Wake Up Call for Green Energy

[mudfarmer]

The problem there is that you can't buy a new anything that you don't need a computer to diagnose, if we used to make EVs they would have been a lot simpler, you don't need all the fancy stuff we just put it in, just like we didn't need it for ICE either!! Look at an old electric forklift, that's an "EV" and it is so darn simple...

[SwampDonkey]

Depending on what your still driving. Bernstein in ND drives old stuff that was built well. Can fix out in a hay field if need be. He has an old M37 that is a skidder for firewood or going to town truck. :D He has about 5 working motorbikes he's rebuilt, or fixed and all 30 plus years old. Spare motors for most he can swap out. Been fixing an old VW bus now for awhile, needs body work and I think he already rebuilt the engine. It was second hand when he bought it and used it years ago. Decided to dig it out of the weeds a couple years ago to fix up. :D

[beenthere]

With our cold weather, lot of videos posted about the problems faced by the EV drivers.
But one of them
EV drivers struggle to keep batteries charged amid winter freeze - YouTube

[SwampDonkey]

The PEI electric school buses aren't getting any rave reviews.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prince-edward-island/pei-school-buses-electric-breakdown-education-1.7114185

[Old Greenhorn]

Well golly I am shocked!  Yeah, nobody saw that coming. Well yeah, nobody was watching either. Our district jumped on the political bandwagon and ordered a bunch of them. They recently cut the order by a bunch, getting nervous. We have the second largest school district, geographically, and that's a lot of ground to cover. Many of us felt this was not a good bandwagon to jump on...yet. Just ask NYC how their electric garbage truck fleet is working out.

[21incher]

A fellow about a mile from me bought an EV fall of 22 by Feb of 23 he traded it for an ice vehicle. Just keep the batteries warm while sitting ate a lot of electricity and snow with cold weather plus using heat and defrost cut the range by 75%. Apparently snow kills the braking regen. They are no good if you're in a cold climate. He just kept it long enough to claim the rebate.

[mudfarmer]

Neighbor stopped by the landing the other day, said there is a guy cutting up the road and hauling logs about 35miles with new F150 lightning. It's cold out (1*F right now), sounds like it is working ok.

[21incher]

His was a Hyundai and had about  a 250 mile range when warm. Could barely  make it to work  and back 40 miles away in snow. There aren't any charging stations out this way either.  When I bought  my Ranger about  20 months  ago the dealer had 2 f150 lightnings sitting out front  for demos. I asked the sales man about  getting one because the price wasn't  bad and most of our trips are short on sunny days. Really  sharp looking. He told me I will let you test drive one but won't sell you one at this point. The batteries were having serious problems at the time and he wanted me to talk to the service guy trained on them before even thinking about one. Plus my house needed a entrance  power upgrade for the charging requirements.  So glad I got the Ranger after  seeing the insurance rates for EVs. I think Ford looses big bucks on everyone they sell now.  My next truck will be a hybrid.  

[Gary_C]

From SwampDonkey.

"No amount of belief makes something a fact." James Randi

Also there is this old quote.

"History is a set of lies agreed upon."  Napoleon Bonaparte

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7uf-5h44aY

[SwampDonkey]

EV's brick and become abandonware

[sharp edge]

There nothing perfect on earth, you have to do the % thing. Just don't believe the Hollywood people.... they are professional liars.

                 se

[rusticretreater]

Fisker Electric Automobiles to file for bankruptcy. Tesla stock worst performing in the the S&P 500 having dropped 34.6% on the year.  With 2023 in the rearview mirror, analyst consensus now has 2024 Tesla earnings below 2023's level, signaling another year of negative growth for this growth stock.

[Ianab]

Tesla stock worst performing in the the S&P 500 having dropped 34.6% on the year. 

I suspect Tesla was overvalued, over hyped and over promised. Full Self Driving was supposed to be available a couple of years back, but it turns out that it's harder then Elon thought. Real world roads are a lot more unpredictable than a computer simulation or a test track. 

Despite that, about 25% of the cars sold last year (Worldwide) were Electric. We now have multiple new Chinese based car brands pushing out electric vehicles. I'm not convinced about their build quality, and they probably don't like snow or -20 ^deg , but we don't get those conditions. 

[WhitePineJunky]

There nothing perfect on earth, you have to do the % thing. Just don't believe the Hollywood people.... they are professional liars.

                se

I think they think they're  telling the truth but their popularity is used as a vehicle to push narratives, living in a bubble like they would no doubt flawed reality

[Stephen1]

My son who has a computer science degree, likes to say, "Siri can barely make a phone call for me, and you expect her to drive a car". 

[rusticretreater]

Yet another stark reminder how the greenies are going to ruin us all.  The Fighting Jays Solar Farm in Texas got hit by a hail storm and lost hundreds if not thousands of solar panels.  They look like bulletproof auto windows hit by machine gun fire.

Obama's administration threw a billion dollars down a hole trying to subsidize solar panels in the US(https://www.solarinsure.com/the-complete-list-of-solar-bankruptcies-and-business-closures).  The companies built fancy headquarters and later went bankrupt with the execs running off with millions of dollars.

So where do the panels come from now?  China. SMDH.