 2 -12 poles I end up with. They have some banana in them but are good and solid and straight on one side anyway.
I pulled a 16' stock log over and put it on the mill. I saved after I knocked it down when I cut a large ash up near my shooting house above my pasture. I cut the butt into 2-16' poles, and got several 7' fence posts and some firewood. I square it up into about a 6"X 8" X 16' pole and it will likely be the base of my shed - i.e. the first corner I put up and use to square (Did I really use that word?) the others off of.
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Bigger and more curves. I was sometimes uncertain whether I was sawing or just de-barking it. Locust grows some thick bark over time.
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Several patches of wane still left but plenty strong for what I am planning. I love the green peanut smell from sawing fresh green locust.
Quote from: Lawg Dawg on February 01, 2020, 06:13:29 PM
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Sawin SYP with Nathan...he said he loves this sticky stuff! :D
I like it so much it ended up in my truck bed 8)
Quote from: Jcald327 on January 31, 2020, 10:26:15 PM
I feel like the day was a complete failure as it cost me a chain (hoping to get it fixed) and I looked (or at least felt like I looked) like an idiot for an hour messing with my machine. Cut for probably 3 hours with an hour of setup/teardown/log moving and an hour break messing with the mill, and probably half an hour of sharpening all said and done.
We agreed on 3.5 hours, but when I went to swipe his card he told me just to run it for 4.5, which I guess means hes happy? Got to go back for 1 log, and he pointed at another he wants to take care of as well, so again i guess hes happy, I just hate when things dont go as planned, and nothing did today. Learning experience to say the least.
Things learned today.
Dont brag about anything being awesome, 3 times today I said how cool I thought something was, only to have it break no less than 5 minutes later.
Dont leave spare stuff at home becuae you think you wont need it, the second you do, you will need it.
Dont expect mother nature to cooperate, she won't.
Slabbing 2 big oak logs at once is dumb...period....
Dont tell a customer how long a job should take.
No matter how bad your day is going, your Logrite cant hooks will always impress you, and never let you down (they're probably going to break tomorrow now).
While for you it semed like a hard day, in the end the customer was happy. I'm sure he recognized your effort and that it mattered to you that he was satisfied. When we are professional and care about our work, we are often our own worst critics.
There's a list a country mile long of stuff I've learned from portable milling jobs! #1 is Murphy will follow me around unmercifully enforcing his law and any corollaries I can imagine!
Reflecting on what when wrong is best balanced with a reflection on what went right.
I spent yesterday wrestling a large oak log off a tree that was struck by lightning a couple of years ago , much too big to handle but put it on mill anyhow just because it was one of our favorite trees and hope to make a few boards that we can use on our cabin . Its going to be a bear to turn but I can just get blade high enough to start but it will be next weekend before i will be able to .
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Looks like there is a whole lot of fun to be had!
Milled some spruce 2x6,4x6x16,4/4 ash boards and some 8/4 live edge ash today
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A big ol' white oak cant (29" after trimming to fit on my WM wide head). Thanks Logrite for such a high quality heavy duty peavy!
More ash boards today
Some 10" wide they have been a good seller as of late.
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I can see why it's selling looks kinda pretty to me.
Very nice. I never get that kind of dark wood in my ash, it's all white and kind of boring. Very nice stuff.
nice ash boards. I'll have to saw some. Most of the ash trees around here are dead from the ash borer.
I had a guy order a couple of pine benches last week. We had a pine log that had been lying around for some time. I hit it with an ax and it still felt solid. Not wanting to change the blade from the cypress I had just sawn, I used the 1.25", .045 7°turbo. It did not cut the hard knots in the pine any better than when we previously used these blades on the heart pine. Regardless, some nice, blue slabs were the result. I planed them flat before sticker stacking (I hate wavy wood).
I sawed some cypress that a friend of mine used to make a picnic table that will be donated to the local Cattlemen's Association. They are going to use their brands to adorn it. The wood was sawn Sunday and the table was done today. It is still wet and heavy.
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Red oak & white oak & pine.....it's gonna sit there until tomorrow because the roads are wet with no sign of let up with the rain today.
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Some of the oak is really too good for what they are gonna use it for....shipping....but they take it all so I am satisfied. Banjo
I understand that "too good" for what it will be used for.
Back in the summer I had 800 board feet of quarter sawn WO 4/4x6x8'. A customer was looking for fence boards. I had 1,500 board feet of 4/4x6x8' of utility grade white oak for half the price of the quarter sawn.
The customer per chased the quarter sawn boards at the premium price. It was too good for fence boards but got used that way. I got what I wanted for the lumber, so I was satisfied.
I put a hackberry on the mill this eve. wanted to get lumber to start making some pallets for air drying that can then go into a solar kiln, I hope to build this spring. 20" on big end, 16" DSE and 16.5 feet long. quite a bit of stress in the log. 29° so maybe a little frozen and a branch on the end that tended to drift my blade. I will plane all members in the dimension needed to be flat and consistent for the pallets.
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Bruno, those ash boards are beautiful!
Hackberry is one of those spiral grain woods that can "crawl" as you saw it :).
I have 4 more ash logs
24" to 28" on the small end better than what's in the pictures.
I don't know what to saw them into yet.
I'm going to build a kiln this spring.
I would like to do more hardwood.
White pine keeps me going.
I also like sawing spruce milled some nice 16' stuff for a truss I'm making for the mill shed.
1400 bd ft of pine yesterday, posts and beams for a garage to family room makeover and starting another pile of pine 1x8x12' for horse barn paneling
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Not sawing today,waiting on customers and storm clean up
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you have a beautiful place Bruno. I plan to come to one of your events when I can.
Finally finished up the job that started a week ago. Today went much smoother (only 1 casualty on the last slab, threw the chain and bent about 30 links, oh booooy) . Figuring I need to use more wedges, especially at end of slab to prevent the freshly cut slab from pinch the back of the chain as it exits.
Switched back to the swing blade and let her eat. Probably netted close to 400bf an hour cutting dimensionally (with stops to discuss each layer as customer wasn't 100 percent sure how many of each size he wanted).
Heres the pic he sent me tonight. The slabs from last week were already starting to check, so hes going to leave this thinner stickers in for a month or 2 while alternating airflow with box fans so try to keep initial drying a little slower.
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A basement is a poor place to dry wood.
Quote from: WDH on February 09, 2020, 07:21:19 AM
A basement is a poor place to dry wood.
I had a large live edge slab with a crotch split for a river table top for a buddy of mine. I flattened them for him. He took and put them in his basement temporarily until he had time to make the top. I tried warning him against that. He thought it wasn't damp at all down there.
Well a couple months later he had a blocked artery (heart attack) and had a stent put in. He recovered pretty quickly, but it was now 10 months later he called me and said the slab halves had cupped and warped. So I had him bring them back over. I checked the moisture was 12-14%. The other two slabs from the same log I had dried at the same time were in my shop and were still 6-8%. So much for his basement not being damp.
Our ground was covered by an inch of snow last night that was melting quickly. I went out and dug one more post hole and set my second pole on my new shed. At this rate my oldest gd will be voting before I get it finished. ::) It had warmed up so much I was working in a T shirt and still warm. I need to get some framing up soon to keep everything plumb and more secure.
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Tall one shows about 14' and short side is about 10' to top.
I decided to square up some more locust poles I have in stock.
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I put this 16' long about 12" locust on the mill and squared to 6X6.
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Finished 6X6X16 pole.
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2 more - 1 on mill and one waiting. These are more challenging due to sweep and smaller diameter on one on the mill. It became a 5X6X15 and the one on the ground made a 6X6X15. Both had some wane and rounded edges left.
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You can build up bf/operating hour pretty quick making poles. :D I see my total bf to date is 99,093. Closing on my 100K. One good morning would put me over the mark. I will eat that up pretty quick when I start cutting some more framing.
Quote from: doc henderson on February 05, 2020, 07:15:32 PM
I put a hackberry on the mill this eve. wanted to get lumber to start making some pallets for air drying that can then go into a solar kiln, I hope to build this spring. 20" on big end, 16" DSE and 16.5 feet long. quite a bit of stress in the log. 29° so maybe a little frozen and a branch on the end that tended to drift my blade. I will plane all members in the dimension needed to be flat and consistent for the pallets.
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Doc Try a little more set, less hook, sharp blade and make sure you have 1/4" down pressure. Did you shim up above the movable guide so it cant lift up. Steve
Quote from: Brad_bb on February 09, 2020, 11:15:53 AM
Quote from: WDH on February 09, 2020, 07:21:19 AM
A basement is a poor place to dry wood.
I had a large live edge slab with a crotch split for a river table top for a buddy of mine. I flattened them for him. He took and put them in his basement temporarily until he had time to make the top. I tried warning him against that. He thought it wasn't damp at all down there.
Well a couple months later he had a blocked artery (heart attack) and had a stent put in. He recovered pretty quickly, but it was now 10 months later he called me and said the slab halves had cupped and warped. So I had him bring them back over. I checked the moisture was 12-14%. The other two slabs from the same log I had dried at the same time were in my shop and were still 6-8%. So much for his basement not being damp.
So I feel like basement results can vary quiet a bit. Old basements are notoriously dark, dingy, and damp. Modern builder do a lot to try to mitigate basement moisture problems. Not saying they fully accomplish this or not.
Cupped and warped slabs should not be a result of moisture should they? But a function of either built up stresses in the grain structure or uneven drying correct? I'm not trying to step on toes or start an arguement, but a conditioned space, is a conditioned space, as long as it has airflow. We set rainfall records last year (primarily in feb/march) and everything is pointing to that again (with rain forecasted 5 of 7 days here lately). Would a 70 degrees and 65 percent humidity (what the emc chart says 12.5 percent moisture content would be) basement not be better than 60-90 percent most days, and even on non rainy days when the temps drop to high 30 low 40s at night the humidity again climbs to near 90 percent.
Hes supposed to be putting some box fans (3 of them) between the 2 stacks, and flipping the direction every week or 2 to try to promote even drying throughout. He was also asking about doing a small dehumidifier setup with some fans and plastic etc. Told him not really my expertise as I use half way solar kiln kinda thing, mostly letting nature take its course.
I am guessing that is Oak in the basement? If so it's drying way too quickly there in the basement. As you said, old ones are damp and dank which causes issues and new ones are dry and warm, which causes the opposite issues. Complicate that with the water that the lumber will release into the home, along with any bugs that came for a ride and you can understand why basements are a poor choice to dry lumber.
It is white oak, and I was VERY adamant about giving it a pest/fungal treatment before he drug it inside, not sure if he did. Also told him to keep stickers thinner, at least for a couple months, but maintain airflow so as not to get mold. I know white oak is one of the trickier species to dry.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on February 09, 2020, 06:07:30 PM
Our ground was covered by an inch of snow last night that was melting quickly. I went out and dug one more post hole and set my second pole on my new shed. At this rate my oldest gd will be voting before I get it finished. ::) It had warmed up so much I was working in a T shirt and still warm. I need to get some framing up soon to keep everything plumb and more secure.
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Tall one shows about 14' and short side is about 10' to top.
I decided to square up some more locust poles I have in stock.
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I put this 16' long about 12" locust on the mill and squared to 6X6.
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Finished 6X6X16 pole.
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2 more - 1 on mill and one waiting. These are more challenging due to sweep and smaller diameter on one on the mill. It became a 5X6X15 and the one on the ground made a 6X6X15. Both had some wane and rounded edges left.
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You can build up bf/operating hour pretty quick making poles. :D I see my total bf to date is 99,093. Closing on my 100K. One good morning would put me over the mark. I will eat that up pretty quick when I start cutting some more framing.
Looks good. You are a hard working man. We have been having cold damp,snow and rain this last week so I have been hold up waiting for some warmer weather.
This weekend cut up log I put on mill last weekend . Did not have any major problems other than shoved one stop down and broke its stop when I tried to roll it on mill , after that I picked(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/44421/big_log_on_mill~0.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1581427330)
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What am I sawin'? Nada, zip, nil ...its been 10 days since my last job. I have a couple of small jobs but they won't take a day combined.
We've had so much rain I think I'm mildewing. The rain and mud is slowing work down in logging and tree work. Lots of people calling and texting for quotes but no bites for the last several days. Had a contact today from a fellow wanting to make some kind of deal. Talking barter, swapping or shares on some pine logs. I don't need pine logs so he wasn't interested in hiring a sawmill outright.
Besides the rain I woke up with what appears to be the flu yesterday. Yes I did have a flu shot. Maybe it will be a milder version.
had a few hours between meetings this afternoon. so i threw up an oak (@southside maple) and made the stair treads for my cousin Mike. he needs 14 but i made 18 so he can pick and choose. also the top slab was thicker and will make a wane included bench.
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inch and 7/8th. thick.
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now a split down the middle
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Quote from: doc henderson on February 11, 2020, 08:36:24 PMhad a few hours between meetings this afternoon. so i threw up an oak
Nice looking ! The last time I threw up, it wasn't oak! :D
Man, maybe I should make some new stairs in the shop? But I really don't want to throw up either. ;D
Quote from: Old Greenhorn on February 11, 2020, 10:08:30 PMMan, maybe I should make some new stairs in the shop?
You'll need a third story,lol
Swine flu, Corona virus, and now Oak puke.... :D
Sawed some nice frozen hard tap hole maple was like butter with the frost notched bands.
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Gorgeous maple Bruno! As a sugar maker I love it.
No one here has ever seen one so Tapped Maple boards would probably bring a premium here in the non-glaciated South. ;D
I have a bunch of "tapped" maple. Tapped by the ambrosia beetle :D.
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If I ever make it to the sawing project I'm going to bring some tap hole maple logs.
Jake and Mr Danny can wrestle over the boards.
:D
The tap holes are like history in a old 32" to 40" butt log.
I think who was the first farmer to tap this tree.
Kind of cool.
We had a sugar house growing up.Right in the middle of town.
The Bush is all houses now.
They brought me 2 cherry logs to saw for them.
I didn't get pictures.
They were very nice hardly any sap wood at all.
I am trying to knock out a couple of jobs before my shoulder surgery next Friday.
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A couple of ERC Mantels.
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A very good ERC log that became....
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An 8X8 plus eight ¾" side lumber.
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And then on to guess what?
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Yup, Sycamore. And then on to....
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Yup, dreaded metal,and ....
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Yup, more metal. I trashed 3 blades today. One nail, one screw anchor, and this.
No matter, it was a good day sawing. I have one more job that I desperately need to saw for a several times repeat customer that is taking chemo. Hopefully he will be able for us to saw next week.
Good luck with your shoulder. Speedy recovery!
Well, it's what I'm half way through sawing - see old reply #106
It's a big job for a manual mill and being 75 yo. Stack is 6 x 3.5 x 20 and the 2nd one is underway.
Whew!
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Mostly piddled on my new shed build today but did throw 2 more locust poles on the mill and square all or part of 2 sides so I can put a level on it to get it plumb and as a nailing surface. I think I used .2 hours in the process.
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13' locust pole. Trimmed a little off 2 sides
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Started about 16' but after I squared 2 sides I cut 4' off the top end where was too thin due to sweep for my use.
That is very admirable KelLOGg. Nice whack of stacks. :)
Quote from: Magicman on February 14, 2020, 06:37:53 PM
I am trying to knock out a couple of jobs before my shoulder surgery next Friday.(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/20011/IMG_7097.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1581722599)
A couple of ERC Mantels.
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A very good ERC log that became....
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An 8X8 plus eight ¾" side lumber.
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And then on to guess what?
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Yup, Sycamore. And then on to....
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Yup, dreaded metal,and ....
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Yup, more metal. I trashed 3 blades today. One nail, one screw anchor, and this.
No matter, it was a good day sawing. I have one more job that I desperately need to saw for a several times repeat customer that is taking chemo. Hopefully he will be able for us to saw next week.
Wishing you the best on your upcoming surgery and a speedy recovery sir.
Brent
Thank You Brent and richhiway, and also to the others who have offered well wishes. Da ole man is going to be OK.
I'm just hoping to be able to get that last job sawed if the weather (rain) and the customer's physical condition allows.
EDIT: Sadly the weather forecast shows rain through Thursday and not favorable for me to be able to saw that last job.
Started to put some framing on my shed I am building. I had several pine 12' 2X12's I had sawed a couple years ago which will work for my top plate ( I think that is the piece supporting the rafters) but I needed a 12' 2X6 to tie the ends together and all I had in stock was 14' or maybe some 8' ones. I guess normal people would cut one of the 14' ones off but sawyers normally don't claim to be normal. :D I checked and had an ugly 12' ash log (Yellow hammer would not call it that as it had been cut wide at a crotch at the top and not trimmed well and dang sure would not roll). After several rolls and some quick gunbarreling it was ready to saw. Final yield was 6-2X6's and 2-2X4's 12' long. I went ahead and installed one on my shed and left the others there as they will become framing or rafters later this week, weather permitting.
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This picture is deceiving - it is actually much uglier than it looks. :D
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Actually turned out better than expected. A little wane showing on that 2X6 on front. If I were putting it in stock to sell I'd probably have edged it to a 2X4. If sawing a customers logs I'd had showed him and asked if he could use that or wanted it edged. Since for my use and I know it is fit for purpose there it sits. I ran my tally and see I need 750 bf to hit my 100K. Should be one day this week.
That's what I like best about the mill. Amazing how much good lumber you can get from a ugly log. What's the new shed for?
I will store my benches in there and maybe a couple of prefabbed bus stop "kits" that can be assembled quickly if need be. I also hope to set up a better display and access to my fireplace mantels which are very heavy and difficult to show to a customer. Basically I am always short on covered storage space, I got a good deal on some used roofing a couple weeks back so the stars began to align. Of course by the time I get through building I will likely find I don't have enough roofing. I've been collecting locust poles as they became available and can always go cut another one or two as needed. I have not put a lot of time into the design as I can cut the materials as needed. My build is listed over in the General Board if you want to track it there.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on February 16, 2020, 07:46:20 PMActually turned out better than expected. A little wane showing on that 2X6 on front. If I were putting it in stock to sell I'd probably have edged it to a 2X4. If sawing a customers logs I'd had showed him and asked if he could use that or wanted it edged. Since for my use and I know it is fit for purpose there it sits.
Something I've used as a guide when custom sawing full size regarding wane was if a store bought 2x6, 2x4, etc could fit inside the wane it was good to go. Most liked it.
Should have worded it most agreed to it, if they didn't it got cut out or down a size.
My general rule for wane on framing lumber is that the wane covers less than half of that face and there will always be three good corners. (If the customer asks for no wane, then he gets no wane.)
I have purchased "store bought" framing lumber that would not meet that criteria.
Another 60+ 1x8x14 cut and staged for planing, 98 down, 52 to go for this order
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I needed some more framing for my shed project and some long stuff would be very helpful so I decided to max out my mill with a 21' cut. The longest I had cut to date was 20'6" for some headers for my first lumber shed/pole barn. I had one customer who wanted some 20' red oak 2X8's one time. I had one ash log about 28' or so. I bucked off 2 chunks of firewood off the butt then about 5' off the end to get my 21' log. I made sure the log ends were both cut square and when I loaded it to stay between the marks on the mill. I noticed I could remove the rubber bumper on the end for a couple more inches but left that for my ace in the hole. The log had some sweep and was only about 14" SED. I hoped to get a couple of 21' 2X12's but the best I could do was 1-21' 2X10. I did get one board that has 12' 2X12 on one end and 9' of 2X10 on the other I had more stress than I expected although that is pretty common with ash I have sawed. The cant rose up so bad the dog board was nearly an inch off the rails in the middle with thick ends. I did get a couple of 21' 2X6's. I found logs that long slow me down as I have to be so particular to stay within the marks with every flitch edged. It started drizzling rain so I did not get a chance to go ahead and use any of my new framing today. Maybe tomorrow afternoon will work out.
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Full length of the mill. The arms raised it just fine. I had to be careful to raise the head when loading and turning.
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A couple of 2X6's and an ugly 11' 2X4. John won't carry but a couple of these at a time. Did you know - 21' ash 2X6's are heavy!
I milled some 2-3/4 x 10" x 17' green maple back in June and I can tell you those were heavy! I got them up out of the woods by myself, but I was glad the customer brought a helper to load them on his trailer. He was complaining about lifting and swinging then 6 feet onto the trailer, I just laughed. (He HAD to have them right away, but didn't get them on his truck for 3 months).
OGH,
I think most of us have tales like that where somebody had to urgently have some special item and we leap through hoops to provide it then they show up weeks to months later or, worse than that, not at all. I really do try to live up to the Services part of my business name and am bad about doing such. I had a guy (a budding blacksmith) show up one time basically wanting a locust stump to mount his anvil on. I put him on the back of my ATV and rode up in my woods and showed him a 3' locust stump with some old barb wire fence in it where I had deliberately cut it high to avoid the wire. I cut it and he was thrilled with it. He was there to okay the item but if it had been a phone order he probably would not have liked it. I guess we bring it on ourselves by not charging a premium for "expedited services". If they really need it that bad they should be willing to pay more. I think they tend to think we are so desperate for the sale we will go out of our way to fill the order and don't appreciate the true spirit of what we did. A simple thank you for going out of your way to fill my special order would sure go a long way. Okay, no more venting (till the next time :D).
Expedited orders ought to get a 33% added aggravation fee. A gentleman contacted me yesterday wanting 32 white oak 2x8x16 by Friday. I quoted the price figuring an extra helper. After back and forth for two hours, he said it was more than he expected. HELLO?!? Custom cut, rush order of long heavy lumber! I'll make more selling 1x6 fence boards than those 2x8 anyway. What is it about people who think white oak should be cheaper than the big box store's pine sticks?
Ted,
Is 33% enough? :D I guess what we should do is quote a normal delivery price and an expedited delivery price and let the customer decide like Amazon and others do with their shipping rates. If they really need it they can pay the expedited price but maybe next time they will place their order in a more timely manner - likely not. :D :D
No 33% isn't enough! The guy was surprised that I didn't have 2x8x16 white oak already cut. To top it all off he was miffed when I explained I custom cut lumber orders and have almost no inventory.
My answer is, "Call Jake." :).
You think they will reject this tie?
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If they do, I might be able to sell it as a river table for more money! :)
No wane in the rail sections so I think you are good. ;D
river post. with 500 dollars worth of epoxy, you should be good. bet you got some good side lumber as well. never know till you cut her open! :D
I did get a couple of pimple free 20" wide cherry boards. No gum either.
:D :D :D :D :D Holy Cow Larry! There ain't much left of your log there! Doc, I think you left a zero off your epoxy estimate. Is there any call for square water pipe? Nah, this one looks leaky. Well, I hope you got some side wood out of it. That's funny right there, I don't care who you are. :D :D :D
Well, at least the skinks need a place to hide.
Looks like a premium fire place mantle to me..... :)
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Quote from: SawyerTed on February 18, 2020, 07:22:06 PM
To top it all off he was miffed when I explained I custom cut lumber orders and have almost no inventory.
I sometimes but not always explain to the customer the difference between a "lumber yard" and a "sawmill". In my book a "lumber yard" has lumber on hand and you can drive in and pick it up and drive out. A sawmill is where you order what you want and wait till it is sawn up green and then pick it up.
Jim Rogers
Sawmill operator not a lumber yard owner.
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2nd or 3rd cut I found one 20 penny galv. Nail blade was ok, so I continued on and found 3 sets of nails and then the old dive started.
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shut it down and chainsaw the toasted blade out.
It is my first tree fort ladder.
Kind of amazing that the fir tree grew around the wooden rungs.
They were 30" on center. With three 20 penny galv. Nails.
Oh wow, that should make an interesting mantel.
Naturally "Cross Laminated Timber". ;D
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Quote from: SawyerTed on February 18, 2020, 07:22:06 PM
To top it all off he was miffed when I explained I custom cut lumber orders and have almost no inventory.
I sometimes but not always explain to the customer the difference between a "lumber yard" and a "sawmill". In my book a "lumber yard" has lumber on hand and you can drive in and pick it up and drive out. A sawmill is where you order what you want and wait till it is sawn up green and then pick it up.
Jim Rogers
Sawmill operator not a lumber yard owner.
Maybe that's what I did wrong, I do it all, Lumberyard and sawmill. Nice to see you for a min at the fair. Did you sell a lot of tools?
Quote from: Peter Drouin on February 20, 2020, 05:55:24 AM
Quote from: Jim_Rogers on February 19, 2020, 09:27:23 AM
Quote from: SawyerTed on February 18, 2020, 07:22:06 PM
To top it all off he was miffed when I explained I custom cut lumber orders and have almost no inventory.
I sometimes but not always explain to the customer the difference between a "lumber yard" and a "sawmill". In my book a "lumber yard" has lumber on hand and you can drive in and pick it up and drive out. A sawmill is where you order what you want and wait till it is sawn up green and then pick it up.
Jim Rogers
Sawmill operator not a lumber yard owner.
Maybe that's what I did wrong, I do it all, Lumberyard and sawmill. Nice to see you for a min at the fair. Did you sell a lot of tools?
What you're going is not wrong. it's just more than I could handle
I did sell some tools
Jim Rogers
Quote from: Peter Drouin on February 20, 2020, 05:55:24 AM
Quote from: Jim_Rogers on February 19, 2020, 09:27:23 AM
Quote from: SawyerTed on February 18, 2020, 07:22:06 PM
To top it all off he was miffed when I explained I custom cut lumber orders and have almost no inventory.
I sometimes but not always explain to the customer the difference between a "lumber yard" and a "sawmill". In my book a "lumber yard" has lumber on hand and you can drive in and pick it up and drive out. A sawmill is where you order what you want and wait till it is sawn up green and then pick it up.
Jim Rogers
Sawmill operator not a lumber yard owner.
Maybe that's what I did wrong, I do it all, Lumberyard and sawmill. Nice to see you for a min at the fair. Did you sell a lot of tools?
X 2 here Peter. For me inventory is everything and allows me to compete for bigger jobs.
A big 4' diameter oak log slabbed up and a 52" burl I milled for a customer last week.
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WOW that is some big beautiful stuff, what kind of mill. Nice to have Kansas continue to be represented on the forum!
Tru-Cut Hydraulic Feed 70" bandmill. Here is a better picture of the mill cutting that log.(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/45700/IMG_9380.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1582219285)
Nice looking mill and log !
Finished off the cherry.
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While I was napping, one of my log fairy's dropped of a load of ERC which he pinned a note on.... 4 X 4's. Most looked to be 20' long and 3" in diameter. No problem getting 4 X 4's.
Let the fairy saw it, too. Who else could get 4 x 4s from a 3" dia log? say_what
Still piddling on my shed. I sawed/squared 2 sides of one pole and sawed one very crooked 17' ash log into 2X6's. Only got 4 - 2X6s out of it and one end of it was starting to get doty. I need to go ahead and saw all my ash I have on the ground but the shed will pretty much take care of that.
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Locust pole for shed upright. Just squared 2 sides
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17' Ash log - a lot of sweep not showing so generally poor yield
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Only got 4 2X6's for roof rafters and framing. 68 bf total.
I picked up 1460 board feet of white pine today. I'm not sure when I'll get time to mill them up.
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JMoore and I sawed a couple of WDH's favorites this morning...Pecan. These were 14' long and maxed out our mill with width on the live edged pieces. Live edged pecan, 2 3/8" thick and 25+" wide is heavy when it is 14' long. The 7°, 1 1/2" Kasco bands cut them well.
We cut several 12" wide boards at 1 1/4" thick to hopefully ensure most would yield 3/4" finished boards.
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We were on the clock so there was not a lot of time for pictures but I will tell you that this guy got his money's worth on these slabs. The first log we cut I could hardly move with my tractor. I had to put it into 4wd just to get it to the mill. The color of the heartwood and the figure of the crotch wood was worth the price of admission. I suppose I am a moron but I volunteered to help him sticker stack it all tomorrow. Flat stacking off of the mill onto a flatbed trailer is not bad.
I still need to do the YH mod to the drag back but I am liking the LT-50.
I decided I needed a couple of bigger locust poles for my shed so I looked at a couple of locust trees in my spruce patch and found a likely candidate. I cut and bucked it to 14'. I put it on the mill and squared and split it into 2-4.5"X8" poles. I used to worst looking pole and set it in place today and, weather permitting, I will set it in place tomorrow.
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Some sweep but big enough to cut it out and still get 2 good posts.
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This is the better looking pole. I already installed the other one.
The last two weeks weather put me behind. I have half a dozen orders to do. Tried to catch up today but only made a dent in the backlog.
A local high school got a grant to study bluebirds. One part of their project is to compare store bought boxes to homemade nesting boxes. I'm donating materials for the homemade boxes. So I cut 1x6 for the homemade boxes.
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Sawed the framing for a 32'x26' pole barn. In sawing 2x12 headers, I made a little boo boo and rolled the cant of the mill. Had to bring JD to lift it back in place.
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Caveman,
smiley_devil
Ted,
:D :D
Boy am I glad I've never rolled a log or cant off my mill. ::) ::) :D :D
Glad nobody was hurt and looks like you are back in business.
I think it was last Sunday I said something like, "I never make mistakes when nobody is looking." Well I admit I was wrong..... >:( :D
Quote from: SawyerTed on February 22, 2020, 08:46:04 PM
I think it was last Sunday I said something like, "I never make mistakes when nobody is looking." Well I admit I was wrong..... >:( :D
If that is the worst mistake you make all year, you're going to have a great year.
GAB
Finished sawing the siding and got my doors on the south side of my sawmill shed. No more blue tarps and south winds bothering.
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Kwill, That's a nice looking shed. 8)
You gonna gutter the sides, front to back?
I needed some top plates and more rafters on my shed so I went up in the woodline where my last poplar log was staged (I had pulled it there till it got hung and I had cut a couple of shorter logs off already lightening the weight.) It was 21'8" I thought about cutting it in half then decided to go for broke and just saw it 21'. It was about 15" SED and pretty straight. I sawed 3 full length 2X12's, stopped and cut one of them into a 9'+ and a 10'+ to tie my shed together and staged one on top of the framing for an interim top plate on the wide end (it is trapezoid shape 22' on one end and 12' on the other to fit my lot). I went back just before dark to edge the rest and broke my band and quit for the day and will finish edging a couple more flitches tomorrow.
One lesson I have learned is sawing full mill length/21' lumber is very meticulous. Both ends of the log have to be bucked perfectly square and every time you rotate the cant or go to edge a flitch you have to go stop and make sure both ends are between the factory marks (Pieces of black tape) or your blade won't enter or exit the cut. Also I have to raise the head higher when loading the log or rotating the cant or placing flitches for edging. I also have to raise the head higher at the rear to push the flitches on the loading arms to stage them for edging or the flitch will hit my blade guide adjustment arm.
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Full length - the hydraulic loading arms, turner and clamp never even groaned loading and turning it.
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Three very pretty 21' 2X12's. More than John can likely handle so I made 2 trips for them I'll finish edging the rest tomorrow as my light ran out today before I finished.
EDIT: I finished edging my 21' flitches this morning. I got 5 2X6s but 2 taper out to 19 & 17 ft respectively and one nice 21' 2X4. While I had them on the forks I went ahead and put the 2X6's on the roof of the shed where they will be used. 239 bf out of that log.
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Quote from: Magicman on February 23, 2020, 05:14:05 PM
You gonna gutter the sides, front to back?
The back will have gutters
You guys are killing it on the sheds. I will get mine started when the ground thaws out.
Milled up about 300 bd ft of Red Elm yesterday. It was a beautiful February day and all the lumber is going to my sons school for his 8th grade class to build a large picnic table as a gift to the school.
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After taking some time off to let my neck/shoulder/arm straighten out with help of my chiropractor I've started cutting some red oak for planks.
Two weeks ago, I cut one white pine, and had to cut that 6x6 off into two pieces. Just about killed my shoulder with pain starting the chain saw.
Last week I added this to my tool box:
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Today, I gave it a real test, I had to cut off the end of this 15" red oak log so I gave it a try.
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It has plenty of power and only used one bar on the power scale on the battery:
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I think I'm going to like this saw.
Jim Rogers
Quote from: Jim_Rogers on February 24, 2020, 04:39:03 PMIt has plenty of power and only used one bar on the power scale on the battery:
That's pretty good. What's the mah rating on the battery?
Quote from: donbj on February 24, 2020, 07:14:13 PM
Quote from: Jim_Rogers on February 24, 2020, 04:39:03 PMIt has plenty of power and only used one bar on the power scale on the battery:
That's pretty good. What's the mah rating on the battery?
Sorry, but I don't know what "mah" stands for.
Jim Rogers
mili amp hours or the storage capacity of the batt. or amp hours. could take a pic of the data info on the batt.
It probably has a 4ah or 5ah on the side from the size of it. Milwaukee makes some 6ah ones as well, I think.
When you buy this tool, the saw comes without a battery or charger. You have to get them separately. So, you have a choice of what size battery you want. The clerk at the tool crib at Home Depot told me my options. I went for the highest capacity battery I could get.
Here is the label:
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So what does that tell you?
Jim Rogers
You'll use it a lot. Great saw, we use ours all the time around the mill and yard. I had a 12 AH battery for one of my other tools and it works very well in the saw, good stuff.
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Quote from: Jim_Rogers on February 25, 2020, 10:13:04 AMSo what does that tell you?
A couple things. First, that's a lot of battery! My DeWalt's I have are 5's and they now have some 6's. Second, you used up a 1/4 of the capacity on that log (2ah +/-), that's a bit of juice.
From that other thread, you won't be going to the woods with that but around the mill, a great thing to have! Assuming you have a "fast" charger similar to my DeWalt, charging that battery from empty probably takes 45 minutes to an hour. Not too bad for the convenience. My fishing buddy got a DeWalt chainsaw that I got to play with. It works pretty well, too. Since I'm on that platform already, I'll probably get one for myself.
That is just a single battery saw, correct? So a 20v platform. DeWalt also has their 60v platform that uses one special 60v battery that can be used in the 20v platform with triple the ah capacity (a 60v 4ah = 20v 12ah)
Take a look on youtube, there's a bunch of video on the battery chainsaws now. I know the Stihl battery saw is a good one too, they really like it. I've got a bunch of batteries for our Milwaukee tools (4's, 5's, 9's and a 12 AH) so that saw was the natural go to for us. I was very skeptical when we first got it, but it's been a real performer.
It shows 18V on the battery. Will 20V batteries work on a saw like that?
Quote from: Jim_Rogers on February 25, 2020, 10:13:04 AM
When you buy this tool, the saw comes without a battery or charger. You have to get them separately. So, you have a choice of what size battery you want. The clerk at the tool crib at Home Depot told me my options. I went for the highest capacity battery I could get.
Here is the label:
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So what does that tell you?
Jim Rogers
Thanks for the info. That's a good battery and the saw will be handy around the mill. Good idea to have a spare bat so when it dies out when you need it you won't have to stop and wait on the charger.
so to round this out, your 8 amp hour battery will last longer than a 4 amp hour. remember that volts x amps = watts. so on the batt. you have a 8 amp/hour battery at 18 volts so 8 x 18 = 144 watt hr. so in theory something that pulls 8 amps or 144 watts, at 18 volts should last 1 hour. dewalt makes a conversion so the 20 volt batts can fit the old 18 volt tools. I like the old batteries and they are still available but being phased out. they are cheaper online such as amazon. I have the old 18 v dewalt, but I got my wife stuff for in the house and it is a 20 v kit. I think each brand would have to be checked for the application. it is not amps per hour, but amp hour =Ah. 1 amp = 1,000 mili amps so you batt is also 8,000 mili amp hours.
Quote from: doc henderson on February 25, 2020, 02:31:03 PMdewalt makes a conversion so the 20 volt batts can fit the old 18 volt tools
If you look at the fine print, the 20v batteries are 20v unloaded, 18 nominal. It is the same battery as the 18v, just packaged different (IMO better). The 20v is just a marketing gimmick to get you to upgrade. A lot of the DeWalt 20v tools are coming out as brushless (not sure how that works on a DC motor) which should make them last longer and they seem to use less power to do the same job or better. But, I digress...
Now, back to the original topic!
they had come out with an 18V "compact lithium ion" battery, but instead of running down they would suddenly stop. they did not seem to last as long, and mine are all shot now. I will make the full switch someday. :)
Quote from: doc henderson on February 25, 2020, 03:06:28 PM
they had come out with an 18V "compact lithium ion" battery, but instead of running down they would suddenly stop. they did not seem to last as long, and mine are all shot now. I will make the full switch someday. :)
Lithium batteries do NOT like to run 100% flat, quickest way to kill them. So any decent system will kill the power electronically at 10% remaining, and say "it's flat". So you have normal power, until suddenly you don't.
Same as when there is a natural disaster, Tesla can give drivers ~10% more range via a software switch. They suggest you try your best not to use it as it's hard on the battery, but it beats being stuck on the side of the road with a hurricane bearing down on you, when another 10 miles would have got you to the fast charger.
QuoteA lot of the DeWalt 20v tools are coming out as brushless (not sure how that works on a DC motor)
Electronic magic. A regular DC motor has magnets in the case, and current runs through the windings of the armature, switched by the brushes as the motor rotates.
A brushless motor spins the magnets by electronically switching the power to stationary coils. Because the current is controlled electronically it's easier to build in speed control, soft start, electric braking etc. And there are no brushes to wear out. This sort motor has been used in computer hard disks for years, and they can sit there running 24/7 @ 10,000 rpm, for years, and it's usually the bearings that eventually give out.
Quote from: Ianab on February 25, 2020, 07:07:46 PMElectronic magic.
Ahhhh,, very clever. Makes perfect sense. Also, one less wear item. But they claim longer battery life. Not sure how that works. I think its just a "selling point".
If you can control the current pulses and their timing more precisely then the motor should be more efficient, and hence the battery lasts slightly longer.
Quote from: jeepcj779 on February 25, 2020, 12:35:41 PM
It shows 18V on the battery. Will 20V batteries work on a saw like that?
The Milwaukee platform is all 12V or 18V, so without some sort of aftermarket adapter no. I have 2AH - 18V on my drill and driver, they are nice and light and last quite a while, 5 AH on the 1/2" impact and leaf blower and they go a long time. The impact will remove and reinstall a skidder tire with charge left in the battery, 18 lug nuts @ 1.5"
That sounds like a pretty stout driver. I only have 19.2 and 20V Craftsman power tools, and Black+Decker 20V yard tools (trimmer, blower, hedge trimmer). I can't say what the AH ratings are. They are not the best out there, but they serve my purposes pretty well. Then again, I don't have a skidder to take care of and don't do much hard work with them.
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Pin oak trailer decking at 2", and many 14" and wider to fill this order...yes back hurting...no bad weather so tent didn't need to happen which was a huge relief.
LT 10 traveled well and only lost one bolt which was keeping the raising lowering arm locked in place, thank goodness WM has that double bolted on both sides...would have been rough without it.
Well this is the end of the 3rd week on this sawing project. I wasn't planing to do this for a couple more months, but we need 2x8's sooner than I expected. I'm milling Ash 2x8's (actually 1-15/16 x 8-11/16 as sawn) for T&G for our mini-barns that we are building. They aren't so mini actually- 60x38 each. The walls inside will use the T&G for the walls 8-10ft high, and for the partitions and front wall of the 5 stalls in the back of each mini barn. I need about 7,000 linear feet of 2x8's. I don't think I'll have enough logs for all of it, but I think at least half, and maybe more. This is the pile I bucked and sorted at the end of last summer. There were about 33% more logs than this when I started 3 weeks ago.
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The first 3 weeks were very hard. Rain, and thawed muddy ground, have hampered the effort along with frozen skid steer tracks for 2 days. At least one of those weeks I couldn't mill with the weather and tracks, and the others were spotty. It snowed 4 of those days but that didn't bother me. I learned a lot about milling outside. It rained, then snowed, and sawdust was freezing in the mill and I had to keep it clear. I had to fill my lube jug each morning with warm water and it would be fine all day, but I occasionally had the metal tube by the band freeze up. So you have to keep it flushed and not let it sit too long without running water to keep it free of ice. I am also milling alone on my LT15go. I have to manually stack all the heavy boards, and carry the slabs and scrap to a pile. I only have 1000 lineal feet so far. The ground froze last night which is probably the last time it will this winter and I used that to fetch most of the logs out in the yard and bunk them along the gravel drive so I won't have to mess around in the mud in the coming weeks. Here is a lot of mud I've dealt with in the tracked skid steer. Mud most of the time, only 2 days when it was froze.
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First pile of slabs banded up.
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Chanigng weather. I try to spread my dust over the mud to reduce sticking to tracks. Works so so.
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Nice Crotch figure.
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Milling outside lessons learned: Make a chute to keep most dust on the ground and not blowing
In your face! Use goggles like these anti-fogging catseye goggles from FastCap to keep Dust out of your eyes. they work. They don't fog for the most part.
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The home made chute from Lowes- duct work and duct tape. I used the two bolts from the
deflector sheild to hold the duct.
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Some of these logs have been there awhile and have been growing some shrooms. Most of the wood is just fine though.
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Not wanting to go back into the mud the last few days, I started loading logs from the wrong side of the mill. You can see the cant hook and two bunks used like uprights to hopefully stop the log from rolling off. I'm planning to turn the mill around next week before I start again. I think I'm just going to lift it with the skid steer and turn it around that way.
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Yesterday's view. Front to rear: 8-9ft boards, slab pile, 6-7ft boards, 4-5ft boards, 2 bundles of slabs.
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I think I'm going to be here for at least 6 more weeks. Besides getting boards for T&G plus jacket 5/4 boards, I'm clearing the place of logs and thus cleaning it up. Once I run out of logs to cut T&G from, I've got a bunch of long beam logs, and short live edge brace stock logs, and short/small pallet/utility wood logs.
good God man! you seem to be enjoying yourself. i think i used to work that hard... not sure! :)
Brad,
Why aren't you running windshield washer fluid -20 in you lube tank?
Doesn't hurt the lumber.
Sawed 2 small ash logs. Got 6 10' rafters and a 1X4 nailer strip which immediately went up on my shed project. Bucked an 11' log for the next section and took one thick slab cut and decided too spalted and punky so cut it up for firewood instead then cut a 5' ash cut-off into 90 1X1 stickers. I'll trim them to 2' on my RAS to match my usage and needs.
I need 117 bf to hit my 100K mark but noticed today my set/adjustment screw on the band roller vibrated out today and the bearings are bad on the other with replacement on hand so that looks like tomorrow's schedule. I forgot my camera today BTW so no pix.
Cut 1300 bf of 5/4 choke cherry today about 25 8 ft logs. Tree service left it in 2 piles. First setup a bit too much slope for comfort but got it done. Grade sawn and all the sapwood cut off. Very pleasant customer with 2 buddies. They worked hard and got mornings sawing stacked while I moved to the second pile. Broke my recent rule and ate a donut.
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I have heard of a "one armed wall paper hanger", but not a "one armed sawyer". My "sandbox" customer called this evening and wanted to know when I could get there? move_it
I have a followup visit with the surgeon Monday and depending upon what he says. wheeliechair
@doc henderson (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=41041) , I wouldn't say that. The last three weeks have not been enjoyable, but rather miserable. Hopefully the next 3 will be better. It is hard work, but the payoff is the cost savings. We were quoted $6.80 a linear foot vs. $1.60 a foot if we provided the rough cut lumber. That's a huge difference.
At home we were in a routine of sawing Monday, Wed, Fri. Sometimes I'd mill or catch up on other stuff on the days between. That would let the body rest some between. Here I'm going Mon-Fri. and usually for 8 hrs. I'll be glad when it's done. But then I have to mill a bunch of Osage back home while it's still green, otherwise it will be miserable. I'm on a treadmill for the next 3 months!
@Bruno of NH (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=26349) , I've never used Washer fluid. Don't have any experience with it. I usually mill inside a heated shop. I should have considered that 3 weeks ago, but now the temps are going to be in the mid fifties from now on, so shouldn't need to. Thanks.
@Magicman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=10011) , didn't you just get a surgery on something? Don't you have a long recovery process?
Yup and yup. ::)
MM,
Did you get a replacement or just a clean-out? I have had both. The replacement is working better for me.
One of the local high school science programs got a small grant to do a bluebird study. When I saw the announcement of the grant, I offered the teacher donated materials to help stretch the grant. Here are the students with their boxes. Because of the donated lumber, the grant will be able to purchase web cams to watch activity at some of the boxes.
The lumber was 96 linear feet of 1x6 that came from jacket boards while sawing other orders.
Those smiling faces are the Return on Investment! Yes, I'm still a teacher at heart.
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Sauer Ted ,
I like doing things like that.
Thank you Sir
I cut a couple of cookies this weekend while I was cleaning up a sycamore tree that I cut down last weekend. Any advice on how to dry these the best way ? They are 36" to 38".(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/57881/EAF93941-F40C-4B0F-B525-5FD13EA5300B.jpeg?easyrotate_cache=1583102324)
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Good job with the donated wood !!
@doc henderson (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=41041) has a method he uses with denatured alcohol. I've had a little success burying anchor sealed cookies in fresh sawdust in a cardboard box. I've not looked at those cookies in 4 or 5 months.
My daughter and I have used a hole saw to cut the middle/pith out but we've found it takes 4-6" on cookies to limit cracking.
Sad when these beauties only live as a timber for a few turns...decking order almost complete, the 12' are a struggle to move.
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I went out and worked on my mill today. The set screw in the bottom of the band roller had fallen out and I was going to replace the other roller thinking the bearings were bad. I replaced the set screw and checked the other roller and found it seemed okay so I put it back on. I checked and adjusted the tilt on the blade and the adjusted the distance/space between the back of the blade guide roller and the blade. I checked the left to right and had the required 1/16" more on the idler side. I checked the height from the bed rails and found the rail side on the last fixed rail was off about 1/4" or more. The jam nut had vibrated all the way down to the foot. I adjusted it back up and tightened everything. (BTW - I found the missing set screw on this last fixed rail so put it back in the toolbox for next time).The floating rails were both okay. I grabbed a small dirty, ugly ash log and bucked it to 14' and sawed 3 more 2X6 rafters for my shed and staged them on top of the shed for installation. Then I sawed a 9' ash log into 1X4s for nailers and put them on top of the shed too. I ran my tally - still 27 bf short of my magic 100K. I should have sawed a short log into stickers.
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Ugly 14' ash log - made 3 2X6 for rafters.
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9' ash log for 1X4 roof nailers. Badly spalted and about ready for firewood.
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1X4s for my shed roof.
@SawyerTed (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=38503) nice job for the students. some will never forget this project. @trimguy (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=47881) enjoy them while you can. that large will be almost impossible to dry without a crack. dry slow. might lay one on cardboard then another layer of cardboard, then another cookie ect. make the center of the cookie and the surface fairly close in moisture content. maybe turn them every day or two to release some surface moisture. that size is harder to soak in alcohol. you could roll some linseed oil on each side. the math on shrinkage at that diameter means you have a great excuse if they crack. if it cracks in one line. you can cut on across and joint the edges and re-glue. the annular rings should line up and look good. people love to prove docs wrong, and I hope you do!
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you can leave them stacked up. these are 12 inch walnut cookies after soaking in denatured alcohol.
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here is the box i put them in, and i opened it and altered the staggering about once a day.
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here they are several years later. finished with danish oil for a natural satin look.
Finally got around to begin milling this Church Tree. The local Forester said it was a Deodar Cedar. It smells like cypress. Legend was that a young Church member planted several or these trees around the Church and town. This surviving one in the Church yard died last year. I counted about 85 rings.
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A wood hobbyest friend and carpenter took cookies off the end for table projects. BTW, It is mid Winter in Georgia and the plum trees are in full bloom.
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We got some beautiful grain 2 and 3 inch slabs.
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All the lumber will be used for Church projects such as crosses for members, wooden racing cars for the RA Derby Race and maybe a conference table from two of the book end slabs above.
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Moisture was at fourteen percent. He said the moisture must be down to 8 percent before he will start working with it.
Quote from: Sixacresand on March 01, 2020, 08:58:18 PMThe local Forester said it was a Deodar Cedar.
Looks like it, and the wood looks similar to the one I cut up last year. The wood is quite light, but is supposed to be fairly durable, stable and easy to work with.
The big mill isn't really made for the smaller logs but it is fun to mill 2 at once. Not sure why the picture posted sideways. (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/45700/IMG_1988.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1583249818)
I knew someone would eventually show us the new vertical bandmill :D
Mounting on a study wall is a bit of a challenge! :D Keeping the logs in place prior to clamping presents its own problems. :D
A bit involved - I needed some more 12' long 2X6 rafters for my shed and I had a big ash log (Don't try to say that too fast ::)) across the creek. I had tried to drag it across with John but it was too heavy. Yesterday I used 3 tanks of gas and 4 tanks of oil (Note to self - check that oil cap before starting saw next time) in my Stihl 441 with a 20" bar to split it. Lacking Jake's skill and equipment I ended up with a 1/3 and 2/3 split. I dragged the smaller piece across but had to change directions a couple times to keep from tearing up the yard fence as well as the grass. As luck would have it my wife came out as I made my last pull when my long cable looped over a locust pole dam at our bridge over the creek where I had been piling rocks for years. I managed to pull the log loose and into the creek so after I finished with the log I had to go lift the log back roughly into place. My wife stayed around to "supervise" and "advise" how to do it better. (I think I may write another thread on marital advice for wives. :D) Anyway with the second pull on the larger log I attached a 20K double loop snatch block around a big walnut in the yard so only had to make one pull with my long 1/4" cable.
Today we got a break in the weather so I went out and sawed the big part of the ash log and got 137 bf of 2X6's and 1X4 nailers for my shed. (Note: I only need 27 bf to hit my 100K mark so today was a big day that has been way too log getting here smiley_clapping). I took the first load over to the shed and staged them on the roof. When I finished sawing I parked John with the rest on the forks and went back into shed building mode.
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2/3 of the ash log on the mill. The rest is laying flat in the mud in front of the loading arms.
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About half the log - 5 rafters ready to take to the shed. The whole load would be a bit much for John on our slopes and mud today. This load took me over the 100K milled mark. I need to send in my form to WM. I already have it ready to fill outl
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My locust log back in place at my bridge. I need to stabilize it some more for long term use. I'll drive a stake into the bank on the R side and maybe wire or chain the upper/L end to that bridge I-beam. I need to add more fill and dump some concrete over the rocks to make them more permanent.
Congratulations on handling the log and congratulations on hitting the 100k mark!
Congratulations on hitting the 100K mark!! 8)
Congratulations on hitting your milestone of 100k bf. smiley_clapping
You need to save that piece of lumber and put it somewhere you can look at it every day.
Its here in my new shed I'm building. Its that rafter right over the front ladder. :D
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Hopefully it will be there a long time.
Congratulations on the 100K. I was going to say WV will most likely put that board up in his shed where he will see it whenever he uses the shed. Since it is already going up in the shed, how about burn-engraving the relevant info on the 100K board? Name, date, equipment, and "100K".
With my luck while wood burning into the board I will set the dang thing on fire and burn the whole structure down. I may try it though. :D
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on March 03, 2020, 08:11:08 PM
With my luck while wood burning into the board I will set the dang thing on fire and burn the whole structure down. I may try it though. :D
Use paint - it will be less dangerous
GAB
You haven't seen me with a paint brush have you? :D
Maybe better to try before you out it up.
Too late. Its already nailed to the top plate.
Congratulations on hitting the 100K mark AND hitting the pole that holds the bridge in place. :D
@Southside (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=24297) ,
Have you been talking to my wife? :D The bridge was never in danger. Many years ago when we first moved here I dragged locust poles across corners as dams and over the years have piled rocks and sawdust and dirt in them, mostly rocks as that is the most plentiful fill I have, and in several places have significantly increased usable property. Most of the fill I have added is still in place here by the bridge so it was never that much damage. ::)
Was Beaver Smurf a brother to Papa Smurf? :D
Quote from: jeepcj779 on March 03, 2020, 07:56:11 PM
Congratulations on the 100K. I was going to say WV will most likely put that board up in his shed where he will see it whenever he uses the shed. Since it is already going up in the shed, how about burn-engraving the relevant info on the 100K board? Name, date, equipment, and "100K".
Bring a piece of it to Georgia we can sign it for you. Congratulations
Its a 12' long green ash 2X6 - pretty heavy - and already nailed to the top plate of my shed under construction.
If you bring that whole shed down to Georgia to Jake's to get a board signed, I will be very impressed.
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I know a lot of people on here talk about stress in ash. II don't encounter it very often even though I cut a lot of ash. Out of a few dozen logs this was the first one that showed any signs of stress.
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I know a lot of people on here talk about stress in ash. I don't encounter it very often even though I cut a lot of ash I don't encounter it very often even though I cut a lot of ash. Out of a few dozen logs this was the first one that showed any signs of stress.
You cut a lot more than I do but ash is a pretty large percentage of what I do saw. I haven't noticed much stress either. Now eastern cottonwood on the other hand....
Alan
Quote from: Brad_bb on March 04, 2020, 02:01:56 PM
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I know a lot of people on here talk about stress in ash. I don't encounter it very often even though I cut a lot of ash I don't encounter it very often even though I cut a lot of ash. Out of a few dozen logs this was the first one that showed any signs of stress.
Cut my first ash last weekend and I was expecting it to go crazy based on what I've read. I ended up sawing it just like @Magicman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=10011) does with his SYP, squared a cant, split it into 3 pieces, turned 90 and sawed through. I only lost one board to stress and if I would have turned it once, I could have probably saved it.
Contrary to the advice from my FF friends but true to what you all knew that I was going to do, I made the 230 mile trip this afternoon to begin sawing in the "sand box" tomorrow morning.
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This tree length random species log whack is about normal for what I always find here. Haphazard and sprinkled with a nice dose of sand. No matter, we will dig them out, buck to 11' and saw timbers. More logs are in another location on site and will be brought here as needed. I haven't seen all of the logs so I have no idea how long I will be here this time.
Brad,
I have also had some good results from the ash I have cut but stress like you show in your pix is not that uncommon. Good luck with it.
Lynn,
I hope you have good help and remember to use them. Bite your tongue and step back and let the helpers buck those logs and move those heavy logs even when every fiber of your being is shouting for you to step in and do it faster and better yourself. Stay safe and don't undo a lot of medical work your doctors just performed on you. Keep us posted.
I already talked with my tailgunner this evening. Same guy as always and he fully understands that all log bucking and handling is his job.
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Ronny and I have traveled many "sand box" miles together. ;D
Quote from: Magicman on March 04, 2020, 07:12:19 PM
Contrary to the advice from my FF friends but true to what you all knew that I was going to do, I made the 230 mile trip this afternoon to begin sawing in the "sand box" tomorrow morning.
Just because we all give dat thoughtful and well meaning advice, don't necessarily mean we follow it ourselves. :D
A little bow won't hurt anything, It's all going to be T&G and will be screwed down.
Magic Man, seems like you're really risking it. I'm not sure how you're even setting up one handed?
Never underestimate the Magic in da Man. ::) 8)
What I'm fixing to be sawing😀
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agreed to saw a bodark stump. turns out it was 1/4 roots. dulled 4 bands despite using some of MMs magic methods of cleaning.
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big inclusions with dirt and stuff to dull a blade.
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this is the guy Mervin, who makes the turkey and deer calls and his son.
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he wanted it inch and an eighth. got about 150 board feet of that and a slab 3,5 inches thick as I just could not stand to dull another blade.
he needed more, since a buddy who also makes calls won a major national award using some of Mervins Osage Orange (Hedge) so now wants another 100 blanks!
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about 1,000 contestants. Mervin got 12th in his catagory.
The before pic of the mill is part of why I think it is good to pull her out once a year and fix and service, clean and lube everything, grade my area so it drains well. ect. feels brand new.
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Where is all of the mud? I wouldn't dare pull my mill out of the barn now!!! :-X
Mervin is a great guy! He was telling me about that hedge root ball! Looks like you got it busted up
Doc,
Good looking Osage there. I hope your friend wins top honors in the next turkey calling contest. (I always heard at at turkey calling contest the wild turkey would come in last every time. :D)
Being mobile I end up moving my mill several times a year. Every time I do I stop by the faucet in front lot and give the mill a complete bath and while the mill is moved I remove the sawdust pile and clean up the slab pile and get my sawing area ready for the next time. Every time I do a service on the mill I move it to the front lot and wash it good before starting the service. I've heard the WM service techs talking about doing service and the customer bringing it full of sawdust and such. They said the customer ends up paying the same rate to have his mill washed as to have it serviced which makes sense as the WM guru is billing by the hour just like we would if sawing. I.e. Before you take your mill to the shop give it a good cleaning to save yourself some money.
You know I like Osage @doc henderson (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=41041) , but that stump needed 4 hours of hot pressure washing first. I've cleaned stumps before and it can take a whole day to clean out the roots, trim them back and pressure wash it all really good.
he said he did that, but we had to bibby quite a bit. it was getting dark and we made 2 passes. he is paying for the blades. finished it up and he is happy. I used one 7 degree double hard and it was great on the first pass, then the same as the old re-sharpened blades.
We made good progress in the sand box today.
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Ronnie gave the MS362 a good workout bucking logs.
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And extracting the logs with the telehandler.
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26 eleven footers. You see sand? I don't see any sand. :-X
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Bringing the first 4 to the sawmill. This picture also shows many completed and occupied units in the background.
We sawed 15 logs but I forgot to take a picture when we quit.
I found out that I can uncoil and coil a blade one handed and if I have a good tailgunner, I can saw one handed. ;D
Quote from: Magicman on March 05, 2020, 09:17:08 PM
We made good progress in the sand box today.
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Ronnie gave the MS362 a good workout bucking logs.
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And extracting the logs with the telehandler.
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26 eleven footers. You see sand? I don't see any sand. :-X
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Bringing the first 4 to the sawmill. This picture also shows many completed and occupied units in the background.
We sawed 15 logs but I forgot to take a picture when we quit.
I found out that I can uncoil and coil a blade one handed and if I have a good tailgunner, I can saw one handed. ;D
Magicman, even though those logs look plenty sandy, they look a lot better than many of the ones you've pictured from the sand box!
Yes, they were all good and producing mostly 8X8's. We will get into some logs today that I have not seen yet, so don't give up on ugly. ::)
Kwill, you get the nicest cedar.
So MM, you took on this job single handily with a helper. ;D
Quote from: Hilltop366 on March 06, 2020, 08:17:10 AM
So MM, you took on this job single handily with a helper. ;D
That's the thing. Most of us more seasoned in life can out work the young un's with one hand tied behind...er, in front of our backs. ;D ;D :D
Quote from: Magicman on March 05, 2020, 09:17:08 PM
I found out that I can uncoil and coil a blade one handed and if I have a good tailgunner, I can saw one handed. ;D
smiley_clapping
I'd like to see a Utube of that ... or maybe on AGT.
Quote from: WDH on March 06, 2020, 07:57:45 AM
Kwill, you get the nicest cedar.
Thank ya.
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making some 4x4 and 1/2 siding
I have been milling white pine short logs 7' ,6' and 5' into wide boards 14" to 16" wide and making 250 bdft packs to sell.
Taking the 4" to 12" wide stuff and putting it in 250 bdft packs have 10 packs sold and more to put together.
They are a fast seller.
Saturday I start a hemlock order for a local developer building a barn.
He's supplying the logs 3 ten wheeler loads so far.
8x8 beams and 2x stock for the second level floor.
I'm hoping for a busy spring.
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Looking good Kwill. Looks like that shed and sawmill are doing the trick for you. 8)
Quote from: Hilltop366 on March 06, 2020, 08:17:10 AMSo MM, you took on this job single handily with a helper.
Yes, it's not always what you can do but what you can get done. ;D
I decided first thing this morning to do a bit of needed maintenance on the sawmill. I had noticed that there was a slight buildup of rust on the bolt on top of the side support. Now that won't do so I got a new-fresh-out-of-the-box T7 blade and did a very satisfactory job of polishing that bolt.
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The bad thing was that my tailgunner wanted me to cut him a 1X4, and I was doing him a favor. This job is timbers only, no lumber. Now in my sorta defense, the early morning sun was on the loader side and the side support side was completely shaded, at least it was until I lit it up with sparks!! :o
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The "skidder" bringing more logs.
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And another. This Red Oak should make a couple of 12X12's. He is still bringing logs so I have no idea whether I will finish next week.
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The stash is growing. That closest 12X12 will become an 8X8, thanks to that last log shown above. I was not pleased with that amount of wain when we stacked it.
In December while I was off from sawing with my knee replacement surgery, the customer got another sawyer to saw some timbers. I saw them and wondered what they were for? Odd dimensions and not pith centered? smiley_headscratch
I had wondered the first of the week why my customer was so anxious for me to return and when I saw what had been sawn, I knew. I told my customer that my sawmill had one feature that no other sawmill had......Me. I can't repeat what he said, but he agreed. :)
Quote from: Magicman on March 06, 2020, 10:19:29 PMNow that won't do so I got a new-fresh-out-of-the-box T7 blade and did a very satisfactory job of polishing that bolt.
Woodmizer should advertise this feature, I know your not the first to catch on to that!:D
I enjoy your postings.
Two words MM - Carriage bolt, gives you almost 1/2" of additional "oops" room. Of course sometimes that's not enough either. ::)
I needed 3 8x8 cedar posts and a neighbor had 2 logs he brought over. He wanted some 2-1/4 live edge slabs so with 2 logs, I got my posts and wound up with 11 10' slabs. The highlight was a pair of 10' 2-1/4" thick 40" wide bookmatched slabs. This is what you call happy/happy.....
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Those are some terrific ERC boards, and the bookmatched ones are.... :o
Not milling pics but sorta what I've been sawing. I'm refurbing a sheep barn for the neighbor. BAsically replacing everything but the rafters. I tried to get him to tear the whole thing down but he didn't want to. I did mill all the wood being used for the refurb from his logs. Will mill some more next week to have enough to finish. Been working on it for a little over a month now. Slow going doing it all by yourself.
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Polishing - is that a new term for metal strike?
I've taken the set out of one side of the blade hitting that bolt head so many times that I've lost count.
I hit it so good one time that the bolt head now has a flat blade screw driver slot.
I should rotate it 90° so if I do it again I'll be able to use a phillips screw driver also.
MM you and I need to get our eyeballs calibrated to avoid such costly exercises.
Gerald
I knocked the set out of a couple blades by hitting/kissing the guard when I dropped my saw head last year and was getting it back running. Instead of the blade diving like when I'd hit metal before it would climb.
MM - I still see lots of sand, but do I see packed gravel where you're stacking the finished timbers?
I doubt that it is "caliche" but rather it is crushed stone with some sort of cement? It is hard, but it can be broken fairly easily with a hammer, etc. Many folks are using it for drive ways, etc.
The sawmill is set up on it and yes, very nice.
Lee
Nice work on the barn.
Bruno
Lee, I got side tracked and overlooked your project. Nice going Brother!! 8)
It would have been far easier and faster to have leveled the old structure and start fresh but alas, not what the owner wanted to do.
Hank barks "This one next Larry". I polity obey the log dog least he nips me!
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Saturday was sunny and in the 40's. The big pine was still frozen but it was nice to get the mill going. Looks like a early spring going to be warm all this week.
Nice job, Lee!
Larry, that is a fine log-picker-outer.
Beautiful day in the 40's, felt good to get back on the sawmill 8). Cut some parts for the sawmill shed we'll start as soon as it dries up. Got a couple of 6x8x17' cedar poles and some 8"x12' B&B siding material out of yesterdays efforts.
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Finally got back to mill some more of the white pine for my friends that I started at the end of January. Still have half a day of milling to do. It well have to wait a few days it's supposed to rain tomorrow.
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Opened up a nice Cherry today. Nice clear log. Going to cut some 5/4 boards.
Cedar mantel I cut. 5 5/8 thick 106 long
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Like all that red ceder. We don't have that around here.
Excellent mantle. Would be an easy sell here.
Quote from: WDH on March 10, 2020, 06:48:51 PM
Excellent mantle. Would be an easy sell here.
I've had one call on it
Very nice Kwill. :)
I finished the "sand box" yesterday, for now anyway. He has a few more trees but they are all standing, not logs yet. If he needs more timbers, I will return.
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The last of the sandy logs for now anyway.
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We slid the slabs onto the loader forks as they were sawn. Everything had to go on and come off of the loader side.
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Sometimes the toe board is not high enough. This one needed 4 more inches. ;D
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I was set up on a lake levee which was a tight squeeze. Here the loader turns the sawmill around before I could hook up.
MM- Glad you made it out of the sandbox. Did your left side muscles tell you they were overworked?
Yup, gonna have a Popeye left arm. 8)
I use a 12 foot long skid steer attachment they refer to as a crane, I have a 2 inch receiver on the end, and have a ball on it. I can jack knife and set my sawmill and other trailers into very tight spots. mine comes out once a year for camp Alaska, gets cleaned and repaired and put back in its niche. this is part of my security plan, I do not think anyone could easily hook up to my mill with a truck and get out of the yard. At least not without alerting Libby, our German Shepard.
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headed to camp. no truck in the muddy yard area.
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after cleaning, and maintaining, back in the cubby hole.
So axe throwing is apparently a thing. I now have an every two week standing order for 30-40 poplar target boards.
He wants them green and dead stacked. 1 7/8x9 1/4x4'.
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I have a couple throwing axes. Cheap fun. Always threw them at 3-4 inch thick cookies though. I always thought a board would split.
My customer has an axe throwing venue. It's a business. Apparently the green poplar doesn't split like kiln dried pine. The customer puts 4 boards side by side to make a 37"x48" target. He replaces the two center boards more often than the two outside boards. He has tried box store 2x10 and has ordered cottonwood 1 7/8 x 9 1/4 x48". The cost was over double my price.
When I was involved with the Scouts, we threw axes at large rounds as well.
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We had a really heavy snowfall late January and the fellas that clear hazard trees for the elect co. dropped a 12" white oak in my ditch, abundance of caution I think. NOT letting that rot away... milled it up today, looking forward to making live edge projects from it in a few months.
Sawyer, the end grain cookies work the best, and relatively green wood is best. elm and cotton wood work great. the tangled grain keeps them from splitting. a tomahawk will bounce off of harder wood like locust. the rounds look a little more "Davy Crocket" any way compared to kiln dried box store 2 x 10s.
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elm cookie 3 inches thick
Take a look at end grain sycamore... :)
Doc, I don't doubt that rounds work fine. I'm no axe target expert but my customer is. He wants green poplar he gets green poplar. :D He pays regularly and pays my standard board foot rate for it plus an amount for cutting to 4' lengths. $ :)$. My goal is to keep him happy and keep him as a repeat customer.
He's a competitive axe thrower, if that's the right term. They use four board targets for the competitions he's involved in. I do believe he said the preferred wood is cottonwood but I don't have much any of that here.
I guess it may depend on the organization he is associated with as to the target and rules.
This is the link to WATL (https://d190epngjj0e6r.cloudfront.net/website/rules/lane-diagram-2019-3-1.pdf) (World Ax Throwing League).
WATL target design
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it is all good. just stating what we use and have available here. the customer is always right. we have so much cottonwood here, 1 tree about every 100 feet it seems. yes for a competition you have to follow the rules. end grain works well for us hobby guys. when you said it was business, I figured he would want a long lasting easy to stick target. Poplar and cottonwood are in the same family I believe.
Quote from: SawyerTed on March 11, 2020, 05:10:47 PM
My customer has an axe throwing venue. It's a business. Apparently the green poplar doesn't split like kiln dried pine. The customer puts 4 boards side by side to make a 37"x48" target. He replaces the two center boards more often than the two outside boards. He has tried box store 2x10 and has ordered cottonwood 1 7/8 x 9 1/4 x48". The cost was over double my price.
When I was involved with the Scouts, we threw axes at large rounds as well.
Sweetgum should be a good choice for this sport because it won't split
The 'new' axe throwing league is more like a hatchet throw ::) seen it on tv once . Millennial sport . :(
Today, another batch of wedges 10" x 12" x 3' long very heavy.
Sometimes you need to build bridges to get it done.
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Jim Rogers
The big Bob moving some hemlock to the log deck.
One 10 wheeler load down 2 to go.
2x4,2x6,2x8,2x10 and 8x8
12' to 18' longp
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WM service loop came through East Texas today....... Top-shelf service and very informative for me.
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Piddlin today so I cut an ash I had split a couple weeks ago and I also cut a couple of 7' ash logs I had in stock. The long ash split I cut into 2X4's for framing to nail sides on my shed. The short end of the shed starts at about 7' so the short logs made perfect siding on that low corner. I already have installed the 4/4 siding and about half the 2X4s.
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The piece on the mill I split with a chainsaw and already sawed the big section. The short pieces made perfect siding for what I was doing.
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7-12' 2X4's out of the long ash split.
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4/4 siding from 4" (Small log at back) to 12" side from the bigger one. Total sawed today was 134 bf for my shed use.
Quote from: E-Tex on March 13, 2020, 04:18:03 PMWM service loop came through East Texas today.......
Looks like Bob is still on the move. LINK (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=109522.msg1712044#msg1712044)
Quote from: E-Tex on March 13, 2020, 04:18:03 PM
WM service loop came through East Texas today....... Top-shelf service and very informative for me.
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I might have them look at my mill in a couple of years. I've been doing all the maintenance according to the book and have done a few repairs but I only have a few hundred hours on the hour meter.
MM..... yup, it was Bob.
EOTE..... he drove right past your place on 69 when he left here!!!!
I sawmilled some white pine at home this afternoon.
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Sawed Walnut and Cherry today. The stack is about 1/3 of the day's sawing.
My customer is on the forklift.
The poplar logs in the background belong to the commercial sawmill next door.
My customer is the son of the owner of the local builders supply company. He builds high end furniture and cabinets when he's not working at the builders supply.
He uses a flatbed with a Moffitt forklift to transport his stacks to his cabinet shop where he air drys for several months before kiln drying.
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Quote from: Jim_Rogers on March 12, 2020, 05:29:26 PM
Today, another batch of wedges 10" x 12" x 3' long very heavy.
Sometimes you need to build bridges to get it done.
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Jim Rogers
What does he use them for?
In my case it's what did I saw. Just finished a 4700 bd ft job of SYP for a friend's home. Mostly B&B siding 12, 8 and 3 " wide and 2x4s. It's under my barn shed to air dry for several months. A challenge with a manual mill but fun that I am glad is over.
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I guess I lost a post somewhere. ??? Anyway I got out and sawed 4 stock ash logs. They have sat too long and getting pretty badly spalted. I cut a 10' log then had to trim the boards when I immediately installed them on my shed to I cut a 16'6" log into a 9' & 7'6" so I would not have to trim to fit the space as much and I also cut a couple of 8' logs. I had about 203 bf which closed in my shed long end.
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Several of the logs I sawed. Another I did not include.
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Sample 4/4 lumber. I had boards from 4" to 10" wide and from 7.5' to 10'
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No stacking and stickering required. Nailed them all up except that small handful by the little buckeye on the rock bar above the shed.
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Quote from: Jim_Rogers on March 12, 2020, 05:29:26 PM
Today, another batch of wedges 10" x 12" x 3' long very heavy.
Sometimes you need to build bridges to get it done.
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Jim Rogers
What does he use them for?
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Thanks for picture Jim Rogers very interesting I've made them with a chainsaw we called them ramps they were almost always cut from 8x8 Aspen or Ash . I like the looks of the ones you have in the back of the pickup, you produce quality products. (reply # 483 )
opened up this 24" cherry, waiting for its owner to let me know what he wants from it.
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These last two were delivered this afternoon.
Here is how I clamp the block to cut it from corner to corner to make the wedge:
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Because the block was 3' 6" long, I trimmed off 6" from one end. Then I used a 1 1/2 by plank for a 10" tall fence. and another 1 1/2 x7 for a false deck under the block so that the clamp plank, a 1 1/2x 7x4' can press against just the object block and the fence plank.
I set one end of the block up onto the waste block so that I can then cut it from end to end. I used my logrite peavy to lift the block up and set it on top of the waste block. The pile of gray blocks were my fulcrum pieces.
When you squeeze it all up it is very solid. I shifted the top piece for the photo so you could see the two pieces.
Jim Rogers
PS feel free to use this method anytime.
Week 5 cutting my Ash piles. Just starting another log pile with both some small and some medium 5 foot logs. I feel like MM in the sandbox, but with no sand. I'm out of the mud after having turned the mill around and loading via the driveway and moving one log pile to be accessible from the driveway. The firewood is nearly gone. I've been splitting the large rounds and other leftover firewood from last summer with a maul and a few of the construction crew have been taking it as I split it. I bundled up 6 bundles of edgings I cut to firewood length for kindling.
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Why does the color of Ash vary from very light cream to light brown? IT seems random and splotchy sometimes. Look at this one, one side is brown and the other cream? What happens over time, does it even out some?
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Brad,
How are your ash logs in stock holding up? Mine are getting badly spalted but I did a poor job of storing them directly on the ground. Most are gone.
I ran out of firewood so I went out to cut a big dead ash I have been watching. It had one long limb sticking out on the opposite side of where I wanted it to fall and I am very scared when cutting ash of tops and limbs falling. This one turned out to be about 30" at the butt and close enough to my line fence and corner gate to hit them so I took the extra precaution of wrapping a long 1/4" cable around it then through a snatch block to convenient Norway spruce then to my tractor. I gave it a couple of good jerks with John before I went over and notched then cut it. I had put a new 24" bar and new chain on my Stihl 441 and it cut real good. Once I was as comfortable as I was going to get I got back on the tractor and pulled and it came right on down where I wanted. It did take a small buckeye with it but I expected that as they were nearly growing together. The tree top broke into several big pieces but the butt log seems solid but spalted up about 14-15 ft. I pulled down a big limb or two but still have not bucked the log which will challenge the limits of my tractor and my mill but will likely provide enough lumber to finish the back and short end of my new shed project.
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Big patches of bark already slipped. Very ugly limb on the left over where I needed to make my back cut. I did not get a picture of it on the ground but all went well and I lived to tell about it. These trees always scare me when I cut one and when they don't I will probably stop cutting them as they deserve all our respect. Weather and schedule permitting I may saw this one the end of the week. It will also provide enough firewood to finish out the year for me from the tops and limbs.
Pretty good so far. They were dead standing and taken down last year as soon as the tree guys could get in(which was spotty in June through the end of the summer). There may be some from earlier in the spring, not totally sure. I've gone through one pile of logs (30-40 or so). Some minor spalting in maybe 1/2 dozen, but not enough to weaken the boards. With ash, it doesn't take much spalting to weaken the wood, but these few must have just started as I judged them ok to still use. Any log with a hole where water has been getting in is going to have more spalting or rot around that area. I'm thinking that the ones showing some spalt may have been on top of the pile. The last ones I cut (today), even through they are smaller logs, were near the bottom and were probably kept more dry. They had no spalting.
I was expecting more spalting, and honestly thought some might end up as firewood, but none have ended up firewood.
Brad, to me the light color in your photo looks like sapwood and the darker heartwood.
@WV Sawmiller (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=28064) , we need pics of said spalted ash. ;D
I'm starting to think that maybe the color is oxidation? After it's exposed to air long enough that it darkens to that light brown? In this picture you can see at the end of the log where more oxygen is getting to the end is changing color.
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Here is some of my minor spalting on the edge of these book match boards. The rest of the board is clean.
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Quote from: busenitzcww on March 17, 2020, 11:19:35 AM@WV Sawmiller (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=28064) , we need pics of said spalted ash. ;D
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These are pix of boards I already installed on my shed with varying degrees of spalting down to boarderline punky. They would never work where strength is required but are okay for a non weight bearing wall covering.
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On the upper left you can see spalting in the stump of the tree I cut yesterday.
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This is a picture of the big dead ash I showed in an earlier post but did not get a picture yesterday. The butt log is about 30" where cut.
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Same tree , different angle. Lots of firewood and maybe 2 saw logs.
Cut my first oak on the new mill. This was a post oak. It had been cut maybe 3 weeks. Seem to be really hard. I'm wondering if I would have cut it right after falling it if would of made a difference. I was using 4 degree woodmizer double hard.
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This a 6x8x10 I made for my beams on my wagon running gear build.
Post Oak does not like to give up without a fight so neither 3 weeks nor 6 months would have made any real difference. It is the absolute best that you could have chosen for your wagon project.
Well maybe Black Locust, but that ain't what you had. ;D
Cutting cedar today from the fire that destroyed the town of Paradise, CA. Today is the first day on the job which will yield architectural millwork for the New Natural Resources Headquarters in Sacramento, CA. A tic above freezing; rain and sleet today. I have posted more about this project in the customer's project thread.
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With those temps, I'm assuming you are cutting up in Paradise?
No , we are in the mountains above Palm Springs,,,,it snowed a little today.....
I'm trucking in the cedar and redwood from Paradise for this project and some large gate builds about to start up.Lots of wood (log loads) on the market this week with the uncertainty in the future. Stock up !
Quote from: Magicman on March 18, 2020, 05:46:13 PM
Post Oak does not like to give up without a fight so neither 3 weeks nor 6 months would have made any real difference. It is the absolute best that you could have chosen for your wagon project.
Well maybe Black Locust, but that ain't what you had. ;D
Do you think it will be stout enough?
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Quote from: tule peak timber on March 18, 2020, 09:43:01 PM
No , we are in the mountains above Palm Springs,,,,it snowed a little today.....
I'm trucking in the cedar and redwood from Paradise for this project and some large gate builds about to start up.Lots of wood (log loads) on the market this week with the uncertainty in the future. Stock up !
I can't get into my place with probably 6 or 7 feet of snow :-\ Last fall I couldn't get truckers to call back. I'd think you could lease some property up there cheap right now to pre-process the logs down to rough lumber to take home to finish milling.
I have a lot of room to stack and store, while all other property around me is much sought after by the dope growers. We just keep our heads down and mind our own business..........
Quote from: Kwill on March 18, 2020, 09:59:50 PMDo you think it will be stout enough?
More than stout enough. Those are fantastic. The traditional size for those is 2x8 or 3x8, so I'd say you're good, and then some. Looking good!
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Quote from: Magicman on March 18, 2020, 05:46:13 PM
Post Oak does not like to give up without a fight so neither 3 weeks nor 6 months would have made any real difference. It is the absolute best that you could have chosen for your wagon project.
Well maybe Black Locust, but that ain't what you had. ;D
Do you think it will be stout enough?
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If you finish building the wagon bed in the same proportion as those two beams you will need to get a 10 ton running gear to be able to put any load on. My guess is that that running gear may be rated for 5 tons at best.
btulloh's comment I agree with.
GAB
That running gear looks less than 3 ton, with auto tires on it.
It's a 5 ton and the tires are temporary just to move it around. The top I will finish with 2x 6.5 ft long. I'm thinking about putting the beams back on the mill and taking 1 1/2 off them. They would be 4.5 x 8 and I'd have my 2 long boards going down the sides
Milling some boards for the wagon
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milled some pilings that were salvaged from Bellingham Wa. Bay
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beautiful grain and staining from being in mud for years. Bad thing is they have a very strong petroleum smell.
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They are going too be 10" x 10" x 16' posts for my mill cover
wow those will work great. I am surprised the smell is bad after all the years. is it after they are cut, or even before?. I wonder if after they are cut, if a top sealer like a spar urethane if you want them natural, or like a odor sealing varnish like Kilz/zinsser ect. if white is ok. I think they still have an oil based available. that is what we used when rebuilding houses after a fire. That was all the work back in the early 80s when interest rates were 18 to 21%, and no one was building new houses. looks like it would be easy to roll on with a roller and extended handle.
My friend that brought these poles 5 or 6 years ago. That's how long they been collecting dust in the woodlot.
I think I made a post about them back then.
Anyway I milled one of the bigger ones a 20+" pole on the ole B-20 5 years ago and they had the smell then also.
