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I started the original Whatcha Sawin' ?? topic with this picture back in 2014. Wow, how many of our logs have become lumber and sawdust in the past 6 years??
For my sawing, this next year is starting off with 19 sawing jobs on the list. Some of these customers really wanted it done this year but I decided to "schedule some vacation" and take a few weeks off.
So the question is: Whatcha Sawin' 2021 ??
2020 was shaky over the spring and summer, but picked up dramatically in September, so now I ended up almost exactly same revenue as 2019.
For 2021, I have 3 jobs scheduled and two who waiting for me to give them dates.
Then a dozen or so where we are going back and forth asking for information.
3/4 of those are probably still learning that logs are heavy, lumber is heavy, and wood has to be dried. :) :)
So things just keep rolling forward pretty much as usual.
After 2 week of equipment troubles and a bad snow storm.
I'm finally back milling.
2020 was the most lumber i have ever sawn.
I hope to better that in 2021.
In 2021 I plan to promote my sawmill business more. This year I did not create a single ad to promote people bringing me their logs to saw. I just didn't want a lot of strangers coming to my place, especially early in the pandemic. I did have a few repeat customers and word of mouth folks bring their logs, but I didn't let them stay to help. If my production rate goes up like I hope it does, I will raise my hourly rate.
Aside from that, I want to get a lot of already cut lumber into the kiln and sold. I've got a lot of logs that need to be made into lumber before they become bug food. I think my next major goal would be figuring out some way to store dried lumber. Perhaps along the lines of Doc's container. I expect 2021 will be a safer time to have customers coming to my place.
2020 had a split personality for me. Sometimes I had plenty of jobs and logs to saw. Sometimes things were very quiet. I sawed more lumber this year as well. The last few months since I adjusted my business plan have been more profitable.
For 2021 I have seven portable jobs scheduled already. I have a handful of standing orders with purchase orders in hand for first quarter 2021. There's a market I've got my foot into the door, I hope will expand.
2020 was a mixed bag. Told my largest customer to stick it where the sun dont shine early in the year, then COVID had me second guessing that before it turned into a year of high retail demand, then picked up the nightmare dream job at the finish.
2021 starts with my own spec work backlogged, my regular guys all ticking away steadily, 1 contract sawing job in hand but I'm 45 days behind schedule on it, and another thats almost surely going to go. I have no idea how I'm going to do this... I dont have the equipment I need, I dont have the necessary skilled manpower for the equipment, I'm cash poor because I've been getting hammered with breakdowns, I don't trust any of these guys beyond the letter of the contracts. And I kinda need all three - 2 big multi year contract cutting orders plus my established business - to balance it all out so any one leg can fall and I'll make out. But I guess if it was easy anyone could do it.
It's January 01 here so I want to wish each and every one of you a fantastic 2021, and thank you for all the insights you've shared through 2020.
John
2020 was a great year for me, I have 3 custom saw jobs sitting in the yard for next year, the 3 drying sheds are full of customers wood waiting for the kiln, I have 2 bundles of my own sawn, walnut, spalted maple waiting to go in the kiln. I am keeping things running just like that, just enough for me. I am probably in a position to purchse another kiln, but I would need to hire someone and then I would have an extra head ache I don't really want at my age. I am also not a believer tht this economy will keep on rolling. There is a lot of Government money rolling around, driving up prices and supplies. It has to end and the person with the cash wins.
I'm gonna saw stuff. Just a little more than I did in 2020.
hugs, Brandi
Looking at my sawing job list, it appears that I just might start off with a bang. First up will be a 70 mile road trip ~200 SYP & Oak log job that I will start Monday. This is a repeat customer.
There are 5 other quite large jobs that are 90-150 miles away and two of them are repeat customers. That leaves 13 more small 1-2 day jobs.
I have 25 new blades, ~15-20 resharps, and 10 at ReSharp so I should be ahead of the curve on the ReSharp backlog. I received two 1½ X 7/39 (Turbos) to try but there will not be an opportunity to experiment any time soon. Just sawing um and leaving um. ;D
I'm almost embarrassed to post when I look at the kind of number the MM posted for last year but, in spite of all the setbacks, I sawed a little more in 2020 than my previous best year but well over double the last 2 years.
This time of year is always slow because of the cold and mud from rain and melting snow so I scheduled cataract surgery 11 January and I am sure I will be limited in what I can do for a few weeks.
I have a couple of mobile jobs in the works where I did a site visit and am just waiting on the customer to get his trees cut down and logs assembled on site. Some of those will pan out, some will not if history repeats itself.
I have plans to build another bay on to my last storage shed I built for an additional 10X12 covered storage area which is always in short supply. No other real big plans for expansion at this time.
Happy New Year to all and stay safe out there.
Quote from: Magicman on January 01, 2021, 08:38:32 AM
Looking at my sawing job list, it appears that I just might start off with a bang. First up will be a 70 mile road trip ~200 SYP & Oak log job that I will start Monday. This is a repeat customer.
There are 5 other quite large jobs that are 90-150 miles away and two of them are repeat customers. That leaves 13 more small 1-2 day jobs.
I have 25 new blades, ~15-20 resharps, and 10 at ReSharp so I should be ahead of the curve on the ReSharp backlog. I received two 1½ X 7/39 (Turbos) to try but there will not be an opportunity to experiment any time soon. Just sawing um and leaving um. ;D
Lynn,
Let us know how the blades do, please. Happy New Year.
hugs, Brandi
This was actually my last logs of 2020 and I finished them up today, a small rainbow poplar and a good size cherry,
This Log Will Blow You Away, Massive Cherry On The Wood-Mizer - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEf4N0PrXko&t=271s)
I will Brandi but for now I will be using my old standby 1¼" X T7°'s.
