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Anyone familar with a Ford 4 Cylinder industrial diesel ?
« on: October 18, 2014, 12:14:26 AM »
Figured I'd post this under a new topic to broden my chance of getting info related to my question. Want to order a couple things for my C4D and I cant figure out EXACTLY what engine is in it. It has no data plate on the engine ANYWHERE  ???
I was told it is a Ford Industrial 4 Cylinder engine, It is a diesel..
Google tells me nothing of this engine, I am not familar with it and neither are any of my buddys.. Any info related to it is much appreciated.
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Re: Anyone familar with a Ford 4 Cylinder industrial diesel ?
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2014, 01:21:22 AM »
Try English ford diesel.
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Re: Anyone familar with a Ford 4 Cylinder industrial diesel ?
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2014, 04:06:48 AM »
Have one in my c4.
Ford 2700 series I bet.
Should have that on the block somewhere and then like 2701e or something.
Have rebuild manuals online.

Ford lehman is the marine version.

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Re: Anyone familar with a Ford 4 Cylinder industrial diesel ?
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2014, 06:15:38 AM »
I have one in one of my old Timberjacks.  It is either a 172" diesel or the english 220".  They are the same motors that came out of the old Ford tractors 801 model.  Mine is very good on fuel but is a bear to start in the winter.  If you have no ID tags then the only way to tell which size you have is to measure the piston diameter.  I believe that the 172" has 3.8" pistons and the 220" has around 4.25" pistons.  I not 100% sure on that, but I know I'm in the ballpark.

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Re: Anyone familar with a Ford 4 Cylinder industrial diesel ?
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2014, 06:37:15 AM »
It could be a Dorset or Dover diesel. If it is I believe they were 254 cubic inch. Yea, they were English Ford diesels. There should be numbers stamped on the head or block. I believe they are on the same side as the injector pump which should be a Simms. It will even have a decompressor level on it for cold starts.

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Re: Anyone familar with a Ford 4 Cylinder industrial diesel ?
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2014, 06:28:56 PM »
A close up picture always helps. I am sure somebody will recognize it and and be able to answer your question.
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« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2014, 06:47:42 PM »
They are pretty common around here, see a lot of them driving irrigation pumps and the like, and most Ford tractors have one. I had a pair of Ford Lehman's in a boat I had at one stage too.
Good engines. Simple, easy to maintain and repair, last forever, run on the smell of an oily rag. Kinda like a perkins but more reliable: ie this is as KISS as it gets. I've seen four common variants - the four cylinder, the 6 cylinder, and turbo versions of both. The four would be at around 80HP, the 6 around 120Hp or so. There is some interchangability in parts between Dorsets, Dovers, and the marine Lehmans (cranks, cams, and con rods) but some differeneces too so you need to figure out what you have to get the right bits.

Heres what I can tell you. Beyond the obvious things like how many cylinders and is it turboed there should be a plate on the tappet cover identifying which model it is but if it's gone then there are other ways to tell what it is. Have a look on the left hand side (from the back of the engine) near the starter motor. There you will find the block casting number which should be around 7/8ths high or so. From there its possible to find out what month of what year the engine left whatever plant it was built in. Don't take these to your local ford dealer because chances are they'll be clueless to any serial numbers built outside the USA... but find a New Holland tractor guy and he should be able to help, or know someone who can.
Also look to see if its got a CAV or Simms fuel pump because that can be an indicator.
If in doubt have a look at the timing gears - dovers will be straight cut, dorsets are angle cut.

If you can come back with more info based on this I can see what I can find out for you. I don't get here often though so probably shoot me a PM so I don't forget.




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Re: Anyone familar with a Ford 4 Cylinder industrial diesel ?
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2014, 09:06:58 PM »
in 1991 ford sold the ford farm tractor biz along with new holland to iveco fiat. now its cnh......case new holland. good luck finding parts you will need it. i bought engine parts for a new holland iveco last spring. it wasnt easy. i ended up contacting the local fpt......iveco fiat factory rep and he got me the part numbers. them i went to the new holland dealer and ordered them

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« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2014, 09:20:10 PM »
in 1991 ford sold the ford farm tractor biz along with new holland to iveco fiat. now its cnh......case new holland. good luck finding parts you will need it. i bought engine parts for a new holland iveco last spring. it wasnt easy. i ended up contacting the local fpt......iveco fiat factory rep and he got me the part numbers. them i went to the new holland dealer and ordered them
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Re: Anyone familar with a Ford 4 Cylinder industrial diesel ?
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2014, 09:26:21 PM »
There was another Ford industrial engine called the BSD 444T that was used in 500 series Valmet forestry equipment. That engine I believe was made in Brazil and fell victim to the emission regs. Parts are real hard to come by other than wear parts should be readily available.