The wider 2-1/2" live edge slabs had georgous grey staining probably the part of pole that was in ground. A customer bought them and made a table out it and I asked him later about the smell and he said it went away.
There not treated and when they pulled them out of bay they still had bark on them.
There's a big refinery in Bellingham and the pilings were very old and abandoned pier for many years, they probably just soaked up the pollution over the years.
I will just keep them natural I also like the wane on them.
One thing for sure they are going to extremely strong posts.
I try too use material with a story when building around my sawmill village.
Redbeard, how is that orchard walnut coming along ? Pics ? Did you put any in your kiln ? Rob
Jeff, I suppose that you will build the new sawmill shed before you move the Cooks. ??? I know that sawing the posts is one step closer and exciting.
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Jeff's "Sawmill Village" when we visited last July. The Cooks will be located on the slab (which will be extended) directly behind the camper. You can see the Cooks in the background on the left of the camper.
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Here he is showing off the Cooks.
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And he also does a good job with his Oscar 60".
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I watched him saw this slab!! :o
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He also does a good job with Dungeness Crabs. ;D
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Cutting some cedar slabs today. This one is 17 inches with 1 edge live. A customer ordered 3 like this and 14 twelve inch wide 4/4 boards.
Not really sawing but my crotchety old neighbors came over this morning and got another load of slabs. We got rained out after about half a load yesterday. They cut it up into 6-12 inch lengths to burn in his little coal burning stove. The man in the overalls is the one I offered a mess of catfish to last year and when I said I'd go get an ice cream bucket to put them in he reached in his back pocket and said "I just happen to have a ziplock bag right here" and pulled out a gallon bag so he definitely came prepared. He has gotten all my slab wood the last year. I sell it to him for $10 a pick up load. I go out and help them. They are a riot to listen to them bicker at each other. I made and keep a saw horse or two out there just to help them saw. Its easier, and a lot more fun, than when I used to have to move all the slabs myself and burn them.
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I cut four spaultered maple cookies this morning for my first happy customer of today.
Here is the first one.
He just wanted them flat didn't care about actual thicknesses.
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My brother in law came over today to do some welding for me.
He brought 5 hornbeam logs for me to saw.
He's building sideboards for his one ton truck.
Sawed it with a frost notch band. Came out smooth and flat.
I would like to get some logs of it.
Nice looking wood.
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Quote from: Magicman on March 21, 2020, 08:34:52 AM
Jeff, I suppose that you will build the new sawmill shed before you move the Cooks. ??? I know that sawing the posts is one step closer and exciting.
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Jeff's "Sawmill Village" when we visited last July. The Cooks will be located on the slab (which will be extended) directly behind the camper. You can see the Cooks in the background on the left of the camper.
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Here he is showing off the Cooks.
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And he also does a good job with his Oscar 60".
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I watched him saw this slab!! :o
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He also does a good job with Dungeness Crabs. ;D
That's one hefty Cancer Magister.
I've had some order cancellations the last few days. But I've been fortunate to have other orders to come in. The cancellations were from businesses that have been shut down due to COVID-19.
Today I cut around 1,200 board feet of cherry and ash. It was mixture of 4/4 and 5/4. The customer likes to mix the layers of 5/4 between layers of 4/4.
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This is the stack of cherry and ash.
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These customer is a former student and his 20 something year old son. They build farmhouse tables and other furniture. This is a load of 1x and 4x4s.
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This customer came by yesterday wanting siding for a deer stand. I cut 5/8 x 8" siding boards. He is also a former student and my neighbor. The deer stand will be on my farm so I get to hunt from the stand when I want.
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These 6x6x16 will be posts for a giant swing.
I just saws 'em and loads 'em! My apologies to Magicman for twisting his saying.
Bruno - When you say hornbeam do you mean American hop hornbeam (Ostrya virginiana, AKA ironwood, mini-shagbark, probably others) or hornbeam (Carpinus caroliniana, AKA blue beech, ironwood, musclewood, probably others)?
Either way that appears to be a decent size one. The biggest Ostrya gets around here is ~10" and they always have serious defect. Carpinus is quite native in this part of the state but just south of us it grows but is always a large bush.
Clark
Quote from: SawyerTed on March 21, 2020, 03:28:32 PMI just saws 'em and loads 'em! My apologies to Magicman for twisting his saying.
A man gots to do what a man gots to do. thumbs-up
I dragged down 3 ash uppers yesterday and sawed them into 4/4 (1X8 & 1X6's) today to use on the back side of my shed. The tree was dead and there is some spalting but these were pretty solid boards. They are on the shed now.
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1 - 9' and 1-8' with another 8' not shown. Very muddy logs.
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96 bf of 1X6 and 1X8's.
the nice thing, is the style of siding on your shed, can be replace as individual boards if needed. If a few turn out more punky, make some new ones. does anyone apply a preservative or water repellant like linseed oil ect?
I have never painted or put any preservative on mine but I have a 5 gallon can of stain in a barn that has been frozen and such and I would not trust it on my house but would be willing to try it on the shed. We will see if I get that bored.
I was curious and only mentioned it since you said some of the boards were spalted. It has character and fit s the property and intended purpose well. poss. mimics the owner/builder some as well! :) . looks great. I wish I had room for a big shed like that.
Be sure and use three or four very different stains ;D.
Clark,
The bark looked like shagbark .
My brother in law is a logger and works for a land owner that has a vast forest in the lower white mountain area of NH.
He's says he has cut some on this property 16 " on the but.
At one time he had a buyer of 4ft bolts for $600 a thousand.
They made ax handles and peavy handles.
Lynn, did you and Jeff pull those Dungeness from between Camano and Whidbey Island? One of my old fishing spots.
Miss that!
Dennis
Jeff already had the crabs when we got there so I know not where they came from. I only know where they went. food6 digin1 digin_2
@WV Sawmiller (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=28064) , it looks like you have almost as much mud as I do! I had to call the Doc to come help me pull Hank, the ton truck, out of the back yard with the tractor this afternoon.
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Cherry Mantel with a bullet.
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Al Capone used to vacation around here so I am guessing he was shooting at some one and missed.
Now you can have that historic slug on your fireplace. LOL!
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Some live edge 5/4 Cherry for myself. Going to build a book shelf for my gun room. Pretty wood, the sun took the detail out of the pic.
Quote from: SawyerTed on March 21, 2020, 09:45:58 PM@WV Sawmiller (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=28064) , it looks like you have almost as much mud as I do! I had to call the Doc to come help me pull Hank, the ton truck, out of the back yard with the tractor this afternoon.
Ted,
We sure have plenty to share. the old men in my earlier post were here at the start of the week and got a load of wood and he tried to drive around a locust tree above my hay barn and he got on the side slope and nearly slid into an extension I built on to store my fireplace mantels and slabs. I had to hook the tractor to the front end to pull him away and he still came within about 6" of sliding into it. A couple years ago I slid the tractor into it and had to use my truck to pull the tractor away from it. It is sure a mess right now. My grass needs mowing but its too wet to mow it.
Some of the rocks on The C Farm will stiffen up any mud hole. Or bog too. :D
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I bucked off a piece of firewood on one end then bucked this as log into a 9' and a 5' length. I cut the 9' log into 4/4 for my new shed back and sawed the 5' log into stickers.
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56" of wall coverage from the 9' log (Just enough to complete the back side of my new shed) and 56 1"X 1"X5' stickers. I cut the stickers into 2' and 1' stickers. I use the 24" stickers because the forks on my FEL are about 20" long so I make and use 2' wide stacking pallets. I save the 1' pieces for odd boards and slabs and such.
We got these air dried 2 x 10's loaded up yesterday. Now we have drying rack space to put more lumber. We will go get more longleaf today or tomorrow. We cut six GN trailer loads of longleaf last Thursday morning.
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We stashed a couple of loads like this one close to where we were getting them rather than hauling them across town. If you look at the sap rings developing, it will give a good indication of the heart size in these logs- not fast grown plantation pine.(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22883/IMG_4005.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1584910581)
There is an empty lumber rack in the background of picture of the trailer.
Those are some sweet longleaf logs.
Thanks Bruno! If the bark is peeling like shag bark but on a smaller scale then it is Ostrya virginiana or ironwood as the locals call it here. It's always an understory tree in these parts and only grows on better hardwood sites. Over in the UP it will grow to nearly become a respectable tree but 16" on the butt is very large.
$600/thousand sounds good for a species that would otherwise go to the firewood pile but when I think how many 4' bolts of that size it would take to make 1,000 bd-ft...it would be a slow process!
Clark,
I want to bring some in as I have a couple of ideas as to who to market it to.
I'm going to cut some 3/4 live edge siding out of these this morning.
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I rolled them under the sawmill shed last night so i could keep out of the rain today.
You may want to try some 5/8" siding. I experimented with 3/4 and 5/8 siding and prefer the 5/8 now. I sawed one flat surface, rotated 90 degrees to clamp against then sawed down about half way, rotated ends on the log and put the same side back against the side supports and sawed to the bed. Good luck.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on March 23, 2020, 10:19:36 AM
You may want to try some 5/8" siding. I experimented with 3/4 and 5/8 siding and prefer the 5/8 now. I sawed one flat surface, rotated 90 degrees to clamp against then sawed down about half way, rotated ends on the log and put the same side back against the side supports and sawed to the bed. Good luck.
I'm just about to start so I believe I'll give that a try. Makes sense that siding doesn't need to be 3/4. Thanks for the advice.
This is what my brother in law is doing with the hornbeam I sawed for him on Saturday afternoon.
Rack sides for his new to him Dodge Cummings one ton.
Pre def with 64,000 miles
It's getting an egr delete and stacks .
A dump piston add under the flat bed.
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Cut some oak cookies the other day. Town tree, was suggested maybe iron injections? 26" diameter
With the ripple that I see along with the crazy, I would have loved to have seen that log flat sawn.
X2 on that.
Is the rest of that still in log form?
It got busted up into pretty short pieces and the dark streaks were only in the very lower part of the trunk. Did cut one piece into slabs. Client did say he was bringing another chunk yet so we'll see.
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Some cherry today. This is my first cherry
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5 4/4 slabs and one 3 inch slab
Very pretty cherry. I love cherry. I hope you anchorsealed the ends before sawing. I find cherry and ash to be some of the worst woods I cut for end checking. I normally take my anchorseal with me when I grab the chainsaw and seal almost immediately after bucking the log. I like to make primitive benches out of the 2" live edge slabs so I save short pieces, crotches and I love cherry curves.
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This is probably the last short cherry bench I made.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on March 23, 2020, 09:44:48 PM
Very pretty cherry. I love cherry. I hope you anchorsealed the ends before sawing. I find cherry and ash to be some of the worst woods I cut for end checking. I normally take my anchorseal with me when I grab the chainsaw and seal almost immediately after bucking the log. I like to make primitive benches out of the 2" live edge slabs so I save short pieces, crotches and I love cherry curves.
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This is probably the last short cherry bench I made.
Dont have a thing here to seal them with. Was hoping to sell them green.
As I mentioned I seal mine immediately after bucking the log to length so they are certainly green. I'd get some anchorseal, paint or whatever I could find to help protect against checking. Good luck.
I was going to my parents place the other day and saw someone clearing land. Big ol mesquite stump was laying there so we asked if we could take it.
The response? "That's huisache, not sure why you want it, but sure."
Here is the result:
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The pieces are 4' tall and 22" wide. Got 5 nice slabs like this 2" thick. I had no idea mesquite was so dense! these slabs are about 75# each. The stump rolled on my big toe and I thought it was a goner for a bit. Dad thought we could roll it up on the trailer, but had to end up getting the tractor and crane to lift it on. Probably weighed close to 700 # for that short 4' piece
The other ...interesting... characteristic is it smells awful. Heavy urea, urine, not sure. but it smells like stale pee and its VERY strong.
You made the right choice slabbing out that stump.
Hopefully we can get back to sawing some time this week. We have been doing chores to get ready to saw that include cutting and hauling more logs, adding roofing to the mill shed, unloading a drying rack, building another drying rack, delivering wood to be sold on consignment at the local hardwood lumber store, planing some lumber, checking mill alignment and ordering another box of blades.
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Big cypress mantle being planed.
John's truck loaded with cedar cookies, heart pine, curly maple slabs, live oak boards, camphor slabs, a thin cedar live edged piece, and the cypress mantle from above.
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The desk top below was a picture sent to me by one of our customers. She does the burning and epoxy and has been busy selling stuff like this and river tables lately. We have been able to get a lot done since we were all sent home on 3/13 and still maintain social distance(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22883/IMG_4004.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1584910578)
Next Monday we find out what type of work we will be expected to do on our real jobs. I expect both will be a lot different than 3/12.
Today we are hacking and stacking cedar from the 2018 Camp fire.
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Starting up on some coastal live oak this afternoon. Great looking stuff that we sell a lot of .
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And a look inside-I see a table set in about 3-4 years....
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Beautiful!
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My first off-site job of the season. 13.1 miles away. I dug the mill out of the mud that had accumulated around the landing gear feet and hooked it to my truck.
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Loaded my mobile sawing kit - Magic hook, tape, old bumper jack, box of 4 degree bands, spare gas, toolbox, spare tire, leaf blower, chainsaw w/gas, tools & bar oil, ATF spray bottle, felling ax and wedges for blade reversal (if needed), Logrite and cheap local cant hook, spud bar, shovel, tamping bar, short boards and short 6X6 for feet levelers, dry wall knife, and shop brush, ear muffs and FireEx.
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Okay - I have sawed bigger, prettier log piles. This was actually one dead maple cut into 9' and 10' "logs". Customer first said he wanted 10/4 and 14/4 with one live edge. I cut the first one @ 10/4 and he decided that was plenty thick enough and we sawed them all that way. I did salvage 3-4 4/4 piece for him. About 300 bf and I went to the barn with him to help stack but did not get a finished picture. The customer was very happy and better yet his wife was all excited about it so it was a very good day. My minimum order to move the mill applied and I even discounted that.
Having recently cut live edge siding helped. I'd square one side vertical to any heart check, put that face against the side supports, make a cut or two, lower the side supports, flip the cant on the face just sawed, lift near the center an inch or two with the movable clamp to use as a pivot point, spin the log completely around 180 degrees and put the same/original face back against the rails and saw to the rails. The live edge is always opposite the back side supports. You can spin a very heavy cant on top of the clamp.
Sawing 1x12x14 hemlock barn siding for a customer and I bought some red pine logs to saw.
I like the look of red pine I will see how it sells.
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I took my sawmill out of the barn where it was stored for the winter, set it up and started sawing. 8) I set it up in a different location this year between two barns where it can't be seen from the road and the noise is less for the house across the road. In the summer I like to start sawing around 5:30. So far I like this location.
I started with cherry that I logged during the winter. After sawing two small short logs to work out the kinks, I put a pretty nice log on the mill.
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I got a nice little wack of lumber from that log. I'm so happy to be sawing again!
All the best, Cutter
I finished milling the white pine I bought this winter. It took me three days too mill it up with the weather and renovating my parents rental house. I'm hoping to build a new sawmill shed soon or modify my old sawmill shed if I get rid of my old lt15.
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A rough 36" white oak. I was supposed to quarter saw but due to the shake I made a management decision to flat saw. Still sent most of the cob to the slab pile.
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The other end.
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A junk cherry log, but in about 10 minutes I had 8 river table slabs. It seems the most ugly brings the most $$$$$'s.
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That is exactly right.
@Larry (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=125) what do the green marks signify for you? go to mill?
We had a tornado in Rogers a few months ago. 1,000's of trees down, lots of big ones. I believe this customer was marking logs for me to saw with a green dot. A lot of the logs were shattered by the twister and go to the landfill or firewood.
This cant is out of a SYP about 28" at the but with very little taper and no limbs log was clear. I drop down to 2 inches above the center and cut the cant in half the drop down 2 inches cut a slab then another slab. The I put he first slab back on to cut some 2x4 and about half though the fist cut it began to bow and did that 1 more time. My question is why and how do you saw 2x4 that will stay straight.
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Then my mind was trying to figure out why the warp and then this happen cant chew gum and walk at the same time ;D I will say cooks blades cut nice but 1 1/2x1/4 tubing will round the teeth off and slow reactions makes this :D
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It cut a # 50 chain before the stop was cut nearly off.
We sawed a few of the longleaf pine logs that we cut last week. We started with a sample 7/47 WM band and it did well until we encountered a log with a few knots. After this band started diving, we switched to a Kasco 1.5", 7°. It still did not cut completely flat when encountering knots but the deflection was less.
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Kasco, 7 degree 1.5" blade with less deflection when encountering knot. It was hot as blue blazes today, 92°F at 7 P.M. but we sawed for about four hours and cut a little less than 1300 bf of some pretty good looking pine. Tomorrow we will sticker stack it. We have ordered a box of 4° bands. Hopefully they will cut flatter when we hit the hard knots and saw the live oak and hickory that are on deck.
Caveman,
Want to cut flat in big hard knots give this band a try .It eats the big knots
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Live oak and hickory. They both saw easy. smiley_devil smiley_devil smiley_devil :D :D :D
But at least it's not pine knots.
Looking forward to seeing how those blades do.
Bruno, I don't doubt you but that blade of yours looks like a serrated steak knife.
We have come to realize that a sawmill is a component between a lot of work on either end. Fell the trees, buck the logs, repair the trailer brakes, air up leaky trailer tires, load and haul the logs, unload and stack the logs, saw the logs (sawmill), sticker stack the boards, move and burn the slabs, kiln dry the boards, and then try to sell or use them.
I think MagicMan has it figured out. I am a slow learner.
That blade type will cut flat in big knots,frozen hard maple, iron wood and yellow birch like butter better than the Kasco 4° bands I run and 1/3 the cost.
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Got started a little late this evening because of the rain. Cutting some cedar 1/2 siding for my dad's trailer shed I built him last year.
Well Bruno, what is it?
Also Bruno, how do you sharpen that blade?
DW bands makes them they are out of Pa.
They are still open just got some on Friday.
They can sharpen them.
I wouldn't have sawed all winter without them.
To frustrating with frozen logs.
I run them in 1.25 .050 171" on my wide head mill
The flex life is awsome
$16.75 per band delivered
They have a new version in 1.5 that's even better I hear.
This band saved my business, as I can now winter saw in full confidence with perfect lumber.
I will still use 747's and ripper 37's in 7° for easy to saw logs in the summer. In winter sawing theses mentioned bands dull to fast in frozen logs.
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I almost maxed my mill out . I definitely maxed me out. 27" butt 24' long . I need hydraulics . :o
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I forgot to get end of day pictures because I was so wore out. Bad morning in" Did something dumb today " I think this would have made some nice tables, but I needed some 24' framing lumber and didn't know where I could get anymore 24' logs.
Not many people need a 24' long table. I'd say you chose wisely.
I cut a big dead ash tree a week or back and been burning the top and limbs for firewood. I got a few boards and some framing out of the uppers now today I started on the 15' butt log. The SED is about 26"+ and a lot of flare at the base. I trimmed it down to a 12" cant and sawed 5 - 2X12X15 and still have 2 more on the cant and several more 2X4 to 2X6 to trim out. I got a couple of wide trim cuts 1/2"-3/4" I am real happy to get. I will likely make them into cutting boards. We have one in the house we have been using several years and we are real happy with it. I ran out of daylight so I will finish edging and finish the cant in the morning.
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Big ash log - lots of flare to trim off. A little punk and spalting on the edge but the center was very solid. Note to self - 15' ash 2X12's are very heavy.
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First 4 - 2X12's. All John can handle. I'll finish in about 30 more minutes in the morning.
EDIT/Update: I finished this morning just as it started to rain. 300 bf out of the log. I did saw some more thin 12" wide pieces to make more cutting boards.
An incense cedar butt today.
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I began my today's sawing after the rain stopped. Three 26' logs to be bucked into 12's and about a dozen "uglies".
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The cut list is for only 1" lumber. We were progressing fairly well until my customer's boss called and told him to report to work tomorrow leaving nothing for us to do but shut the sawing down and tally.
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My 25 year old female tailgunner shows the 1107 bf that we sawed before the shutdown.
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The dozen uglies will have to wait for another day, but he did give me a $50 tip. ;D
Lynn,
Are they going to leave the stack with your tailgunner stacked that wide? I try to tell folks not to stack over 4' wide if possible. I always understood the wide stacks don't get enough air flow to dry properly.
It will all be nailed up on the building soon, so there will be very little drying. Kinda like your shed.
"I see said the blind man to the deaf wife on the telephone." Thanks for the update.
Have sawed a few this spring but still lots of snow here . There are 300 logs approx scattered about in this pic . Can you see them
Quebecnewf
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And the pic is upside not sure why it was posted to my gallery right side up . Guess our fearless adm will fix it
Sorry
Quebecnewf
Note from fearless adm: Pic fixed.
..haha couldn't tell the difference looking at the pick..tricky on the eye tho.. snowing here today from your neighbor province in NB :'(
Quote from: Quebecnewf on April 01, 2020, 05:17:58 AM
Have sawed a few this spring but still lots of snow here . There are 300 logs approx scattered about in this pic . Can you see them
Quebecnewf
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Looks like a good place for social isolating! :D
Sawing 5/8 inch mountain siding. It's going to be delivered stacked tomorrow morning and installed on Saturday.
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Another big butt bites the dust.
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From huge butt logs in the west to a small crooked log in the east.
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Unfortunately there was rot in the log. Sometimes ugly logs make great looking lumber and sometimes they don't.
Great headboard material!
Dig the rotten wood out and fill the void with epoxy. Value added... 8)
Yes, remove and replace and make a set of circular benches.
While socially distancing on our spring break last week John and I got a few more loads of longleaf pine. He and I sawed a little over the weekend and I sawed some yesterday and today after my on line meetings.
The youngest cavegirl got some home school, hands on education today. She measured and cut some 2x4's for a lumber pallet and then nailed the 1x's on. Afterwards, she got to figure out how many bf we used to make the pallet.
A few pics. I have a good whack of logs stashed near the place we cut them and I hauled a few more home yesterday morning on the bumper pull trailer. Five or six more trailer loads and I should have them home.
Rob, I'm glad to see you are back to sawing big stuff. It amazes me with the products you turn out.
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I did not think a little wane would matter on a pallet's 1x10. This afternoon I sawed some logs that I have had since late last summer. I slabbed them heavy and most had really nice wood but they will mostly be relegated to pallets and saw donkeys (the short ones seen holding the lumber piles).
Kyle, that trailer is squalling.
Danny, I built it several years ago. It has Dexter 7000 lb. drop axles. I moved the spring pads to the bottom of the axles and mounted the springs underneath in order to get it as low as possible. I like to be able to load my bronco or tractor without having to use the ramps. It is pretty stout for a small trailer.
I have to do more online teacher stuff today and then can build another pallet, stack some wood, take blades to drop off on the porch of the man who sharpens for us and hopefully make some more saw dust.
This social distancing and working from home is beginning to feel a lot like retirement - I finally have time to get some much needed chores done.
I really admire the fact that your daughter is helping........ :) :) :)
Old saying about all is well that ends well, but my beginning was not well.
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My first in 18 years of sawing. :-\
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No jack needed when you have FAO's.
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Yup, road hazard. :-X
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Today's logs, 18 scattered out where I need to set the sawmill up.
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Didn't take but a few minuted so adjust the log whack.
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Grandson Luke is ready to start sawing.
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OK, I am the Magicman but I ain't a magician nor can I perform miracles. We did have some nice yield from this twister.
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10', 12', & 16' all 2X6's from 5 logs. ~1252 bf even after getting a late start after the tire failure. With thirteen logs to go it's iffy whether I will finish tomorrow. I hope so because the state virus shutdown begins at 5:00PM.
Good job Mr. Lynn. Way to persevere. It was only flat on the bottom. I hope you and your grandson enjoyed working together today.
Looks good magicman
Milled several cedar logs today making 4x4s. Trying to get my pile here at the house all milled before Monday. Got offered a job working in town and start monday. Was gonna try milling full time but with everything going on a guaranteed paycheck will be nice. Wont get to mill as much but I will still get to.
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Lynn,
Is the lockdown going to shut your mobile sawing down? As defined by our state I can still continue to do mobile sawing. I sure envy you those 2X pine jobs. My last tiny job was 10/4 one side live edge and a real pleasure to do. One cut on top to square it off, rotate 90 degrees then 4-5 cuts and the log was done.
@Magicman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=10011) I had a day start like that a little over a year ago when I was on my way to a job.
@Kwill (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=32883) at your age I bet you can do both! good luck with the new job!
Howard, yes the 2X jobs are my bread-n-butter. This entire job will be 2X6's and about a dozen 2X10's. No 2X4's or 1".
I have not seen any real definition about our "work related" travel so I do not plan to push it. I"ll be back home by 5 this afternoon but I do have a plan for sawing tomorrow. ;D
MM, is your spare mounted to the mill. If it is, please post a photo of your setup.
Wednesday, I was getting the mill ready to travel and discovered the battery dead. The key was not left in the on position. When I was accessing the battery, I noticed, for the first time, a warning decal stating that mill head should not be on contact strip if the mill is not being run. Two things come to mind. 1. There is something in the hydraulic box pulling small current. 2. wet sawdust conducting small current from the contact strip to the frame.
The battery is holding a charge, but may be near the end of its six year life.
6acre,
First I ever heard about the warning about the head not being in contact with the power strip when not in use. I almost always leave mine in contact. With the LT35 the switch does not even have to be on for the hydraulics to work. I routinely raise and lower the lifting arms and feet and such before I ever turn the mill on. I'll look through my manual again and see if I missed such a warning. Which section was it in?
WV,
I think he indicated it was on a label in the battery box.
Thanks - I look closer at mine. I have not had any issues with the battery or charging or such. Mill is about 5 years old. (Watch me go out and find it is dead now. ::))
Quote from: doc henderson on April 02, 2020, 11:59:54 PM
@Kwill (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=32883) at your age I bet you can do both! good luck with the new job!
Thanks doc. Yeah I will mill when I get home in the evenings and days off.
Computer ate my post while looking at the last picture. I hate when that happens.
Sawed 4 one year old stock maple logs I rolled off the mountain last year about this time with a cant hook and ATV and long cable eventually. 8' because could not move longer logs. I was afraid going bad but all were very solid with spalting on the ends. I guess I was surprised the spalting did not go further into the centers than it did. I cut into 8/4 LE for benches and one into 10/4 edged for legs.
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Here are the "logs" The ugly top made 4 LE planks that will probably turn out to be the prettiest benches as they have the most character with the knots and limb cut-offs and such.
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Stored in my new shed. 252 bf yield. I got one 4/4 and one half inch trim cut that I edged and will make into cutting boards. The boards on top are from that ugly knotty piece.
Jeep,
You were right - the discharge warning is on the battery box on mine too but I never thought of it that way.
While I was cutting brush and trees along the edge of a field this winter I cut a number of small cherry trees. Instead of cutting them into all firewood I saved a few 5' lengths. So yesterday I sawed them into cants for table or bench legs. I sawed whatever thickness I could get from them, which turned out to be 3x3s and 4x4s.
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Then I sawed up two red oak logs that were cut off the edge of the field.
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all the best, Cutter
Quote from: Sixacresand on April 03, 2020, 08:45:42 AMMM, is your spare mounted to the mill.
John, my spare rides in the back of my pickup.
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Today was more of the same for me. Fourteen 2X10's and then 2X6's for a yield of
1348bf for today and
2600bf for the job.
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Only 5 logs left to saw tomorrow morning.
I am coming up on my 650 hour service so I have been sawing some stock just to use up the hours at home. I had a small maple tree fall on my pasture fence last Fall and I dragged it down. I bucked it into 4-8' log and sawed them today. Only 1X6 and 1X4s and the top little log I sawed into 10/4 squares for bench legs. Nothing outstanding just pretty much common lumber. Total of 99 bf for all.
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Biggest log not over about 12" and a little sweep so still nothing over 6" boards
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Just added to same pallet of maple I sawed yesterday. I had forgotten - green maple logs have a real pleasant smell. The bark was slipping but the wood was pretty soft and sawed easily.
Sawing cherry for my best customer today. Funny thing is he built the cabinets in my house 31 years ago. I've almost made that money back now.
We made over 1000 board feet today of 4/4, 5/4 and 16/4
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He does support the uneven ends of the various lengths so they stay straight when dying.
We finished my framing lumber job today. The customer decided that he wanted some 2X4's after all so that is all that we sawed today.
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We sawed 977bf of 2X4's added to the 2600bf previously sawed making 3577bf total for the job. I made a video and tried 3 times to upload it to YouTube but it failed. :-\
Ted, that is some good looking cherry.
MM, It looks like the pt is coming along. When you get back to 100% the pine trees in Mississippi might really be in trouble. That is a whack of 2x.
Thanks, and the customer was well pleased.
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Luke, on the right in this picture taken Feb. 20, 2010....
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Has done a bit of growing. :)
Wowser Ted, that is a super whack of Cherry. 8)
A keen viewer looking at the cherry up close will see around 7 or 8 layers down from the top there are a couple of layers of ash. The borers had not gotten to it and it was beautiful wood. My customer builds high end custom furniture and cabinets. He buys logs and collects 12-15 for a sawing day. We saw once or twice a month October through March. This is my second year cutting for him.
Ted,
That is a hefty load! Is that going in the back of a pickup? Does he kiln dry local?
His family owns and operates the local builder supply so he borrows a delivery truck with a Moffett forklift. He sizes his stacks to fit his racks and the racks are built to allow loading with the forklift. Think of a firewood shed with a hinged roof. He uses landscape fabric to shield the lumber from weather.
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He will air dry the lumber in racks before moving into his home built dehumidifier kiln. From there he moves his lumber into racks in his shop.
I was looking at the beginning and ending of the 3 day job that my Grandson and I just sawed.
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Beginning.
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And ending. Sometimes even I am impressed with what comes out of ugly logs. ;)
Walnut and lead. First time I've hit a bullet. Made some nice 8/4 slabs for one of my captains at the FD. He was pretty pleased to have Christmas in April. I told him we're the first people to ever see the inside of this tree.
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Brent
YouTube (https://youtu.be/dMEnFbMVKzQ)
Me milling cedar
This is about as good as I can get to centering the pith magicman
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@Kwill (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=32883) that cuts pretty smooth, nice shed as well!
Brent, we like seeing the inside as well. lots of character in that log. @DbltreeBelgians (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=21436)
Lynn looks like who ever is taking that picture is raising both shoulder pretty high! @Magicman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=10011)
Actually doc, I am within 2" of being able to reach as high with that right arm. That plus there is very little soreness during my stretching PT. Yup, I think that I am doing good and I also believe that the sawing is giving me a variety of moves that are beyond what 'normal' folks get. ;D
Oops, I think that I just admitted that I was not normal. ::)
Quote from: Magicman on April 05, 2020, 07:32:17 PMOops, I think that I just admitted that I was not normal.
Acting normal...worst 5 minutes of my life.
Quote from: Magicman on April 05, 2020, 07:32:17 PMI also believe that the sawing is giving me a variety of moves that are beyond what 'normal' folks get. ;D
I guess we will have to ask @PatD (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=18336) smiley_gorgeous about that!!! 8) 8) 8) :o :o :o ;) :) @Magicman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=10011)
Did not saw today but did get out and did my 650 hour (50 hourly) service. I'm pretty anal about doing them on schedule. Yesterday on my last couple cuts my power feed started acting up. I checked that and found a bent finger on the drum switch. Easy fix with my leatherman. I also did an alignment check and amazed myself when I found the last permanent rail had lifted over 1/4" off the base. The foot was clearing the frame by that much and you could see the mark on the paint where it had shifted. I assume the 15' X 300 bf ash I cut last week slammed it and caused it to slip. I was wondering why it had not shown up in my other cuts then I remembered everything I cut after that was 8' and did not rest on that rail. I am sure glad I caught it when I did. I am never fast on these services but they are a confidence builder to remember to methodically check all these points and be able to make very minor adjustments to bring things back into sync. While I was making this post I went and checked my total bf against my total engine hours and see I am averaging 156.36 bf/hr. Not setting the world on fire but I'm satisfied - that is engine hours BTW not total hours loading, stacking, etc when the mill is not running.
A neighbor 2 miles away called and wants me to come tomorrow to look at 30 or so poplar logs he wants sawed. The last we talked he wanted 18 12'X2"X4". I guess he got to cutting the trees and decided to cut more and build another shed/chickenhouse, etc. That all sounds good to me.
I finally got some free time combined with decent weather, so I fired up the mill yesterday afternoon and cut some yew, walnut and wild cherry into live edge slabs. The yew surprised me, the grain was pretty boring. The walnut had some nice grain, but the cherry was the most interesting. That's the first time cutting wild cherry and I think I'll try to find some to incorporate into the apartment build. I have a job milling some beams tomorrow, now that work has slowed down, maybe I'll get to be a regular on here again.
Crossroads,
Glad to hear from you.
Glad you have time to get back sawing :)
I got another call Friday morning to get a few more logs. I took my small trailer again. The loader operator is very skilled but he pushed a little too hard an bent a fender mount. No worries, I pulled the fender off and will bend the mount and reweld it and put the fender back on. The log on top is a camphor 17'. It is about all my Kubota wanted to lift today when I unloaded.
Last weekend we sawed a few longleaf logs, built five pallets and made a few more saw horses.
This morning, after sending out assignments from home I sawed a few more longleaf logs.
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Time to go haul the slabs to the burn pile (we have a burn ban now- 2.?" of rain so far this year) and saw a few more logs.
Boy- nice sticks Caveman. We moved the kiln last week, stuffed the new storage building, and broke ground on a new office space.Rain -heavy all this week.
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you have quite the operation there TPT! keep us up to date!
Sawing toothpicks this week.
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Rob, you have a lot going on. We could use a little of your rain.
I dread sawing that camphor. The smell permeates the air and is overwhelming. I planed a few wide camphor boards a few weeks ago and nearly got sick. We had some sitting on stickers taking up space for years and we took them to the local hardwood lumber distributor and they sold for good money so I guess we will try it again. I used several boards to build a manure trailer for may daughter to haul/dump hog crap with- the bugs don't seem to like it.
Tomorrow I will saw some longleaf for a shed batten and board.
Dave, what is the plan for the long log?
Part of a timber frame project.
Went to my first real sawmill job since ? Maybe July? Anyway, milled some Doug fir into some beams. The sizes were a little out of the ordinary, like 8x14x18'. All in all the day went very well and I have another happy customer. Sorry, I forgot to take any pictures 🙈
It's good to see your smiling face back, Crossroads. 8)
Timber frame is next on the list for the office. I need to do a lot of reading on the forum....... ;D We have some big twisty wood gates out to bid, and maybe a massive museum counter piece in line. Most of this year will be spent on the NNRH project in Sacramento. Endless fireplace mantles, doors, tables, desks and weirdo light bars ....There is a lot of interesting timber not going to mills right now (closed) that can be had at good prices and the vision is limitless for the possibilities to look ahead. A REALLY busy time with this crazy pandemic. Lost an order today for a truckload of walnut burl and slabs because the guy had to close his retail store, yet other folks are clamoring for wood. I wish I had a crystal ball and enough foresight to see through all the timber that needs sawing.
When I fished I liked to say never let the machinery space cool down or the hold warm warm up.Not sure how this relates to sawing ,,,,but you get the idea. :)
Some of the burned material from the town of Paradise Ca. In 2018 this town was destroyed by the "Camp Fire " which took over 85 lives and was the worst wildfire in Ca. history.We are making wall paneling from this Incense cedar.
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I watched the "This Old House" programs about the beginning of the re-build.
As a side bar, yesterday my wife signed a huge check for our yearly fire insurance on the ranch. Most company's will not insure rural Ca.anymore as a result the Camp Fire. $$$$$ Bummer....
Day after day of rain and we are completely muddied out down at the mill so we are inside ripsawing and resawing,,,,,but still sawing ;D
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My upcoming Saturday's "one log" job. :-\ Pecan. smiley_devil
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The customer said 13' long and.....
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39" on both ends, which would put it somewhere ~6,000 lbs. Bucking it to 10' would be ~5,000 lbs, and 8' a more manageable ~4,000 lbs. :o
Bucking it shorter will also get rid of all/most of that worthless top end. Marty and Luke will go with me. :)
Quote from: Magicman on April 08, 2020, 07:05:27 PMBucking it shorter will also get rid of all/most of that worthless top end.
But that is where the nice grain patterns will be!
Yes ;D.
smiley_devil
But this is Pecan and "nice grain patterns" in Pecan tend to be not so nice. That plus that knotty top end is much wider than 40" which is beyond what I can saw.. Anyway, we will decide exactly what to do when we get there and find out what the customer's cut list is.
We sawed 1x12 and 1x8 pine today and a few 2x4's to make more stacking pallets. Four of the five we built last week are loaded. We cut the camphor log in half that was mashing my trailer down for a few days and sawed it into 12" and 10" boards. It was a smelly mess. If you want the experience, just slather Vic's Vapor rub up both nostrils and smear a bit in your eyes for good measure.
We will saw the butt log tomorrow morning after bringing in a few more pine logs we have stashed.
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<br The heartwood on this camphor is cool We gave it to the guy and his wife who has been providing us with all of the pine logs. They are turning an old school bus into a camper and using a lot of wood inside.
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A former student of mine and his son stopped by yesterday afternoon around 5 to pick up his boards and battens that I sawed yesterday morning. My son and law (in the orange) works with him- they are linemen for the city. Anyway, my daughter sent me this picture yesterday evening. They had all the wood nailed on before dark.
He and my son in law have been scaled way back at work for the next six weeks. I guess Monday morning will be spent sawing out the wood to do a 14'x 36' barn addition for my daughter and her husband based on this afternoon's conversation.
Sometimes, Magicman, you gotta do what you've gotta do or there's no lumber at all.
Today was one of those hard days at the mill. Nothing significant went wrong but it was just hard to get the flow going. Emily was helping and seemed to get bruised and banged up, so we quit early. No need to push until somebody get hurt (especially her).
Sawing heavy white oak bridge decking 2x6x14, 2 x8x14 and 2x10x14.
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This is about 1/3 of the order. We will put another layer or two on this trailer and the rest will be loaded on another trailer tomorrow. The customer is only 4 or 5 miles away so the stickered lumber on the trailer won't be a big issue. The minimal stickers are because the decking will be laid Saturday and Sunday.
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Was there stress in this log? Just a little.
MM, having bent my loader arms from a too big log, and it being pecan, and it being too large a diameter, and uh, it being a very dry and hard pecan (I had to say it twice), I'd be hacking the big piece into a more bite sized little piece. If the customer wants 13 footers, I'd try to convince him he really wants something less.
I'm interested to see how you handle the monster as well as the customer. popcorn_smiley
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Back to killing my own trees again because of supply chain interuptions. Got to keep the girl fed somehow... couple of trailers a week is enough now but if I could we'd plow straight on through. Good thing about wood - it's a long shelf life product. I've never had to think of it that way before.
Been a while...doing the battles like everyone. The good news is that being "sheltered in place" keeps the sawing going. Git'n'er done!
Was really excited to saw some HUGE white pine for myself. Flooring for a future timber-frame project. The big/clear EWP logs landed too, and will get to soon. 20-25" floor boards will rock! (I think sawing nice white pine makes me as happy as sawing walnut!) ;D :o
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Some really cool....WIDE (50") Norway maple slabs. Amazing color and figure!
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Sawed some into dimensional for my own person hoard.
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How about some 40" wide quartersawn white oak? I normally saw white oak to dimensional stock (quartered) but wanted to get some slabs into the rotation. Of course, the obligatory metal in there. :( :-[ :-\
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Will post more soon! Stay safe all!
Happy sawing!
Made a good deal on all of this black walnut.
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Should keep me busy for a bit.
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There's some rot in a few of the butt logs, but most are in good shape.
Took the day yesterday and got everything anchorsealed.
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:o :o :o :o :o
Wow, where does it end?
Next gas station 127 miles.
2457 miles to Wall Drug.
PA Walnut...Really nice looking lumber.
Boonesyard... Nice score, happy sawing.
The last few days I've been sawing white pine. Last November I cut down a nice sized tree and cut it into ten 8' logs. The butt log was 22" small end and the 10th log was 7" small end. That little guy I sawed into a 4x4 and all the rest of the logs went into 1" boards.
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All in all I was very happy with those logs. I got 863bf out of the ten 8' logs all out of one tree.
All the best, Cutter
Boones,
Whoa! (Did I say, "WHOA!")
Don't forget to get your free cup of water there Dennis! Happy Birthday too!
Sawing job - mobile - 2.7 miles from home. Poplar and all 8/4. It must be a dream. Late snow delayed my start by 4 hours or so. Got there just before noon, very windy, cool, pretty level, right next to a gas well/pump station (I don't think they actually pump natural gas so that is likely a misnomer).
My up/down is extremely slow. I checked the belt, seems tight, I tightened the chain but no effect. simpleset not hitting the marks as set, I'll start another thread on all those issues. Limped along for 8 hours sawing 12' 2x6 & 2X4 and and handful of stickers for good measure. Sawed 1500+ bf in 8 hours. 5.8 engine hours so pretty steady sawing.
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12' poplar logs. 1-2 Maple, hickory and a couple of 16' locust at the back. I think we sawed all but 13 of these logs.
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8' poplar logs for tomorrow for 2X4's
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Natural gas rig next to the mill. Nice level spot to work.
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6'X10' dump trailer. Stack is at least 25" tall on left side X 5' wide before we got into the stickers and such and all 12' long. I estimate we are about half done and beautiful weather scheduled tomorrow so barring further equipment issues I expect to finish tomorrow. But what the hay - it is 2.7 miles from my front door.
Maybe inspire a bit of natural gas and rev. the engine up a bit! :) nice work!
That's a pretty sight, that trailer chuck full of fresh sawn 2xs.
Even prettier if it is nicely stickered on a pallet on 16" centers and tucked neatly under one of my air drying sheds ;D.
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We met the ugly Pecan log this morning.
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And we bucked it back to 9½'. Marty sawing and Luke wedging.
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Trimming once more before loading.
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Loaded and ready to saw.
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One more turn before the final slabbing.
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Yes, Pecan is some purdy stuff.
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Bookmatched bullet halves. ;D
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Eleven 2½" one and two live edged slabs. thumbs-up
Nice stuff guys. When not at work I've had a time to cut some stored logs, as long as I'm not teaching math to two boys. Last week I cut some silver maple. This week I cut 3 nice ash logs into some very clear 8/4. Then I cut some ugly walnut logs into mantels. I like cutting mantels. It's easy and I seem to sell them easily when I have them. Luckily for me, I have several more ugly walnut logs. All the sapwood is rotted or gone. I cut three sides and then use a drawknife to clean up the live edge. One more day at the firehouse and then I get four to social distance. I think Cindy is getting tired of having me around, because she doesn't complain when I go out to saw. My helper doesn't like to be around when I'm milling, but he really likes helping me clean up. Strange child.
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Mountain mahogany. It's very hard and dense, won't float. So hard it knocks the set out of the blade. Took two blades to saw the little bit shown here. It is kinda purdy though.
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Cookies
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A very big log for mountain mahogany
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Sneaked into Spokane this morning and slabbed up some maple. Was pretty much stretching the wide head on this one. Got hung up on the rail side, fortunately I had a half inch to spare on the outside and was able to fudge it over and finish the cut.
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Those cookies look more like wood steaks. ;D
Back to my neighbor/customer today. Got a band-aid on the lift function on the mill. SimpleSet still wonky. I sawed pretty solid for nearly 12 hours. Well, 7.7 engine hours. Still to do a final tally but likely sawed between 2,000 -2,100 bf. We completely filled the customers 6X10 dump trailer with mostly 12' 8/4. Sawed several 16' including a very contrary hickory and a couple of maples. Since my customer had grossly under-estimated lumber yield he got nearly double the number of 16' 2X4's he needed so he bucked the remaining locust to 8' and I made 2X4 and 4X4's out of them. Near sundown the customer took the trailer home to unload and I sawed several more 8' poplar into 2X4s. We had 55 more of them when it got too dark to continue. Weather permitting I will finish the last 8-9 8' poplar logs tomorrow.
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This is what was left of the big whack of logs yesterday. We sawed all them and nearly half the 8' whack in the background.
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We sawed this plus another 55 8' 2X4's that it was too dark to photograph when I finished for the day.
Howard, you did a lot of sawing - looks good. I hope your neighbor has a good supply of stickers and a flat place to stack.
Fridays sawdust
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Got some nice 1x12x8 bords
Saterdays chips
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That chipper dose a fine job
" organic pine fire wood "
Nice marketing. :D :D :D
I figured the Easter bunny likely hid his eggs in my customer's whack of remaining logs so I went up to check. Actually we had 9-8' poplar logs left to finish the order, bad weather coming in this afternoon and next several days
so we pressed on to complete the order. Sawed his logs into 2X4s and 4/4 lumber. 1248 955 bf out of the stack. 4034 bf for the last 3 days (2 -half days and one long day) of sawing. Loaded up, tallied, got paid, came home unloaded as it started sprinkling and now ready to rest and start tomorrow following up on my SimpleSet and related issues.
1248 955 bf of poplar, sawed in 3.8 engine hours - looks like 328 251 bf/hr over double much higher than my average rate.
Below are the remaining logs we sawed today.
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2 sawdust and slab piles. Actually these were the neatest slab piles I have probably ever had. I finished the long stuff yesterday and moved the mill 90 degrees to set up on the 8' stack.
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Today's sawing from above. Mostly 2X4's under there. This is a 6'X10' dump trailer and load over 26" tall and tightly packed 8' boards.
Edit: I realized my customer forgot we left 55 2X4's on the trailer last night in the dark when we finished which drove today's total and average up. I went back and corrected the math. Looking at the previous numbers I was ready to enter the next WM sawmill shootout. :D We had good logs and easy sawing but there is a huge difference between 251 bf/hr vs 328 bf.hr.
Quote from: trimguy on April 12, 2020, 01:10:42 PM
" organic pine fire wood "
Nice marketing. :D :D :D
trimguy the big city folk don't know any better :o :o
Sawed up some cedar and built this
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Raised bed garden. This is going to be my green bean bed. No more stooping to pick beans and weeds😀
Quote from: Resonator on April 11, 2020, 10:03:24 PM
Those cookies look more like wood steaks. ;D
They'd be too hard to drive. :D :D ;D
yes but high in fiber, if you cook them on the grill!!! :D :D :D digin_2 food3 food1 smiley_beertoast @Darrel (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=25121)
@Kwill (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=32883) that looks great, and i would love green beans with my steak! :) :) :)
Awful purdy to cover with dirt there Kwill, I thought for just a second it was a deluxe feed bunk.
Quote from: Nebraska on April 12, 2020, 06:25:15 PM
Awful purdy to cover with dirt there Kwill, I thought for just a second it was a deluxe feed bunk.
Guess j could make some feed bunks to😀
Hey goose63, how's that Woodland Mills chipper working out for you. This might be the next piece of equipment I'm interested in getting.
Quote from: Nebraska on April 12, 2020, 06:25:15 PM
Awful purdy to cover with dirt there Kwill, I thought for just a second it was a deluxe feed bunk.
That was my first thought, too. I was thinking how nice it would look in my pen....
@frazman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=43444) that chipper is working just great had I knowen I was going to get a biger tractor I would of got the 8 inch chipper but the 6 inch is working just fine 8)
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I have an order from a repeat customer for 50 2x6x16 oak for cow pen fence boards, I only have 2 16 ft logs right now but they`re hug, I figured I could fill most of the order with them...until I opened up the first one and found a big ole ants nest/rot hole, I ended up with 4 16 footers...it might be good for some shorter stuff.
My today's (and tomorrow's) customer's log whack grew from
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this
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to this since I had been there. ::)
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Da loader bringing up a log.
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And yup, I spotted some blue.
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Whacking out 1X4's for kitchen, etc. cabinets.
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And some ratty/knotty 2X6's. Today's tally was 2037 bf. which was not too bad.
Five logs left and two of them are 36" all to be sawn into 1X4's. :-X
Nice centering on that pith board MM--- your quite the marksman.
I did some troubleshooting/work on the mill today and noticed the customer's cut list stuck under a magnet in my control panel so for grins I brought it in and plugged it into my spreadsheet to check the bf he originally requested. Turns out his cut list was 1009 bf compared to 4,035 bf we actually cut. Almost exactly 4 times as much lumber out of his logs as he was expecting. He told me after we had sawed a while he'd cut a particular log expecting to get 6-7 2X4's out of it then was amazed that by rotating the log in different directions and such I'd get 24-25 2X4s out of it. That is rewarding - and profitable too.
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Big Red Oak logs today.
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Guess I could ask if that butt log makes my sawmill look little?
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It did make Luke look small. There were three of them; this one being 38"X40". Try that on a 4 post sawmill!! ::)
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It did take some "gun-barreling". I did not tally today but we will finish this job tomorrow.
I'll be sawing for a many times repeat bowl turner customer Thursday.
I finished sawing the Red Oak this morning.
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Purdy stuff. :)
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I only took a couple of pictures of two bookmatched 2½"X22"X9' pieces. The black is pith rot which will/can be filled with epoxy, etc.
Cedar and redwood logs today from Northern California.
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And a better shot of the long Redwood table loaded up and outbound,another happy customer !
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Hey Mr Magicman,
I sawed you were trying to upload video to youtube?
Do you have a channel? What is the channel name? Mine is Paul Case!
What I sawed today was pine and white oak barn framing. 2x6sx20 2x8x20 and 1x sheathing boards. We made over 1,700 board feet . One big green machine brought logs another took lumber away.
Today wasn't so much about what I sawed but where. This is about 6 miles from my house.
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Quote from: paul case on April 16, 2020, 10:38:50 AMDo you have a channel? What is the channel name? Mine is Paul Case!
Paul it's my name along with a few dozen more Lynn Davis'. My "L" is in a gray circle. I need to customize it but I have no idea how?
I sawed for a bowl turner today and this was probably my third time to saw for him.
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And the logs were overgrown, some rotten, and a general mess.
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My 80+ year old tractor operator and my customer sitting in the background.
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First up was this "empty" Beech log that I sawed into mirror frames.
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I sawed mostly Cherry, but then there was this one. What say you?
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OK, inside. :)
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And then there was this log?
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Inside.
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And the final tally after ~4 hours sawing.
I'm off until Monday when I will be sawing some huge ERC logs.
ain't posted pics in a while. just a few pics of this springs sawmill work.
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Edged and straight lined maybe 2000 dry pine boards, six or more at a time. Required a lot of labor. Three half days for four guys, me being the youngest. No support equipment on site. Scrap fire felt good on a cool morning. Lumber stack at end of first day photo. The stack grew to the point we had to move move mill over.
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Repeat customer (former student from 30 years ago). Poplar 4/4x11x10, cedar 3/4x8x12 and cedar 2x2x12. On the ground right behind the truck are the components for a live edge cedar dining room table.
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MM,
Honeylocust and maple.
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500' of red cedar. Customer wants all 4/4. I better get started.
Quote from: E-Tex on April 17, 2020, 01:02:57 PM
ain't posted pics in a while. just a few pics of this springs sawmill work.
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Nice pile of cedar! Reminds me that I have to cut some for a deck repair. :)
Quote from: WDH on April 18, 2020, 07:51:24 AM
MM,
Honeylocust and maple.
I actually called it Chinaberry and didn't know if the other was Maple or Black/Tupelo Gum?
The wood looked right for Honeylocust but the bark looked wrong. ??
I'm sawing plastic sewer pipe today, no knots so far,,,,, but a lot of hollow centers......
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Quote from: tule peak timber on April 19, 2020, 01:32:56 PM
I'm sawing plastic sewer pipe today, no knots so far,,,,, but a lot of hollow centers......
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Thanks for the chuckle.
GAB
Nice looking work partner
MM,
You are right about the chinaberry. I am certain about the maple.
Both had been down for a considerable length of time and the bark was falling off, so I did the best I could with the pictures. I was fairly certain about the Chinaberry, but the other was something that I very seldom see so I'll take some kind of Maple.
My customer had no idea about either, said that someone dropped them off.
QuoteToday wasn't so much about what I sawed but where. This is about 6 miles from my house.
Ted, is that the back of Pilot Mt?
When I was a teenager a forester took me to a harvest going on, he said this one is kind of special to me, this is the first time I've seen some of my trees from start to finish.
I've finally gotten that feeling this past week, just white pines but I've known them since they were pups, the better ones are 2' now and yielding 4 good 12' logs and a couple of 6x6's above that.
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This was a very ugly log .... flared butt and limbs starting on the other end. The bark was slipping so I pealed it off before I put it on the mill. It was a customers log. Nice boards on the inside and they got prettier the deeper I cut. Could I get an I'd for it please.
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Something in the hickory family?
QuoteToday wasn't so much about what I sawed but where. This is about 6 miles from my house.
Ted, is that the back of Pilot Mt?
Don, that's a portion of Cook's Wall which is part of Hanging Rock State Park. Pilot Mountain State Park is 12 or so miles west. An interesting thing about Hanging Rock, it is part of an ancient mountain range called the Sauratown Mountains. The mountain range of 5 peaks (3,200 feet above sea level) is contained completely within Stokes County. Our farm land is very much like mountain land north and west of here.
Pilot Mountain is not as old and was formed through completely different geological processes.
Ah!, I see the Sauratown range on the left side as I'm heading down 77. Dad used to take us to Hanging Rock pretty often as kids. From my very limited understanding those mountains and the Uwharries further south predate the Appalachians.
Banjo,
I first thought hickory but am leaning more to maple.
I too was wondering where Ted was sawing and if it might be Hanging Rock. I am not familiar the formations there enough to know where it may have been.
Quote from: Banjo picker on April 19, 2020, 10:55:19 PM
This was a very ugly log .... flared butt and limbs starting on the other end. The bark was slipping so I pealed it off before I put it on the mill. It was a customers log. Nice boards on the inside and they got prettier the deeper I cut. Could I get an I'd for it please.
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American Elm or Winged Elm.....?????
Edit.... here's Elm from my property in Texas:
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I sawed ERC today.
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I counted about 30 logs in three different whacks.
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My customer bringing a log to the sawmill with his Bob Cat.
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My repeat customer in the center, his son on the right and tailgunner on the left. This was an hourly rate job and the son left with the lumber before I could get a picture. ::)
I sawed half of the logs and will return to saw the remainder when he needs more lumber.
Thanks guys. It sure made some nice lumber. This customer knows how to take care of it too. He would get an A + from the sticker police. Banjo
My wife and I went back over to my customer a couple miles away. She took some pictures up there and had made some enlargements of several they liked and took them to the customer. He invited me back to see the lumber we finished cutting last week that he had just unloaded flat stacked. He had since stickered and separated by size and had done a super job IMHO. He still has to get some roofing over the top but his bases are good, his stickers in line and really neat.
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Banjo, I'm seeing elm also. Does it have an "off" odor?
Dropped this one this morning, this was the third log up, didn't seem worth sawing but looks like a cool post for something.
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looks a little like "Gumby" the old christian cartoon from our youth!
Quote from: E-Tex on April 20, 2020, 01:47:35 PM
Quote from: Banjo picker on April 19, 2020, 10:55:19 PM
This was a very ugly log .... flared butt and limbs starting on the other end. The bark was slipping so I pealed it off before I put it on the mill. It was a customers log. Nice boards on the inside and they got prettier the deeper I cut. Could I get an I'd for it please.
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American Elm or Winged Elm.....?????
Edit.... here's Elm from my property in Texas:
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Yep, I presume it's dead elm on the left and winged elm on the right. Other wise it wouldn't have taken 6 dumb bells to hold it down so you could take the picture.
Edit : Sorry for the smart remark, seriously I have no clue what it is.
SunnyHillFarm .... I did not notice any unusual smell. This tree had been cut long enough that I pulled the bark off with my hands before I put it on the mill. Don't know if that would matter. I looked in my little tree bark and the bark seems like elm. Banjo
Banjo,
My first thought was also elm. Look at end grain for latewood pores in distinct wavy bands.
Here's what we are sawing.......
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Oh, wait, you mean logs..... :o
WDH. Customer has already picked it up. Banjo
A quick morning job today. Walnut and Cedar slabs. 747s
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Then time for a little clean up!
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Nice little job but it looks like you had a tooth out of whack on that Walnut. smiley_headscratch
Quote from: E-Tex on April 23, 2020, 04:58:45 PMA quick morning job today. Walnut and Cedar slabs.
Where do you get Walnut in this part of Texas? I didn't think they were this far south.
I got a surprise yesterday. I guess it's week 10 of milling Ash. I picked up a log which I thought was rotted Ash. It was damp on the outside with bright green and yellow that I thought was some kind of mold/algae. I figured I'd sliced it just to make sure it was bad and that's when I got the surprise. It was not rotted at all. Not sure if it's box elder or red maple?
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Then of course, there was this.... Bat Board!
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I have seen some red fungal stain in maple but never that much or dense. @GeneWengert-WoodDoc (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=20498) @WDH (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=4370) .
I betting box elder from others I have seen on this forum. Awful pretty wood.
+1, good score!
Box elder, which is a type of very soft maple. In the streaks or flags in the picture, there are visible ambrosia beetle galleries, which is normal.
In box elder, the flags, turn red. In ambrosia maple, they will turn brown and gray. Same beetle, different look.
Acer negundo. The leaves remind me of a trifoliate red maple.
Quote from: YellowHammer on April 24, 2020, 03:07:26 PM
In the streaks or flags in the picture, there are visible ambrosia beetle galleries, which is normal.
Wow, good eyes! You must have a very clear monitor too to spot that. Yes there are galleries.
I saw a little ERC for Cedar chest have to build a couple of them.
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Brad I like Box Elder it is a pleasure to turn and watch the flame appear. I have had one log nothing like that one.
Not sawing but did 2 site visits. One 15 miles from home on the banks of the Greenbrier River. He needs to repostion the logs 90 degrees and weed out about half the logs which he just piled there last Fall. I will saw them when we get a dry day or two. I'll bring a helper that he will hire. His house is on pilings 8-9 feet above ground and I will back the mill under it to access this pile when re-staged
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We stopped at an overlook on WV Hwy 20 over the New River above Sandstone Falls on the way to my wife's mentee who got 2 nucs of bees today and wanted her to photograph him installing.
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On the tip of the island below in a big sycamore about 300 yards below the dark spot is an eagle nest with at least one young one in it. One adult was on the nest when we got there and left and is on the limb over the river. Hard to see with my little point and shoot. My wife had a full frame Canon camera with various lens up to a 500 mm she borrowed and tried today. I don't have any of her pix but they show a lot more detail.
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I spotted this guy on a limb. He's about 5" long. A little cool for him but pretty neat to see him
After this we went to see the bees then to another job of pines on new power line 32 miles from home. Good site but the customer needs to buck them to length then get some dry weather and I'll saw them. Likely a 2-3 day job.
Customer dropped off 24 pieces of Walnut to mill ( only 6 pieces would qualify as logs)but he'll want cookies and oddball cuts from what would have been firewood . Got about 2/3 of it cut heard a flopping noise when clutch was disengaged . Found Drive Belt starting to split . Had to remove Brake Strap and slid up down motor over a little to get belt out . Took me about 4 hours to get everything fixed and readjusted .
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Trying out 4 degree bands , they cut really nice .Didn't get many pictures of Walnut , customer was hauling away while I was fixing mill .
Just piddling so went out late morning to saw 3 short RO logs for future benches. Found the idler side roller guide loose and saw the set screw and jam nut had vibrated out so replaced that. The logs have been cut about 2 years and the sapwood is just punk but the heartwood is sound and very pretty.
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Just as finished sawing started raining so I covered everything, put the blade away and stacked the lumber. About 109 bf of 8/4 LE slabs and 10/4 square stock for bench legs. The slabs are mostly about 16" wide.
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That's about all John call haul. Any more and he'll be reporting me to PETA.
neighbor getting ditch cleaned out. the excavator ripped out some cottonwood. One had a decent 8 ft log so I took and put it on the mill. 2 5/4x10 and a 6x10 on the mill yet cuts like butter but sure is heavy.
Trapper, it won't be heavy for long, cottonwood when green can have moisture contents of 150%.
I saw a good bit of pine. It gets a lot lighter after it sits a month or so on stickers. When I saw an order of 2 x10s or 12s ... if there is an extra on or two in the log I go ahead an cut it...if there are 3 or more I usually remove the cant and wait on the next order. When I get another call for one of those dry boards .... they will be about half the weight of the other green ones I cut at that time. Banjo
Cutting wide pine and hemlock for fence boards,ground garden beds and barn floor boards.
Tried my first 1.5 x .050 band on the mill today in 8° cut fast and flat.
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I guess I fed another post to cyber space. I got out and finished the other 2 6' RO logs shown above in between rain showers this afternoon. About 188 bf of 2" LE slabs for benches. About 14-15 inches of heartwood after I wire brush the punky sapwood off. One had some wave and really hard to saw due to a couple of knots. The second sawed much better. I loaded up my truck, washed and hooked up the mill and am going to a mobile job tomorrow about 15 miles away. Tomorrow shows 20% chance of rain then 10% Tuesday and this should be a one or at most 2 day job. The next couple dry days I have another similar job 50 miles away.
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I forgot to take a picture until after I had stacked them.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on April 26, 2020, 08:30:05 PMI guess I fed another post to cyber space.
Are you using Firefox or ?? Sounds like what MS Edge will do.
I am using Google most of the time but occasionally I will leave it open and use Edge. I don't remember which I was using. I probably just forgot to hit the post button. Never overlook operator error and as a cause. ::)
That's what I figured. Edge is one backspace away from deleting your text and full of misery. :-X
Firefox or anything else will make you happy. :)
After further deliberation I realize while I use Edge I don't use it to access the FF so I am sure this was another operator error.
Finally got the mill all straightened out all 8 adjustments on guides set , stops moved in an inch , put on a new 747 and Wow its cutting better then it ever has ! Only had time to cut a few 2xs out of some erc yesterday to test .
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This was a quick little portable job this morning. Poplar and maple LE slabs for a guy in a residential area of Kernersville. Out by 7:30 and home by 10:45. My customer was referred to me by a previous customer from nearly 2 years ago.
The other good news is I used a couple of blades I set and sharpened with my new equipment. The blades cut better than new ones and considerably better than any resharpened blades I've used.
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Looking good. Y'all keep on and I'm going to end up dropping some cash on a sharpener and having to build a sharpening shack - it is a slippery slope. What's next? A slabber, 30" planer or a 20"+ jointer. This is supposed to be a hobby for us (John and me).
Caveman
I lost my sharpening friend.
I'm thinking about getting a setup
Shipping is to much
But I also will need a building.
Hey Bruno, do you have room for a sharping set-up in your Timber Frame Edger building?
Richard
No the edger fills it up
I would build one like it but more square than rectangle for a sharpening shed.
And add a little wood stove for heat.
Small Leyland cypress yard logs.
Boy - what a long day. Left the house at 0700 and got home at 2100. Picked up a helper for my customer and drove to the customer site 14.7 miles away. The site is on the banks of the Greenbrier River which was up after recent rain so when we got there we had to ford about 12" of water in a low spot.
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We drove under the house which is on pilings, I finally got the mill into position and set up for milling.
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Here is the log pile with the river and a bunch of honking Canada geese in the background. Maybe you can's see them but we heard them all day.
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Many of the logs were less than veneer quality. ::) We rolled this one right over the mill into the slab pile. I did cut up a couple of other den trees throughout the day and some punky ash and serious sweep in some logs. All was to be cut 4/4 and at least 6" wide.
The customer and his wife came by about 1600 and he immediately modified the order to include 50 - 10' 2X4s and 10- 12' 3X4s he uses for handrails. He went and bucked a downed, very hard ash into 3 logs and a crotch and we cut 2 logs for about 36 of the 2X4s and I cut the 5' crotch into 2" LE slabs and ovals for benches and the wife was thrilled at them.
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Here are some of the ash crotch. I also cut 9 - 4' 10/4 square legs for bench legs. Did I mention the wife was very happy with these.
We have assorted flat stacked lumber piles around the yard. At the end of the day my estimate is about 1639 bf. I think we cut a little over half the whack and hope to finish tomorrow.
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Here's whats left and the one in front was added today.
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We cut/salvaged a bunch of stickers for the customer to cut to length.
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3 dozen 10' 2X4's
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Small stack off a 7' and an 8' log
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10' 2X4's with defects - will cut to 6-8 ft lengths
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12' 4/4 lumber with 10 -1X12's in front
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4/4 lumber from odd size logs - most are about 11' long
Man, that's a dang good day and a bit of an adventure. Not sure I would pull my mill through a water ford, the creeks up this way are a bit cankerous and the bottoms are sketchy and uneven with pocket holes that 'just show up'. ;D
Looks to me like you put in more than a fair day's work with some plan changes along the way which are not always pleasant. Good on ya man.
been sorting through the old logs as I organize my yard. here is an old elm that had a surprise inside.
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even had fungus growing on it, was not even sure it was worth using for firewood.
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a little punky on the ends.
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looks like the tree grew around a limb that had been cut off, a little like the walnut grafts seen here in the past.
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stacked and stickered. we will see how it turns out.
here is an old log I forgot about. cut the tree down for my buddy Dallas. Milled it up, and will make charcuterie boards for Dallas and his family.
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the bark
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1 inch boards, I think it is sweet gum. but I am sure that @Southside (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=24297) will disagree.
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Interesting and nice photos 👍
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Finally taking some pictures but the old man and I were cutting up some box elder he had. Few more logs to go then back to ash and maple.
What does the lumber look like Doc? You are correct in that it actually doesn't look like gum from those photos.
Nice sawing guys!! :)
My today's sawing was SYP.
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14 beetle killed logs to be sawn into 1X12's and 2X4's.
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It's best to knock the bark off before loading the log to prevent bark buildup underneath the sawmill.
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29" butt with ½" & ¾" inner growth rings.
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One log sawed out 72, 2X4's.
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Today's yield in the center. (no tally yet) The lumber on each side is from previous sawing.
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Rain stopped us before we got the last 4 pecker poles sawed.
@Southside (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=24297) here are pics of a sanded piece for a meat and cheese board.
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I helped him cut it down with his new farm boss saw. I will ask him if he remembers the type of tree
a one minute vid on what I sawed today. A busy afternoon. Very nice day today!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH73_SzvVJg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH73_SzvVJg)
I cut the braces for the wood-mizer garage. ran out of 4x4.
cut the pine log that was already on the mill
cut two old 6x6 into 4x4. finished up the braces.
Looks like a lot of sawdust in the background of one of the pics MM. Busy day...
Yup, previously sawed lumber and added to the previous sawdust pile. I have sawed many Mbf of lumber for this customer.
I sawed all of the lumber to build the barn/shed that the lumber is stacked under. Here are a few pictures during construction. Maybe I can remember to take some more tomorrow.
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Front view.
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The loft.
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Looks very nice and great pictures
Back to same customer. Water at the ford was down a little today compared to yesterday. Finished sawing 21 or so logs. Mostly poplar, ash, a white oak, and a beech. The beech was not great lumber but had some very pretty and unique spalting. The customer came by late afternoon and took me down to his neighbor's place who has a small pile of small logs we scheduled for me to saw tomorrow. I left the mill at the customer's place tonight. Total sawing for both days was right at 3,000 bf. I did install tenons on 4 bench legs for them to make a bench out of the ash crotch slabs from yesterday. I may finish the others tomorrow before I go back.
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12' long 4/4 boards. Over 1400 bf in the tall stack. Most of the short stack is 12" wide boards.
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8 - 6-6 ft 2X4's we salvaged out of longer pieces with some defects.
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Odd size logs - I called it 10' but actually a bit more.
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6, 7 & 8 ft 4/4 including beech on right.
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How is that for spalting in the beech?
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50+ 10 & 12 ft 2X4's the customer added yesterday. Most are ash.
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10 - 3"X4" X12' for banister project. He showed me pictures of some he made like this using rebar for uprights. Pretty neat.
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Back side of the 12' 4/4 pile. A little over 4' tall and average a little over 30"
Two long days but I had a good time and the customer overpaid me and tipped my helper well. (I brought him but he hired him. $270 for 2 days pretty good for a 9th grader. He did work hard though.) Also referred me to my next job and will have me back soon it seems.
That's an interesting structure Magicman. What's the upper area to be used for?
Nice stack of lumber WV. You're staying pretty busy here lately. Looks like your customer has some sticker work in his immediate future.
yes he does. I left him a nice stack of stickers ad discussed with him today how they should be placed and such.
Just a quick question to both MM & MV. Will the lumber be used green or will it make it to the kiln ?
WV, that is an impressive two days for you and your helper. I am glad you found a young person who is not afraid of work.
Quote from: frazman on April 29, 2020, 01:44:31 AM
Just a quick question to both MM & MV. Will the lumber be used green or will it make it to the kiln ?
I did not hear the customer say. I think it was mostly just stock 4/4 lumber from a bunch of trees he had cut when clearing the lot for the house he had built there. He is a contractor/builder and has built several houses in this area. He did see me late the first day and changed the order to include the 2X4's and 3X4's and even borrowed my chainsaw to go cut a big ash he had down somewhere on the lot. He brought me the bucked logs and the crotch which we sawed on the spot. I assume he has a fairly imminent need to the special order stuff. I assume most will be used green or air dried.
Very little of the lumber that I saw ever goes to the Kiln. The great majority is stickered in barns/sheds for future use. I'll try to remember to take some pictures today which will show many stacks of stickered lumber.
It ironic that the customer that I will start sawing for tomorrow will be much different. The lumber will be used for flooring, ceilings, stairs, etc. in a new home and everything except the beams/timbers will go to the Kiln. The job that I finished this morning was 2382 bf in 1½ days sawing.
EDIT: Cloudy and too dark this morning to take additional pictures. Maybe next time.
This was a little 2 hour oak job this morning. My customer is building an atv bridge on his hunting property. This will be decking for the bridge. His grandson and he were going straight to the bridge to install the decking. If you look closely there is some sapwood and wane on a couple of boards on top. He said he wanted greatest yield possible and didn't care when I explained that the sapwood will decay first and lead to rotting the rest of the board. He calculated his yield close. We figured he will get just enough decking to cover a 21' bridge.
The blades I set and sharpened worked very well. Based on some reading here I decided to just sharpen five blades to see if I could set blades every other time. Didn't work out very well. The results were wavy cuts and hard cutting with two blades. The behavior of the blades was very similar to some blades I got from Resharp last time. I'll be setting every time from now on.
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Instead of a well deserved sleep in after two hard days my wife woke me at about 0700 to tell me we had no water. I finally got a plumber contact at 0800 when our local hardware opened and the guy answered about 0900 and got here about 1030. Turned out was just a tripped reset switch on the pressure switch. Guy was not going to charge anything but seemed happy with a $50 service fee. I was thrilled and would not have complained at double that as I was seeing a new pump and maybe a couple days without water so we both came out to the good.
I installed tenons on 14 bench legs for my last customer, mowed the grass and went to get my mill for a 5:00 pm appointment. It was not easy to dig out of all the sawdust. Then moved it half a mile. Sawed an assortment of small stuff including a couple of 6X6X8 posts and the best was a 4"X9"X 8' RO mantel with a LE front. The wife was real happy with it. I sawed some 5/4 RO LE boards and some 12/4 walnut and one WO for some honey-do projects and a bench. An incoming storm and darkness caught us and we I had to cover the mill and have about an hour left for tomorrow.
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Small assorted "logs". Definitely an hourly job due to small, short stock.
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Some 12/4 real short walnut pieces. Will be trimmed and joined and used for a bathroom sink project.
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Assortment - 3" thick LE WO on top left for a bench, a couple of 6X6 posts. a 4" RO mantel on bottom left, assorted 5/4 RO LE boards and some trim cuts off the walnut. About 2/3 to 3/4 of the stack sawed. You can see the water shining on the boards.
Oh yeah - I stopped and got groceries on the way home. Bill was $116.51. I gave the clerk $121.51 and thoroughly confused her.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on April 29, 2020, 10:45:30 PM
Bill was $116.51. I gave the clerk $121.51 and thoroughly confused her.
I love ta do dat. ;) Did she count back ta ya; 4 pennies, 2 dimes, a quarter, 4 dollar bills, 2 quarters and another penny :D :D :D
No, she kept trying to give back the dollar bill and tell me she did not need that but I told her to keep it and ring it up and see what her register said. Her co-worker finally told her "He wants a $5 bill back". She asked why I did that and I told her so I did not keep a pocket full of small bills and change.
Howard, making the customer happy by sawing usable lumber from that log whack is one of the joys of portable sawing. ;D Good job!!
My today's customer had a death in the family so we rescheduled his startup beginning Monday which gives me two unexpected day's off. Yup Grandson Luke was ready, but he can wait too. :)
Quote from: richhiway on April 28, 2020, 08:23:32 PM
a one minute vid on what I sawed today. A busy afternoon. Very nice day today!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH73_SzvVJg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH73_SzvVJg)
I cut the braces for the wood-mizer garage. ran out of 4x4.
cut the pine log that was already on the mill
cut two old 6x6 into 4x4. finished up the braces.
I liked the video, but I'm wondering what variety of coffee you're consuming and how many pots have you had?
GAB
Gerald,
If he'd had 5 minutes he could have built a whole house. Nice vid.
Okay, got up and reset the switch on the pump again. Called the plumber to get on his schedule to replace the pressure switch and hope that is all it is. Stopped at the hardware store and got one on the way to finish my job started yesterday. My wife tagged along to take pictures and meet the customer. First thing I saw was about a 4' & a 6' beech "log" about 6-8 inches in diameter added since last night. Sawed all the logs into 5/4, a 16/4 mantel, a 12/4 bench top and another 6X6 post and edged a few of the RO and Walnut boards. Just when I thought I was done the customer showed me a stand of some sort his son or wife had built by connecting 3 short 4" post nailed to a piece of plywood or paneling. They wanted me to cut the posts off level so they could put a table top on it. Clamped it, set the height and eased through and none of the screws or whatever pulled out so I created their flat mounting surface. Next came the 23" diameter poplar 3" thick cookies. Settled up, packed up and came home but confirmed the customer's wife was satisfied first and she was thrilled so another productive day.
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Total assorted stack
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Different view
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Poplar cookies.
That Sir is the way to satisfy customers. thumbs-up
you guys are making me fell lazy.
Have him check the amp draw on your pump went it starts. I was lucky a few years ago and got away with a switch but a lot of the time it is a indication the motor is going bad or there is a short in the wire.
WV, On the water pump pressure switches I have worked with it is a low water pressure cut off so that if you run out of water for instance it just shuts the pump off to save ruining a pump. You pump man should already know by looking if it is that style good luck with it Jack
Jack,
You sound like you may be talking about a low level shut off that protects the pump when the water level is too low. We used them a lot overseas where we had in-ground and above ground water storage tanks. We also had high level switches to shut off the flow when we were hooked to an external water source instead of just trucking it in.
The switch I am talking is about a 2" X 4" box with 2 settings to maintain the pressure range, typically to something like 30 to 50 lbs. When it hits the low pressure side the pump kicks in and fills/pressurizes a tank to the high limit then shuts off. This keeps the pump from having to cycle every time you get a cup of water or rinse out a coffee cup.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on May 01, 2020, 09:31:59 AMThe switch I am talking is about a 2" X 4" box with 2 settings to maintain the pressure range, typically to something like 30 to 50 lbs
Some styles of these switches also have the low pressure kick off built in, they have a lever you have to move until the pressure build up to restart them when they are activated.
More cedar
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650 feet of eastern red cedar. Cut it down today, will saw it tomorrow. Already sold. Randon width 4/4 and 2x6. A couple of the smaller 8' logs will make 6x6 for another small order.
Good score, those have very solid piths. 8)
I bought about 4000 feet of standing cedar. This is the first load I'm very pleased with the quality.
I love that cedar. Maybe I can trade you a few thousand bf of 6"-10" diameter buckeye for an equal amount of cedar. :D :D
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customer brought over a short 30" wide maple with some nice figure and burl in it.
Sliced it at heavy 2" slabs, took a good hour mostly fiddling with it getting it set and clamped up to get best results.
Asked what he owed for the task and I said I will trade my time for one of those slabs and he happily agreed which made us both happy.
Quote from: redbeard on May 03, 2020, 01:07:33 AM
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customer brought over a short 30" wide maple with some nice figure and burl in it.
Sliced it at heavy 2" slabs, took a good hour mostly fiddling with it getting it set and clamped up to get best results.
Asked what he owed for the task and I said I will trade my time for one of those slabs and he happily agreed which made us both happy.
Looks Very nice! Great trade 👍👍
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on May 02, 2020, 10:48:22 PM
I love that cedar. Maybe I can trade you a few thousand bf of 6"-10" diameter buckeye for an equal amount of cedar. :D :D
That's hilarious.🤣 But I do have some sweet gum............ 😉
Stood here for most of 11 hr yesterday. 3662 board feet mostly red oak, either live edge or edged cant sawn. Did QS one 20" x 12' log. Except for the edged boards, all using drag back with my newly added Yellowhammer fingers. Customer loved it. He said the last time he sawed it was the same amount but they did it in 3 days not one.
Used 6 blades. 7/39 055 1-1/2" 195". No waves anywhere, but it was red oak. Even though tree service logs, only one blade hit metal. One broke from fatigue. So really only 4 blades used as these events happened right after putting on the blade (go figure). I just changed blades about every 2.5 hr. Also first time I didnt use the debarker on a whole job. The arm broke a couple weeks ago and I am still waiting for a replacement.
Customer, brother, father very pleasant. My feet were sore. Need a chair. Good to be out, things have been slow.
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That tire seat does not look comfortable.
Quote from: Patrick NC on May 03, 2020, 06:57:19 AM
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on May 02, 2020, 10:48:22 PM
I love that cedar. Maybe I can trade you a few thousand bf of 6"-10" diameter buckeye for an equal amount of cedar. :D :D
That's hilarious.🤣 But I do have some sweet gum............ 😉
I grew up in N. Fla and we had plenty of sweetgum. Never sawed it on my mill but I have cut it for firewood and remember trying to split it. I think I will keep my buckeye. :D At least I can cut it for woodburning. It does clean my blades when I saw it.
Quote from: WDH on May 03, 2020, 08:11:14 AM
That tire seat does not look comfortable.
It wasn't, but at least I didn't trip over it.
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My this week's sawing will be these trees, not all of them but many.
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There are some beetle killed as well as fresh felled. The JD in the background will be our workhorse.
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We will have to salvage what we can from some of these. The cut list will be 8"X8" posts as well as 4/4 for flooring, stair treads, and ceilings. No framing lumber.
We will work through the salvage stuff first before he drops enough live trees to finish his cut list. Looks like Luke and I will be busy this week.
EDIT: The customer sent me the cut list which looks to be ~7Mbf, that is until his wife has her say so. ;D
Turned in a full day of milling mostly large western red cedar With rot in the middle. Sometimes it was a struggle to make any 1x6', but we pushed on and found a few logs that were sound. One 16 footer was good for 1x12's, but mostly cut 8-12 foot logs. All in all it was a good day. Next weekend I'll be back to cut Red for beams
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Now get up on the mill
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Its on the mill
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It will need some triming 26 wide x19 ft long
Then the boss told me put the bucket back on we are doing some spring yard cleaning ::)
Spent the weekend sawing some dead ash, sugar maple, and white oak. Made the ash into 3 pallets for the maple and oak. cut the maple into 6/4 square edge boards and 8/4 slabs and 8/4 slabs from the white oak. Turned over 90 hours on the mill since I bought it. I've officially sawed almost as much time as I have worked on this thing ::) The previous owners left it in poor shape, but it's cutting good now!