I have been idling for a few weeks so this morning I was surprised at how much "getting ready" I had to do. Fill the Diesel cans, mix chainsaw gas and fill my traveling gas cans, fill my chainsaw bar oil can, fold blades and fill my "magic blade can" & backseat box with blades, replenish the wire brush box, fill my blade lube jugs with antifreeze mix, and fill my ATF jugs. Guess that I had better get my lunch box out too. ::)
I was running and gunning in November and the first of December so tomorrow morning I will change the sawmill engine oil and replace the oil and fuel filters. I normally do oil changes, etc. at 250 hours, but this time it has been 300. Not a problem but it will be done before I saw again. Scheduled ~200 log 70 mile road trip starting Monday.
Quote from: Magicman on December 31, 2020, 10:05:41 AM
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I started the original Whatcha Sawin' ?? topic with this picture back in 2014. Wow, how many of our logs have become lumber and sawdust in the past 6 years??
For my sawing, this next year is starting off with 19 sawing jobs on the list. Some of these customers really wanted it done this year but I decided to "schedule some vacation" and take a few weeks off.
So the question is: Whatcha Sawin' 2021 ??
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You are the busiest sawyer I know and a inspiration to an old (60) guy like me. Enjoy a Happy Healthy New Year.
Quote from: 123maxbars on January 01, 2021, 03:25:58 PM
This was actually my last logs of 2020 and I finished them up today, a small rainbow poplar and a good size cherry,
This Log Will Blow You Away, Massive Cherry On The Wood-Mizer - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEf4N0PrXko&t=271s)
Happy and Healthy New Year to you, your wife, Bruno and the cats and Dogs.
Rich
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on January 01, 2021, 09:02:33 AM
I'm almost embarrassed to post when I look at the kind of number the MM posted for last year but, in spite of all the setbacks, I sawed a little more in 2020 than my previous best year but well over double the last 2 years.
This time of year is always slow because of the cold and mud from rain and melting snow so I scheduled cataract surgery 11 January and I am sure I will be limited in what I can do for a few weeks.
I have a couple of mobile jobs in the works where I did a site visit and am just waiting on the customer to get his trees cut down and logs assembled on site. Some of those will pan out, some will not if history repeats itself.
I have plans to build another bay on to my last storage shed I built for an additional 10X12 covered storage area which is always in short supply. No other real big plans for expansion at this time.
Happy New Year to all and stay safe out there.
Happy Healthy New Year, Howard. Good luck with the eye surgery.
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I plan on making some Lap siding in 2021 for a 10X12 shed that I am going to use for a planer and a cut to length station. I was going to buy a new one but got lucky and this one was on a post on the Wood-Mizer F.B. page yesterday. I drove a 120 miles to Illion, N.Y. to pick it up this morning. Met another nice guy with a sawmill. Happy New Year to all of you.
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Another F.B. Marketplace find. No more lifting heavy slabs. A 80 mile road trip to P.A. Put a few miles on the Cummins this week...
Lucky boy. Nice treasure
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Quote from: Magicman on December 31, 2020, 10:05:41 AM
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I started the original Whatcha Sawin' ?? topic with this picture back in 2014. Wow, how many of our logs have become lumber and sawdust in the past 6 years??
For my sawing, this next year is starting off with 19 sawing jobs on the list. Some of these customers really wanted it done this year but I decided to "schedule some vacation" and take a few weeks off.
So the question is: Whatcha Sawin' 2021 ??
I
You are the busiest sawyer I know and a inspiration to an old (60) guy like me. Enjoy a Happy Healthy New Year.
Yes indeed. Your a Stud in my book Magicman. Thanks for all your input and wisdom 👍
I haven't started my sawmill in 2021 yet, but I did set and sharpen enough blades to do me for a while when I get back to sawing next week. 8)
2020 was a good growing year for D&S Sawmill Services and I'm proud of my accomplishments this year. What I do is small potatoes to what so many of you guys do but that's ok with me. I still work a full time job as a construction superintendent for one of the larger building contractors in Nebraska, so my sawing business is part time mainly just weekends for now. I completed 26 custom sawing jobs durning the 2020 season and increased the companies gross sales 2 1/2 times over my first official year in business (2019). I've begun to acquire some satisfied repeat clients, and met some great people with at least one similar interest along the way. I can honestly say that I sincerely enjoy my days that are spent traveling to new locations and custom sawing. I'm looking forward to 2021 and am currently spending a little time here in January sawing some materials for future sales. 2021 has also brought with it a rate increase because simply put, I've been told I'm not charging enough for the yield I regularly produce. 2021 is also the year I'm going to make it a priority to get my first solar kiln built and into production. This could be a game changer in my material sales market but will also require more time on my part to keep it operating.
John and I brought home a large butt log form a lightning killed, laurel oak that I dropped earlier in the week for an 82 year old neighbor. We also brought a few pecan logs home from my uncle's place today. We sawed one and went through three blades in attempts to get it to cut flat. We determined that one of us needs to be spraying diesel on the bottom of the blade or configure a blade lube system that cleans both sides of the blade. Sawing with a south wind like we had today is dang near torture.
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laurel oak. We may saw the pecan butt log tomorrow.
Kyle,
smiley_devil
Yes, sir, but sometimes the potential reward is worth the trouble and aggravation. We may try to saw the butt log today. We cut the slabs yesterday at 2 1/2" thick (@WDH) in order to hopefully have enough to work with to flatten them after drying. We were about maxed out on width while using the backstops- does sawing at this thickness seem like a sound plan?
The last week of 2020 was my best yet. 3 days of sawing on 2 mobile jobs for a total of 3800 feet.All SYP. Went back to the 2nd customer yesterday and sawed a little over 1200. Going back today to saw about 10 more logs that we didn't get to yesterday. At both places the customers had a Lull and 2 laborers for off bearing.
Hopefully 2021 will bring my power feed and power head early in the year. Been waiting for it since October. I don't mind hard work, but as busy as I've been lately I could sure use it.
Kyle, I saw the smiley_devil at 2 3/8" thick and can get almost every slab flat at 1.75" and some to 2" after kiln drying, so with pecan, you need 1/2" of green thickness over your target dried and planed thickness.
Thanks for the guidance (we normally saw slabs at 2 3/8 but went ahead and cut these at 2 1/2"). This tree has proven to be particularly obstreperous. We sawed and stacked the butt log this morning. If we can get this to dry it should be pretty nice.
