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I got a skidder Tree Farmer C4D
« on: September 01, 2021, 08:06:30 PM »
I got a skidder Tree Farmer C4D, not sure what year as the data plate is missing. Machine doesn't run. Electric fuel pump not working so I installed a new one and blead up to the injector pump. Tried bleeding the pump but nothing is coming out. I suspect the pump needs rebuilding or replaced but thought I would seek advice here 1st.






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Re: I got a skidder Tree Farmer C4D
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2021, 08:14:41 PM »
if it's a 353 detroit check to make sure the emergency shut off isn't pulled or tripped
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Re: I got a skidder Tree Farmer C4D
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2021, 08:25:32 PM »
Its a ford diesel but omg I bet you are right and I should have known to check that. Thanks I will check it in the morning.

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Re: I got a skidder Tree Farmer C4D
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2021, 10:21:43 PM »
post a picture or type out the info on the injector pump tag and we can be a lot more helpful. 
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Re: I got a skidder Tree Farmer C4D
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2021, 12:07:17 AM »
As Mike B has mentioned in another post check for a tiny fuel filter in the banjo at the fuel pump if there is such a fitting, I had one on my  D3 cat an that was a bugger figure out and find.

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Re: I got a skidder Tree Farmer C4D
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2021, 09:22:13 AM »
hidden rock catchers, broken transfer pump springs, delaminated internal fuel lines and in dodge's case, melted fuel heater pins will all cause you to chase your tail for quite a while until you know about them.  
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Re: I got a skidder Tree Farmer C4D
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2021, 12:16:02 PM »
Do you know about them ?

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Re: I got a skidder Tree Farmer C4D
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2021, 01:23:15 PM »
i do now. own enough broken machinery and i guarantee you'll get the education you never asked for! 
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Re: I got a skidder Tree Farmer C4D
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2021, 06:17:20 PM »
So can you help ?

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Re: I got a skidder Tree Farmer C4D
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2021, 10:28:03 PM »
Id be glad to try but i dont know what injection pump you have, thats why i asked.  
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Re: I got a skidder Tree Farmer C4D
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2021, 03:31:10 AM »
Simms. I took a couple output lines off separately and turned the motor over. Each one spit out a small bit of fuel which only shot up a few inches. 

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Re: I got a skidder Tree Farmer C4D
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2021, 04:17:14 AM »
Is there a shutoff valve on the fuel tank?
I have a Ford tractor with a Simms. Had loss of power, then stall.
During trouble shooting including filter change, bleeding filter, injection pump, and injectors, I was concerned it was a faulty pump.
 Then I went back over things and realized it was barely dribbling fuel out of the tank. Put some compressed air to that line and after a quick blast the fuel flow was strong and steady. Bled again and ran great.


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Re: I got a skidder Tree Farmer C4D
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2021, 08:12:35 AM »
Is there a shutoff valve on the fuel tank?
I have a Ford tractor with a Simms. Had loss of power, then stall.
During trouble shooting including filter change, bleeding filter, injection pump, and injectors, I was concerned it was a faulty pump.
 Then I went back over things and realized it was barely dribbling fuel out of the tank. Put some compressed air to that line and after a quick blast the fuel flow was strong and steady. Bled again and ran great.
I would suggest look at all the simple things first.

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Re: I got a skidder Tree Farmer C4D
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2021, 10:21:44 AM »
I have never heard of simms, a quick search makes me think this is a CAV type pump which i dont have any internal experience on.  If its got any fuel at all coming out the high pressure delivery side i consider that a sign of hope.  I would put the pipes back on the pump, manually fill them with diesel using a clean syringe then loosely put them on the injector and prime again until solid fuel squirts out and slowly snug them on while cranking.  


If you are lucky it will start farting to life as the injection pipes get full of fuel.  These mechanical injection systems are basically hydraulic setups with no ability to purge air.  So if youve got air in the hardpipe it compresses and prevents the line pressure from achieving the threshold where the injector pintle is hydraulically unseated to fire in its shot of fuel through the discharge nozzle.

Dont let the starter get too hot and if its slow to crank file up all your copper lug connections from batt to starter on both sides,+ and -

If it doesnt have a negative wire from battery - to starter bolt you should add one.
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Re: I got a skidder Tree Farmer C4D
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2021, 07:45:42 AM »
I have never heard of simms, a quick search makes me think this is a CAV type pump 
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Re: I got a skidder Tree Farmer C4D
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2021, 09:26:07 AM »
My fathers old C4D had a 254 ford industrial motor with a simms pump. The Simms pumps are great but you cannot have any air in the lines. there are two bleed screws that are about 3 inches apart on the horizontal about an inch down from the top., just crack each and pump the hand pump that is located near the ring gear for starter. When you get all the air out push the shut off in to the run position hold fuel peddle to the floor and push in on where the shut off cable connects to the fuel pump. This will double the fuel and make it much easier to start. if the engine stalls on startup you will have to repeat the procedure. Also if the machine has set for awhile you should change the oil in the injection pump there is a fill plug near the front of the pump that takes a 3/4 wrench a drain plug on the bottom that takes a 1/2 wrench and a fill level plug thats about half way up on the pump that takes a 1/2 wrench . drain oil and fill till it comes to the fill level. the oil in the injection pump gets diluted with diesel fuel over time.

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Re: I got a skidder Tree Farmer C4D
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2021, 10:41:26 AM »
No diesel can tolerate air in the lines. As an aside, I think that I would be a contender for "worlds fastest" for cracking lines open on a 906 Mercedes engine and getting it fired up when ran out of fuel. Lots of practice 😁
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Re: I got a skidder Tree Farmer C4D
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2021, 01:14:32 PM »
which ford desel is it   

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Re: I got a skidder Tree Farmer C4D
« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2021, 09:36:08 PM »
Ford 2700 series.

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