Couple of beautiful sugar maple slabs
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Maxed the mill out on these 24"-25" white oak slabs!
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And the final stack for the weekend. As you can see by the sugar maple paper weight on top, I had to grade saw the butt log because it was very hollow, but it made some perfectly clean & white 6/4 boards from the outside and slabs with nice spalting through the heart wood. Ended the weekend with approximately 1200 bf plus what I cut for the ash pallets and a very sore and sun burnt body.
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All of a sudden 3 days booked this week. Volume jobs. One is a couple dozen big untreated cedar power poles for barn siding. Electric company has replaced a lot of these in the last couple years around here. Various people are hoarding or sawing them. Be my first time cutting them.
It We Hey guys. Longtime lurker, new poster. Thanks for all the inspiration and wisdom.
My neighbor had prepared a 100yr old cypress that fell down in a storm 9years ago to be picked up by a buyer. The buyer came and passed due to the center being rot. He offered it up to me so last week I decided to have some fun and see what we could get out of it. The one request, some 2x4 and 4x6 for the owner and a round table for his Mrs. We had fun maxing out the capacity of my slabber attachment on my Peterson. Ended up with 8 3" 4.5x12' slabs and over 20 4" 5.5' rounds. There's rot. But there's also lots of beautiful wood! I do need to fumigate in my container as there were some termites (any suggestions on what to blast the container with to get rid of the bugs would be helpful). Fingers crossed the rounds stay solid.
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Some more ash milled.
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Wow Guys, today has been quite a busy day!! 8)
Grandson Luke and I started our SYP job this morning. Nothing spectacular nor exciting about sawing 9X9's and 4/4 lumber.
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SS screw about 3" deep woke us up and completely destroyed the blade.
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Probably .38 bullets. We hit 6 and there were indications in the wood that there were more.
Of course they cause no blade damage.
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We got a slow start getting everything set up but still managed ~1Mbf. Tomorrow will be more of the same.
Been a while since I posted anything had some health issues. Been playing with cherry and ash sawed my first red oak last week. Gotta build a new shelter for mill lumber took over this one
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Sawed cedar power poles yesterday. 7:40-5:00 onsite but didnt get sawing till about 8:30. 3561 board feet. Mostly 1x10's with some other widths 7-12". And 2" battens. "Logs" were 15-24" diameter and 13-18 feet long mostly 14's . The customer and his son pulled the boards off the back of the mill. I was without my debarker, getting a replacement arm today.
The poles had dirt on them and in cracks, from being stored in the barnyard. The customer started cleaning vigorously using a blower and a wire brush.
First 3 Doublehard blades 7/39 1-1/2 055 did about 500 bf each, each getting dull after about 3 poles. I was starting to use strategies to only cut into a clean face. There was no metal. But it felt slow and I was envisioning a dozen or more dull blades for the day which would threaten the rest of my week.
I felt this was the time to try the Razor-tip carbide blade Woodmizer sent me last fall.
The carbide blade cut for the rest of the day over 2000 board feet, till I stopped at 4:30. Initially the wood looked like it had been planed. But gradually the surface developed a more fuzzy appearance. Still very flat. Customer was very happy with it, the cedar is for barn siding.
I have to figure out the economics of using the carbide blades. Sure wish I had a hundred of them and that they were free. :) :)
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Good work on the transmission poles. Those are almost the perfect logs to saw except for the dryness and embedded grit. Our first paying job years ago was transmission poles. We went through nine blades in 1 1/2 days.
If you figure out where to get 100 free carbide tipped blades, let me know - I'm interested in getting in on that deal.
Very Nice Dennis! :)
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I am still sawing on my job but it's just ordinary stuff. All of the 9X9's (22) are sawn and I am now just knocking out 1X8's. I still have about 700 1X8's to go.
I had an appointment this morning so Luke and I did not get started until 11:00. I hit metal at 4:30 so rather than put a fresh blade on that late, we called it quits after working only 5 hours.
https://youtu.be/iR82hKoJzcY (https://youtu.be/iR82hKoJzcY)
Luke did ask about uncoiling and coiling blades, so today was his day to learn. I doubt that he will ever let me touch a blade again. ::)
Nice looking wood gentleman! I have a job Saturday cutting beams, saw the cut list and 12 of them are 24' long. I've only cut a few beams over 21', maybe by the time I get done with these 12, I might have an "efficient " process.
got a little done before the rain coming today.
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some mulberry. been sitting a few years and still yellow inside.
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about 10 4/4 boards 9 feet long. 8 inches wide.
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some cedar (ERC) nice solid center for boards. also did some of the 20 foot long logs into live edge 4/4 for my APP buddy from work to build raised beds.
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The view from my mill. This is what it is all about. sawing logs, CAT in the foreground. My daughter on the trampoline, and our flag in the background. good day.
Spent a couple hours on a portable job this morning cutting spalted maple 6/4 live edge one side. Several pieces were book matched for the customer. This is just one example - no water added.
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Absolutely! Nice pictures
Luke and I had a good day today sawing mostly 1X8's, but there were some 1X6's, 1X9's, 1X12's, and 1X14's which were all on the customer's cut list.
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This broken blade thought that it could escape easier folded back. ::)
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The customer felled this big old SYP that we will begin sawing Monday morning.
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A closer look. It will be a chore but the cantilever Wood-Mizer will get-r-done.
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Yup, 5 logs. Two 10's and three 12's. :o
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I'm finished with 9X9's, 1X9's, 1X12's, & 1X14's.
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A closer look at the ever mounting whack of 1X8's. The cut list is for 700 1X8's and I am now at 228.
Cut some white oak for trailer deck....full 2 x 8 s...I almost feel sorry for who ever has to install them.
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Those 14 footers on the bottom are pretty heavy. I thought I was gaining a little ground, and as I was finishing mowing around the mill a customer showed up with a trailer loaded down with some nice pine. Some of them are 18 footers. Banjo
Quote from: Magicman on May 06, 2020, 10:11:12 PM
I had an appointment this morning so Luke and I did not get started until 11:00. I hit metal at 4:30 so rather than put a fresh blade on that late, we called it quits after working only 5 hours.
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Luke did ask about uncoiling and coiling blades, so today was his day to learn. I doubt that he will ever let me touch a blade again. ::)
Tell Luke I appreciate the tutorial. Early on I gave up on coiling bands but after watching him I thought I'd give it another shot last night. Got it with no problem! I'm looking forward to having my bands take up less space.
Still need to work on the uncoiling part of it. I struggle with envisioning how it will unfold and where to grab. Guess I better watch Luke a few more times.
Alan
Thanks he caught on very quickly and as predicted, blades are his job now.
No sawing for us today. Yesterday I noticed that a hydraulic cylinder was leaking internally and gradually allowing my front toe board to slowly raise. Not good, so we took both cylinders off yesterday after work and they are being rebuilt today.
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They will be ready Monday morning. I don't know why it failed, it was only 22 years old!! :-X
I used to go from coiling bands blindfolded to chucking them across the yard in a fit of rage. I finally figured out what I was doing wrong. When you first grab the blade, do not grab it in the middle. When you grab the blade and form an oval, you should have about 60% of it away from your body. Then a quick flip and bingo, bango!
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Thanks he caught on very quickly and as predicted, blades are his job now.
No sawing for us today. Yesterday I noticed that a hydraulic cylinder was leaking internally and gradually allowing my front toe board to slowly raise. Not good, so we took both cylinders off yesterday after work and they are being rebuilt today.
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They will be ready Monday morning. I don't know why it failed, it was only 22 years old!! :-X
I had the same thing happen yesterday. Only mine leaked down. Got a board that was 5/4 on one end and about 3/4 on the other.
I haven't been sawing much at all: using the virus slowdown to do some restructuring and re-organisation of the business. I'm sick of beating myself to death sawing for the wholesale market for next to nothing.
Still selling wood to my local guys though - the advantages of having stock sawn.
Dressed a dozen or so of these exterior stairtreads down the other day... this is Red Mahogany, one of my hard, exceptionally durable eucalypt species.
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They're going to paint them. *le sigh*
Is this what I call iron bark eucalyptus here? Looking good !
Quote from: tule peak timber on May 08, 2020, 05:27:26 PM
Is this what I call iron bark eucalyptus here? Looking good !
Different species - theres a whole heap of eucalyptus species. This one is a little easier to live with: not quite as hard as ironbark but close.
I'm a bit sad about it really: the buyer asked us to DAR as a prep for paint and wood like that deserves a varnish. Red Mahogany has mostly got some fiddleback but it's uncommon to see it so consistent over a whole parcel of boards. Oh well... I get paid and we make more.
Our urban timber multi species euc is mostly junk. Sad.....I'm trying to focus on other logs that sell better using the same amount of time and real estate to stack and sticker. Personally I like beeswings/fiddleback but can't make any money with the quality of logs available. Your eucs sure look better than mine !
always nice to hear from you @tule peak timber (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=25190)
Howdy Doc ! I have been busy buying logs like this one that will be here in a week or two. Firs, oaks, redwoods and cedars in similar sizes. Stay safe 8)
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I read somewhere once that a lot of the Euc species introduced into California were not really the commercial timber ones. (There's about a thousand eucalyptus species, and maybe 50 of them are commercially well regarded for sawlog.)
It's all about fit for application. Here ironbark - and there's 4 commercial ironbarks - is mostly used for bridge timbers, ties and flooring: applications where it's strength, natural durability and hardness are a useful asset. It makes a visually ok floor... and the resistance to indentation makes it suited to commercial types of application where its under a lot of traffic. (Flooring here is usually plank on frame rather than laying on a subfloor so wear resistance is important)
The Red Mahogany is almost in the same density/hardness class though not quite so in ground durable, but Class 1 durability above ground. It also sees use for heavy framing and tie applications, not so much for flooring because although its got good wear resistance the deep wine red colour (those couple were at the pale end of the colour range) makes it too dominant in normal sized rooms and more suited to large spaces. Mostly I cut it for framing.... it's durable aplenty for joists that are weather exposed and has a lot of strength and visual appeal for long span exposed rafters etc.
I'm in a dying business that way... LVL and gluelam will eventually replace these types of hardwood: far cheaper, easier to build with, and disposable. Houses used to be built to last a lifetime (or several) now they are engineered for a service life of 50 years. After T.C. Yasi (cat 5) hit this place in 2009 I got to look at a lot of those hundred + year old houses that were destroyed. In nearly every case it was the metal components - tie bolts, nails etc that had corroded responsible for failure.... the wood itself was still perfectly fine and could have been used again had you been masochistic enough to try and drill holes in it.
Seeing as you can't get that quality of high grade steel/ thick galvanising fixings and fasteners anymore - because it's all made in China from low grade steel with cheap electroplated finishes - there is in a way even less point in building your house out of wood that durable. I give it another 15 years and my hardwood framing business will be a niche market affair: we'll run the same logs into decking and cut each others throats trying to get market share against cheap imports.
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always nice to hear from you @tule peak timber (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=25190)
He took the bait with those pictures. :D
Gotta say lot of guys on here put out a lot of nice lumber. I'm getting close to 10'000 bf. :)
Got a small bunch of white pine to board up. About 3000bf. going to saw it for half's.
That is if it ever stops snowing and raining. 4 inches of sn0w this morning, all melted now.
Leon
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Returned to last weeks job site and cut a few more red cedar 1x6's a handful of pine 1x4 and 1x6's. Then started working on the beam list. Got about half of the beam order cut out, but only 1 of the 24' 4x8's, next week I get the joy of cutting 11 more of them. Sometimes I have to wonder what I get myself into.
Quarter sawed some white some white oak on Saturday. This was my first time doing the @YellowHammer RRQS technique and I was not disappointed. boards ranging from a 4" face to 10" face width with some spectacular figure! Ended up with about 400 bf from the two logs I cut. Everything cut to 5/4 with the center slabs cut to 8/4. The sun washed out some of the figure in the pictures unfortunately. Hydraulics made the work extremely easy, just level the center to gun barrel, take a slab from the center, flip the top half to the loading arms with the two plane, then start cutting. I would guess I ended with 85-90% great figure and the rest with marginal figure. The worst figure came from the first cut after the wedge when I had a very narrow board, just like planned.
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Quote from: DWyatt on May 11, 2020, 09:21:05 AMQuarter sawed some white some white oak on Saturday. This was my first time doing the @YellowHammer (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=11488) RRQS technique and I was not disappointed. boards ranging from a 4" face to 10" face width with some spectacular figure!
I wonder if this would work with Post Oak? I have some nice sized trees and I know they are considered a "white" oak. I wonder if they would produce the same kind of figuring that your white oak does.
If you cut one near the pith, the outer edges will be an example of quartersawn. if you see figure, you will know and can proceed from there. even red oaks will have some, but I am not familiar with your oaks. @WDH (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=4370)
It works with red oaks.
Post oaks will show QS figure as well.
Quote from: DWyatt on May 11, 2020, 09:21:05 AMThis was my first time doing the @YellowHammer RRQS technique.....Hydraulics made the work extremely easy, just level the center to gun barrel, take a slab from the center, flip the top half to the loading arms with the two plane, then start cutting.
That is excellent description of the technique, it really
is that easy.
Good job on the sawing, VERY nice looking wood. Congratulations.
Post oak, chestnut oak or any of the white or red oak work well with this technique. Most post oak is very straight, so that makes the initial gun barreling easier.
Here's a little rrqs white oak sawn for me by @PA_Walnut (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=36676) . We also got some small slabs from the base of the butt log where there had been a second lead.
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I've used a version of your technique to mill vertical grain doug fir on some large logs in the past. Unfortunately , most of the oaks where I'm at look like chicken wings ,or the hind end of a dog, or something in-between---even if they are larger... :D My "gun barreling " would look like a snub nosed 38...
Getting ready for a small mobile job about 50 miles away and I did some alignment and adjustment to the mill after last weeks job so I decided to run a test log through it. I grabbed a 2 y/o RO out of a stack and pushed it over to the mill with John since it was too heavy for him to lift. A lot of flare on the butt and soft punky sapwood on the side. I had to gun barrel it a little to get it to fit. Was using a couple of old blades and they wanted to rise and left big black marks so I retired them and put a fresh young 4 degree DH blade on and that did the trick. I forgot to take a before picture so below are some after shots. Yield was 89 bf and I made two trips as not sure John could carry that much. He probably could but it was pure heartwood. 8- 1X12'sX8, a couple of 1X10s and one each 8,6 & 4 inch boards from the outer flitches. Gave Milly a bath and she is ready to go when the customer is.
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First load after about half unloaded
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Second load. You can see some pretty quartersawn fleck in the edges.
Milling cedar 10X10 timbers for my new office today. I also just finished a cool looking Monterey cypress mantle this afternoon.
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Luke and I were back to sawing SYP today. 1X8's and 9/4 single live edge slabs for kitchen counters.
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I have my followup visit with the knee surgeon tomorrow so no sawing until Wednesday. The log on the right is the log with the 40" butt. :o
Magicman, after your follow up can I have your doctor's name? I need a prescription for a sawmill upgrade/physical therapy machine!
Mr. Lynn,
If you have time, I would love for you to make a few crayon marks on the big pine log showing how you plan to break it down. I appreciate you sharing your sawing experiences.
Got some 18 footers to make full 2 x 8 s out of for tomorrow. Thank goodness for hydraulics and roller tables.
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That log is 21 inches on the little end. I have never tried but I have measured with a tape an I think I could cut 26 foot on this mill if I set the log on it perfect. Banjo
Here's some RRQS sycamore I did today. I've been sawing its since last week and am down to my last 8 or 10 sycamore logs in this batch.
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Caveman, there will not be anything special about breaking that log down. It is 33" on the top end so that will be my target. I'll saw from each side down to an 8" center cant and then saw through. The flitches will then become 1X6's & 1X8's.
The customer only has one more tree to fall and skid which will be done today. He said that it is also a ~40 inch monster but even so, he is running out of logs before he gets enough 1X8's for his flooring and ceiling. An option is to put those 9X9's back onto the sawmill and saw them into 1X8's. Sometime you gots to do what you gots to do. ::)
Cutting redwood today for of all things, a giant custom overhead light bar. Also some cedar and a pine stick came in this morning.This stick is one section of a single tree from northern Ca. that is coming in 4 loads to be weight legal. One BIG ponderosa !
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Quote from: tule peak timber on May 13, 2020, 04:07:01 PM
Cutting redwood today for of all things, a giant custom overhead light bar. Also some cedar and a pine stick came in this morning.This stick is one section of a single tree from northern Ca. that is coming in 4 loads to be weight legal. One BIG ponderosa !
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Some AWESOME pictures!!!!
I can help you out! Looks like you only want the big logs. I'll take the 30" (little) top logs off your hands. Just drop them at my place on your way down from Paradise. ;)
Quote from: ljohnsaw on May 13, 2020, 07:07:50 PM
I can help you out! Looks like you only want the big logs. I'll take the 30" (little) top logs off your hands. Just drop them at my place on your way down from Paradise. ;)
I just PM'd you . Cheers Rob
Left home at 0608 and drove 54 miles to a customer. Sawed 2111 bf of 8/4 and 4/4 Hemlock, Pine, WO, Poplar, Maple and even a cherry log in the mix. It was dark by the time we finished and tally was done by flashlight so I did not get a picture of the finished work. Customer met me at the entrance to his road and escorted me in, had 2 helpers - one HS kid and a man about our age. It was a long hard day but I made a new friend and had a good time.
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I got home about 2310. Missed the final episode of Survivor.
Rob, your Pondersosa makes my 40" stick look very small, but I did manage. I hung the 40'' outside of the Cantilever and started whittling it down.
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A few pictures Bibbying it down for Caveman.
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Slice and rotate.
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A few more turns and I will have it down to the 8" center cant.
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And then the "Accessory" breaker operated. Since the accessory lead feeds the controls to virtually everything on the sawmill, it took a bit of "Magicman" troubleshooting.
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Auto Clutch lead which is an item that actually "moves" every time that it operates. Bet that won't happen again because I rerouted and zip tied it. It was my fault because I installed the Auto Clutch. :-X
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Anyway, Luke and I still had a very productive day and stacked some additional lumber.
We will not go back to this job until probably Tuesday to allow the customer to fall and skid an additional tree. He said that it was another 40" butt. ::)
Lynn,
Good looking job making that big log fit your mill and I continue to be impressed by your troubleshooting skills. If you are ever in WV and looking for a Mentee to train I think something can be worked out.
I was too tired to provide much detail on my yesterday job. I knew I was in trouble when I sat on the porch to put on my muddy sawmill boots and found a strong smell of skunk in the air and Sampson was nowhere to be found.(No - he is smarter or more cowardly than that) then I broke a bootlace and dropped the broken end between the slats in the porch instead of just tying them back together like I planned. Grabbed my other boots and on the road.
While sawing 3 different times my drive chain (The big bicycle looking chain) came loose from the hook on the end of the mill. It was always a quick and easy fix but the second time there was almost no excess length and I had to remove the threaded end, hook it in the chain the push it through the hole and tighten it. I need to double check that and see if I am missing a link or something.
The customer had some maple I sawed into 4/4 and we made some 1X12" boards with some awful pretty figure. Unfortunately they will likely end up as a chicken house or shed siding instead of a high end piece of furniture. Things were moving too quickly with two paid helpers and the customer for me to stop and take pictures at the time.
I need to box up another box of bands and get them off to resharp to join their siblings I sent a week or so back.
Lynn, good to see you back in the saddle keeping the WM engine warm and providing ventilation to the interior of that big log 8)
Quote from: SawyerTed on May 11, 2020, 08:45:31 PM
Magicman, after your follow up can I have your doctor's name? I need a prescription for a sawmill upgrade/physical therapy machine!
Great idea! You can have insurance cover part of the cost! Wow genius!
I forgot to add this picture this morning.
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Bookmatched bullets. Funny thing was that they were in the second log and would have been ~15' from the ground. There is no idea what he was shooting at, but that is a pretty good group with a .38.
Magicman, thank for posting the pics of the big log. The reason I posed the question about how you were going to break it down the other night was I was wondering if you were going to shoot for three, eight inch wide cants out of that log.
WV, some days are just like that. I am just dumb enough to keep pushing on. Sometimes it seems like a sensible person would just go inside, turn on the T.V. and read all of the posts by one of the esteemed FF contributors on the computer.
We sawed a few small, not very good cedar logs this morning and slabbed a few larger, not very good cedar logs. We are trying to get the junk sawn, piled to burn or otherwise cleaned up. Tomorrow we will probably build another 16' drying rack or make a 12' x 8' stacking rack for dry wood inside the shop like we did last Friday.
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This one is 7' wide x 8' deep and it is about full of KD wood. We loaded the wider, center compartment with cedar slabs this morning.
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This one made some nice 1 1/2 x14 x18 foot ash plankes for this trailer
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When my stepson gets home on leave this summer he will be happy
that is a big ash log... :)
Quote from: caveman on May 14, 2020, 04:21:06 PMThe reason I posed the question about how you were going to break it down the other night was I was wondering if you were going to shoot for three, eight inch wide cants out of that log.
No way. Although it would easily square out to 24", opening the blade guides out to 24" and sawing SYP would be a recipe for disaster. The inevitable pitch buildup and the occasional 2"-3"+ knots would virtually guarantee some waves regardless of the blade used. As it was I was closely examining every pass.
One each redwood light bar. I don't think the customer has any idea of the weight of this overhead light he plans to hang from the ceiling of his living room ???...........
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maybe you can sell him on a hollow foe beam, like you do with your mantles. With a charge for all the work as well.
Bingo, probably what will happen. 8)
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A neighbor needed two 16ft long by 14"high and 51/2" wide for a building he doing. I did have anything big enough, so he cut down a tree last evening in the rain and we milled it up to day in the rain, so his guys could get it up. when he got to the building site, they had quit for the day because of rain. Some one had some sense.
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Will be sawing these beauties next week. Customer dropped them off yesterday. Not sure of his cut list yet but should be some pretty lumber. 75 rings
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Well it took a while for this guy to decide what he wanted which was ok by me. Since the 1st of the year we have been scrambling to keep up with work.
16 footers, He wanted mostly 4x8 posts with random width 2x and 1x. On the last log, he only wanted 4x8 pith centered cant and the rest 1x. I think he got tired of loading the 4x8s.
A little less than 2 hours, 200.00 and a 40.00 tip. Was a good morning
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This week has been busy sawing oak for a customer who parted ways with a different sawyer after many years. The customer was dissatisfied with the production and quality of their previous man. I was a bit concerned that he had unrealistic expectations. I'm acquainted with the other sawyer and others have described the same issues with his sawing. His heart doesn't seem to be in it anymore.
I was pleased to find my crusty customer quite reasonable in all aspects but one. He brought logs and more logs. Every time I thought I could catch up, out came more logs. Several were 28" plus SED 16' long. Big suckers! Not complaining about the work but when I looked over the job, he had about half the logs hidden. :D
We cut for nine hours Tuesday and Wednesday and I'm going back Saturday. The tally for the two days was 3,400 board feet.
Tuesday was one of those days with lots of little issues that slowed things down. My battery died, the drive belt and the feed belt decided to be loose. Had to jump start the mill twice. I hate having to tinker on the mill while a customer is watching.
Wednesday I got to the job early, installed a new battery and went over the mill. Wednesday sawing was smooth and lumber seemed to fly off the mill. It was a much better day.
The good news in all of it was there were five or six helpers all day both days. We had a lot of good fellowship as we worked. There were three young people who helped. One young lady showed enough interest that I showed her how the mill operates. She cut several boards and turned the log under close supervision of course.
Tomorrow the customer will have a new stack of logs.
I know the feeling. I have left a job in the evening thinking that I would finish the next day only to find more logs the next morning than were there at the beginning of the job. That is good but it surely will screw up a schedule. ::)
Your whack looks really good.....and heavy. :)
I thought that was normal. :D I bet over half the jobs I do the customer drags out a few more logs when he sees it looks like I may finish. Two weeks ago the customer came by with his wife, changed the order (For the better - 2X & 3X instead of 1X) and even borrowed my chainsaw to go cut 3 more logs and a 5' crotch which we sawed for the wife. Everybody won on that deal because it made her happy.
This weeks customer had a whack of logs stacked and dozens scattered around the area and every time I'd nearly finish the stack he'd jump on the tractor and drag 4-5 more over. Oh well, it beats selling lady's shoes.
We are cutting redwood and carob today. Took a break to unload a couple more pine sticks this morning.
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My rear drive chain came off my mill 3 times on my last sawing job 2 days ago so I got to checking and discovered the last time I had worked on it (I replaced the power feed shaft and sprocket) I had incorrectly installed the master link at the end of the chain to the bracket (I had not run it through the hole there for that purpose) so I talked with Dennis at Indy WM and confirmed what I had done and after I broke my $75 Leatherman pliers trying to remove the old frozen piece, I went to our local hardware and got a new $1.54 master link, cut the old one off with a grinder and replaced the link. I'll buy another for stock the next time I am there. I checked/verified the specs for the tension and the head rolls fine on it so hopefully that fixes that problem.
I sawed an 8' 2 year old RO log last week in the front lot of my place and after repairing my mill today I loaded the slabs on my FEL and took them to my pile. I remembered a couple of thin trim cuts and set them aside and took them to my RAS and sawed them into narrow strips for kindling for my wife who builds a small fire almost daily to knock the chill off in the basement where her sewing and quilting areas are set up. This should have her set for a few more weeks then she will want me to make her some more.
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The bucket is about as tightly packed as reasonably possible. I am just too good to that woman. ::)
Selling ladies shoes sounds like a job from the "hot place"! I'd rather sit in a tub full of scissors! Or saw hickory for a month! :D :D
One great outcome from the sawing this week was that blades I resharpened cut beautifully after I got the belts adjusted on my mill. Hopefully I'll remember to get photos of this weeks sawing tomorrow. Just how many more logs can the guy have, right?
Ted,
The answer to "How many logs can one guy use" is the same as the number of passengers you can put on a Haitian TapTap or an African bush taxi - "One more". :D
Now that's funny! :D :D
Ted,
But true. I worked in Cameroon and Guinea in West Africa several years and they would have 2 - 15 passenger vans used as bush taxis hit head-on on some remote highway and it would kill 75 people.
The TapTaps in Haiti were about as bad only they mostly drove around town and at slower speeds so they would just break 20-30 legs when they wrecked. Most TapTaps were a small Japanese long wheelbase P/U with about a 1' extension welded on the end, wooden benches along each side of the bed, a wider bench down the middle for back to back seating and a bed liner turned upside down used as a camper shell only attached to 15" metal stanchions bolted to the the top runners of the truck bed for extra head space and cover from the rain. They typically ran a standard route like city buses and passengers would flag them down and get on then tap on the top or side of the truck to let the driver know to stop. Typical rates were 6-9 gourds as I remember depending on the length of the route the driver ran. The back glass on the truck was removed and the passengers passed the money through the opening to the driver or his helper.
Then there were the Bentskins - motorcycle taxis in Cameroon using 50-100 cc motorbikes to carry passengers and freight. Rate was about 100-125 CFAs (About 25 cents) unless you were white and they knew they could charge more - there was always 2 rates, local and expat. I think about 4 passengers were the most I remember seeing on one of them. But I digress...
Was in several Central American countries in the mountains and have seen the vans, truck and buses packed sardines. And yes they always stop to pack one more on. "On" being the operative word.
Send that leatherman back to the company. They replace them free. I had an original that they no longer make but they replaced it with a better model.
Yes, Leatherman will replace a broken tool that's less than 20 years old for free, but I am saddened by the knowledge that they have run out of the "Original" model. They have a very similar tool that is labeled the Collector's Edition PST for $274.95!! :o
Most of the newer models are too large for my convenient carry, ::) and I always carry. ;D
I will check with them. I see it now lists for $90. I have 2. One has a mangled Phillips screwdriver now this one has a broken plier. I see their HQ is in Oregon so they are not open even if they do open on Saturdays. I think I contacted them years ago about the screwdriver and they said ship it with the original receipt which I did not keep. I think I had bought it through the MCX when I was working as a contractor in Afghanistan or Iraq. We will see what they say when I can get hold of anyone.
I didn't have a receipt, just boxed it up with a letter and sent it to them. I figured that they would just replace the broken item, but they sent me a new tool.
They will not replace the holster, hafta buy a new one so I bought 3.
Lynn,
I will try that on Monday when the PO opens. I don't have anything to lose with the pair with the broken pliers as that is the item use the most often. The case is still intact so I will keep it.
This is the first weekend in five weeks that I haven't had a portable sawing job to do so I welcomed the opportunity to do some long overdue maintenance on the mill. My son Jesse loves turning wrenches so we spent today working together adjusting, replacing, and fixing quite a list of issues. First off was removing the belt cover and adjusting belts.
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I have been wanting to check the bearing in the drive side blade wheel for some time. It seems to be ok as there was no play or movement. It spins freely and smooth however it does make a little noise when it's spinning unlike the other blade wheel bearing that I replaced earlier this year. For now I'm gonna leave it be.
Next was reinstalling the blade drive belts and tensioning per TK's specification then aligning the PTO belt pulley with the drive wheel pulley. This is probably one of the trickiest maintenance alignments to do on my mill and provides ample opportunity for a good old knuckle buster or two. Having Jesse there to loosen and tighten the engine mounting bolts from underneath saved the day and the skin on all of my knuckles too. The hydraulic pump belt was in need of being replaced and Jesse got right on it.
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We also replaced the Tiny Tach that had quit working last winter, and made some long overdue adjustments on the sliding guide arm that now slides back and forth with ease.
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Last evening I had put a caliper on the guide wheel rollers and found that the were also overdue to be replaced. They were both worn by .010 of an inch at the leading edge so I called TK and ordered a new pair. I gave Jesse the green light on taking the old guide rollers off so here he is removing the roller on the fixed side.
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The new roller guides will ship Monday morning. I will put them on Tuesday, and adjust accordingly.
One issue I noticed last week that I haven't addressed yet is a crack on the vent side of my fuel tank. From the looks of it I will either have to try some sort of JB Weld patch or replace the tank all together. I don't believe this hose connection is removable or otherwise replaceable.
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Last weeks job took me on a 165 mile trek to Waterbury Ne. On that trip Google Maps and I had a miscommunication about road types and I ended up taking gravel for the last 12 miles of the journey to the saw site. Gravel is not friendly with trailer lights so I have a few lights to get replaced this weekend as well.
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I also had a cross bar or two and some compartment dividers missing on my energy chain. Thanks to Matt at TK I had a few shipped in a couple weeks ago. I installed new replacements where those were missing today as well.
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By Tuesday I should have it all put back together and ready for the next several portable jobs. I just received several boxes of resharpened blades back from member Cutting Edge and I'm looking forward to see how it will cut again once everything is aligned and adjusted.
Didn't get a lot of sawing done last summer and most of what I did get sawn was knotty spruce, which isn't entirely rewarding. This spring I started off by sawing some questionable cedar poles, which again isn't real rewarding. This week I loaded a couple big cottonwood logs to turn into framing lumber for a small cabin/fort. Now THAT felt rewarding. A nice big pile of lumber and only took 2 blades for 500 BF of lumber. Now if it just refrains from turning into pretzels while drying.
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That whack looks mighty nice rewarding. :) 8)
@DPatton (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=33417) my yellow tube broke. I did not replace it, just a filter/plug on the tank. it pulls vapor from the tank and puts it through the combustion is my understanding. prob. a CA requirement.
Quote from: doc henderson on May 17, 2020, 07:51:08 AM
@DPatton (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=33417) my yellow tube broke. I did not replace it, just a filter/plug on the tank. it pulls vapor from the tank and puts it through the combustion is my understanding. prob. a CA requirement.
Thanks doc, I figured it was just for venting purposes. I haven't checked to see if the lid on the tank provides venting or not, but I assume it does. If not I was concerned that if I simply plug it off at the top of the tank the tank may swell up like a ballon during the heat of the day. Just like a tightly closed plastic fuel jug does. I take it you've had no such problems with yours?
mine is open. the yellow tube got old and sun baked and cracked. did not want to do the whole thread in along the energy chain thing. no issues. I have not looked at the cap to see if it is vented, but it feels like it is, i.e. multi layered. also the fuel gage I got with my second tank, allows some venting as well.
This afternoon , I had another piece of the same pine tree delivered. The biggest is yet to arrive. Commissioned two more big tables this week end. 8)
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Is it blue stained? looks solid.
Doc, yes some blue stain visible, but the logs are solid. I am well aware that some priority time will need to be blocked out for sawing of these logs soon. I need to make some bigger stickers today. Cheers !
Luke and I were like Jerry Clower this morning; "knock it out John".
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We started sawing a bit after 8:00 and finished sawing and stickering all of the customer's logs at ~11:30, sawing 1110bf of mostly 10' 1X8's.
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We will go back probably Friday after the customer gets this beetle killed and mostly bark slipped SYP tree felled, bucked, and skidded. He needs another 100 1X8's plus some more 2¼" slabs to meet his cut list. After that we will be sawing 1X6's for baseboards.
Speaking of Jerry Clower, before becoming a Comedian he was a fertilizer salesman living in Yazoo City, MS, but that was not his home. He grew up at East Fork which is East of Liberty, MS, and ~30 miles as the crow flies from where I live. He often had lunch at a buffet here in Brookhaven, so I was able to sit and listen to him telling tall tales over lunch. He was quite a character.
MM, Jerry Clower was is one of my favorite people of all time! I still listen to his "talks" from time to time thanks to utube. Very funny with very good advise and all very clean comedy. :)
Quote from: Magicman on May 18, 2020, 03:50:12 PM
Luke and I were like Jerry Clower this morning; "knock it out John".
😂😂😂😂😂used to love listening to Jerry Clower. I remember the story "knock it out John" very well as my friend Sean and I used to run coon hounds. We were never very good at it but had a lot of fun!
The last of the big pine came in just before dark tonight. 27000 pounds net weight. I spent all day making special long stickers for these big logs. One of a kind material that I feel lucky to have on board..... :)
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crazy big man! be careful!
I have been a Jerry fan for a lot of years. I would have to check, but I believe the line was "knock him out John!". But my favorite line in that story is the punch: "Well just shoot up in here amongst us, one is bound to get some relief".
Love that guy. Now I gotta go check the youtube stuff, didn't know about that. Thanks!
Rob, that log is on the top end of the bell curve!
Jerry Clower always said he liked his fans because they were "optimists" . He would have loved the Forestry Forum.
BTW, Big log on the dump truck. Looks like it had died or got blown down. Good to know there are FF members who can handle ones that size and make useful lumber out of it.
The big logs are from a ponderosa pine that was a local landmark at Lake Shasta in northern California. The tree started to die last year and was taken down to the dismay of the local population. I am committed to making it "live" on as tables and bar tops. Given the size of the logs this should be a challenge. I see this as a unique opportunity purvey one of a kind wood.Rob
maybe can market to some of the fans of the tree around the lake. have a piece of the famous tree. Best Wishes!
I can't imagine a Ponderosa pine that big, how old was it? Native tree 120 miles west of here but never recall seeing a wild one bigger than 1/3 that size... Such an impressive tree, bless you for making it live on.
Just finished sawing about 500bf of dry ash into 1x8s x8' this was for my neighbor we traded sawing for a 300 bushel load of well rotted cow manure I think he is happy and I am happy. ash makes some dandy lumber not as hard to saw as I had thought. Randy
I love it. In a good barter both parties leave happy.
I have never sawn cow manure. What blade did you use?? :o
Cooks duratooth. It came in on some pine that had been skidded 5hrough a pasture. Banjo
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ERC had been on the ground for years, sap wood gone, heart wood relatively sound. made some 4 x 6 beams to make a mail box post. forgot to get a thumbs up and pic of the wood.
The world's largest ponderosa pine is not too far from me at La Pine state park Oregon. It is over 500 years old, 162' tall and 28.9' in cercumfrence. I've seen it, it's big.
I have a pine tree on my property that is about 38" in diameter and a 100' or so tall, and it is big for me. I can't imagine some of those west coast trees...
I was working on my firewood pile last week. I saw the ugliest log covered in mud and bark half on, but it had a burl sticking out the side. I bumped it with a chainsaw, and it was still dark. not a mulberry but a walnut. only 3.5 feet long.
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had to pull it from the center of the pile with a crane on my track loader and take it up to pressure wash off the mud and loose bark.
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told you it was ugly.
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burl on the side by the clamp.
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tried to get the crotch across the blade and the burl on the side.
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actually used my loge rite to turn the log, since the log was short and fat, and was not contacted by the log turner.
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first trim cut
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eight 1.5 inch slabs
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half way through had to flip over and spin the log so the burl did not interfere with my gantry.
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put my clamp in the center and lifted, then spun a 180°, and finish sawin through
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some nice character
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glad I did not cut it into 3 firewood logs! 8)
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Here is WDH, Danny examining my Champion tree.
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This old Red Oak is only 20' 2" circumference.
Quote from: doc henderson on May 19, 2020, 10:24:39 PM
I was working on my firewood pile last week. I saw the ugliest log covered in mud and bark half on, but it had a burl sticking out the side. I bumped it with a chainsaw, and it was still dark. not a mulberry but a walnut. only 3.5 feet long.
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had to pull it from the center of the pile with a crane on my track loader and take it up to pressure wash off the mud and loose bark.
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told you it was ugly.
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tried to get the crotch across the blade and the burl on the side.
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actually used my loge rite to turn the log, since the log was short and fat, and was not contacted by the log turner.
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first trim cut
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eight 1.5 inch slabs
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half way through had to flip over and spin the log so the burl did not interfere with my gantry.
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put my clamp in the center and lifted, then spun a 180°, and finish sawin through
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some nice character
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glad I did not cut it into 3 firewood logs! 8)
That's awesome Doc 👍 I love it! One man's junk is another man's treasure!!!
Doc, that is a swoosh, not a bump.
Darrel, that is a bit over 9' in diameter. For reference, MM's cherrybark oak is 6.5' in diameter. Both trees are magnificent.
@WDH (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=4370), looks like a trimmed branch that got grown over vs some injury with chaotic grain patterns. so would you not call it a burl? thanks!
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doc, I have seen that same funky/curly figure in Walnut. Good stuff. 8)
That looks amazing MM. I was seconds from destroying/making firewood last week. just had time to saw it yesterday given that it needed a wash job first. will need a touch of epoxy, but should make a few people very happy. we will see how it dries.
Pretty stuff Doc.
In my rotten market I might be able to get 30 or 35 bucks for those slabs
I got to see MM's champion tree on the Chicken Crispin Tour a few years ago.
Good eye on that Doc! If I ever do get my hands on Walnut, it will all get sawed, its rare enough around here. Man I wish we lived closer. You are going to have some mighty nice tables or whatever's out of those. 8)
I regret that personal family issues have prevented us from hosting a Chickin' Crispin' in recent years. :-\ Maybe/hopefully in the future.
Doc, I was referring to the cut on the end of the log to check for species. It was more of a swoosh rather than a "bump" with the chainsaw. However, I might need to come up with a different term as I am not a NIKE fan.
the wood was still over 32% MC, so with the grain and crotch wood, we will see if it splits and warps too much. My currency is "love and appreciation" (hobby guy) for what it is, so I will distribute these based on "who can afford it". :) OG If you are ever in the area, let me know.
Doc, I may move near you ! Very nice of you to help out others. 8)
Ohhh! OK. I thought maybe I had over used the term burl. always willing to listen and learn @WDH (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=4370). yes I waded into the large limb and log pile to cut up most of the logs to go on the splitter. it was a wholesale reduction in stuff so I could get my sidewalks done and grade my area to drain. so the shape is from a bar tip as that was the spot I was in. I see it now! I have been amazed with how superficial the dark brown color is on Mulberry, and how bright yellow the wood remains. nice surprise. My wife is a runner and we have gotten rid of much Nike apparel.
Tule you would be more than welcome.!
MM if grits are involved, I would be there. I am sure there are tricks to make them taste good! :)
Danny if I really anticipated it was walnut, I might have made a smaller "bump"! :D
Finally sawing some hard maple logs. One's painted red are a yr old, trying to spalt them.
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Sawing cants to get them off the mill to tear it down and replace the footings and a new floor.
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Pict of the off bearing side of mill.
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doc 4th picture looks like you pickin your nose
prob. was, that is what my wife thinks I do on my days off. There is one with me picking at my bum, but removed by admin. :D :D :D just kidding!
A couple loads of nice claro walnut coming in this morning. Just the way I like to start my day 8)
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I spent the day in the shop doing different sawing.
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Is that a Mafell bandsaw? Those things are real awesome! Pretty nice loads of logs too!
Quote from: JRWoodchuck on May 20, 2020, 11:30:20 PM
Is that a Mafell bandsaw? Those things are real awesome! Pretty nice loads of logs too!
Yes , I just got it to help with a job I'm doing. Expensive but does the trick ! Right now I have a lot of timber coming in---make hay while the sun shines, so to speak ;D
Load of hemlock coming in from a new connection.
Sawing it up for retail sales.
Going to buy a load of red pine next.
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Glad you got some help and the equipment, Bruno. A lot of wood.
I'm getting in some nice logs butternut, ash,oak and I can't wait for the black locust logs.
Gots lots of sawing to do.
Mixed load... pine and hardwood
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Those in the middle are more of the cut to length....14 feet and 1/4 of an inch. I get $3.00 for cut to length 2 x8s.....May not seem like much, but I remember working for a dollar a day when I was a kid.....so 3 bucks for about two minutes work seems ok to me. After I installed a radial arm saw in my roller tables it's no big deal. 6 x 10s on top....got them out of two logs.
Cool, pre-quarter sawn logs.
Just got word from my helper tonight.
That after tomorrow he's getting done for a week.
He's to tired.
I'm making him work to hard.
Couldn't happen at a worst time.
Sawing some white pine for the guy next door.
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Two 15 min videos below if they post.
milling pine 1 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1uB3mvRCx8)
milling pine #2 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv80yukdDwk)
Leon
You will notice the saw starting to make a noise and bog down at the end of the last video.
A guide bearing went out.
Leon
Sunday cedars. These logs are for my post and beam office build. Beautiful material from Northern California.
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Rob, with the logs you have gotten in recently, you and your guys are going to be busy. I look forward to pictures of the big pine and walnut.
Rob I don't think you accept anything unless it's BIG 😂. I like the pictures and look forward to seeing some of it when you get it cut up. I would love to have some big cedar like that.
Rob,
Very nice cedar
It was a very full day of sawing red maple. 675 bd ft with myself as the one man crew. I have been having issues with my mill related to the drive belt slipping even when tensioned to spec. So the first 2 hours I messed with that and other misc maintenance and got it cutting fantastic. All it took was a half a turn on the turnbuckle and it was running perfect and didn't slip a bit. Only used 1 of the woodmizer 1.25" 0.45 747 blades for all that footage which I was very impressed for the first test with them.
Forgot to get a picture of the final stack, but here's a few pictures of some of the beautiful material these logs gave up. I'll be back sawing up a couple ash logs tomorrow for stickers and pallet material. I'm whooped today, my body isn't used to 85° and sunny yet.
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I have been making bluebird nest boxes and ran out of 1X12s for the tops so I checked my log pile and found on old 12' ash log. It had broken 2' from the end so I trimmed to 10' and put it on the mill. I got 8-1X12's and a couple of 1X8s of of it. It was badly spalted and borderline punky in spots. It would not work for lots of applications but it will work fine for birdbox covers and the spalt adds character to the project. I will finish the 2 topless boxes I have and make some more this week. I put up 3 a week or so and one about 30 yards from my porch has already been taken over and I saw one about 6' from another perched on my tomato stake nearby. I forgot to take my camera so no pix this time.
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Well, I think I can finally post here, nothing special but got a bunch of 1x12s and some other random sizes for the raised boxes in the new greenhouse, that is not done ;D way too windy today. I didn't get any pics of the boards just the final product.
Nice set up with your mill foundation and log deck. That is the way to do it.
Yes that is a great lookin foundation i just recently built a more solid foundation for my mill after having it for 4 years so props on that 8)
Thanks guys, they're 8x10x21 my cousin milled up for me on railway ties, after all the reading it seemed a good foundation was key for these mills and I'm glad I did, had a 22" pine on it this am and it's solid. And one of the first things I did was build the log deck, sure saves time over grabbing one at a time with my not so nimble 310 :D
I smiled when I saw that 2nd pic, I had a Woodland Mills HM 126, and a 1980 310A. (I sold the backhoe to fund my Wood-Mizer purchase.) I miss the backhoe for digging, but I don't miss it's insatiable appetite for starters, ether, and hydraulic fluid. ;D
Quote from: Resonator on May 25, 2020, 12:56:38 PM
I smiled when I saw that 2nd pic, I had a Woodland Mills HM 126, and a 1980 310A. (I sold the backhoe to fund my Wood-Mizer purchase.) I miss the backhoe for digging, but I don't miss it's insatiable appetite for starters, ether, and hydraulic fluid. ;D
Yup, likes fresh hydro fluid :D needs a reverser, if anyone asks me about it, I'll say it's really good, but not "really"good at anything ;D but I'll tell ya, better than nothing!
Final tally for the weekend, 675 bf red maple that I posted about yesterday. And probably 250 bf of ash that got made into stickers. I didn't get a picture of the unbelievable massive amount of sticks that the ash made, but it was a lot. Got the maple stacked on the pallets and then spent 3 hours scooping sawdust, blowing off my parent's driveway, and cutting a truckload of slabs. Got near 90° today in full sun and on blacktop. I am fried even with 5 applications of sunscreen and completely exhausted. Sawing alone is overrated, I need to get Dad to spend more nice weekends not at the lake house :D
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Nice looking lift. And yes sawing is a LOT of work all totaled up, but very satisfying. A great way to spend your time and invest in your future. cheers !
I got a call last week asking will cut short stuff sure can bring it over
Russian Olive
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That stuff sure is perdy the guy told me no one would even talk to him when thy heard short logs I told him happy people come back to me.
Well he left DanG HAPPY HE GAVE ME $ 100 asked is that enough that more than enough.
All in all it was a good week end sold 3 loads of organick camp fire wood made $ 450 the lake people have to much money
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Nice looking lift. And yes sawing is a LOT of work all totaled up, but very satisfying. A great way to spend your time and invest in your future. cheers !
I wouldn't trade it for the world. So satisfying being the person who is allowed to open up those logs to reveal the beauty inside.
Last Thursday, I brought the mill back from the dealership in Maine.
The told me that the valve cover had a crack in it and it would leak oil.
So don't run it full time. They replaced the cracked cover. It arrive here on Tuesday, and I put it on right away.
Today, I had my first job scheduled to resaw some wide pine planks from a barn into whatever I could get out of them. But basically in half.
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some of them were wide like this and some were narrower.
50 minutes into the job, with two pieces left to cut, the drive belt (brand new one) fell off the drive pulley.
I had to take the cover off and put it back on.
I am assuming that the "new" brake strap they installed has slipped and allowed the tenon on the belt to be less that prefect. I say that because when I clutched down the blade would spin a while; not stop quickly like it should.
Customer was happy and gave me a tip.
Jim Rogers
Grandson, Luke and I will finally be back to sawing Monday morning. Our last sawing was: Whatcha Sawin' 2020 ?? in Sawmills and Milling (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=108941.msg1732762#msg1732762) when we finished up all of the customers "skidded" logs. We then began waiting for the customer to fall and skid the beetle killed SYP seen in that reply but it has rained every day since then. Finally the customer called this afternoon and reported that he had the logs staged and ready for sawing.
Our first order of business will be to complete his cut list of 1X8's, and then some 2¼X wide slabs for counter tops. After that it will be 1X6's for baseboards. ;D
Sawed some of the cedar and this afternoon started slapping it up. 95 in the shade, in the sun we felt like bacon....
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Long story. I built a rabbit hutch and Lindy posted pics on facebook. One of her freinds asked how much for me to build one for them. Not really wanting to do it I quoted $450. She wants two of them. :D.
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This is the one I built for us. Got started on the ones for the lady today but didn't have enough oak lumber of the right dimensions on hand or enough cedar for the legs. While cutting down a cedar to make the legs I spotted this standing dead oak close by. I figured it was trash but when I made a bore cut it was solid through. Looked pretty rough but managed to get 106 BF of 5/4" x 8" x 16' out of it.
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You've gotta love it when you give them a "I really don't wanna do it" price and they bite on it x 2! I hope that happens to me some day. :)
From the picture evidence presented, I would have called Black Locust. You said Oak, so it must be Post Oak.
OG,
There may be even more in the long run. She has friends that may want some too. She also wants a chicken tractor and a barn. This is all good. It's a break in scenery from building the same stuff on the neighbors farm.
MM,
It was oak. I didn't take any pics of the ray fleck. I'm not sure if we even have black locust around here.
I was only looking at the color and the misery that it gave your blade. I was/am satisfied that it is Post Oak.
@LeeB (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=46),
Good looking rabbit hutches. One suggestion I'd add would be to add some 1X4s around the perimeter of all 4 legs about 6" from the ground with cross pieces to hold a shallow, removable tray to catch the droppings (I assume the bottom is 1/2" hardware cloth) and see about raising worms for fish bait. That has been a common practice with other rabbit raisers I have known.
Remember - free advice is worth what you paid for it. :D :D
Good luck.
Pushed over a large dead maple, to my delight she was still very solid and showing some real nice spalt lines. Will be interesting to open her up, I sawed the very top piece of the log to see what was in it and was not disappointing. Going to have to split it with the chainsaw first to fit it on the mill. Almost too heavy for the mini to pick. Im thinking about making a nice out door table by the horseshoe pit out of the stump. Threw a couple of nice clean wide ash boards in as well.
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Red Oak.
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A repeat customer brought me a couple crooked Red Oak logs to saw into slabs, loaded with medullary rays.
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Also got a couple crotch figure slabs, though the gnarly grain 24" wide cut maxed out the mill.
I had the designers and contractors over this morning for a walk through on a 5X42 foot walnut countertop we are just starting to build for the Mingei Museum in San Diego. This will all be stitched together into one piece in my secondary shop and shipped completely finished ready to install by the end of summer. :)
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Cut 104 of these 12 foot 1 x 10s.
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Very nice material, which should make some cabinet guy happy. 8)
Very nice Tim. I will be back to sawing SYP 1X8's for flooring Monday. 8)
The folks that had that sawed, sell crafts at different venues. Really don't know what they will do with it. He usually orders 1 x 10s. Tim
Siding siding and more siding. Two days worth of 5/8x6 and 5/8 mountain siding. We got through 2/3rds of his logs. He'll be having me back once he gets paid again.
When we finished we had over 2,000 board feet! I used my hourly rate and came home happy!
I liked the one photo so much you will have to see it twice!
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What is mountain siding? Is that one live edge? Never heard that term before. Looks good.
Well I guess I get my shot at a real contribution to this topic. Quite the day today.
To all of our Wood-Mizer friends. Those of you that build them sell them and run them. Our Hearts are heavy today with the loss of founder Don Laskowski. I found out this morning as Tammy and I worked to load and saw the largest log we had ever sawn on the old foodmizer - slushmizer, that he passed away last night. Our wood-mizer lt30 is one of the very early sawmills. It was built in 1986.
Without what Don Laskowski built and the early help from Wood-Mizer, we would never have been able to build and grow the Forestry Forum. Thank you Don and prayers for our entire Wood-Mizer family of friends.
Loading a 30" White Spruce - YouTube (https://youtu.be/znDSGjKIzMk)
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Those beams are 6 by 14 by 16' they will be resized as needed for the pavilion project we are working on. Tammy and I want to dedicate the Pavilion to Don.
looks like fun. on the industrial size. glad your mule winch could handle it.
That's a nice spruce log !
I like sawing spruce.
Just a one log day, but by the time I got things stowed and cleaned up for the day, I'm bushed!
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That big ole log turned like magic. I mean, it was like magic I could turn it at all. That was a bruiser for a fully manual mill.
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Quote from: WV Sawmiller on May 30, 2020, 03:40:03 PM
What is mountain siding? Is that one live edge? Never heard that term before. Looks good.
Yep live edge one side. Apparently mountain siding is a regional term from the Boone NC area.
After my updates on the mill, i'm back to sawing teak
https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=109583.msg1735153#msg1735153 (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=109583.msg1735153#msg1735153)
A deck i sold 1.25x6" planned on 2 sides, 1250$
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From green to 14.5% in 1.5-2month, (just in the dry season)
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Storage is pretty full right now
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A small teak wall i did for a friends bar (he paid me in beers(https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)), finished with two coats of linseed oil
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From the plantation to the finished product! Nice 15years old tree
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That's what I call growing if that's only 15 years old. Tim
Those are the neatest stacks of lumber I have ever seen.
(https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif), thanks. Yeah, maybe i'm little too much of a perfectionist in these things but i like to have order. it also impresses the buyers.
Quote from: Jeff on May 30, 2020, 09:35:29 PM
Just a one log day, but by the time I got things stowed and cleaned up for the day, I'm bushed!
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That big ole log turned like magic. I mean, it was like magic I could turn it at all. That was a bruiser for a fully manual mill.
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Nice! I agree with that being a bruiser for a manual mill....I won't cut anything bigger than 28" anymore on my 1984 LT 30. Too hard my 58yr old body...Next year I might drop down to 26" :D
100 year old black walnut log. The city cut it down and it was too big to chip, so I slabbed it before they could come back with a bigger truck! ;-)
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Should be some nice slabs once they are dried and planed.
Cheers Peter.
Opening day and we fried the drive belts in the first 4 feet of cut.Monday - it never fails..... !
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After two weeks of not sawing because of rain, Luke and fell back into sawing again this morning. Three big SYP logs scattered sorta haphazard at the sawmill.
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Haphazard plus that butt log that Luke is standing beside is 34".
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So it was "Magic Hook" to the rescue.
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Not only did it turn the logs, it also rolled them to the sawmill loader.
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And quite nicely I might add.
And then something happened that in over 18 years of sawing, had never happened before. Lumber stacked and tallied, called the customer's wife (prearranged) to inform her that we had finished so that she could bring the check, and sawmill folded and hooked to the truck.
Nothing left to do but get paid and leave when Luke said "here comes another log". Another log?? :o
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Yup, the customer's FIL inbound with another log. The good thing was that I had met the customer's cut list so this log went to the burn pile. ::)
We sawed 885bf in 5 hours and finished this job. Total for the job was 6965bf.
Tomorrow's customer has seven 20' logs and he said that the largest was 40" butt. Now I can saw a 20' log and I can saw a 40" log, but I ain't sawing a 20' X 40" log. That would be ~7500 lbs. :o
Well I forgot to take my camera so no pictures so maybe it didn't happen and I just imagined it. :D Actually I had not planned on sawing a log but I promised a guy at the flea market yesterday to make him 2 small (24" long) Red Oak benches. Actually he wants to use them as side tables by his chair and I agreed to make them 20" tall instead of 17" as normal. He also wants Lichtenburg engraving so I will have to get another guy to do that for me. I did not take a deposit but if he doesn't buy them I will cut them back to 17" and double the price as I probably underbid the job anyway.
I bucked an 18' RO log to 8 & 10 ft and took the 8' log to the mill. The logs have been cut 2 years so the sap wood is pure punk but the heart is beautiful and solid. I cut them into 9/4 blanks and will get 4 legs out of each. Basically it is just like cutting oversized stickers. I cut 24 "stickers" in about 18 minutes (.3 hours) on the mill and that should yield about 96 bench legs or 24 benches. I may try some 3 legged stools with 8/4 cookies.
Dug this bur oak out the creek today. It washed out and just slid from the top of the bank into the creek. It was a tug of war the whole way out! Main trunk was over 48" almost the whole 15' length to where it splits. Not sure what it weighed but it was picking up the back end of my loader when I was digging it out. 661 w 36" bar for size. There's some dry rot on the butt. Not sure how deep it goes. Hoping to make some nice slabs out of it.
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A 20 incher but I thought the crotch interesting on this one.
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I might keep one of the slabs and turn a platter out of the crotch. I got the fans going on it to try and keep the sapwood as white as possible.
Next up was this nasty. I'm slabbing it and was given specific instructions to only trim enough to get the saw through the mess. Artists...........
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Quote from: Larry on June 01, 2020, 10:41:40 PMNext up was this nasty. I'm slabbing it and was given specific instructions to only trim enough to get the saw through the mess. Artists...........
Don't forget to center the pith!:D
Larry, that last log will give me nightmares.
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Quote from: Larry on June 01, 2020, 10:41:40 PMNext up was this nasty. I'm slabbing it and was given specific instructions to only trim enough to get the saw through the mess. Artists...........
Don't forget to center the pith!:D
Yeah and saw parallel to the heart check and account for the sweep. ::) ::) :D :D :D
Quote from: tule peak timber on May 18, 2020, 10:54:46 PM
The last of the big pine came in just before dark tonight. 27000 pounds net weight. I spent all day making special long stickers for these big logs. One of a kind material that I feel lucky to have on board..... :)
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i cant believe the size of that pine tree. You said those are Ponderosa? i dont think SYP or longleaf we have here get anywhere near that..
@Magicman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=10011) @Tam-i-am (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=1461) will the magic log hook be available from log-rite any time soon?! :D :D 8) 8)
They are already available doc: Replacement Hooks (https://logrite.com/Category/Replacement-Parts)
I declined to saw the seven log job that was intended for today.
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Simply put, his logs were not quality enough to make his cut list. He had two logs that would saw 2X8's and 2X12's but not the quantity that he wanted. The simple/wise thing for me to do was to decline before I spent time sawing poor quality framing lumber.
So Luke and I moved on to the next job.
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~15 logs here and the customer will haul more this afternoon and tomorrow.
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That plus we are set up in a shady location. The customer will skidsteer the logs to the sawmill. :)
Quote from: doc henderson on June 02, 2020, 01:48:52 PM
@Magicman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=10011) @Tam-i-am (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=1461) will the magic log hook be available from log-rite any time soon?! :D :D 8) 8)
Are you looking for just the hook? If so Magicman is correct we sell our hooks without handles which many people use for this purpose. Are you looking for us to attach the hook to a length of chain?
If so I would need more specifics. I have a great chain supplier so that would not be a problem.
Larry:
If you can I am curious as to what this customer of yours has in mind.
Yes I would like to see pictures of what he does with it.
TIA,
GAB
I have been flat out pine,hemlock,cherry,butternut and black locust.
I'm starting to get the black locust I bought coming in.
Have orders already for porch and deck boards.
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thanks Tami. i am curious what size he uses. I will look at your website. thanks!
doc, mine are made from the remains of broken logging tongs and bigger is better.
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The small one is 11" long and the large is 15".
I responded to an ad last night for free walnut wood. There was a picture with most of it cut into firewood, but there were still trunks standing. That's what I was interested in. I went over last night with a small trailer to pick up some of the firewood for my parents and look at the trunks. When I started loading firewood I noticed there was a some small walnut, but the larger stuff was red elm. Went this morning to cut down the trunks and load them. I hadn't looked closely at the trunks last night, but had a feeling they were elm. Well, they were elm. Still will make some pretty lumber, but not what I was dreaming of. I told the guy they were not walnut. He said his brother in law that helped him cut the trees down told him they were male walnut trees and that's why they didn't produce walnuts. He had worked for a tree service at one time. I guess someone else that had worked for the tree service gave him a bad lesson in walnut trees.
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I built my MagicHook using a cheap flea market cant hook, took the hook off, connected it to a 1/4" X 3' long chain with a shackle and put chain hook on the other end with a cold shut. I take a couple of extra 6' X 1/4 chains with hooks on each end and connect and adjust as necessary. No doubt the LogRite hook would do a better job as it is stronger and sharper than the one I use.
FF Elm is actually beautiful, not Walnut, but very exotic.
MM do you find the Left sided ones or the right sided ones work better? :D
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all the above is Elm.
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Quote from: doc henderson on June 02, 2020, 05:26:30 PM
thanks Tami. i am curious what size he uses. I will look at your website. thanks!
Doc
Magicman posted some good pics in reply# 15 here https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=110640.0
Andries has some good pics in his gallery in the section labeled Equipment. "Logrite Megahook only on chain" and "Megahook & Chain" He uses the biggest hook what we just call #3. Norwood uses our #1 hook to make a log turner on their smaller mills. Kevin thinks #2 hook would be the way to go.
Hope this helps.
Doc, the elm looks great. I've never used it, but a friend has and he made some really nice projects with it. He used a certain color of stain that I don't remember, but it really made the elm pop.
my friends project I do not know, but I rarely use stain on anything. just the darkening and amber tint of the poly or oil.
Luke and I arrived at our sawing location this morning to find this....
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The customer hauling the logs and staging them at the sawmill.
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And then he had to go and get a replacement pallet fork. It popped like a pistol going off. :o
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Mostly 4/4 X various widths, plus a few 2X6's and some cull 2x4's. No tally because we were stopped by rain.
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Seven SYP and four Tulip Poplar logs for tomorrow, plus the customer will bring up a ~26" Cypress. The Cypress cut list is for eight 4X12's plus whatever else.?? I love to saw Cypress but the sticky sawdust clogs the sawdust chute.
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Magicman, you're 76 and still working full?? Respect! I'm half your age and don't know if i could work another 38 years(https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Did the biggest log of teak i ever cut. Remember it's from my own plantations which i planted in 2005 and it's a thinning, so the best trees are still standing.
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2,5m (8') 37cm diam (15")
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Perfect log, no defects, no tensions
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gave me 15 boards for decks, 1.125x5", at 11$ per board =161$
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Thank You. Yes I am still full part time sawing. I said it that way because I really don't and never have considered myself as full time. I probably average 2-3 full days of sawing each week and knock out 100Mbf+ each year. Not bad. My Son Marty, was downsized/retired this past month and it has always been the plan for him and his (2) sons to take over the sawmilling business. I had knee replacement surgery in November and shoulder reconstruction in February so the "takeover" process has already begun, but as long as I can put one foot in front of the other, the sawmill ain't sawing without me being there. Yesterday I said that there were 21 names on my sawing list, but today there are 22. Guy saw me sawing and stopped.
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Magicman, you're 76 and still working full?? Respect! I'm half your age and don't know if i could work another 38 years(https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Teakwood, it's not the years, it's the miles. :D But MM has both.
That is some mighty pretty teak you have there!
MM I have never ever seen, or heard of a fork breaking like that. Holy Fat Cow! There is a manufacturing problem there, likely in the material itself. I have seen them bend many times, beat up and even twisted, but never broken, and in that spot too! The owner should pursue that with the mfg co.. That could have killed somebody.
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Quote from: Magicman on June 03, 2020, 06:06:01 PMLuke and & I arrived at our sawing location this morning
Magicman, you're 76 and still working full?? Respect! I'm half your age and don't know if i could work another 38 years(https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
All you have to do is throw away the "off" switch. Although I am 8 years younger the MM, I am working sometimes 7 days a week. I am sure he grew up with someone in his life demonstrating a work ethic that he embraced. That's how it happened for me.
There was an older slight (dark) crack line but today's break is clearly seen. The log that was on the forks was only ~16". Maybe he had really stressed it with several logs before we got there and the last single log was the last straw.
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Here is a set of badly bent forks. One up and the other down rendering them completely unusable, but they did not break.
That broken fork is scary. I can imagine the sound it made.
12' white pine log 44" on the butt and 34" on the small end.
It's a customers log he wants 22" wide boards out of it.
Sawed hemlock framing lumber and black locust today too.
I getting lots of orders for the black locust.
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Mine and Luke's today went very well. First we finished sawing the SYP before moving on to Tulip Poplar.
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Five very good and one kinda small.
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Three 9/4 X 20".
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A shadowy picture of 1947bf of various lumber dimensions sawn in 14 hours. I'm glad that I won't have to sticker this.
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We will begin tomorrow morning with these 5 Cherry logs before moving on to ERC and then to Cypress. Do I see mud on the skidsteer?
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Yup, I do see mud on the skidsteer. This was taken just as he was finally getting out.
I love starting sawing jobs but I really love finishing them. Luke and I cranked up sawing Cherry this morning.
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And found these two sets of bookmatched bad boys inside of one log.
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The Cherry lumber. The blue painted end board has an embedded bullet.
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While we were sawing Cherry the customer was selecting a Cypress tree.
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The Cypress logs plus some ERC that sneaked in. The second ERC logs looks "empty" and was.
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The Cypress. 3X3¾'s on the left and 3X12's on the right. The rest are 1½X3¾. A few were 8' but most were 12'. We finished the job with 2996bf sawed in 22 hours.
Lynn,
Pretty wood and I know sawing w/Luke is a real joy. When you say 22 hours is that engine hours on the mill or total hours? If total hours have you ever done a comparison w/engine hours to see how much time you were physically sawing? I find in a long hard 12 total day I am hard pressed to actually rub 8 engine hours. I typically shut my mill off to load a log and such unless my helper has already loaded it on the arms. You have a lot better and more experienced helper than I do do you probably run a lot more than I can.
That was the total hours that we were on the job site. I have never done any comparison or kept up with actual sawing time, but just guessing I would think that it would be somewhere between 50% and 75%. If I see that I will have log handling time I will shut the engine off, but otherwise she runs. We walked down the hill to take the picture of the customer with the Cypress tree and when we got back to the sawmill I noticed that I had left it running. ::)
We have a Hurricane that will move through this weekend and early next week so I have no sawing planned until Friday. It's a 117 mile (one way) road trip so I will use the down time to be sure that everything is "ship shape".
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This one has been waiting since September. Three 14' Red Oak logs and the butt log is 36".
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The top log is nothing to brag about and the first order of business will be to chainsaw that knot off. As you can see they are strung out so I may have to move and set the sawmill up after each log is sawn. We plan to leave home early and be sawing before 8:00AM. Marty is planning to go too so I will have plenty of good help. :) We will just get up before breakfast and get rolling.
The Tool Box Calculator shows ~5900 lbs, ~5300 lbs, & ~3800 lbs so I probably will have to shorten the two largest logs. I am thinking that the butt log will have to be 10' and the second log 12'. The butt log shows some heart rot anyway. The customer is OK with shortening if necessary.
To me, this is what portable sawmilling is all about. thumbs-up
Lynn, that-second picture looks like some sort of star wars creature with maybe a nasty disposition. Banjo
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I started sawing the black locust into 5/4 ×6" and 5/4 × 4" porch and deck boards.
Have an order for (90) 3"×5"×8' fence post out of Massachusetts.
I have only sawn one locust log before.
This is fresh cut but man is this stuff dusty.
I'm using a Cooks 8° 1.5 x .050 band , it cuts it flat and true.
But that dust is something.
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Lynn,
How early do you have to get up to make it before breakfast? I'll bet that's pretty early....
Steve
Bruno, keep an eye on your breathing. Some people have a pretty strong reaction to locust dust. for me I don't saw a lot at any given time but I can tell when I've been sawing it, feel kind of heavy in the chest, for some it can really shut them down.
Bruno, I do not and never have sawn anything without wearing an N95 mask. My take is that it is not what you see but what you don't/can't see that will mess your breathing up.
Yes Banjo, I had those laid out for the customer when he got back to the sawmill after felling the Cypress tree. He 'bout flipped and wore his phone out taking pictures.
Steve, getting up before breakfast is kinda like early-thirty. smiley_hourglass Da hourglass runs outta sand much too soon.
Howard along the same thought process as time vs time sawing; I don't time myself sawing log(s) and I don't attempt to tell a customer how many bf are in his log whack. I have no idea how many bf a blade will last nor how many times it has been resharpened. To me it just doesn't matter. We will tally when I finish the log whack and the whack will be gone when I finish sawing it. I will change the blade when it gets dull, and the blade will either break or be rejected when it's life is over. :)
I'm going to wear a mask.
The dust is fine like table saw dust.
I'm not taking a chance with it.
I had that bilateral pe
I like breathing
Quote from: Bruno of NH on June 06, 2020, 02:38:28 PM
I'm going to wear a mask.
The dust is fine like table saw dust.
I'm not taking a chance with it.
I had that bilateral pe
I like breathing
Good to be safe! Good advice from Magicman 👍👍
Quote from: Don P on June 06, 2020, 12:10:38 PM
Bruno, keep an eye on your breathing. Some people have a pretty strong reaction to locust dust. for me I don't saw a lot at any given time but I can tell when I've been sawing it, feel kind of heavy in the chest, for some it can really shut them down.
Good advice Don & Magicman 👍👍
Lynn,
I like that attitude. I give the customer a business card with a log scale on the back and tell them they can measure and estimate their whack of logs if they want to. The amount does not matter to me. If they ask I may estimate 2K-3K bf in a stack and tell them I could be way off (Usually not but I have not seen the insides yet). If they have a budget and pre-set a limit I will periodically do an interim measure so not to overshoot by too much but that is rare as usually if they have cut and dragged the log up they want the lumber from it. Usually we just tally at the end of the day/job. I know some sawyers mark a tally sheet as they cut every board. I am not that coordinated. I am either sawing or recording and don't try to do both at the same time. When a band seems to be getting in a strain or tries to skip over a knot I change it. Maybe I should have changed earlier or maybe I could have finished the cant with it. It doesn't matter to me and just part of the cost of doing business as long as no nails.
we spent the day cutting down a nice bunch of sassafras trees , can't wait to get them on the mill . did not know there was any this big in our area , guy in pic is a whiz at felling trees and we made short work of getting them stacked and tops cleaned up , took several trips to get everything hauled back but I think it was worth it
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Nice sassy. I have some on my place, 12-14" and crooked. That's about the biggest I see when custom sawing also.
The crooked ones make for interesting grain if you can keep the boards uncrooked.
Some are a bit crooked , got them sealed and rowed up only had time to cut one . It was the first sassafras I have cut, I like the look of the grain , hope they dry fairly straight . switched to sycamore cut up some 6x6es and 2xs to build a couple of more pallets for the sassafras
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Flatsawn sycamore tends to be equivalent of a wood juvenile delinquent :). A lot of the 2xs turn into would be propellors.
The Devil smiley_devil brought in a load of logs and wanted them all slabbed 6/4 and 8/4. This was the first and smallest as I wanted to see how they were going to behave on the mill. No problem. (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10125/DSCF1439.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1591666649)
I like the looks of those slabs.
The smiley_devil can dress up and look very pretty.
It is a shame its a bear to work with, I sure do like it.
Sass was also know as "poor mans oak" and some gets snuck in as chestnut. I think it is a very handsome wood but we get very little of any size, that is quite a score. Its another one I'd love to build a log cabin out of. Pretty, stable, decay resistant.
We went and got this large poplar Sun, got 5 nice 8'er's, had to slab it with the Alaskan down to where I could lift the chunks with my little bobcat. I went back and retrieved it yesterday and we started sawing it up. It'll be new windows in the local farm museum. We had to break out the small chain dogs, it was larger than the tongs could grab. 4lo and overloaded on the crawl home :D
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Nice poplar ! have not found any around here to cut
not sure if they grow here ?
When they get that big here on my place, there's a good chance they will be hollow. >:( Banjo
67 inch wide cut today and 21 inches long two days ago. I took some time off and fished the Bridger Teton forest at around 8000 feet last week in Wyoming. Interesting weather............. 8)
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You done good twice. Banjo
Looking good on the slabbing and on the fishing 🎣
Which picture do I like better? ;D
Brace fitting for the front porch of the office build yesterday . Tony has his hand on a fresh sawn cedar 10X that I will work on this morning for the other side of the porch.It is nice to have a mill and log deck to generate material in less time than it takes to go down the hill and buy it 8)
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looks great as always, watch out for the "winches"!
Marty and I drove 37 miles this morning after the rain and sawed one log.
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The largest Red Oak log on the left was sawn and the "log" on the right was discarded.
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The customer is shortening the butt log back to 10' as his son and wife look on.
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Three 2"X26" live edge slabs and the remainder was sawn 1". We loaded the log ~10:00 and finished before 12:00. Minimum sawing charge plus a $40 tip.
We have a 117 mile road trip for Friday to saw three Oak logs, and I have a 90 mile trip scheduled for Monday to saw one Oak log. We will begin sawing a 40+ Oak job on Tuesday.
@Magicman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=10011) , do you include the pith in one of your 2" live edge boards? I can't quite tell from the picture.
The customer did not want nor need but two 2" slabs so I measured to insure that they would be above the pith. After sawing them he decided that another would be nice and it just so happened that the third 2" slab completely contained the pith and pith check. I could have easily gotten another below that one but he was satisfied.
After seeing what he got from that log, this will become a repeat customer.
Finally got a chance to run my mill this afternoon (Thur). It's set up at my buddy's shop in town and there'd always be something else to do. I milled some spruce timbers for an exterior split stairway to a second floor apartment. Mill worked beautifully as expected. Now with that out of the way, I have some Maple and Manitoba Maple to mill.
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Cut a order of 1X10X8 pine for a repeat customer.
today I will finish 8 4X4x8 and 25 more 1X10's
@Magicman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=10011) ,
Do you have a minimum fee to go saw one log for a customer or does the mileage cover that? I charge the same for the first 1,000 bf although I may waive that if real close or I am already working in the area. I have waived minimum in the past when it was easier for me to transport the mill than the extra effort to unload and clean up if they brought the logs here. Doesn't happen often but I try to maintain maximum flexibility as to what works best for me and the client. I don't have a minimum here at home.
White pine barn and shed siding orders today.
1x12x10,1x10x10,1x8x10 and other side boards.
Nice warm and breezy day.
Smiley got covered in sawdust as she always does.
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Nice pictures and helper 👍👍
How does Smiley enjoy a leaf blower bath at the end of the day? :D
She just goes in the pond or brook and gets all wet and muddy before she goes inside. :D
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on June 12, 2020, 08:48:14 AMDo you have a minimum fee to go saw one log for a customer or does the mileage cover that?
Generally a 1Mbf minimum fee and if it's close I may not charge the travel/setup but in the above instance it was 37 miles so fee + t&s. I have a one 14' ~24" Oak log to saw Monday which is 90 miles. Yes, t&s + minimum 1Mbf charge.
Marty and I had an eventful sawing day today. 118 miles for 3 logs but it was
3 logs.
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Pictures can be deceiving. The top log was 34" and all were 17'+ which were jumped back to 12', 10', and 9'.
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The butt log was big.
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After bucking and trimming I loaded and sawed the top log.
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After sawing the top log I moved the sawmill up to the second log, loaded and sawed it.
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And then on to the butt log leaving a trail of sawdust after sawing each log.
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I noticed and avoided sawing these!!
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The log calculator shows this log at over 4500lbs. and I am quite sure that it is the heaviest log that I have ever loaded.
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The customer still has some stickering to do.
1651bf of 9/4 and 4/4, plus we got a $140 tip. ;D :D
I'd call that a pretty good yield for 3 logs.
Nice pictures Magicman 👍
Careful, you don't want to void your warranty!!
Monster Log!
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Big Pine. That is as heavy as my tractor will lift. 28"x 8'3" about 1500 pounds. Nothing like that 4500 lb oak Magicman had on his mill!
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A nice stack of 1x12's. plus six 1x10's
richhiway, I continue to admire your sawing and git-r-done sawing attitude. Big is relative and we ain't in a contest. :D
A former student and good friend brought John and me a couple of sections of a large live oak that came down during a local tornado a few months ago. He wanted it slabbed and I asked him specifically how he wanted it cut and his response was, cut it like it was yours.
Anyway, he dumped the two halves in my yard a day or so ago. The thick bark had some mud that the debarker would have no chance at reaching. John pressure washed the logs. I do not have a magic hook...yet, but we were able to position the log halves on the mill and eventually clamp using the tractor's fork and a chain. The logs were too short for the back stops and the turner to work effectively. We ended up with 25, one live edge slabs up to 29" wide. Many had incredible dark grain. I hope John will post any pictures he may have taken. I do not have any available storage on my phone for pics right now.
We have some of our own liveoak logs to saw but have been putting them off. We switched over from 1 1/4" turbos that have been resharpened to 4° to 1 1/2", .050 Kasco 4° today for the wide liveoak. The first cut had a little wave but the rest were very flat. We use diesel for blade lube on the liveoak and longleaf pine and cotton picker spindle lube on just about everything else.
We also removed eight wheels from our GN trailer, cleaned the wheels, removed the tires and mounted new tires on the wheels. Three shirts so far today.
The TK and I traveled 45 miles to Valparaiso Nebraska today to saw a whack of cedar logs. I didn't make my standard pre-saw site visit on this one as the job developed on a short notice, so I wasn't sure what I was getting into.
The client said it was 50 cedar logs at 10' to 20' long but would be bucked down to mostly 8'-6" in length. He wanted it all flat sawn, live edge @ 7/8" thick for vertical B&B siding. I'm thinking I should be able to process 25 logs a day with that type of sawing so I told him it would be a 2 day job to get thru 50+ logs.
Turns out they were mostly what Magic Man calls " pecker poles" and I was able to process the entire pile in one long day. I don't know how many logs it ended up being but it was a bunch. More than the 50 the client had me prepared for. It was a huge help that the client had a great labor force who made sure to keep me at the controls and not handling material for the vast majority of the day.
I love it when the client and I are on the same page and a plan comes together like we were in charge, and had control of the situation😂🤪😂!
One of his laborers brought in a couple of cedars and a walnut on a trailer that I processed first.
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He was very happy with the material he ended up with. Especially the 10 year old walnut that everyone told him would be rotten. Turned out to be a really nice log. Sapwood was all gone but the heartwood was perfect.
Next the client and his crew started bucking and lining up cedar logs with his John Deere and FEL.
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And more cedars from another angle. Some of them 14' - 16' long.
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I apologize for not getting a pic of the original log piles but I just didn't feel comfortable taking pics until the saw started making a good dust pile.
The only square edged stuff was the the one walnut log making it kinda hard to accurately tally being mostly live edge but over 3300 bf total.
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One small hiccup was the client ran out of stickers. But he plans to move and restack all of it in the next couple days.
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Good Job Doug!!! That far way I would never make a special visit to see the logs. Just go and git-r-done and you did so very nicely. Hourly rate works best for me (and the customer) with jobs like that.
Black Walnut.
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A new customer brought me some small Black walnut "logs" to saw (I charge by the hour, not the board foot) that had been cut down for at least a year. The biggest log did yield some nice 9"+ wide boards.
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Add a little water and it looks "Highly Valuable". ;D
I'm getting good business right now with the teak sales!
2100$ teak deck, planned 2 sides, 1x5
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350$ round wood order
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Sean dropped off a honey locust. about 36 inches and over 13 feet long. green and heavy. cat 270 would lift it about 4 feet off the ground. my timber model!
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had to bibby a little
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his son Zeak holding his hat (I offered a forestry helmet)
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almost needed the cotton picker spindle lube to get the gantry past.
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yep found metal. Sean used my tool (Like Jake's) made by Crescent to pull it. it was some clothes line wire that had vinyl hose around it. prob to straighten up the tree. the client who asked Sean to cut down the tree, had planted it in 1955.
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got it banded so we could use the crane to load it.
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a bunch of 6/4 x 11.5 x 13 feet. and some 3 x 3 leg stock for tables, and a few 4/4 for stickers. happy customers, Sean and Zeak!
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stickered and in his shop to air dry.
Quote from: doc henderson on June 15, 2020, 12:39:33 AMmy timber model!
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Doc, your timber model deserves more pics ;)
Nice pics Doc 👍
My mom asked me to saw some a walnut log for the parish priest and she wanted to pay me. I said how about I saw the best log of the tree in exchange for me keeping the secondary logs. I can make some good mantels out of those. I picked up the logs today. Biggest log was about 8' long and 25" diameter. I can see that it has some metal in it, so I will use my detector as I cut and hopefully find it before I hit it. I got the beast loaded up and ready to saw. I really need to put together a magicman hook.
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Smiley had a tough day at the mill today keeping the red squirrels at bay.
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I feel kind of like Smiley except it is raining here. It started raining Monday. So the only logs I am sawing are during naps.....