On another note. While attempting to load the pecan log we sawed yesterday afternoon I was inspired to disassemble one of my homemade canthooks and cobble up a Magic Hook. It worked well when hooked to the log clamp to keep the log from rolling off of the loading arms.
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Absolutely!!
I feel like Tom Sawyer! I had a new customer come by yesterday who wanted 220 linear ft of 4/4 hemlock which I did not have. He looked through what I had and decided he'd use Red Oak instead and it looked like I had just about enough to fill his order. He called this afternoon that he was on his way and about an hour out so I hooked the 5X8 trailer to the 4 wheeler and pulled out all the 1X10 & 1X12 RO 4/4 boards I had in stock. Turned out I had 210 linear ft. I had one 2 y/o RO log left on the lot. I tried to pick it up and move it but it but was way too heavy for my little FEL. About the time I decided to go get a cable and pull it out of the corner where it was staged the customer and his brother pulled up. I told them the situation and offered to substitute ash or hickory for the remaining 10' of 1X10 or I'd go cut my last 12' RO and get it out of that. He preferred that as he really wanted longer boards and said he would buy all the 1X10s I could get out of the log. He asked if I could have it next week and I told him I'd saw it right now if he had a few minutes and they did so they went and watched go me out in the pasture, set the mill to the travel position, hook it to the ATV and drive to the front lot where the log was. I set up the mill which took 5-6 minutes then hooked a 1/4" cable to the log and backed John up to it, the customer hooked it to the ball on the blade and I dragged it 30'or so to the mill. The 2 brothers grabbed the cant hooks and finally got it rolled over and I nudged it the rest of the way on the arms with my fork. I put a fresh 4* DH blade on the mill and started it then lifted the log on the arms and moved it against the side supports, clamped and raised the small end and made several deep cuts to cut the flare off the big end and get to the solid heart wood. We were all wondering a bit if I was going to get enough heart wood to make 1X10's but I guess the solid heart must have been about 12-13 inches square. I squared up a 10" thick cant and started sawing finished boards and the brothers off loaded on the forks of John. I handed them a 12" drywall knife and they scraped the fresh sawdust off. When the cant got down to about 5" I stopped and stood 5 flitches up and edged them off to 10". They had some runout on them so I told them I'd call them 10' long as they would easily trim to that so they were happy. At the end we got 10-12' 1X10's and 5 10' 1X10's for 170 running ft. That was just about all John could handle but I got them over to his trailer and we slid them off and I went and got him 5 more 1X10's off the trailer to finish his order. About 183 bf. The customer was happy and they thanked me profusely for letting them watch and be part of the sawing process and said "Every time I look at that wall I will remember helping saw the log into boards." I think they were happier getting to load lumber than actually getting the boards he needed. Maybe I need to just offer sawmill classes and charge people to come help like Eustace Conway (Mountain Man TV series) does with his apprentices and such.
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Fresh cut 12' 1X10s on left and 5-previously cut 10' 1X10's on the right. I did not have my camera when I started sawing the log but grabbed it for this "Happy Customer" picture. After the customer left I went out and edged the 3 remaining >10" flitches on the mill. Total run hours was .9 hours and I don't think I had but about a quart of gas in the tank and all my cans are empty by design and pending a Tuesday gas run to the next county where it is about $.25/gallon cheaper when I go see the tooth fairy.
The most surprising and rewarding part was the customer's thanking me for letting them help.
I think that just was a little manafestation of the sawdust addiction showing itself. You did them a service by making massive amounts of man glitter and letting them play in it a little. I bet they come back and they will surely tell their friends, who knows you may have to set up some bleachers for your classses.
Well, I think part of the surprise to them was how fast and easy it was to completely pack up the mill and move it to a totally new location and set up and be sawing in such a short amount of time and with no more effort than they saw. They were also impressed that a mill that size could be moved with an ATV. We probably used less than an hour from the time they gave me the go-ahead till the time the log was sawed and we slid the lumber off the forks on to their trailer. And for the most part the log did return some really pretty boards. I pointed out the quarter sawed portions of the boards with the nice fleck.
Sawing is all about selling yourself and showing/letting the customer know that you are the best sawyer available.
Just tell um that if you had to call the best sawyer in the state....you would dial your own number.
Going to take a good long time for those fresh sawn red oak boards to dry....
We discussed that a little and I hope he lets them dry enough. I suggested he might put a fan on them but not too much heat at first. He is laying them parallel with "chinking" made by a different color board behind them so that gives him some room for shrinkage. I told him we cut some WO 1/2"X6" and my son nailed them up on his basement wall and they each shrunk what looked like 1/2" on each side.
Danny,
Does the fact this log has been down 2 years have much effect on how much more they will dry compared to a fresh cut Red Oak cut to the same size boards. The sap wood was total punk on this log and only the heart wood was left solid.
The log might have dried some but the heartwood will still be quite wet. As you know, you can get 10% shrinkage on flatsawn oak and with 10" boards that could amount to 3/4 of an inch. If used inside, it would be best to factor in that shrinkage when installing so the gap formed from shrinkage will match the air dried boards which are also going to shrink some too, but a good bit less than the fresh sawn boards.
He might be best served to employ a shrinkage calculator to gauge how to install the boards with some boards wetter and some boards drier. Kinda like installing a deck with treated SYP. If you want a gap between the boards, butt the wet treated boards up to each other and you will get your gap when the boards dry to equilibrium.
Danny,
Thanks. I think he is expecting that. I had some 1X10's in stock that had been stacked and sir drying a year or so and they had dried to about 9.5" or so, give or take a fudge so that helps give him an idea.
The customer called me back to ask me to save the other 4 -10' 1X10's I had originally pulled from stock and he said he'd be over this weekend unless he could squeeze in a trip during the week. I told him I was going to my dentist tomorrow who is only a couple miles from his home so he jumped all over that. They are loaded on my P/U and he will meet me at my 9:00 am appointment. Sometimes a plan actually comes together.
Red pine 4x6x12, 4x4x12, 6x6x8, 2x10x12 was today's sawing. Yesterday was sunny and around 37° beautiful winter day. Today cloudy but still warm at 37°. If it stays like this all winter I will be happy.
