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Author Topic: Did I kill my three year old Longleaf pines?  (Read 889 times)

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Did I kill my three year old Longleaf pines?
« on: March 02, 2021, 11:42:52 AM »
Two weeks ago we burned 35 acres of 3 three old longleaf pines in Quitman county Ga. Terrain is extremely hilly and the fire burned a little hotter than we wanted. We tried to back fire as much as we could but it just didnt work. The fire really burned hot when it was running up steep inclines. So, from the look of things can someone offer an opinion about the damage done or not done on these, Thanks

 

 

 

 

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Re: Did I kill my three year old Longleaf pines?
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2021, 12:24:58 PM »
No experience with Longleaf, but that does not look good.  It's spring, so you should find out very soon whether there's going to be any growth.
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Re: Did I kill my three year old Longleaf pines?
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2021, 01:21:30 PM »
@WDH can help. 
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Re: Did I kill my three year old Longleaf pines?
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2021, 03:11:21 PM »
But he may be lacking in performing miracles.  You want me to send you some Sweetgum for the Memorial Services??   :-X
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Re: Did I kill my three year old Longleaf pines?
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2021, 03:38:16 PM »
Un sportsman like conduct, roughing the kicker, 10 board foot penalty there MM  :D
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Re: Did I kill my three year old Longleaf pines?
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2021, 03:48:16 PM »
And here I was, thinking the same thing!
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Re: Did I kill my three year old Longleaf pines?
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2021, 04:13:27 PM »
I had my first experience planting on a larger scale last spring. On a couple USfs plots in Vt. It is a lot of work!
Are those your personal trees? If so I feel your pain. I hope they aren't goners!
It takes a tremendous amount of love and foresight to want to plant trees on scale. I have no experience with long leaf so I wont say they are dead. Again i hope not!

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Re: Did I kill my three year old Longleaf pines?
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2021, 04:47:34 PM »
Look at the terminal bud.  You should be able to determine if the terminal bud is still alive.  I am going out on a longleaf limb and believe that there is a very good chance that they will be ok.  But, there is also a chance that they won't be.  I am still hopeful.  Longleaf are fire adapted and can withstand fire and heat that other pines cannot. 

You torched them pretty good, though  :).  
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Re: Did I kill my three year old Longleaf pines?
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2021, 05:15:07 PM »
Looks like it was a flash fire with very fine fuel (mostly grasses I'm guessing).  I would be surprised if they don't survive. 

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Re: Did I kill my three year old Longleaf pines?
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2021, 05:54:44 PM »
Wudman, I was feeling low until the last comment, yours. I hope you are right sir. It was a fast moving fire with grass as fuel. Thanks to all for the responses

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Re: Did I kill my three year old Longleaf pines?
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2021, 07:14:02 PM »
Tell us more! Part of a bigger plantation?  Do you have burn experience? Sounds like it? Did you use machines for cutting fire lines? How many on your crew?

I'm just a curious cat. No real fire experience on my end so no loaded questions!  

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Re: Did I kill my three year old Longleaf pines?
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2021, 11:00:47 PM »
I own 50 acres and 35 acres were hand planted with containerized longleaf by a crew. Have a fire lane that was cut when first planted. First burn for me, but asked lots of questions. I didnt anticipate the wind and the fire heating up and growing up the ridges, thats how I think it got too hot. 

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Re: Did I kill my three year old Longleaf pines?
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2021, 11:54:45 PM »
I have burned some longleaf and agree with Danny, they can look bad and still come through.  Burning in the grass stage was always an OMG thing, but managed to make it.  Only time will tell, good luck.
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Re: Did I kill my three year old Longleaf pines?
« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2021, 07:22:22 AM »
I'm not as optimistic as some of the other guys.  My professional firefighter opinion is that it got really darned hot and most of those will not survive.  Perhaps some that were spared the hottest temps and direct flame will pull thru.  Remember that heat rises, so fire will usually burned hotter and faster up a slope.  The heat dries and heats the fuel that is uphill from the fire.  When the fire arrives, that fuel is already primed to burn.  In the future try to burn smaller sections.  Start your fire at the top of a hill and make it burn down.  Pay attention to the direction the wind is coming from and aim to make your fire burn into the wind.  To do this you need to have a fire break to start at and be very dilligent about patrolling that break.  If the fire crosses the break, now the fire is burning with the wind.  I'm sorry this happened. 
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Re: Did I kill my three year old Longleaf pines?
« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2021, 07:39:36 AM »
The good thing is that although the needles did get scorched, they did not combust and burn off.  The needles most likely protected the terminal bud as they are supposed to. 
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Re: Did I kill my three year old Longleaf pines?
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2021, 08:04:42 AM »
I've driven by stands that looked really bad after a burn, then 6 months later looked just fine.

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Re: Did I kill my three year old Longleaf pines?
« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2021, 10:36:10 PM »
I'm hopeful that we will see a lot of these small trees live but longleaf pine are most susceptible to fire in the rocket stage (between grass stage and a tree).  Show an update after you know the results of your burn.  Good luck.  If it did not kill them, you should probably in good shape as far as brown spot needle blight is concerned.
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Re: Did I kill my three year old Longleaf pines?
« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2021, 05:31:28 PM »
Scrape the bark a little to see if the tissue below is still green. Green is good, brown is not.

Obviously I have no experience with longleaf pine but I agree with the comments that even though the needles died of heat, because they did not combust the stem is probably fine. The duration of the heat was very short.

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Re: Did I kill my three year old Longleaf pines?
« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2021, 01:12:52 AM »
If I may ask a dumb question:
Was it your intention for the fire to pass through this plantation, just at a lower intensity?
If so, what is the reasoning/goal? To remove the grasses and free up water? light? resources for your pines? Or is there some other purpose?

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Re: Did I kill my three year old Longleaf pines?
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2021, 12:48:38 PM »
How are the pines? Any signs of life?


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