Roland Machinery in Escanaba, MI might have some parts and I have a complete one sitting down by the shed. Last time it ran, it sucked a little water into the intake as it was going down and lost power. Didn't go clear under but definately got water in the intake.

I've even got a complete parts breakdown in my old Valmet parts book.

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Re: Anyone familar with a Ford 4 Cylinder industrial diesel ?
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2014, 09:58:48 PM »
There's a farm equipment dealer in Abingdon, VA that advertises that they have the LARGEST SELECTION IN THE SOUTHEAST OF FORD TRACTOR PARTS NEW "OLD" STOCK. Name of place is Abingdon Equipment Co. Phone number is (276) 628-2372 and they have a webpage.

Not that you would just never write them a bad check. Someone did, and according to the newspaper, one of the owners saw the guy out driving. Started chasing him and got his pistol out and then started shooting at him. He was convicted and I think he gets to pull his jail time on weekends.
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« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2014, 12:42:50 AM »
The only block casting numbers I can see is 703F 6015AAA and a ford stamp. It does have the SIMS injection pump.
I'm diffing through alot of info on the web right now trying to figure out what it is...
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« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2014, 01:34:04 AM »
Update,

I found the head casting numbers reading .... 2701E 6050... and from what I'm reading it is actually the lihmen marine version  ??? Do's this sound right ?

So block casting numbers are   T2  703F 6015AAA  and Head casting numbers are 2701E 6050...
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Re: Anyone familar with a Ford 4 Cylinder industrial diesel ?
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2014, 03:48:03 AM »
Update,

I found the head casting numbers reading .... 2701E 6050... and from what I'm reading it is actually the lihmen marine version  ??? Do's this sound right ?

So block casting numbers are   T2  703F 6015AAA  and Head casting numbers are 2701E 6050...

haha, I got the model right  ;D

that link above to the manual will give you the details.
Beyond that im having to hunt down a second hand one currently for the manifold to redo the exhaust on my one without welding it all together?!

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« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2014, 07:38:03 AM »

haha, I got the model right  ;D

that link above to the manual will give you the details.
Beyond that im having to hunt down a second hand one currently for the manifold to redo the exhaust on my one without welding it all together?!

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if you have no luck let me know and I'll see what I can find here - should be plenty of old Ford 5000's lying in tractor wreckers yards hereabouts and I could make a few calls if you needed.
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« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2014, 07:50:29 AM »
Update,

I found the head casting numbers reading .... 2701E 6050... and from what I'm reading it is actually the lihmen marine version  ??? Do's this sound right ?

So block casting numbers are   T2  703F 6015AAA  and Head casting numbers are 2701E 6050...

2701's are a Dorset industrial. The Lehman is a marine version of the same engine - different govenor settings on the pump, flat sump so it sits low in the bilges on a boat, and a heat exchanger cooling system  - but the block and most the componentry would be the same. It should not be that hard to get parts for that engine at all, meaning that with a little bit of google and a few emails you'll just about surely find what you're after and probably new stock at that. There are a hell of a lot of those engines in tractors that are still working so yah... parts shouldn't be that difficult to get provided you expect to pay a little freight.

Now if anyone knows where to get a bonded harmonic balance to fit a Leyland UE600 heavy industrial anywhere in the world....
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« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2014, 03:53:44 PM »
So the 2701E 5060 numbers on the head are the engine model number ?? I figured the numbers on the block would be the engine model number...
I have already got a repair manual for the 2701E Dorset so if this is correct I'm good to go..
I see there are a ton of parts availible for it as well..

Thank you everyone for your help, It is really appreciated.
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« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2021, 08:39:56 PM »
So the 2701E 5060 numbers on the head are the engine model number ?? I figured the numbers on the block would be the engine model number...
I have already got a repair manual for the 2701E Dorset so if this is correct I'm good to go..
I see there are a ton of parts availible for it as well..

Thank you everyone for your help, It is really appreciated.
I have the same motor, where did you get that manual ?

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Re: Anyone familar with a Ford 4 Cylinder industrial diesel ?
« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2021, 06:54:49 PM »
       I have a 2711 E , 4 cyl British Ford in a Compair Compressor, I've had good luck with it , even toying with the idea of putting one into a Dodge M37, we'll see.   On a Simms fuel pump one thing to watch is it has it's own oil supply , separate from the engine.
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« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2021, 08:34:48 AM »
Help please, I am having a problem removing the oil pan on my ford 2701e. Seems to hang up on the flywheel?

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« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2021, 08:27:54 AM »
Help please, I am having a problem removing the oil pan on my ford 2701e. Seems to hang up on the flywheel?
Stupid English men, you have to pull the flywheel to be able to remove the oil pan. What a joke!


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