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Looks good Bruno. We are enjoying a fairly moderate winter so far here in the NY Catskills also.
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I will be sawing some decent Hemlock and Pine but I have to get them out first.
So far I knocked a front tire off the rim and if you look close there is only one fork on the tractor. Caught it under a root and ripped it off. Needed a new tire anyway the one that was on there was dry checked bad, I had slime in it but it probably was low on air when the bead broke. Spent Saturday morning welding the fork back on. No one said logging was easy. Ha!
I have 17 acres to log near the house,it was one of the reasons I started sawing. A lot of the trees are beyond mature and started to be blown over. The woodlot definitely needs some cleaning up. The area in the photo is going to be a new 100 yard + rifle range so I am killing to birds with one stone.
Just today I finished sawing up this Red Maple that was a blow-over from hurricane Sally. It was the first ever Maple I have sawn.
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The yield wasn't as much as I was expecting, lots of irregularity in the shape of the log. I got about (7)1x9s, (3)1x6s and a handful of 1x4s. There was ambrosia spotting throughout the log and it had a rotten spot on the trunk end. I still have a few 1x3s to cut from the piece still on the mill after I cut off the rotten end. It will be interesting to see what it looks like after drying!
Well it's good to see your smiling face my friend. Looks like that Maple is also smiling. :)
I started a ~200 log 74 mile road trip today. The SYP logs are staged at two different locations about 5 miles apart. I stopped and looked at this site before proceeding to the second. After I finish it I will move the sawmill here and the customer will bring the backhoe to handle the logs.
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Not bad at all so now on to the second location where I will begin.
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What??
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Oh no!! And it gets worse....
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Nothing but a mud hole and the logs are in the background toward the yellow backhoe on the left. No place to set the sawmill up.
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So backhoe to the rescue.
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Ready for the sawmill.
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Bringing the first log to the sawmill.
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Yup, the first log makes 2X10's and we are doing fine.
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My customer bringing another log. I did not begin sawing until ~10am and sawed 1236bf of framing lumber (2X12's, 2X10's & 2X8's) before stopping at 4:30.
My customer plans to market and sell the lumber and should do quite well. All of the logs are bucked 16' and were no cost to him.
I should do quite well too. ;)
Lynn,
How old are those logs? (How long cut?) If I had a stack of pine like that up here I would not need any lube because I'd be cutting a big pine borer every foot or so. Might be okay for sheeting but not for framing which I assume is what you are cutting. I'm about decided SYP is less subject to borer damage than our EWP. Am I right?
They were felled/bucked in the Spring but there are very few borer holes. Probably because this is in a swampy location? I will have to be dodging borer holes at the other much higher and drier location. Also I guess because of the haphazard way the logs are, there is not any signs of rot, etc. Also the haphazardness is not a problem because the customer is having no problem fetching and bringing logs to the sawmill. No down/lost time for me. I don't know if I mentioned it, but this is a repeat customer.
Grandson, Ben will accompany me today so we should be very productive. The customer will pay him. All sawing at this location will be framing lumber and we will probably saw some 1" stuff at the other location but I have no idea how much. I justa sawin'. ;D
Lynn,
So are you saying tightly stacked logs on a hilltop are more likely to have borer damage than loose pine logs laying around a swamp?
The worst borer damage I ever saw was a tightly stacked pile of EWP on the edge of a hay field and the logs had been cut over 18 months. I sawed one log from the ground level and had a 3/8" hole every 18-24 inches so we tried one off the top and it was just as bad. We called the job at that point. You could stand there and listen to the chewing as they ate those logs. I was thinking/hoping SYP was less appetizing to the borers. These logs would have made some great holey siding if someone was in to that but the customer wanted 2X framing and this would never have had the strength he needed because of the borer damage.
I find the borers are random. I have cut logs here in Monticello and 200 miles north at camp. Some get the borers, some do not from the same woodlot. Of course they only go to work in warmer weather. Here it is best to cut pine in the winter and saw it before it gets to warm in the spring.
Thx Rich. Looking at those MM logs looks like they may have been beat up enough the bark is gone and if I remember correctly debarking the logs prevents the borers from damaging them.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on January 06, 2021, 10:34:10 AMSo are you saying tightly stacked logs on a hilltop are more likely to have borer damage than loose pine logs laying around a swamp?
Nope, I'm not saying anything. The customer told me that the logs at the other location had much more borer damage and that he had sprayed them trying to kill them. They were all felled at the same time. I have been to the other location and I did not examine the logs but the bark slipping/gone appeared to be about the same. They are certainly much more exposed to an open air environment in the woods compared to the swampy area.
What I do know is that I am seeing a very minimum amount of borer damage in these logs. I did not tally today's sawing (probably between 2-3Mbf) but I have not discarded/rejected the first board due to borer holes which is very unusual since the logs are ~ 10 months old.
It looks like rain/wet tomorrow so I may not go back until Friday.
MM,
BTW - how did the customer happen to come up with the logs which were already bucked to 16 at no cost to him? Was it a pipeline or powerline or something coming through his property or something along those lines?
I had a customer call today wanting about 6 mbf of poplar to build a 30X50 building. I called another previous customer who agreed to cut and stage the logs then he and his helper will off-bear while I saw. I called another neighbor who gave me a price on hauling/delivering the cut lumber to the customer. The customer agreed to the price and will bring me a deposit and we will all start the work. The landowner gets the lumber price for his wood, I get a sawing fee, my neighbor gets a hauling fee and the customer gets his lumber at a price he is happy with. This looks to be a very promising relationship as we all contribute something we already had to the mix and utilize equipment we each had on hand without exceeding or straining our capabilities. Its not a partnership per se in the legal terminology - we are each just selling a material or service we had available.
I have no idea but they did not come from his property because his is all hardwood. I could have asked but that would not be my nature. The sawing contract states that "he owns the logs" which is good enough for me. All that I am interested in is "what is the cut list". :)
I have not even tried to estimate how long this job could last but I see several weeks and it could be 20Mbf. ?? I'll just saw until he runs out of logs or $$. ;D
Sawing ash boards 1x8x10
For an order of 100
Sunny and windy 26° with a 5 to 7° wind chill factor.