I did cut a 5/4 live edge walnut for a guy on Saturday. One board is all I've cut in two weeks. But I have a new pool....
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Luke and I started a road trip (66 mile) job Monday and so far we are doing fairly well.
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40+ Red, White, and Post Oak logs scattered about but no problem because the customer has them sorted and brings them to the sawmill as he needs them sawn.
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We are set up under a huge Elm tree so plenty of shade.
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It's all "farm" lumber for cattle pens and trailer decking. I sawed the above in September.
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This was taken at 10:00 this morning so we were moving along quite nicely.
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We finished the 16' logs this afternoon so the whack on the left is complete with 3237 bf of 1X6's & 1X8's. Neither of the small whacks have been scaled yet. All that is left to saw is 10' & 12' logs.
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My customer on the left, Luke, and Tailgunner with this 31" top end Post Oak that I will start sawing in the morning.
Nothing but live edge walnut slabs.
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When I saw this log coming down the drive I thought about running off and hiding but the guy trapped me.
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It ended up making four nice slabs and I only had to trim off two branch stubs to get the saw through it.
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Easy day tomorrow. Nothing but 30" plus straight logs to slab. This one may have a slight problem. Anybody see it?
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I see a little spot there around 8 o'clock.
Good eye. When my customer brought the logs I saw fence wire sticking out of the butt. He wacked off about 18" than checked it with his metal detector which didn't show anything.
The ultimate detector is my band, so I'll find out if he got all of the metal tomorrow. I'll orient my sawing so that spot is in the very last slab. With the price slabs are selling for well worth taking a chance.
I rarely find one staple, nail, screw, clothes line or fence wire. Seems like they travel in packs of three to 6.
Absolutely, they travel in packs. ;D I was bucking firewood logs today I got from a neighbor. only one log had nails that I saw when I hooked it up for skidding. as soon as I got it in they yard I circled all the nail groups I saw with white spray paint so I wouldn't miss them when it came time to buck that log. There were only a few places I could cut and miss the (visible) nails and screws, and fence nails, and screw eyes, and wire fence (get the picture). Well this morning that log came up and I started bucking by my standard lengths and it was only when I looked over the log to watch my bar tip that I saw it was the painted log. All the markings were on the far side. I rechecked and looked it over careful and come to find that my standard lengths came out to exactly to go between the metal stuff, in one case, by just a 1/2". Talk about dumb luck. That never happens to me. I lost count at about 16 metal 'inclusions' in a 6 foot log. Watch that black spot, he might have friends. :D
Quote from: Larry on June 17, 2020, 09:32:29 PM
Nothing but live edge walnut slabs.
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When I saw this log coming down the drive I thought about running off and hiding but the guy trapped me.
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It ended up making four nice slabs and I only had to trim off two branch stubs to get the saw through it.
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Easy day tomorrow. Nothing but 30" plus straight logs to slab. This one may have a slight problem. Anybody see it?
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Looks Awesome Larry. Tell me a little about that mirror you have and where it's mounted and how you use it. Thanks
I position the control console on the loader side of the mill for two reasons. It keeps me away from the sawdust and I have a short roller table directly behind the mill for dragging back. The downside is I can't see the log stops. The mirror is my solution.
Its all about saving steps and improving efficiency.
Thanks Larry 👍
I milled that big walnut This morning. I knew there was metal in it because of the stain, so I intended to scan each time I cut, but I skipped one time. That's the time I hit a screw. After that I was more vigilant and found 4 more 3" drywall screws. It turned out what caused the stain in the log was a .22 bullet. I thought I had hit another screw, but then realized it hadn't affected the cut quality.
I'm curious, have y'all ever had every sign of a bullet, a track in the wood, grain pointed in along the path, then a bit of color but no bullet. I'm wondering if the tree can dissolve one or if I'm misreading an old nail or something that has been pulled later.
Ted that is awesome, just be careful of the sides when you drop the logs in and it should work fine.
And more walnut slabs.
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With big crotch logs, I usually sit them on the mill using forks with the log positioned as it will get sawed. Use the two plane clamp to pull the log off the forks. The log ears make the log hard to turn with the turner. I trim the ears on the mill so I don't loose any more wood than necessary.
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I trimmed the ears so the log would fit between the guides. I have 32" and the guides were rubbing on both sides as I sawed through.
Very nice Larry 👍👍👍
Nice Larry!!
I regularly hit bullets, Don P. Several within the past few weeks, both lead .22's, lead 38's, and jacketed bullets. I have never seen any discoloration or any tell-tail sign that a bullet was there other than rosin buildup in Pine. A few weeks ago I sawed bookmatched bullets that will be a table top.
Luke and I finished our road trip at noon today sawing mostly White & Post Oak for cattle catch pen lumber which will be installed green within the next few weeks.
This morning we sawed a variety of other logs which included Cherry, Persimmon, Black Gum, & smiley_devil.
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We started with bookmatched Persimmon.
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And then this "mystery" log showed up. smiley_devil
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And then it's sister showed up which need trimming.
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Luke did a fine job.
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Both were sawn into 2" and 4½" slabs.
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So now it is time to pack up.
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And leave everything behind....slabs, sawdust, and 5421 bf of lumber. We sawed um and left with a jingle in our pockets. ;D
Quote from: Magicman on June 17, 2020, 09:25:52 PMwith this 31" top end Post Oak that I will start sawing in the morning.
Lynn,
Is it okay to leave the mill up (out of the stowed position) over night? I have wanted to load logs at dusk to saw the next day, but didn't want the mill head standing at attention that long.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Bindian on June 18, 2020, 11:25:27 PMIs it okay to leave the mill up (out of the stowed position) over night? I have wanted to load logs at dusk to saw the next day, but didn't want the mill head standing at attention that long. hugs, Brandi
Don't mean to butt in but the only time my mill is in stow position is when I tow it. It stays up year round basically. Never an issue.
Quote from: Bindian on June 18, 2020, 11:25:27 PM
Quote from: Magicman on June 17, 2020, 09:25:52 PMwith this 31" top end Post Oak that I will start sawing in the morning.
Lynn,
Is it okay to leave the mill up (out of the stowed position) over night? I have wanted to load logs at dusk to saw the next day, but didn't want the mill head standing at attention that long.
hugs, Brandi
I always lowered it to its rest position or within an inch or two of the bed, but not for fear of stress on the chain etc. More to be able to cover the head more easily or reduce the possibility of it falling on someone, same as I'd put a tractor load on the ground.
Quote from: Bindian on June 18, 2020, 11:25:27 PMIs it okay to leave the mill up (out of the stowed position) over night?
hugs, Brandi
I always raise the head higher than the log diameter when loading to be able to see and adjust the log, but as to stowing after a work day; the head is lowered to within ~3"- 4" of the bed where it is convenient to remove the blade, refuel, etc. The weight of the head is always on the chain at night.
At the end of the day, I always try to have a log loaded or at least at the loader when I am ready to saw the next morning.
Last Saturday we sawed some short liveoak slabs and they turned out great. Prior to sawing today we ensured the mill was aligned and was the same over each bed rail. We started with the same blade we used last weekend on the other liveoak. It dove about 2/3 the way down the log. We pried and wedged and eventually got the blade back enough to chainsaw a slab off. This was just the beginning- three blades, one hit two nails, cupping, diving, lots of smoke, absolutely frustrating. We persevered, took a lunch break and went out to saw some easy logs.
After lunch, using the same blade, we sawed a couple of good sized hickory logs. They behaved much better than the liveoak. The hickory had some nice, curly grain in some of them.
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All of the above slabs are pignut hickory.
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Cups and dives in the same cut. This is a special kind of frustration. It did not matter if we were sawing slow, medium, fast.
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Really nice short liveoak slabs sawn last Saturday with the same Kasco 4° that did not have anything for this morning's log.
Quote from: Magicman on June 19, 2020, 07:56:49 AM
Quote from: Bindian on June 18, 2020, 11:25:27 PMIs it okay to leave the mill up (out of the stowed position) over night?
hugs, Brandi
I always raise the head higher than the log diameter when loading to be able to see and adjust the log, but as to stowing after a work day; the head is lowered to within ~3"- 4" of the bed where it is convenient to remove the blade, refuel, etc. The weight of the head is always on the chain at night.
At the end of the day, I always try to have a log loaded or at least at the loader when I am ready to saw the next morning.
Thanks Lynn and everyone else who responded. I once forgot to lower the bracket pin you stow the head on for trailering. I hit it with the debarker. It sheared a bolt. But the bolt came out easy.
hugs, Brandi
That hickory is like rocks...i decided from now on I give a local sawyers name on hickory...secretly love the weight and texture but man, Back Breaking work.
Live oak is about as tough as it gets.
Sometimes it (liveoak) saws really nice. Sometimes it seems like sawmill abuse just to make it through the log and yesterday's liveoak was absolutely ridiculous.
made some maple stickers to fit my 42 inch wide pallets.
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Just finished up some 3x10 green cottonwood for my brothers lowbed.... we cut about 20 10-16 footers the other day, , seemed way easier with two more people helping lol no wonder they were sweating . (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/56534/C652E17B-CD6F-4CC9-8460-080FC6A81DC4.jpeg?easyrotate_cache=1592706674)
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(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/56534/D9C57B43-C80F-46D7-9244-0CB625B25440.jpeg?easyrotate_cache=1592706569)this was the last one I cut, there was a bit of tension in the others but nothing like this, I'm thinking he better get them on before he can't lol
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/56534/EB649E9B-1DE1-40C8-9493-347F2AD2BFA3.jpeg?easyrotate_cache=1592706526)there's some pretty nice colours in there too, I'm curious if it'll stay once it's dry? Any thoughts on what's the best wood for a lowbed? The only other options near here are poplar, spruce and pine, he thinks the ones on it now are fir but they got all busted up from a feller buncher with 3" ice grousers :-\
I cut some 2x cottonwood for a low boy about 6 years ago. they are doing great. sprayed with some boiled linseed oil. does not crack as the softer wild fibers crush a little and then come back. it hauls a bull dozer.
Quote from: doc henderson on June 20, 2020, 10:56:52 PM
I cut some 2x cottonwood for a low boy about 6 years ago. they are doing great. sprayed with some boiled linseed oil. does not crack as the softer wild fibers crush a little and then come back. it hauls a bull dozer.
Thanks doc, that's good to hear, between the two of us that's the best we come up with :D I'll let him know about the boiled linseed, with all the tracked machinery up here I have a feeling he'll be a return customer, but hopefully they last as good as the ones you cut.
Quote from: 97redjeep on June 20, 2020, 10:51:56 PMAny thoughts on what's the best wood for a lowbed?
Cottonwood seems popular for trailer decking because it's soft and stringy. Means that if it gets a beating it sort of dents, but stays intact . Some harder woods tend to splinter and crack, and that means they get worn out faster.
Something like White Oak, or some of the Eucalyptus species is probably best, but of the species you list, cottonwood probably wins. It's not durable, but if it gets beaten to death before it rots, that's not an issue.
I have a cottonwood slab left over from that milling that has been out in the sun and rain on top of a couple of my firewood crates. it has surface checks and is gray looking, but no rot. the key is to not leave a ton of mud on the deck that stays wet. My slab has no ground contact. good luck.
I had 698.8 hours on my mill and coming up on my next 50 hour service so I bucked this 27' hickory log that fell nearly a year ago into 2-10' and a 7' log.
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I went ahead and cut it into 1"X 1" strips which I will cut into 5' tomato stakes by cutting the 10's in half at an angle so I have a one-side point on each. I'll cut the 7' into a tomato stake and a 2' sticker. I staged the slabs and edgings to one side and will cut into small pieces and see if I can peddle them as smoker and BBQ wood.
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Strips from the butt log.
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Strips from the 2nd 10' and the 7' log. After I get back from PT tomorrow I will cut them to length and bundle them into packs of a dozen for sale.
I finished with 700.0 hours on the mill so after the stakes are cut I will do the next routine service on the mill including an oil and filters change.
This is the first sawing I have done since the injury to my fingers. I still don't have the grip and can't do some things like pulling the cord on my chainsaw or leaf blower but seem to be able to operate the mill including removing the slabs and wood I cut. I have a couple of jobs waiting on me so after I service the mill I will attack them as soon as the weather permits. One is about 20 miles away and about 4,000 bf and the other is probably 700-800 I can combine and do after the first as they are not too far apart.
Quote from: doc henderson on June 20, 2020, 10:56:52 PM
I cut some 2x cottonwood for a low boy about 6 years ago. they are doing great. sprayed with some boiled linseed oil. does not crack as the softer wild fibers crush a little and then come back. it hauls a bull dozer.
Hey Doc,
Can you buy linseed oil already boiled, or do you have to boil it?
hugs, Brandi
You can buy boiled linseed oil at most hardware and building supply stores
they call it boiled, but now that means it has toxic chemical in it to help it dry. confusing. good luck. even wally mart should carry it in the paint section by the gallon. used in some paint applications, to add and help flow. the drying agents are metals and toxic so not to use on "food safe" applications. "unboiled" linseed oil is safe but may remain tacky for some time.
Sliced up this beauty this weekend...too hot out for my northern blood, not sure how you guys south do it all the time, day 4 above 90 with high humidity, give me the snow and cold over this any day. Pretty wild grain, drying slow inside, will see if she holds up. Poplar
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I went ahead and cut my hickory strips from yesterday into tomato stakes. I got 249 tomato stake. 16 dozen 5' stakes, 2 dozen 4' stakes and 2 dozen 6' stakes (That's what happens when you mis- measure when cutting 10' strips in half :D.)
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While I was doing this an old repeat customer came by and bought about 40 bf of mostly 4/4 ash. He wanted 4- 6' 2X2 strips for corners on a pie safe he is making for his daughter so I cut 6' off a 12' LE 8/4 ash slab and resawed it into the 4 strips he wanted. He seemed happy with the order.
This guy often comes by and buys 20-30 bf assorted lumber. I know that would be a piddling nuisance for you big full time sawyers but it works fine for me.
The first cedar truss today.
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Sawed about 120 bf of cedar and oak, all 4/4. Just cleaning up a couple of logs that were laying in front of the mill. I'll use it to build more hutches.
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Quote from: WV Sawmiller on June 22, 2020, 05:26:19 PM(That's what happens when you mis- measure when cutting 10' strips in half :D.)
You only missed it by a foot :D.
Fortunately there is a market periodically for both of them so I will still be able to sell them. I have found the 5' ones seem more popular. I had sold all I cut last winter except 4-5 dozen still in the back of my truck. This should see me through the rest of the season unless I get an unexpected big order from someone.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on June 22, 2020, 05:26:19 PM
This guy often comes by and buys 20-30 bf assorted lumber. I know that would be a piddling nuisance for you big full time sawyers but it works fine for me.
I'm happy with small time buyers. It gives me a few dollars and a chance to chat. ;D
Working on these:
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Took three down for a local vet. One was dead and leaning towards his shed. The other two were in decline and possibly would get his fence. Used my winch to change their direction. The one that was starting to spalt made some beautiful boards. Banjo
I had a big, gnarly looking walnut with crotch at both ends. My buddy who makes projects with poured epoxy asked for two 2 1/2" slabs out of it to make a dining table. He will dry them. They turned out pretty neat with some neat figure. Looks like hearts at one end.
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Today it was northern poplar for trailer decking orders 2x8x14 and 2x8x10.
Some was clear grade
Smiley likes listening to the Highway Men while sawing :D
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That is quite an operation. Sawmill extraordinaire !!! 8)
Quote from: Banjo picker on June 24, 2020, 11:48:46 AM
Working on these:
Took three down for a local vet. One was dead and leaning towards his shed. The other two were in decline and possibly would get his fence. Used my winch to change their direction. The one that was starting to spalt made some beautiful boards. Banjo
Hey Banjo,
I like your setup. I will be building a saw shed for my LT40, then install my bed extension. I notice you have your tires off the mill. Do you suppose to remove them with a bed extension?
Can you post another photo of your mill setup? Please?
hugs, Brandi
Doc Henderson, what would you think of cottonwood for deck flooring? I have a neighbor who has an old building built entirely of cottonwood, framing, boxing, siding. Who knows how old?
I think if you avoid direct soil contact, it should do well. but add a water repellant finish or sealant. It can be beautiful. someone here finished the inside of their shop with CW as a utility grade covering, but put finish on it and gets all kinds of oos and ahs! I will take a pic of the 18 foot slab I have out in the weather for 6 years with no finish. I am sure it is plentiful. the question may be weather to dry it first or just put it on wet. I would build the framing with pressure treated I think.
Here you go Brandi:
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It's 17 foot tall at the eaves. Don't really need that mush height. Shed runs north an d south long side like you are looking.
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Mill sets on the west side of the shed. On the north end.
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I have three of these roller tables with a rack by each one coming off the south end. Slabs on on this first one ... product goes on the other two. Mill has drag back feature, so I can an do run it by myself most of the time.
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Here is some boards waiting to get put on the racks. Setup works for me. Banjo
Are those Willys Jeeps for hauling lumber? ???
Quote from: Banjo picker on June 25, 2020, 08:39:10 AM
Here you go Brandi:
It's 17 foot tall at the eaves. Don't really need that mush height. Shed runs north an d south long side like you are looking.
Mill sets on the west side of the shed. On the north end.
I have three of these roller tables with a rack by each one coming off the south end. Slabs on on this first one ... product goes on the other two. Mill has drag back feature, so I can an do run it by myself most of the time.
Here is some boards waiting to get put on the racks. Setup works for me. Banjo
Thanks Banjo.
hugs, Brandi
I thought I spied a couple of Willys. Thanks for the tour.
I have 5 total. 4 wagons and 1 pickup. Sawing lumber keeps getting in the way of restoring them. One is a doner that I take arts off. Always wanted one when I was growing up. Banjo
Natural edge slabs of course.
I had a couple of short cherry crotch logs to do first. The owner was hoping for a bigger void for resin art.
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The owner of this log told me it was an extremely rare "quad crotch walnut".
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My partner said he could trade it for lots of dog bones!
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I called it just another "pita" walnut. I found two concrete screws and the blade found another four. The owner got off lucky, one blade charge and he didn't loose much wood. The figure was pretty.
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Got another coming in soon (I hope). 866 board foot and 6,333 pounds. I need a bigger mill!!
I like those alien faces and eyes in those crotch slabs?
Quote from: Banjo picker on June 25, 2020, 10:28:25 PM
I have 5 total. 4 wagons and 1 pickup. Sawing lumber keeps getting in the way of restoring them. One is a doner that I take arts off. Always wanted one when I was growing up. Banjo
Banjo,
What are the dimensions of your roller tables.
hugs, Brandi
Started earlier this year with Ash trees on my lot.
https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=110495.new#new
There was some saw-logs in the group I felled and I worked on those.
Working on my tapper sawing technique lessons from
here: https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=110986.msg1735920#msg1735920
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Brandi: without going out and putting a tape on them , I would say about 16 inches wide. They are 10 long,and about an inch lower than the off roller that is on the end of the mill. I have mounted a radial arm saw between the first and second set, as I have one customer that ocassionally orders boards cut to length. I find it helpful for my own use also.
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Swings out of the way when you don't need it. I have a couple of very large roller tables that are chain driven by an electrical motor,but I haven't had time to cut them down and install as of yet. Thanks for your interest. Banjo
Quote from: Larry on June 26, 2020, 09:31:03 PMI called it just another "pita" walnut.
(https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) someones crap is another ones treasure! (Well, i don't know if i formulated that correctly)
Quote from: Banjo picker on June 27, 2020, 09:39:06 AM
Brandi: without going out and putting a tape on them , I would say about 16 inches wide. They are 10 long,and about an inch lower than the off roller that is on the end of the mill. I have mounted a radial arm saw between the first and second set, as I have one customer that ocassionally orders boards cut to length. I find it helpful for my own use also.
Swings out of the way when you don't need it. I have a couple of very large roller tables that are chain driven by an electrical motor,but I haven't had time to cut them down and install as of yet. Thanks for your interest. Banjo
Thanks Banjo. That is an awesome place to put a saw.
You have a roller on the end of the mill? How about a photo or two it is also, please.
hugs, Brandi
I'll get you a picture tomorrow if I don't forget. It's a massive roller at the end of the mill. They come standard on the big Cooks mill now. I had to pay extra when I ordered mine. It's a back saver. Once you get a cant or stack of boards on that roller it's easy to get it started down the rollers....especially handy when you work alone. Banjo
Cutting 22' W Pine for another timber frame.
I like to have 100% control of the log setting it this way. Rolling them [long ones]
might bend the mill with my luck.
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Chained up under the forks.
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Forks under coming off. 6x12x22'
Cutting some red oak for a customer that's been down 2 years.
It would have been better, but really not too bad either.
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Here is the picture of the roller Brandi wanted to see.
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About 6 inches in diameter, and sticks up just a fraction of an inch above the bed.
Here is a view of the roller tables with the saw in line.
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Banjo
Thanks Banjo!!!
I will line up mine like yours. I do like the offload ramps off of the roller tables too.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Banjo picker on June 28, 2020, 02:57:10 PMHere is a view of the roller tables with the saw in line.
I love using roller conveyors, too for a cut line as well as for my table saw. I was able to pick up some skate wheel conveyors but had to build stands for them.
I originally bought them to offload boards from my sawmill but found the forks on my tractor was faster. So I repurposed them.
This is my sizing line.
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This is the infeed/outfeed for the table saw.
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Holy cow thats a clean shop. Banjo
Quote from: Banjo picker on June 28, 2020, 08:20:08 PM
Holy cow thats a clean shop. Banjo
My wife and I have an agreement - I make the shop dirty (building her a house) and she keeps it clean. ;D ;D ;D
How do you keep that long fence lined up?
Quote from: Banjo picker on June 28, 2020, 08:20:08 PM
Holy cow thats a clean shop. Banjo
Actually that is a true example of photo shopped.
Yup, a photo of da shop!! ;D
Had a good weekend with the mill, only my second paying travel job. Most of my cutting is for myself. Turned over 100 hours on the mill since I got it (prior owners pulled the hour meter ::)).
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Small, small, and more small logs, all white oak cleared off when the customer built their house. All finished up for the weekend, they made about 850 bf ranging from 6' to 16' long. The boards will be used to build a deck off the back of the new house. Neat story behind the trees. The owners grandfather and great grandfather planted 10 acres of field with white oak, walnut, and locust 60+/- years ago and now the board will become part of their new house.
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And lots of slabs when cutting logs this small.
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Heading back there Friday to finish up the job. This has been a good lesson in how NOT to charge when sawing logs this small, but he did tip very well which helps.
@Peter Drouin (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=12511) , how did you support that mill shed opening so long without a post?? I need to do something like that and need ideas. Have a photo from the inside of the beam?
Quote from: LeeB on June 28, 2020, 10:25:33 PM
How do you keep that long fence lined up?
The roller conveyor stands help hold the rip fence stable. It just takes a bit of care to align everything before starting to use it.
Quote from: EOTE on June 28, 2020, 09:32:50 PM
My wife and I have an agreement - I make the shop dirty (building her a house) and she keeps it clean. ;D ;D ;D
That sounds fair to me. I think I'll mention this to my wife.....well, maybe not. ::)
I got out and did an alignment on my bed rails yesterday. I doubt they were out much over 1/4" between them all but got them all the same so I got out and sawed a few test logs. I started with a spalted 8' maple and made a couple of 8/4 LE slabs then a dozen 9/4 X 9/4 "stickers" for bench legs.
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I took a 4' walnut crotch and cut 2-8/4 LE slabs and one 4/4 slab. Some spalting and may have to trim off one end but got it out of the way. I was going to make bench legs but it wasn't the right piece for that.
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I did not take a picture but also grabbed a 5' ash piece and cut a dozen 9/4 X 9/4 bench legs out of it. I have a Lumberjack Festival coming up in September and plan on taking a large assortment of benches to it. Now lets just pray for good weather and safe travel conditions.
Yesterday I was able to saw a short hickory I cut from the tree I took down a year and a half ago. I was afraid it was gonna be too hard, but the Turbo 7s zipped right through it. The log was S shaped and always wanted to hang to the ground, so I wacked it off. I will sell these or hang on to them to see how they dry out.
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Today I cut my first bench. I used blocks of Red Oak for the leg blocks and bench. It was just too ate up to make anything longer.
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I also cut some thin Red Oak boards to make my 1st blade box. The blocks, bench and boards are from a decaying (still alive on one side) Red Oak I dug up almost two years ago.
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hugs, Brandi
EOTE,
How do you like that JET planer? Also, with that clean floor and all those vacuum ducts, where do you dance on Saturday night? taz-smiley
hug, Brandi
cranking out some nice wood and projects Brandi!
Brandi,
Looks good. If anybody steals it I'd first check with the local ER to see if anybody reported recently with back problems. :D
Quote from: Bindian on July 01, 2020, 12:22:33 AM
EOTE,
How do you like that JET planer? Also, with that clean floor and all those vacuum ducts, where do you dance on Saturday night? taz-smiley
hug, Brandi
Bindian,
I love the Jet planer! I have the helical head and once I got it set up properly, it works flawlessly. I've run over 8,000 board feet through it so far and it really does a nice job. I haven't had to change the cutters yet but that is probably due to doing mostly pine. You have to keep the table waxed thoroughly for the boards to run through smoothly.
I port the chips through a Harbor Freight dust collector and out to my 16K dump trailer. I made a bin to dump the chips. Each trailer load is about 9 yards of chips.
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Quote from: EOTE on July 01, 2020, 09:28:06 AM
Quote from: Bindian on July 01, 2020, 12:22:33 AM
EOTE,
How do you like that JET planer? Also, with that clean floor and all those vacuum ducts, where do you dance on Saturday night? taz-smiley
hug, Brandi
Bindian,
I love the Jet planer! I have the helical head and once I got it set up properly, it works flawlessly. I've run over 8,000 board feet through it so far and it really does a nice job. I haven't had to change the cutters yet but that is probably due to doing mostly pine. You have to keep the table waxed thoroughly for the boards to run through smoothly.
I port the chips through a Harbor Freight dust collector and out to my 16K dump trailer. I made a bin to dump the chips. Each trailer load is about 9 yards of chips.
Sweet! What Harbor Freight dust collector do you use? I was thinking the one in the store on display might be too small.
I have a 5hp helical Grizzly planer.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: doc henderson on July 01, 2020, 08:03:51 AM
cranking out some nice wood and projects Brandi!
Thanks Doc. I have not been working due to voluntary Covid 19 time off. So I am getting into the grove of cutting. Sending my first box of blades to Woodmizer Resharp today.
SWA is giving voluntary retirements with 12 months pay and 12 months paid medical and dental. I signed up for it. I will know next month if it is approved. I turn 62 next month. So I could retired anywhere from August to Oct, depending on the company.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on July 01, 2020, 09:19:44 AM
Brandi,
Looks good. If anybody steals it I'd first check with the local ER to see if anybody reported recently with back problems. :D
Thanks WV!
I am gonna add braces to the bench and legs to keep them together if water tries to move it. It will be placed in a scenic area by a gully at the back of my property. We have had some deep water there before.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Bindian on July 01, 2020, 01:39:43 PM
Quote from: EOTE on July 01, 2020, 09:28:06 AM
Quote from: Bindian on July 01, 2020, 12:22:33 AM
EOTE,
How do you like that JET planer? Also, with that clean floor and all those vacuum ducts, where do you dance on Saturday night? taz-smiley
hug, Brandi
Bindian,
I love the Jet planer! I have the helical head and once I got it set up properly, it works flawlessly. I've run over 8,000 board feet through it so far and it really does a nice job. I haven't had to change the cutters yet but that is probably due to doing mostly pine. You have to keep the table waxed thoroughly for the boards to run through smoothly.
I port the chips through a Harbor Freight dust collector and out to my 16K dump trailer. I made a bin to dump the chips. Each trailer load is about 9 yards of chips.
Sweet! What Harbor Freight dust collector do you use? I was thinking the one in the store on display might be too small.
I have a 5hp helical Grizzly planer.
hugs, Brandi
Brandi,
I have the basic 1 -1/2 hp. version. I don't use the dust collector bag and filter much as I ported it directly into my dump trailer. My dump trailer holds 9 cubic yards of chips and fills up quickly when planing boards. I would be exhausted trying to empty the removable bag all the time with the amount of chips I've generated. To give you an idea, the 6,000 bf of shiplap generated 3 trailer loads of chips and sawdust. Keep that in mind when setting up your planer and dust collector.
Setting up the trusses this morning. I devised a pallet jack system to move and set. 8) 8)
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Quote from: tule peak timber on July 01, 2020, 04:07:41 PM
Setting up the trusses this morning. I devised a pallet jack system to move and set. 8) 8)
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That's a pretty boss build you have going. Nice work!
Looks pretty impressive without metal plate connectors
It is my office, but there will be a guest house in the back for clients that visit.
As far as the connectors-nothing exposed and gentle curves on the timbers , here and there.There are three big jobs that will run through the real estate before I can shut in, The Mingei Museum counters, the New Natural Resources Headquarters wall , and the gates to hell (big wooden gates). I just don't have room in my shop for this years projects. :D
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I decided to saw some walnut bench legs out of a short piece I had on the yard - about 4' long. I was also experimenting with a 3 legged stool out of a poplar cookie. I used some ash legs I cut yesterday was concerned they might have sat too long. Turns out they had as they snapped off at the connection when I went to cut them to length so instead of punching or drilling them out I'll just try again later but I see my ash is going in the firewood pile. I got 9 each 4' 9/4 X 9/4 bench legs which will make 3-4 more walnut benches.
When I finished I prepped the mill and moved it to the front lot and gave it a good bath, changed the air filter (which came in today) and washed the particularly nasty prefilter then loaded up the truck for a 3 log mobile job 44 miles away on Friday.
Quote from: EOTE on July 01, 2020, 03:13:26 PMBrandi,
I have the basic 1 -1/2 hp. version. I don't use the dust collector bag and filter much as I ported it directly into my dump trailer. My dump trailer holds 9 cubic yards of chips and fills up quickly when planing boards. I would be exhausted trying to empty the removable bag all the time with the amount of chips I've generated. To give you an idea, the 6,000 bf of shiplap generated 3 trailer loads of chips and sawdust. Keep that in mind when setting up your planer and dust collector.
So you are just using it to vacuum (shoot?) the dust and chips into your trailer? How long a run is it from planer to outlet at the trailer?
hugs, Brandi
I didn't cut much today, as I took a friend to the doctor. I was able to cut another rotten Red Oak log into 12 inch wide boards. I think the 3 of these would make a great table top with acrylic fillings. I can't figure what price to put on them. Any ideas on price would be appreciated.
hugs, Brandi
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Quote from: WV Sawmiller on July 01, 2020, 08:08:37 PMI decided to saw some walnut bench legs out of a short piece I had on the yard - about 4' long. I was also experimenting with a 3 legged stool out of a poplar cookie. I used some ash legs I cut yesterday was concerned they might have sat too long. Turns out they had as they snapped off at the connection when I went to cut them to length so instead of punching or drilling them out I'll just try again later but I see my ash is going in the firewood pile. I got 9 each 4' 9/4 X 9/4 bench legs which will make 3-4 more walnut benches.
I like the 3 legged stool, looks cool. Sorry you snapped a leg. I am still trying to find an easy and safe way to cut those legs. Doing it on the mil is very tricky and I have had the blade grab a few.
I am wondering how that poplar cookie behaves for a seat? Doesn't it check and crack like everything else, or is it stable? I have a couple of those logs and might give it a try. Maybe I should try it on pine?
As for me, today was tamater stakes;
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OGH,
Yes the poplar 8/4 cookie already had a check in it and one of the mortises was not very clean which was another reason I ditched it when the leg snapped rather than attempt to repair/replace the legs. I'll try again as I think it has good potential. I also think they may also be a prime candidate for epoxy to strengthen and reinforce the wood. I don't have any experience using epoxy so I don't know if you could apply it on green/fresh cut wood or have to wait and just repair the crack when they appear. Seeing the crack is helpful in deciding where to put the mortises. This also looks like a real good candidate for a jig to get the 60 degree (Wait! guess that should be 120 degree) angles. I'll try again. Its like making benches - you learn each time and hopefully the next one will be better than the last.
@Bindian (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=17364) , they are worth what ever someone will pay, depending on your market. it takes a special kind of woodworker to see the beauty in the more natural and rustic pieces. In rough form, I would throw out a number like $300. but if dried, planed, or made into a river table top, the number would keep gong up. they are great looking and have a lot of character. I hope you find them a home. and make something for you time and equipment. remember, I am a hobby guy and do not charge for my stuff, so maybe others will chime in. but I also hate to give a non answer. :) cheers!
they look to be about 7 feet long? that is 21 sq. feet, and if 1.5 inches thick. about 42 board feet, and for oak at 1.50 per board foot, that is 63 bucks. given the character I think they are worth more to the right person.
Quote from: tule peak timber on July 01, 2020, 04:07:41 PMetting up the trusses this morning. I devised a pallet jack system to move and set.
How do you do those cuts so perfectly? I kicking around the idea to do a new sawmill shed with teak wood and would love to know how to make the joints
We are using a combination of portable band saw, big and small circular saws, a power mortiser, and lastly a small hand saw.Getting all the joints as tight as possible is tricky and takes a bit of trim work -here and there.I also took the step of making templates of all the parts from a full sized drawing.
A lot of reading on the internet prior to starting this first time out.
A shout out to Don P for his PM's and advise prior to designing the joints. This forum is a GREAT resource for study before starting a build like this. Rob
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I cut the material for the porch roof @ camp. A new pellet grill will find a home under it.
Have a great weekend.
Quote from: Bindian on July 01, 2020, 09:43:41 PM
Quote from: EOTE on July 01, 2020, 03:13:26 PMBrandi,
I have the basic 1 -1/2 hp. version. I don't use the dust collector bag and filter much as I ported it directly into my dump trailer. My dump trailer holds 9 cubic yards of chips and fills up quickly when planing boards. I would be exhausted trying to empty the removable bag all the time with the amount of chips I've generated. To give you an idea, the 6,000 bf of shiplap generated 3 trailer loads of chips and sawdust. Keep that in mind when setting up your planer and dust collector.
So you are just using it to vacuum (shoot?) the dust and chips into your trailer? How long a run is it from planer to outlet at the trailer?
hugs, Brandi
That's what I did this winter when I was planing lumber to line the inside walls of my shop. I have a stationary cyclone dust collector that's plumbed to all the equipment in the shop but I also have a smaller dust collector on casters that I can move around. No cyclone or bags on the moveable one. I just set it up near the door and ran 4" rigid ducting out to the dump trailer parked just outside. It's a 12' dump trailer and I filled it up 3-4 times. Like EOTE said it doesn't take long with planer shavings.
I stepped up the duct size to 6" with a whye where it blows into the trailer to cut down the velocity of air so it didn't have such a tendency to blow all over the place. Every once in a while I'd need to use a scoop shovel and push the chips to the other side of the trailer since it doesn't fill evenly. On windy days it would make a bit of a mess in the driveway but I was pretty happy with it. Will do it that way again for big projects.
Alan
Quote from: alan gage on July 02, 2020, 09:38:00 AM
Quote from: Bindian on July 01, 2020, 09:43:41 PM
Quote from: EOTE on July 01, 2020, 03:13:26 PMBrandi,
I have the basic 1 -1/2 hp. version. I don't use the dust collector bag and filter much as I ported it directly into my dump trailer. My dump trailer holds 9 cubic yards of chips and fills up quickly when planing boards. I would be exhausted trying to empty the removable bag all the time with the amount of chips I've generated. To give you an idea, the 6,000 bf of shiplap generated 3 trailer loads of chips and sawdust. Keep that in mind when setting up your planer and dust collector.
So you are just using it to vacuum (shoot?) the dust and chips into your trailer? How long a run is it from planer to outlet at the trailer?
hugs, Brandi
That's what I did this winter when I was planing lumber to line the inside walls of my shop. I have a stationary cyclone dust collector that's plumbed to all the equipment in the shop but I also have a smaller dust collector on casters that I can move around. No cyclone or bags on the moveable one. I just set it up near the door and ran 4" rigid ducting out to the dump trailer parked just outside. It's a 12' dump trailer and I filled it up 3-4 times. Like EOTE said it doesn't take long with planer shavings.
I stepped up the duct size to 6" with a whye where it blows into the trailer to cut down the velocity of air so it didn't have such a tendency to blow all over the place. Every once in a while I'd need to use a scoop shovel and push the chips to the other side of the trailer since it doesn't fill evenly. On windy days it would make a bit of a mess in the driveway but I was pretty happy with it. Will do it that way again for big projects.
Alan
I park the trailer right out the door and use 5" flex hose to connect to the dust collector. What isn't shown in the picture is the hose to the trailer. It was down when I took this photo. My trailer has a debris net on it for hauling gravel so it helps to keep the chips from blowing out. I made a couple of side boards to mount on top of the trailer sides to minimize any gaps where the chips can blow out between the net and the trailer sides. I got the 5" flex hose from the big "A". It's a medium duty hose material in 25' lengths.
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Quote from: doc henderson on July 02, 2020, 06:59:52 AM
they look to be about 7 feet long? that is 21 sq. feet, and if 1.5 inches thick. about 42 board feet, and for oak at 1.50 per board foot, that is 63 bucks. given the character I think they are worth more to the right person.
They are 8 foot long. I put them on HOU craigslist.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: tule peak timber on July 02, 2020, 08:44:37 AM
We are using a combination of portable band saw, big and small circular saws, a power mortiser, and lastly a small hand saw.Getting all the joints as tight as possible is tricky and takes a bit of trim work -here and there.I also took the step of making templates of all the parts from a full sized drawing.
A lot of reading on the internet prior to starting this first time out.
A shout out to Don P for his PM's and advise prior to designing the joints. This forum is a GREAT resource for study before starting a build like this. Rob
I know it's not easy to do, now i see that i would need to much tools. maybe i can Mc Guyver up with a hand circle saw and a hand mortiser, thats all i got, or the chainsaw but that would go near carving and i'm definitively no pro in that.
Respectfully, you can do precision joinery with hand tools -it just takes a long time. Another option is to employ more labor force and you manage them.
Another option is to bring in a timber framing team that will build to a cost/bid.
A hand circle saw, a sawsall, an arbortech tool, some augers...........Develop your own system :) :) :)
You're a mortiser ahead of where I started but I had you beat by a chisel :D. Just about every old farm auction has some timberframing tools from that generation, they used what they knew and had. More tools just make you more efficient.
Quote from: doc henderson on June 22, 2020, 03:55:56 PM
they call it boiled, but now that means it has toxic chemical in it to help it dry. confusing. good luck. even wally mart should carry it in the paint section by the gallon. used in some paint applications, to add and help flow. the drying agents are metals and toxic so not to use on "food safe" applications. "unboiled" linseed oil is safe but may remain tacky for some time.
Be very careful with linseed oil. It can cause "spontaneous combustion".
Contaminated Cotton rags can "cook off" a few hours after you have discarded them. Saw a demonstration of this at an Offshore Firefighting training course a few years ago.
Quote from: tule peak timber on July 02, 2020, 07:41:02 PM
Respectfully, you can do precision joinery with hand tools -it just takes a long time. Another option is to employ more labor force and you manage them.
Another option is to bring in a timber framing team that will build to a cost/bid.
A hand circle saw, a sawsall, an arbortech tool, some augers...........Develop your own system :) :) :)
No such thing as qualified labor here, so i have to do it myself. Time is no problem, we don't stress out that much as the first world, i learned that by now, living here.
Timber framing teams don't exist, i could try to get a carpenter from Switzerland who wants to vacation here and help me out for a week, there are always young people who travel/work.
this are some useful tools! didn't knew them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO2hsjLC7Ko (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO2hsjLC7Ko)
I've seen some of your furniture and millwork build posts,,,,,you will do just fine tackling the timber framing job. I might add Google timber frame joints, for some metal connection ideas--or make your own metal joints with a welder. Do some reading on the threads here and go for it. Cheers !
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I drove 44.3 miles to saw this whalloping big whack of 3 :D logs today. The biggest one was a pine about 22" SED and 10' long. The other 2 were RO logs 8' long and about 20 & 18 inch SED. Before I could saw it the customer's son decided he wanted 2' off the big end of the smaller (closest in picture) log so I further reduced that to 6' long. I sawed the pine into wide 8/4 boards mostly about 20-22 inches wide - they were about all that would fit through the blade rollers. The RO I sawed into 5/4 wide boards and lightly edged them - left a little wane on most of them at customer request. The tally still ended up around 451 bf. I did not scale them too closely as my minimum travel and set up fee applied since there was less than 1,000 bf total.
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The customer, wife and grown son (and apparently Bill the next door neighbor :D) were very happy especially with the pine which they just oohed and aaahed over. Apparently the oak was planted as a present to the customer by his kids about 25 years ago so it was a nostalgia type job.
I only had 1.3 engine hours on the mill and I thought I was really crawling as I did not want to jump over the knots and the logs/boards were wide. I was using new WM 4 degree DH blades. It was a little difficult set up because the site (Customer's front yard) was so steep. I dug in the back two (not the end) landing gear about 6" so the tops were lower than the rails and the tail end was only about 6" above the ground. The front was jacked up 6"-8" and I could barely reach/engage the clutch lever on the logs at max height/first cut. The logs were downhill and I had to use my Magic Hook on the first two/bigger logs. I had a real good time and made new friends.
Bill, the neighbor came over while I was sawing and wanted to know if there was any money in this kind of work. I told him there could be but for me it was basically a cost-neutral hobby.
I stopped about 3/4 mile above my house and got out with my wife's baby EZ start Sthil 180 chainsaw (Only one I can crank in my current condition) and sawed off 3-4 limbs/tops out of a maple that fell over a week partially blocking our road to town. I should send my bill to the county. ::)
What a nice straight Ash log!
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DOH!!
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I ended up cutting the butt end 17' into a beam, and the upper 8.5' into 2x8's. It's a little warm out here! :-[
Brad, that is hilarious
I had to get my digging tools out today. The blade made an "almost" hit steel sound and then dipped about an inch. I shut her down and put a new blade to finish the cut. Once I got the cut open, there was a chunk of lead. I figure it was a 9mm, as it was about 3/8 diameter buried in the SYP. My first bullet.
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My weekend plans changed at the last minute, so I threw everything cut from yesterday and today on the pallet and moved it inside the barn.
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Tomorrow I'm off to my daugher's house.
I also stickered some Red Oak ovals. Don't know what to do with them, but didn't want them to burn.
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hugs, Brandi
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on July 03, 2020, 04:54:07 PM
The biggest one was a pine about 22" SED
WV,
What does SED stand for? ??? It ain't in the Lumberjack Lingo dictionary. say_what
hugs, Brandi
Happy 4th of July everyone! usflag
hugs, Brandi
Small End Diameter
Small end diameter seems cool. Happy 4th .
Quote from: Brad_bb on July 03, 2020, 09:03:06 PM
What a nice straight Ash log!
:D :D :D :D Yep, the sawmill bed sure will make a straight log crooked in a hurry.
Quote from: Brad_bb on July 03, 2020, 09:03:06 PM
What a nice straight Ash log!
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DOH!!
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I ended up cutting the butt end 17' into a beam, and the upper 8.5' into 2x8's. It's a little warm out here! :-[
Thanks for the sawmill humor.
GAB
I recently helped my cousin with his bar at the lake cabin they are building. they are living in the shop apartment, and the bar is in the man cave. he thought I had showed him a live edge oak slab, that I said he could have. It did have some wane, but most was straight at 23 inches wide. so I got an old sycamore log i was worried about anyway, and cut a few 2 inch slabs. took a couple from the middle and sawed the back edges straight, and got rid of some punky wood. so this is live edge spalted book-matched quarter sawn sycamore.
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first cut
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a little trim
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side by side widest at 44 inches. there will be a miter at the far end. the straight edge will be the back of the bar.
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a little figure, some is distracted by the spalting and other character in the wood.
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i usually do not do the obligatory wood "glam" shot with water but since it is the fourth! usflag
no way am i puttin Vaseline on my phone lens. :)
Purr,,deee ! 8)
I sawed this cherry 3 headed thing on Friday it had some Nice grain.
Did 2 other cherry logs also.
Got them all sold to one customer. I didn't get pictures yet of the sawn products all 5/4 and 8/4 live edge.
When I was cleaning and stickering Smiley took my spot at the mill controls :laugh:
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@WDH (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=4370) tell me about drying sycamore. the slabs did not feel too heavy, but tested at 32% the max of my pin-less meter. with spalting and a little punky wood, I am hoping it will dry faster. wish i could take it to his place and lay it up on the bar and let it dry there. i assume it needs to be stickered and weighed down. I hope the quatersawn will be more stable. but close to the pith, I am not sure.
@doc henderson (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=41041) ,
That 6th picture (Book matched pair) has a bat hiding in the lower end. :D
that is what I saw too. was waiting to see if everyone saw it... did not want to steal your thunder!!! ;)
Doc, that dog will hunt. Until I realized you edged them, I was trying to figure out how you cut such a wide slab with you mill.
Quote from: teakwood on July 03, 2020, 08:22:41 AM
Quote from: tule peak timber on July 02, 2020, 07:41:02 PM
Respectfully, you can do precision joinery with hand tools -it just takes a long time. Another option is to employ more labor force and you manage them.
Another option is to bring in a timber framing team that will build to a cost/bid.
A hand circle saw, a sawsall, an arbortech tool, some augers...........Develop your own system :) :) :)
No such thing as qualified labor here, so i have to do it myself. Time is no problem, we don't stress out that much as the first world, i learned that by now, living here.
Timber framing teams don't exist, i could try to get a carpenter from Switzerland who wants to vacation here and help me out for a week, there are always young people who travel/work.
this are some useful tools! didn't knew them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO2hsjLC7Ko (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO2hsjLC7Ko)
Those tools are incredible! I always figured guys used top carry chainsaws with 1/4" profile chains to cut mortises and tenons.
such a great day. fireworks are not for everyone. will do some tonight. put them up on a couple saw horses, and roughed in a miter.
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note the can in a Milwaukee cuzzie. seems to support the weight.
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bartenders side of the operation!
Quote from: tule peak timber on July 03, 2020, 08:35:48 AM
I've seen some of your furniture and millwork build posts,,,,,you will do just fine tackling the timber framing job. I might add Google timber frame joints, for some metal connection ideas--or make your own metal joints with a welder. Do some reading on the threads here and go for it. Cheers !
Thanks for the compliment, i watched some framing videos, interesting stuff! Scissor joint so you can lengthen a beam, impressive
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkgA5RZQc_s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkgA5RZQc_s)
First i thought of concrete foundation and a concrete pillar up to 1m than a teak 6x6 and then some framing joints to stabilize the side movements of the roof. Nice for the eye, but way to complicated.
Instead i cut some ironwood pillars roundwood around 16"+ and bury them 1.2m(4') into the ground and throw some length and width beams over them and i got my structure. rustic, after all it's a sawmill shed
Doc,
Nice. Sycamore will sticker stain so good air flow is important. A fan would be a big help. Then weight on top and time, time, time.
Quote from: teakwood on July 04, 2020, 07:44:18 PM
Quote from: tule peak timber on July 03, 2020, 08:35:48 AM
I've seen some of your furniture and millwork build posts,,,,,you will do just fine tackling the timber framing job. I might add Google timber frame joints, for some metal connection ideas--or make your own metal joints with a welder. Do some reading on the threads here and go for it. Cheers !
Thanks for the compliment, i watched some framing videos, interesting stuff! Scissor joint so you can lengthen a beam, impressive
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkgA5RZQc_s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkgA5RZQc_s)
First i thought of concrete foundation and a concrete pillar up to 1m than a teak 6x6 and then some framing joints to stabilize the side movements of the roof. Nice for the eye, but way to complicated.
Instead i cut some ironwood pillars roundwood around 16"+ and bury them 1.2m(4') into the ground and throw some length and width beams over them and i got my structure. rustic, after all it's a sawmill shed
I'm a fan of simple old half lap. :)
Quote from: teakwood on July 04, 2020, 07:44:18 PMThanks for the compliment, i watched some framing videos, interesting stuff! Scissor joint so you can lengthen a beam, impressive
That particular scarf is usually used to lengthen a post. From about 10 minutes on he is giving a great demonstration of kerfing a joint to fit
This would be a good scarf for lengthening a beam, at about 4:30 he is kerfing again to fit the joint.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j-U1P49r8U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j-U1P49r8U)
I like to prefab bolstered post and brace assemblies then butt the beams over the bolster with a post tenon running through everything. Not conventional timberframing, closer to mill type construction but it works well.
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Boy , nice looking ,,,but beyond my pay grade :D
So Don, do you glue that joint?
No its all mechanical. I think hoof and hide glues were about all that was available when these joints were developed. Watch some japanese timberframing videos if you really want to see some mind blowing joinery :)
https://www.archdaily.com/796918/these-mesmerizing-gifs-illustrate-the-art-of-traditional-japanese-wood-joinery (https://www.archdaily.com/796918/these-mesmerizing-gifs-illustrate-the-art-of-traditional-japanese-wood-joinery)
You were not kidding about Japanese joinery.
Is Sycamore the same as Sweet Gum? I have tons of Sweet Gum.
hugs, Brandi
No. They are unrelated species.
Honey locust
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Trapper, Is the yellow bucket the lube tank? Glad to see you are still milling.
yes empty cat litter bucket from daughter. Use another for the control cable for the electric winch that replaced the manual one on the lt30. Waterproof and cheap.
Quote from: Jim_Rogers on May 27, 2020, 11:07:51 AM
Last Thursday, I brought the mill back from the dealership in Maine.
The told me that the valve cover had a crack in it and it would leak oil.
So don't run it full time. They replaced the cracked cover. It arrive here on Tuesday, and I put it on right away.
Today, I had my first job scheduled to resaw some wide pine planks from a barn into whatever I could get out of them. But basically in half.
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some of them were wide like this and some were narrower.
50 minutes into the job, with two pieces left to cut, the drive belt (brand new one) fell off the drive pulley.
I had to take the cover off and put it back on.
I am assuming that the "new" brake strap they installed has slipped and allowed the tenon on the belt to be less that prefect. I say that because when I clutched down the blade would spin a while; not stop quickly like it should.
Customer was happy and gave me a tip.
Jim Rogers
In the above post, I stated that the drive belt fell off 45 minutes into the job.
Since then I haven't been sawing much due to health reasons. Pinched nerve in my neck and shoulder issues.
Yesterday, I took all the rest of the guards off the mill to adjust the brake strap.
During the installation of the new 25 hp Kohler engine the tech at WM Maine told me he installed a new brake strap as my old one was pretty worn out.
I knew from previous experience that when the drive belt falls off after powering down from a cut it is because the brake strap is too loose. Learned that from WM many years ago.
To understand where the new strap has to be to make it right so that the drive belt doesn't fall off, I inspected the clamp that holds the brake strap.
I found that one of the two bolts on the clamp was kind of loose. Not as tight as I would like it to be.
I loosen up the clamp and pulled the brake strap through a little more.
To understand where it was and how much I had pulled it through the clamp, I used a red sharpy marker and drew a line on the leather/fabric brake strap.
I then tightened the clamp and tried it. Watch for how loose the drive belt was.
Then adjusted it more.
Until it was too much and then backed it off just a little till it was "just right."
As many of you may know, this also effect the throttle linkage cable.
Lifting the engine plate by shortening the brake strap causes the engine to idle at a higher rate of rpm.
With a minor adjustment to the cable bracket, I managed to get the idle RPMs to the right level.
I have removed my old tachometer from the dead engine and installed it on the new Kohler and it works great now.
Here is a shot of the brake strap with the red lines:
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The first line, closest to the end of the strap was where it was when I took off the guards.
The second line was were I tested it and found it was not enough.
The third line is under the clamp and not visible.
But having these lines on there for the future inspections will tell me if my strap has shifted.
I just thought I'd write this up for you to see how to adjust your brake strap.
Jim Rogers
Today it was very humid and 91F. It was pretty miserable in the sun. Luckily I was in and out of the building AC a number of times, and thus took breaks and drank plenty of water. In between that I milled this one. The longest/largest I had - 25ft Ash. I pulled this one out of the edge of the woods last summer using two logrite arches, one on each end.
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Much straighter than the last one.
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You can see I already made 3 passes on this one.
I made it into a 10.5"x16" beam.
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The side boards are in the pile on the right. I'll edge them tomorrow Thurs. into 2x8.75 for my T&G for the barn stalls(pile on the left). Nice boards.
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Hi all. I also have been sawing ash the last couple of days but nothing as long as Brad's. Four 8' logs and one 5' with a crotch. The lumber was very good and very white (almost no heartwood)
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The short log I sawed into live edge slabs.
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AND THEN THERE WAS THIS LOG!
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I cut this tree down a few days ago. There was nothing unusual about the cutting of it, there was nothing unusual about the way it fell but when it was down there was this huge crack in the butt log. I was so annoyed I thought about bucking it up for firewood. But I ended up sawing it on the mill and got some good lumber from it.
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All in all I got a nice little stack of very nice lumber from those ash logs.
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All the best.....Cutter
That's some fine lumber cutter.
I have some Nice ash lumber.
Good price on it , but no ones buying ash for some reason.
That is some clean looking grade ash cutterboy! Good thing you're cutting it pretty fresh. Best quality.
Interesting, but I rarely get any calls for ash.
Quote from: trapper on July 06, 2020, 03:14:26 PM
Honey locust
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How did this honey locust do? I cut one last weekend, first for me, and it had more stress than any log I've ever cut. Had one board pop open a 4' long split right as the band exited the log. No matter was direction the log was turned, board were bowing 2"+ off the cant. I was also extremely heavy and I won't be in a hurry to cut more of it, I know that.
I am not trapper, but it is a pretty wood. and like the prettiest girl in HS, a little fickle. :D :D :D. It is the devil wood in Ks. as @WDH (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=4370) likes to refer to Hickory.
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We had a strong downdraft wind storm a couple weeks ago. 15 trees were snapped off 25' up or uprooted. I needed some more 1x8x8' roof planks for my sawmill shed addition. Three white pine logs were salvaged (only pine I have on property which my wife and I planted from seedlings 45 years ago).
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This log must of had the Covid ::)
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This is the first pine I have sawn. Man is this stuff STICKY!!
But it sure saws fast and flat. The first board I took off the mill almost floated right up out of my hands. Nothing like sawing the white oak posts.
Snotty pine? :-\
"Snotty Pine" :D I like that and I'm gonna steal it. ;D I have been sawing more of this lately and know enough by now to put a pair of gloves on before I start and consider them "done' when I am finished. Try as I might, I still wind up with it on my arms and washing up that night is a chore. Worst part is when you slip your grab and wind up shoving your hip against the end of the log or board. Tough to get out of the clothes, and if you sit on it, it's much worse. ;D
But it's great wood and mills wonderfully. I have not had the issues with loaded bands as some had complained of. I put pine-sol in the tank when I mill it and once ina while a shot of WD-40 on the blade running at speed if it needs it.
I sawed a WP for a neighbor one time and he was cutting down more trees as I was sawing the ones already down so I sawed one with a crotch that had been standing 30 minutes earlier. When I hit that crotch I thought I had sawed into a bee tree. I bet there was well over a pint of dark sap that poured out.
I've hit a few of those, actually put a jar under one that was flowing and got a good half pint and probably lost that much more. Structural grading wise when you see "massed pitch" stop and figure out why, there is usually a break or some kind of serious defect in the wood there.
Bandmills don't know the fun they are missing with pine. On a circle blade it is slinging a mist of pitch up and over you. If I forget to wear a hat I don't need any dippity doo :D
A tip I learned with conifer sap is to use vegetable oil on a towel and it will wipe right off. I run canola oil in my CSM, so plenty of it on hand which is nice since most of my trees are Balsam Fir with resin throughout the bark. It's hard to touch any trees on my property and not get sap on your hands! I also have a water bottle and tubing which dribbles soapy water on my chain which keeps it clean and cool while I mill. Perhaps a similar setup would be nice on a band mill and prevent so much of the sap from getting everywhere. My stihl pickaroon has a brown handle from all of the balsam resin, essentially free varnish! Whenever I handle wood I always grab a pair of Atlas Showa nitrile coated gloves, which I buy in bulk. These are the only gloves I've found that are economical and put up with the abuse of firewood.
I use two pair of gloves when sawing pine. One old pair that are easy to put on an off to load, flip over and offbear and a pair of better gloves to run the machine. I only cleaned the handles and touched parts on the mill once before i learned the 2 pair option ;D.
Quote from: Ed_K on July 11, 2020, 08:24:28 AM
I use two pair of gloves when sawing pine. One old pair that are easy to put on an off to load, flip over and offbear and a pair of better gloves to run the machine. I only cleaned the handles and touched parts on the mill once before i learned the 2 pair option ;D.
You could do it army style with leather glove shells and cotton inserts.
I took a break and the dog ate my Forestry Forum cap that I got at the PR last year. A Twenty Dollar chewy.
My first of 4 loads of black locust logs came in today.
I'm hoping to capitalize on the shortage of pressure treated lumber in my area.
Post,fence post and decking
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Oh ya,
There was 2 poplar logs on top to finish a order for barn repair.
The American Teak :)
Check this out Bruno;
https://robidecking.com/ (https://robidecking.com/)
Good for you Bruno!! 8)
Is this the first time? When buying does one deal with the hidden heart decay that sometimes happens in locust- sometimes hollow full of ants in my experience? Not trying to be negative.
Dennis,
They brought me 3 one ton loads 2 weeks ago.
The hartwood was all solid in that stuff.
I didn't get a chance to look the log truck load over very well yet.
This stuff comes from a lot on the Connecticut river.
I have my fingers crossed that it's all soild :D
What's not good I will sell as firewood.
Educating my firewood customers the right way, I can see getting $340 a cord for the black locust.
Don,
I had seen that site before.
I'm going to try the same approach with my marketing of this lumber.
Folks are always looking for an alternative to the chemicals in PT lumber.
That's a good strategy for the slabs and any nasty stuff -good luck with it.
Quote from: terrifictimbersllc on July 13, 2020, 08:30:35 PM
Good for you Bruno!! 8)
Is this the first time? When buying does one deal with the hidden heart decay that sometimes happens in locust- sometimes hollow full of ants in my experience? Not trying to be negative.
At least 40% of what I logged in north Missouri had hollow hearts. Just cut around it and go on your way. When buying, deduct for the heart.
I would be in seventh heaven if I could buy loads like that. Besides the green aspect there are other uses.
The land owner got told by a logger that black locust logs had no value.
Some folks around here just don't know what it is, I guess.
My brother in law is a logger and I have many friends in the business.
So loggers don't take offense to this please.
But some guys only want to cut veneer grade logs .
Everything else isn't worth it.
Ours are similar to Larry's so they are typically firewood value. I think I notice they seem to do better on sweeter soil.
@Magicman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=10011) , happy birthday old man! enjoy the day and slow down a little bit, enjoy life.
Quote from: Bruno of NH on July 13, 2020, 08:58:47 PM
Dennis,
They brought me 3 one ton loads 2 weeks ago.
The hartwood was all solid in that stuff.
I didn't get a chance to look the log truck load over very well yet.
This stuff comes from a lot on the Connecticut river.
I have my fingers crossed that it's all soild :D
What's not good I will sell as firewood.
Educating my firewood customers the right way, I can see getting $340 a cord for the black locust.
Locust is basically the best firewood, but it takes forever to dry. Do you have a lot of Tamarack available locally? Another good rot resistant wood. I made a post of out the top of one I cut down and it is still growing after driving it top down into the ground about a foot. A truck load of black locust would definitely be appreciated at my house, we burn mostly softwoods for heat and cooking for 3/4 of the year.
Finally attacking the spruce pile. This will be board and baton siding for my house.
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Alan
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More Pine. Have a order for 15 1X13X8 and 15 1X12X8.
Also 200 1X10X8 but I have run myself out of logs. More coming next week.
I had a very long but productive day. My neighbor kid/helper left me hanging but I muddled through. Loaded up yesterday and got to customer site 17 miles away by 0700. I had to slow down for a big male peacock in the road about 2 miles from the site. Beautiful location on top of a mountain and many layers of mountains available. He says he can see mountains in Virginia over 100 miles away on a clear day. He lives in a tree house about 10-12 feet above ground. Neat arrangement for the house to flex when the trees move. He says on a real stormy day you can almost get seasick. Great level, graveled spot in the shade ! Wow! His dad came about an hour later and helped stack and load logs. Very good client help.
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Good log pile - mostly ash. His buddy showing off. Some bad checking like the log in front by the cant hook but still got a good return of 2"X 3" strips he wanted.
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I am pretty sure these 2 pix are box elder. If you can confirm or correct me please chime in. This is the first box elder I have sawn and it sawed really good.
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A 16' ash with lots of curve became 10/4 LE for benches on his deck. I sawed a small 8' ash into 3X3s for posts.
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Assorted pieces including 2- beams (6X12X15 & 2X10X 12) which pump up your bf return pretty quick.
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And the Box Elder boards.
Finished 1207 bf by 1:00 pm then drove about 1.5 miles to his neighbor (a repeat customer) and sawed till after 7:00 pm on an hourly job. Many small scrappy logs including locust posts to saw into 4"X 4" and 2- 6"X 10" beams (the first out of a 15' crooked ash - I felt like a magician to pull that one off!)
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Pretty rough looking logs - yes that's the same dog. This customer and previous are friends and dad is partners in a business with this client and his dog came with him when they brought the big Branson tractor they co-own. No completed picture as client stack on the tractor forks and hauled them away as soon as he had a load so I billed it as an hourly job. Total for the 2 jobs, using my average sawing rate and engine hours for the 2nd job, was just under 1800 bf for the day.
I loaded up and took the mill to another site about 5 miles away where I will saw 4 nice walnut logs tomorrow then move again to saw some for me. I swapped the lady a 5X8 trailer load of short slabwood pieces for kindling for a walnut tree about 16" dbh and 3-4 logs. I'll unload the kindling tomorrow and saw the walnut and load on the trailer then pick it up this weekend when I go to the flea market.
The first job was a guy who met me and got my card at the flea market earlier this year, his partner piggy-backed on the sawing while I was nearby, the one tomorrow I met at the flea market and is a repeat customer and the lady who swapped the walnut for the kindling met me at the flea market a few weeks ago. As I have mentioned those trips are mostly advertising but they pay off in such work in the future - sometimes near, sometime far.
Well it looks like you had a pretty productive day. Considering the healing hand and some other aches and pains, that is pretty impressive.
Those flea market contacts seem to be paying off!
I have the same type of dog and he does the same thing. always stand on the trees, preferably the highest one(https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
looks like a blue healer. they like to be in charge, and are one man dogs.
Another long day although I did not start/meet the client till 10:00 am. He had 4 walnut logs to saw. One small 10' and the rest 8'. First I sawed some old dry barnwood for stickers and found one nail which knocked the set off a tooth.
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This was the butt log. Got some 16" wide boards off it.
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351 bf total yield
Turned out my next job was 2 doors down where a lady swapped me a load of slabwood kindling for several walnut logs. It was about 2:00 pm and just too hot to work so I unhooked and set up the mill then took a break till after 5:00. Spent way too much time unloading and stacking kindling.
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Here's the kindling.
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Here are the logs in the tall grass. I got them all sawed except one plus I will cut about 30" of the stump which is still standing. There were some very pretty 2" LE 8' & 10' slabs here. The small pieces I cut into 9/4 square stock for bench legs. It was too dark for a picture of the finished cut. I'll finish and bring the mill home tomorrow.
I would be replacing the grip on that Logrite. logrite_cool
Replacing Logrite Grip (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=97310.msg1501775#msg1501775)
Lynn,
I keep thinking about that and I remembered reading your write up where you did one. Its on the to-do but not urgent list right now.
One of the biggest hassles with this walnut was it had been down long enough for the bark to keep slipping. It was late and I was tired and ruined/devalued one slab with bark on the rail even after I checked it by raising the toeboard and wiping the rails clean. When I lowered it a thick piece of bark I had not seen slid back under there. I recut that slab to a thinner piece.
I went back after 5:00 pm to finish my last log and the stump. The log returned 4-5 total 8/4 LE slabs with a nice crotch on one end. Then I cut the stump off about 30" long and about 18-20 inch diameter. Easy to roll but too heavy for one old banged up sawyer to lift by himself so I used a magic hook trick with a couple of 6' long 1/4" chains with the clamp and one loader arm and eventually got it in place and barely across the rails. Got it level and clamped with a scrap piece between the side support to hold then cut a couple of slabs, skimmed a support enough I figure I knocked the set off then changed blades for the last 2 cuts. It started to rain then so I packed up and hooked up in a downpour and brought the mill home, unhooked and washed and covered it, then unloaded the tools and equipment, then came in and got a real welcome shower. I could not take a picture of the wood because of the rain. I will go back Sunday and bring the trailer load of wood back after my flea market shopping trip. I will cut the slabwood up into firewood and dump the sawdust in a stump hole and once the wood is stacked and stickered I will be done. It will turn out to be a very profitable trade but will take a while to realize all the return. I estimate 250 bf or so of walnut which I sell for $5/bf or 3-4 times that if I make them into benches.
Edited for clarity for our Mississippi brethren.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on July 16, 2020, 10:23:21 PM....then came in and got a real welcome shower. I could not take a picture....
I really didn't want to see a picture of you taking a shower anyway!!! :o
Lynn,
I think that last piece of birthday cake had gone bad on you and it is messing with your mind. :D Stay safe, stay cool.
My mind?? You wrote it, I just read and quoted it!! :D :D
Okay. I admit it my mind has been fried in the heat and my brain is still a little (?) rattled after my ATV trip down the mountain side so you'd think my friends on the forum would cut you some slack. Wrong! Why would I ever think that. :D :D :D
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on July 17, 2020, 11:31:15 AMso you'd think my "friends" on the forum would cut you some slack.
Maybe your "friends" are the only ones that are keeping both feet on the ground and keeping you propped up. Anyway you should know better than to get nekkid and even think about pictures. :-X :D
Use guys hav gotten off subject
doesn't anyone have more picts of big sawlogs? WV Sawlogger excluded.
JJ
No pictures but I looked at next week's job this afternoon. About 40-50 SYP logs that will be sawn into framing lumber. The best part was that it will be in the shade for the entire day.
We were supposed to be sawing a 98 mile away road trip but the customer texted last night saying that he will fall more trees so he won't be ready until August 10th. I'm glad because this will allow me to knock some of these small jobs out.
Again, no pictures but I visited 2 sites today. One is 2-3 day job for a couple from NH who bought a lot and are moving here. Nice folks and I will do the work when they finish a couple of things. It is a remote uncontrolled access and I told them a gate or cable blocking the road was a must unless they had someone close by I could stage the mill at the end of each day. They did not have such an option. While there a guy rode his ATV up and asked "Is the Hatfield McCoy ATV trail?" The trail is several miles away and he may have just been casing the site but the timing was good not just for me but for them too. These folks found me from my website.
On the way back I stopped at another site and the guy wants me to saw long (16') 6X8's for a cabin build. He started some with 6X10 and realized/decided too heavy to work with. That sawyer never returned to finish the job and this guy had watched me at a USDA demo last year. Another long term investment pays off. He showed me a big aspen log about 30' long. Evidently he has a patch of them on his place and he wanted them cut into wide boards for the floor. I told him I had never sawed aspen and thought there were issues with it. I looked up the specs on line and will advise against it the next time we talk.
Come on WV you been posting some good pics lately 😂
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
Yup, water and no pictures leads back to a previous conversation. ::) :D
:D :D :D
Howard, give up, you can't win.
:rifle: air_plane taz-smiley wheeliechair smiley_monkeyfight smiley_smash smiley_whip
Quote from: JJ on July 17, 2020, 07:35:16 PM
Use guys hav gotten off subject
doesn't anyone have more picts of big sawlogs? WV Sawlogger excluded.
JJ
Well, they aren't big but they are sawlogs. I know most of you don't fine pine very exciting but it's a rarity around here and when you find a couple small pine logs in the middle of a whack of dry knotty spruce it's very exciting. Stuff cuts like butter.
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(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/46602/pine2.jpg)I've been trying to do a little sawing after work every evening this week for board and baton siding for my house. It's slow going with small spruce logs. Lots of blade changes. Making 150-200bf/night. Will get there eventually. (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/46602/siding.jpg)Alan
You are missing 3 rows of stickers ;D.
Quote from: WDH on July 18, 2020, 08:42:27 PM
You are missing 3 rows of stickers ;D.
I knew someone would comment on that!
I did it that way last summer when I was cutting B&B siding for my shop since I was running out of stickers at the time. Hoped I could get by since it was all going to get nailed to a flat wall anyway. It turned out fine so I decided to try again. But now that I've made the pictures public it will probably all come off the stack crooked and wavy. :)
Alan
Quote from: WDH on July 18, 2020, 08:42:27 PM
You are missing 3 rows of stickers ;D.
Well, technically, they would be columns... ;) Rows go across. headscratch
Unless they are upside down rows.
Quote from: Magicman on July 16, 2020, 07:57:15 AM
I would be replacing the grip on that Logrite. logrite_cool
Replacing Logrite Grip (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=97310.msg1501775#msg1501775)
This is why I love this forum. That trick with the compressed air is great!
Sawing a little spruce the other day into slabs. Time to change the blade. Hard to believe this little hornet beehive was hanging in!! :o Managed to actually remove the old and install the new blade without disturbing them. I think one of them had an injured hand that looked a bit like WVSawmiller's :D :D (sorry, couldn't help it!) but just like him, they kept on working. All the best, Rob.
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My logger buddy has been sending me some pictures of big walnut he logged this week. When he texted me that he was heading my way I figured I would be getting something nice to saw.
Instead he drops off this junk! It was an obvious yard tree so I asked "Who's yard you steal that from?" He just smiled and said it came from the front yard. Great, I shouldn't find any clothes line eye bolts. On top of being a yard tree its pin oak.
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It did have some interesting grain and flake.
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It had the distinctive smell of shake, as I was sawing but I didn't see any evidence.
The good, 318 board foot in less than 20 minutes and I didn't hit nothing. All 9/4 live edge slabs.
Next time we have a thread about production I can say 950 bf an hour with a semi straight face. :D :D
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Black Cherry. New customer brought me some big for around here (21" at the stump) logs to saw into 1" and 2" slabs. Of course 2nd cut in I hit a nail. :D
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Ended up bucking the end off one of the logs to minimize sweep. Customer helped off bear, paid for 1 hour sawing, paid for a new blade, and even left me a tip. ;D
I went over and picked up my trailer load of walnut I cut last week - the one I swapped a load of slabwood kindling for the logs.
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This is the kindling - I cut my slabwood up into approximately 10-12 inch lengths.
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I started stacking it on a shelf in my shed today. These are 30" 8/4 LE slabs up to a little over 16" inside the bark cut from the stump.
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I stacked 4- 9.5" slabs from about 8-12 inches wide with a crotch on one end that I left off between the stump slabs and this picture. This is still to be stacked tomorrow. I got too hot, too dirty. too tired and too tired of knocking over other stacks of crib blocks, cookies, and lumber. It is hard work stacking heavy lumber by yourself. These are mostly 8/4 slabs and a few 9/4 square bench legs in the mix. There are really some pretty pieces in this load and it will turn out to be a very good trade. I did put a couple of tarps down to catch the sawdust which I dragged to an existing brushpile to be burned and I sawed the slabwood into 12" or shorter pieces for the lady to use for kindling or firewood. She got another couple of wheelbarrow loads out of that so she got more than she requested and as with any good barter, both parties came out ahead.
If a picture is worth a thousand words...
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(or why I still have a Lucas)
Wow! Looks like you got a raise, stepladder and office with a view :D.
What is it and how much did that yield?
Busy Busy weekend, this was my first time cutting this many slabs. Dad had his woods logged and part of these logs came from the tops of the walnut trees. The other half came from a friend who is starting a tree service, they were yard trees but I didn't hit any metal. 8) Oh and a couple cherry logs in the mix from the yard trees. All slabbed to 9/4. Also found a tree that the loggers forgot so Sunday I cut it down and cut it into some beautiful 4/4 lumber and a few slabs. Tried to cut the 4/4 like @YellowHammer (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=11488) talks about with very little/no white wood so it hopefully will behave when drying. Total for the weekend, 45 @ 9/4 walnut slabs, 6 @ 9/4 cherry slabs, and 112 bf 4/4 walnut. It was a hot one in NW Ohio this weekend. Oh and I got to replace my up/down motor Sunday morning because it died on the last cut we made on Saturday ::)
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That 4/4 looks sweet, it's so rare to see well trimmed green walnut, and it really makes a difference when drying, to result in very flat wood.
When you sticker it for air drying, sight down the boards, and alternate the layers bow up and bow down ()()() on the stack, and put lots of weight on it. I do that by putting other stacks of air drying wood on top of it.
@DWyatt (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=39164) ,
I like that second picture of the slab with a crotch that looks like a happy Bhuddah with his arms in the air. I bet you can sell that to a Chinese buffet if you try. ;D
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on July 20, 2020, 10:02:49 AM
@DWyatt (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=39164) ,
I like that second picture of the slab with a crotch that looks like a happy Bhuddah with his arms in the air. I bet you can sell that to a Chinese buffet if you try. ;D
When I took the opening cut off that piece, I held it up and ran to the slab pile as if I was running away from the mill with my arms in the air :D
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on July 20, 2020, 10:02:49 AM
@DWyatt (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=39164) ,
I like that second picture of the slab with a crotch that looks like a happy Bhuddah with his arms in the air. I bet you can sell that to a Chinese buffet if you try. ;D
Howard, you might want to back off that pain medicine just a little bit.😁 Tim
More progress today . Check out the guy up in the truss.
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I feel like I just took another step toward becoming a journeyed sawyer. I just got a request from a potential customer who would like to buy 3) 8/4 x 10x 12' that he looked at Saturday and wanted to know if I could rip each into 3 equal pieces of 3.5". Let me see...... 3 x 3.5=10.5 plus 2x kerf .. um, nope. ;D
You guys get this all the time, this is new for me. I am already tired of it, and it just started. :D
Very little sapwood in that walnut.
Quote from: Old Greenhorn on July 20, 2020, 05:20:44 PMI feel like I just took another step toward becoming a journeyed sawyer. I just got a request from a potential customer who would like to buy 3) 8/4 x 10x 12' that he looked at Saturday and wanted to know if I could rip each into 3 equal pieces of 3.5". Let me see...... 3 x 3.5=10.5 plus 2x kerf .. um, nope. ;D
You guys get this all the time, this is new for me. I am already tired of it, and it just started. :D
OGH,
You need to look back through the old threads here where the sawyer, I think it was @Banjo picker (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=8028) ) described adding a drip tank filled with wood glue and an hourglass looking container filled with screened, dry sawdust. As I remember when he resawed his lumber as you are describing above the glue dripped on the spinning blade then immediately picked up a load of sawdust and added the extra width on both sides of the resawed boards as a sort of reverse kerf. Sounds like if you set your mill up this way and made a couple passes like that you should end up with the 3- 3.5" pieces your customer is looking for.
I haven't actually tried that system and can't swear that it will work but either it will or Banjo was wrong - or maybe I got my meds mixed up again. ;) :D
Quote from: Old Greenhorn on July 20, 2020, 05:20:44 PM
I feel like I just took another step toward becoming a journeyed sawyer. I just got a request from a potential customer who would like to buy 3) 8/4 x 10x 12' that he looked at Saturday and wanted to know if I could rip each into 3 equal pieces of 3.5". Let me see...... 3 x 3.5=10.5 plus 2x kerf .. um, nope. ;D
You guys get this all the time, this is new for me. I am already tired of it, and it just started. :D
For many math is not a strong suit.
GAB
Get the laser option on your mill then you can take the job. :laugh:
TT,
I have enough trouble cutting the tips off my side supports with my blade. I can only imagine how much damage I could do with a lazer. :D
Quote from: GAB on July 20, 2020, 07:05:03 PM
For many math is not a strong suit.
GAB
Its OK. He went to Auburn.
Luke and I will be sawing pecker poles for a couple more days.
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16' SYP, nothing over ~14" butt, and all will be 2X4 & 2X6 framing lumber.
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Luke started the morning with a brand new leather waist apron.
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And this is how it looked at the end of the day. It did it's job very well indeed.
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Luke did a good job training the tailgunner trainees with the Logrites.
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Shoveling sawdust.
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And wirebrushing some dirt from the log.
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So I gave him some instructions on the sawmill control panel.
We sawed ~1200 bf today and will have about two more days on this job.
Some blue 2x4's and 2x6's....
Quote from: WDH on July 20, 2020, 09:09:45 PM
Quote from: GAB on July 20, 2020, 07:05:03 PMFor many math is not a strong suit.
GAB
Its OK. He went to Auburn.
Danny,
Why don't you go scratch a flea or redbug or clean whatever body parts those warty old UGA bulldogs are likely to clean. headscratch taz-smiley running-doggy :D
Quote from: WDH on July 20, 2020, 09:12:21 PMSome blue 2x4's and 2x6's....
Not beetle killed so no blue. These trees were removed when the customer cleared for his lake. This framing lumber will be used for the customer's cabin build.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on July 20, 2020, 09:44:29 PM
Quote from: WDH on July 20, 2020, 09:09:45 PM
Quote from: GAB on July 20, 2020, 07:05:03 PMFor many math is not a strong suit.
GAB
Its OK. He went to Auburn.
Danny,
Why don't you go scratch a flea or redbug or clean whatever body parts those warty old UGA bulldogs are likely to clean. headscratch taz-smiley running-doggy :D
Well, I don't know where he went to school (I think he has a degree in music education) his math didn't quite match up with mine. Either way we will get it straightened out in the end. He says I quoted him $20. a board, but he also said they were 12'. I have a lot of boards and I am not sure which ones he is referring to. But my price on a 12' 2x8 is $30. (1.50/BF). I will have to remeasure the boards I think he is talking about, I do not believe they were 12'.
As for the add on glue thing, no thanks. I can't imagine what the glue would do the the blade. ANd some folks think pine sap is bad. :D
WV hasn't your painkiller prescription run out yet? Seems like you may have been double dipping here and there.
Quote from: Don P on July 19, 2020, 11:27:27 PM
Wow! Looks like you got a raise, stepladder and office with a view :D.
What is it and how much did that yield?
Black Penda... tropical rainforest hardwood.... awfully hard wood really, and plenty of silica as well...not enough grunt in a lucas mill (or any other portable saw really) for deep cuts but... just nibble away at it and you'll get there: plenty bang for the buck on a big log anyway.
No idea on the yield, I never really keep track of individual log yeilds in hardwood unless we're doing a cut trial. One good log or bad log is neither here nor there - it's all about the average. He had a few shakes, estimate in the high 40's (%) recovery on a 4.5m3 log
That's right Magicman, put those kids to work! smiley_whip :D :D
But seriously, it's great to see kids taking an interest on what's going on around them and willing to get involved in it. Some kids are good workers....what they lack in strength they make up for in enthusiasm. Good for you Magicman, for taking the time to show the boy the workings of the mill. I'm sure he will remember for a long time the day the sawmill came to his house and sawed his logs into lumber. And he helped to do it!
I like this. I have been having trouble finding good dependable help when I should have done what the MagicMan does and just raised my own. The only issue I saw was those kids were confused about which LogRite to use. That's understandable - most of us would have suffered the same issue when offered such a confusing array to pick from.
My problem is I only have 3 local granddaughters and they believe manual labor is a Hispanic gardener or something and the other 2 are 200+ miles away. My only grandson is 3.5 years old and while I am sure he would love to help he's a little light to be turning logs and his attention span is somewhat lacking. I don't think we can find steel toed sandals in his size either.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on July 21, 2020, 09:07:12 AM
I like this. I have been having trouble finding good dependable help when I should have done what the MagicMan does and just raised my own. The only issue I saw was those kids were confused about which LogRite to use. That's understandable - most of us would have suffered the same issue when offered such a confusing array to pick from.
My problem is I only have 3 local granddaughters and they believe manual labor is a Hispanic gardener or something and the other 2 are 200+ miles away. My only grandson is 3.5 years old and while I am sure he would love to help he's a little light to be turning logs and his attention span is somewhat lacking. I don't think we can find steel toed sandals in his size either.
The trick is to find things they CAN do. My 4 y/o grandson was a huge help building a drying rack last week, he could hold up one end of the stringer while I nailed the other and hand me tools etc. We shop long and hard for work gloves in their sizes and buy them when we find them. I insist at least on sneakers for working with me, at this point they don't get into things that would crush or cut a boot. Those youngsters can really take the edge off a workday for me, but sometimes they create that edge. ;D
I envy OGH and the MagicMan being able to work with grandkids. I started helping dad when I was 6 and too small to do anything but carry water or such. Before I could drive he'd hire an adult helper to go with me to take me to the site. I knew and could do and supervise the work but could not get there legally.
When my brothers and left home for college and such Dad would hire local neighborhood kids as helpers. At first if they were real young he did not pay them much and would have them do tasks like hold one end of a tape measure while he measured a chain link fence location or such. As they got older and able to do more he would raise their pay accordingly. The first thing he would do would be to take them to our local shoe shop and get them a pair of steel toed shoes. As he said a kid can hand you a hammer or hold a tape as good as an adult. I don't know how many times during the day while working alone it would have saved me so much effort to have someone hand me a dropped tool or run get me another nail or hold that board till I got a permanent screw in place.
We had a rain event that stopped us today but we only have 24 more logs to saw so Luke and I should finish sawing this job tomorrow.
The customer told me this afternoon that all that his boys talked about last night was sawing and the sawmill. I believe that they were "star struck". The good thing is that they are putting "sweat equity" into their cabin build.
Just love seeing those boys working on the mill. I started out fixing garbage trucks with my neighbor when I was around 10. Fifty years later I can still remember the jobs we did.
Those boys will never forget their accomplishments.
Hi all. I have been sawing white pine the last few days. Nothing really special or unusual, just 4/4 and 8/4 boards for siding or whatever. I cut a lot of 12" wide in both thicknesses. I don't usually saw pine in the summer but because of circumstances I had to. I cut down two large and tall trees about five weeks ago. I sold 7 of the largest logs to a chainsaw carver and kept the rest for myself. My logs were stacked up off the ground so the bugs wouldn't get them and left till the sap dried out. They sawed very well and the pine pitch was not a problem.
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My next sawing project will be red maple.
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All the best.....Cutter
Trimming a table today.
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Man I love that saw, it cuts like a milling machine! Wish I owned one, but I do have one I can borrow when the need arises. It's a beast.
With a saw like that, you got tiny hands
Luke and I finished our Framing Lumber job today,
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But not before I demonstrated the proper way to side load/unload a log.
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WDH commented about blue Pine and I stated none, but in fact there is some but not due to beetles.
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These trees were removed when the customer built his lake last October so there is some mildew where they laid on the ground.
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They were not Plantation Pine but fairly old trees with tight grain and very little stress.
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We sawed 3661 bf of 2X4's and 2X6's in 2½ days, 435 of which were on the left and not pictured above.
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This guy was under the last 3 logs in the pile. :o
An unpleasant surprise.
We occasionally find rattlesnakes in the the most unexpected locations. Needless to say, situational awareness if you want to stay a player.............. ;D
Quote from: Magicman on July 22, 2020, 10:05:49 PMBut not before I demonstrated the proper way to side load/unload a log.
That must be photoshopped. Your range of skills is always amazing!!! :D :D :D
I have developed the skill and experience to load a log like that.
Me too!
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Mr Lynn
Your southern pine logs alway look to have some Nice tight grain.
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Seeing 12"-14" logs with 35 growth rings is very unusual here. 1/8" to 1/4" would be more the normal with 1/2"+ for Plantation Pine. These were very good logs.
I'm sure glad I've never dropped a log off the other side of my mill like that. ::) ::) ::)
Lynn, did you have grilled rattlesnake for supper?
Actually we got the logs and went our way and the Rattlesnake went it's way. The only thing that I got from it was it's picture. :o
Ivy league result there Cutterboy! :)
That Lynn has happened to me on occasion but only at the end of the day when you are hot and tired .
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on July 23, 2020, 09:06:44 AM
I'm sure glad I've never dropped a log off the other side of my mill like that. ::) ::) ::)
Mr. Green:
As accident prone as you appear to be it just must be in your bucket list.
Let us know when you get to that bucket list item.
GAB
Luckily rattle snakes are rare around here and I never dropped a log on the wrong side of my LT 40.
Only one of the above statements is factual.
You are a hardworking man and bringing up the grandson right.
Thanks for the comment richhiway. :)
We will be sawing my own lumber tomorrow and I have seen pictures of the Oak job that is scheduled for next week. :o
I took the mill to my next site 7 miles up the at 0700 and we finally got it jockeyed in between the trees and I set it up next to the log stack but we had thunderstorms threatening so I rescheduled to go back tomorrow. I love working sites that close to home. In between the storms I did get the last of my walnut unloaded and stacked on a shelf. Finally got my tally - 265+ bf of walnut for one 5X8 trailer load of 12" slabwood kindling.
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Those bottom slabs are 9.5' long and about 15" wide and 8/4 so they are pretty heavy and awkward for one old crippled up man to lift and stack but I am finally finished.
Now I just need to restack the walnut cookies and small craft pieces I had up there and the stacks of crib blocks I knocked over when I dropped a slab or two. ::)
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on July 23, 2020, 08:09:25 PM
Those bottom slabs are 9.5' long and about 15" wide and 8/4 so they are pretty heavy and awkward for one old crippled up man to lift and stack but I am finally finished.
Now I just need to restack the walnut cookies and small craft pieces I had up there and the stacks of crib blocks I knocked over when I dropped a slab or two. ::)
Glad this did not lead to a post in the Dumb things I did thread! Looks like they'd be heavy and awkward to heft up there. Alls well that ends well!
Of course, like OGH customer, they always want the one on the bottom. :(
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That's much better than mine. ;D
I have a plethora of these little guys around along with other friends.
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I DON'T LIKE IT!
Tule, did the little snake say "Peek-a-boo!"? Is it a harmless species? I've never seen a scorpion in person always having lived too far north. Creepy!
Thanks for sharing your pics, Rob.
Brad, with the exception of coral snakes, the native poisonous snakes of North America have round pupils while the poisonous (vipers) have vertically elipitical pupils. Sometimes it is tough to get close enough to see the blacks of their eyes but in Rob's pics it is no problem.
I attempted a post here yesterday evening but it is evidently with some of my socks that never came out of the dryer.
Yesterday morning my daughter and I had to go to the school's land lab to repair a fence and remove a tree that fell on it. While on that side of town I called my uncle who, the day before, told me that he had a couple of sycamore logs that I could get. The sycamore tree was in a city park in Mulberry, Fl, which is the town south of us. We worked out a plan to get the logs. Thankfully, I already had a chainsaw in the truck
When my daughter and I arrived it had just finished a torrential rain so I measured a useable amount out of the tree and promptly began breaking it down. The city employees had begun cutting it up the day before (the guy running the saw thought it was maple and had aspirations of turning a bat for his young son). Thankfully, a backhoe was nearby that was used to load my uncle's funky looking trailer. To my surprise the trailer handled the logs without any trouble. Initially, we were going to use his trailer to move the logs to his house, which is about a half mile away. Later in the day I would have had to bring the whole circus (our gooseneck, tractor, ramps and chains) and transfer the logs and haul them home. Using his trailer saved at least three hours.
Anyway, I need to read the Reverse Roll Quartersaw technique thread prior to sawing the butt log. A few pics are below.
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There was quite a bit of butt flare on the butt log and the 20" bar on my saw did not quite reach the center of the log.(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22883/109197B7-1705-4081-A0F0-76C3443CD929.jpeg?easyrotate_cache=1595532577)
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The 1" strap did a great job of securing the load for the ride across town in another thunderstorm. Really it was to pull the wooden fenders a bit to give 3/8" of clearance for the tires. I had given him this trailer frame and axles several years ago. He uses it for parades as well as a trailer. Its a goofy looking contraption.
This morning we will be sawing longleaf pine, which will be used for siding on my oldest daughter's and son in law's barn.
Caveman, I was reading your story expecting you were going to tell us you came across a snake in the tree. Was it sycamore?
Quote from: Brad_bb on July 24, 2020, 12:57:04 AM
Tule, did the little snake say "Peek-a-boo!"? Is it a harmless species? I've never seen a scorpion in person always having lived too far north. Creepy!
The young snake is a gopher snake , harmless. Like Lynn's snake we do get rattlers all the time that just seem to "show up"so we always watch where we put our hands. They show up at the log deck,the front porch,the garden, the carport-you never know.....
We have a couple types of scorpions and poisonous giant millipedes with very painful bites that I can testify to. These animals hide in voids in the logs and pop out during milling. The white scorpion came out of a mesquite log originating from near the Colorado river and was 5-6 inches long in his curled fighting stance. He is no longer with us.
Brad, yes, it was a sycamore. I was moving some pecky cedar slabs the other night and found a red rat snake inside of one.
We got the pine siding sawed this morning. Mostly clear, tight grained 10" wide longleaf.
Rob, I would hate to get stung by a scorpion the size of the one you described. The little ones around here hurt bad enough when they deal their misery.
John is going on a week's vacation so I may make a few new areas to stack lumber (we have a lot of longleaf logs that need to be sawn) and take some blades to get sharpened.
Yesterday I got first coat of finish on a pine table top and fabricated the stretcher for the base.
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The guys were on the mill making alder furniture parts for a customer and fascia boards from cedar for the office building.
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Cut a real nice oak today. No Snakes.
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Left some live edge one side. All 5/4 one 2" for legs, etc.
Met my customer at 7:00 am to start on this stack of Hemlock with one 19.5' white oak in there. All the hemlock I cut as 2X6's and the Oak log we cut to a 10 & 9 and I cut it into true 4/4 for future flooring.
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The first and third logs were tulip poplar that had sat too long so we bucked them into firewood. The second log became stickers. We did encounter some ring shake in a few of the logs. One was so bad I just sliced it into pieces small enough to handle and tossed on the scrap pile. The log pile has been there several years. It is 7 miles away and I have passed it many times and stopped and did a cold call and left a card years ago. The guy finally decided to cut it although he did come buy some walnut from me a while back. The stack has been there long enough, while not scared of them, we did look carefully for any MagicMan residents. We found none.
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Total sawed on 4.4 engine hours 732 bf or just over 166 bf/hr and I did not count the punky poplar and a 4' hemlock end I made into stickers so no speed records broken but steady work. It was in heavy shade which made it a very desirable site to go work. We did have, as they say up north "occasional periods of threatening weather" or as we always said down south, where people conversed more plainly and to the point, "it come up a bad cloud a couple of times but missed us." I packed up and brought the mill home and all the tools and equipment are back where they belong. I did break a spring on the throttle (Idler arm spring) which was the second since I have owned the mill so be warned - those things may only last about 360 hours or nearly 3 years each. :D Fortunately I had a spare and less than 2 minutes with a Leatherman pliers and repairs are done. ;)
Luke, Marty and I tackled a few ERC logs today.
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This log truck load of tree length ERC logs was dropped off at my place while we were at the Pig Roast in 2011, and I never heard from the customer again. Well it's time to begin getting rid of them. Some are rotted beyond any value but a few are salvageable.
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We should not have bothered to stage a few of them that had heart rot.
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I normally do not sell any lumber but a customer called wanting an 8X8, 4X8, 2X4's and some lattice. I told him $2.00 per bf and he said to bring it on.
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Having him or her around the sawmill is a blessing. Wish I had one. Tim
It's fairly well known that I do not sell lumber but I do occasionally get calls asking for mostly Cypress and Cedar lumber. Since Marty & Sons will become more active in the sawing, Marty is setting up a mini-log yard to stock some logs that can be custom sawn if/when a customer request lumber.
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Marty cleaning up some debris.
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And positioning some cross ties for stacking some logs.
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Sinker Cypress logs.
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Sinker Cypress shorts.
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Some old ERC logs.
About 465bd ft SYP, mostly 2x4 with some random width boards. 5 hours in the eastern NC heat was enough, my help wasn't interested
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You can't blame the help 8)
Awesome
The help can get bossy in the heat :D
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I knew there was some center rot, but didn't think I could fit inside the maple stump.
Guess instead of cookies it will make big donuts.
Since it was a 7' dia I decided too leave the remainder as a mother nature planter feature for the home owners.
A couple recent jobs.
Big cedar job. Milled one day and he built his raised garden beds the next.
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5/4 Post Oak, a few slabs, and a stack of 5/4 Red Oak.
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She did supervise stack/snickering today
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A guy brought me 3 small WO logs last week I sawed for trailer decking for a used boat trailer he was renovating then he sent his son down yesterday with a dump truck load of tulip poplar logs. He got here right at sunset after a "Wrong Turn" up a seldom used mountain road which is something you don't want to do in WV especially in a big dump truck. He gave me a cut list with no lumber over 12' long which tallies just under 1200 bf.
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11 logs - 3 are 12' and 8 are 16' long. A conservative Int'l 1/4 scale indicates about 1740 bf. I will end up doing all the sawing and flat stacking of these myself. 12" boards, 3" battens. Framing 4" & 6" at 6/4 last note he gave me but he is going to reconsider. My big saw is in the shop so either he is going to have to come back and buck them to length or wait till I get it back, which may be next week then decide what to do with the cut-offs. Actually I can use the 4' and 6' pieces if he doesn't want them sawed. Would make great stickers and short lumber which I can use for project lumber and possibly even sell.
Quote from: Cjross73 on July 26, 2020, 07:08:58 PMShe did supervise stack/snickering today
She probably snickered because you left your stickers so long. :D
Right MM, its what I had left and too hot to care.
I also skipped typing and spelling class in school
I saw part of an old Audie Murphy movie today (6 Black Horses) and he had a dog that looked like @Cjross73 (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=45094) sidekick that rode on Audie's horse and pack horse with him which I thought was pretty cool. I missed the part where he got the dog from because he did not have him at the start of the movie. I wonder if Sampson will ride on Trigger (our big old half Belgian Palomino) or Blackjack (our little 600 lb mule)? I probably should start him on Blackjack and he would not be nearly as high off the ground. :D
I love it Cjross73 and yours was too good to pass up. :D Tomorrow someone will catch me and it will be "turn about fair play". ::)
Quote from: Cjross73 on July 26, 2020, 08:29:53 PM
Right MM, its what I had left and too hot to care.
I also skipped typing and spelling class in school
Concerning your last sentence: Thanks for informing me that I wasn't the only one who did that.
GAB
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on July 26, 2020, 07:41:35 PM
then decide what to do with the cut-offs. Actually I can use the 4' and 6' pieces if he doesn't want them sawed. Would make great stickers and short lumber which I can use for project lumber and possibly even sell.
I sell a fair amount of hardwood lumber in 4,5 and 6 foot lengths. Many furniture projects call for lumber of less than 4' long. Even pine sells in short lengths. I had about 20 pieces of pine 18" long that were cutoffs from a barn siding project. I just sold 10 of them for a dollar apiece.
The guy just came back and bought the rest of those pine cut-offs. :laugh: I'm glad I didn't throw them onto the burn pile.
Sawing another order of black locust fence post.
This stuff is dusty and needs to be flipped every cut.
Running the WM 7/39 .045
They cut good in small logs for me. Not in wide cuts.
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That much fly dust indicates that you are not sawing fresh felled but dry/seasoned logs. If so you are a very brave man.
They look like the ones I sawed for my attorney 2 weeks ago. He wants them all 4X4 and would throw a 6" X 5' "log" on the mill and I'd sort of skip cut each side and try to at least get some square surface on each side. Every now and then he'd throw a 7" crooked post up there and ask me if we could get a 6X6 out of it. No - not gonna happen.
I'm getting 3"×5"×8' , 4"×4"×8 and 3" thick × live edge × 8'long that I will point with a chainsaw and sell as ag fence post.
I have bigger and longer logs im saving for 6"×6" stock.
This is the first load of 4 loads coming in.
The guy cutting thinks everything is a saw log :D
I will make something out of them and market it to sell.
That's part of the fun for me.
Quote from: Bruno of NH on July 27, 2020, 07:07:22 PM
I'm getting 3"×5"×8' , 4"×4"×8 and 3" thick × live edge × 8'long that I will point with a chainsaw and sell as ag fence post.
I have bigger and longer logs im saving for 6"×6" stock.
This is the first load of 4 loads coming in.
The guy cutting thinks everything is a saw log :D
I will make something out of them and market it to sell.
That's part of the fun for me.
I treat pretty much any log as a saw log, but I'm really just trying to get some experience sawing before I try and build something more than a garden bed or chicken coop with my lumber.
Why ie it when you run out of logs 6 people call asking for 2x10s or thy want them 2 feet longer than you have no I don't have a log strecher yet 8)
I'm glad I never have any logs. Well, almost. :-\
That's one of the reasons I try to keep logs as long as I can. I tell people there is the same bf in a 1X8 as a 2X4 but once cut I am stuck with what I guessed which is as often wrong as right. Of course there is a limit to the number of logs you can hold and how long you can hold them before they go bad.
I had a wack of juniper logs and a guy wanted me to saw fence boards for him. I told him I would and then he called and said "hold off for a bit, I don't have the cash right now." So I waited and waited and didn't hear from him. I had my own project come up and I sliced them up for myself. The next day he calls and wants his fence boards.
Oh well.
I guess I'd told him "I'll let you know when I get some more logs in and if you are still interested then, I'll saw them for you." Or offered him any alternatives I had available, if any.
Friday my log guy delivered these Red Oak and Pine logs.
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Today he delivered these Pine and Red Oak logs. Two whacks make a lot of logs.
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Last week I finished milling 10 foot 2x6s for my friends deck.
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When I get a chance, I mill some more 6x6s (cut to 7x7 now) sixteen footers for my sawmill shed.
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.....and some more 4x4 deck posts.
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These posts will be soaked a day in copper naphthenate. I already have 8 4x4s already soaked and dried to a brownish color.
hugs, Brandi
Nice sawing and logs. Looks like you have been and are gonna be busy. 8)
Quote from: Magicman on July 29, 2020, 07:57:54 AM
Nice sawing and logs. Looks like you have been and are gonna be busy. 8)
Monday, I started getting the logs organized and off the ground. Then I heard a strange noise from the tractor's right front tire. It was a leak from a sidewall crack. The tire is at the tire shop waiting for tube as I type this. Hope to get it back today so I can get busy.
hugs, Brandi
I'll be sawing SYP & ERC Friday and Saturday which should go find and dandy, but Monday's whack has me a bit concerned. PatD, Marty, and I moved my 5th wheel camper to that site this afternoon and got a look at the ~year old logs.
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All Red Oak, some in the 20"+ range and then there are a few 34"+.
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Some 16' and some that will have to be bucked back to 20'. :o The main concern is that all of the logs will have to be skidded up a slight hill about 50' and turned 90°. Next week will be interesting for Luke and me. ::)
@Bindian (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=17364) , your farm is very nice and well setup. Love the pictures and the Purina door.
JJ
Quote from: JJ on July 29, 2020, 11:52:55 PM
@Bindian (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=17364) , your farm is very nice and well setup. Love the pictures and the Purina door.
JJ
Thanks JJ. Now that I am retired, I can whip the place into shape. Ssshhhh on the Purina door. Copyrights you know. smiley_contract_point I love the door. Pressure washed it a few months ago and my daughter and Grand daughter made mud pies and played tick tack toe with it.
hugs, Brandi
Magicman, I don't understand why people don't have their logs sawn when they are fresh. Why wait? It drives me crazy to see that.
Hi all. I just finished sawing up five good sized red maple logs.
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Because it has been so hot I sawed one log each morning for the last five days. I start really early....the sun is just coming up.
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Nice ambrosia here.
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These logs had grooves in them which is very annoying because sawing deep to get past them causes more waste. Those grooves seem to be a thing with maple.
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The last log was the biggest and gave me some really nice clear lumber.
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Now that I have a nice little stack of red maple I think I'll head out to the woods for some red oak.
All the best.....Cutter
Well cuttterboy it seems there is a lot of that ambrosia going around today. I did a short log for a demo project and found this:
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It was a junk log (until I opened it) because it is short and had some bad defects. But I did manage to get 5) nice and clear 1 x 11-1/2 x 5' boards out of it. Might be nice for somebody to make boxes or drawer fronts out of.
Quote from: cutterboy on July 30, 2020, 04:00:44 PM
Magicman, I don't understand why people don't have their logs sawn when they are fresh. Why wait? It drives me crazy to see that.
That is something that I am not concerned with because my job is to recover whatever is recoverable. I'll saw these slabbing off all of the sapwood so the boards will be 100% heartwood which in the long run will give him higher quality lumber. I'll also buck off at least 6" from the ends to discard any deteriorated wood.
I set the sawmill up this afternoon so that I can get an early start tomorrow morning. Sadly there will be no shade. :-X The customer's sons will be tailgunning so no Luke on this job. :-X
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I immediately told the customer to discard the two logs on the right. They are too far gone to saw. There are many more SYP logs to be bucked and skidded.
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And then there are the customary ERC logs. All landowners seem to always have a collection. I really hope to finish this tomorrow and have Saturday off.
When did you get back to sawing Magicman?
I havent sawed anything of any size in a while. Its been too hot, but the forecast this week has a high of about 83 and even a few days with highs in the 70s. There will probably be some rain to pay the price for good temps, but Ill take it. I have lots of walnut and cherry that really needs to be sawn.
I didn't realize that I had quit sawing. ???
I did take a pause beginning June 10th so that I could do trail and bridge work at my cabin property getting ready for the 4th, but I have sawn 4 jobs since then with a total of 11,361 bf, so I have been fairly busy in July.
Today has been very frustrating with bark dulling my chains and causing the bar to climb in the cut. These Balsam Fir logs I'm sawing have tons knots, some quite large. I'm tired of sharpening after every slab cut. What kind of pressure washer do you recommend? What kind of flow rates should I be looking for?
I sawed some logs for a repeat customer and former student today. He reminds me of a 20 something Tule Peak. He does high end furniture and ships it all over. Anyway, I had to go to his place today to pick up the "logs" which consisted of two smallish cherry logs that had been lying in the dirt for a long time and three logs from a bald cypress from his neighbor's yard. The second log up had an arrow in it. I dug the head out when I got it home. I saved the butt log for last since he was pulling nails out of it as I was loading the others. After he had pulled all he could find, his metal detector indicated there was still hardware within.
I suspected that most would be near the outside of the tree. I lost track of metal strikes in that log somewhere around 20. I began slabbing it a 2 3/8" and then increased to 2 5/8" to account for the marks left by the out of set teeth and the occasional wave left by the first blade. After trashing the second blade, I called him and asked him what he wanted me to do. He came over and decided to have me install another blade and keep sawing. I made it about a foot before, you guessed it, ZING, Zing, Zing. As the smoke was coming off the blade and I was trying to escape the log on the last cut, the blade came off about three feet shy of the end of the log. Did I mention it was torrentially raining and the lightening was cracking? I was unable to make one cut in this log without hitting metal.
Tomorrow morning I am going fishing. I'll wait for John to get back from vacation before we saw the cypress I got this week. Hopefully ours is not metal laden.
Afterwards we shot the breeze for a while. He is one of the young people that remind me from time to time why I enjoy teaching ag. When he was a student I could turn him loose on the lathe, bandsaw or table saw and he would create something cool. He made a full sized boat prop out of cherry when he was in high school just for fun.
Walnut Thursday.
Spent most of the day in the shop turning a funeral urn. Had a logger drop off a couple of walnut logs for me to slab, so I decided to get them out of the way after I ate supper. All 9/4 and live edge. Not big but the perfect table size if book matched. 272 board foot in an hour and that includes cleanup, taking a few pictures, and playing with Hank.
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My business pardner and best friend.
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I'm sorry Magicman, why did I think you had had a recent surgery or something that had you down for a while?
Quote from: firefighter ontheside on July 31, 2020, 03:19:48 PM
I'm sorry Magicman, why did I think you had had a recent surgery or something that had you down for a while?
Surgery - Yes
Keep him down - No
He's a magic man!
Alan
No apology necessary. Yes, I had total knee replacement surgery in November and my shoulder rebuilt in February. Six weeks after my shoulder surgery I was sawing while wearing a sling.
Due to this C-19 stuff and school out, I have had my 18 year old Grandson Luke helping me on most jobs with the customer paying for his labor.
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He loves Logrite.
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Did I say that he loves Logrite?
That has worked very well and has kinda spoiled me. Where was he today?? :o
Your a stud Magicman. I like your work ethic and all your pictures you post
Thanks Walnut Beast, but I was more of a muffin yesterday. ::)
Yesterday was brutal in the heat. smiley_sweat_drop smiley_sun I had the umbrella up but it was still hot!!
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I was sawing for a young couple who are building a new home. SYP 1X6's & 1X4's for the ceiling. The lady made the entire day handling the cant hook, slabs, and lumber.
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And then we sawed 1X6 & 1X4 ERC for closet paneling. Also 3 small Cherry logs for a table project. This was a "minimum" sawing job because we only sawed 833 bf.
I am having some serious misgivings about the Red Oak logs that I pictured in Reply #1387 (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=108941.msg1747046#msg1747046). Some are OK as far as handling, but there are some that are impossible. A 36" butt log that is 16' long is pushing 6K lbs. and they will have to be skidded sorta uphill, turned 90°,and then skidded another 50'. There is no way that I can load or turn a 16' Oak log with a 36" butt.
As I said, some are ~26" and would be OK if the customer can skid them to the sawmill loader. I'll talk to the customer today and see what he has done about getting a larger tractor.
MM where do you get your leather aprons?
Google leather welder's apron. This looks like a good one: LINK (https://www.amazon.com/EULANGDE-Premium-Resistant-Cowhide-Leather/dp/B07QBC4X5R/ref=sr_1_73?dchild=1&keywords=welding+apron&qid=1596287300&sr=8-73)
I believe that the one I got for Luke was an eBay item.
I have bought bib aprons and cut the bib off to make a waist apron. Whatever you get you want the waist strap to go all of the way around. I had to do some modifying on the one that I am using now. I never saw without my apron.
I have seriously considered this: LINK (https://www.amazon.com/Leather-Welding-Apron-Split-Leg/dp/B07QCNQ2QW/ref=sr_1_11?dchild=1&keywords=welding+apron&qid=1596288098&sr=8-11) but again I would modify it by converting it to a waist apron plus removing the lower leg portions.
Does the apron help keep the sawdust from covering every inch of your clothing? I'm considering a full bib apron to try and stay a bit cleaner.
Quote from: Magicman on August 01, 2020, 08:07:06 AM
I am having some serious misgivings about the Red Oak logs that I pictured in Reply #1387 (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=108941.msg1747046#msg1747046). Some are OK as far as handling, but there are some that are impossible. A 36" butt log that is 16' long is pushing 6K lbs. and they will have to be skidded sorta uphill, turned 90°,and then skidded another 50'. There is no way that I can load or turn a 16' Oak log with a 36" butt.
As I said, some are ~26" and would be OK if the customer can skid them to the sawmill loader. I'll talk to the customer today and see what he has done about getting a larger tractor.
Those are the kind of day's I've learned to call the rental yard and have them deliver some horsepower.
This mornings work first thing live edge white pine for stock.
Some 30" wide on the small end.Sawn with a Cooks 1.5 x 8° x .050 band.
Sold my ash boards I had in stock , so I sawed up an 8' log and got some nice 12" wide boards. Sawn with a WM 1.25 x 4° x .045 band.
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Bruno, I love the look of those ash boards. Very nice!
Quote from: Don P on August 01, 2020, 01:00:08 PMThose are the kind of day's I've learned to call the rental yard and have them deliver some horsepower.
I talked with the customer this morning and he said that he would get whatever was necessary to handle the logs. Also the 36"+ butt logs can be bucked back to whatever is necessary to load and handle them. My past experience says that it will be 10½'.
We should be OK. I can saw Monday & Tuesday, have personal business Wednesday, and then back to sawing Thursday & Friday. My next week's Friday & Saturday customer will have wait at least another week. I can only do the work of 3 men. ::)
MM, you are working right through the dog days.
Bruno, good looking stuff.
A question for those of you who use 1 1/4" and 1 1/2" bands. Do you adjust the space between the back of the blade and the guide rollers when going from one to the other? We have been adusting between blade size changes but lately we have been using 1 1/2" bands. I sawed some metal filled cypress a couple of days ago that I wish I would have used 1 1/4" on (they cost less and we have a bunch of them).
No pictures of this morning's job but it was a first for me. A young Indian man showed up this morning with a minivan full of short oak "logs" that he wanted sawn. I explained to him yesterday on the phone and again this morning that we were going to spend quite a bit of time to get a little bit of lumber. He said press on. We did. He was really pleased with what he got for his money and efforts. Afterwards, we visited and I walked him around and showed him what to look for in logs that he intended to turn into efficiently produced lumber.
Quote from: caveman on August 01, 2020, 03:45:16 PM
A question for those of you who use 1 1/4" and 1 1/2" bands. Do you adjust the space between the back of the blade and the guide rollers when going from one to the other?
The 1-1/4" and 1-1/2" bands run close to the same distance from the back flange. I switch back and forth quite a bit but working towards 1-1/2" bands only.
Thought about buying new guide rollers made for 1-1/2" bands but they are not needed when using a band with deep gullets like the T-7.
Quote from: Magicman on August 01, 2020, 03:21:29 PM
Quote from: Don P on August 01, 2020, 01:00:08 PMThose are the kind of day's I've learned to call the rental yard and have them deliver some horsepower.
I talked with the customer this morning and he said that he would get whatever was necessary to handle the logs. Also the 36"+ butt logs can be bucked back to whatever is necessary to load and handle them. My past experience says that it will be 10½'.
We should be OK. I can saw Monday & Tuesday, have personal business Wednesday, and then back to sawing Thursday & Friday. My next week's Friday & Saturday customer will have wait at least another week. I can only do the work of 3 men. ::)
Lynn, you seem like the type of man that can do three 20 minute jobs in an hour. And then some!
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that hemlock might have some tension on it. I did get a few 14ft 2x6 out of it.
Quote from: SpaceBus on August 01, 2020, 12:06:02 PM
Does the apron help keep the sawdust from covering every inch of your clothing?
I wear a leather bib welding apron made by Hobart. It serves very well to keep sticky pine resin and sap off my clothes.
An apron also keeps the sawdust out of your pockets which keeps the OWMBO happy. :)
Quote from: Larry on August 01, 2020, 05:09:32 PM
Quote from: caveman on August 01, 2020, 03:45:16 PM
A question for those of you who use 1 1/4" and 1 1/2" bands. Do you adjust the space between the back of the blade and the guide rollers when going from one to the other?
The 1-1/4" and 1-1/2" bands run close to the same distance from the back flange. I switch back and forth quite a bit but working towards 1-1/2" bands only.
Thought about buying new guide rollers made for 1-1/2" bands but they are not needed when using a band with deep gullets like the T-7.
Is there a difference in cut quality with the 1-1/2 bands
That apron helps protect that big wad of cash 💵 you carry Magicman 😊
Lol. My pockets always have sawdust in them, either from the mill or from woodworking. I have an apron for the shop, but not for the mill. I'll have to look into one of these suggestions.
I just got out and re-sawed a 5' X 18" X 12/4 basswood into 1/2" boards for the guy who does my Lictenburg engraving for me. I tried one cut too many and barely kissed the top of the the dog just enough to make a little washboard on the last cut.
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One approximately 1/4" thick trim cut, 3- 1/2" thick boards and one about 5/8" with washboard from the clamp point on to the end. ::)
The customer should be real happy with them.
Quote from: Magicman on August 01, 2020, 03:21:29 PM
Quote from: Don P on August 01, 2020, 01:00:08 PMThose are the kind of day's I've learned to call the rental yard and have them deliver some horsepower.
I talked with the customer this morning and he said that he would get whatever was necessary to handle the logs. Also the 36"+ butt logs can be bucked back to whatever is necessary to load and handle them. My past experience says that it will be 10½'.
We should be OK. I can saw Monday & Tuesday, have personal business Wednesday, and then back to sawing Thursday & Friday. My next week's Friday & Saturday customer will have wait at least another week. I can only do the work of 3 men. ::)
Lynn,
I've been told many times that I do the work of three men; I'm not sure what three men they reference, but they always mention "Larry, Moe & Curly"....
Steve
Quote from: Magicman on August 01, 2020, 08:22:05 PM
An apron also keeps the sawdust out of your pockets which keeps the OWMBO happy. :)
That's enough reason right there. I already had pockets full of saw chips from processing firewood.
OK. OWMBO is not in the forestry forum Woodapedia. So what is it.Banjo
One who must be obeyed.
I guess that would have different meanings to different people. Tim
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Wallnut slabs
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A 3 1/2 inch thick fire place mantel
And this and its not Monday
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That glass door is going to be DanG spendy
Maybe that's telling you Sunday should be a day of rest and relaxation 🤔. Hopefully you Get your door fixed soon 👍
I broke one once if that makes you feel any better. had a spare plastic one. was over getting a highly valuable walnut tree. @Southside (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=24297) :D
Each I have had a tractor mishap, pine limb knocked off rear valve stem and a sharp pine limb through a radiator hose................all happened around dusk on a Sunday.
hugs, Brandi
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Picked up some more nice cedar this weekend. The trees were really bad bushy, but very little heart rot and nice color.
Always amazing how nice the cedar boards are compared to what the logs look like. 8)
Actually that log looks pretty good.
That glass door is not as bad as I thought $ 425 but I have to wate a month to get it
Way better to wait a month in August, than wait a month in February.
The Dakotas can get a bit chill at that time of the year.
😨😨
Luke's and my sawing went very well today. Yes, I was very concerned about whether we could stage and handle them but so far so good.
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The logs had to be skidded uphill and turned 90°.
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This should be enough to start on so now the sawmill was backed in.
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It fit just as planned and there was plenty of shade.
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Mostly 20' logs so no sawmill seat. :o
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Luke with the customer and his 92 year old Mom. :)
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We didn't get much done before rain shut us down. Tomorrow will be another day. ;D
Quote from: goose63 on August 03, 2020, 04:55:13 PM
That glass door is not as bad as I thought $ 425 but I have to wate a month to get it
Painful, but not as bad as I would have thought.
Quote from: SpaceBus on August 04, 2020, 07:43:18 AM
Quote from: goose63 on August 03, 2020, 04:55:13 PM
That glass door is not as bad as I thought $ 425 but I have to wate a month to get it
Painful, but not as bad as I would have thought.
Just wate till you hear about the right door it don't look any better than the left whiteflag_smiley whiteflag_smiley whiteflag_smiley whiteflag_smiley whiteflag_smiley
Quote from: Magicman on August 03, 2020, 09:11:25 PMMostly 20' logs so no sawmill seat.
With the sawmill operator's seat off I happened to notice this:
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One of the cam followers under the seat had seized, so it got replaced with my "next worse" cam follower. Unless they are frozen, anytime that I replace a cam follower on the sawmill head, it's next duty is the operator's seat.
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Our day went well and even though there is lost time staging the logs, we are gradually whittling the whack down. We will not saw tomorrow so these five 20 footers will be waiting for us Thursday morning.
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We still have the largest logs left and there are several 20' log with 36"-37" butts!! I have no idea what we will do with them yet?? The customer needs fourteen 20' 6X6's, so all depends upon whether we get them before we get to the 36"+ logs. Hopefully we can whack them back to 12' and saw 1X12's.
No way will we finish this job this week so I have had to reschedule my next 2 jobs, both of which are road trips.
Thank God for Grandkids. Hang in there Lynn!
hugs, Brandi
Yeah, my wife and I agree if we'd known they were so much fun we'd have had them first. :D
I have an 8 & 12 y/o gd here who plan to put up my new, to me, 14' X 8' tent. They dug out the blow up mattress and the air compressor and sleeping bags and such and are looking forward to camping in the back yard tonight.
I got some 2x10x10'6" red oak planks out of that log I had trouble with loading, yesterday.
More flitches to edge today, from that log.
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Jim Rogers
I salvaged what i could from this old oak to make some trailer decking, truckbed sides and craft wood for wife.
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The sides came out okay. Tops are tall so i can lash them together and prevent bulging out.
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Off the go deliver firewood to a very annoying customer.
@mike_belben (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=33722) I've never seen a mill like that one. Did you make it yourself?
A neighbor a mile up the road lives in a log house - actually it is a wood frame house with small peeled poplar poles cut in half and placed over the wood framing with wide, white mortar in between. Because of a gutter drain issue she has some rotten logs and she called me to come meet with her contractor guru yesterday. He needs 3-4 13.5' half logs so yesterday I cut down 2 small poplars and cut 4 -14' poles off them that ranged from about 9" down to about 5" SED. I pulled them and some tops for firewood down with my ATV and got out with the little JD750 and FEL and moved them to the mill on the front lot and split them as best I could. I will try to peel them with my spud bar but won't spend a lot of time on it. I might deliver them tomorrow if time permits in between other scheduled project like wife doctor visit, taking chainsaw from one "dealer" to another for a second repair opinion and taking the 2 younger local GD fish shopping.
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Got some more nice cedar today. I've got an order for 700' of 1x6 and 1x8. Going to saw it this weekend. I'll post some pics after it's done. Should be some real pretty lumber.
Those appear to be very good ERC logs.
I learned a lesson about answering odd phone number calls. I tend to not answer them because they are usually political or some other garbage. Well, today a truck came down my driveway and when he pulled up I recognized him as one of my repeat sawmill customers. He said that he had called several times this week. It turned out he has an odd area code from where he had lived previously. I had ignored the calls and then the voicemail he left was a bunch of silence. I don't know what happened there. I guess I need to start answering all calls. He said, are you still in the business of cultting logs. Um. yeah. He is bringing logs tomorrow morning.
Quote from: Magicman on August 05, 2020, 09:01:15 PM
Those appear to be very good ERC logs.
Some of the best looking I've ever hauled home. Very few inclusions and no heart rot. I wish every cedar I cut down looked this good.
I answer all calls even though voicemail or the machine will answer those that I miss. My website generates too many inquiries not to.
Odd area codes have become normal.
It's easy to click the junk calls off.
Quote from: SpaceBus on August 05, 2020, 11:16:29 AM
@mike_belben (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=33722) I've never seen a mill like that one. Did you make it yourself?
Yeah, i made an alaskan first but couldnt stand to make lumber with it. This was the fastest thing i could whip up out of the junkpile and it has gotten me by. Real mill build is still a ways off.
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I am going to cut this big Maple today. I am cutting it on shares with a logger.
He wants slabs. Looks like it might make some pretty ones. Everyone have a good day.
I could use Lynn's rugged grandson today!
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Quote from: SpaceBus on August 05, 2020, 11:16:29 AM
@mike_belben (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=33722) I've never seen a mill like that one. Did you make it yourself?
Yeah, i made an alaskan first but couldnt stand to make lumber with it. This was the fastest thing i could whip up out of the junkpile and it has gotten me by. Real mill build is still a ways off.
That's pretty cool. If I were good at welding and had the equipment I might have made my own. Unfortunately I needed a mill so I could build stuff so I can have a place to put more tools to make more stuff :D
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Quote from: mike_belben on August 05, 2020, 10:25:40 PM
Quote from: SpaceBus on August 05, 2020, 11:16:29 AM
@mike_belben (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=33722) I've never seen a mill like that one. Did you make it yourself?
Yeah, i made an alaskan first but couldnt stand to make lumber with it. This was the fastest thing i could whip up out of the junkpile and it has gotten me by. Real mill build is still a ways off.
That's pretty cool. If I were good at welding and had the equipment I might have made my own. Unfortunately I needed a mill so I could build stuff so I can have a place to put more tools to make more stuff :D
No reason you can't make it out of wood.
Yeah it takes a lot less than you think to cut lumber with a chainsaw. Mine has no bearings, the carriage just lifts right off the track, and it more or less floats all over the powerhead side rail until it grabs into the wood and snugs up. A shopping cart on some planks would work if there was an edge to stop the saw from being pulled into the log.
The hard part is clamping small logs securely enough for them to stay. I have to make a few tiny mods to get more options for locating the clamps just right on every size of shortwood that i put on it.
I guess its sort of a chainsaw scrag mill. I try to recover and upgrade as much out of my firewood logs [release culls from my woodlot] as i can with it. i need sawdust to keep making compost to feed the garden. My wifes craft business is growing into wooden placques and rustic signs n stuff. Making lumber is pretty important for livin off the land. Fences, shelves, coops etc.
I cut some small walnut this morning and quarter sawed some sycamore. The sycamore logs were about 20" diameter but only about 6' long. Still, it made for some pretty boards.
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How exactly does one QS? The only thing ive ever quartersawed is cucumbers bound for the pickle jar.
I use a modified method I found on woodmizer website. You don't get all q sawn, but what you get is good. The rest is more like rift sawn.
I've spent the last two days under architectural review for the NNRH wall I'm building. Fit , form , function, color blending, grain matching , pattern conformity on a section of this 37 foot high X 155 foot wide curved reclaimed wood walnut and cedar wall that will be installed at the start of 2021. In the picture are the designers, architects, principal contractors and installation leads.
Very intense 2 days, but very productive and all ended on a good note. Tomorrow I can go back to work, LOL!
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That Big Old Maple did not disappoint.
rich, it may not have disappeared but you made is smaller. ;D
Luke and I are making our log whack smaller.
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23 logs when we began, some of which were bucked into 3 logs.
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How it looked today when we left plus there are 4 logs staged at the sawmill. Hopefully we will finish Monday. The above logs are 34"- 36" and 16' - 18' long and will take some time sawing.
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Today's sawing headed toward the stickering location.
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We will leave this job and travel to another that looks to be 30-40 logs. Red Oak, ERC, & SYP.
All short stuff and the customer has a tractor so we will setup in the shade somewhere. This one is 81 miles and the next is 98 miles from home.
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My partner Hank barks "Whata we gonna do with these two logs? Way to short for the mill". I tell Hank be patience, were gonna put them on the lathe and turn some really big salad bowls. Hank reply's "How bout a dog bowl?".....mutts :D.
The rest of the story. A couple of weeks ago a guy calls about sawing a 3' diameter walnut and a cherry the same size. No problem, but than he wants me to log the trees, skid, and saw on sight. I tell him I'm not that kind of sawyer, bring them to me and I'll saw. Make sure the logs are 8' long minimum plus some trim. So he finds somebody to cut the walnut, but they find out logs are heavy so they buck them a little short. Next problem is he needs somebody to haul to my place. I can help on this one, I have a logger coming to pick up slabs. I'll have him stop and pick up the logs.
So, this afternoon I unload four logs something over 5' long. He did donate three really short chunks that will make some nice bowls!
The big cherry will be another story. My logger wouldn't cut it because its too close to power lines but gave the customer a contact for a tree service guy.
A customer called me if i could address 8 6x6 posts because they were cut with a chainsaw and the chainsawer wasn't very good at freehanding (https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif). ok, bring them over, i will resaw on the mill and then plane the posts.
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can you believe that?? all out of angle, banana shaped, with bark, and anywhere from 5-7.5" wide.(https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
they are 3.4m long and the guy told me he needs them 2.6m long, so first trim 0.8m off of this very beautiful, exotic hardwood(https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/huh.gif)
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Had to use a bimetal blade that wood was so hard
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ended up with 5x5" posts, very beautiful nice ones, exceptional wood, every post still weighted 50kg(https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/shocked.gif), was a hard 5 hours and i my arms where tired after this workout, charged him 150$, needless to say that he was one happy camper!!!
WOW! Teakwood, those are beautiful posts. What kind of wood is that?
looks like mahogany
Those are amazing!
Didn't really saw today. Went and got released from the ortho doc for my mangled hand. Then made a side trip and bought a load of used tin to cover stacks of air drying lumber. Not super but not a bad deal either.
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11 sheets of 9' 5 ridge tin pieces, 16 sheets of 12' 5 ridge pieces, 5 sheets 3' wide pieces from 6'-8' long. $200 total. I may use/sell a couple pieces to a new Hampshire customer with a lot 45 miles from here. They have the logs staged and sent me a deposit and cut list.
Came home and delivered 8 - 1/2 tulip poplar poles 14' long each to a neighbor a mile away to repair her log fronted home. (EDIT: Lest the MM chastise my grammar and want to know what the other half were, these were small poplar logs split in half used as a sort of siding to make a wood frame house look like a log home. :D :D :D). We stacked them in her shed to air dry a while before her carpenter will remove the bad wood and replace with these. I peeled them yesterday. First time I have used my HF spud bar to peel poles. Poplar peels easy. I see it would be best with 2 people - start the bark and have one person hold slight pressure on it as the other works the spud bar under it loosening it from one end to the other. If I were doing a lot by myself I'd want a second spud bar with a short handle on it.
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One thing I noted was the poles had the fluted look like the basswood Old GreenHorn posted a few weeks back. I had never noticed that before. The wood is not perfectly rounded but a series of flat spots.
I'm packed up and mill is hooked up for a mobile job 80 miles way. I gave them suggestions closer but they called back and want me to come. Not up to MagicMan standards yet but longest distance I will have traveled to date. Ii looks like one real long day. I really like those 1200-1500 bf one day jobs 10-15 miles away but....
Today I milled a few walnut logs. I invited my dad to help for the first time since March. He loves to help, but I wouldn't let him due to the virus. He is high risk due to his age and his history of cancer which he is still being treated for, so he is immuno depressed. I decided that if we both wear a mask it would be ok. He wears a cloth mask, but I wore an N95. I'm more worried about him getting sick than me. It was nice to have him there again. I got a fair number of 1x7 boards plus some other odd boards. The log was almost 11 feet long but took a turn at about 7'. I cut off 3' and milled that piece into some 12/4 for leg stock or possibly rifle stocks. Then I had a very ugly, skinny walnut. I like to mill mantels, so I made some mantels that may not sell, but you never know.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on August 07, 2020, 08:38:37 PMLest the MM chastise my grammar and want to know what the other half were,
I say nothing?? :-X
Luke and I are kinda on a roll.
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We sawed some Sweetgum....
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And then some more, 6 Sweetgum logs total.
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And then skidded up the largest log.
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The "log weight calculator" said 7174 lbs, but it was not that heavy because it had lain for a year. 37" butt and 16½' long.
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Even so, I added the Magic Hook to keep the log tight against the log loader hinges which transfers some of the weight and makes loading monsters much easier.
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Luke, my customer, and two questionable tail gunners shown with that log.
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Nineteen sawed and four logs left on this job to saw Monday. I'll have a bf total when we finish but I do know that we sawed
1398bf today. After we finish we will move to the job that is 98 miles away from home.
Hi all!
Bit late to this post but busy here in NZ.
Landed a job with 300tons of eucalyptus and 100 tons of macrocarpa.
Fitting other jobs in as needed but this is chewing a lot of time this year!!
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Quote from: cutterboy on August 07, 2020, 10:34:32 AM
WOW! Teakwood, those are beautiful posts. What kind of wood is that?
I can not legally say what type of wood it is, you wouldn't know the species either, but it's not mahogany.
The guy came with a pilot car to see if there were any police on the street, i did the job quick and he took the wood away again the same day. (https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
Teakwood, no more questions from me. :D But it must be difficult to saw while looking over your shoulder. ;)
I am a worn out puppy dog! I left the house before 5:00 am, drove 75 miles to what turned out to be basically an urban site. i was running ahead of schedule so I stopped for a bathroom break at a travel center on I-77 just south of Charleston WV. It looked like all the big truck parking spots were occupied and I had flashback to my short lived OTR trucker and trying to find a parking space when it was late and you were too tired to be on the road. My hats are off to those guys and gals. (Is that still a politically correct term?)
The site was on a street about 100 yards long just south of Charleston WV. The logs were next to a deserted building soon to be demoed. I set the mill up next to them right on the street. Man, setting up a mill on level asphalt is a piece of cake! I could get used to that.
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The customer had a warehouse of sorts on the other side of the road. Logs included maple, sycamore (First I have sawed), RO, Poplar and Cherry. A mix of 4/4 edged boards, 9/4 LE slabs, assorted beams, framing, etc. The short stuff I squared to whatever each would make and sometimes quartered the resulting cant into 3X4 or 4X4, etc for future furniture legs and such.
My customers business partner was there to help off-bear and learn. Turns out he has a mill just like mine also bought from NC WM. He has only sawed for his own use and was like a sponge soaking up tips I have picked up from you guys here. He liked the cheat sheet idea as to saving cuts and ending on a pre-determined mark saving a cut off almost every log. He really liked the Magic Hook. He liked the technique of laying a finished 1X4 or 1X6 or such down to edge/clamp a single 4/4 flitch. He was there all morning but left when I had to drive to a gas station for a bathroom break - not woods and cat holes in town and no customer bathroom on site (Oh the woes of urban sawing). Another neighbor was on site with a small Kubota tractor with a FEL and bucket and backhoe. He got several pieces of the wood for his projects/use and helped move some logs and clean up, especially the sawdust. The local mayor came through and checked up on us to be sure we would finish today and had permission from the owner to use the lot where the logs were staged. He also wanted to be sure we were going to clean up the site when done. I bit my tongue and did not make any comments that would get my customer in trouble.
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This is what was left on site at the end of the job - temporary stacking till he can organize it better. I finished, tallied, collected, packed up and left about 8:00 pm Just over 1752 bf. It was hot and a couple of times I thought I was about to over-do it but all went well. I drove home, disconnected the mill and in the house at 9:30 pm. The tools and bands and such are covered and I'll unload them in the morning. I did leave my cheat sheet for my off-bearer/student at the end of the job. I'll print myself a new one.
Oh yeah, to top it off 2 miles from home on our county road a big old doe ran out in front of me and I came so close to hitting her I bet there is hair in the left side of my front bumper.
How much does a hard day like this bring for you guys? after expenses
Man Howard, that is a LONG day. Whatever you made, it should have been more, especially after the mayor visited. ;D
What's that old joke? "I don't often take sass, but when I do, I charge for it."
I finally got around to sawing some of the big black oak logs I took down in January. The first log yielded two 29"-31" wide x10' long slabs taken from the center of the log, and some 5/4 boards. About half of which are flat sawn and half are quarter sawn.
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The second log was a knotty upper log that was not fit for boards so it was all turned into a stack of 12' long wide slabs like these.
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Three things I learned for sure.
#1, Oak is far to heavy to be turning into 12' long 2 5/8" thick slabs.
#2, I need a forklift or skidloader!
#3, as soon as I set the TimberKing up to do some sawing for myself clients start calling and want you to saw for them ASAP, (This is a good problem to have).
The client that called is a return customer who has previously purchased some of my slabs. He had stumbled onto some walnut trees that needed to be cleared for new construction and wanted me to saw them.
So yesterday the TimberKing and I traveled to Omaha to saw as many wide live edged walnut slabs as we could in a days time. The client had a skid loader and a sizable crew to handle all the heavy lifting. I only got a few pictures and unfortunately I didn't keep track of the quantity or number of logs sawn. I do know the crew loaded and unloaded the enclosed trailer use for moving the slabs from the saw site to where they are being stored 4 times yesterday.
Here's a picture of the first trailer load. This is only partially loaded.
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One of the smaller logs of the day on the TimberKing. Also showing some of the larger logs behind the saw.
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A fork load of slabs ready to be hand loaded into the trailer.
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A log I named "The Devils Dinner Fork" ready to be placed on the loader arms. You can see that 2-3 of the slabs are going to end up looking like a two pronged fork.
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And a sample slab with a little water on it to bring out the color and grain for the crew's viewing pleasure.
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This was a fun and easy job. The client had a great group of workers and they all participated. They followed my safety procedures, and showed a great respect for safety around my mill. We sawed for 8 hrs while using up 6 blades because of the constant wide cuts and all of the logs having bark intact.
On Sunday I will work on replacing a section of energy chain that has been giving me some grief, then onto do a small custom sawing job in Lincoln where a client had a large red oak taken down on Friday.
Took a little time this past few weeks to do some sawing before I start putting a new roof and siding on my house.
The first sawing project was a bunch of 2 year old knotty spruce logs for board and baton siding to put on the house. I was having too much fun sawing that to stop and take many pictures. ::)
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Next up was my last couple cottonwood logs to saw into 2x framing lumber and also some 1x material for future projects. They were pretty good sized logs that were a tight fit on the mill and left a 21" cant once squared.
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Some of the cottonwood was really pretty coming off the saw. Most of the 2x lumber was clear and straight grained.
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Got a little over 400bf from one log and one blade. I was happy on both counts:
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Then it was onto 3 hard maple logs I've been meaning to get at for the last 2-3 years. They're way past the point of being snow white maple but they were pretty nonetheless. A few boards showed spalting throughout but most showed only a little at one end or along an edge.
The first maple sawed up great. No issues and only 1 blade:
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On the 2nd maple log I was hoping to get enough out of the blade for the 4 opening cuts through the bark but after the 2nd cut it was apparent this wasn't going to happen. I hit metal on the 3rd opening cut due to a piece that broke off my chain (chain turner) and stuck in the bark. After finally getting it squared into a cant I started getting extremely wavy cuts and my blade was diving like crazy.
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I double and triple checked blade alignment and measured the set of my teeth. All looked fine. Thinking the log might be the problem I rotated it 180 degrees and took another cut with the same result. Even though the blade was fresh and still felt sharp I put on another one anyway and was still having problems:
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Thinking the problem must still be in the log I rotated it 90 degrees and got perfectly flat cuts. So I finished up the log without problem by avoiding those two faces which were giving me trouble. This meant I had a lot of wide boards to edge when I was done.
I found the third maple log grinning at me when I cut off the fork:
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After squaring it up and getting a couple boards off the sides with the crack running through them I placed the 21" cant with the crack running horizontal and just pulled 1x boards off those two faces until I reached the crack, at which point I cut it back to a 4' log to eliminate the defect and finished it off that way. When I was done with it I had a big stack of 21" boards to put back on the mill and edge.
Those last two maple logs were the only thing I sawed yesterday and they gave me a heck of a workout. I can only hope the lumber dries without too many defects to make it seem worthwhile.
The drying shed is starting to fill back up again:
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Alan
MM,
Did you saw the 4/4 at 1" or 1 1/8"?
Sunday afternoon I did something I typically don't do. I went to look at a potential milling job. It sounded interesting, I needed to meet the guy at a lakeside resort, where he would pick me up in his boat to take me across the lake to his 3 cabins. It was since day for a drive and a boat ride. There is a logging road that comes in to the back of the property. Thursday I will haul the excavator up to the property for moving the logs, then on Friday afternoon or Saturday morning I'll move the mill in and start making sawdust. Pretty cool place, I'll try to take some pictures to share.
Well Magicman, at least at the new job the logs still have their bark. :D
Quote from: Magicman on August 10, 2020, 11:04:20 PM
MM,
Did you saw the 4/4 at 1" or 1 1/8"?
Since your question immediately followed my post, and since I didn't see anyone posting above with the initials MM (other than you), and since I don't think you're crazy enough to be talking to yourself on internet forums I'll answer just in case it was addressed to me. ;)
I sawed the 1x lumber multiple thicknesses.
The spruce siding is 7/8" thick boards that will be put up rough.
Some of the cottonwood I'd like to use to build a couple strip canoes and knowing it will be planed down to 3/4" and since the boards are realtively narrow and seemed stable coming off the mill I cut them at 1" to save some extra planing later.
The rest was cut at 1 1/8", which is what I normally do.
Now, on the off chance you really were asking yourself that question I'm curious to hear the answer.
Alan
Do you guys prefer bark on the log? So far I've only milled Balsam Fir and Red Spruce logs, and they have very thin bark, especially the Balsam Fir. Usually I have to skid the logs a bit before I have room to lift them with my tractor FEL. So far I'm usually able to clean up the logs where they have to drag in the dirt or just peel the bark off.
I prefer bark on. Yesterday I needed 6 boards to fill an order. I had two blown down poplars in the back of my place. Went and cut 3 logs. Only needed one ....but it cut like butter. If they are not gonna have bark, it's nice if it's all gone. I just finished a half day clean up at the mill about half was slipped bark pine....what's left on the log comes off under the mill. Tim
When the bark is slipping, l peal them because it makes a mess on the mill.
The bark clogs up the claw turner on my Lt40.
The time messing with the slipping bark on the log deck is well worth it for me.
Quote from: SpaceBus on August 11, 2020, 03:54:52 PM
Do you guys prefer bark on the log?
AT first I think I might have mis-read your question. If you are asking strictly from a milling point of view, I prefer the bark off because it carries all kinds of bad stuff likes rocks and dirt and can even hide metal pretty well. But it can be a lot of work to remove or at least clean the bark. I peel what I can especially for the opening cuts and if it is slipping I peel everything I can get off to make milling easier.I peeled a big Basswood log a couple of weeks ago and really worked up a sweat, but got all the bark off in one single sheet.
However, if you are referring to the comment above "at least those logs still have the bark on" that was a reference to the age of the logs. Very old and poor logs will have the bark either rot off or have it just slip off when moved, and that is rarely good unless you are looking for spalting or some other special condition. These are not desirable logs to mill by me anyway, but you take what comes. Maybe somebody will chime in with a different point of view.
As to Banjo's comment, yeah, that bark is a bear to get rid of and I spent most of my day today burning bark from firewood splitting and the mill. It never seems to end and it feels like I always have a fire going when the weather allows. I find it presents a huge trip hazard and I can't stand it. Constantly raking and piling it up for the next junk fire.
BTW Banjo, what do you play? Are you a pre-war RB kind of guy, or perhaps an archtop fella? Maybe top tension? Not likely there aren't many of us fans of those left. My weapon of choice when I stopped was a Crafters, Tennessee model in Walnut.
I don't have a debarker on my mill so if the bark is willing to come off easily I'll peel it off. Otherwise I leave it be and make sure there's not embedded dirt/rocks.
Alan
Do any of you folks use a chainsaw powered tool like the "log wizard"? Unless these spruce or fir logs are cut right when the sap starts to run the bark is stuck on like glue. I have a draw knife, but that's not really worth it to me. Maybe a spud would be easier than the chainsaw powered debarking tools.
Thanks for answering my noob questions.
I have and have used one, but i consider it to a bit wild and potentially dangerous, and makes a mess. I only use it when nothing else will work. I have a 4k psi pressure washer that works well on many things, and if the bark does not fly off, it is at least cleaner. I have a dedicated bar and chain for the LW and have it hanging and ready to go. use face and eye protection. i used mine to hollow out the bottom of a stump table to help it dry and be lighter, after chunking it out with a chainsaw.
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I used this very inexpensive spud/scraper from HF to peel 8 - poplar half poles last week and was happy with the results. The next time I use it I will sharpen it some more. It would have been easier with 2 people -1 pulling on the bark and one pushing/cutting it free with the spud.
Here you go Old Greenhorn. Just an old flat head. The blond bomber.
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Here is my old head before it busted
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The pit bull by the side was named Banjo. Tim
Alan, I have no idea what happened with Reply #1478...?? I did not write that question nor do I know where the reply is that I did make. I even went to my profile and my reply showing the logs that I started sawing today is not there. cutterboy even commented about the logs having bark on them. ??
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Here is the picture that I posted last night that should have been in Reply #1478, but I have no idea where it or the reply is??
Well Tim, looks like Gibson inlays for sure but I can't read the headstock or the 20th fret. Nice looking maple you got there, they can make a great sound. Pretty high class names on that head too! Geez, the last time I saw Ralph Stanley was just a couple of years ago, but it seems like forever now. Sonny is still kicking about, he is a close friend of a buddy of min in KY and they have lunch every month or two.
Keep on pickin'!
MM, I saw your post last night with eh same photo, I remember you said the log on the lower right was the longest in the bunch. You are not losing your mind, but maybe the rest of us are? :D
Magicman, that picture was up and I saw it....thus my comment.
The phantom comment was mine, I guess I screwed something up. Sorry :).
Just found out that tomorrow's 3500 bf job isn't pine, but "Christmas tree spruce". :-[ :-[ :-[
Fortunately I have 3 boxes of Kasco 7/40 blades and a Richard Cutting Edge 4/40 wheel in my garage which I obtained for just this occasion. Now to go out reshape (lightly) 5 of these 7/40 to 4/40. 055 1-1/2 195". My mill is 55HP.
I usually use WM turbo 7/39 055 1-1/2. Those do ok in spruce, but with a lot of fussing around re-trimming etc, to get a "just passing" result. Cant fly with them like in pine.
Hoping the Kasco 4/40 will saw the spruce flat and faster. :P
Quote from: terrifictimbersllc on August 12, 2020, 08:19:01 AM
Just found out that tomorrow's 3500 bf job isn't pine, but "Christmas tree spruce". :-[ :-[ :-[
Fortunately I have 3 boxes of Kasco 7/40 blades and a Richard Cutting Edge 4/40 wheel in my garage which I obtained for just this occasion. Now to go out reshape (lightly) 5 of these 7/40 to 4/40. 055 1-1/2 195". My mill is 55HP.
I usually use WM turbo 7/39 055 1-1/2. Those do ok in spruce, but with a lot of fussing around re-trimming etc, to get a "just passing" result. Cant fly with them like in pine.
Hoping the Kasco 4/40 will saw the spruce flat and faster. :P
Would "Christmas Tree Spruce" be the same as red or black spruce? Suddenly all of my challenges learning to use my Logosol mill make more sense after reading your post.
No idea. It's either yellow or red corresponding to whether you want to saw it or not, the same color scheme as a traffic light.
:embarassed: :embarassed:
Two loads of English walnut this morning. Large old growth orchard logs.
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I was trying to saw a red oak log to make a couple of mantles. The mantles are to be 5" thick, but the clamp is 5 1/2" tall. So I guess I'm sawing the sawmill clamp.
Haven't done that for a long while.
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Since I posted it here, I won't post it on "Did something dumb today" but I did something dumb today.
Jim Rogers
You almost got all the way thru. Maybe you should finish the job.
Sorry Jim, it did take a nice cut though. 4° blades? ;D (Sorry, too soon?)
I am begining to think some enterprising member should make up diecut stickers of a backstop or something and we all buy 'a few' then each time we hit the metal our our own mills, we put a sticker on the front of the head. Kind of like the fighter pilots do.
Let he (or she) who is without sin cast the first stone.
Luke and I started with 108 logs Tuesday morning. Now we can add 26 more to the whack. What started out being a 3 day job with 30-40 logs will now eat up next week. Rain stopped us this afternoon so no picture, but maybe tomorrow will be a better day.
MM,
Similar to my other post "On The Band Wagon", how often do you actually saw the logs you started on without the customer adding more before you finish? Seems to me like the customer always remembers another log or two he meant to bring down and runs and grabs it before you finish playing hob with your schedule. Sounds like your customer remembered a whole woodlot.
Greenhorn i don't think i have enough room for that many stickers :o
Quote from: goose63 on August 12, 2020, 07:26:13 PM
Greenhorn i don't think i have enough room for that many stickers :o
You and me both.
Gerald
Neighbor sawmill asked me to help him get caught up. Said it would only take a couple of days. From the looks of the log pile in the background its more like a couple of weeks. :D
I had to make my own shade. I should charge extra for that!
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When I get too hot I can cool off in his air conditioned shop and drool over his new toy.
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For some reason I think there may be lots of slabs sawn before this job is complete.
Quote from: Jim_Rogers on August 12, 2020, 05:06:08 PM
I was trying to saw a red oak log to make a couple of mantles. The mantles are to be 5" thick, but the clamp is 5 1/2" tall. So I guess I'm sawing the sawmill clamp.
Haven't done that for a long while.
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Since I posted it here, I won't post it on "Did something dumb today" but I did something dumb today.
Jim Rogers
Nice one! Each piece of metal makes its own unique noise too. I bet you won't get 5 1/2" out of your mind for a while.
Jake is a nice guy. I've talked to him. He's made some really nice tables
Quote from: terrifictimbersllc on August 12, 2020, 08:19:01 AM
Just found out that tomorrow's 3500 bf job isn't pine, but "Christmas tree spruce". :-[ :-[ :-[
Fortunately I have 3 boxes of Kasco 7/40 blades and a Richard Cutting Edge 4/40 wheel in my garage which I obtained for just this occasion. Now to go out reshape (lightly) 5 of these 7/40 to 4/40. 055 1-1/2 195". My mill is 55HP.
I usually use WM turbo 7/39 055 1-1/2. Those do ok in spruce, but with a lot of fussing around re-trimming etc, to get a "just passing" result. Cant fly with them like in pine.
Hoping the Kasco 4/40 will saw the spruce flat and faster. :P
I tried the WM 4° blades on Sitka spruce and was very disappointed. Switched to the regular 7° blades and made nice lumber. Well as nice as it could be with 6" knots 🤷♂️. I haven't cut any spruce with the turbo 7 yet.
We are 98 miles from home and the customer is paying for the lodging.
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Our setup, but no shade. smiley_sweat_drop smiley_sun
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Luke said that he found some shade. ::)
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Using the chock on the far end and the Magic Hook to adjust a large SYP log.
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Some of the 26 logs that mysteriously appeared in another location. What? Shade? :o
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Another view, but what about that lower log on the far right?
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We won't be sawing that Post Oak. :-\
We are rained out for the rest of the week, so we will resume sawing Monday.
" We won't be sawing that Post Oak." Aw, come on, you must have lost your scene of adventure. I see the problem, but the naive among us don't know why you made such a judgment call !!
Just call me....
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Does that huge of a black mark mean it has a huge piece of metal in it?
hugs, Brandi
Probably not huge metal but most likely it was a fence row tree and has had a fence stapled to it for many years. The odd thing was that this is the butt 8' and I have no idea where the second log is. ?? Maybe it branched just above the butt cut and there was no second log. That would also verify the fence row theory.
MM that looks like black walnut to me. :D
We got into one over the weekend. Thought we had pulled all the tree stand nails. It must have been a 2 generation tree stand. The next log up ended up on my forks and I must have somehow taken a wrong turn, When I hit a bump it went over the field fence, so sad :D.
My Saturday's customer called me with an urgent call to come saw 2- 10' cherry logs today. They were in the owners way and he had to get rid of them and they were closer to me than him. Sounded like a quick and easy job so I agreed even though my debarker is sick. I loaded up last night then when I called for the address and to set up a meeting time he said today was out. The owner of the logs first gave them to him then decided to sell them since they are "veneer" grade logs and he wanted $350 for them. My customer still wants at least one if not both of them but sounds like he will have to pick it/them up and bring to me.
I'd bet some busybody "friend" stepped in and told the owner how much "highly valuable cherry" logs were and convinced him he should be compensated for them. I hate it when that happens. I see rotting logs all the time where somebody was going to give them away to be used then a buddy talked him into selling instead and they sit right there and rot. Anybody want to take a bet they'd really command veneer prices at any commercial mill?
Oh well, now I need to go unload the truck which fortunately is not a very big job as I have that down pat and likely 10-15 minutes tops to put everything back in place.
Once we cut the English logs they are run through the kiln, T&G machined, and by hand I end match the little boards into longer lengths. Grain , color , sapwood is lined up as best as possible to achieve a pattern that is laid out and certified before finish. An ongoing mill, dry, fabricate, certify, pack nonstop. A little over three lineal miles to go on this job. :)
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:o :o :o 8) 8) 8) WOW!
Poplar & pine
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Got a trailer load of big pine this morning & then this load of mainly poplar this afternoon.
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This load in addition to several smaller loads he already brought
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That's his on the left side. He's having some timber cut and these logs supposedly won't make grade where they are taking them. Top all that off this afternoon I had a glitch in the electrical on my mill, but I put in a call to Cooks...left message and a Robert called me back an with his direction got it going. Loose wire, but he told me where to look. I had planned on an easy summer...not gonna happen. Tim
Jeepers Tule I really enjoy when you post it's always quite ridiculous!
Cutting more English walnut. The balance of the trim out is another 2000 square feet for this job.
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I saved this cedar yesterday afternoon. 280bf. Took me about 3 hours. I'm going to try to get another 500 feet or so today so I can deliver it tomorrow morning.
What gorgeous color, I love the hint of sapwood along the edges.What will this wood be used for ?
Quote from: tule peak timber on August 16, 2020, 11:04:15 AM
What gorgeous color, I love the hint of sapwood along the edges.What will this wood be used for ?
The customer that is getting this load builds raised bed gardens and gazebos out of cedar. He usually buys about 1500bf a month from me.
You get the best cedar.
That cedar is very nice
Ended up doing the lake job this weekend. Hauled the excavator in on Thursday morning to stage and buck the logs to length. Then pulled in Saturday morning with the mill and got started. Milled 98 12'x2x6 red cedar, then 14 12'x6x6 red fir then started on the 500 lineal feet of 4x4.
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Ended up staying the night in one of the 3 cabins. This was the view from my deck.
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Sunday morning before we got started back up, I got to drink a cup of coffee on the dock.
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All in all it was a good weekend, made some new friends and was told I was welcome to use the cabin for a weekend getaway.
Wow!, Not a bad place to work :)
That cedar sure does have a lot brighter color than the western red I'm used to milling.
"Welcome to use a cabin for the weekend"....that's worth the price of admission right there. I'd be like see you next weekend. Any fish in that lake?
I picked up some walnut yesterday and will likely mill one or two of those today. Then tomorrow I will go get more walnut logs. The ones yesterday I paid for and the ones tomorrow are free. The price is going to help cut up the downed tree from a storm.
I don't have a complete rundown on the fish in that lake, but I did see some 14" Kokanee on Facebook that we're caught there this weekend. I'm going to shoot for a weekend at the tail end of September. Also, we'll come in by boat since its a 10 mile goat trail coming in by car.
Last Log (as barnwood builders would say) had 19 of them all hard maple took from end of Apr. till last Sunday morning.
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This one I cut down a year and a half ago. They where all 10'6".
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12"x12" cant i cut all 19 into cants and put them on concrete road guard posts with 2" stickers. they have to sit that way till I finish tearing the mill out floor up and put in concrete piers for the mill to bolt too. The mill wont stay level on the floor even tho there's 4x4s on 2' centers with 2"x6"s for the floor.
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They all have some spalting but some have it all the way across.
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I get the cants off the mill by putting pipe roller under it an push it to the skate rolls and out the doors,slabs go the same way. wind was blowing so the doors stay almost shut, but most days their open to get the gas fumes out the door on the opposite side of my shed.
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Here's the staging area cants and 1xs 2xs straight out, slabs swing around. All are set so I can grab with the forks, or the grapple trailer. That was the setup who knows what it'll look like when I get done setting the mill back on concrete piers and a new floor. I want to make the mill waist high from the new floor so I don't have to bend over. I like to build some powered rolls that lift the logs/cants up and roll out the doors. And also move the mill closer to the bunks.
So I'm new to the site and this looks like the megathread for recent mill work. Here's some recent and some old I'm pretty proud of since its my first post.
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Welcome aboard.
I don't think I've ever seen driftwood sawed. Very interesting. Are you going to make something with that or sell it?
Quote from: btulloh on August 18, 2020, 10:37:38 AM
Welcome aboard.
I don't think I've ever seen driftwood sawed. Very interesting. Are you going to make something with that or sell it?
Thanks. Right now the plan is to make something out of it, I'd hate to sell it without getting my hands on more first. I'm a 30-40 minute drive to the Gulf of Mexico but driftwood can be hit or miss on quality, plus it wreaks havoc on blades.
That driftwood is striking, any idea the species of tree?
I've seen a few "drift logs" laying around here in coastal Maine that I've always wanted to snag. Even have a few beat chains and a bar I'd use for them, but no way to retrieve them. One I see every time I leave the house is laying down in a mud flat, probably not good to saw with so much clay in it.
Luke and I are busy sawing this road trip job but I reckon I had better come up for air and check in. We are steadily making progress but I have not made a count on how many logs are left.
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ERC, SYP, and mostly Red Oak. I am hoping that the weather will hold off and we can put this one in the history book.
Magicman, you're a machine. My dad is 77 and in great shape, but I don't think he could do what you do. He helped me cut up a fallen walnut tree and get the logs on trailers. Good thing it was not super hot, but we still sweated more than our fair share. First pic is the logs I picked up on Monday. Second is todays logs. My timber made log A frame is still doing great getting logs on the trailer.
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There are a couple of old codgers on here that will know that this is.......
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Quote from: Nebraska on August 18, 2020, 02:53:18 PM
That driftwood is striking, any idea the species of tree?
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I've seen a few "drift logs" laying around here in coastal Maine that I've always wanted to snag. Even have a few beat chains and a bar I'd use for them, but no way to retrieve them. One I see every time I leave the house is laying down in a mud flat, probably not good to saw with so much clay in it.
I think it's pine but I'm not sure, I tried to get some end grain pictures a while back but all I had was a cell phone camera so they're not great, maybe I'll try the tree ID forum.
Here in Texas we can drive on the beach so picking them up is no big deal, I used a blade that was dull and ready to change because each one of those worm holes was full of sand.
WDH
Hornbeam ?
I'm thinking sweetgum.
Yes Sir, Mr. Lee, sweetgum. I guess this makes you an old codger :D.
I hadn't thought so but with a clue like that I figured you had to be talking about one of our old codger's favorite wood. :D
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Luke and I finished the majority of the "scattered" log yard and moved the sawmill and set up on 24 fairly large Oak and SYP logs. The last few day's sawing is seen in the background in the picture below.
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We were able to saw the first 4 logs before......
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the rain came and shut us down. Hopefully we can manage a full day tomorrow. There are 46 more logs to saw on this job.
Dang Lynn! I have seen well stacked lumberyards with less inventory than what you and Luke have sawed up there. Luke's arms must be looking like Popeye by now. Thanks for posting. Stay safe and keep whittling away at that pile. Your customer isn't sneaking in at night and adding more to the stack every night is he? :D
I just finished day 6 helping a neighbor sawmill/friend get caught up. He said it might take three days when I started. :D
First two or three days was sawing out oak construction lumber for some kind of large pagoda. I hated that, as I don't saw enough dimension lumber to get efficient.
Next was 4/4 grade lumber which is my bread and butter.
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I don't get the credit for stacking on this job, thank goodness!
Think I just about have all the walnut logs sawn. Funny thing is, I think the logs are reproducing overnight.
A quick glance at some of the remaining logs. I was scared to walk down and see how far the piles go back in the woods.
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I start about 9am and quit as soon as it gets hot, normally around 1 or 2.
My friend also has an air conditioned shop where he builds all kinds of expensive resin tables along with selling the supplies to others. I usually hang out in there learning....
He just finished up this wine bottle holder which I think is exceptional.
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I understand how you feel Larry about "scared to see how far the log piles go back." Sometime it seems to never end. You are looking good!!
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Luke and I had to wait out another flood....Thankfully bark and sawdust makes good "gravel". The sawdust in the background was at our previous setup.
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but after it passed we still managed to saw a few logs. This is a crazy bookmatch.
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Your imagination can go wild with these two boards. smiley_dizzy
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We are now down to these 10 logs in this location and 26 more in another location. We have sawn 14 logs here, and 100 logs total.
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Framing lumber on the right and Red Oak 1X's on the left. In the left background is what we sawed before we moved the sawmill.
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A closer look at those 5 days of sawing. Depending upon the weather we should finish Tuesday or certainly Wednesday. We will be glad to put this 98 mile road trip job behind us.
Great work MM and Luke!
That's a showcase for a strong work ethic.
MM,
Sure hope that lumber does not stay there and rot. I would hate to know that I had to move all that. It is in the weather and there will be air flow problems. Customers do not realize just how much work there is and facilities required for the lumber after the logs are sawn.
After you saws em and leaves em, the customer has to deal withs em.
WDH,
that is one of the things I really appreciate about MM's business model. He is able to get the cash and dash.
We get to fall, load, haul, unload, sort, stage, saw, sticker stack, dry, display, sell, load and rotate stock that did not sell or find a use for it.
I really like it when folks bring good logs to us. We saw them and flat stack the lumber right back on their trailer. Unfortunately this is not the norm.
Yes sadly it goes that way many times and I fully predict that it will in this instance. The customer cleared ~5 acres and had no sale for the trees/logs so he decided to have them sawn. The SYP were huge yard trees with three 8' logs and no tops. The Red Oak is mostly low quality Water Oak that stinks when sawn. He has nowhere to put it and actually no use for the lumber except to build a 10'X10' out building from lumber all bucked to 8'. smiley_headscratch I have already sawn over 7500bf and my prediction is that the great majority of this lumber will sit and rot. Yes it does happen in many instances. I have gone back to repeat customers and seen previously sawn lumber sitting and rotting. :-X I ask no questions except "what is your cut list"?
I sawed this job LINK (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=55975.msg810004#msg810004) producing 12,103bf of Cypress that is still stickered out in the open. The lumber was all loaded onto trailers and hauled to the kiln operator who refused it until it had been air dried so it was brought back and was being stickered (Reply #30) when I left. It's still there. :-\
caveman, you are correct. Most of my customers are landowners who have logs and no specific need for the lumber but they do not want the trees/logs to go to waste. If it's SYP which the great majority is, they say saw 2X4's and 2X6's 'cause that's what I generally need. If it's Oak they say, "saw lumber".
My very first year of sawing put me out of the lumber business and into the sawing business. I had no sheds and no lumber handling FEL so the decision was simple. No sheds, no lumber, no inventory, sell nothing, saws um and leaves um, "cash and dash". (your words)
The other business decision which I have gotten more comfortable with during the past few years is "have sawmill, will travel". No matter how far nor how big/small the job. Pay my travel/setup and lodging and I will be there. I sawed well over 100Mbf last year on road trips.
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I was sawing an order of 8/4 cedar this morning and this one jumped up off the mill and fell off on the ground. First time I've seen cedar do that. It actually broke off from the bottom one about 4 or 5 inches before I got to the end. Maybe I can make a rocking chair!😂
I have seen ERC do that but it is a rare occurrence. Most of the time ERC is well behaved.
Now let me tell you about that crooked pith off center SYP log that I sawed yesterday evening. I told Luke that it was a "bad log" and that I shouldn't saw it, but I did anyway. Probably half of it went into the slab pile. Bowed, twisted, and any/everything else that you can think of. Just bad. :-\ :-X
I don't saw much ERC so have not seen that. I have seen it out of ash and hickory. A little spring in some of my poplar but not that much. Good luck with the rocker. :D
I had a neighbor wanted to cut out some curved seat pieces for an old rocker and wanted to just get a thicker piece and saw it out. I told her I did not think that would be very strong as she would be cutting across the grain on thin wood and suggested she cut it thin and steam and bend it to the shape she wanted as I think that is the more normal practice. Maybe if she'd had this piece ....
Cash and Dash. :D :D :D
I have people call me with logs that they want sawn (which I won't saw as I do not have time to custom saw) and I explain the process to them and they are surprised when I tell them that the lumber takes up a lot of space, has to get good air flow (no basements), stacks need covered at a minimum, under a shed is better, and it takes a minimum of 4 to 8 months to air dry depending on species. You have to have room. Many say, "Oh, I did not realize that you had to do all that."