The wind is what gets ya.
One more day closer to spring.
WM silvertips 1.25 x .042 t7°
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Bruno,
Awful pretty boards there. I love sawing ash and hate to see it getting harder and harder to find with the borers killing it all off.
Lynn,
Understood. I just thought you might be sawing on an obvious freshly built pipeline or powerline.
We had a new electric line installed about 30 miles from here and one of the landowners talked to me about sawing some of his pine off it but it never panned out. He was hauling his poplar and I guess maybe his oaks to a mill and selling them for sawlogs.
Nice looking lumber,Bruno. I always say the same thing, every decent day is one day closer to Spring.
If you saw my post about butternut, you know I'm working on buying a big log. It is gonna be way too big for my mill and will need to be trimmed. I've done a little trimming to get logs thru, but I've never cut off a foot of thickness. How have you guys done this. Would you recommend taking the same off both sides or would you take all off of one side and then mill slabs with one straight side and one live edge.? I guess if I take it all off one side I can mill the piece I take off into some boards. I'll know more when I go and look at it tomorrow. He says it is 4' at the base, but it look like they cut it pretty low and it will taper pretty quickly to about 36". Still too big for the mill, but a lot less trimming.
The whole log doesn't have to fit. Utilize the cantilever design to your advantage and hang the oversize portion out and then you can turn and nibble with the sawmill. I use the clamp and turner together to turn the big'uns.
I have an LT15 which has an idle side mast, so that won't work for me.
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I have an LT15 which has an idle side mast, so that won't work for me.
Are you familiar with a lumber maker? It clamps on the bar and rides along a 2x6. You screw a board on each end then attach the long board to them. You can square up a big log in no time. You don't need a very long bar to just take off the sides.
http://www.haddontools.com/Chainsaw-Attachment.html
Here is a video, this is how I started sawing.
Chainsaw Mill. Cutting a 2X6 with the Haddon lumbermaker. - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydLCp4s0LJc)
Thanks @richhiway (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=25823) I have one. I used it a lot when I built my house. All my loft railing was cut from ERC using the lumbermaker, plus a big timber I made for the staircase. I will use it to get a nice straight cut on the logs. I was just undecided whether to take some off of both sides or all off of one side. I'm leaning toward taking some off of each side to make the log fit. My mill can fit a log about 28" thru the uprights, but only cut a board a max of about 25" between the guides.
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I like to keep the log balanced so it easier to turn my mill has a manual deck. The LT 40 is 28 inches between the guides.
I can whittle down a good size one.
Sometimes I leave one edge live.
Youre tougher than me bruno. I dont have the moxie to stay out in that kinda cold no more.
Finished my 3rd job of 2021 today. About 725 board feet from 12" and smaller logs, 20 of them, pine, cedar, WO. Customer making Adirondack shelter on his new acreage. Technical sawing it seemed. 5 hours charged time plus mileage. A third of it was 5/8" thick cedar for lap siding. It's what he wanted. I sawed 4x4s also out of 5" logs and split some 3-4" logs in half. ::) This customer had a Tesla car. When I went to leave I asked if he could move it forward so I could back the sawmill up the path to turn my rig around. He pulled a remote out of his pocket and pushed some buttons and the car drove up the path by itself. :o :o
Yesterday 1400 BF 1x8's, 1x 12's out of 3 large bumpy pine logs 36" x8, 36" x 10, and 25" x 14'. No trouble gobbling these up with the 70Wide. But board handling was slow, the scraps were heavy and the jacket boards two feet wide, just customer and me. Once we got the logs staged it was about 5 hours to set up and saw. Before that however, the first 2-1/2 hours of the day were spent tumbling these logs down a hillside about 150 feet or so to the setup area. I was tired enough to go home before I even set up the mill. ::)
Last Sat was the first job of the year. About 900 board feet of 3x4 and 3x5 black locust posts and rails. The logs were 24" and smaller, and unlike many larger locust logs around here, these were sound with no hollows & ants. Customer and I had to roll and shuffle the logs together. ::)
I would rather saw than move logs. ::)
But it's good business to do what it takes to help the customers get their wood sawn. Me tired, them happy. 8) 8)
Next job is for a Bobcat sales rep. I better not be moving logs on that one. :D
Monday I had a new customer and my first mobile job of the new year.
We cut about 1,600 board feet of 2x white oak. Most was 2x10 and 2x8 all was 12' and 16'. My customer is building raised beds for gardening and re-decking an 18' equipment trailer. He and his son were great tail gunners.
Since Monday I've been tending to my 87 year old dad and 86 year old mom. They are having health issues that require my attention. Probably won't get to saw for several days at least.
Having to reschedule several jobs. They will keep because it's awfully wet here and family comes first.
The week after Christmas I helped my 82 year old neighbor cut down a large dead laurel oak. John and I decided to bring it the 1/4 mile home and saw it. We quartersawed this log yesterday morning using the technique demonstrated by Customsawyer, YellowHammer and WDH. It was a little challenging since the pith was not apparent at the top end of the log but we lucked out and stayed in the ray fleck for almost all of the boards.
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Yeah!!!
What method is this? The modified method where you take both sides off and set aside and then cut the pith out of the middle cant.?
Basically the RRQS method that YellowHammer has described. We cut eight faces on the outside of the log, cut a 2 3/8" full width board out of the center, slid the top half off onto the loader arms, took another 1 1/4" full width board and then started sawing to the widest face with ray fleck. It was very gratifying sawing but slow compared to sawing pine or cypress siding and dimensional lumber. The process is not slow but we were taking extra time to ensure we were getting the results we wanted.