I used threatening rain as an excuse not to start on a customer's order of 11 (8-16' & 3 - 12' - estimate 1750 bf Int'l 1/4" scale) poplar logs I have staged by the mill. I even have one 16' log on the arms. I got out and made/finished 4 more sawhorses to stack the assorted cuts on as it comes off the mill/till the order is finished. Three were about 18" tall made mostly from cut off 2X6 rafters from my last barn build for legs. I did have to break into my ash stack and dragged out a couple of 15' 2X4s. I cut them into 4' lengths for the I-beam portion of the sawhorses. Each made one sawhorse top and one left over 3' piece for another leg. I finally dug out 2- 7' poplar 2X4s to finish my last sawhorse. Hopefully I can finish the order in the next few days and when done I have plenty of use especially for the short sawhorses.
Started on the sassafras pile today went well till i hit a nail on the 4th log . i dug out the nail and eased back into cut more sparks , got the metal detector, nothing then the got chain saw and cut out the piece , there was a ceramic insulater around nail ! First one for me.
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Last week I found a 1" rock on a hollow knot in a big cedar log. Made an interesting noise and a mess out of a new band. That's the 2nd one I've found in this wood lot. Makes me wonder how they got there.
It's always with a new band. > > :-[
Quote from: WDH on August 22, 2020, 07:30:48 AM
Sure hope that lumber does not stay there and rot. I would hate to know that I had to move all that.
I have 3000 board feet cut waiting on a customer to pick up. About half framing lumber and the other half boards.
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He has these logs on the left plus this trailer truck load left. I have stopped sawing his until he picks up what he already has cut. They will keep better in log form than dead stacked. Tim
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It's always with a new band. > > :-[
Always. And usually on the first cut! 🤬
@Cardiodoc (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51488) and i milled up the "tree of heaven" today. it smelled great and had hardly any tension in the wood. :o :o :o :D :D :D
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It had some nice grain. the above was from the second smaller stem. :D
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the bigger butt stem milled nice. Mike just dropped the tree yesterday. good ol anchorseal on the ends. we will see how it dries.
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Doc,
Keep us posted. I have several here in the backyard I'd rather were doing something else.
will do. please join me in welcoming cardiodoc. he is a cardiologist I have known and worked with, (and somehow we are still friends) :) for over 25 years. He is into woodworking and he is working on improving the forest (Kansas) on his little chunk of heaven. I have posted several of his projects as a "my happy customer" threads. he is now a member. Welcome @Cardiodoc (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51488)
Welcome aboard @Cardiodoc (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51488)
I milled white pine for the first time this morning. It went well with very little waviness. I was concerned that the knots would be troublesome. I used lots of water and the blade stayed very clean. We cut sixty 1x6, four 1x8 and four 1x10 from three logs.
@doc henderson (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=41041) hardly any tension he says.....lol
Welcome to Cardiodoc. Always good to have another medical person on board. Don't be a silent partner. Tim
I finally overcame inertia enough to get started on my customers poplar logs. I have been doing a pretty good job of putting it off blaming the weather and such and mostly worried about how much stress was going to affect me in those 16' logs. Before started I moved the mill back next to the logs after my last mobile job and checked the blade tilt and verified level with the bed.
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11 logs total - 8 are 16', 3 are 12'.
I cut the first log up into 6/4X 4" X16' then the next log the customer wanted 4- 4X10X16 for bridge bumpers. I had to cut 4 out of this log to avoid splitting the pith. I took off a 4/4 flitch and found I had a 10" face between the bark so set my SimpleSet for a 4" drop, cut off a cant, checked and found the pith was off center and took another 4" cant, flipped the cant, set my mark, got another 4/4 flitch leaving an 8-1/8" cant and split that giving me 3 FOH cants and one pith center 4" cant. I edged them and got 6-7 more 6/4 X 4"X16' per the customer's cut list and my 4 - 4X10's. I trimmed up my 4/4 flitches into 3" battens and when a couple had too much bow I just made the customer some long stickers. End of the day I had 26 of the customer's 50 6/4 X 4" pieces, the 4X10's and a handful of battens. Total 446 bf out of the 2 logs.
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26 - 1.5"X 4" X 16' on 2 old and one new sawhorse.
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4-4"X10" X 16' bridge bumpers stacked and leveled on some handy locust posts.
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A handful of 1"X 3"X 10'-16' battens.
9 more logs to go. I start on 1"X12"X16's and 1.5"X 6" X 16's tomorrow I guess.
@Cardiodoc (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51488) ,
Welcome to the FF and we will not hold any past association with Doc Henderson against you. We all have episodes in our past we'd rather everyone did not know about.:D
Welcome Cardiodoc,
Maybe we should only use "heart" emojis when we reply to your posts?
Steve
Howard, that big lumber will wear a man out. Nice work.
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Towed home a few nice Pine from camp. I wish all my logs looked like these! The Pine in the area around camp grow straight and tall. Put one on the mill but I had to go back to work and I will cut it tomorrow if the storms hold off. Hot here today in the 90's. That last pick is my BBQ porch I built on my screen room. The screen room was one of my first rough cut projects. I hired a good guy with a wood-mizer and he came and cut my logs. That was the start!Much handier to have a wood-mizer of your own! The porches are the first project that I cut to a lumber list,other then furniture. Folks keep buying all the lumber I have time to cut. I need to keep some so I can finish the sawmill shed before winter.
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Ready to go. I read on the f.f. that it is bad luck to leave a log on the mill. But I had a Uncle that taught me to lay out and prepare all your tools in the evening so you are prepared to go to work first thing in the morning. I have doe this all my life and I can't stop now. I pulled those logs on the trailer with a come a long. I have to rig up a winch on that small trailer!
I leave logs on the mill all the time. When I've had enough, I go home. :D
A large and log log on the mill makes a good theft deterant.
GAB
I leave logs on the mill often. I don't know if I'd call it bad luck, but often I have to take it back off to mill someone else's logs. Leaving a log on there sometimes is the difference between milling on a certain day or not.
Rich,
You are sure right about that big lumber being heavy.
I sawed 2 more 16' logs today. I sawed 14 - 1"X12"X16' boards, a few 1X6
X16, a few 6/4X16 4 & 6 inches wide. Total 368 bf but I also moved some more short sawhorses over and did some more stacking. 4 more 16' logs and 3-12' logs to go. I got too hot in the early afternoon and came in and cooled off and got some dry drawers and socks and went back in the evening. No pictures because I did not finish till about 8:30 pm and too late for a photo.
My leafblower went on strike. It will start then immediately shut down like it is not getting fuel. I'll try changing a plug - not that that is a likely cause but a chicken soup fix. Can't hurt and might help.
Quote from: richhiway on August 24, 2020, 06:25:42 PMthat taught me to lay out and prepare all your tools in the evening so you are prepared to go to work first thing in the morning.
I leave logs on the mill all the time. It's not so much as getting ready for the next day as it is reminding me where I left off. Sometimes I even take a marker and write on the end of the logs what the the 'plan' was for that log. Yes, I am 'reedy to go' in the morning but mostly I want to keep the flow going from the previous day.
Luke and I are still pecking away at our road trip job.
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We fully utilized the cantilever head design with a couple of 37" & 38" logs that we did not have to Bibby. Just scooted them over and let them hang into the opening so the saw head could pass.
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We finished with the 24 logs in the second location and moved on to the third and final location.
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We left this whack of stickered lumber. Some of the previously sawn lumber is seen in the background on the left.
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Another view of the lumber that we left behind this morning.
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So now we are at the final setup with 27 logs. We surely would have finished the job tomorrow but rain shut us down at 12:30. Now we may not finish tomorrow, and the hurricane could affect us Thursday. We are both ready to lay this 136 log job in the history book.
I am about to loose my helper because Luke starts back to school next Monday the 31st.
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I didn't need that s point on that claw anyway did I? :(
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Only broke off 4 teeth. 1 gone, skipped 2 then broke off 3 more. A big old band doesn't need that many teeth anyway does it? ::)
Maybe I need to rig up a convex mirror on the opposite side of the log (or remember to check before sawing).
I sawed 4 more of my customers 16' poplar logs. Sawed some 6/4 into 4 & 6 inch framing, sawed 2 logs into 1X12 and some smaller widths as I was able to salvage. Total 558 bf.
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35 1X12X16 on top of 4- 4X10X16 and some 1X6-1X10 in front for future stacking.
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6/4 X 4 & 6 X 16 framing. 33 4", 10 6" all 16' long.
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Assorted 4/4 & 6/4 boards for trimming and stacking. May cut off 2'-4' of flare to leave a shorter finished board before final stacking and customer tally. I don't charge for parts the customer can't use.
These stacks are from the last 3 days and 8 logs. So far total is about 1405 bf and 3 more logs left to finish the order.
I did have to work on my debarker - I did not torque the 2 little set screws on to the new motor shaft and it slipped down. A pretty quick while I was changing a band that was attacked by that pesky claw. :D
Lynn,
Can I borrow your umbrella and Luke for a while? :D :D :D Looking real good there.
Just like the teeth on the blade, I don't think the points on that claw serve any purpose. You're good to go.
It looks like a nice factory cut
"I am about to loose my helper because Luke starts back to school next Monday the 31st."
Challenging times for schools now, I hope he does well. You have a good grandson there Magicman. He learned a lot of what schools just can't teach working with you
Looks like you bronzed and buffed him too :D Good luck Luke.
I am fixing to be sawing pine, if the rain will stop long enough for me to get to the mill. I loaded the deck yesterday afternoon in anticipation of this flood. Tim
I had a good 2 days of milling.. my company ordered 20 6x6s and a local guy came back and ordered 44 full size 2x6's. I finished it on own without a helper in 15 hours over the course of 2 days. Its not terrible not having a helper. but does give you a breather from time to time.. good exercise!!
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I got out this afternoon when it finally cooled off a little and sawed the last 2-16' poplar logs from my customer load. I only have 2 more 12' logs left and the order will be finished. I sawed these today into 6/4 X 4" or 6". I took a picture but it is just the same one showed before only 3-4 layers taller. If the weather permits I should finish this order tomorrow.
I did get a call yesterday from our local market wanting a couple dozen more tomato stakes so I dropped them off when I went to town today then as soon as I got home a local teacher came over and bought 2 LE 8/4 cherry slabs. I put on on the mill and re-sawed it into 3" widths. About 6' long. That was what he needed to complete a table he is building. He liked the matching slab so went ahead and bought it too.
I had another neighbor come by and go through my slab pile and got a bunch of edging strips for tomato stakes (Rather than buying my ready cut ones ::)) but he will be back to buy my slab pile for his boss lady's firewood pile. She has a little warming stove in her kitchen and he buys several truck loads a year and cuts it to short lengths.
I need to pull 10 1X6X8 ash boards and resaw 5-2" ash strips for a repeat customer to build a chest or dresser. he built one for his daughter and of course then the other daughter wanted one just like it. Not a lot of money at one time but he buys a couple hundred $ worth of lumber every year. It all adds up eventually.
Durf,
That is some pretty wood. I know what you mean about working alone. I envy you guys with that pretty SYP. Keep up the good work.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on August 26, 2020, 09:29:13 PM
I got out this afternoon when it finally cooled off a little and sawed the last 2-16' poplar logs from my customer load. I only have 2 more 12' logs left and the order will be finished. I sawed these today into 6/4 X 4" or 6". I took a picture but it is just the same one showed before only 3-4 layers taller. If the weather permits I should finish this order tomorrow.
I did get a call yesterday from our local market wanting a couple dozen more tomato stakes so I dropped them off when I went to town today then as soon as I got home a local teacher came over and bought 2 LE 8/4 cherry slabs. I put on on the mill and re-sawed it into 3" widths. About 6' long. That was what he needed to complete a table he is building. He liked the matching slab so went ahead and bought it too.
I had another neighbor come by and go through my slab pile and got a bunch of edging strips for tomato stakes (Rather than buying my ready cut ones ::)) but he will be back to buy my slab pile for his boss lady's firewood pile. She has a little warming stove in her kitchen and he buys several truck loads a year and cuts it to short lengths.
I need to pull 10 1X6X8 ash boards and resaw 5-2" ash strips for a repeat customer to build a chest or dresser. he built one for his daughter and of course then the other daughter wanted one just like it. Not a lot of money at one time but he buys a couple hundred $ worth of lumber every year. It all adds up eventually.
Durf,
That is some pretty wood. I know what you mean about working alone. I envy you guys with that pretty SYP. Keep up the good work.
thank you sir!!! its actually north eastern hemlock from my land. a friend has a bunch of really nice white pine or something that we are gonna mill up this fall. I've had great luck with the hemlock on my land so far. I have only had maybe 3 logs that had some shake in them that were no good out of probably 300 logs. my logger said I was lucky with my hemlock.. alot of it in my area and south of me is no good and full of shake.
Luke and I kicked this job in the butt log yesterday. He goes back to school Monday so this was our last job together for the Summer. He learned a lot about sawing and probably also learned a bit about me. We had a wonderful time together. Thank You Luke !!!
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This is how some of the 136 logs looked when we arrived at this job.
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The first whack of lumber.
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The second whack of lumber.
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The third whack of lumber. The three whacks total 10,349 bf. We were on the job 8 days but were rained out at ~noon 3 days so I was pleased with our production.
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Yesterday Luke learned about "ring shake" and what it will do to a log's lumber yield. Many of what should have been 1X12's were reduced to 10's & 8's. :-\
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So we got paid and showed this job our taillights. Luke has learned how each job is different. Kinda like Forrest Gump opening a box of chocolates. From here we moved the sawmill to the next job.
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Luke said "What??"
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So I just backed the sawmill in, set up, and will saw it next week. The point is that not everyone has access to good logs so they saw what they have. My job is not to judge but to provide a sawing service.
Lynn,
I like the contrast between the big 2 week type job then stop off for a job you can finish in a single morning. I really prefer the one day jobs as I prefer to bring Millie home every night. She sleeps better in my lot or pasture than at a customer site. :D Also it is easier on the cash flow to get paid daily. I tell my customers I get paid at the end of each week or at the end of the job whichever comes first. I once let one job run 3 weeks before I got paid and it was a new customer and I was getting nervous but it was not an issue and he paid immediately when I finished by truck light.
Durf,
Sorry for the mix up. I should have noted your location and if so I'd have realized it was not SYP. I think I have 2-3 hemlocks on my place. The only one big enough to ever saw is full of railroad spikes and there is an old aluminum deer stand left up in it. That was before I got a sawmill and did not know better. ;D I occasionally saw hemlock but usually it is a customer in one of our surrounding counties as not much here.
Mr Lynn
I'm glad you got to work with your grandson.
I worked many days with my Peper'e when I was young.
I will probably never get to have that experience.
Lynn,
So glad to see you and that fine grandson working together. I had many like experiences when I was a young man.
He will never forget it.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on August 27, 2020, 11:18:56 AMI tell my customers I get paid at the end of each week or at the end of the job whichever comes first.
Yes, since this was a new customer and I knew that it would extend beyond one week, I stated in the "Sawing Contract" that I would be paid at the end of each week. Actually I was paid on Friday for the sawing through Thursday and Friday's sawing was added to the next week. It worked very well. I can appreciate the natural apprehension when the weekly invoices are above a thousand$$.
I have stated before that with 19 years of sawing, I have never not gotten paid for any sawing done.
I have gotten another benefit from sawing and wearing steel toe boots:
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A Redneck tan line. ::)
Magic, I've enjoyed seeing the pictures of Luke and knowing what a joy this must have been for you having him with you this summer. I will miss seeing him in future pictures. I know you will miss having him with you.
The very best to both of you.
Mr Lynn,
My Redneck tan lines look different this year.
Shorts with compression sleeves up to my knees.
I have one ring on each leg up to my shorts line.
It looks pretty funny. ;D
I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings but those are not the kind of tan lines I am looking for. ::)
I finished my customer order today and even squeezed in a small ash order which included re-sawing a LE slab into 2X2 strips for the customer.
My customer's poplar order turned out to be 1865 bf. I exceeded every category on his cut list (which totaled 1407 bf) except for the 1X3 battens and I can throw a handful of excess 1X6's on the mill and cut those in 1-2 passes. I will let him make that call. It was after dark when I came in so no picture tonight either.
Today, I trimmed some southern yellow pine ceiling joists for my customer.
They started out as 4x14x14' timbers I believe when they were installed in the train station in Concord, NH.
Now they were around 3.75 by 13.75 x 14' or so.
He wanted me to trim off 1/2" on each face.
He is intending to make them a counter top for his wife's new coffee shop in a nearby city.
As I was concerned about this job, I asked him how he was going to transport them over to my sawmill yard. He said he was going to rent a uhaul truck and bring them over.
Before he did, I suggested that I meet him at his place and inspect the timbers for "nails" along the top edge of the timber. Because he told me that there wasn't any nails in the timbers. That they were bolted in and all the bolts had been removed. Yea right we've all heard that on before.
Wednesday, I inspected them and sure enough there were not nails along one edge. These were truly "ceiling joists" and not floor joists. There must have not been a floor above them as the edges had the same appearance in age.
He arrived on time with a helper to move them out of the truck and onto the sawmill rails.
I started by cutting the edges to clean one up nice. And then flip it 180° to bring them down to the width he wanted, which was 11".
Then I cut one face and then the second face to thickness.
Of course some of these had some twist to them.
I suggested that we get once "good A face" on each one and that the "B face" would be the bottom. And if that face didn't clean up completely that it wouldn't matter as this was the bottom of the counter.
He agreed.
The second one I saw a nail on the first edge and we pulled that one out.
On the four one, on the final cut, we hit one small brad nail. But I manged to get to the end of the timber.
Here are these pieces:
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He was very happy with the job. And these were very nice timbers.
Jim Rogers
Good looking timbers there Jim. It is fun to figure out how to help people like that.
I had 2 happy customers myself. The first was a repeat customer building an ash clothes cabinet with a seat for daughter #2 to match one he had built for daughter #1. He should have known to build each of them one at the same time. :D He wanted 5-2"X2"X8' strips which I cut out of a LE Ash slab, and I found him 10 6-10 inch wide 4/4X8' boards.
The next guy wanted some 8' long slabwood wide enough to cover some 6" porch posts. I had a couple of 9-10 inch 8' poplar "logs" left over from my neighbor's peeled pole project. I cut 2 sides off each then got 4 nice 4/4X6" boards out of the middle of each. He kept the edgings for tomato stakes or such. The rest he got out of my slab pile from my just finished customer's poplar order. His mentee (I guess that is the right term for a teenager he mentors) wanted several sacks of fresh poplar sawdust and he got them. All was scrap to me and I told him no charge but he tipped me for helping cut the slabs to length and such. His mentee had bought a nice locust bench from me for his dad for Father's Day and hoped to get it routered showing name and date and Happy Father's Day. He said his dad was thrilled with it. I asked if he got it engraved and he said his little sister wrote on it with a magic marker. I told him that would work and he said, no she did faces and all kind of art work. :D Turns out he had to re-sand it. I forgot to ask is he put more tung oil on it. I'd have given him some if he needed it. Anyway it sounds like baby sister had a good time. :D :D
I'm starting to saw up some red oak logs I have.This is the first 2 small 8ft logs.
I don't have much luck selling red oak. I usually make plow stakes out of it.
I have 2 big logs I'm going to
Quarter saw.
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Sawed the couple white pine I brought home from my camp in the Adirondacks.
1x13x8 far a customer in NJ that builds boxes and sells them on esty. Nice logs make nice lumber.
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Nice yield from straight logs.
It nice to cut good logs sometimes :)
I try not to get used to it.
It makes production much easier.
Quote from: Magicman on August 27, 2020, 08:37:48 AMLuke and I kicked this job in the butt log yesterday. He goes back to school Monday so this was our last job together for the Summer. He learned a lot about sawing and probably also learned a bit about me. We had a wonderful time together. Thank You Luke !!!
So here is Luke's first day "not sawing" and back in school.
https://youtu.be/20-hNQczNLI (https://youtu.be/20-hNQczNLI)
It began with a Senior Parade. (a better video)
cool. I hope with all his experience, they were letting him drive the truck. 8) 8) 8) :) :) :) fun.
Quote from: Bruno of NH on August 31, 2020, 07:06:48 AM
It nice to cut good logs sometimes :)
I try not to get used to it.
It makes production much easier.
I got into some pine logs that looked good from the outside but I soon discovered that every bump on the log was a place where the tree had healed over a hard 4 inch+ black knot. Tough on a blade. But good ole 4° double hard's handled it.
Today, I decided I'd try and load this flopper. I was told that is what these are called because a log would roll. This one did not, roll.
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I did get it over to the log loader but again with the butt end way off center to the loader and no way to slide it towards the hitch, I strapped it off with my heavy duty yellow strap.
This allowed me to lift it up but not all the way onto the table/bed rails.
With a little push from my bobcat it was on the table:
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Now to undo the strap:
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Still has some tension on it.
And just for others in the future, make sure your strap ratchet handle doesn't line up with the clamp bar, preventing it from opening up enough to release the strap:
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Looks like a good time to stop and have some lunch.....
I guess I'll have to get creative to figure out how to release the strap.
More later after I solve it.
Jim Rogers
hatchet ?!!! :D smiley_indianchief axe, tommy hawk?!! 8)
Quote from: doc henderson on September 01, 2020, 01:19:40 PM
hatchet ?!!! :D smiley_indianchief axe, tommy hawk?!! 8)
No, I like my yellow strap.....
Jim Rogers
I got the strap free by pushing the log back onto the loader a little with the bobcat.
then about the third cut sawed into a chain hanging from a screw eye under a knot.
Jim Rogers
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:D Sometimes I go to work just to see what's going to happen today.
I'm sawing nothing because I broke the curl cylinders on my tractor. Not a good time to break the loader since the huge log I broke the loader with I'm supposed to quarter saw. Not gonna happen if I can't lift a cant off the mill.
Firefighter, maybe your local dealer has a loaner piece of equipment you could use. Or maybe they will let you test drive one for "maybe a future purchase" that would let you to finish your current log.
The first "Neanderthal" table from the big pines. 4X12 with a pinned dog bone base. Heavy.
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WOW. that is one flat and shiny top.. how is it (the top) finished different than the rest of the piece? is that a table top epoxy? that is a hunk of wood. what kind of saw for the nice :o :o :o curves of the legs and stringer?
Doc , I coated the top with GF Armorall at 5 this morning and took the photos with a wet top. Base coat is penetrating epoxy. I used one of my shop bandsaws to cut the curves and a spindle sander to smooth them out.
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This job done , my crew comes in at 7 AM to keep working on Mingei Museum while switch to NNRH Sacramento. Last week the designers and architects did another design walk through allowing us to move ahead with the inlays and joinery
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looks like your place would be fun to hang out. nice projects. huge scale.
Working here is like body surfing on a tsunami.
Rob, that is a pretty quick turn around from logs to finished furniture on the big pines. The table looks amazing. I suspect lifting that thing will pull one's back pockets together.
Yes,,,That is why the snap together leg parts-also easier to ship next week.Cheers !
Looking absolutely fantastic 👍
Sawed black locust all day in the rain it At least kept the dust down. The mill was a mess :D
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I sawed "alone" today without Luke.
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The ERC "logs" that were there when we set the sawmill up last week were still there
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and had gathered two more. There were 11 logs total with the largest being a 12" butt.
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Eight 6/4, two with one live edge, three 5X5's, two 3X4's, and the rest 1" with some live edge. This was a travel and minimum charge job so I did not scale the lumber. The customer was very pleased and gave me a $50 tip.
My next job is Friday and I think that it will be sawing SYP.
even your sawmill looks a little sad... we all miss Luke. i am sure he is enjoying school and his friends! i would be so thankful to have all that time spent with your grandson. that is so rare these days. i am sure you are thankful as well. God bless.
Aha! The truth comes out! We saw the last post with a couple tractor trailer loads of wood all neatly stacked and stickered when Luke was along. Now when the MM saws by himself we see one little piddling trailer with the deck barely covered and nothing was stickered. We see who has been doing all the work this summer. :D :D :D
I had a guy call me about 3:00 pm and wanted me to saw some wedding cookies for him so I told him I could do them this afternoon but was booked up till next week so he said he'd be down about 6:00 pm. I went out and got everything ready with the mill and gates open, horse and mule in their stalls out of the way, etc. He called at 6:00 pm still about 45 minutes out then overshot my house about half a mile or so and finally got here just before 7:00 pm we had to rush with the remaining light. Turned out he had come from Huntington WV, 140 miles away. He wanted 16 - 6/4 ash cookies about 13-14 inches in diameter and had 2-3 pieces of fresh cut/green firewood length "logs". I got 14 cookies out of the first one then cut 4-5 more till the customer stopped me. Then he had me cut a 30" piece of sentimental elm into 8/4 LE slabs for a swing.
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Turns out the wedding cookies are for the younger sister of a young lady who was in my wife's HS band and my wife did her wedding photos. Its a small world. I did not know they were even back in the state. Oh yeah - the wedding is this Saturday.
I showed the guy my primitive benches and offered to make one or two out of his slabs but he declined. He took pictures and said he will be back.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on September 02, 2020, 08:32:34 PMAha! The truth comes out! We saw the last post with a couple tractor trailer loads of wood all neatly stacked and stickered when Luke was along. Now when the MM saws by himself we see one little piddling trailer with the deck barely covered and nothing was stickered. We see who has been doing all the work this summer. :D :D
Guilty as charged!! :-X
MM,
All kidding aside I'm betting most of us here on the forum are envious seeing you get to spend such quality time with your grandson. I'm betting Luke will be telling all his friends the rest of his life about the first summer he spent sawing lumber with his grandpa. Well done to both of you. smiley_clapping smiley_clapping smiley_clapping
Quote from: firefighter ontheside on September 01, 2020, 08:23:01 PM
I'm sawing nothing because I broke the curl cylinders on my tractor. Not a good time to break the loader since the huge log I broke the loader with I'm supposed to quarter saw. Not gonna happen if I can't lift a cant off the mill.
You can't ignore the curl/dump function of the joystick and just use the loader to lift and remove logs? Plug or cap the lines if open?
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Magicman on August 31, 2020, 08:48:06 AM
Quote from: Magicman on August 27, 2020, 08:37:48 AMLuke and I kicked this job in the butt log yesterday. He goes back to school Monday so this was our last job together for the Summer. He learned a lot about sawing and probably also learned a bit about me. We had a wonderful time together. Thank You Luke !!!
So here is Luke's first day "not sawing" and back in school.
https://youtu.be/20-hNQczNLI (https://youtu.be/20-hNQczNLI)
It began with a Senior Parade. (a better video)
Lynn,
You are truly blessed having your Grandson help out for the summer.
I feel blessed if I can just get my son outside to help me for 5 minutes. But since he is a chef................I don't have to cook on his days off.
hugs, Brandi
Howard,
Down here in blistering hot and sweltering humid Middle Georgia, that green lichen growing on the ash bark is a distinctive characteristic.
WDH
We get the green lichen on oak and ash that grows in some spots.
Just got some oak in with it on the bark.
Yeah, I was surprised to find he had green ash as most of ours are dead and much drier. That was the first elm I have ever sawed. Not much use for it around here. I tie catfish lines to lots of them on the river but that is about all I have even done with it. :D
I do my cookies one log at a time. I just set the log on the horizontal rod/cylinder on the clamp, close it nearly done then set it on the lip, rock it back near level and clamp it tight. I do lose the bottom 3". Next time I will try putting a 6" square 8/4 cutoff and maybe I can squeeze out one more cookie. I tried making jigs and such to cut multiples and one one always get loose, jerk free, destroy a band, ruin a couple of cookies, etc. One at a time works better. Once you start cutting you just zip right through them in seconds anyway so it is still a very simple process but never fails to impress the customer. ;D
I do them one at a time. I used to put a screw or two through my 2x jig to help hold. if the clamp is in the log I feel more secure. I try to find a flat spot to put against the jig.
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Quote from: Bindian on September 03, 2020, 01:11:58 AM
Quote from: firefighter ontheside on September 01, 2020, 08:23:01 PM
I'm sawing nothing because I broke the curl cylinders on my tractor. Not a good time to break the loader since the huge log I broke the loader with I'm supposed to quarter saw. Not gonna happen if I can't lift a cant off the mill.
You can't ignore the curl/dump function of the joystick and just use the loader to lift and remove logs? Plug or cap the lines if open?
hugs, Brandi
Yeah. I'm not even gonna start the tractor until the cylinders are put back on.
I thought I was closing my grapple, but was tipping the forks
The result was the forks went into the ground ,as I was driving forward and over pressured the cylinder splitting it wide open. $1100 later we are back in operation.
Quote from: rjwoelk on September 03, 2020, 11:12:01 AM
I thought I was closing my grapple, but was tipping the forks
The result was the forks went into the ground ,as I was driving forward and over pressured the cylinder splitting it wide open. $1100 later we are back in operation.
OUCH!!!
GAB
Walnut of course.
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A couple of times a week I get calls that go something like this "Do you buy trees?". I polity say no but I might know somebody. After a little screening I'll give the caller a name of somebody that I think can help them. In the above picture the caller said he had a few walnut trees he would like to sell. I gave him the name of a logger that does little jobs nobody else will touch. The logger struck a deal with the landowner to buy the trees and brought me the logs to saw. Bringing the biguns tomorrow. Its a win for all involved.
Its all about building relationships. I get referrals from other sawmills, and return the favor. We all make money.
Larry,
I like that. I routinely refer previous customers to new customers who need an item or service they provide. I also often refer them to other sawmillers if they are significantly closer to them than me.
My today's sawing was all SYP and the cut list was 1"X6" and framing lumber.
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18 properly staged logs ranging from 8" to 26" top end.
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The first trailer load with 831bf.
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And the second with 1013bf for a total of 1844bf. Not a bad day.
Way to go MM!
Mr Lynn saws um and leaves um and on to another :)
Getting it done the southern way.
Quote from: doc henderson on September 03, 2020, 09:31:31 AM
I do them one at a time. I used to put a screw or two through my 2x jig to help hold. if the clamp is in the log I feel more secure. I try to find a flat spot to put against the jig.
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Doc, with those saw cuts in that stack of cookies and the lines on the house siding I thought for a second that you were also cutting house cookies.
I don't know why you need the 2X against the side supports. On my WM mill there is a metal plate there so the clamp squeezes it tight against the plate. Works fine with no additional jig or anything else required.
Had a mobile job today just across the lake from me. Unfortunately, takes an hour and 10 min. To drive around to it 🤓. The job was a good one, the customer had rented a skid steer and was able to keep the mill fed. We cut mostly 2x6x16' and 2x10x16' and ended up with 3121 board feet at 390 ft/hr. Sorry, forgot to take any pictures, but asked the customer to send me some tomorrow, so I can update.
WV sounds like our mills are made differently. my clamp lands between bunks and log stops.
Doing a "little bit of contract sawing" around my regular work "in my spare time." :D
The first 10.8 tonne of logs landed in my yard.
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2489.8 tonnes to come.
Yeah, no misprint. Also a new sawmill as well... I guess we're getting serious about it now.
Nice straight sticks, what species ? What type of new mill ? Rob
Darwin Stringybark. Eucalyptus tetrodonta. They're just about always straight, and come with big inspection windows in the ends but.... cuts a good board outside the pipe.
new mill will be a custom job... Everything off the shelf that can do I what I want is too slow (lack of teeth for want of horsepower for want of steel) and everything with enough horsepower wont like these logs.... I'm radial sawing them, recovery is through the roof compared to conventional patterns.Twin saw with a 50 HP 3 phase to each saw and some serious hydraulics for turning and clamping etc
They resemble the butts of the new utility poles going in on the line south of our place. They show up pre debarked??
John and I sawed some laurel oak for the son of a retired teacher friend yesterday. One of the logs was quite large but be managed. We are becoming spoiled with the hydraulics and the setworks. I used the tractor to slide the log up to the mill's lifting arms. The mill had no trouble loading it. The customer also purchased some Ipe that used to part of Disney World's Thunder Mountain RR. He wanted some of them resawn. Last time I did them on the table saw but these were flat enough to do on the mill, which saved some time. We cut them down to a little over 6' before resawing.
We gained a little extra width capacity by placing stickers underneath the cant and moving it closer to the mast. There are times when a wide head mill would be useful.
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We spent a little over three hours sawing this load but that included discussion with the customer trying to determine what he needed. We sawed some 26" wide 8/4 boards that were nice but the customer wanted them cut down to 6" wide. We followed MM's advice and gave the customer what he asked for.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvdu6ac9_yY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvdu6ac9_yY) Wide laurel oak.
re-sawing Ipe from Disney World - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg00OTpyjzE) Resawing Ipe
Planing Disney’s Thunder Mountain RR wood - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8237koQ7Hc) Planing short piece of weathered Ipe
A guy about 4 miles from me saws RR ties for Disney World. They ship logs from Africa to him and he saws and does other processing or shaping and ships them to Disney. Quite lucrative deal from what I gather. I don't like the guy, so I don't know other details about his deal.
Disney spends a lot of money but they charge a lot for entrance into their parks. Personally, I would rather go fishing, walk in the woods or do just about anything besides standing in line in 100° heat at a theme park.
Quote from: Nebraska on September 06, 2020, 09:26:36 AM
They resemble the butts of the new utility poles going in on the line south of our place. They show up pre debarked??
yeah, any long enough go for poles, but the bulk of them grade out on excessive pipe, leave the bottom half in the bush and the rest scrapes in as a sawlog.
Bark off is... well bark on helps with moisture retention which helps with recovery (these wont rot in a billion years unless standing in water, and no grubs want to eat them) but... it's messy with it falling off all the way through the haulage system and there is a cumulative weight thing when freight is in bulk.... its all done in tonnes so a tonne of bark costs as much to ship as a tonne of log.
Bark weight on one log isn't that much but yanno... over a full load it does add up.
Wasn't there someone posting the other day about fishing and sawing making for happiness. Does a set line off the bow door count? :D :D :D
Kyle
I'm with you
I'd rather watch paint dry
Than wait in one big line all day.
Had a busy Labor Day weekend and got to sneak in some sawing. All White pine that a neighbor took down to build a new pole barn. He was going to burn everything, but offered me the logs and I gladly took them since I very rarely see pine around here big enough to saw. Largest log was 15" small end and the average was probably closer to 10". I now understand how you guys that cut pine all the time get the high bf/hr and huge amount of bf out of a blade. I only went through 3 blades, one of which committed suicide by taking a whack at the backstops ::) ::) ::)
Day 1 & 2 of sawing between family functions. 2x4x8', 2x4x10', 2x6x10', 5/8x7x10' (lap siding boards), and misc 4/4 stuff.
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Day 3 of sawing 2x6x10', more siding boards, and mainly misc 4/4 stuff, got it done just before the rain.
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I put pictures of the slab piles of Facebook and someone came and got all of it within 15 minutes for $40 8)
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Can you follow the maze of the broken blade? :o
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26 logs total for the weekend which was a lot of work by myself, but that pine was a joy to saw and it is likely the last time I will see any worth sawing. I didn't get a final tally on the bf, but I am assuming somewhere around 1600-1800 bf. Now if I could find someone to get it all stacked and sticked :D
I say congratulation on your successful sawing event. That is a very nice whack of lumber and getting rid of the slab/flitch pile was a bonus. You did good!! thumbs-up
Quote from: Magicman on September 08, 2020, 07:59:05 AM
I say congratulation on your successful sawing event. That is a very nice whack of lumber and getting rid of the slab/flitch pile was a bonus. You did good!! thumbs-up
Getting rid of the slab pile is an event worthy of celebration!!!!
I have sawn a wide variety of species, but one that I never sawn is Southern magnolia, Magnolia grandiflora. I suspect that those of you that are glacial bound and not from the deep South have not sawn much of it either. You mainly see it planted as an ornamental in landscapes and yards, but it is a native species in the South and can be found growing wild. It can get quite large on the right site. The Georgia champion is 5 and a half feet in diameter.
A Forester friend of mine working in South Georgia just North of the Florida line was harvesting a tract in Brooks County and called me to tell me that there were some big magnolia logs on the tract. Of course I was fired up about getting some of the logs. It was 120 miles away, so I made a road trip and the logger loaded my trailer with 5 nice logs. He had a set of portable scales so that we were able to weigh each log. The logs were 17.5 to 18.5 feet long.
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Here are the five logs on the trailer.
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The first log on the mill shows a little heartwood, but not much. I was hoping for more heartwood as in magnolia it can be striking.
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I sawed the largest one, which was 30" on the butt, today in 9/4 slabs. Magnolia has an interesting feature in the wood in that the growth ring at the end of each year is terminated with a band of parenchyma cells called terminal parenchyma. Parenchyma cells are not water conducting cells but living cells that store sugars and stuff. This band of terminal parenchyma shows up as a somewhat dark band at the growth ring boundary, almost like a light pencil line, that can be seen on the end grain. Other magnolia species have this feature, and even yellow poplar, which is in the Magnolia family, has terminal parenchyma. What sets Southern magnolia apart to a degree is that often there is a double band of terminal parenchyma at the growth ring boundary. This creates an interesting "grain" on the flatsawn surface where the darker terminal parenchyma is easily seen. Here is a pic that shows how this terminal band of parenchyma stands out.
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While there was not a lot of heartwood in this log, there was just enough to liven up two 21" wide 9/4 slabs. Notice how the sapwood is almost white, providing a very nice contrast with the dark heartwood.
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The pics are of the butt half of the largest log (the largest log weighed 3650 pounds) that I cut in into two 8'9" pieces. I also sawed the other half so this 17.5' log yielded 468 bf of 9/4 slabs.
Nice magnolias,Danny. We have only sawn one southern magnolia and it had no heartwood. The place that sells a lot of our wood had wood from one with a big heart and the slabs from it sold for a lot of money.
Danny,
Nice wood. I am pleased you found one that big that was still solid. I grew up in NW Fla north of Pensacola and we had a lot of wild magnolias and also Sweet Bay which is a real close cousin and they tended to be hollow by the time they got much size on them. They grew in real wet areas along intermittent streams and drainage areas. The only magnolia I have sawn up here has been cucumber tree.
I have a magnolia tree in my yard that is my wife's pride and joy. I've never cared for it....it makes a mess when the pedals fall. However, now I see some value in it. I wonder how upset she would be if it went missing. Hmmm.....
It might be a tad hard to miss :).
WDH, Really nice looking wood. What a table that would make with the flames in the middle. Yahoo.. 8)
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Glad you show that Danny. I have several logs that I got off two fairly good sized ones that I have been pondering what to do with them. One comment I remember someone making was that the wood was uninteresting. Tim
It is a lot like poplar. It is very clean and light colored, so it becomes an alternative to maple to those who want a wood that is "not dark". Sap poplar and maple are the two lightest colored woods that I usually have on hand so this will be another alternative.
Tule, that is a beautiful island, and that is what I envision with the two big flame slabs. Hopefully they won't crack at the pith too bad.
Yup, I sawed SYP framing lumber today....
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but it was from two 20' logs and 18 pecker poles. (Two 20's were bucked to 10' so it actually became 20 logs total.)
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The 20's became 2X8's & 2X6's (one 18') and the 10's became 2X4's & a few 1X4's. (Scrap stuff in the back of trailer) No scale because this was a minimum sawing rate job. I started sawing at 7:45 and finished at 12:00.
Weather permitting my next sawing job is scheduled for Tuesday sawing SYP, Oak, & Poplar.
This morning it was cool and foggy, perfect day to run the mill. First up was a few red oak tornado salvage logs trucked in from an interesting place known as Hog Scald Hollar on Beaver Lake Ar. It's interesting because a lot of folks like to skinny dip.....
Once the red oak was finished I got back to slabbing walnut. Over a hundred sawn so far this week and I still have more logs for tomorrow.
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I'm almost exclusively using Kasco 1-1/2 .050 7 degree bands. They are by far the smoothest cutting bands I've ever used. In the above picture my feed slowed a little going through the 32" wide crotch and you can see a couple of marks. Once out of the crotch no blade marks at all and its very smooth. Really a happy Kasco customer.
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When I unloaded this log my customer/logger was going to saw off the branch stub. I told him to leave it and I would remove it once on the mill if it wouldn't clear the guides. I was able to position the log so I had plenty of clearance. I think it adds a lot of character $$$$ to the slab and he should sell two together for a bookmatch. It was 30" at the big end.
Do you guys have any recommendations for a non-marring cant hook? I have a Woodchuck Dual which is great for bucking firewood, but I don't like that sometimes It laves indentations on the cant face.
I can't see how a cant hook would work without hooking into the wood. That is how they are designed to work. All I know to do is try to hook on the edge that will be edged off later. If you want to protect a sawed surface you will either have to flip it by hand or use a strap or something that does not bite into the wood.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on September 12, 2020, 04:53:04 PM
I can't see how a cant hook would work without hooking into the wood. That is how they are designed to work. All I know to do is try to hook on the edge that will be edged off later. If you want to protect a sawed surface you will either have to flip it by hand or use a strap or something that does not bite into the wood.
I try to flip by hand, but I've recently been sawing larger logs and they required the hook. I guess I'll try and keep it close to the ends since I cut logs a bit over what I need.
I just go the very end of the cant.
Here is an idea for a "Possible Won't Hook" that was pitched a few years ago: LINK (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=65672.0)
Sometimes I wrap a nylon tow strap around the cant a couple times and lift up with the loader on my tractor. It will roll the cant without damage if you go easy. A little slow, but it works. I guess you could rig up a winch above the mill somehow and do the same thing without having to fetch a loader each time you want to flip the cant
Patrick makes a good point along the lines I was thinking by using a strap. I guess you could place a long bar along the cant and make a couple turns around it and the cant with a wide strap then turn it with the bar but all this involves a lot of time and you have to lift the log/cant for clearance to wrap the strap (like Patrick describes). There is a big safety issue too. When a cant hook slips bad things happen. That is why I describe my LogRite as a piece of safety equipment rather than as a sawmill tool because it does such a good job biting into the wood and holding rather than slipping like a dull pointed hook.
after the log is a cant, it is easier to grab the edge of the cant, can you slip a bit of hose on the tip so it does not dig in. just leave the sharp points for the rounded sides that will be cut off.
Quote from: SpaceBus on September 12, 2020, 04:25:51 PM
Do you guys have any recommendations for a non-marring cant hook? I have a Woodchuck Dual which is great for bucking firewood, but I don't like that sometimes It laves indentations on the cant face.
As others have mentioned, a strap and a winch will do the trick. Much easier to build this in if you are not mobile. This is how mine is set up. I will still turn with the hook often (it's slightly faster than getting out the strap) but I strap and winch if the cant is too big. The old ATV winch I had laying around and installed it over the mill, it works OK but an upgrade is coming soon as this has proven to be an essential part of my milling.
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there was a thread on making large wooden open end wrenches, but you either need a whole set, or a close to standard size cant.
Seems like something like a chain wrench (not sure if that's the right name) would work. Basically a 60" handle with a length of strap attached to the end and a strap buckle like you see on refrigerator carts. Put the handle on top of the cant, quick hook of the strap through the buckle and turn.
I think they make a strap wrench to remove oil filters and such, If it had a cam that would tension the band pulling in one direction, and slack in the other like a ratchet, might be handy.
Quote from: Magicman on September 11, 2020, 05:18:16 PMWeather permitting my next sawing job is scheduled for Tuesday sawing SYP, Oak, & Poplar.
Hurricane/Tropical Storm Sally has postponed my sawing until the end of the week. The rainfall prediction for here is ~10" but our biggest threat is/should be tornadoes that might be spun off. Tuesday will be our "big day" so we will just hunker down.
I've just been piddling sawing a small 6-7 ft long spruce log every day or two to work on my deer blind project and yesterday I resawed a 6' basswood 2X12 into 2- 3/4" boards and a trim cut and took them to the flea market to a customer today. This afternoon I had a guy bring me 4-8' and 2-10' treated 4X4's. He had removed them from a deck or something and washed them good and cut off one end with a nail in it. He wanted them each re-sawed into 3-1X4 boards. I offered to swap him other wood I had in stock for them but he was determined that was what he needed. I put them down 2 at a time as I was scared the clamp might buckle and slip with a 3rd one, set the scale at 3.5", Simpleset to 1-1/8", 2 drops and 2 passes per pair and after a whopping 6 cuts we were done and he was very well pleased. I had warned him the treating might not reach the center and a couple looked a little paler inside but he said he was going to stain them anyway. I felt guilty charging him $10 but I know I had more time in it that that setting up and he was happy. He came with 52' of 4X4 he could not use and left with 156' of 1X4's he could. You never know what people will come up with.
I packed up the mill and took it to the front lot and gave it a bath in preparation for a 1 mile trek and 3-4 small white oak logs for a neighbor tomorrow. When I put my water hose up I saw the R tire on the mill was flat. My little 12V compressor would not pump it up so I put the spare on and will take this one to the shop tomorrow to see what the problem was.
Quote from: doc henderson on September 13, 2020, 10:19:50 AM
I think they make a strap wrench to remove oil filters and such, If it had a cam that would tension the band pulling in one direction, and slack in the other like a ratchet, might be handy.
I think that a shorter strap choked on the cant, you could turnit with a pry bar or 4' 2x2 even. Something I may try to rig up.
I should clarify, my thought was to make a large version of the strap wrenches that are made for oil filters, like the big wooden open end wrenches seen in some other thread.
You could also buy a mill with hydraulics and a two plane clamp :).
Quote from: WDH on September 13, 2020, 07:45:48 PM
You could also buy a mill with hydraulics and a two plane clamp :).
Danny:
That would be too easy.
GAB
A few of the last jobs:
Small package for a hot tub privacy fence and change room
1x4, 2x4, 2x6, 4x4, 6x6
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2pc 10x10's for a custom driveway gate. Now I know why it is called a dead deck, cuz when you load big logs you are dead ;)
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If you off load with a forked piece of equipment and ever struggle to load, you need a beam bar in your life. Tap a wedge into the curf at the end of the log, insert beam bar, and lever up. Place a chuck of 2x4 in, repeat on the other side. Lots of room for forks to slide right in, or straps to get around.
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Bucking and sorting 8's, 12's and 16's for the next few cut list. A garden fence for my folks and a woodshed for me. Full length logs in behind the 8's
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I use a rope winch hanging from the rafters works great.
Sure is nice when the customer shows up with with mostly cants. 3 of us got through this in 3 hrs, 3 blades, no metal. Started raining about 1/2 way through the job but we motored through it. WOW, WRC dust sure sticks to everything when it's raining.
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1850 BF of fencing and 1x10's.
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A real long day for the small amount accomplished. 379 bf of mostly WO with one RO log. Biggest was 12' and 100 bf of 4/4 boards. 2 logs became 8' 2X4's and the rest were "Board Feet" as my 86 y/o customer called them. He was walking with a cane, half blind, terrible tractor driver and I ended up doing the stacking too. More of a social visit than a work day but I enjoyed most of it. I did have intermittent problems with the engine bogging down on the mill. I could never pin it down but seemed like it was worse after it had run a while rather than fresh started after setting a few minutes. The cuts all looked good even though the logs seem to have been down a while and there were some big knots in a couple. i will call WM in the morning. I'm hoping it is something simple like an air filter or fuel filter or such and may go ahead and swap them. This job was a mile away but I have one big job in a couple weeks and a 2 day job about 45 miles away and need to be sure it is working right before then.
Oh My!! Just when I think that I can finally dig out, a repeat customer calls with over 200 16' SYP and Oak logs to saw. The SYP will be framing lumber and the Oak will be 1" "boards". Just a rough estimate puts this at over 30Mbf. The good thing is that I can probably saw for a week and then skip a week or so. Hopefully I can work Marty into this job to do a good portion of the sawing. Hopefully.
I just put another customer off until after the first of the year that has even more and larger logs. I estimated ~40Mbf for him and he wanted to know "when"? Thankfully his "logs" are still standing.
This lumber/timber business is crazy. Lumber prices are through the roof and yet the landowner is being offered virtually nothing for his timber.
Quote from: doc henderson on September 13, 2020, 10:19:50 AM
I think they make a strap wrench to remove oil filters and such, If it had a cam that would tension the band pulling in one direction, and slack in the other like a ratchet, might be handy.
A Ford Wrench comes to mind. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Crescent-11-in-Automotive-Sliding-Wrench-C711H/204062926?source=shoppingads&locale=en-US&mtc=Shopping-B-F_Brand-G-Multi-NA-Multi-NA-Feed-PLA-NA-NA-Catchall_PLA&cm_mmc=Shopping-B-F_Brand-G-Multi-NA-Multi-NA-Feed-PLA-NA-NA-Catchall_PLA-71700000014585962-58700001236285396-92700010802552391&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIz8WBosrq6wIVlIrICh09cAHUEAQYBCABEgJUBPD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Just make a huge one and put wood inserts in the flat "jaws". I am thinking like a bigger version of the sliding wood clamps, on a grand scale. Even a pry bar with an overcenter latch that opens and closes parallel jaws.
hugs, Brandi
I've been sawing red oak. There were four logs and I sawed up the last one this morning.
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These logs were flat sawed but there was some nice flecking near the pith.
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I ended up with a nice little wack of lumber and a lot of the boards are clear.
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I love the look of red oak but I do not like the smell. Now, pine smells good and pine will be my next sawing project.
All the best.....Cutter
Don't like to see this:
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Hopefully I won't hit it but most likely I will.
Jim Rogers
I got another call today and drove out and looked at his logs. :o
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This SYP will be 2X6 and larger framing lumber for the customer's new home. There is an identical whack of Red Oak behind this that will be 8X8 post as well as inside trim lumber, etc.
It just keeps on piling in. ::)
You're a force to be reckoned with MM.
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A friend just brought over a Yellow birch log that was submerged in an adjacent lake for at least 130 years! This was cut for Veneer with axe and crosscut saw and hauled out on the ice by horse. Obviously this log never made the brook and sunk. It is around 11 feet long and 32" at the butt ( 31" top). What treasure will this hold!?
Solved that problem:
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I didn't need any lumber from that top end of the log.
Jim Rogers
Hemlock bridge planking job 4x8x14 then
Red oak 5/4×5×8 Fence board job.
The orders keep coming in.
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Bruno are you going mobile? How often?
Quote from: gump on September 17, 2020, 04:21:40 AMA friend just brought over a Yellow birch log that was submerged in an adjacent lake for at least 130 years! This was cut for Veneer with axe and crosscut saw and hauled out on the ice by horse. Obviously this log never made the brook and sunk. It is around 11 feet long and 32" at the butt ( 31" top). What treasure will this hold!?
I hope you're not teasing us but will bring us along for the journey!
Clark
Dennis,
No , I just mill at my place.
I have been asked to go mobile but haven't.
Bruno
Bruno
I have always used white oak for fence boards and have never heard of red oak being used for anything exposed to weather .I would like to know how it turns out .
Zeke
Zeke,
It was a customer request for the red oak.
I would have sold them black locust but I'm still waiting on 3 more loads the hit the mill.
Common here to use red oak 1x6 for horizontal pasture fencing spans between posts. Theres a lot of red oak around here. White too, but less so.
Wow I learn something here everyday thank you .We have a lot more red oak than white oak on our farms and we do not cut white oak down unless they are dead or dying .
Grandson Ben and I sawed a few logs today.
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Eleven logs which consisted of SYP, Poplar, and Post & Red Oak.
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First up was this knotty monstrosity.
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Not a problem because the Turbo7°'s sliced through the huge knots without a single wave.
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The lumber will be used for the customer's Wife's "She Shed" ceiling.
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In another topic YellowHammer describes the deep gullet combined with the sawing speed removing all of the sawdust from the board. This cant has not been brushed or anything done to remove the sawdust.
Those blade scratches indicate that I was traveling about 1½" per blade revolution. I did not notice the scratches until I saw the picture or I would have measured the distance. I also do not see the blade scratches in the first pictures so apparently a hit a small rock, etc. when I opened the first log faces. Probably embedded into one of those ugly knots because the log had been completely debarked. I was not running the Debarker.
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I didn't notice that the customer grabbed those top boards with wane out of the slab pile and messed my picture up. :-\ There were no 2X4's on the cut list and I certainly would not scale anything like that. ::)
Anyway, 2135bf sawed in 8 hours. He will be stickering tomorrow.
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Here is the difference:
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White oak holds up a lot better when it touches the ground...red not so much. Tim
Quote from: Clark on September 17, 2020, 06:11:17 PM
Quote from: gump on September 17, 2020, 04:21:40 AMA friend just brought over a Yellow birch log that was submerged in an adjacent lake for at least 130 years! This was cut for Veneer with axe and crosscut saw and hauled out on the ice by horse. Obviously this log never made the brook and sunk. It is around 11 feet long and 32" at the butt ( 31" top). What treasure will this hold!?
I hope you’re not teasing us but will bring us along for the journey!
Clark
Yes I will Clark.
I'm still just a weekend warrior, but I happen to have my excavator on the woodlot so I am fixing up my roads and trying to increase my sawmill area while available. Hoping to saw it in the next few weeks. we are planning to saw live edge boards 2"-3" thick.
We do not have much elm here, it dies real young. Sawed some 6"ers a few years ago and was real excited to get to work on the biggest MONSTER I have cut even for firewood (12" SED :o)
Standing dead of course. It had some ring shake(?) in first foot of butt log but made some real nice 4/4 to add to the pile. I would like to keep it but don't have an immediate use, maybe try to sell?
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A touch of spalting too
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it is pretty and interesting when finished. "exotic American hardwood"!
i some 5 foot diameter ones sitting in my yard if you are passing through with a trailer, I will load you out! @mudfarmer (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=27318)
It will be a few days before I come through your way.. Can you saw, kiln dry and plane them while you wait?? :)
The answer is Yes, Yes I can. the next question is, will I? Let me know if you ever wind up in the area.
I too have some elm sitting waiting to be sawed, but since my tractor is still not fixed, I am sawing nothing. I keep calling about my hyd cylinders and I get "next week". Im getting a little irritated. I asked whats taking so long. He said that it takes a lot of time to make the new rods. No doubt it does, but if I'm paying for all his hours for the last 2 weeks, I'm getting a real bargain at $650.
Ok ffots, you need to see, and look for the light at the end of the "cylinder" . I am sure you feeling "hosed" "coupled" with all the "pressure" you are under. to "seal" the deal. you are a hot "rod" with a lot of "fluid" projects to get done, so you do not over "extend" yourself. it would be nice to "pin" them down. i am just trying to "pump" you up a little, despite their long "cycle time". sorry!... :)
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Ok ffots, you need to see, and look for the light at the end of the "cylinder" . I am sure you feeling "hosed" "coupled" with all the "pressure" you are under. to "seal" the deal. you are a hot "rod" with a lot of "fluid" projects to get done, so you do not over "extend" yourself. it would be nice to "pin" them down. i am just trying to "pump" you up a little, despite their long "cycle time". sorry!... :)
......Let's see now; Where is that "cringe" emoji......?
Quote from: firefighter ontheside on September 18, 2020, 05:59:24 PM
I too have some elm sitting waiting to be sawed, but since my tractor is still not fixed, I am sawing nothing. I keep calling about my hyd cylinders and I get "next week". Im getting a little irritated. I asked whats taking so long. He said that it takes a lot of time to make the new rods. No doubt it does, but if I'm paying for all his hours for the last 2 weeks, I'm getting a real bargain at $650.
Sorry to hear about your wait. They hydraulic supply place Mike and others might have mentioned is a good choice if it happens again. Personally I look to find mennonite/amish shops, they do the whole thing for that price.
Thanks, that really did "curl" my spirits.
John and I sawed some really nice longleaf pine today. The ground became saturated Wednesday and the sand turned to mud. We pulled the mill out of the shed and sawed in the yard today. I really think WM should put fine adjust outriggers on all of their portable mills. We had to adjust the supports several times today. We will eventually make some for this machine. The lumber we sawed today will be used for the framing of a cabin in Alabama. Some of the 10" boards were completely clear and some had curly grain. All of it except a few side boards are on stickers.
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We moved the mill out of the shed rather than working in ankle deep water all day. By the end of the day most of this water had soaked into the ground.
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Very fine.
Seeing the "feathers" on some of the the boards reminded me of a SMG sawmill demo I had seen a few years ago.
After sawing the squared cant into boards he would turn and re-clamp the boards with the feathers up and set the saw to the board width and made a quick pass to remove the feathers, the whole process didn't seem to take any longer than 30 seconds.
Nice lumber!
That is a good idea on the feathers. I find myself pulling them off of the cypress and pine to chew on. Those 70 so short boards will hopefully find their way into some farm tables.
We got the mill put back into the shed this morning but it rained here again last night. We spent over an hour trying to get the mill positioned and set up due to the squishy, rutted up ground around the shed. We put 16" pavers underneath each outrigger but even with that much surface area they loosen up relatively quickly. It'll dry out soon and we'll have firmer ground again. We did not get nearly the quantity of rain that some of you along the northern Gulf got.
caveman, i am sure you can figure this out on your own, but was curious if you have guttering, and could you run some 4 inch plastic sock covered drain tile to stabilize the soil under your great saw shed?
The last time I ran my mill it kept bogging down and I took it to a local small engine mechanic who check the coils and replaced a fuel line and filter. We were seeing black fragments in the clear fuel filter. He blew out the air filter and put in some gas additive so I checked it on an old 10' RO log sitting on the lot. All the sap wood is gone but the heart looks good. The mill never bogged down but seems to slip a little which it did last time so I need to check the tension on the drive belt. The debarker did not run which is new and will require some troubleshooting. The log loader was real slow but I think that is from the 86 y/o customer dropping a log on it and bending the plate covering it. I tried to straighten it but will try my jack or spud bar tomorrow to straighten it some more. It just won't let the loader toggle raise enough to run full speed. I bought an installed a couple of cheap inline ignition testers but all they showed was things were running okay. I replaced the guts on my hitch which my customer also broke. I got about107 bf of pretty boards, mostly 1X10's out of the log.
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2 y/o RO log
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Last 4-1X10 boards off the log. I was afraid to overload John and took the rest earlier and forgot to take a picture.
No sawing for me this weekend, promised myself I would deal with this situation before starting the next job.
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The Kubota had to go off Island to the tractor shop, so I am behind on the cleanout.
Got the rest of the wood sorted, pretty decent 2nd growth fir for private land clearing
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With two kids, we teach them young not to climb or go near piles of logs......am trying some large wedges to lock piles in. I'd be interested to see or hear other ways to secure piles vs a deck.
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Quote from: Hilltop366 on September 20, 2020, 09:20:21 AM
Seeing the "feathers" on some of the the boards reminded me of a SMG sawmill demo I had seen a few years ago.
After sawing the squared cant into boards he would turn and re-clamp the boards with the feathers up and set the saw to the board width and made a quick pass to remove the feathers, the whole process didn't seem to take any longer than 30 seconds.
Nice lumber!
Are the feathers caused by the blade being sharp or dull? I get them sometimes, but usually on recently felled red spruce. It doesn't always happen to me, but that might be due to using a chainsaw and not a bandsaw.
I think it is just like any wood chipping out the back side of a cut with any kind of saw with the difference being sawmilling is a more coarse blade so the feathers are bigger.
With the sawmill I use to have (a 16 hp chainsaw mill with .404 chain) cutting spruce or fir it tended to vary by log and grain orientation but cutting speed was the biggest factor, with a narrower cant I could cut much faster but the feathers were bigger and longer.
I want this. I've never seen these little bobcat telehandlers. It looks like I can load logs with it during the week and use it as an ATV on the weekend. Lol.
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Quote from: Hilltop366 on September 21, 2020, 11:37:20 AM
I think it is just like any wood chipping out the back side of a cut with any kind of saw with the difference being sawmilling is a more coarse blade so the feathers are bigger.
With the sawmill I use to have (a 16 hp chainsaw mill with .404 chain) cutting spruce or fir it tended to vary by log and grain orientation but cutting speed was the biggest factor, with a narrower cant I could cut much faster but the feathers were bigger and longer.
What kind of saw? Here I thought my 395xp was a pretty big saw :D
16hp twin Briggs and Stratton.
Sawmill homemade / home built chainsaw mill - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmkm1WGTYmI)
Quote from: firefighter ontheside on September 21, 2020, 02:17:48 PM
I want this. I've never seen these little bobcat telehandlers. It looks like I can load logs with it during the week and use it as an ATV on the weekend. Lol.
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I want one but they are pricey
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I had a customer/neighbor come by this morning and wanted some 4/4 lumber to build a woodshed or such. He did not care what kind, 8' was long enough, and he wanted 200-250 bf. I told him I had spruce log down I'd cut today for him and he agreed to call and come by tomorrow. I had this 17' butt log I cut when i was making my deer blind project. I cut it in half and sawed it.
My sawmill engine did act up again. Based on suggestions from Dennis at WM Indy I put a couple of in-line ignition testers and found it is periodically running on one cylinder and I found it is the one on the left (Drive side) that is cutting out. I'll order a new coil and have my new small engine mechanic I met last week and really am impressed with, put it on.
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I only got about 138 bf out of the first 2 logs so I went up and cut another spruce. I did a poor job of cutting and got it hung and had to drag and cut off 8.5, drag some more and got it to stand straight then pulled the rest down the hill with John. Sawed these and same issue with the mill.
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Total tally for the 4 small small 8' logs was 259 which is perfect to fill the customer's order. I'll likely cut the top into 3/4" siding and framing about 7' long for future deer blinds/bus stops.
Quote from: firefighter ontheside on September 21, 2020, 02:17:48 PM
I want this. I've never seen these little bobcat telehandlers. It looks like I can load logs with it during the week and use it as an ATV on the weekend. Lol.
What is the capacity of that, in and out? Tipping forward in a telehandler raises the rears and counterweight up high and fast, the load dumps and then it slams back to the ground hammering the rear end. Make sure it is enough machine for the use. But it would be nice to have one that doesn't take 40 acres to turn around!
Have my mill at home and was doing some maintenance on it, then remembered about this:
An ornamental (flowering?) lawn tree I cut over a year ago that was pretty much dead from a friends place. These sections are about one meter long, just over a yard long. Don't know what type of tree this was.
When I made the first cut and removed the slab, :o :o :o! It is very yellow in colour.
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Quote from: RAYAR on September 21, 2020, 10:07:19 PMDon't know what type of tree this was.
Stunning! Was it fairly hard? The little bit of bark I see looks like Crape Myrtle.
Looks like chinaberry, but that should not be growing up there in the Land of Glaciation.
Kinda looks like a small larch
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Quote from: firefighter ontheside on September 21, 2020, 02:17:48 PM
I want this. I've never seen these little bobcat telehandlers. It looks like I can load logs with it during the week and use it as an ATV on the weekend. Lol.
What is the capacity of that, in and out? Tipping forward in a telehandler raises the rears and counterweight up high and fast, the load dumps and then it slams back to the ground hammering the rear end. Make sure it is enough machine for the use. But it would be nice to have one that doesn't take 40 acres to turn around!
Im not sure of its limits. It says it will lift 6000, but Im sure thats with no extension. I will not be buying, just wanting. This one is used for sale locally for 23,500.
Wow, that's a well designed machine, I think that's about the boomed in capacity of my partner's old 644 Lull that has a much larger footprint. That's actually a good price if the machine is tight. I did see another old 644 for 12k the other night, but those old ones are all way over hours.
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Quote from: RAYAR on September 21, 2020, 10:07:19 PMDon't know what type of tree this was.
Stunning! Was it fairly hard? The little bit of bark I see looks like crepe myrtle.
It kind of looks like it might be Crape Myrtle, but the zone map shows it to not be in this area. It seemed to have a texture of softwood. The wood looks like it might be Crape Myrtle from what I could find so far, more research to do on this. The bark was dry and pealing off of these pieces so I pealed off what I could, have some laying under the mill.
Thanks for a lead to get started on as I had no idea what it was.
Didn't saw anything today but called the local Kohler dealer and he had a coil in stock so I rushed over there 25 miles away and got it and got my new small engine mechanic to install it today. It looked simple to do but he has a better selection of tools including metric while mine for the mill are standard and had the feeler gauges and such to do it right so I have more confidence. I will try to saw up the spruce tops into stock siding and framing to make more bus stops/deer blinds and see if that fixed the problem. It seemed it would cut out and only run on one side after it warmed up. I don't know anything else that would cause that. My customer was at the house when we got back to pick up the 258 bf of spruce I cut yesterday.
My wife's older brother died last night so we are trying to get things set up to go to the memorial service in Ala around the end of next week and schedule around her brother from Alaska's arrival and stay. I have several small projects I'd like to finish before we go.
Fingers crossed....the guy says my loader cylinders should be done tomorrow. I bought a gallon of Super UDT2 to top off the fluid. I hope thats enough to replace what I lost. I've got a couple more saw jobs waiting for me to have my tractor working again.
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Quote from: ljohnsaw on September 21, 2020, 11:21:17 PM
Quote from: RAYAR on September 21, 2020, 10:07:19 PMDon't know what type of tree this was.
Stunning! Was it fairly hard? The little bit of bark I see looks like crepe myrtle.
It kind of looks like it might be Crape Myrtle, but the zone map shows it to not be in this area. It seemed to have a texture of softwood. The wood looks like it might be Crape Myrtle from what I could find so far, more research to do on this. The bark was dry and pealing off of these pieces so I pealed off what I could, have some laying under the mill.
Thanks for a lead to get started on as I had no idea what it was.
Planting in the wrong climate zone might be why it died.
Had a guy message me last night on FB, said he had some walnut logs and wanted to know about having them milled. He called me this morning and was curious about milling the logs and then making flooring out of them. I told him all about stacking and drying and then kiln drying and then having the boards milled into flooring. He said he didn't have that kind of time and I could have the logs if I come and get them. I'm going to look tomorrow morn. Only concern is if I can get them out of the yard. He sent pics and it broke my heart. The best log appeared to have been perfectly straight and about 24" diameter. It was cut into 3 chunks about 30". The rest was left long, so I will still get some good logs. The next log up appears to be about 9' long and about 22" diameter. There are some smaller ones too. I can't tell what was limbs. I'm hoping to get the tractor repaired tomorrow so I can go soon and load the logs on a borrowed 24' trailer that will haul logs and tractor at same time.
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Quote from: RAYAR on September 22, 2020, 01:58:35 PM
Quote from: ljohnsaw on September 21, 2020, 11:21:17 PM
Quote from: RAYAR on September 21, 2020, 10:07:19 PMDon't know what type of tree this was.
Stunning! Was it fairly hard? The little bit of bark I see looks like crepe myrtle.
It kind of looks like it might be Crape Myrtle, but the zone map shows it to not be in this area. It seemed to have a texture of softwood. The wood looks like it might be Crape Myrtle from what I could find so far, more research to do on this. The bark was dry and pealing off of these pieces so I pealed off what I could, have some laying under the mill.
Thanks for a lead to get started on as I had no idea what it was.
Planting in the wrong climate zone might be why it died.
I was talking to the person across the street whose sister used to own the place and found out it is Sumac. Doing more research, I figured it to be either Rhus or Staghorn, and looking at lumber from these two species, I'm leaning more towards the Staghorn Sumac.
Lately we have had some orders for 18' and 20' pine boards. The problem has been our log source is sporadic and all of the pine we had on hand was bucked to 16'6" and our log stretcher isn't working. I found some earlier in the week that are long enough and got a few loaded and hauled across town (31 traffic lights in 16 miles).
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sorry about you brother in law, Howard.
Praise the Lord, my tractor is fixed. Picked up the cylinders this afternoon and got them put back on. Everything works as it should again. So we are heading to pick up a load of walnut and hackberry out of a back yard. Gonna take my 18' trailer and a buddys 24' trailer. Hopefully I won't have any trouble bringing the logs out of the back yard. It's kinds of tight quarters back there. Might have to back the tractor out to the street and turn around there to load logs on trailer.
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Thanks Rich. I'll miss him. He was my fishing buddy when I was stationed at Albany Ga and those are my fondest memories of him. If there is fishing in heaven I expect he is watching his bobber moving right now. Looks like the memorial will be Saturday week so I'm trying to finish small projects here now.
I got out this afternoon and sawed 6 small 7' and one tiny 4' spruce log to test out my new coil we put on 2 days ago. Thanks to Dennis at WM Indy for pointing me in the right direction. I ran the mill for 2.5 engine hours and never had a repeat of the issue so hopefully that was the cause. now I still have to track down the problem with my debarker. I am sure it is a simple electrical issue but finding it may take some time.
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First batch - see little 4' piece already on the mill. It made a couple of 2X6's and a couple of 3" battens for future bus stop/deer blind.
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Next log 21' and I bucked into 7' sections. I sawed up the 17 butt for an order at the start of the week. I cut these into 3/4X6" & a few 3/4" X 8" boards and about 3 dozen 3" wide 1/2" battens all for future bus stop/deer blinds.
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Total yield approximately 265 square feet (I don't cite BF when under 4/4 thicknesses). This will side a couple of 4' square buildings. I will mostly cut the rest of the top up into 2X4 framing which I use in 6', 6.5' and 4' lengths.
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This is the last one I built. It is disassembled and on strapped down on my trailer for delivery to the customer this Saturday.
Do you guys know anything about sawing exotic hardwoods. I have a buddy who has been working for a flooring dealer. Apparently the owner asked my buddy about milling a log of cocobolo he has and of course my buddy mentioned me. If the guy buys me a carbide blade would it be a good idea or a bad idea.
When we had the lt-28 with the 25 hp gas engine we were told by members here that we did not have the hp to run the carbide blade. We ran 4° Kascos and WM blades when sawing Ipe and live oak.
WV, I am glad to see you have your engine troubles sorted out. Also, sorry for the loss of your brother in law.
Thanks, I was wondering about the hp issue. I only have 15 hp.
How big is the log? Cutting a 15" log needs less HP than a 30".
And wear a dust mask / long sleeves etc. A lot of those exotics can cause an allergic reaction.
Thanks Ian, I did read about the dust being toxic and causing an allergic reaction. It is not a large log from what I saw. Appeared to be about 5' long and maybe 12" diameter. If I were to do it, do you think I should get the carbide or just use my double hards.
@caveman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=12883) ,
Thanks.
Quote from: firefighter ontheside on September 24, 2020, 08:28:51 PM
Do you guys know anything about sawing exotic hardwoods. I have a buddy who has been working for a flooring dealer. Apparently the owner asked my buddy about milling a log of cocobolo he has and of course my buddy mentioned me. If the guy buys me a carbide blade would it be a good idea or a bad idea.
I have sawn cocobolo here in Costa Rica, you'll be fine with a bimetal blade, go slow. I had just 20hp also, probably less
take some pics! ;)
I run the carbides on my mill and am really happy with them. Mines a 19hp diesel.
Load of 4x8x14 hemlock bridge planking heading out today.
Big Bob on the load up.
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That's an awesome sight/site.
So bruno Did you buy the logs or just cut them for the customer. Why I ask is if the logger has more Hemlock.
Peter,
I bought the logs.
I was lucky this was his last load off the lot.
He was moving to a hardwood lot.
If you want I can send you his number.
Bruno, that must be a good feeling to see the results of your hard work heading out to be put to good use. Of course getting paid for it is even a better feeling. ;D
Cutter
It was a well needed completetion and pay day.
When my help shows up on time or even shows up we can get some things done.
Red oak fence boards today and 12" firewood for a special order.
Thanks, Bruno But he's going to a hardwood lot,
I will keep looking.
This sawmill thing is ok if you can get logs.
With so many small mills out there giving lumber away I have to rethink this sawmill thing.
Aromatic Red Cedar.
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New customer brought me a trailer load of Red Cedar "logs" to make into 1" boards.
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Though some of the "logs" left a lot to be desired. (A certain phrase about chicken pie comes to mind...). :D
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I did manage to carve out few hundred board feet of sweet smelling pinkish-purple planks, which the customer was happy with.
Red cedar arrives in a red wagon and gets sawn on an orange sawmill. Good deal.
what is the plan for the lumber.
My customer was going to pass them along to his customer that is going to use it for fence material. He originally asked if I would saw telephone (utility) poles for him, which I turned down.
Sawed my first pecan, the tree was a lightning casualty. Ended up with a mix of slabs, 1, 1.5 and 2.25 lumber. Soft in some areas, but also good figure and spalting.
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Not sawing today but I pulled my 750 hour service on my mill yesterday. Tightened the drive belt a little but everything else looked fine. My debarker had quit and I was chasing problems with it yesterday. I did find a small wire going to the solenoid had pulled out of the ring connector so I put it back in a re-crimped it. Still no power to the debarker motor. It would spin when I jumped power across a couple of poles in the solenoid. I called WM this a.m. and set it up for them to call me back at the mill. I went out and uncovered and removed the covers and turned on the switches and it worked properly. ::) I still don't know if was a loose wire or what and no real good way to check till I try to use it again. I hate intermittent problems! If the problem continues you can find and fix it but if intermittent you never know if or what fixed it or if it is fixed. I know the loose wire was main problem.
I finally ran my mill today after almost a month of my tractor being down and this was apparently the best time to have my first broken band after almost 4 years of having the mill. When I went change it I found that the saw shrouds were very full of white pine dust. I've never had that happen before. I guess white pine is worse than anything else I've ever milled as far as pitch goes. It was caked in there solid. I guess the blade got really hot and then broke.
FFOTS,
When I've had that with EWP I soak a rag in WD40 (I bought a one gallon can of liquid) and start scrubbing with it. There may be better solvents to get rid of it but that works for me.
Quote from: firefighter ontheside on September 28, 2020, 03:17:19 PM
I finally ran my mill today after almost a month of my tractor being down and this was apparently the best time to have my first broken band after almost 4 years of having the mill. When I went change it I found that the saw shrouds were very full of white pine dust. I've never had that happen before. I guess white pine is worse than anything else I've ever milled as far as pitch goes. It was caked in there solid. I guess the blade got really hot and then broke.
I use a brush and rags dipped in canola oil to remove resin/pitch from equipment. Mineral oil would probably work as well. If it's really hardened on there you can probably just break it with a screwdriver and rubber mallet.
It was easy enough to scrape out with a stick.
Still dragging home didgeridoos to turn into matchsticks... the novelty has worn off and I've only scratched the top yet.
What price ambition, and all that.
Where is the bark?
They mechanically debark them prior to loading on the barge: they're coming a long way, got a thick fibrous bark thats heavy and messy and they peel out easy enough when the moisture is still in them.
Drawback is the sapwood dries out and it increases the log tension when it does. Upside is mess reduction, weight reduction, and less likely to get insect activity in the sapwood because its dry rather than damp like it would be under the bark.
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A "Do it Yourself" customer sent me this picture last night of a dining table that he built from bookmatched Pecan slabs that we sawed for him: LINK (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=108941.msg1724453#msg1724453)
Nice looking table. I bet it is heavy.
Looks nice. Did he kiln dry the wood? How long ago was it milled.
Yesterday, after solving the pointer starting problem on Monday, I delivered my tree stakes to my customer.
They were one of my very first customers 26 years ago.
And have been steady, usually every year.
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Jim Rogers
Quote from: firefighter ontheside on September 30, 2020, 12:44:58 PMDid he kiln dry the wood? How long ago was it milled.
The link that I posted above showed that I sawed the log on April 11th. The customer sent me the picture yesterday and I have no knowledge of what happened between those dates.
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I think I need to trim this end with the chainsaw.
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I think I need to trim this end with the chainsaw.
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This one is bigger but was easier to trim. I just noticed in the picture my fender is bent. Who done that? :o ??? :D
32" wide live edge slabs are nice.
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My pardner Hank, wants to know what the squirrels will eat this winter. I told him hickory nuts aka as devil nuts in some parts of the south. :D
Is this the one the high dollar slabs are coming out of ?
Cute little supervisor
I got 20 9/4 slabs out of the two logs. 18 are really nice. The kicker was I sawed through about 20 nails in the big log which ended up in 6 of the slabs. I think the black stain is going to effect the price, but I'm not sure how much. Might even add a little. Bottom dollar, I think they will bring at least $200 each and probably more.
Always nice pictures Larry 👍
I like the dog. I keep telling Sampson if he doesn't behave I will trade him for a poodle. He doesn't seem worried. ::) He loves to jump up and climb on the logs and is not above walking on my stacks of lumber with muddy feet.
I haven't been sawing, but have been building with what I sawed. A new deck for my good friend. 24 x 10 feet. Posts dipped 2 feet in copper naphthenate for 48 hours. Now painting.
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...............and my logger brought me more red oak logs today.
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sawing standing dead totally dry post oak making what else, fence posts. 4X4 8ft. Post oak is a close cousin to white oak and the sawdust is NASTY, and the stuff is HARD HARD. Getting good clean cuts with wm 10 degree doublehard blades on a 25 hp woodmizer lt40.
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A standing dead white oak showed up for me to saw live edge slabs.
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It was obvious there was metal in the log.
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A quick look found barbed wire sticking out the side of the log.
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My plan was to saw a few slabs out of the good side, than saw about 3' off the butt and finish up. Bad idea as the barbed wire circled the tree. I cut through 3 strands on the first pass. Cut off 3' of the log and slabbed the rest without incident. The oak had excellent color and made some really nice 20 - 24" slabs. My customer bought a band, gave me a tip, and was super happy.
Tomorrow is big crotch cherry and more walnut to slab.
Quote from: Bindian on October 04, 2020, 03:18:42 AM
I haven't been sawing, but have been building with what I sawed. A new deck for my good friend. 24 x 10 feet. Posts dipped 2 feet in copper naphthenate for 48 hours. Now painting.
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...............and my logger brought me more red oak logs today.
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what type of material are you using for that deck?
All of our milling so far has been slabs. Our mill is small so we have had to use the chainsaw to chunk some stuff up before it would fit on the mill (hence the bookmatched pairs).
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This is a pair of American elm slabs
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This is American Elm as well
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This slab came from a short little chunk of American Elm that I was just going to cut up for firewood but my brother said lets just mill it up and see if it sells.... turns out, the slabs that came from this chunk and another chunk about the same size were the first to sell... I guess all the people who are just starting to learn to do these river tables would rather take the risk on a $50 piece of wood instead of a $150-$300 piece...
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A couple more from the American Elm. We also did a big old ash log that we had to make book matched pairs out of. It turned out really nice, but I don't have pics on my phone right now.
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This here is some of the first stuff my brother milled with his chainsaw mill before he bought the bandsaw mill. Boxelder is pretty neat stuff when it's not rotten...
Nice. Bookmatched is my favorite way to saw slabs.
For some of my customers I put an alpha numeric tag on the end of the slab so they can easily book match if they choose. The tag identifies which log and the order. I found this way is the best, as sometimes the slabs get jumbled up when loaded/unloaded with a forklift.
These small slabs went out this afternoon. As I was loading them a few big cherry's came in and you guessed it....live edge slabs. I'm sure to hit more than a 100 slabs again this week. No idea where they all go.
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What are using for tags Larry
Tag was a poor choice for the word. I'm using cheap paint pens that I picked up at Hobby Lobby.
20' long cherry with a little crook. :D The log owner left it long so I could buck it myself. He needs minimum 14' long pieces, live edge one side, and as wide as possible. Some kind of window sills, and casing.
Next stop is the kiln than to a neighbor cabinet maker who will work his magic on the pieces.
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sometimes I make a big M or zig-zag, so i can stack them in order and then remove in order. for wholesale a tag or number makes sense. I do have plastic tags I use for firewood (date cut or split and species) and these can be written on and a short staple to hold them in the end grain. or write on the wood.
Got in several hickory logs a customer is going to make flooring out of.
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They have been cut a while. Blown down in a storm.
I cut the one on the arms and got 63 1 x 6 s out of it. Its raining today so the rest of them will get cut as soon as I get back from seeing my dr. Got an 8:15 appointment to get my meds refilled. Tim
Looks good Tim
Hope everything is well at the Dr's
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Didn't saw any lumber but did cut down one big ash tree I have been watching a couple of years. I went to cut a small dead ash by my firewood shed and a 12" top had fallen out of this big one into the trail. I dragged it out of the way and went and cut the other one as planned. I put a new chain on my rebuilt Sthil 441 and it was cutting so good today I decided I'd go ahead and cut the big one. I guess it was nearly 30" at the base. I cut my notch and bore cut through from both sides but it set down on the back instead of falling forward. I went and got John and 200' of 1/4" cable and put it on about 6' high. I ran the cable out and John could not pull it down. I went back and moved the cable up another 5-6 ft higher and pulled and that worked and it fell where I wanted. I cut up most of the top and big limbs and it seemed pretty solid so I cut off 1-8' and 3-10' logs. I moved one little cartload of firewood out of the way then remembering we have rain on the way I pulled down the 8' & 2 smallest 10' logs. I tried pulling the 10' butt log but it was on a steep side slope and it got away and got hung up. It was near dark so I'll get some long cable and a snatch block or two and work it down the hill. I have one customer who buys my 4/4 ash a few boards at a time for furniture projects and we were commenting my stock is getting awful low. If they are good and solid I may cut the 10' logs into boards and then make 1" strips and cut in half at an angle making 2-5' tomato stakes out of each. They sold pretty good this summer and I sawed up some hickory stock at the end of the season. Of course I still have one uprooted hickory at he top of the pasture that I could make into tomato stakes too (or firewood :D).
Quote from: WDH on October 09, 2020, 07:37:31 AM
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The only one that has actually caused any trouble is the biggest log on second row. I thought I had hit metal...sparks flew and it sounded like a metal strike... I was only about 18 inches into the cut, so I backed the saw out of the cut, and was so sure it was a strike, that I got the saw out and cut into the log at the end of where I had stopped. There was an old knot hole there, and there was no metal there. I had thought it must of been a deer stand or something as this was not a butt log. There was nothing there. I then went and looked at the blade, and it was ok. Just super hard knot hole. I finished the log. Customer is coming in the morning to get whats cut so far and I will finish the last three on the deck tomorrow afternoon. I will be watching the blade pretty close as I was planning to get the other 3 logs with it. Had just put in on after one sharpening. Seems ok though. Tim
Banjo,
I would love to have that hickory. Hickory has paid the bills this month for us. I will take all of the pignut hickory and pecan we can get right now. So far, for us, it saws easier than some of our challenging species. We are scheduled to saw some old growth longleaf pine in the morning and we still have some fat live oak logs to saw. Sometimes the liveoak saws great and sometimes it is a beast of an opponent.
This is the old scalie bark....shak bark or what ever you want to call it....good eating hickory nut. No need for water. Will make beautiful flooring. Although it got plenty of water this morning, and the rest of the day as well.
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I cut one log this morning. My mill shed is 30 feet plus wide with the mill on the west side. Rain was blowing in from the east over 20 feet. I gave up, there is better times a commin as an old song said. Tim
John and I had a job we should have been done with before lunchtime today sawing longleaf pine but we were still at it at 5 p.m. This stuff grew slow, dense and was felled with a loader. We got it done and sawed a really incredible log into 1"x4"s but the boys we sawed for are good folks and we want to make sure they get top quality lumber. Time to call Richard and order more blades.
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(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/56534/C4C29190-BC3D-42B3-9163-8FEE95638357.jpeg?easyrotate_cache=1602487625)Cut up some what I believe to be Russian Willow this evening for a fellow coworker, who is a stellar cabinet maker, can't wait to see what he comes up with this!!!!
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During the hurricane that came through last month we had a branch come down from one of our big maples. Got around to slabbing it yesterday
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Today I started on a tri axle load of 8' and 10'long spruce/hemlock logs.
It will all be 2x4,2x6 and 4x4.
I have lots of orders for them.
Small logs but I don't pay much for them. Im getting lots of complements on how well my lumber is sawn. I owe that to all on this forum that have helped me.br>(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/36349/20201012_121246.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1602542232)
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That would make a nice table top with the curve.
Not sawing yet but will probably start tomorrow. I've been clear a little bit just out from the house for a greenhouse and a wood shed. Not much usable but a couple of decent cedars and the really nice one. The saw has a 20"blade. Got three nice 11' logs and one that more that was 14' from the top but I'll probably cut it back to 8' to get wider boards. The butt log was 18" small end, next log was 16" small end and the third was 12" small end. The last log tapered off fast and wasn't real great but I'll get a few boards out of it. I can always use cedar boards.
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The log in the grapple is the second log.
I sawed for a many times repeat customer today.
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I was sawing for him in May and he got called to work so these had to wait. The SYP was sawn onto framing lumber and the Oak into 1".
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Some of the Red Oak was kinda far gone but...
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It still turned out some fine lumber. He wanted "lumber" so no effort was made to capture anything special. Sadly I did not get a picture of the best boards.
We sawed 1837 bf in 7 hours so it was a good day. What I intended to saw next is still too wet/muddy so I may just go to the Cabin and do some "tractoring".
Wow, that's impressive.
White pine for shed siding and a few hemlock for framing lumber. Easy trip, only a half mile from home.
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Well, my teenage helper backed out (again) last night after 8:00 pm for my job 51 miles away today so I left to do it alone. I got a late start and it was after 10:00 am before I set up and actually started sawing. The logs were mostly 16' or so and really pretty small diameter. I cut 3 -4X4's from my cut list and the rest were 1-1/8" thick and from 4-10 inch with most 6" widths.
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First log - 18' beast
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Stack at start of sawing - less the log on the mill
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Stack at end of the day - a little after 6:00 pm - less log left on the mill overnight to inconvenience anyone trying to steal the mill.
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About 410 bf total not counting the sticker material in front and a bunch of 4' stickers on the back side. I am having/agreed to do the sawing, off-bearing, stacking and stickering on this as the customer is a NH resident and this is just their vacation/retirement home where the logs are located and adjusted my rate accordingly (although I may revise it before accepting another such job :D). These long boards are heavy and awkward to handle. The mixed lengths are delaying my stacking as I plan to start with the longest boards on the bottom and try to make one big, 4' wide, stack so the shorter boards help provide weight to help the lower boards dry straight. Hopefully the weather cooperates and I can finish sawing most if not all the remaining logs tomorrow and finish stacking and stickering on Friday.
Howard, it looks like you got a lot done and done well. Your helper kind of hung you out to dry. Some of my former students are running crews doing irrigation and plumbing work and they post on FB among their friends about day jobs available. Most of the time they are able to get folks to operate the Georgia draglines.
Cavey,
I assume a "Georgia dragline" is a shovel. :D I have not heard that term before, This kid is a good worker and has grown into a big strapping young man the past couple of years and I tend to forget he is a 15 y/o kid with other issues and priorities. With an adult I'd have expected a much earlier call rather than waiting till after my truck is loaded and the mill is hooked up and too late to look for someone else. I need to find a good helper I can depend on but it is so seldom I provide the help I don't look - and I am a dinosaur who does not do FB. Most of the adults you see available are in and out of jail or druggies and not someone I even want on the place so that limits my search. Why could the Old Greenhorn have just retired closer to me. Of course probably couldn't match his pay scale anyway. ;D
Quote from: rastis on October 12, 2020, 09:37:53 AM
During the hurricane that came through last month we had a branch come down from one of our big maples. Got around to slabbing it yesterday
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Beautiful work carl! I love the sweep.
Wife bought me a used 12" lunchbox planer off FB yesterday for $150. Ran a few things through it last night and am feeling pretty good about the results. Especially considering the stuff was sawn on a chainsaw mill made from scrap streetsigns.
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Quote from: mike_belben on October 15, 2020, 09:59:42 AM
Quote from: rastis on October 12, 2020, 09:37:53 AM
During the hurricane that came through last month we had a branch come down from one of our big maples. Got around to slabbing it yesterday
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Beautiful work carl! I love the sweep.
Wife bought me a used 12" lunchbox planer off FB yesterday for $150. Ran a few things through it last night and am feeling pretty good about the results. Especially considering the stuff was sawn on a chainsaw mill made from scrap streetsigns.
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Planers sure are fun. Probably the closest thing to magic I have in the shop. Be careful running bark through them. Lots of embedded grit that can quickly dull the knives.
Alan
Youre right.. Ill have to keep that in mind.
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Final log stack at the end of the day. I hope finish tomorrow. That big maple at the end has me worried and if I have to I will move the mill over next to him and use my Magic Hook to load him as a last resort if I have to. I hope to get the 5/4 X 12" wide stair treads the customer wants out of it.
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I did not do a tally but estimate about 350 more bf . I spent way too much time cutting and salvaging dunnage out of the scrap pile and getting it set up and leveled/straight, etc. I stacked the 16' and 18' and 5 - 4X4 posts then started on the 14' stuff. I even stacked the 8' and 10' & 6' I had with the 16 as it worked out well. I cut a little more after stacking. If the rain will hold off one more day I should finish.
It was very windy from late morning through mid-afternoon and i was even concerned I might have some unexpected additions to my log stack. Of course all that wind was blowing right into my face when sawing and I bet I coughed up 12-15 bf of sawdust at the end of the day. :D
Wow, nobody posted here all day. Looks like we have some slackers out there. Maye they are stuck in the mud somewhere? Then again, at the rate I am moving I may be accused to that. I got a late start in the drizzing rain. I took 5 sheets of used roofing to cover the stack I have been building. I told the customer I would do so and let him have it at my cost and buy it back when/if he no longer needs it.
I started with 10 logs and when I ran out of light I had 2 remaining. The last one was a big maple with a good bit of sweep and is way too big for me to turn more than half a turn. I had to grab my magic hook and dug out my tow chain and a cable I keep in the back of my truck all the time and that with the 11' of 1/4 chain I took for the magic hook I was able to reach the log nearly 30' away and was able to move it a couple of feet at the time. Of course with the sweep once the balance shifted it would roll on its own 3' or so then stop. I'll finish it on my next trip. So far I have only sawed about 1230 bf in 3 hard days sawing and stacking on this job.
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8' WO on the mill and a 10'X 30" sweepy maple about 10' from the mill for the next time - probably Monday.
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about 1230 bf - 18' base and 10' at the top level. I will replace the 2 blue sheets on the R next time to prove longer coverage. The stack is tall enough now I need to move my little sawhorses over to use as scaffolding.
Looks like you are earning your $$ on that job. Those are the kind that I love to finish so that I can move on.
I will be sawing next week but I don't know what or where yet. If it's dry it will be Oak or if wet it will be ERC.
Worked in the pouring rain yesterday.
Sawing a garage package and bridge decking for the snowmobile club.
4" of heavy wet snow this morning.
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Lynn,
Yes, I agree. Last night the customer wrote to be sure the stacks could be moved with a tractor with forks. I wrote back "It can but is going to take a big tractor". If he'd told me that before I started I'd likely have made a couple of stacks. It would have been nice if he'd left me some pallets instead of me having to cut my own dunnage. The stack is straight and should dry good but it would have been better on cinderblocks or something higher off the ground.
I have another customer I met with the same day as this customer and he is half the distance and wants logs and timber framing for a cabin. That looks like a Wednesday job.
Howard, getting the dunnage oriented just right to dry lumber flat takes quite a bit of time. That is why I would pour concrete slabs to stack on if it weren't cost prohibitive for us right now. MM is right, you are earning your money. This is probably not the ideal job you imagined when you were anticipating taking delivery of your sawmill. You are doing a good job and the customer is getting a great deal.
Cavey,
Yeah it is time consuming and frustrating to take so long. Around here I build stacking skids/pallets. It amazes me how much time I end up spending with little things when working alone. Everything from stopping to cut stickers to walking around the mill to remove a board and stack it or trim off some wane on one end, etc. I'd guess a decent helper should at least triple a sawyers output. maybe more. Maybe I better start looking more for one. This is highly unusual for me to do everything for a customer but these folks are out of state. I won't say I won't do this again but I will modify customer prep or price accordingly. I told them I would not saw without a locked gate or cable because it is a remote, unoccupied site and they did that. Next time I will require pallets or crossties or other dunnage and discuss stack sizes more.
All I can say, Howard, is you are a Saint :).
There are days like that. Last Saturday, John and I were sawing a bunch of 19-20' 2x10's along with some 1x4's. We should have been done by noon but we were still at it at 6 p.m. Some days you are the hammer and some days you are the nail.
Salvaged some beautiful spruce. As far as saw log goes, hard to beat. Got 5.25m3 and 1600bd/ft out of it. That's just part of the finished lumber.
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Danny,
I need you to call my wife and tell her that. I tell her all the time but she does not believe me. :D
This job as nearly all been14' and longer and with the small crooked logs it has been a real challenge to keep it from rising in the middle or the ends. I usually edge my flitches against my cant when it gets down to under 4" (So I can edge down to a 1X4 if needed) but I have learned on this job once I turn that cant the last time and clamp it tight, I don't release it till I saw to the bed because that thin cant does not like to lie flat and making a couple of trim cuts loses at least one more board and adds more time to the sawing.
I wish WM would make multiple moveable clamps with a tooth just for cases like these so we could pull down the middle or individual ends as needed to control a wonky cant/log. Maybe they will read this suggestion and invent it and send me some of the money it makes for them. With my luck it will cost them more than they make off it and they will send me a bill. ;D
WV,
I hope for your sake you are doing this job by the hour and not BF pricing.
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woot I am still here ;) just slower than before :) milling D logs and 1xs for cabin stuff and soon some 2xs for my new shop
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WV,
I hope for your sake you are doing this job by the hour and not BF pricing.
I wish! That may be one of my changes if I ever do another all in one job like this as I mentioned earlier. Either I need to saw hourly on them or I need to go up on my bf rate. I did use a higher rate for this but probably not enough. Its not the customer's fault my helper cancelled out on me. I'd rather do it by the bf then I don't feel guilty if I feel like I am dragging one day.
WV:
Saw by the bdft, stack by the hour.
Jim Rogers
Quote from: Jim_Rogers on October 19, 2020, 10:00:11 AM
WV:
Saw by the bdft, stack by the hour.
Jim Rogers
I like that idea Jim, however I'm not sure how I would separate the time spent sawing and the time spent removing and stacking boards. When sawing portable I typically depend on the client to provide the labor to remove boards and stack as desired. If the client can't provide this I will provide someone to perform this task at an additional agreed hourly rate. This keeps me at the controls of the saw producing product instead of spending time walking around the saw carrying and stacking boards.
Long story short, if I'm walking and stacking then the saw is not producing. That's why I normally saw by the hour. I'm not in this to let the clients lack of preparedness determine whether I make money or not.
This arrangement places responsibility back on the client to have a plan that includes logs properly trimmed and staged, a prepared location for stacking, and stickers ready ahead of time. If the client has all this in order and ready to go then they are going to end up getting a really good bf rate based on my per hour rate. If they are not properly prepared, or require me to help with these items I will of course help anywhere needed, but it won't be at my expense.
Jim,
You must be a genius because that was one of the things about for future jobs. I've got to do something different with my pricing.
@DPatton (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=33417) ,
I agree but that would mean I'd have to have a pool of help which is my current problem. The young man I was trying to use I have used 2 times before where the customer hired him. I'd pick him up and take him home and they paid him. He left me hanging this time. Since these customers live out of of state I was more tolerant. They gave me a $500 deposit months ago and suggested wait till it was cooler so there was trust and respect on their part.
I took a leisurely stroll over today and sawed the last 2 logs including the big ugly, sweepy maple. I was about to get the customers 10 each, 12" X 5/4 X 10' boards for future stair treads out of it but just barely. I sawed the sacrificial ground log the others were stacked on into 6X6 dunnage and made a second stack and re-did the stacks. 13-18 ft boards on one stack, 8-12 ft boards on the second. That makes them lighter, more stable and they were getting too high for this old man to stack on.
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End view - both stacks. About 1450 bf or so.
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Downhill view of the longer stack.
I packed up, cleaned up the site and got home about 7:00 pm. That is one job I am glad to finish. Nice customers so nothing negative to them. Any issues were self induced.
Last big log in pile made these bar tops:
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I got two 2x26x12' and one 8' piece for my customers.
Rest of log will make 1x16 round edge siding for another.
Jim Rogers
@Jim_Rogers (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=95)
What is round edge siding? Do you run it through a molder or such?
I should have said natural edge.
sorry about that.
Jim Rogers
2x6x16 bridge planking for one of the local Snow go clubs today. Rained most of the day.
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Beginning of an accent wall for a client who built a huge new lake house. 1500 square feet worth of accent wall. Will have at least 12 different types of wood and a couple different cut profiles on a couple - QS, flat sawn, etc. Needs to go through the kiln and the moulder to get milled into our locking ship lap profile as the last step. Actually quite a fun project. Length is not an issue - within reason - and every log is something different. Of course I doubt I will be claiming it's fun when dealing with drying it all, but the sawing is fun.
He wanted it to have character, I think it will rise to the challenge.
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Looks and sounds pretty nice 👍
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I moved to a SYP and ERC job today.
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It is a perfect setup with the slabs going to the side, the lumber being stickered off of the back and the Kubota bringing the logs to the sawmill loader. We sawed the 11 SYP logs which produced 1902bf. We will saw the ERC tomorrow.
Quote from: Southside on October 20, 2020, 10:09:43 PM
Beginning of an accent wall for a client who built a huge new lake house. 1500 square feet worth of accent wall. Will have at least 12 different types of wood and a couple different cut profiles on a couple - QS, flat sawn, etc. Needs to go through the kiln and the moulder to get milled into our locking ship lap profile as the last step. Actually quite a fun project. Length is not an issue - within reason - and every log is something different. Of course I doubt I will be claiming it's fun when dealing with drying it all, but the sawing is fun.
He wanted it to have character, I think it will rise to the challenge.
That's cool. Pretty much what I did when I was lining the inside of my new shop last winter. Mostly hardwoods but I've got about 10 species on the walls in different lengths and widths. Really like the way it turned out. From plain old spruce and red oak up to spalted maple and walnut with about everything that grows around here in between.
I elected to butt my edges and got some gaps from shrinkage but it was expected and not objectionable. It sure was a lot of work planing and straight lining all that wood but worth it. I'd break it up into batches of maybe 500-700bf at a time (enough to do an entire wall) and kept the edging waste to a minimum by using 5-6 different widths, which was enough to keep the waste down but not enough to make too much extra work. The rows vary from 5-12" wide. Trying to keep a narrow row butted against a wide row helped keep the final drying gaps to a minimum. Of course with dried and ship lapped material you won't have those issues.
Thankfully I remembered to take a couple pictures before I brought in all the equipment and turned it into a mess, as usual.
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Alan
Started a new job today 26 miles from home. Already sawed more today than on the last 4 days combined and less than half the distance plus I never stacked a board or hauled away a flitch! I sawed, pushed board, flitches and slabs over on the mill bed or loading arms. Nothing smaller than a 2X6 either. I did not take "before" pictures but did take some at the end of the day.
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Remainder of stack sawed. Looks to be about 17 logs in this stack. We sawed about 20 like this today. 8/4 framing, a couple of 4X4s, some 6X8 & 6X10 "beams" for cabin walls.
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Locust and pine and oak for floor boards when the big stuff is done
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16' framing and "beams"
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Mostly 8' to 12' framing - fresh cut ones were today's sawing
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Mostly 6X8 future cabin walls
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Slab pile. No effort to save anything smaller than a 2X6. Usually I am trying to save every piece of wood down to a 1X4, sometimes 1X3 if he is using battens. This customer has 490 acres of mostly woods and says "Don't sweat it, there is plenty more." I did not run a tally today but i figure easily over 2000 bf and if I've ever had a 3000 bf day it was today. Oh BTW - it was all Tulip poplar!
This customer saw me at a workshop I put on for the local USDA office over 18 months ago (Was the day after Lyric, my last GD was born - I came home and left the mill attached to the truck, grabbed a shower and change of clothes and we headed for Charlotte NC within 30 minutes of returning home) so these things do pay off if you are patient and just hang in there.
The customer also has a large aspen to saw into boards for a floor in the cabin he plans to build.
The only downside is - he is UGA fan and he and his wife moved here from Newnan GA. He evidently went to a demo or two at he WM office there and described the shop area to me.
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WV,
Those are some nice straight logs you have to saw today. I seldom see a nice jag of logs like that.
That's beautiful Alan. I like the multiple widths, it adds to the contrast. I also like the fact my customer DID NOT want multiple widths, for purely selfish reasons. My job will all be 6" face when done so it gave me a lot of ways to maximize yield since I can run random lengths. Jobs like this make an edger worth it's weight in gold. The flitches go back to the edger off the mill until I have a target cant then I saw that out, trim is salvaged off the edger and will go into my retail / hobby sales. When the material comes out of the kiln it will all go through the edger to be straight lined before hitting the moulder.
Alan,
Fantastic wall!
Recently, I cut up the biggest log in my log pile.
I made some 2x26x12 bar tops and on the way to making them I cut some 1" boards for natural edge siding.
The siding customer has been after me since last March to make this for him.
I had a long delay because I lost the sawmill engine and lots of other factors.
But finally I got it done.
Here are some shots of the house in Marblehead, MA that he is trying to match the siding:
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Today, I delivered the siding:
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Due to the fact that you have to wind your way through Salem, MA to get there it takes at least 1 hour to go 26 miles from my place to his.
His partner in the restoration business was happy with the stock.
Jim Rogers
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Looks great Jim. Hey guys! You can pull customers in from a long ways away. Here is a few pictures of some stuff a buddy of mine did. In the spring he bought some rough cut cedar from somebody that posted on Facebook in Tennessee. He bought 4,800 bf of 1" various widths and 2000 bf of odds and ends for 6,800 dollars. He has used almost all of it
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As is often normal this morning there were two Red Oak logs that had appeared since yesterday. That is a very nice one on the sawmill, but the one on the ground is badly butchered.
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Butchered plus the center had some dote. Both of the Red Oaks were sawn into 2X6's. So next it was on to the ERC.
I noticed that my Side Support Roller had gotten dingy and needed polishing.
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I knew that just clipping the top of the roller would not be sufficient so I dropped the blade down so that it would contact the roller below the nut/washer. Yup, now dats da way!!! ::)
I was so excited about polishing the Side Support Roller that I forgot to take a "job finished" picture.
Tomorrow is a 60 mile road trip Red Oak job. Probably 2-3 days.
After a very rocky start (See - Did something dumb today thread) we finally got started sawing about 2 hours late. Finished the cut list for remaining cabin wall "beams" (6X8 & 6X10) and 8/4 framing. Cut a few wide poplar boards for flooring ceilings and such then cut some real ragged black locust into 4X4s for raised bed planters, then cut my first ever larch from a tree planted and recently cut in the customer's yard. Given the chance to saw larch in the future I would suggest anyone decline! When I finished I started sawing 5/4 RO boards for fence boards and they sawed like butter, using the same blade, compared to the larch. We did not do a complete tally nor did I take pictures at the end of the day but I estimate we sawed about 2000 bf today with 6.5 additional engine hours on the mill today.
My customer told me he wants to sell some of his excess tulip poplar and then I got a call for some poplar 2X6's (10 & 12 ft) last night. I think we will work a deal where my current customer provides the logs, equipment and stacking labor and I provide the mill and sawing at his site and we basically split my previous sale price. He basically sells me the wood which I saw at his site and he gets the wood price and I get the milling price. I called the customer tonight and he said he was fine with picking it up there instead of at my site. We will have to see if this works out and this customer may sell me oak and other woods I don't have in excess or want to cut off my place.
Magicman, nice polishing job. :D :D
MM: that roller bolts needs two cuts at 90° to each other so you can use either a + or - screwdriver as well as a wrench in the future.
GAB
I think I need to have a conversation with the girls who work the recovery lumber off the edger and make stickers...
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Noticed some dark stickers in the stacked lumber today so I moseyed over to the storage pile - yup - Walnut stickers... ::)
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About 25 nice Red Oak logs but first I had to get rid of the 6 ERC logs. The majority of the Red Oak will be sawn 1 1/8"X6" for ceiling and flooring. I sawed 1151 bf today even with a slight malfunction with my SetWorks encoder. It started dropping less than the increment on the display. An investigation found that the spring loaded encoder bracket was not moving freely at it's pivot so I loosened the bolt, lubed it with ATF, and then re-tightened. I lost about an hour but the SetWorks is now back normal. We will start back sawing Monday AM.
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Some framing, cabin logs on trailer and Larch boards on the ground
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Stack of 5/4X6" RO fence boards
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12' 2X6's I am sawing here and buying for resale to another customer
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10' 2X6's I am sawing here and buying for resale to another customer
It was cloudy today and no sun to blind me so I made it safely to the customer site and finished the customer's order. Total about 4700 bf in last 3 days for him plus we sawed another 600 bf for another customer who has placed an order for 1600 bf of tulip poplar. My sawing customer is providing the logs, MHE, labor and site for $375/thousand bf and I provide the sawing on site and bring the buyer over. Sawing customer gets money for his wood, I collect my sawing fee and buyer gets prompt response on his order. So far all parties are happy and this may work out for a long term deal. We will see.
While sawing today the customer's neighbor came over and they were talking abut yesterday's accident/near miss and the neighbor said "Oh yeah, I know of another guy who ran off in that same spot under the same circumstances a couple years ago." That was reassuring. ::) Anyway the guy is bringing in the additional logs and I am to go saw them Monday and the buyer is to come bring me a check tomorrow. Life is good.
BTW - this is the best help I have ever had. The customer keeps me fed in logs, his helper keeps the slabs and boards removed promptly and I have not had to remove or stack a board or dispose of a scrap slab or edging out of the 5300 bf we have cut these last 3 days. I slide the boards and off-cuts on to the bed rails or loading arms for removal and occasionally roll a ready log on to the loading arms and when I am quicker getting the arms down I don't even have to do that. A guy could get spoiled like this!
Oh yeah, today I also cut a big aspen log, first thought it was oak as that is what we had been cutting then thought it was tulip poplar because it sawed so easy. I got him 4 -16" wide 8/4 boards plus some 2X4, 2X6 and a couple of 2X8s and a couple of 4/4 boards out of it. Two new species, Larch and Aspen, on the same job. Wow! I liked the aspen, hated the larch.
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Pulled a veneer Yellow birch from a nearby lake which was submerged for about 130 years or so! Finally got it to the saw!
Very nice yellow birch 8)
boy that is beautiful birch
Oh wow, dat is some purdy stuff. 8)
Quote from: Southside on October 23, 2020, 07:18:30 PM
Noticed some dark stickers in the stacked lumber today so I moseyed over to the storage pile - yup - Walnut stickers... ::)
That's how you know you've made it: Using walnut for stickers. Congratulations.
Alan
Quote from: Southside on October 23, 2020, 07:18:30 PM
I think I need to have a conversation with the girls who work the recovery lumber off the edger and make stickers...
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Noticed some dark stickers in the stacked lumber today so I moseyed over to the storage pile - yup - Walnut stickers... ::)
There proud to be part of a first class operation and want to help make things look good as well
Sawed a few cedar 6x6s this afternoon.
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The new mill is cutting pretty accurate.
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Those 6x6's are as good as they get.
Haven't started sawing them yet but had a new customer today call and drop off a load of RO & WO "logs". Evidently they cut them 8' long then decided they were too heavy to load so they cut all of them in half. ::) The man wants stair treads and risers made out of them. I think I see an hourly job in my future! There is not a log in the lot that will fit across my loading arms. I will try to fabricate a spacer that fits across the arms and will unload on the bed without dumping the log behind the tire. I could probably load them with my little JD but that means I'd be an equipment operator almost as often as being a sawmiller. It would have been so much easier to just stage the logs and have me bring the mill in to the site less than 20 miles away. Several of the logs are splitting in half from poor cutting techniques - did not bore cut. I will see what we can salvage.
On the bright side my Tulip Poplar customer who placed his order mid week last week came by and paid in full. We have about 1/3 cut and hope to finish Monday morning where my last sawing customer provides the logs, labor, and MHE and I saw and buy the lumber from him for resale.
I love that birch log.
I have been cutting on and off, 6x6 posts 16 foot long for my sawmill shed. Out of 15, one has bowed. I cut them to 7x7, so I will be able to mill a lot down. Anyway, I cut these this evening.
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Is this the correct position of the pith, in a post?
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hugs, Brandi
Looks great 👍
Quote from: Bindian on October 25, 2020, 12:06:45 AMIs this the correct position of the pith, in a post?
Not an ideal pith placement. Those beams will likely have a tendency to bow toward the offcentered pith.
No on the pith position but since you have already sawn them it can't be changed. I am surprised that only one bowed, but sometime SYP can be forgiving.
I prefer to see the pith fairly well centered by taking side lumber off and leaving the post but of course you only get one post per log.
Splitting the pith in a beam leaves juvenile wood alongside one edge. Since the wood from the juvenile core shrinks about 1% along the length and the mature wood on the other side does not shrink along the length, this differential shrinkage pulls the beam into a bowed "C" shape.
Hey Howard, just wrap a chain tight across the tips of the loading arms for those long pieces of firewood.
It may be better that the pith is in the corner, but only time will tell?? smiley_headscratch
The saving grace may be that they were sawn 7" for a final 6" finished post.
Since you are being the "guinea pig" Brandi, you will have to report back and let us know what they did/do. :P
TT,
Great minds and all - I have been thinking about making a cradle out of a couple of parallel 2X6's with a couple of cross pieces (4/4 or 8/4) to hold them together, fit it between the loading arms but long enough to fit up on the mill to stop the log from falling in the opening behind the tire then use my magic hook and moveable clamp to secure the "log" while lifting which I think is in line with what you are suggesting. I think just rolling them up on one arm and chaining them would be too unwieldy and dangerous and definitely a 2 person operation. I think my cradle would allow one person to lift and I may keep and use it for odd pieces of my own in the future.
My mill is off site and I can't look at it to tell till tomorrow but I might could just attach (Tie the ends?) 3 or 4 parallel 5.5' 2X6 or 2X8 across the arms to close the gap. I will check that out too as an option. I might mot even need the chain/magic hook then.
If I come up with a good fix I may have to send it to WM to offer as an option and if it makes any money they can send me some of it. :D
It still frosts my joints the guy cut them in half.
maybe build a rack with rails the height of your mill so yo can load 4 or 5 at a time with your tractor, then roll them on one at a time.
Quote from: WDH on October 25, 2020, 07:55:39 AM
Splitting the pith in a beam leaves juvenile wood alongside one edge. Since the wood from the juvenile core shrinks about 1% along the length and the mature wood on the other side does not shrink along the length, this differential shrinkage pulls the beam into a bowed "C" shape.
in reference to juvenile wood @WDH (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=4370) is that part of the tree considered to be the first 0 to 15 years of growth? Is that the same for hardwood and softwood trees or does the number change?
Doc,
The order is not that big and almost certainly a one-off situation so not worth the time and expense to build a rack that I would never need again. I think I can build the cradle arrangement pretty simply. I saw the customer at a local store this morning and told him I sure wished he had called me first and I'd just have brought the mill over.
Nathan,
I'm interested in Danny's reply. I understood in his reply the juvenile wood to be that closest to the bark or newest on the tree. We will all know soon when Danny answers.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on October 25, 2020, 08:37:01 AMI think just rolling them up on one arm and chaining them would be too unwieldy and dangerous and definitely a 2 person operation.
Not talking about one arm. Stretch chain across the two tips of the arms, maybe twice depending on chain length. Now have a cradle between the tube and chain, roll the log onto that. Log is stable until it gets high enough to roll, often the gap it could fall into is closing by then. With this arrangement can also have one end of the log on the forward arm so it cant fall in there, at 4 feet the other end is on the tire by the time it would be rolling onto mill.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on October 25, 2020, 01:27:32 PMI'm interested in Danny's reply. I understood in his reply the juvenile wood to be that closest to the bark or newest on the tree. We will all know soon when Danny answers
Juvenile wood is the first few years growth of the tree and is around the pith.
TT,
Thanks. I can see where you could make a strong cradle or sling that way and I'll see if I have enough chain the right sizes to do that. I am still concerned about it falling into the gap but a couple of short 2X6's laid between the mill and the chain might solve that problem.
2 x 6 laid across from the sawmill rail to the loader tube spanning that gap works pretty well too.
I carry two 5/16 inch chains 20 feet long each, plus a 15 foot 3/8 inch chain with a logrite mega hook on the end of it. A 20 foot chain has no problem making a nice cradle when needed, a couple wraps around the loader arms with its taper, chain usually stays in place where I put it.
Best option for short logs is customer with his forklift putting them right on the mill while I stand to receive it on the other side. Usually start with a 4 x 4 fence. I sawed about 35 short logs yesterday that way. Just charging by log scale on those little logs most 10 to 15 inches 3 to 4 feet long, beat my hourly rate.
Quote from: 123maxbars on October 25, 2020, 10:56:19 AMis that part of the tree considered to be the first 0 to 15 years of growth? Is that the same for hardwood and softwood trees or does the number change?
It's the first "few" years. Exact count depends on the species, and even individual trees. Could be 15 years, could be only 5, Part of the selective breeding of Radiata pine here in NZ has been to reduce the amount of juvenile wood. If you are harvesting at 25 years, then you don't want 15 years of juvenile wood in the log. Another trick is to propagate seedlings from cuttings taken from a 10 year old tree. The genetic "timing" of those seedlings is slightly different and the tree "thinks" it's older, so makes less juvenile wood.
Also it's not a definite line where it changes, not like heartwood / sapwood you will see a well defined line. The transition is more gradual.
Suffice to say that the first few growth rings around the pith of most logs are going to "problem" wood. If you can capture the whole mess centred inside a beam, then it wont matter, you end up with a good beam. But if one side of your beam is juvenile wood, and the other side isn't, bad things will probably happen.
TT,
If these were at a customer site and him loading with a loader or tractor would not be too much of an issue - unless he bangs up my mill. I normally prefer they roll them up to my loader arms rather than dropping them directly on my mill. I'll check out the chain issue and see what I find with that. Part of the issue is the customer dropped these off here at my site. I will check the tally to see whether bf or hourly rate works best. I tell customers short logs are billed as hourly.
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Here are the logs on my lot. I counted 15. Sampson is checking them out.
When sawing shorts I either scale them as 8' or charge hourly, my call. I rarely have more than a couple, so it's generally scale.
I have never had that many dumped on me. Looks more like firewood. ::)
I saws what they brings me. Usually :) it works out.
I do not charge, but I find the tough ones are 3 feet long by 3 feet in diameter. easy to drop between and tough to re- position.
The only time I ever sawed Paulonia they were shorter than this but there were not but a few. I'm sure glad I invested in the extra pair of side supports when I bought my mill. Right now I wish I had another one next to the middle beside the moveable clamp.
The size of the juvenile core is a complex subject. The link below contains some very good research on juvenile wood in LobLLoly pine. Not sure if similar research has been done on hardwoods.
https://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/fplgtr/fplgtr129.pdf
Here is an excerpt from the publication that speaks to the size of the juvenile core in LobLLoly pine:
"As noted in the definition, a juvenile core of wood is produced at all height levels in the stem. Zobel and others (1959) found that the juvenile core in nine 17-year-old lob-lolly pines was almost cylindrical. Core diameter decreased from 4.4 in. (111.8 mm) at DBH to 3.4 in. (86.4 mm) at the 45-ft (13.7-m) level. The juvenile core averaged 3.6 in. (91.4 mm) in diameter in a larger sample of 670 trees. The amount of juvenile wood in a loblolly pine tree on a volume basis decreased from 85% at age 15 to 55% at age 25 and then to 19% at age 40 (Zobel and others 1972). That is, the older and larger the tree, the lower the volume of juvenile wood even though the size of the juvenile core remains unchanged. Obviously, all these values will vary according to growing conditions of the trees, but they do provide work-ing estimates. According to Franklin (1987), variations in the amount of taper of the juvenile core with height in the tree are insufficient to materially affect sawtimber values"
So, a rough rule of thumb in southern yellow pine would be that the first 4" to 5" of diameter growth around the pith is predominantly juvenile wood. Interestingly, when quartersawing using the RRRQS technique (Robert's Reverse Roll Quartersawing technique), I have found that if you center the blade on the pith and move the sawhead up 2.5" to take the first cut on the log after you have created the octagon, then take the second cut 2.5" below the pith to remove the two wide center quartersawn 9/4 slabs (or you take two 4/4 cuts above the pith and two 4/4 cuts below the pith, same thing, just 4 thinner boards versus two thicker boards), and then take the top and bottom resulting cants and reverse roll quarter them, there is very little side bend in the reverse roll quartersawn boards. This means that moving up the 2.5" above the pith and then down 2.5", which is the equivalent of 5" total, removes the vast majority of the juvenile wood and places it in the center of the wide cut center boards where it cannot misbehave so badly from a crook/bow standpoint. So, from my experience quartersawing both pine and hardwoods (white oak, red oak, and sycamore), assuming that the juvenile core is about 5" in diameter is a pretty good assumption in practical terms.
Since Brandi's log did not "banana" when she sawed her post it will be interesting to see what happens with them. With the pith being in a corner instead of on a side, there may be enough "strong" wood on the diagonal to tame/overpower the juvenile wood.
As I indicated in Reply #1880, I want to know what happens and that 1" oversize may be enough to save them. :P
Quote from: Magicman on October 25, 2020, 09:01:50 PM
Since Brandi's log did not "banana" when she sawed her post it will be interesting to see what happens with them. With the pith being in a corner instead of on a side, there may be enough "strong" wood on the diagonal to tame/overpower the juvenile wood.
As I indicated in Reply #1880, I want to know what happens and that 1" oversize may be enough to save them. :P
............or make them 4x4s. These two just came out this way from an older tree. The outer portions of the log were rotten. I have been centering the pith, but got confused from somewhere or someone and must have slept since then and of coarse it was right at quitting time.
hugs, Brandi
I went back over and finished sawing for my next order today. We sawed about 1074 bf today. Over the last 4 days we have sawed 6339 bf. 1600 bf of this is going to another customer who called and placed his order the first day I was sawing at this site, this customer told me he had excess logs/lumber he'd like to sell, the customer picking up this order called that first night of sawing and placed his order, paid me Saturday and will pick it up tomorrow morning. The stars just aligned for all three of us in this case. I have high hopes this new arrangement for log supply will work well for me and my customers.
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80 1X6X12 in front, 40 2X6X10 behind.
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Quote from: Magicman on October 25, 2020, 09:01:50 PM
Since Brandi's log did not "banana" when she sawed her post it will be interesting to see what happens with them. With the pith being in a corner instead of on a side, there may be enough "strong" wood on the diagonal to tame/overpower the juvenile wood.
As I indicated in Reply #1880, I want to know what happens and that 1" oversize may be enough to save them. :P
Lynn,
I'll let Y'all know ASAP. The 1 inch is what I am counting on. Actually, for the post plastic sleeves, I will have to plane it down to 5 & 11/16th inch to fit inside the protector. So an inch and 5/16th to play with.
After I have planed them to fit, I will soak them in Copper Naphthenate diluted with diesel. Then wiggle them into plastic sleeves from plasticsleeves.com. Guess I need to start a thread on this, as these posts will be for my sawmill shed.
hugs, Brandi
Didn't want to start a new thread for what we have all heard so many times.
Received a phone call this morning from a gentleman in nearby town. He has a walnut tree that came down Aug 10 during our huge storm. It is partway down a large hill and broke off about 4' above the ground. He says that the piece that broke off was rotten in the center but has lots of good wood left and it is more than 20' long. He asked if I would be interested in coming in, pulling the log out of the ravine, loading it onto my trailer, take it home to my sawmill and cut the lumber out of the log. He would only like a little bit of it and his goal is to get the tree cleaned up. Asked him if he had a tractor that would get the tree up to my trailer and he said all he had was a 15 hp lawn tractor.
I suggested he call a tree service, but he thought they would have trouble getting equipment into the site and thought they would charge too much. We did not come to any agreement on my removing his highly valuable walnut (he actually only inferred that term and never used it)
How many other accounts like this have been shared here? At least hundreds, maybe even more?
Hope you all got a good laugh.
Normally when I get a call like that the tree is still standing, its leaning badly over the house or garage and a fence and the owner tells me if I will cut it down, remove all the limbs and re-do the landscaping/replant any grass damaged, he will give me half the wood. BTW - the owner has already cut the fence and clothesline on both sides where it grew into it years ago so that will make my job easier.
I did have a lady ask me last year if I wanted some walnut logs. She said if not she was going to have them cut into firewood. I went and looked at them and later sawed and removed the LE slabs I got. I probably got 300 bf of very pretty wood out of it and I was already sawing for her next door neighbor. In exchange I cut her up a trailer load of my slabwood from my home scrap pile into 12" lengths for kindling. I had to take the trailer over to collect the wood anyway so no extra trips involved. I will eventually sell the wood for $1,000+ or make it into benches for even more so it does not hurt to check out some of these calls.
I saw stationary most of the time but decided to saw some popular for my neighbor. This was the second big one. It took me pretty much all day to saw two logs due to having to whittle them down. Sawing through 26" was certainly all my saw wanted to do. I had to lower the stops and push the log over a few more inches.
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We did get a little over 1000 bf of 1" x 16" x 16' boards out of these two logs.
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And a good part of the time was stacking it in his shed. I tried to get him to level it real good and sticker it at least every 2 feet but he says he'll have it sold within a couple of weeks.
Still have about 30 logs to go but, thank God, they are smaller than these two.
nice work chariot!
I hates whittlin! If you got through 26" with that mill you are a better sawyer than me. Well done! I still can't seem to get past 23" with mine. Maybe its like fishing and I'm not holding my mouth right. I would like to be able to throw 2 -12" cants up there at one time and saw them both at the same time sometimes.
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Sawing some 5/4 poplar today. A little different for me since I mostly cut cedar. They have some decent color and nice figure in them.
A couple years ago I bought a bunch of rough sawn lumber at a farm retirement auction. It was really cheap, some of it for good reason. There was a big stack of white oak and ash that had been poorly sawn into roughly 2x6. Much of it was knotty and had warped and crooked badly when drying, not to mention the waves from sawing with a loose or dull blade. Having no idea what I'd ever use all those for, and needing something for flooring in my living room and kitchen, I decided to resaw them into flooring.
I start by taking a skim cut to flatten one face and then drop down 3/4" for the first board. Then flip it over so the flat face is against the bunks and drop the head as far as it will go and take another cut, giving me my 2nd 3/4" board. Thankfully the mill cuts down to 3/4" from the bunks. Quick and easy once I got into the rhythm. Very little waste, only about 1/16" from each side and sometimes not even that.
These will be planed down to about 1/2" before install. I'm hoping to salvage 4-5" boards after straightening both edges. I'll cut around the worst of the knots. They'll be butt jointed and face nailed when installed. Did this with ash in my bedrooms a couple years ago and am happy with how it turned out.
One ugly oak board:
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Two slightly less ugly (and thinner) oak boards:
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You can really see the waves from the original sawing on the edges of the two boards when butted together. Some boards were worse than others and it was the faces too. This one was probably average.
Alan
Nice salvage job on the oak.
No pictures as the customer arrived while I was still getting set up and did not have my camera with me. We sawed 13 of his 15 firewood style logs into 3/4 risers and 6/4 stair treads with a few 4X4 posts for good measure. Had 4.3 hours on the engine at the end of the job. My mill started action up with slow hydraulics, Simple Set dropping in and out and finally when I shut it off it simply would not restart. We let is sit 15-20 minutes while I took the customer out to show him my benches as we may make a couple out of the remaining RO logs, one of which is split almost completely in two. As the customer was leaving I bumped the starter and the mill fired right up, I shut it off then it would not restart again. I will check it again in the morning and see what it does then. :(
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A beautiful Cherry on the Wood-Mizer.
Hello Howard,
sounds like a bad connection or low voltage. Check the battery voltage should be 12.6. Then clean and or tighten the connections at the battery and work out.Don't forget the grounds. When you get it running the voltage should be 13.5 to 14.5 from the alternator.
Rich
You saw some neat stuff and I always enjoy seeing your sawing operation. That Cherry should be exceptional!! thumbs-up
Rich
That's some nice cherry Sir
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Well, i think I may have found the problem. Does your alternator belt look like this? I tried the mill and it would not turn over. I brought my truck over and jumped it off and it cranked fine then I started checking connections and such thanks to @richhiway (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=25823) suggestion. I started with the battery then the alternator and it did not take long to find especially when I jumped off the mill and engaged the drive and everything was turning there but the alternator was not. You'd think WM would have a lifetime warranty on these things wouldn't you. :D I see the manual says it is an A33 belt so that should be easy to find at most any auto store.
Putting it on my be more of a problem. I loosened the 2 bolts holding the alternator on to take it off but it obviously won't go back on that way. I'm thinking I have to go from the other side and take the drive belt off the mill to slip the belt over the pulley. If any of you guys have done this and know of any gottcha's or shortcuts to make it easier please let me know.
The bad thing is I have been hearing it squeal but never thought to check the alternator belt. I thought it was the drive belt which I had tightened at the last regular service. BTW - did you know that an alternator squealing on a sawmill sounds just like one squealing on a car or truck? ::)
That is one reason that I mounted an "always on" voltmeter on my sawmill: LINK (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=86039.msg1317229#msg1317229)
Quote from: Bruno of NH on October 31, 2020, 02:44:38 PM
Rich
That's some nice cherry Sir
Thanks. Might have been a veneer log. Sawed up nice anyway.
less expensive then a new alternator. Probably a good time for new drive belts,save the used ones for spares.
also Howard if your battery is more then a few years old charge it and get it load tested. A lot of times a half good battery will over work the alternator and ruin it.
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Cut some live edge today from some logs that were in the reject pile. It's amazing what you can get out of short/ ugly logs.
Patrick,
Those are sure pretty cedar. I wish I had more of it around here.
Quote from: richhiway on October 31, 2020, 04:28:54 PM
less expensive then a new alternator. Probably a good time for new drive belts,save the used ones for spares.
I got out an put the alternator back on. Just 2 bolts but they were the dickens to reach and I never really needed to have taken it off to begin with. I took off 3 more pieces in preparation for my belt installation which I see is going to be real easy. I removed the cover over the drive belt (4 -1"X 1/4" bolts), I removed the weldment cover over the alternator belt (3- bolts about 3" long) and I went ahead and removed the little 90 degree piece over the drive belt (Looks like WM calls it a Belt Enhancement - a sort of guide to keep the belt from flopping I guess). With the tension off the drive belt just slips right off and the alternator belt slips over and behind the drive belt pully. I checked the drive belt and you are right - I will order a new one and replace it at the same time I replace the alternator belt. I keep a new one for a spare with me all the time anyway so I'll use the one I have and keep the new one for a spare. I'd guess within 15 minutes of getting and starting the install I should have the new belts on. Much easier than I thought it was going to be.
Sawed cherry and walnut for my best customer yesterday. The cherry logs were good but not the best. The smaller walnut logs were poor quality with significant sapwood. The larger walnut logs had rot, lightning strike damage or were cracked by improper felling. Did I mention three blades damaged by metal? He even had a butt section chainsaw milled so I could get the pieces on my mill. It wasn't worth it.
It was a tough day for production. We talked about the issues we experienced and he readily admitted the lower production was log quality related. I gave him a bit of a break on the charges to take a little sting out of it.
You will see a bit of wane on the ends of a piece or two of this load of cherry. He will cut that off as he stacks it. He preferred a shorter board 6-7" wide. We made about half that much walnut not including 6 live edge/book matched mantle pieces.
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Good looking cedar, Patrick. It has been a while since we have sawn good quality, wide cedar.
All the cedar that big that I get always has the doty rot in it.
Cookies that will make dough..... :D
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:D The barks gone , are they dry ? Are they going to be tables? I would love to see some pictures when your done. You do awesome work.
They are far from dry and I'm individually banding them to go into the drying shed.I hope to sell sets in a few years to winery's and restaurants and any large commercial venue.This was a standing dead (beetle kill) pine from the town square at Shaver Lake Ca. Time for lunch.
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Tule,
How thick do you cut those big cookies like that. I'm drooling, BTW.
Mostly 4 inches thick, and I base that on a two man lift later as we process them.I tend to approach everything I build as a two man lift/handling deal as bigger is real time consuming/expensive. We did cut some 8 inch cookies for the oddball customer in addition.
I milled ash today. A guy brought me logs to mill for him. He had told me he wanted quartersawn, but when he showed up they were only about 14" diameter. I told him the boards would be narrow to q saw those small logs. He changed his mind and I sawed it all 4/4 with random widths.
Had just enough time this evening to saw some much needed stickers out of a nice, but short, ash log. Only hit 7 nails in the process. :)
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It finally dried out enough that we could get back to my Red Oak job sawing mostly 4/4X6 for flooring.
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Marty was there with his excavator doing some dirt work for the customer so he took some time to stage some logs for us.
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There were some really good Cherrybark Oaks which sawed out some fine lumber.
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Only 8 logs to saw tomorrow. I did not scale yet but some of the stickered lumber is seen in the background.
I finished the above road trip job with 2938 bf of Red Oak sawn. No picture because a trailer load had already left for the kiln.
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This is one of three whacks of logs that tomorrow's customer has to be sawn. These SYP logs will all be sawn into 2X6 framing lumber for the customer's new home. Busy....busy.
Quote from: tule peak timber on November 02, 2020, 03:37:47 PM
They are far from dry and I'm individually banding them to go into the drying shed.I hope to sell sets in a few years to winery's and restaurants and any large commercial venue.This was a standing dead (beetle kill) pine from the town square at Shaver Lake Ca. Time for lunch.
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tule peak timber:
As the cookies dry do you adjust or tweak the bands?
GAB
Switching from my normal diet of walnut, I sawed a banana tree this morning.
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Than I found somebody snuck in this stinky oak log!
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Had the guides open to 32" and they were hitting bark on each end of the log. The log was perfect and made 289 board foot in all of ten minutes.
Next it was back to walnut and made over 800 board foot in a leisurely 3 hours. I was sure glad the boss dog, Hank was helping.
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Sawed some iron wood today. Been a while since I have sawn any. :-\
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That's impressive depth of cut.
That will buff out. :D
No photos today because every time I got a minute to slow down to take a photo a trailer load of 3" bridge decking went to be installed.
The customers were putting it down as fast as I could cut a trailer load. It was all 3" random width and 12' long. I'm beat!
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This is a picture of today's logs that I posted in Reply #1931 above but...
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As you can see the whack has grown since I took that picture.
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Closer up and.....
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The other side. That Red Oak log on the right is plenty big and the 34" butt SYP log next to it is even bigger. I stopped counting SYP logs at 60, so I will be there a while.
So far the cut list is 2X6 framing lumber.
I still say I am jealous of those straight SYP logs especially for sawing into framing. I guess you just have to keep thinking "How do you eat the elephant" when you see a whack of logs like that.
WV Sawmiller remember an LT 40 chews elephants a bit faster than an LT 35!
I just talked with the customer and the actual elephant eating will have to wait until Monday. He only has one tailgunner and I convinced him that he needs two for handling those slabs and lumber. He will understand when I start spitting out 2X6's to be stickered.
This will give me a few days to get work done at the Cabin. 8)
Those are some "good uns"..
@terrifictimbersllc (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=11495) ,
Thanks for the suggestion about the chains. I put these 2 on and they worked fine. I did not need to use the parallel 2X6's like I thought. When the "log" was raised to the max height the worst that happened would be the log would roll up against the rails and we were able to roll them on to the rails with my LogRite cant hook.
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I got my new alternator belt and drive belt yesterday from WM Indy but had an old USMC buddy stop by for most of the day so I did not get them on till today. They both went on easily and the mill fired right up and sawed great so I finished the 2.3 "logs" the customer had left. (A couple had split thus the fractions). I sawed 3 - 4X4 posts out of them, a couple of 8/4 LE slabs for benches, some 9/4X9/4 strips for bench legs and a bunch of 3/4" stickers.
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I moved everything out to the barn and stacked and stickered the lumber and covered it till the customer is back in the area - he lives about 130 miles away and has a lot where he plans to build a home near here.
I have a young college kid from Wyoming coming over for a visit Saturday and I may put him to work making benches out of these 2 slabs. He spotted my sawmill sign on the door of my truck in a local parking lot, we talked, he had to go home for the pandemic but returned and called to come visit. His family has a woodworking business in Wyoming. He seems like a good kid and hopes to be a missionary so we can talk sawmills and Africa and feed him a good catfish feed.
More wall paneling around the shop today.
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You have some gnarly waves on the rough sawn
Since my SYP framing lumber customer didn't have tailgunners for today I made an 88 mile road trip to saw 6 ERC logs. This was the third repeat for this"home builder" customer.
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But the logs were down in a low spot with no way to get the sawmill to them.
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So I backed the skidder down to the logs and...
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Skidded them up to the sawmill.
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Four 8X8's, one 6X6, and side lumber. This was sawed flat rate for one SGU plus $132 travel & setup. Total time was 3 hours including setup and take down. Not a bad day.
I'll go to the SYP framing lumber job Monday.
Quote from: beav on November 06, 2020, 07:20:42 PM
You have some gnarly waves on the rough sawn
Oh yes we do, and I get to see every bit of it run through my hands every day. Exhausting.
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Spent the afternoon cutting board and batten siding for an historic house remodel. This house was built over 100 years ago. At some point asbestos siding was installed. The owner had the siding removed and the house wrapped.
While the siding is not installed how I would have done it, the siding does give the house an updated but authentic rustic look.
A beautiful home to say the least. The portion to the right looks like Corten steel.
Got the glass in the end of the office building just before the weather hit this weekend. Our first snow flurries , rain and wind.....
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Cutting an 18'10" walnut 10.5x10.5 by skid steer light. It was light out when I started. I didn't have any extensions because I took them back to my other place already thinking I didn't have any more logs longer than my mill. I had to get it done and I didn't want to trim it. So I cut down two within a foot and a half of the end of the log. Then use my circular saw and Japanese saw to cut the slab and side board off. Rotated it 90° and did the same thing. Normally I would rotate 180 but since this was so long and heavy and as I was rolling it I was right against the stops and figured I would just do each side sequentially. Again I cut to within a foot and a half of the end and cut the slab off to free my band. For the third side, I doubled up 2 scrap 2 x 4 pieces on two of the bunks so the round end of the log would clear the cross bars, and then again cut down to within a foot and a half of the end. After cutting the slab off and freeing the band, I carefully translated the log 2 feet towards the head of the mill. Then I lowered my band and cut off the last foot and a half of that side. I do the exact same thing with the next rotation. Then I rotate again to get back to my first side so that I can mill off the end foot and a half. Finally I rotate to my second original cut and mill off the last foot and a half of that face. It worked very well sitting on the doubled up two by fours. The end cuts are very planer. This will be another beam for my house build (timberframe). Just before it's time to start the frame, I'll plane this beam with my MP100 to a perfect 10x10 hopefully. Walnut has been pretty stable for me when drying.
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Brad I am impressed by how much you get done with that manual mill. You aren't afraid of the work. thumbs-up
Rather little known fact that Meatloaf had a song that flopped - it was named "Sawing by the Skid Steer Light", re-worked the lyrics and re-released it and it became a hit. :D Sorry - that just sort of came to me when I read your post. Been a long day, week, month, year.
White Birch I'll be using for a cabin addition floor.
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Quote from: Southside on November 08, 2020, 10:05:47 PM
Rather little known fact that Meatloaf had a song that flopped - it was named "Sawing by the Skid Steer Light", re-worked the lyrics and re-released it and it became a hit. :D Sorry - that just sort of came to me when I read your post. Been a long day, week, month, year.
I must have been singing that song last night by tractor light. Night time 1, Tim 0 - great blade efficiency! :D
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Is there going to be a run on WM log stop rollers?
GAB
The nice thing about sawing at night, the sparks are purdy. :o
Hey Moose, nice looking birch. White birch is a pretty wood. One of my favorites. That birch didn't come from Florida did it?
Finished up salvaging floor boards from the curvy rough sawn boards I'd bought. Ran out of oak but had plenty of ash to get me through. Thinking they'll look good mixed.
There were three really nice things about doing it this way:
1: I freed up a bunch of space in my lumber storage trailer
2: The wood was already dry down to 10.5%
3: I no longer have to make a point to tell people "I didn't saw those" when they're looking through my stacks.
Glad to have them gone.
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The (now) flooring boards are stacked in the basement (with wood stove) to drop another % or so before the real work begins.
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Alan
Quote from: cutterboy on November 09, 2020, 12:06:20 PM
Hey Moose, nice looking birch. White birch is a pretty wood. One of my favorites. That birch didn't come from Florida did it?
The Wood is in Maine. Wish I was there with it. :D
Neat, I've never sawn a white birch, looks very much like our black birch.
It was the first time I've sawn some. I always prized it for firewood. That's fixin to change.
I sawed some Tamarack also for boards and trailer decking for the first time. The boards on the left are balsam fir, tamarack on the right.
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A walnut desk top today
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The desk top will be stunning, Rob.
Mooseherder, did I miss something? I thought that you had a circle mill. I don't think I recall you getting a bandmill. It's good to see you making nice boards. One day I'll have to get some mahogany seed from you.
Yeah, the reality of needing a bandmill won over. I'm working alone so this is much easier for me. A friend built this and decided to sell. He built one heck of a mill with Cooks parts. The Circle Mill Carriage was The Flag Carriage this summer.
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@tule peak timber (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=25190) did you kerf a curved glue line to hide the joint in the sap wood? :P
Yes, tricking the human eye. This piece is also a wedge with a tapered plywood bottom to get the top flat and flaw free. Good eye Doc !
I put a big, gnarly red elm log on the mill today to be milled tomorrow. I will need to do some serious trimming with the chainsaw to get it to fit. This will be my first elm to saw. This was a yard tree, so I will be scanning it before each cut. I hope it makes some pretty slabs.
Luke is in school so his older Brother Ben is my tailgunner for three days this week.
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Ben's loader skills came in handy today.
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There are about 150 SYP and Red Oak logs in that whack.
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But first we had to saw 4X4's and stickers from knotty junker logs.
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We will saw all of the 20' SYP logs first, and yes, the operator's seat had to come off to saw 20's.
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I told Ben that there was a bullet in that log. He asked how I knew, and I told him because there was. ::)
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Bookmatched bullet. ;D
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Ben with the customer's MS880 e/w a 59" bar. :o
there ya go. You can get one of those instead of another MS170.
I still like walnut the best, but this red elm is beautiful.
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Last weekend a repeat customer dropped off a couple of pecan "logs" that he acquired off of Florida Southern College's campus. He wanted 4x4's, bench slabs and a couple of 4" thick slabs. I wanted to tell him we have a sawmill, not a magic wand but I refrained. Anyway, before we could cut the first log (with a brand new 7°, 1.5" Kasco) all the way the blade hit something in his log that produced a lot of smoke and sparks. It would not saw another inch. We will try to saw the rest with a smaller blade that is near the end of its usefulness.
We did cut a cypress mantle and a couple of live edged cypress slabs.
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@firefighter ontheside (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=26921) that is beautiful "exotic domestic hardwood" not just Elm! ;) :)
@Magicman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=10011) that looks like a 14 inch bar with a big scabbard. :D :D I have the same saw and bar combo, but I leave the 36 inch bar on for daily use.
@caveman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=12883) that is some pretty wood.
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@Cardiodoc (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51488) on the left, and Kendal from IT on the right. Catalpa slab 3 x 22 x 8 feet center.
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stacked and coated with ancorseal.
When I sell that elm, it'll be "exotic domestic hardwood".
@caveman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=12883) maybe you could come in from each side with sawzall and try to cut the metal. Then when you finish cutting, turn it around the other direction on the mill to finish the cut. That may save the blade. When I hit steel the other day and did not get thru it, I just cut the piece off with a chainsaw. You're more committed than me.
First loads from the N.Ca. fires inbound this morning. Mixed firs and cedars.
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@doc henderson (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=41041) that catalpa is pretty cool wood. I got two dump truck loads dumped on me a few years ago from a road project. Didn't know what to do with it but ended up figuring out its best uses.
Excellent for raised garden beds, garden gates, screen doors, and just about anything outside. I donated 500 board foot or so to a school and they built two sail boats with it. Wish I had some more.
On Mondays my female helper comes in and cleans up and organizes the mill yard. She is 60 years young and grew up on a farm and helping her Dad with his excavation business.
She a one person mulisha on clean.
Yesterday was an order of 1x7x8 of pine.
Today spruce 2x4x10 and 2x6x10 for an order.
70° what a day
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Nebraska, good idea on the sawzall but we will try a worn out blade on the remainder of the pecan tomorrow. I got a large dump trailer load of free pine and free poison ivy today and was offered to bid on an Indian Rosewood. I declined on the Indian Rosewood. I really look forward to sawing some but folks who have one that needs to be removed think they are going to pay for their retirement by selling the logs.
Doc, the Catalpa slabs look very good.
Rob, I look forward to seeing what you make out of the wood from the fire.
John and I are going fishing in the morning and will saw a little in the afternoon.
Please,,, fish pics !!!!
The larger fir will be cut into bartops and stickered for later sales. The trim is going into a customers fencing. All of the smaller sticks are going into the Tijuana River Regional Park project, many thousands of BF yet to come. Sort of a playground/campground we are just starting on.
Bill, that elm is so beautiful. I am planing some now and the grain is so unique. @Southside (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=24297) says something about squiggles :D.
Kyle, smiley_devil.
I've seen it before, but was not prepared for how neat it would look when I milled it. I sawed most of it 8/4 and hope it behaves while drying. I have several more logs to mill too. I can't wait.
First "Whatcha Sawin" post. Took me over a week to cut down, cut to length saw up, stack, and get somewhat cleaned up. I sawed somewhere around 1 mbf out of the good logs in about 4.5 engine hours. The not so good logs took another 3 hours for only a couple hundred bdft. Ended up with two nice stacks and some odds and ends from the side lumber. And something you may never have heard of before: too many stickers. I got tired of cutting them to length. Someone stole my compound miter saw out of my barn right before I came home this past summer. Anyway, here are the pics:
Good logs.
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Not so good "logs".
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Stack 1.
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Stack 2.
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Waste.
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Nice looking stacks.
My 17 yo daughter wants to move out so she fired up my old mill and is building a tiny house.
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Agreed. Nice stacks, nice lumber, didn't try to shorten the clamp head or saw off a backstop. No report of turning the mill into a sky gazing telescope during set up. Successful endeavor.
Getting a bunch of orders for white oak trailer decking. Learning real quick not to cut it ahead to have in stock. Everyone wants something different. 2", 1.5", even 4/4 on a small landscape trailer. Most want 6" or 8" wide, but I've got 1 order for 2x12x 16'
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Also finally built a log deck to make handling a little easier.
Patrick
Nice log deck
Quote from: Bruno of NH on November 11, 2020, 06:35:43 AM
Patrick
Nice log deck
Thanks. I was using my little case skid steer to set the logs on the mill, but the chain drive to the right side tires broke last week. When the chain broke it wrapped around the drive sprocket and broke the shaft. So now I'm down to my Kubota tractor. It can't pick up those 16' oak logs, but can roll them onto the deck with it.
@caveman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=12883), @Southside (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=24297), thanks. Those stacks are about all my 46hp tractor will pick up. I didn't saw the clamp or back stops yet, but I'm sure thats coming.
@shinnlinger (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=6762), is that a tree house? Nice looking boards.
@Patrick NC (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=49254), I feel your pain only having a tractor w/FEL to move logs around. I have to put a log arch on one end and the tractor on the other to move logs of any size around. I need a bigger tractor or a skid steer.
Very nice whacks of lumber jeep, Congratulations!!!
And Wood-Mizer's correct terminology is "Side Supports". The taillights are on the back of the mill so it can't be "back".
Quote from: Patrick NC on November 11, 2020, 06:24:42 AM
Getting a bunch of orders for white oak trailer decking. Learning real quick not to cut it ahead to have in stock. Everyone wants something different. 2", 1.5", even 4/4 on a small landscape trailer. Most want 6" or 8" wide, but I've got 1 order for 2x12x 16'
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Also finally built a log deck to make handling a little easier.
Looks like when I started. If trailer decking was all the same the lumberyard would have it. Might need a place to sticker the stuff nobody picks up. Keep up the good work.
Quote from: jeepcj779 on November 11, 2020, 07:03:33 AM
@caveman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=12883), @Southside (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=24297), thanks. Those stacks are about all my 46hp tractor will pick up. I didn't saw the clamp or back stops yet, but I'm sure thats coming.
Jeep,
You just haven't had a big enough audience yet. ;) Those things require outside observers to observe and report. The bigger the audience the deeper and more impressive the cut. It can be a humbling experience (or so I have heard ::)). :(
Quote from: Magicman on November 11, 2020, 07:25:08 AMAnd Wood-Mizer's correct terminology is "Side Supports". The taillights are on the back of the mill so it can't be "back".
Lynn - hold my Sweet Tea, I bet I can saw off a part of a tail light. :D
Quote from: Patrick NC on November 11, 2020, 06:24:42 AMGetting a bunch of orders for white oak trailer decking. Learning real quick not to cut it ahead to have in stock. Everyone wants something different. 2", 1.5", even 4/4 on a small landscape trailer. Most want 6" or 8" wide, but I've got 1 order for 2x12x 16'
You better feed your tailgunner his Wheaties for those 2x12s. That will be a workout.:o
Wudman
Quote from: Wudman on November 11, 2020, 08:50:00 AM
Quote from: Patrick NC on November 11, 2020, 06:24:42 AMGetting a bunch of orders for white oak trailer decking. Learning real quick not to cut it ahead to have in stock. Everyone wants something different. 2", 1.5", even 4/4 on a small landscape trailer. Most want 6" or 8" wide, but I've got 1 order for 2x12x 16'
You better feed your tailgunner his Wheaties for those 2x12s. That will be a workout.:o
Wudman
That tail gunner would be me. One man operation at this point. Keeps me in shape.
Quote from: jeepcj779 on November 10, 2020, 08:47:58 PMAnd something you may never have heard of before: too many stickers. I got tired of cutting them to length.
I find something quick to hold a bundle of them and then cut the whole bundle with a chainsaw.
Good looking stacks. You're off to a good start!
Alan
Quote from: Patrick NC on November 11, 2020, 10:41:30 AM
Quote from: Wudman on November 11, 2020, 08:50:00 AM
Quote from: Patrick NC on November 11, 2020, 06:24:42 AMGetting a bunch of orders for white oak trailer decking. Learning real quick not to cut it ahead to have in stock. Everyone wants something different. 2", 1.5", even 4/4 on a small landscape trailer. Most want 6" or 8" wide, but I've got 1 order for 2x12x 16'
You better feed your tailgunner his Wheaties for those 2x12s. That will be a workout.:o
Wudman
That tail gunner would be me. One man operation at this point. Keeps me in shape.
Wheaties and Spinach! Keep the kryptonite away too!
I've tried that one man thing on 2x white oak a couple of times. Not anymore even though it's just 8 or 10 pieces.
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Oops! I didn't realize it was under the slab I was cutting up. No I've got two places on the cant hook that need to be welded up.
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Oops! I didn't realize it was under the slab I was cutting up. No I've got two places on the cant hook that need to be welded up.
You could of just ordered a shorter handled one and saved yourself a blade or 2.
GAB
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A friend dropped off a few loads of Hemlock. He came over and we spent the last few days cutting 2x4.2X6. a few boards. He needed a 14 ft 3x8 and here is one of two 4x6 posts.
It was fun cutting with a helper! We have had the nicest November that I remember, almost 70 for the last 2 weeks. Rain today and cool weather returns. Happy Veterans Day.
That's a very clean cut. Must be using a high quality blade.
Aluminum, your blade should be OK. Although if you want to trim that rubber cover just a utility knife around would do too. :)
That must be how the mill special was "invented".
I need to find that post where MM shows how to install a new rubber grip...at least I think it was MM? ....and order a rubber grip from Logrite.
Here you go @Brad_bb (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=6191): LINK (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=97310.0)
Ben and I have been steadily sawing SYP framing lumber.
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This ~30"X18' log yielded 55 factory dimension 2X6's.
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And here is 4910bf stickered 2X6's and 2X12's sawn in 2½ days. No more sawing this week but I will be back next week. Luke may be my tailgunner. ;)
Be careful that type of work can put you 'in bad shape' as the years go by!
Quote from: Patrick NC on November 11, 2020, 10:41:30 AMThat tail gunner would be me. One man operation at this point. Keeps me in shape.
Quote from: Brad_bb on November 11, 2020, 07:24:25 PM
I need to find that post where MM shows how to install a new rubber grip...at least I think it was MM? ....and order a rubber grip from Logrite.
Magicman's grip replacement (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=97310.msg1501986#msg1501986). and scroll to the top
Could double as a little potato or tomato launcher too
Had my nephew once (or twice) drop his end of 2x12 green locust before I was ready , me being on the other end . :o >:( Yes he and I lived to saw another day . Good help is truly hard to find. :(
Return the favor on the next one so they get the idea :D
OH! believe me ,I did and I included a lesson in physics . ;)
Lynn,
You mention "factory dimension 2X6"'s. Do you slightly oversize them anticipating some shrinkage or saw them right at the finished 1.5" X 5.5" or thereabouts?
I wondered the same. Good question. I saw mine for my own use 1/8" over in each dimension.
One of the museum pieces getting ready for inspection on Tuesday.
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Quote from: WV Sawmiller on November 12, 2020, 10:18:07 AMDo you slightly oversize them anticipating some shrinkage
1/8th over each way and the key is being consistent. I sawed for an entire home this past Spring that is presently being built. This is for another family's new home and the foundation slab was poured/finished this week. I long ago lost count of the number of homes that I have sawed the framing lumber, etc. for but it's well over 20 homes.
Tule what do you use to end match those pieces? Seems like it would be real difficult.
Lynn,
I like that. I know if you sawed it all it would all be the same dimensions but don't know if it would be a dead on perfect match to box store lumber, if any were used, especially since I suspect some of the logs you are sawing are fresher cut that others and there will be shrinkage variances in a customer stack even though they were perfect when you sawed them. It would be interesting to go back and re-measure some 6 months after sawed and air drying that long. I don't know if you have ever had a chance to make such a comparison. A 1/8" variance between yours and others probably would not be apparent anyway. Thanks for the response.
It would be even more interesting to measure some store bought framing lumber.
I fully realize that the width is going to shrink more than the thickness so the ratio seems to be off but also remember that our store bought SYP is only kiln dried to ~18% so it continues to shrink after you buy it. Fact is, the variance is not a factor when/if intermingling the two.
Measure some store bought indeed. I've seen 3 3/8" x 1 3/8" 2x4's come from the box store.
Quote from: JRWoodchuck on November 12, 2020, 08:19:05 PM
Tule what do you use to end match those pieces? Seems like it would be real difficult.
Hi JR,
I set up a shaper to plunge 1 1/4 deep dados and made Baltic birch splines to join the sections. This top is 5 feet wide finished, 30 feet long, and 2 1/4 thick with a beveled bottom.The wood is grafted walnut from a tree that was in the ground, alive, in 2019. Pitching the design, and getting thick walnut to lay down with precision has been a challenge to say the least. On Tuesday I get approval from the powers that be and we are on to the finishing grind.
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WOW!
Really incredible! Brings on more questions though! So why baltic birch for the spline? How do you do your finish sanding? How do you move that finished slab?
JR I think the spline if made from solid wood and cut along the grain, would tend to split as the wood moved. the ply wood has laminations of wood fibers in two directions so better shear strength. My biscuits I use are a pressed wood product for the same reason. @tule peak timber (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=25190) the scale is so big, that I thought I was looking at thinner/narrower wood. thank God they did not decline after this visit.
Doc,
Spot on, the high grade plywood is very stable-and strong.I answer to 5 folks on this job(2 designers,the contractor, the museum director, and an architect) and it is these people I need to please on Tuesday.
I split this top into two man lift sections so as to get it out of the shop.There is also an additional 11 1/2 foot piece not shown with the 30 foot piece.
Finish sanding is orbital to 220 grit and by hand pad for touch up.
With my 35 years as a carpenter.
I would count on store bought lumber to be that close in constancy.
I would ask for a specific mills KD as it was better than most.
Sawed some yellow pine 2x and a poplar 8x8.
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Sorry about the double post. Hit the wrong button when I went to add pictures.
This is a table that shows lumber dimensions for KD and S-GRN;
https://cwc.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Lumber_Sizes.pdf
@WV Sawmiller (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=28064) remember that shrinkage does not begin until the wood is below ~25%mc so usually what we are sawing has not begun to shrink. Grain orientation, knots, trees don't read tables, etc, probably means more in final variation than how long it has been on the deck.
When the european framing first started hitting the jobsite there was quite a bit of variation from standard, they were using metric machines to hit our dimensions and weren't all converting the same.
Don,
Thanks. Part of my question came from the MM's frequent posts about milling beetle killed SYP which I assumed to be much drier than fresh cut SYP logs.
The wood from beetle killed pines is still very much wet.
It's easy to get caught up in radial vs. tangential shrinkage and all the variables, but I've sawed quite a bit of SYP framing lumber at 1/8 over on 2x4's and a bit more over on the width as I go up to 2x6, 2x8 etc. and it mixes fine with store bought lumber after it's dry. I kind of had to tune in my chart at first for the wider stuff, but it all comes out fine now. There's quite a bit of variation in the store-bought.
One thing about rough-sawn off the mill is the square corners make it a bit more critical when framing a stud wall. The radiused corners on the store bought make little variations like a little twist work better. Just need to make sure studs are aligned properly on the sawmill lumber. All in all, it comes out fine without over thinking the various shrinkage factors.
I prefer my lumber to the store bought.
We don't have syp, most of mine is poplar that moves more so I do SDR, saw-dry-rip. 2x10-12 can be a push at long lengths, its usually better to go a little wider than 10 or 12 to get a straightlined 9-1/4 or 11-1/4 in the end. The eased edge used to be an 1/8" radius on store bought, more recently you'll see 1/4"ee which I find tough to align, its too big. I suspect it was done to get around more wane restriction ::).
Isn't the radius effectually the same as wane? Just looks better.
I believe the radius is also there as a method of slowing down the spread of fire.
Breaking the sharp edge does help with fire but since framing is "protected" I don't believe that is the original intent. It saves your hands handling it.
The eased edge is effectively the same as wane. The ee was limited to 1/8"radius previously and it is noted on the stamp when it is 1/4"... hmm I'll need to dig and see when and how they got that through.
Milled an ERC log with @Cardiodoc (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51488) and nurse Tami, and Tom from the nursery. Mike was requested to build a corner entertainment center by his wife.
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he will center on the wider 24 inch wide end, as the log was longer than needed.
Nice cedar Doc. I sawed a cedar mantle today. A builder called me this morning kinda panicking because the guy that was supposed to supply the mantle dropped the ball. The realtor is supposed to close on the house on Monday and they were down to the last minute on getting finished. I had a cedar log in the reject pile so I dig it out and started whittling away and ended up with a pretty nice 6x8 that met their specs.
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Also sawed an 8x8x16' white oak for a customer today. Don't know what he's going to do with it, but he had cash.
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Sorry for taking us into the weeds, hopefully it'll be worthwhile for one or two folks. I was trying to find more on eased edges, I think I've seen the big radius on WWPA stuff, they charge for their grade book ::). I checked SPIB and found this from the NGR definitions and interpretations section they posted, (NGR is the master book).
Quote710 EDGE - There are three meanings for edge: (1) The narrow face of rectangular-shaped pieces. (2) The corner of a piece at the intersection of two longitudinal faces. (3) In stress grades that part of the wide face nearest the corner of the piece. (a) Eased edges means slightly rounded surfacing on pieces of lumber to remove sharp corners. The standard radius for 1", 2", 3" and 4" nominal thickness lumber shall not exceed 1/16", 1/8", 3/16" and 1/4" respectively. Note: Lumber 4" or less in thickness is frequently shipped with eased edges unless otherwise specified. (b) Square edged means free from wane and without eased edges. (c) Free of wane means without wane but has either eased or square edges. (See WANE definition.) (d) Square corners means without eased edges but has an allowance for wane in certain grades. (e) To "destroy the nailing edge" shall mean (1) the decay occupies more of the narrow face than the allowable maximum wane in thickness when in streak form, or (2) the decay occupies more than twice the length of the allowable knot hole when a spot occurs completely through the narrow face.
Here's a link to that document, starting on pg 25 is a good section on how to look at knots and slope of grain when grading;
https://www.spib.org/pdfs/NGR-Interpretations.pdf
We had a good day today sawing 16'X2X6's and the end of the day tally was 168. Not bad. ;D
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The 2X6 stack grows taller. Probably won't add but one more lift.
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The telehandler got it's hind legs off of the ground with the last lift. :o
Looks like he boomed out to the pucker point :D
If you are booming out slow enough there is no pucker, just a gentle ride until the load is down. The trick is to remember which way to move the joystick after so the wheels go back to their "normal" position. :D
On my Lull there is a typical load / extension chart, arches, degrees, weights. Who has time to read all that? ;D What it lacks however is an image of 3 - 12" x 21' steel beams at full carriage and squirt boom out as being just over the tipping point!! Learned that trick on my own!! :o
With the extendable boom it's like magic in both ways with weight 😂
Sawing red pine 6x6x16 today and side lumber off the logs 1x4x16,1x5x16,2x4x16,2x6x16 and 2x8x16 it's for a tractor shed.
They are the customers logs he is a logger I buy from.
I like sawing red pine.
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Dog and pony show this morning with the designers and architects. A few changes, redo of the metal bowties, and some inlay changes- cut them out and replace with different grain structure. Building by committee.
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what are they pouring on your wood, what does the conveyor belt go to, and why do they not have sandpaper in their hands? could teach some valuable lessons.. wipe on... wipe off...
i know you have long hair, but when did you go blonde and start wearing all black? :o :o :o :D :D :D
the piece looks great.
These good folks turn up every few weeks to check on color, grain and eat a lot of my food :D the can is acetone to wet the material for a better visual inspection.
I haven't shaved or cut my hair in over a year and my wife dubs me "cousin It" from the Adams Family. I think I look more like Gandolf from Lord of The Rings,,,personally. ::)
Can you show a picture of the metal bow ties your going to use and what was not liked of the previous ones
Looks great, Rob. I am sure you built in a small penalty for their persnickity proclivities. I think the conveyor the Doc saw may be a jointer, a really nice, wide jointer.
I think you are right, I thought the spiral head was the belt lacings. OMG! :D :D
Quote from: Walnut Beast on November 17, 2020, 03:27:18 PM
Can you show a picture of the metal bow ties your going to use and what was not liked of the previous ones
This is a perfectly good inlay being gouged out because they did not like the grain direction.
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This inlay is going to be replaced with a piece of burl and squared up corners.
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These are metal bow tie spots. There are brass, stainless, and bronze bow ties as well as dark and light woods. The spec on the metal is a 30 % orbital burnish that needs to be sub-set just below the finish surface to accomidate for final sanding and finish application. Today they asked for all the metal bow ties to be engraved out of house, patinaed and pre-finished before subsetting, so off they went allready.
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A light wood bow tie with two specified wood inlays.
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One of the many bark inlays being developed.
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Its unfortunate that a committee is designing this table. ::) I have a feeling it will look like it when it is done! From what little I've seen, it is looking too "busy" with all the different wood types on the inlays. Too bad they just didn't have you do your usual phenomenal job without interference. I hope it doesn't turn into something that make you cringe when you see it. It's your reputation that is on the line, after all!
ljohnsaw,
Thank you for the kind words. Backing up several months ago, I pitched an original design of a single tree, split from the center and rolled out accurately endmatched/bookmatched, like someone had taken a knife and spread a giant walnut slab left and right. There are several designers, an architect and an owner involved and this is a museum centerpiece situated between two valuable George Nakishima live edge slab tables. Bluntly put, they offset the joinery, put whimsical crap at various locations and destroyed any of the bookmatching and endmatching to make it look like a ragtag quilt. I was told that this piece was not to be in competition with the high value museum pieces. So, it is detuned. It certainly won't be and the customer is always right. The people with whom I am working on this project are absolutely top notch designers and architects and they rely on me as a top notch fabricator to make it happen. I'm just happy to be somewhere in the food chain. LOL and have a piece surrounded by Nakishima.