Still no word on when my engine will ship. In the meantime, I figure I'll keep collecting logs. I saw an ad for cedar logs. In the picture there were a bunch of different logs in a barn. I went today and looked. When I walked in I thought i may have uncovered a gold mine, but what I hoped would be things like walnut, were a bunch of short pine logs and some pin oak. I ended up bringing home 13 ERC logs, some of them around 6' long and 18" diameter. The guy helped me carry all the logs to my trailer. They weren't too heavy as theyd been drying in there a long time. He told me $1 per log. I have him $20 and headed home. I'll be able to mill these and sell right away, as soon as I have an engine.
I did an interesting small resaw job this past fall. The client called and asked if I could resaw existing Douglas Fir timbers. Of course I said I could and inquired about their size, intended resizing, and if they were cleaned and free of any nails 😆 lol 🤪 ?
Below is a pic of the timbers. They were delivered to my mill site location by a young man that wasn't the client. He brought the timbers from Omaha Nebraska and said he was paid to deliver them to my location.
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So we unloaded the timbers onto my sawmill loader arms and the young man along with his girlfriend said goodbye and drove away. While waiting for the client to arrive I loaded the first timber onto my sawmills bed and skimmed the top face off the timber as previously discussed with the client. Then I shut off the mill and patiently waited for the client to arrive.
My little black lab "Sadie" got in some quality retrieving time while we waited and she wanted to pose for the camera.
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Turns out the timbers were full of small hardened square tacks or nails on both edges. When the client showed up we started digging and pulling nails from both edges of all of the timbers. We would end up finding 20-40 plus nails in each timber and would do our best to try and get them all. The client was well aware of my damaged blade charge and was willing to pay for the blades. We sawed two passes on each timber. The first pass was done just to skim off the old existing oxidized wood and create a new, flat, and straight face. The timber was then flipped over and a pass of the saw was made at 1 3/4" above the deck completing each piece.
Here's a couple (low quality) pics of two of the newly opened faces loaded into the clients truck.
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During the nail pulling session I had time to ask questions and kinda get to know my client and his material a little better. The timbers were old Douglas Fir joist that had been salvaged from the historic Woolworth Building in Downtown Omaha. They were removed as part of a remodel and upgrade of the building that had taken place in recent years. He is utilizing the newly sawn 1 3/4" thick lumber to make electric guitar bodies with his CNC router. Turns out he is talented in guitar making and knows a thing or two about how to make them and what woods make some sound much better than others. I am looking forward to seeing (and hearing) some of his final product. Who know maybe some day one of the many guitar player here on the FF will own one of the guitars that I sawed the lumber for.
Thanks for looking!
@caveman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=12883) , Your figure is narrow but very dense- I'd love to have those boards. Hopefully you get to keep them for yourself?
Sawed for the 3rd day this year, first post. Pics colors don't do justice the bright yellow dust all over everything in the shop. Osage cut a year and two months ago. Still cuts ok. Using about 1.5 bands every two logs on average. This one was first on the mill today. One of the large dia. I got 5 fence posts out of this one 5"x5"x9'.
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There were some butt logs in the fence row that were almost 4' dia. I didn't dare mess with those. Too heavy and too difficult to mill. Even with this one on the mill, the pith area is often split or partially hollow. So you have to take the solid wood from outside of that center hollow. Smaller Osage logs are solid in the middle, but the bigger they get, the more they start to spit and hollow. They don't hollow like a cherry or other logs, It's not from rot, but from movement of the log while growing causing the center to open up from the outside probably shrinking in places.
Last week I cut some alder trees in an urban area for a friend, nice job with dismantling the entire trees with a cherry picker cause there was no space to just fell them. First time I took down alder, I was surprised how fast branches break. Same with the hinge when cutting, no long fibers after felling as with poplar or fir trees.
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Most of the trees will end up as firewood, the trunks I will mill and see what it looks like from the inside. Does anyone has a good purpose for Alder trees? Cause it isn't elastic/flexible it won't be good for beams etc. I assume?
For the big rounds I think I build a inverted log splitter for the forklift or wheel loader. They are a little bit too heavy for lifting on my splitter by hand...
Alder is excellent for furniture, mill work, and architectural mill work. I buy all that I can get. WOC
Alder is a popular wood for trim and cabinets in the US. I've made some kitchen cabinets and book cases from alder and it's an easy wood to work with and I think is quite attractive with a natural finish.
It doesn't grow around here but I've heard it can be a dangerous tree to take down. Due to the brittleness they have a strong tendency to barber chair.
Alan
Lots of Alder here in western "wet" Oregon and Washington. yes Alder id dangerous to hand fall, Barber chairs frequently. Lot of furniture made from it. I understand that it finishes to look similar to Maple.
This is news to me. I did not know Alder ever got big enough to make lumber from. The ones I have seen are only about 6: diameter or less. I thought of it more as a bush than a tree. Thanks for the info.
Cut a lot of Alder on Whidbey Island in the mid to late 70's and 80's, don't recall much Barber Polling. Cutting north from I-90 to Mount Vernon, was a bit different, we were more worried about scrub maple in glacial tilth hillsides, that stuff could fall, split in any of the 360 degrees of the hinge cut. we only cut in the rainy season, Oct-June. 6 week window for furniture grade Alder in spring.
Sawed some hard maple logs for the farmer up the road this morning. Then changed the oil and filter on the Kohler 38hp. I do it every 100 hrs .
Wix filter and synthetic 5w-30 for winter.
Then I put this 40+" butt log 14'long on the mill and made some nice 34" to 16" wide live edge 2" thick. I haven't made any since last spring.
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The red alder in the West is a different species than our little hazel alder that grows on the margins of ponds and wet areas. They are both in the birch family.
Alder cut this morning.
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I will end up as a door like this one later this year.
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Shelves, tables, entertainment centers, wall panel,and on and on. As I said- I use a lot of it.
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I had 2 bits of great news today. First, Woodmizer called me this morning and told me my new engine should be shipped tomorrow. Hopefully I'll be back to sawing in a week. The second bit of news was that I get my first covid shot tomorrow. That relates to sawmilling because it is the first step in my dad and I getting back to worry free working together.