On another note; honking my horn, Sam Maloof's coffin is made from my wood as he requested after eating at one of my dining tables. So, I am surrounded by Nakishima and I surround Sam Maloof. About as far as I am going to go in woodworking!
Also, happy to be part of this site. A great place to honk your horn amongst esteemed colleagues!
Yeah, this is a confusing piece, I am sure I must be missing something. Interesting thing about that bark inlay, what a neat idea! I might just try to something like this but a little different. You do beautiful work but it looks like you are spending more time with politics on this one than creating art. Sorry Man. Hopefully the grief will be reflected in the invoice. :D ;D
Never ever overcharge. Always over perform. You will never ever need to spend an advertising dollar.Be honest.
Thanks for sharing with everyone. You do very fine work
A couple of weeks ago I showed a nicely polished side support top roller but quite frankly I was disappointed with the bland look. It needed distinguishing character so I made another attempt today.
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Now this has a more geometric design and is much more to my liking. 8)
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The lumber whack is still growing with 9915 bf stickered. We stacked as high as the sky track would go. :o
I have stuff for the rest of this week so I will be back sawing next Monday.
Here is a short video of my customer's tree extraction services:
https://youtu.be/ukB3Q-g_jBE (https://youtu.be/ukB3Q-g_jBE)
Going to have some good airflow through those stacks.... ::)
Lynn,you have leant the speak real quick or have you been a closet officiando all along.
I had to wipe the coffee spatter of my phone first
Thanks
Quote from: Magicman on November 17, 2020, 08:49:35 PMA couple of weeks ago I showed a nicely polished side support top roller but quite frankly I was disappointed with the bland look. It needed distinguishing character so I made another attempt today.
So that's how you tested those 4 degree blades!
Yes, I read several replies stating that the 4° would take metal better. ::)
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I tried this first and then.....
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Yup, I counted 7 nails. This was a 30" log and the tree was ~8" diameter when the nails were driven into it. They were ~10" below the bark.
And that was my last sharp 4° blade. :)
looks like an old Viking shield miniature. :)
Quote from: Magicman on November 17, 2020, 08:49:35 PM
A couple of weeks ago I showed a nicely polished side support top roller but quite frankly I was disappointed with the bland look. It needed distinguishing character so I made another attempt today.
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Now this has a more geometric design and is much more to my liking. 8)
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The lumber whack is still growing with 9915 bf stickered. We stacked as high as the sky track would go. :o
I have stuff for the rest of this week so I will be back sawing next Monday.
Here is a short video of my customer's tree extraction services:
https://youtu.be/ukB3Q-g_jBE (https://youtu.be/ukB3Q-g_jBE)
MM:
You still haven't put a screw driver slot in the bolt head.
Better luck next time.
I have a roller that looks somewhat like yours, however I think it took you longer to stop the blade than it took me as I have fewer lines. It was a cloudy day and the sparks were a flying big time when I did mine. The noise sure does wake you up.
Gerald
...won't be sawin' into nuthin' until it warms up a bit (18°, add windchill and it's probly 5°). Am all ready to go though: about 250 WP saw logs (quite a few 6", but they make good 4 x 4's if a little waney), 20+ logs still on the forwarding trailer, just because.... ;D.
tule peak timber--I'd say you're in pretty good company!!!!
Bruno--naw, just a little pile-o-sticks compared to most here. With average time per log of 30 minutes to 1 hour (load, saw, sticker, move stickered stack, dispose of off-cut slabs, clean up sawdust), I've got 200 hours ahead of me ..... You'd probly get it done in a few days....
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All the best, Rob.
Quote from: Magicman on November 18, 2020, 06:59:26 AMYes, I read several replies stating that the 4° would take metal better . . . .
Yep, that might've been me Lynn.
My mistake, you and Jake cut so much metal that we should have a contest to see who could earn the nickname "Sparky". ;D
Quote from: 78NHTFY on November 18, 2020, 03:58:22 PM
...won't be sawin' into nuthin' until it warms up a bit (18°, add windchill and it's probly 5°). Am all ready to go though: about 250 WP saw logs (quite a few 6", but they make good 4 x 4's if a little waney), 20+ logs still on the forwarding trailer, just because.... ;D.
tule peak timber--I'd say you're in pretty good company!!!!
Bruno--naw, just a little pile-o-sticks compared to most here. With average time per log of 30 minutes to 1 hour (load, saw, sticker, move stickered stack, dispose of off-cut slabs, clean up sawdust), I've got 200 hours ahead of me ..... You'd probly get it done in a few days....
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All the best, Rob.
I've always wondered, 78NHTFY sound like an amateur radio call sign,am I correct ?
Quote from: firefighter ontheside on November 10, 2020, 03:23:36 PM@caveman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=12883) maybe you could come in from each side with sawzall and try to cut the metal. Then when you finish cutting, turn it around the other direction on the mill to finish the cut. That may save the blade. When I hit steel the other day and did not get thru it, I just cut the piece off with a chainsaw. You're more committed than me.
I spoke to the guy we sawed the pecan for and suggested that he use a sawzall to finish the cut and figure out what did the blade in. He used his chainsaw in stead and ended up ruining a chain. Turns out that someone at the college had filled the rotten knot with concrete. The ones we were able to saw turned out nice.
Well, even a fire rescue blade won't cut concrete. Would have been cheaper to try than a chainsaw though. At least the others turned out well.
Here is what's on my plate.
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I unloaded 3 semi log trucks Saturday morning. About out of room on this hill. Tim
here is a link to my prev. concrete experience.. thread.
https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=107679.msg1679249#msg1679249
tule peak timber--nope, but I still listen to the radio :D. 78NHTFY = 1978 New Hampshire Tree Farmer of the Year. It was a proud year for my Dad. He's now long gone and I'm just trying to live up to and maintain the property and legacy he left me... He started the Tree Farm in 1957!
Banjo picker--you've got a full meal on your plate ;D. What kind of pine is that?
All the best, Rob.
@doc henderson (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=41041) I knew someone had a recent run-in with concrete, but I couldn't remember who it was.
A little southern yellow to cut there. Long leaf or short leaf I'm guessing.
me too, but could not find it but i thought it was on the thread.
Rob, that is quite an accomplishment, Sir.
No sawing today but we did push a lot of wood out the window. I set up sort of a "hillbilly" finishing line that ran lightly through the sander to clean both sides of the boards, then through a trough at the window in the first building. A second trough where a hand applied coat of oil is brushed on, then into the second building where there is inspection and drying tonight. This is end matched, grain matched, colour matched, labeled sequenced walnut for the NNRH project. The crates in the center of the room are for water proofed (rain) shipping. I had 4 tail gunners today and they did a great job.
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Short leaf. Not much long leaf up here. Nice close grain, but the main buyer in this county won't buy anything that has the pith off even a little bit still makes great boards. Pretty much has to be perfect. They do pay well for what they buy. I'm working on it.
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Over 2500 bf in that stack. Tim
Flat stacked, ready to ship or??
Love to see you guys cranking out the good stuff
Customers wood he is coming to pick it up. I only sticker my own wood. Got finigualed into doing it once ,but never again. Tim
Why not? Just charge enough more to pay for the extra work.
Simple. I don't like to to it. Tim
I told my wife that once - just once! :D
Good enough reason I guess. When I get asked to do things I don't like to do I just quote unreasonably high rates. Unfortunately that doesn't stop some customers and I just remember to charge even more the next time.
I cranked out a quick mantle this morning. From distressing to first of 3 coats of finish.
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looks like crap!... :) guess that was what you were going for. If folks ever move away from rustic, will you just retire? :) would love a summary with pics sometime with stepwise ideas about distress, and also the hollow beams and mantles you make. I think my wife wants one. Not sure I can afford one of yours, :o 8) :D :D :D looks great. i like your arsenal of tools. need a holster.
Quote from: tule peak timber on November 17, 2020, 03:22:55 PMI think I look more like Gandolf from Lord of The Rings,,,personally.
You do look like Gandalf, the Wizard of the Wood mustache-smiley
My repeat customer from my longest mobile job (75 miles away) came by today with his SIL brought this load of "logs" by today for me to saw. They were just the tops out of a walnut and cherry. The biggest walnut core/pith is barely 6" and mostly sapwood. I sawed them into 5/4 but they were nothing to write home about. One hour mill time. Apparently the butt logs are beautiful but they could not transport them with their equipment (No trailer brakes - steep hills - too heavy) so I suggested seeing if they can find someplace near them where I can go saw them. We will see.
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When I finished sawing the customer looked at my mantels and bought my wrought iron banded spruce mantel I made a couple years ago. I guess I will have to find another candidate and get my blacksmith friend to build me another one.
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He also bought a 6' X 2" Le Slab that approached 18" max width. He saw my "Need a customer with more money than sense pile" and told me he will be back for my $1220 LE Walnut I had cut 2.5 years ago on a counterpart sawyer's Lucas Slabber. It is about 40" X 4.5" X 10'.
Then he spotted an old roughly 2"X 12" X 6' Basswood "Board" I sawed with a chainsaw 8-10 years ago, long before I ever thought about buying a mill. I had been using it as a trailer tailgate and had leaned it up against a post on my lumber shed. He wanted to know how much i wanted for it. I laughed and gave it to him. He plans to make a hat and rustic coat rack out of it. It is funny but you just never know what will catch a customer's eye.
Quote from: doc henderson on November 21, 2020, 06:15:28 PM
looks like crap!... :) guess that was what you were going for. If folks ever move away from rustic, will you just retire? :) would love a summary with pics sometime with stepwise ideas about distress, and also the hollow beams and mantles you make. I think my wife wants one. Not sure I can afford one of yours, :o 8) :D :D :D looks great. i like your arsenal of tools. need a holster.
JJ and Doc, Yes I am the wizard of crap, thank you.......I also do very fine diamond finish like work but most folks don't want that from reclaimed wood. I only deal in California beetle kill, fire kill, urban limber, mitigation take downs----basically fire wood crap.This year has been really good to me.
Doc, shoot me three numbers, and I will shoot you, a mantle
Quote from: tule peak timber on November 21, 2020, 08:06:19 PM
Doc, shoot me three numbers, and I will shoot you, a mantle
I think this is called "an offer you can't refuse". :) Very generous Rob. Your stuff is SO gorgeous! Sometimes it just seems like it spews out of your butt you make it look so easy.
"Wizard of Crap" seems just a tad inelegant, there has to be a better way to express this.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on November 21, 2020, 06:46:57 PM
It is funny but you just never know what will catch a customer's eye.
Sounds like that little job worked out pretty well. ;D I do note however, that you missed and opportunity to sell him new deck boards for his trailer. :D
@WV Sawmiller (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=28064) I had a customer bring me a trailer load of walnut firewood that he picked up from a roadside where the power company had cut up a walnut tree. I managed to cut most of it into boards. I had recently figured out a good way to mill short stuff on my mill. I milled all but about 2 of the shortest pieces he brought. He was very happy with it.
OGH,
I don't know that he needed new trailer decking as much as he just needed some fasteners applied to what he had. ;D
FFOTS,
I had a guy bring me some Paulonia one time like that. If it will fit across the rails (26" I think) I can clamp and saw but some of these I had to put a 4/4 board down underneath and another on the side to clamp against. The biggest thing was I had to remember to add that extra inch into my measurements.
Sounds about exactly the way I do it.
Slabbed a short 40" walnut for a friend. Being so short and wide it took about an hour to get it positioned before I could saw it. Thought the color was exceptional. Lots of red and purple. We were going to turn bowls out of the log but thought the highest use might be slabs.
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It was a "V" crotch so I expected lots of included bark. Probably turn some big platters out of a few of the slabs.
WOW @Larry (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=125) (honorable mention to mother nature) nice crotch wood.
@tule peak timber (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=25190) . Of course I was teasing. much easier to find an old board to look rustic than take a nice piece and make it look old and worn. I am in aw of your work. I have been trying to figure a good way to do a mantle, as it is behind my woodstove, and only min. stove pipe clearance to the wall. may have to put it on the side. she also wants a matching 30 foot beam at the peak or our 16 foot cathedral ceiling. :o :o :o hard to ship. thanks for all the good info and inspiration. :) :) :). I hope we can do a get together this spring and we can all catch up.
Respectfully I think I will keep the handle "Wizard of Crap". The business model for what I do is so, so different from what you would think of buying a mill, making quality lumber and having a good business doing it is where I am at. Bluntly put, I still own the 1x6's I first cut 14 years ago. There just is no market here for dimensional lumber at all. Plus all of the weird restrictions in CA limiting what you can do with wood.
In the early 90's, after working very hard, I was the undisputed "king of slime" in the hag fish industry here on the west coast. Not a very elegant title, not a very elegant business either. I just kept my head down, my mouth shut and made frequent trips to the bank. Being top of the dung heap never lasts very long. Something else I've learned during my years.
Cheers and enjoy the remainder of your weekend!
I often hesitate to throw anything in the fire, waiting for it's destiny to present itself. my highest Regards oh TPT the WOC, former KOS. :)
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Sawed some curly soft maple yesterday with ambrosia beetle streaking .
I have a pile of "Not worth saving, but too good to throw away" wood. It's surprising how many times I go to that pile when looking for something. Every couple of years I burn the whole pile and start over.
Dale
Had a customer this morning that came to buy some live edge cedar slabs. He had an old piece of walnut in the back of his truck that measured 3.5"x 8"x 8 feet long. Asked me if I could saw it into 2 boards.
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I offered to skim the back of both halves to even them out, but he said he wanted the backs the way they were. I didn't charge him but he gave me a $50 tip. He also bought $500 worth of slabs.
Ohio, that is as good as it gets.
Thats a good customer Patrick.
Rob -
Can't say I know anyone else who leased an airliner, so you have room to brag for sure, even if it did need a special jump start and spare kiddie pools every time. :D Heck - you could have tried flying rubber dog poop out of Hong Kong when the Hag fish didn't pan out any longer. :D
Sawed up this today. Never sawn any before, never thought I would get to saw any. Know what it is?
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Dogwood?
Dang!!! That was fast!!
:D I've done the same thing too.
I try to keep some around drying for chisel and tool handles. Pretty wood and tough.
I thought it was cherry! I can blame it on my pc monitor.
Actually I have sawed quite a bit of dogwood, but lots of it was sawn on the shop bandsaw. That tells ya what size I get.
@Southside (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=24297) it looks a little...ruff. I bet it had a real pretty... bark! you seem very excited, I bet you are panting and wagging your tail! go mark those board before they go missing. :) .
My logger/land clearing friend had 12 huge logs at his clay pit. It is about 7 miles from me. I made 3 trips Saturday and his huge CAT grapple loader gently loaded them on my trailer.
2 of the12 were iffy and huge.
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But the other 10 were nice.
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My gloves are on the largest log, 4th from the right. I will be cutting 20 foot 2x8 or 2x10s for my sawmill shed. But there was only one over 20 feet. Most were 19 feet, to fit in his roll off dumpster. The 20 footer had to be drug to the mill. My grapple can curl it up, but I couldn't get it off the ground. I just rolled if off the trailer to unload it. Two 19 foots were bucked down to 12.5 feet. All the others I could move and lift up and stack on skid logs.
hugs, Brandi
Those are some nice pine logs. Probably some worms working on them already, but that shouldn't be too big of a problem.
2x10's in #2 syp @24" on center can go 18'11" with a 20lb live load (wind, no snow). I'd use the jacket boards for siding or non structural to get down to good sound wood. That's a nice whack of logs.
The pink in the dogwood is I think an enzyme stain. Dogwood is white until you get to older funky wood or dried too slow but I like the pink. Mine are small too, I think they have all been milled on the shop bandsaw or tablesaw. Burns good too. It does have about the same ray fleck as cherry.
Good morning, mixed fire kill from Northern California.
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Tule,
Those aren't your usual logs. What are you going to do with those toothpicks? ;) :D
Special order for The Tijuana River Regional Park. This project is like a big playground made from timber . The plans are about 10 pages long !
Good eye on the peckerwoods !
Quote from: Don P on November 23, 2020, 08:16:06 AM
2x10's in #2 syp @24" on center can go 18'11" with a 20lb live load (wind, no snow). I'd use the jacket boards for siding or non structural to get down to good sound wood. That's a nice whack of logs.
The pink in the dogwood is I think an enzyme stain. Dogwood is white until you get to older funky wood or dried too slow but I like the pink. Mine are small too, I think they have all been milled on the shop bandsaw or tablesaw. Burns good too. It does have about the same ray fleck as cherry.
Thanks Don. I have been meaning to ask here. My trusses (40 foot wide prebuilt) will be on 5 foot centers. I am wanting the 2x10s for the top sill the trusses will set on. My existing 20 foot wide truss barn has two 2x6s bolted (one over the other) on each side of the post for the trusses to sit on. So I was gonna go this route.
Just don't know if I need two 2x8s or two 2x10s on each side. Or will one one each side work? I could even cut them thicker. I will post a photo of my barn later today. These will be also the top sills over 16 or 18 side door opening to move cut lumber in and out. I'm an hour north of Houston, so no snow loads, just strong winds every now and then.
Don't ask me how I know not to burn Dogwood.
hugs, Brandi
Whoa! hold the phone, we better start with a thread and some drawings, this is well outside of what I was thinking there.
One engineering thing, stacking 2 members over each other is the same structurally as putting them side by side, so a pair of 2x6's stacked is no different than a 4x6, not really strong enough for safe span of any appreciable size where a 2x12 is considerably stronger. When you make something twice as thick the strength doubles, when you make it twice as deep the strength squares, that adds up much faster.
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Good morning, mixed fire kill from Northern California.
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Looks like you done went and cut your hair. Tim
Nope :D Gone rogue in 2020, next step is a rock band. The milling is for nothing and all the wood is free.....
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Good for you. You do know I have had 3 eye surgery's on my right eye and I haven't taken my eye drops today. ;) Tim
Quote from: tule peak timber on November 23, 2020, 07:25:58 PMGone rogue in 2020, next step is a rock band.
I'm in, I suggest we call the band "Girth, Wind and Fibre.
Quote from: Don P on November 23, 2020, 04:16:07 PM
Whoa! hold the phone, we better start with a thread and some drawings, this is well outside of what I was thinking there.
One engineering thing, stacking 2 members over each other is the same structurally as putting them side by side, so a pair of 2x6's stacked is no different than a 4x6, not really strong enough for safe span of any appreciable size where a 2x12 is considerably stronger. When you make something twice as thick the strength doubles, when you make it twice as deep the strength squares, that adds up much faster.
Thanks Don. You can see the new thread here..........https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=112921.new#new
hugs, Brandi
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Quote from: tule peak timber on November 23, 2020, 07:25:58 PMGone rogue in 2020, next step is a rock band.
I'm in, I suggest we call the band "Girth, Wind and Fibre.
I'll be your drummer (and I can supply a great deal of Hormonic "Wind"....).
I'm going to mill some hackberry that I've had sitting for about a year and a half. Wish me luck that its spalted. Then I'm gonna mill the log that's under it. I'm not sure what that is. That will be a little bit of a surprise so that will be fun.
I used Hackberry to make my pallets. it is holding up well
I let this hackberry sit here for about a year and a half. It is spalted, but not all the way thru. I guess I need to go about 2 years in the future. I just brought home some logs a month ago. Have to remember to mill them in the fall of 2022. Hopefully dad and I can mill then without having to worry bout the rona.
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Hackberry go very quickly from spalt to rot. It's a fine lined game.
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Hackberry go very quickly from spalt to rot. It's a fine lined game.
Thats very true. These other logs I have are much bigger and I certainly don't want them to rot.
Pretty wood. I have some maple here that did that - only spalted on the ends apparently where there was more air exposure or such. Did not run the full 8' length - maybe 2' on each end. I agree if you'd waited very much longer you might have had spalted middles but rotten ends.
I got da monkey off of my back today and finished sawing that SYP whack.
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This ugly was the last one to saw :-X but three faces did yield some 2X4's.
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Luke is on "top of his job". :o
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The back stack is 12½' tall and the next is 11½' tall.
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Da udder end. The framing lumber is dimension sized 2X4's, 2X6's & 2X12's. A 4"X15"X14' beam, four Red Oak 10"X10" posts, along with some 1"X10" & 1"X12" side limber sneaked in. The total was 13,907 bf.
The guys got a very very nice pile of lumber. Especially with the prices now
Yes that's a whack and stack
Do they not have to use graded lumber there? Don't see how they get that in a house unless an engineer/grader is coming by. Of course with prices today that might make sense.
Grading requirements are based upon the county/municipality building codes plus the blueprint material list. This lumber will be used to build a new home and will not be graded.
Building codes are adopted at the state level but are enforced at the local level. Local enforcement varies widely. Compliance is on the contractor not the supplier. Several states do have some form of native lumber law that allows ungraded lumber in residential. Many states have ag exemptions for farm buildings. Almost all have exemptions for small utility buildings.
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Building codes are adopted at the state level but are enforced at the local level. Local enforcement varies widely. Compliance is on the contractor not the supplier. Several states do have some form of native lumber law that allows ungraded lumber in residential. Many states have ag exemptions for farm buildings. Almost all have exemptions for small utility buildings.
Oh I know, I guess lax or non existent compliance. Since it is for a house it is odd to me, that's all.
@Don P (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=17) I know the county may be lax on enforcing state regs but what do the insurance companies do? Would you have problems getting it insured? I would not want to build a home and not be able to insure it or have problems later if I went to sell it if I wanted to.
My county has no restrictions as I understand but 2 adjoining counties are have them and one is very strict.
Lynn, on a big job like this , do you charge differently? Flat rate ? One big pile of sticks... ;D
New Hampshire has one of the best native lumber laws on the books.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on November 25, 2020, 09:00:01 AM
I know the county may be lax on enforcing state regs but what do the insurance companies do? Would you have problems getting it insured? I would not want to build a home and not be able to insure it or have problems later if I went to sell it if I wanted to.
Insurance companies don't care. Sometimes they want pictures. Other times they might have an untrained agent take a look.
Loan companies don't care much either as long as the house appraises. New construction loans can be a problem for owner builds.
Outside the towns in my area, the only thing that gets looked at is the septic system and plumbing.
I built my home and shop but tried to meet the building codes of the closet town just to insure I would never have a problem if I ever get annexed. Also gave me peace of mind that I was doing it right. The building code officer in town gladly answered all my questions.
Quote from: tule peak timber on November 25, 2020, 09:13:52 AMLynn, on a big job like this , do you charge differently? Flat rate ?
No different billing, just my standard bf sawing rate.
Regarding using ungraded lumber for home building I ask the customer:
Does your blueprint specify #2 and/or rough sawn lumber?
Do you have a building permit if required?
Have you verified with your building contractor that he is willing to build with rough sawn lumber?
Has your lending institution signed off on your building plans/blueprint?
Has your homeowner's insurance carrier signed off on your building plans/blueprint?
Beyond that, I start sawing.
HAPPY THANKSGIVING!
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hugs, Brandi
thanks Brandi, beautiful spot and log and mill. you are on your way.
Wow 😳. You go girl 👍
Magicman, that's a nice whack of lumber. How many blades do you reckon you used on that job?
John and I sawed a good sized live oak for a customer yesterday afternoon. The customer and his wife are building a house and the tree came from their home lot. The wife does not want dark colored wood and the customer assumed that since live oak is a white oak that the wood would not be dark. We were kind of hoping he would not want it and we would get to keep it. He wanted a 6"x14" mantle and two slabs with one live edge for counter tops in his new gun room. After seeing them this morning when he came to pick them up, he left with all of them. These slabs were really good. I should have taken better pictures but we were working by the hour. We had to chainsaw this log into conformity from both sides(sometimes I wish we had a wide head mill).
A couple of days ago we sawed up some slash pine logs into 2x4's to use on another lumber rack to stack dry wood on inside the shop. This sawed so much easier than the big hearted, slow grown longleaf pine we have been cutting lately.
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The live oak is very nice
Quote from: caveman on November 25, 2020, 02:44:03 PMMagicman, that's a nice whack of lumber. How many blades do you reckon you used on that job?
Thanks. 5 metal strike blades, 7 dulled 4° and 3 dulled T7° blades. This topic LINK (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=112779.0) came about because I had a box of 4° blades and this job had some knotty SYP. I doubt that I will have the 4° blades resharpened or replaced because they dulled faster, sawed no better, and sawed much slower.
The metal strikes were anticipated because the customer has a tree removal service which was the source of all of these logs.
I can see sparks flying from that Live Oak. ::)
I really need to learn to recognize the different blades. I think the 10 deg do best on my LT15, but I bought some 4 deg to try. I put something brand new on the other day and I was not impressed. It seemed slow, even in narrow wood. I'm guessing it was a 4.
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Wood-Mizer sells a gauge to "measure" the teeth on their blades. I painted the 4° green, the 7° red, and the 10° white. The section of blade shown is a Turbo 7°.
FFOS: A question for your spalting efforts. Are you storing your "to be spalted" on the ground or are the logs up on bunks? I'm trying to do the same with some maple, and I have it on bunks. The more I think about it, and see what's spalted in the woods, I think I should have it on the ground, in moister location, and in the sun.
Any thoughts from others?
Thanks
Dale
@WV Sawmiller (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=28064) ,I've never heard of a problem with insurance but it would be a good idea to check ahead of time. Not long ago here I saw work that would probably lead to a denial if there were ever a claim filed.
Back before the current codes I worked all over the country, very often I never saw an inspector, sometimes a banker, never an insurance agent unless I was building for him. Inspectors are all over the road, we still have a real mess but it is slowly improving. Nobody likes big brother but in places with tight competent inspections buildings do fare better in disasters. It ain't fun but steel sharpens steel.
When looking at plans you need to know species and grade not just a grade number like #2. Each species or species group will have different strength in #2 grade. The most common callout on plans is "#2 SPF or better". When spans get longer or loads get higher it might call for #2 DF or SYP or #1 or even SS in one of the stronger species. If you see something like that walk on those members, or talk here. When I substitute yellow poplar or another species I'll often check it on the awc.org span calc. The beauty of that is it from the same folks that created the codebook span tables and has many species built in to it. Back 30 years or so ago the codebook had tables in the back with all those species and grades listed and span charts. Sadly most inspectors are not that old, nor contractors. And yes, NH has THE best native lumber law, many states in the northeast have some form of one. I would like to see something along those lines adopted universally but it should include some amount of training, I've talked more than a few sawyers out of doing something out of ignorance. We don't know what we don't know, or as one inspector said "Bless his heart, he don't know how much he don't know" :D. Until then it is a good idea to read the grading manual, especially the interpretations section to understand what grading is looking for while you are making lumber. There is a big difference between sawing logs and sawing lumber.
If mine sits for a year, on or off the ground, there is spalting. i have not needed to do this and it is contrary to the bug precautions, but you can put it in an area where prev. logs spalted, or poss. put a light dusting of dirt from that area that should contain spores.
My experience with spalting is that it occurs from the outside and works inward. When I try to spalt a log the outside sapwood is rot, than a few inches of good spalt, and finally the heart which is grey stained or just starting to spalt.
I have learned when I see a tree with a hollow spot that will hold water, the spalting is going to be great. Far better than anything I try on purpose. I've learned to keep an eye out for those trees!
Blue stain is a sign of metal not in this popular . Fresh cut petty wood yard tree glad it didn't go to the dump .
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@caveman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=12883) You know you are sawing nasty pine when it's a "relief" to saw live oak. :o
The slash pine sawed much easier and without having to use as much blade lube as the longleaf. Sawing live oak is dang near sawmill abuse. I did see a few sparks but thankfully no metal strikes.
Quote from: hersnsh#590 on November 25, 2020, 04:54:24 PM
FFOS: A question for your spalting efforts. Are you storing your "to be spalted" on the ground or are the logs up on bunks? I'm trying to do the same with some maple, and I have it on bunks. The more I think about it, and see what's spalted in the woods, I think I should have it on the ground, in moister location, and in the sun.
Any thoughts from others?
Thanks
Dale
I have read about folks storing logs hoping for spalt in shady, wet places. This log was sitting up on top of some other logs in full sun. I'm not sure what would be best, but this seemed to spalt just fine with little effort. I just got some other hackberry logs and I have place them in a shadier spot with some walnut logs on top and I'll see that they do in about a year and a half. I feel like hackberry spalts more readily than maple.
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I really need to learn to recognize the different blades. I think the 10 deg do best on my LT15, but I bought some 4 deg to try. I put something brand new on the other day and I was not impressed. It seemed slow, even in narrow wood. I'm guessing it was a 4.
Over here 4° will saw slightly slower but straighter for longer than a 10° blade. Probably just as fast as a 10 as you can push them hard and saw straight. Steve
In response to FFOS's question about spalting... Woodturners sometimes use Miracle-Go to rapidly induce spalting, employing leaves to keep the surface of the log wet. I have used Miracle-Gro with maple and it works quickly. My notes on the full recipe (whose origins I know not) are:
3 parts dried leaves
1 part water
2 scoops Miracle-Gro
1 part fresh horse manure
1 bottle of beer
If possible, wrap the wood in plastic. I didn't bother with the horse manure (even though I raised cattle) and there are better uses for a bottle of good ale.
I hope you that whatever method you choose, you end up milling some beautifully spalted wood. Charles
I will look for the blade guide Magicman.
That could be the case ladylake. I only have 15 hp. Maybe thats not enough to push that blade faster.
I have lots of beer, goat poop, leaves, water, but no miracle gro.
John and I have sawed live oak, slash pine, longleaf pine, cedar and cypress this week. Monday we sawed up a few slash pine 2x4's to build another lumber rack to store dried lumber inside my shop. We finished building the rack today. We spent a lot more time moving junk than we did building the rack.
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Very nice job on the racks.
Hi guys, i got a very good contract for a substantial amount of teak wood. almost half a house of beams, posts and whatever other piece out of wood, and the guy wants everything in teak. so all the effort and money spent on my sawmill shed and installation will be rewarded.
they want to start building in February and i need to fresh saw like a 1000 pieces of lumber. need to look for a kiln, which isn't that easy around here.
so my question is, do i need to end seal the lumber before sending to the kill or is that just for air drying so it won't crack?
I know nothing about teak but if it's a wood that's prone to end checking when air drying then I would seal it as the kiln will just accelerate the process. If it's a serious issue then looking at log savers driven into the ends might be money well spent.
Caveman:
From what little experience I have I would suggest putting something up to protect the windows.
However it is your window and if you desire experience changing it well then by all means go for it.
GAB
Gab, good call on the window. We should not have out windows in this shop. I have expanded metal on the outside. If I bust the glass, I'll pull a panel off a less noticeable area of the shop and cover the window opening.
WDH, thanks for the comment. When we don't have to do our jobs every day, we can get some work done. Monday's are usually our recovery days based on our step count on our phones.
Black locust sills.
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Milled my first pine today. I've milled oak and cedar and I think I prefer milling this pine over the other two. Milled nice. The tree made two 10ft logs and one 8 ft log. I got the biggest of the logs milled today. It made 7 nice 2x6x10. Im going to use them for a wood shed extension im building to get more dry fire wood out of the weather.
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Nic e lookin' 2x6's Kwill. Looks like a pretty good sized extension you're building for the wood shed.
How'd the hay wagon top turn out? Did I miss the final chapter on that?
Quote from: btulloh on November 29, 2020, 07:40:34 PM
Nic e lookin' 2x6's Kwill. Looks like a pretty good sized extension you're building for the wood shed.
How'd the hay wagon top turn out? Did I miss the final chapter on that?
Thanks. It turned out ok. Didnt care much for the oak boards I used for the deck. They twisted and warped some. I have had a chance to use it yet. Still have to get a couple new tires for it
I made a 63 mile (one way) trip today to saw two Red Oak logs.
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A 16' X 26" butt log and an 11' second cut.
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I decided to set up on the yard side of the logs and buck the 16' into two 8' for more yield for the customer since he did not need 16' lumber. I would saw the butt end first and then skid/winch the other two into position for the sawmill loader.
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And then a neighbor/friend showed up with two 6' ERC logs neither of which was over 8". He wanted a mantel from one and 1" lumber from the other.
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Everything was going as planned until...
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Yup, nails which were about 4" below the bark and were probably driven in by the homebuilder hanging his sign.
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The first skid.
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And then the 11' is skidded into place.
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Sawing complete and button up time.
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The lumber, mostly 1X12's. Some live edge and a couple of 2" slabs for benches, etc. This was a minimum sawing job and the customer rounded the travel/setup up to $100, $300 for the sawing, $30 for the blade, and $100 tip. It was a good day. :)
I will be back to sawing SYP framing lumber tomorrow.
Nice winching Magicman. No excuses with you. You do what it takes anywhere and get the job done 👍👍
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A little Red Cedar for semi retired client. He had a nice log for around here, so
I sawed it for him on Saturday. He wanted all live edge, he was pretty happy when he left. His daughter is building a new house and wanted a four inch thick slab for a sign. My dog was really fired up as he is holding a "stick" and he just might throw it.....
@Kwill (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=32883) there ought to be a good amount of shortleaf in that part of MO. I live on a tract of land that my grandparents and dad planted with shortleaf and lobl olly about 50 years ago. Some of the biggest are over 36" diameter. We lost a lot of the big ones in a tornado 17 years ago. Unfortunately I didn't have a mill back then and we sold a bunch for pennies, just to get rid of them. Had a small logger who skidded with a horse. He had a lot of work to get thru the maze of downed trees.
I am sawing a SYP framing lumber job with an ERC twist. The frost looked like snow this morning.
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The SYP in the background with the sawmill and the "surprise" ERC in the foreground. The customer will use his tractor/FEL and move the ERC to the sawmill.
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I only did an estimated quick count and got ~1400 bf. Some of the SYP pecker poles only yielded two 2x4's which is where the 8 footers in the foreground came from.
I only have two more SYP logs to saw before we get to the ERC which will all be sawn 1".
MM:
In reply 2172 the 5th picture down:
To the left of the 1st nail the sawing is smooth, after the 1st nail it appears your blade suffered some tooth loss, after the 2nd nail your blade lost even more teeth.
Did you examine the blade as I'm curious as to what percentage tooth you would estimate you lost?
Thanks for showing us the way to manufacture the washboard design.
Gerald
Several days of very warm weather got me out to the mill, despite a laundry list of other priorities. Sawing dead WP (have about 250 sawlogs on the deck). Managed a 20' x 6" x 10". That took awhile so I had to make up time by "tripling." Have done it sawing three 4 x 4's at a time but not 6 x 6 cants. Worked fine, pics follow. Even saw a huge hunk of yellow gold under a rainbow as I was sawing.... :D :D!
Speaking of time savings, I now sticker all lumber as I saw onto a rack that allows me to pick the whole load up with my TL150 & 5" forks and place it wherever for air drying. Before it was all dead stacked in small amounts onto my tractor forks then restacked with stickers in a pile. That ordeal is a thing of the past 8). All the best, Rob.
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@78NHTFY (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=3967) Your WM mill is a manual clamp and toe-board set-up - yet there's a hydraulic log lift on it.
Don't think Ive seen a mill like that before. Is that factory, or did you add the hydraulic and loader?
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Milling that amount of WP on a manual mill should qualify you for a skidder sized hunk of yellow gold!
Well done.
Quote from: GAB on December 02, 2020, 10:43:06 AMDid you examine the blade as I'm curious as to what percentage tooth you would estimate you lost?
Oh no, my curiosity does not extend that far but it did have enough teeth to be able to slowly saw to the end of the log without having to chop it out. No matter because it's on the way to Resharp to be rejected and replaced with a new T7.
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I finished the SYP & ERC job about mid-morning.
1985 bf. Time for a break. :)
I had a customer see my ad on Craigslist and placed and order which prompted me to go saw one of the big ash logs I cut a few weeks ago. It was 24" at the small end and over 30" at the big end so I had to gunbarrel it a bit to get it to fit between the roller guides. It was starting to get a little doty in spots so I had to slab and edge it deep but I still got a few 16" - 20" solid boards out of it.
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Yeah - that is that funny white stuff on the hillside behind the logs. The cut-off chunk is placed to chock the log till I could get it pointed at the mill. I still almost missed the front bed rail.
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234 BF of wide boards plus several pretty dry stickers still to cut to length.
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Wait - what is that?
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Yep, this is what the customer ordered. A little over 3 feed sacks full of fresh cut sawdust and a couple in the background from the last time I sawed some walnut and cherry. It won't be a big sale as I offer it for $1/bag to get rid of it but really will be the first time I ever sold sawdust. I did get over $200 worth of lumber as a by-product though. :D The man says he has a composting toilet and he will use some in case of oil spills. Hey, its a start.
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Quote from: GAB on December 02, 2020, 10:43:06 AMDid you examine the blade as I'm curious as to what percentage tooth you would estimate you lost?
Oh no, my curiosity does not extend that far but it did have enough teeth to be able to slowly saw to the end of the log without having to chop it out. No matter because it's on the way to Resharp to be rejected and replaced with a new T7.
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I finished the SYP & ERC job about mid-morning. 1985 bf. Time for a break. :)
You're not finished there MM. There's room on that trailer for more! :D
Andries--good eye! Added the hydraulics/loader arms a few years after getting the mill. What can I say: with the tired iron logging equipment acquired that I NEEDED ;D, it only takes a few weeks a year now to accumulate enough sawlogs for months of sawing on the manual mill. Yup, bottleneck. The physical aspect of sawing with a manual mill is enjoyable. The logging equipment does sit around a lot. Lumber sales paid for it so it makes me feel a little better.... A hydraulic mill would be great but then the volume of product would be such that the management, storage and the marketing/sales side would overwhelm me. Plus, manual mill maintenance is doable for a non-mechanic--fancy computerized anything, not so much for me. A key aspect is: I can log the Tree Farm when the ground is frozen or dry, causing virtually no damage to the land. I then saw when I can't log. This Tree Farm is managed 50% for recreation (lots of trails for walkers, bikers, X country skiers, hunters...) so it's important for us to have it look good. The wife and I are out daily doing TSI of some sort. And, the Forum has been a huge help in navigating what to do for this small retired persons operation. So far, it's working for me. 8). All the best, Rob.
That is outstanding.
Thanks, @78NHTFY (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=3967).
I like the way that you describe how we all find a balance point for energy, time, money, maintenance and space.
Sounds like you've figured that out. . . and Danny agrees too.
I've been spending half days milling bur oak on an LT40 hydraulic, without setworks.
The maintenance and operation suit me just fine, and the only bottlenecks that I face are the ones I lift to my lips. ;)
Keep up the good work!
I started out sawing Cypress today.
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The largest butt was ~26" so they were kinda small. The tops were no more than 14"-16".
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Everything was sawn 2" with either one or two live edges. Next would be three ERC logs.
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And true to form, the ERC had what ERC sometime has. Look Mom, no teeth!! ::)
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Maybe these teeth need braces?? Now I hafta know what is inside of dat log.
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Here is where the incident occurred!!
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And here is the drywall screw and my lost teeth. :o
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Next up are two burls; an Oak and a Cherry. The Oak was first.
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The first cut.
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And then a few more before we turn it 90°.
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Well, this ain't bad.
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And this is better.
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The Cherry is next.
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And it turned out some nicely figured pieces.
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All of the burl slices were 3", 4", and 6" thick.
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The Cypress and ERC slabs.
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I'll have to send this Cypress stump to someone??
I have a 39" butt SYP log waiting for me Monday morning.
The burls look awesome
I cut a red oak burl like that a few years ago. Very pretty. Just like that one.
My friend? found this little cherry jewel for me to saw. After a trip to a very exclusive gated community/country club I got it home.
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She took the pressure washer to it this afternoon. This is Arkansas and there was lots of rocks wedged between the roots. I wonder if a root will grow around a rock?
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We cut off a piece of root and turned it on the lathe to see the color/grain and it was impressive.
I may need advice from the WOC aka @tule peak timber (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=25190) on second thought maybe not. :D
Careful what you ask for Rob's guidance on. He will have you milling that on a 37° bias, then cutting those cookies into various sized pentagons and rejoining and gluing them with grain matches into a 40 x 90" table top, then a 30 step finishing process to get the pigments to match the yellow/brawn tie you wore at your grammar school graduation, which includes 7 different stains and gloss finishes from 3 different vendors with 4 different mixing processes. After all that you will have to re-sand for about 20 hours before applying the last finish coat.
Quote from: Larry on December 05, 2020, 10:05:46 PMI wonder if a root will grow around a rock?
Oh yeah, or a plow point :D
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My friend? found this little cherry jewel for me to saw. After a trip to a very exclusive gated community/country club I got it home.
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She took the pressure washer to it this afternoon. This is Arkansas and there was lots of rocks wedged between the roots. I wonder if a root will grow around a rock?
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We cut off a piece of root and turned it on the lathe to see the color/grain and it was impressive.
I may need advice from the WOC aka @tule peak timber (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=25190) on second thought maybe not. :D
On a serious note, I would cut the root ball into a cube, sterilize it in the kiln , then sand the surfaces. Use an oil to make the grain pop and sell as coffee table or side table . That beauty is worth $$$. The root balls are FULL of rocks , but below the ball the roots are mill worthy as cabinet bases, wall art, island corners, etc. As I say ,,,cut the crap,,,and go make some money.... 8)WOC
We need a WOC emoji in the smileys list
Quote from: Old Greenhorn on December 05, 2020, 10:57:53 PM
Careful what you ask for Rob's guidance on. He will have you milling that on a 37° bias, then cutting those cookies into various sized pentagons and rejoining and gluing them with grain matches into a 40 x 90" table top, then a 30 step finishing process to get the pigments to match the yellow/brawn tie you wore at your grammar school graduation, which includes 7 different stains and gloss finishes from 3 different vendors with 4 different mixing processes. After all that you will have to re-sand for about 20 hours before applying the last finish coat.
Not sure which build you are describing...Same crap,different look... :D Woc
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is the blue tape to mark voids to repair? eye popping, I think I will take some Ibuprofen! :o :o :o. again, that is a compliment coming from me! :D :D :D
Is that done on a plywood base? not to get to all your proprietary info. in case China is listening. :)
WOC, that's simply AMAZING! A lot of time spent in that project. Beautiful!
The tape is to mark micro flaws.You hold a light tilted against the surface that will reflect anything not perfect, then repair.
The tables are built with solid,torsion box,or foam cores, depending. Pic below is a torsion core layup.The veneer cookies /shapes are from nail/wire infested walnut logs not fit for sawing-your basic firewood, actual crap ! Woc
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WOW WOC! got clamps? I cannot imagine how to bid something like that. In the mid-west, many folks are to practical to spring for something that complex, although beautiful. do you know what the final weight was? I am sure it was reduced a bunch with that frame.
I see your hair was shorter then, prob. for sanitary reasons! :) now could just wear a surgical cap. :D
Doc, I've given up on my weight, my hair, and my sanitation is next in line. :o
Looks great 👍
Very nice looking. How thick were the wood pieces in the table
The bottom is 1/2 inch, the core is 1/8 on end, the top is 1/8 ply with 1/4 to 3/8 veneers ground down to even through a sander. That sanded thickness determines how wide the ply on end needs to be for overall spec. Big tables that weigh very little. This type design also has a subset steel band wrapped all around.
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Interesting. Thanks for sharing. Love it 👍
John and I sawed and stickered some cypress in the kiln today. We pulled these logs out of my pond. We got these logs last September but put them in the pond when we realized that it would be a while before we had a need for them. Unfortunately, we had to cut several 16 foot logs down to 10' for this job. I guess we will need to build a few picnic tables and porch swings to use the 6' short logs. They did saw nice though.
One of the butt logs was hollow. When we pulled it out of the pond up into the yard a couple of fish fell out on the grass.
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Fish fry!!
Lovely looking cypress boards, it has got me thinking that I have never knowingly seen or worked with cypress wood before and wonder what it might compare to?
If I were to guess I would think it would be like eastern white cedar.
@Cardiodoc (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51488) brought a cedar beam he was given. It had a split on the side that went nearly to the pith. we sawed parallel to the split. came out nice, and was basically dry as it had been inside for years. I even let him saw a little under my close supervision. :D :D
It was a 8 x 12 x 16 feet long.
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we split the wood, as neither of us is sure yet what we will use it for.
Hilltop, bald cypress and pond cypress are very similar and saw easily. The blade we used for this whole job we had already sawn a pretty good whack of pine with. I was going to change it but it kept sawing flat and relatively fast. Most of the pine and cypress we sawed was thinner than 1" but we sawed over 1400ft2 with that blade.
As for cypress wood itself. These logs, although taken down a year and several months ago have been in my pond. They were squirting water when we were sawing them. Wet, cypress is heavy. Dry, it is lightweight. It works easily and is relatively soft (Janka 510).
Thanks caveman, I see that white cedar has a Janka rating of 320 so a bit softer than cypress.
Load of red pine from the Billings Farm and Museum National park hit the mill yard this afternoon.
Nice logs I hope I don't get spoiled :D
I saw some nasty logs sometimes. This won't be one. I still have more black locust logs coming in. This will take the sting off.
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That's great looking stuff, Bruno. I would love to be able to call someone up and get trucks full of logs dropped off at the mill. Not many trees worth sawing so no logging around here. I can be hard to scare up logs.
Alan
I drove 43 miles this morning to saw a "one log job".
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But quite the log it was. 21' X 39" butt X 30" top.
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The customer bucked it into two 10's.
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Dat's a hunk-a-wood.
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I had to gently lower the side supports and nudge it over to the sawmill mast.
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Thanks to the Wood-Mizer cantilever design, I was able to hang those inches to the sides without having to do any chainsaw trimming. The customer did do a butcher job with his bucking but in his defense, he had a ragged chain.
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It was a beautiful log and a joy to saw. Those two 10' logs yielded 943 bf of 1X12's, 10's, 8's, and 6's.
Apparently the customer was pleased because he gave me a $160 tip. ;D
EDIT: But I forgot to get a picture of the lumber. :-X
That's pretty cool Magicman 👍
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We had a cool morning too.
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We collected a shwack of oak logs last month.
The weather is good. Air is at around 25 degrees and the snow is only 2 or 3" deep.
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The four, six and eight foot logs are being milled to 5/4.
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Some short and curvy ash logs were milled for timber frame braces.
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edging is done on the mill - 1x1" oak stickers.
They will thaw out in April and might be completely dry by October, maybe.
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A skinny 19 footer, will get a 6x6 out of it.
All those posts previous to mine . . . SO confusing.
What is that green stuff on the ground?
. . . and y'all are dang near naked, and smiling!
I don't understand.
Quote from: Andries on December 07, 2020, 09:09:48 PM
All those posts previous to mine . . . SO confusing.
What is that green stuff on the ground?
. . . and y'all are dang near naked, and smiling!
I don't understand.
It just might have something to do with the fact that you are 2000 (Est.) miles closer the the North Pole.
Gerald
Andrires - did you have to special order that combo thermometer / band tension gauge on your mill or is it standard equipment for mills sold north of the arctic circle? :D
Your LT70 and 35 have the same gauge, WM makes great equipment.
Mine isn't special order, but my thermos holds "special coffee" . . . the kind that doesn't freeze. ;)
For warmup and cleanup time.
Quote from: Magicman on December 07, 2020, 07:51:29 PM
I drove 43 miles this morning to saw a "one log job".
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But quite the log it was. 21' X 39" butt X 30" top.
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The customer bucked it into two 10's.
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Dat's a hunk-a-wood.
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I had to gently lower the side supports and nudge it over to the sawmill mast.
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Thanks to the Wood-Mizer cantilever design, I was able to hang those inches to the sides without having to do any chainsaw trimming. The customer did do a butcher job with his bucking but in his defense, he had a ragged chain.
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It was a beautiful log and a joy to saw. Those two 10' logs yielded 943 bf of 1X12's, 10's, 8's, and 6's.
Apparently the customer was pleased because he gave me a $160 tip. ;D
EDIT: But I forgot to get a picture of the lumber. :-X
Nice work Magicman! Curious, did you get a chance to try the 1.5" yet? Looking forward to your opinions on them.
Andries, that tundra still looks frozen to me.
donbj; Apparently they are backordered?? I do know that some profiles are in short supply and I have not gotten a shipping notice.
I was able to order (15) 1¼"X7°/39 and have a "shipped notice" so they will be here probably tomorrow. This means that I will not be changing blade widths anytime soon. No problem because I wasn't having any problem with the 1¼" anyway, just curious.
I am sawing White Oak today. The customer said 11 logs but I have no idea about the length nor cut list. I suspect 16' trailer decking.
@Bruno of NH (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=26349) hey jim! I cut those red pines! Hope you have as much fun milling them as I did cutting them. 5 16 footers in most of those trees adds up quick! What are you turning them into?
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I thought you might have
I didn't notice till this morning they are hand cut.
They are supper nice logs.
Thank you for the hook up.
I might be doing a timber frame package and sugar house package.
I sawed another one day and done job today.
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13 logs, 2 of which were 16' and the remainder ~12'. 3 got culled so I sawed 9 White Oak and 1 Walnut.
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The 16' logs were sawn into 1½" trailer decking and the remainder mostly 1". The total yield was 1321 bf. I may saw a couple of one day jobs but no more multi-day jobs this year.
MM,
Looks good. I like the one day jobs. I like coming home and seeing Milldred in the mirror following me and a check or greenbacks in my pocket at the end of the day.
BTW - why were the 3 logs culled? The ones I see in the picture looked pretty good.
One had a huge knothole mid way and was big time hollow
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and two were only ~5' long. It was about quitting time anyway so not sawing them was an easy "executive decision" made jointly between the customer and me. ;D
MM, You have found your niche. I am curious how you broke down the over sized Loblolly (looked like to me) logs you sawed a couple of days ago. Did you make multiple cants out of the logs and then saw your 12", 10" and so on? I don't see pines with that dbh even with ones that are over 125 years old.
That tree was ~90 years old. No I did not make multiple cants.
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I identified and marked the 12" centered cant and then removed the side lumber until I reached my target. After that 12" center cant was sawn through, I brought those wide flitches back up about 4 at the time and sawed 1X12's, 10's, 8's, & 6's. Yes more work, but much more stable lumber. With the generous tip, the customer apparently appreciated my efforts.
This was a many times repeat customer and his two nephews are also many times tailgunners so they know my next move. Each log took about 45 minutes to saw.
Lynn, I know I have picked at you before about your fancy, high class riding seat on your mill but how do you move the slabs and flitches off to the loading arms as show in the last photo? Can you just push them off from your seat or do you depend on your off-bearer to remove them?
Yes, with the tailgunner at the back of the sawmill, I can easily push the slab or flitch off of the front end as I return. It's a simple and smooth operation.
If there are two tailgunners, I generally pause in the center and allow them to remove it.
I tried to make something from my long skinny ERC poles i was given. prob. 200 of them 14 to 20 feet long. the trouble is the taper. some that are 8 to 12 LED, may only be 4 to 6 on the far end. here are pics of my attempts to make some "mountain" siding to use these up. make something useful.
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Doc;
That siding looks beautiful.
It looks like you're using the toe board to deal with the taper - good work.
You say you have 200 of those ERC logs?
Stack it, dry it and sell it. The price of lumber is way up.
Or, a building project with the Scouts might work out really well too.
Sauna?
we are putting a sauna in our pool house. sadly I bought the T&G cedar for that before i had the mill. long story.
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Short, heavy,misshaped Maple is a challenge to rotate...
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Everyone is like Christmas at the sawmill...
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Pretty wood.
very nice looking with character.
Thanks Doc. I partially cut that big log when I first started with the mill. I struggled, broke a few blades, etc.
After a couple years experience I loaded it back on yesterday and cut it with no issue.
Tricks of the trade!
I milled up some nice rainbow poplar this week. Here's a video.
Sawing Rainbow Poplar With Our Fast Woodmizer LT-70 - YouTube (https://youtu.be/Yunmv-eUKZE)
Thanks for making the video of my mill sawing up a log in less than 15 minutes that I asked for several months ago. What took you so long? :)
Chip has seem it before and did not appear to be too interested.
Chip was bored. He is hard to impress.
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Quote from: terrifictimbersllc on December 13, 2020, 05:18:26 AM
Thanks for making the video of my mill sawing up a log in less than 15 minutes that I asked for several months ago. What took you so long? :)
Ain't that the truth.
I was thinking later I should have scaled the log, but just guessing I estimate conservatively at 150 bdft or so. It took about 12 minutes of real time, one man sawing for this log, and that would come out to about 750 bdft per hour, give or take, sawing as a one man operation, day in and day out. That's significantly faster than my older LT-40 hourly yield.
That raises an interesting question, though, what would be the yield if I had some help? I used to have either 1 or 2 tailmen, and their job was to keep me sawing, not stacking. So I went back into the video and cut all the time that I had to stop sawing to stack wood and the length was reduced to about 9 minutes, which would bring the yield to right at 1,000 bdft per hour, pretty good for sawing 9 foot logs. Of course, if I had been sawing normal 12 foot logs, the yield would have gone up from there, probably to the 1,200 bdft range. These are also 4/4 which means more passes. Me watching the video is a good way to visualize where I'm losing time sawing by myself, although I'm not having to move much from the controls and it seems to be pretty efficient. However, a couple powered roller table would defintly help.
I realize you handle more boards than slabs but the slabs seem to put you farther out of position from the controls, as I was watching the video I was thinking if there was two rollers instead of one positioned so that slab was spanning across them and were sloped a bit towards the forks you would only need to shove the slabs a bit and remain closer to the controls with less effort. Also was thinking a couple of rows of the ball type rollers where the board lands would would allow you to push the slabs to the side and pull boards back with less effort.
Not sure if this would work in the real world.
I cannot saw that fast. I'd be popping blades off right and left.
YH,
I shouldn't have watched.
I see how slow my mill is now :D.
I want to wait a year or so for an upgrade.
But ?
I saw in a similar fashion but my mill is not near as fast sawing and the setworks are slower.
My comments.
When sawing I make it a practice to never handle a board or slab until I have the blade back into the log making the next board. I noticed your saw is doing nothing while your pushing the slab down the roller ramp or stacking boards. Why?
Great job on the video and my hats off to you for taking the time to make it. I just started doing video's and quickly learned how much time it takes. I picked up on a couple of things I might be able to do to improve my production.
I've never sawed rainbow poplar as we don't have any here. I did go to a wood turning school in N. Carolina this past February where we spent a week turning rainbow poplar. I was stunned by the brilliant colors. Within a couple of months it had all turned to a boring brown. Does your wood keep its color?
Found a picture.
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I'm dragging slabs straight back and sliding boards to the side. If I stick, the saw is faster than me in most 8' logs. If I don't stick, the saw cuts the next board in about the same time as I stack.
Your pulling boards straight back and pushing slabs to the side. Might be more efficient for me since I edge on the mill. I'll try it.
Good idea having the fire extinguisher 🧯 around
I like sawing popular , saws like butter. Steve
The Poplar I've cut here in Wisconsin either has a fruity smell, or has kind of an "unpleasant odor". ;D
I sawed a sassafras log today. Man did that smell good. I was really surprised how strong the smell was while cutting. It's not very hard wood, but is pretty. Then I hurt my back and that was the end of cutting. Instead I went in and ate lunch. I took the boys with me to get a new rope for my crank feed on the LT15. I should have done that a long time ago. Feeds much better now.
Wasn't a little cold 🥶 today 😊
Quote from: Hilltop366 on December 13, 2020, 11:09:59 AM
I realize you handle more boards than slabs but the slabs seem to put you farther out of position from the controls
Not sure if this would work in the real world.
You are correct, it does. Up until a short time ago, I had the roller table at a slant and when I put the slab on the table it would gravity feed to the end and drop off in the forks. At some point, it got too level and I never got around to fixing it.
I'd really like some kind of slab kicker but I haven't found one that works the way I want.
Quote from: Larry on December 13, 2020, 10:17:41 PM
I saw in a similar fashion but my mill is not near as fast sawing and the setworks are slower.
My comments.
When sawing I make it a practice to never handle a board or slab until I have the blade back into the log making the next board. I noticed your saw is doing nothing while your pushing the slab down the roller ramp or stacking boards. Why?
Great job on the video and my hats off to you for taking the time to make it. I just started doing video's and quickly learned how much time it takes. I picked up on a couple of things I might be able to do to improve my production.
I've never sawed rainbow poplar as we don't have any here. I did go to a wood turning school in N. Carolina this past February where we spent a week turning rainbow poplar. I was stunned by the brilliant colors. Within a couple of months it had all turned to a boring brown. Does your wood keep its color?
The LT70 has a nice cruise control button, and I tried it because I always used it with my LT40. However, this mill will cut as fast as me stacking and if I put it in cruise, and a board doesn't flop right, the I have to take the extra second to fix it and it throws everything out of sync.
I look like Lucy boxing chocolates.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y0nsN4px10 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y0nsN4px10)
I could slow down but then I get into the issues of too much residual sawdust and stuff. Also, I'm old and I can't stack wood that fast all day, but I sure enjoy sawing fast. If I have a tail man, I bury him.
The longest we have had a customer tell us they can keep the color is 15 years. They key is to use a very UV protective coating, and expect the shades to darken a register. However, the darker cuts like in the log in the video can be allowed to darken to almost black and it's "Poor Man's Walnut." It's spectacularly dark, almost black with whiter stripes.
Making videos will eat up time unbelievably fast, and the hardest part is making myself stop what I'm doing to make them. It's why I never did it before, but so far it's kind of fun. Not a lot of fun, but not bad.
Quote from: LeeB on December 13, 2020, 11:12:55 AM
I cannot saw that fast. I'd be popping blades off right and left.
Surprisingly, I have the set works forward speed at well below maximum. This was fastish, but when I chuck up some small cedar or white pine, soft maple, etc and dial up the speed controls, it will make this speed look not fast.
I am too old to try and run a race so I just does what I can does.
Quote from: Resonator on December 14, 2020, 02:00:03 PM
The Poplar I've cut here in Wisconsin either has a fruity smell, or has kind of an "unpleasant odor". ;D
Are you talking about tulip poplar? I have never known it to have an unpleasant smell. Maybe sometimes a bit of a lemony smell.
FFOTS, did you get the overpowering urge to go drink a root beer when sawing all that sassafras? :D
All the trim in my kitchen is sassafras. The roots made some great tea and used the branches in the smoker . :)
I've never noticed a smell off poplar, other than a "clean" hardwood smell. Sass on the other hand will stay in my nose for a few days.
Yes, the sassafras was quite pungent. I may have to go get some A&W later.
I'm not feeling too motivated this morning. It was 18 when I got up and it has only warmed to 21 in 3 hours. I have some big walnut logs to mill for a customer. I'm gonna give it another hour.
QuoteAre you talking about tulip poplar?
No, not Tulip Poplar. I don't know the proper genus and species, but what grows here up north is a type of Aspen with white bark. I know that it grows like a weed, and if you cut one down, 1000 sprouts will grow back around the stump.
Balsam poplar and quaking aspen both grow in Wisconsin. I'm guessing you're referring to balsam poplar, which is not related to Yellow/Tulip Poplar at all.
Balsam poplar (Populus balsamifera) pretty much only grows in the northeast part of Wisconsin into the U.P.
Throughout the rest of the state it's either Bigtooth aspen (Populus grandidentata) or Quaking aspen (Populus tremuloides) also called trembling aspen or popple by a lot of people here. You're probably dealing with Quaking aspen if it's whiter bark. Usually the Bigtooth has more of a yellowish color bark, and when they get really big almost look like oak bark. Can't comment on the smell as I don't saw, just a forester.
Quote from: Otis1 on December 15, 2020, 06:37:12 PM
Balsam poplar (Populus balsamifera) pretty much only grows in the northeast part of Wisconsin into the U.P.
Throughout the rest of the state it's either Bigtooth aspen (Populus grandidentata) or Quaking aspen (Populus tremuloides) also called trembling aspen or popple by a lot of people here. You're probably dealing with Quaking aspen if it's whiter bark. Usually the Bigtooth has more of a yellowish color bark, and when they get really big almost look like oak bark. Can't comment on the smell as I don't saw, just a forester.
Otis1,
The great thing about this forum is that everyone contributes (except me, I just read and learn...) for the benefit of all. Nobody here is "just" a Forester, least of all- you. Thanks for the info.
Steve
I have sawn quite a bit of Quaking Aspen and I can tell you it doesn't smell very good. Think of a mens room used by a bunch of drunks.
I saw lots of it.
It sells well and makes me money.
It does smell
Elm is the same.
Makes me want to have a nose enema.
Gonna go out and mill this 22" walnut that is 10' 6" long. It has a good curve to it. I gave my customer the option of having less waste and curved slabs or straight slabs and more waste. He opted for curved slabs. He said his son is planning to make a big dining table with these live edge slabs.
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@firefighter ontheside (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=26921) , Jealous. 22" dia, pretty clean, those are the most fun to mill. Love walnut.
Contest: Can ya'll guess what I'm milling now?
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Quote from: Brad_bb on December 16, 2020, 08:56:01 PM
@firefighter ontheside (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=26921) , Jealous. 22" dia, pretty clean, those are the most fun to mill. Love walnut.
Contest: Can ya'll guess what I'm milling now?
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Yellow crayons?
Osage 😂
It was a good log. I did find one nail and half a dozen .22 bullets. Made some great slabs though. This one was for a customer. I've got a bunch of walnut of my own to mill, but it will have to wait. I put a red elm on the mill at the end of the day today. The bark all fell off and revealed a drywall screw sticking out. Pulled that out and decided to run the metal detector over it. Found 2 more nails. I will have to use the metal detector on every cut with this log.
Quote from: Darrel on December 16, 2020, 09:27:11 PM
Quote from: Brad_bb on December 16, 2020, 08:56:01 PM
Contest: Can ya'll guess what I'm milling now?
Yellow crayons?
Close (we have some real comedians here!).
Walnut Beast got it.
Cut the first 4, only about 50 more to go. Making live edge brace stock with the curved ones, and fence posts with the straight ones. These are logs I cut a year ago. Never intended to wait this long to mill them. They are making some very fine flour sawdust which necessitates a respirator. Obviously I'm going to need to wear my goggles too. Not milling as bad as I thought given the dry time, but you still need to keep a sharp band on. 4° double hard. One band every two logs or so. Taking and keeping side wood from them too. There are two 5x5x 8.5' fence posts you can see in the top of the pic,the first ones I've cut. I'm going to make a fixture put the posts at 45 degrees so I can make them into octagons.
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Looking good Brad 👍
Nice whack of osage.
Quote from: Brad_bb on December 17, 2020, 12:10:37 AM
Quote from: Darrel on December 16, 2020, 09:27:11 PM
Quote from: Brad_bb on December 16, 2020, 08:56:01 PM
Contest: Can ya'll guess what I'm milling now?
Yellow crayons?
Close (we have some real comedians here!).
Walnut Beast got it.
Cut the first 4, only about 50 more to go. Making live edge brace stock with the curved ones, and fence posts with the straight ones. These are logs I cut a year ago. Never intended to wait this long to mill them. They are making some very fine flour sawdust which necessitates a respirator. Obviously I'm going to need to wear my goggles too. Not milling as bad as I thought given the dry time, but you still need to keep a sharp band on. 4° double hard. One band every two logs or so. Taking and keeping side wood from them too. There are two 5x5x 8.5' fence posts you can see in the top of the pic,the first ones I've cut. I'm going to make a fixture put the posts at 45 degrees so I can make them into octagons.
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Brad all you need for fixturing are 2 V blocks.
GAB
Frozen white oak is no match for a sharp band.
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23" wide live edge slabs will make somebody happy.
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Finished off my day by grade sawing another 400 board foot of white oak. I really think the logs were only about half froze. For the past few years hasn't got cold here and the ground hardly ever freezes.
I was milling beautiful red elm today before my mill engine konked out. Theres a slight chance I'll get it fixed, but more likely that I'll be putting a new engine on. I'm not totally bummed since I'll get a HP upgrade, but didn't need to spend the $ on it right now. Oh well, its a tax deduction.
Why do you think you need to replace it? Is it high hours? Smokes? Blew out the crankcase? One of the most common problems I've had is the fuel hose cracking where it comes out the gas tank and turns down. It sucks air and won't start in that case. Nevermind, just read your other post about your engine.
When I talk to the guy from the shop where I would get a new engine, I will tell him what's going on with the old engine and see what he thinks is the problem. From there I will decide whether to have them look at it. Maybe they will diagnose it without charging me anything as long as I tell him I will either pay him to fix it or pay him for a new motor.
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It might not be apparent in this photo but the red oak log is 37" on the large end and 34" on the small end.
It required "right much whittling" to start sawing it. I wouldn't do this often but my customer is a friend and this tree was in the yard of her childhood home. Her son, pictured, has a Husqvarna 395 so he did most of the trimming where a chainsaw was required.
We quarter sawed it and made some beautiful lumber for table tops. Apparently, my customer's sons will be building family members items from their granddaddy's oak tree.
Who says the LT 35 can only cut 32" logs?
I calculated the weight right at the capacity of the mill to lift and turn it. It was.
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The rest of the tree was cut into live edge 9/4.
I didn't get a photo of the cherry logs we milled later in the day. Did I say we had to move that big log with my truck? We put a chain on it and I dragged it to the sawing location the moved the mill into place beside it.
Cut 1320 bf of 1x yellow pine today. Customer stacked and stickered. Started at 8:30 am, finished at 3:30 pm.
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Patrick, that's some hustling! Quite a tally of lumber in 7 hours!
Quote from: SawyerTed on December 19, 2020, 06:48:37 PM
Patrick, that's some hustling! Quite a tally of lumber in 7 hours!
Yeah, I'm pretty tired right now. I'll sure be glad when I finally get the power feed/ power head. Pushing the head isn't that bad, but the hand crank to raise the head is what gets me. I'll be glad when I can do it with the remote control. Customer had his act together. 1 guy on a forklift feeding the mill and 2 guys offbearing. Going back tomorrow afternoon to try and saw another 700 feet.
Here are a few from the last month or so, large birch slabs from one of those "junk" trees that a customer was going to burn. Some live edge 1 x shelves and some other misc projects.... oh and the pup!
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Fine looking hound . ;D
Thanks! That's Colt he is a Pudelpointer, my partner in crime when it's safe for him to be around. Those trees can be hard on a young pup and I don't want him to have to learn.
Patrick,
I hope the customer is going to re-stack that lumber. I can't imagine him getting much air flow in a stack that wide. Well done on the sawing.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on December 20, 2020, 01:54:35 PM
Patrick,
I hope the customer is going to re-stack that lumber. I can't imagine him getting much air flow in a stack that wide. Well done on the sawing.
From what I understand, he is going to use it in the next couple of weeks. Board and batten siding on his new barn. We sawed another 600 feet this afternoon and I'm going back next week for a couple of days to saw about 2200 feet. That should be enough to finish his barn.
I normally saw at home and haven't done much mobile sawing, but I've picked up a few more mobile jobs recently. I kinda like packing up at the end of the job and leaving the mess for someone else to deal with.
My commercial customer order 4 8x14x14 timbers the other morning just as Deb and zi were leaving to take her to the dr. Wanted to pick them up the next morning. Didn't get back home till nearly dark. The medication she took made her sick, do I had to stay with her till she felt better. I got them cut a little after 10:00 pm. They send a man in a pick up truck to get them the next morning. I put em in there. He had a load. Thought he was going to pick up 2x8s. Surprise. Tim
I've been cutting Poplar 2x10x4' for axe throwing targets. This is a standing order. Who knew that axe throwing was such a big thing? It's relatively easy money.
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Quote from: SawyerTed on December 23, 2020, 12:47:17 PM
I've been cutting Poplar 2x10x4' for axe throwing targets. This is a standing order. Who knew that axe throwing was such a big thing? It's relatively easy money.
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I was contacted this summer from a facility about 20 minutes away. Nice guy and he knew what he wanted. Would have been a nice contract but had to tell him I wouldn't be able to supply the volume he was looking due to lack of reliable log supply and not many suitable species locally (softwoods). He was dissatisfied with his current supplier because of the large number of knots. I told him unfortunately that would be par for the course around here since softwoods only grow in the open. Told him his best bet would probably be cottonwood but finding a reliable source for logs is next to impossible here.
Alan
Since I can't saw without an engine, I decided to make new track scrapers. The old ones were pretty worn and weren't doing much. I had some 1" thick HDPE plastic that I cut in half at the bandsaw to make the pieces. It was trickier than I expected trying to get just right, but I think they will work well.
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we throw axes into end grain on cookies. we like elm, but if it dries out, they do not stick as well. we soak them and back in business! some guys use 2 x pine, but it does not last long. but they do not have a saw mill and big chain saws. 8)
Just caught up on 15 pages of this thread... been too busy lol The log yard is getting fuller by the day, and I can't keep up! Been dropping a lot of white oak lately that's being cleared and turned into farm ground. Also throwing the occasional box elder, hackberry or whatever else looks interesting on to the mill. Fun seeing what everybody else has been slicing up!
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I've got more walnut than I know what to do with, but I can't get ahold of any boxelder, and it grows right down the road from me by the river. I guess nobody has boxelder growing in their yard that they want to get rid of.
Quote from: RangeSawing on December 20, 2020, 08:37:55 AM
Here are a few from the last month or so, large birch slabs from one of those "junk" trees that a customer was going to burn. Some live edge 1 x shelves and some other misc projects.... oh and the pup!
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Handsome Lad or is she a Lass?? ???
The logs... eh, not so much :D
best
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Quote from: firefighter ontheside on December 23, 2020, 08:45:19 PM
I've got more walnut than I know what to do with, but I can't get ahold of any boxelder, and it grows right down the road from me by the river. I guess nobody has boxelder growing in their yard that they want to get rid of.
I can see a Marketplace or Craigslist ad titled, "Will trade walnut lumber for box elder logs"
Some white oak from earlier in the year
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Beautiful white oak!
@SawyerTed (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=38503) ooh, while I do want some boxelder, I'm too much of a walnut mizer to do that. I don't even like letting go of my slabs that I'm selling. I have this amazing 10' live edge slab that is dried and ready for sale. The last person that inquired about it asked If I could cut the edges straight. Whatttt!?
FFOTS, and the correct answer is "Yes". Once they buy it they can use it for firewood for all I care. ;)
I sawed up an old red oak log that had been on the ground at a friends farm for more than 4 years, Still had some good timber inside it
After Years Of Being Passed Over, This Log Will Surprise You, - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x8K6VMm-CY)
Nice to see that trees people think are garbage have some hidden treasures 👍
Nice!
I've got 3 big white oak logs that are in same or worse condition than that red oak. I got them from someone just down the road. They were from a big dead tree. I told my dad he could have them for firewood, but now I may have to mill them. I'm pretty sure they have some termites, but maybe only on the outer parts.
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Don't be concerned about the outside 'cause that ain't where the good stuff is. ;D
I love it. They don't call you Magicman for nothing 👍
Actually those Red Oak logs had lain overgrown with briers for almost exactly 4 years. Hurricane Katrina took the tree down on August 25, 2005, and I sawed it August 06, 2009. The lumber was used as finish/trim in the customer's new home.
It is common to saw logs that all of the sapwood has rotted off leaving only the heartwood. Just saw them as smaller logs. I also have to "slab deep" on some SYP logs that have lain too long. An 18" log may only be a 12". :-X
Sawing old logs is always a gamble. At the least expect stain and bugs. I try to discourage the practice, even though its good $$$$$'s for the sawyer.
A few days ago I got 1,200 bf of white oak in to saw. Big logs and one would have made prime lumber if fresh.
This one was the worse. Even had a little shake for added interest and possibly a crack from crappy felling.
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The cracks on the other end were just as interesting. Absolutly no way to saw around the cracks and all went in at least 8". A couple went in 2'.
PPB don't like white oak much but if the log lays long nuff they will munch on the sapwood. I saw plenty of evidence of munching. I don't even like having the waste slabs around as they will emerge on a nice spring day.
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That's true. But I've seen many old logs on here that looked pretty nice on the inside 😂
I've sawn plenty of logs that looked horrible on the outside. I've cut lots of walnut like that. All the sapwood rotted away, but still lots of good stuff in there. It just means I cut dimensional stuff instead of live edge. My reason for giving some of them to dad for firewood is that I've got other, nicer logs that I need to saw too. MIght as well get firewood out of them before they are useless.
What self respecting sawmill would want to saw a junky yard tree walnut log? I'm not a self respecting sawmill so I saw anything!
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That's not a hole in the log, that's a void. Holes subtract value but void's add value!
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Positioned and trimmed to fit between the guides....close to 32".
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Anybody notice a little color in the slabs?
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Wouldn't be a yard tree walnut without metal. Somehow the blade missed whatever is in there. Bet it took 20 years to get that nice black tone. Another $$$$ adding feature!
The next log up was smaller but had a really neat curve in it. Wish I had taken a picture or two of it.
Very nice Larry 👍
Nice, I like it.
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Reckon this Walnut log has metal in it?? ::) ??? smiley_headscratch
Work some magic 😊
I may be da Magicman but I ain't a magician nor can I do miracles. :D
Hopefully no more than 2 weeks and I'll have my new engine. Called WM and that was his guess. He told me to call back in a week and he would check again. I have so much trouble with people finding my house. GPS takes people to the wrong place 9 out of 10 times. No matter how much I tell them not to trust GPS they still go down my neighbors mile long driveway. My house is kinda close to his driveway as the crow flies, so I guess that's the problem. Anyway, I asked my wife to make me a decal to put on the mailbox. At least I can tell people to look for the orange sawblade.
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She did a good job 👍
Some red oak on the mill. It saws way better than the crappy azobe I was trying before... Nice straight cuts, although I have the feeling I could saw more with 1 blade. Maybe my sharpening skills should improve. Trial and error...
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It turns blue faster than I expected. What do you do to prevent blueing? Cover forks and sawbed with PU coating? And what about roller tables and beds of the edger?
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Does red oak grow there?
You can cover all steel surfaces but it doesn't normally go deep so planes out if you don't leave it in contact for a long time. Once dry that staining stops. Oxalic acid, "wood bleach" removes the stain. If you can't find it, look at the ingredients on some of the deck cleaning products, they often contain it.
Quote from: Don P on December 31, 2020, 08:00:18 AM
Does red oak grow there?
You can cover all steel surfaces but it doesn't normally go deep so planes out if you don't leave it in contact for a long time. Once dry that staining stops. Oxalic acid, "wood bleach" removes the stain. If you can't find it, look at the ingredients on some of the deck cleaning products, they often contain it.
Yes it grows over here, it is imported and called American Oak over here. There is white oak as well available. European oak is considered better, and more expensive.
Okay so it won't get worse when you stack it and let it dry? For my edger it won't be a problem.
I have one more question about the edger, how do you handle boards wit h one 'clean' side? When milling I get a few boards with one side can't. Thinking of making a adjustable rail/guide that is in line with one of the blades.
The blues are going around. Sawing some barn siding from standing dead EWP yesterday and today, hit some bad stain.
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Errr, uhhhhh, I mean highly valuable incredible quality Denim Pine. Yeah, that's the ticket!
Quote from: firefighter ontheside on December 30, 2020, 05:48:58 PM
Hopefully no more than 2 weeks and I'll have my new engine. Called WM and that was his guess. He told me to call back in a week and he would check again. I have so much trouble with people finding my house. GPS takes people to the wrong place 9 out of 10 times. No matter how much I tell them not to trust GPS they still go down my neighbors mile long driveway. My house is kinda close to his driveway as the crow flies, so I guess that's the problem. Anyway, I asked my wife to make me a decal to put on the mailbox. At least I can tell people to look for the orange sawblade.
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FFOTS:
Would another sawblade on the side of the mailbox help?
Your wife did very good with the decal.
Happy New Year to you and all FF members and their families.
GAB
good point, so it can be seen from down the road. or on top or hang underneath. maybe paint up an old blade. or a big gateway or sign by your drive.
I guess that it is 'bout time to close this 2020 topic out and start a new one for 2021. Personally our family is ready to kick 2020 in the butt log and see it go.
Sawing wise 2020 was a very good year. I consider myself as being part time but I still sawed 41 jobs for a total of 119,950bf. Four of these jobs yielded 44,299bf and a few others were close to the 10Mbf mark. There are 19 jobs on the list for 2021, most of which I will actually saw. One is a holdover and was on the 2020 list beginning last year. Those Red Oak logs are still there and who knows, I might saw them this next year...maybe not.
How about your recap and then lets bury 2020 with sawdust.
Once again last week I had a Trash Swapping Party with my farmer brother.
I brought him some sawdust, planer shavings, and used crankcase oil.
Frequently I bring back ends of haylage and corn sileage tubes that he stores cattle feed in.
I use these under wood piles to keep moisture away from the bottom of wood stacks and I use some to cover lumber.
I can also use pieces of these tubes under the sawmill, instead of a canvass, to make it easier to clean up.
My trash he uses as bedding and machinery oil, and I use his to protect some lumber. A win win situation.
As an FYI my brother uses 9' diameter tubes that are 250' long.
GAB
Thanks, I'll tell my wife you like her work. She makes this kind of stuff on her Cricut machine. It's really kind of amazing what she can do with it. She made me several new shirts with my business name on them for Christmas. She can make the stickers, but also iron on stuff. Another one on the side is probably a good idea. The left side is where most folks come from, so the fact that the right side is blocked by another mailbox is not a big deal. I have a lot of problems with people going down the wrong driveway. GPS takes people to my neighbor, because his driveway runs thru the woods behind me. I guess GPS system thinks that's my driveway. It's annoying for him to have all of my customers showing up at his place. I don't want to put up a real sign that says a business name, because I only want people to find me who I have talked to.
Well, 2020! It was an interesting year to say the least. I'm sure I'm not alone in that sentiment. I would say my sawing was down due to me breaking my tractor this summer and now my mill engine going bad. The good is that when we were on stay at home orders, I built a drying shed and dried my first 2 loads of lumber from air dried down to about 7%. That made for some nice sales of slabs. So, even though my sawing was down I made the most I've made from selling. That means next year should be a banner year for me. I'll get my new engine in a few weeks and be able to cut faster. Then I will add power feed and cut even more efficiently. Here's to a much better 2021 for myself and all of you!
Quote from: firefighter ontheside on December 31, 2020, 10:15:00 AMI have a lot of problems with people going down the wrong driveway.
Talk to your neighbor and ask if you can put up a sign about 20 or 30' down his driveway that says "Nope, wrong way to the sawmill!" :D
John, that may be the best suggestion I've had yet. I don't even need to get permission. My land borders on his driveway. I could put the sign on one of my trees.
Yes and nail the sign to the tree. There is nothing like job security!! :D
I'll nail the sign to a small tree and it will be my sons problem.
FFOTS,
Nice decal your wife made for the mailbox but I still don't know how you ironed it on there. :D Happy New Year.
Quote from: firefighter ontheside on December 31, 2020, 05:21:54 PM
I'll nail the sign to a small tree and it will be my sons problem.
Oh come now.
Use hardened screws you want them to remember you don't you.
GAB
Today was my last day of milling for 2020. Thank you to everyone on the forum for sharing and letting me share. This is a good place.
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Milling some Osage braces. here's some side wood.
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This one fooled me. I thought it was a walnut piece. The sapwood was all rotted away, but being Walnut I knew the heartwood should be fine. I then trimmed the end to find out it was Cherry! I milled it and the heartwood was perfectly fine! I got a 6" square piece of brace stock out of it.
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In 2020 I sawed the most wood I have sawn since getting my LT15go in 2014. This pile was about 65 percent of what I sawed this year. A lot of Ash 2x8 and 2x6, and some beams.
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