@firefighter ontheside (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=26921) I thought your first bit of good news was that you were getting the new engine for free. ;D ;D
Right now I've got an head to exhaust manifold gasket that is leaking. 19HP gas Kohler on my LT15go. I can hear the exhaust leak clearly. It started back in Mid Oct. But I've only milled about 20 days since. I thought it was at one of the exhaust pipe connections, but yesterday I wrapped those joints with exhaust pipe tape, and only then could I see that it was at the head. Gaskets should show up tomorrow. Hopefully it's just the gasket as I can't see any sign of a crack, and my power is not reduced while milling.
:P
The Bobcat sales rep customer Saturday might have to be rescheduled for rain.
But I ended up with jobs yesterday, today and Friday. I like local jobs.
Yesterday was about 900 bf of ash in 3 big logs and about 20 little ones. Plus some 4-6" cedar. 12 miles away.
Today is content of a walnut tree I havent heard how much. 24 mi away.
Friday is a stack of oak logs that have been completely debarked. I don't understand but I will understand when I get there. Sometimes it saves time not to ask too many questions. 48 mile drive.
Then Sat if the rain shifts into the night. Forget what he's got but it's all day. 33 miles.
Dennis
Are you looking at a mini skid?
My friend that has a tree service has a bobcat mt55 he likes it .
Quote from: terrifictimbersllc on January 14, 2021, 05:52:00 AMI don't understand but I will understand when I get there. Sometimes it saves time not to ask too many questions.
That is generally when I ask for texted pictures.
I do have texted pictures and I still don't understand it. :-\ I'll find out tomorrow morning.
Bruno I am not actively looking. I'm going to ask the bobcat guy Saturday about it.
Quote from: terrifictimbersllc on January 14, 2021, 01:02:46 PM
I do have texted pictures and I still don't understand it. :-\ I'll find out tomorrow morning.
The job went well today with the "debarked" logs. They were indeed de-barked, white oak logs about 6 months down, he used a spud to scrape them all completely free of bark. That's what all the lines and furrows were on the logs in the pictures he sent which I didn't understand.
Sawed um and left um. :)
Ive been doing a little sawing to stock up on what I have available for sale. I've had numerous calls for fireplace mantles this past year so I've decided to cut some and get them started drying. The mantles below are black oak.
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and I cut these out of an old and surprisingly dry elm log, but I'm certain that a little clear finish will really make the grain and color pop.
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I've been keeping the extra stock that I trim off of the back edge to sell with the mantle for corbel or cornice material.
Also stocking up on my selection of 5/4" boards. These ash boards will surely please some customers eye.
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Tomorrow I have a custom fire place mantle order to saw out of the knottiest, gnarliest black oak log that I have. It needs to be a minimum of 6' long x 5" thick x 14" deep with a live front edge.
Sunday I will travel 37 miles to custom saw 10+ walnut logs into wide live edge slabs.
Milled some 1x12 roofers that were too nice to be roofers. Next week I'm back on timbers for a horse barn.
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We started off this morning sawing bald cypress and finished up sawing sycamore. This is a sycamore log we got a couple of months ago and we wanted to quartersaw it. Most of our cuts hit very good figure.
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Well it was sawn a bit ago and came out of the kiln the other day, finished it through the moulder today, 1500 square foot, ship lap, accent wall. Ended up with 16 species of wood in it, he wanted contrast and character and I think we got it. Clear red oak and walnut, coffee stained white pine, denim SYP, colored gum, Mulberry, Ash, Polonia, and a bunch more. Really looking forward to seeing it installed.
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Looks pretty cool 👍
Kyle, that sycamore is stunning.
Chris Jim, that accent wall is going to be very attention grabbing and unique. Just like you ;D.
Thanks, Danny. I sawed the top 4' of the butt log that we quartersawed yesterday into live edged slabs today. The two narrowest ones (bench width) have some nice spalting and ambrosia beetle holes and the eight wide ones were oriented to squeeze between the guides to leave two live edges.
Jim, I look forward to seeing a pic of the finished wall. It should be pretty cool.
A little SYP on a nice day, 50s in Jan
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Sawed 500 bf of cedar this afternoon. Took about 2 hours. I sure do like having power feed!😁
Another day of sawing wide, live edge, black walnut slabs.
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Nine hours from arrival to ready to travel home. Eight brand new Kasco 4° Blades :-\ :( :-\. The blade usage was a bit extreme today. Logs were frozen with plenty of dirt and grit in the bark ( my next mill will have a debarker). Found two logs with with multiple (3 and 4) nails each in them. None the less it was a good, enjoyable day.
Thanks WDH and Caveman - customer picked it up today and we had to hand load it onto his fender sided trailer. Normally that would annoy me to no end but it allowed the material to be shuffled and laid out somewhat to how it will look on the wall. The customer sat there and kept taking photos and texting them to his buddies, he promised me photos when it is up. I will share them. Hoping it will open a new line for me.
Well on Friday the 15th I was part of a group that got let go from my full time job, so the sawmill which was more of a hobby that made a bit of money became my full time job, and I started advertising Saturday. From that I have one job,12000 bf of hemlock starting here the 1st of February, then a one day job sawing some cherry, probably a week maybe 2 sawing out hemlock 1" lumber for siding, he might have another week sawing poplar for lumber for haywagons. Working on lining up a job sawing out lumber for a 30x40 pole barn, and a job resawing oak timbers to 1" and 2" lumber. So already have probably 4x the work I did last year, just my second year of sawing.
I am sorry to hear your regular job ended but am glad to see the sawing fallback seems to be falling into place for you. Keep us posted on how it works out for you.
I bought the sawmill hoping that I would one day be able to go back to being self employed, I used to be a dairy farmer, but wasn't expecting it to be this year. In some ways I think this was the push I needed to go self employed again, I have a couple of weeks before that first job, and have to get the lights working on the mill and a couple other small things to fix on it before it's ready to really make some sawdust.
No sawing here since last August when I sold the mill.
Do I miss it? yeah a little.
Now i dont even "saw wood" at night since i got my cpap machine
Fun weekend with Dad sawing some 2 1/2" beech slabs from some large "logs" for a customer and 3 poplar logs into 1x material for us. I didn't do a final tally of the poplar, but they made a lot of lumber. 2 of the logs could have been veneer quality and one was just a normal lumber log. Note the chunk of Beech that didn't get sawed in the background of the poplar picture ::) He said they were logs ::) I said hourly rate. The one poplar was the biggest log I have had on the mill and it was a pain in the butt. 12' long 28" small end and 38" large end, but it made some purdy lumber. I have 4 more poplar logs to pick up next weekend, having a neighbor who's a logger is convenient.
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I've not made any sawdust in a couple weeks between the snow and to much OT at the day job. Only so many hours in the day. Thinking about taking up telemarketing to sell extended vehicle Warrenty. Whatcha think? 😋
Quote from: Crossroads on January 18, 2021, 11:41:19 AMThinking about taking up telemarketing to sell extended vehicle Warrenty. Whatcha think?
I think that you made your first call yesterday and I didn't want it. ;D
Gotcha to answer, that's half the battle. Lol. Glad you picked up, I really enjoyed chatting with you....
Quote from: Crossroads on January 18, 2021, 11:41:19 AM
I've not made any sawdust in a couple weeks between the snow and to much OT at the day job. Only so many hours in the day. Thinking about taking up telemarketing to sell extended vehicle Warrenty. Whatcha think? 😋
Me thinks u need to get a dictionary.
If I c an ad with misspelled words I immediately think 3
rd world scam.
GAB
Well, my sawmill engine is now in the same city as me. That's a good sign. Trying to get them to deliver it to me at work instead of waiting til im at home on wednesday. I'm guessing theyll deliver it to me tomorrow.
I got a ups app on my phone which shows exactly where the little brown truck is on a map. :D
Quote from: Hadloc411 on January 17, 2021, 11:21:12 PM
I bought the sawmill hoping that I would one day be able to go back to being self employed, I used to be a dairy farmer, but wasn't expecting it to be this year. In some ways I think this was the push I needed to go self employed again, I have a couple of weeks before that first job, and have to get the lights working on the mill and a couple other small things to fix on it before it's ready to really make some sawdust.
good luck. If you had cows you know how to work hard so cutting lumber should be a breeze. Just make sure you charge enough to make a good profit.
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Quote from: Crossroads on January 18, 2021, 11:41:19 AM
I've not made any sawdust in a couple weeks between the snow and to much OT at the day job. Only so many hours in the day. Thinking about taking up telemarketing to sell extended vehicle Warrenty. Whatcha think? 😋
Me thinks u need to get a dictionary.
If I c an ad with misspelled words I immediately think 3rd world scam.
GAB
I'm in trouble, I can't spell. I guess I better settle in working for a living. I'm a terrible salesman anyway 🤓
I had a nice red oak and white oak die in my forest recently, so I dropped and bucked them. Then, I harvested a couple of the best dead standing chestnut oaks to make a full day's worth of milling. We wound up with 2,200+ bf of 4/4, 6/4 and 8/4. Some of it was really nice, wide and clear and some was marginal. Surprisingly, the chestnut oak was the clearest, even up to the 3rd and 4th logs (8' each). As usual, I hired in a local miller who knocked all of this out in ~6 hr on his LT40 Super with just me as support. If I could have gotten another helper to offbear, it would have gone faster.
Chestnut oak
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Turd White Oak boards
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The crummy white oak boards were taken by my wife to make planters and a cold frame for the gardens, so they will not go to waste.
Nicely stacked and stickered, still needs a little more weight on top.
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Some of my customers prefer the knotty wood.
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Some of my customers prefer the knotty wood.
The word "rustic" is very much in play these days!!
One of my former students and a many time repeat customer sent me a cut list for cypress on Friday. I called him and asked if he wanted clear or knotty boards. He preferred knotty which worked out really well because all of our clear logs are in the pond and it was cold by my standards Friday afternoon. We had some knotty, yard grown cypress logs that a tree service dropped off a while back that were easily accessed. We sawed them Saturday morning before quartersawing the big sycamore.
Yesterday morning we sawed some of WDH's favorite smiley_devil . I like the way it looks but it has presented challenges. We were only able to saw it flat by flooding the blade with spindle lube and sawing slower than slow using a 4° 1.5" blade. The short crotch log was the most challenging of the sawing session to orient and saw but we did get a couple of cool pieces out of it.
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These bookmatched short slabs are about 24" wide.
Well, WDH might not be in love with the smiley_devilwood, but it looks like you've got a handle on it.
Nice grain, colours, and cuts!
In between pine barn siding and red pine framing lumber.
I put on this old beech log i had kicking around. It was spalted and rustic. I sawed it 5/4 and got some 11" wide x 8'long boards.
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Well, so much for getting my engine at work. It spent 3 days here in the town where I work. They wouldn't bring it to me because they never got in writing from WM to allow a different shipping location. Then today, they sent the engine 30 miles away to some other company that does actual delivery. That place would not deliver til Thursday, so I'm driving up there tomorrow after work to get the thing. The good news is that I SHOULD have my engine tomorrow.
Kyle, those are exceptional, but now, somebody has got to plane them, and it really helps if the customer likes cracks :).
Epoxy is in and we can only plane up to 20", so it will hopefully be someone else's baby. I had no idea what we were getting into when we started talking about buying a band sawmill in 2009. It has been a slippery slope.
It's harvest day....film at 11
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Well, I have an engine and its in place, but not hooked up. It lines up perfectly with holes that were already in the mounting plate. I got the new drive side wheel on and the new belt on. Tomorrow I need to drill some holes and mount the new gas tank and then route the gas lines. It looked a little daunting at first, but theres a lot of parts in the kit that I will not need. It also came with parts to upgrade the lift mechanism. I'm not sure that I'll install that. It will change it so that one full turn on the handle is 2" of raise instead of the 4" that I have now. The kit also came with another bracket and lube jug exaclty the the same as what I already have. Will just save that for spare.
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5" x 6' live edge black oak fireplace mantle ready to be picked up by it's new owner.
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The extra stock 5" x 6" piece to the right will be used to make cornices or corbels for the mantle piece.
That is a nice one. Have you had any trouble with selling them green? I only sell them dried and sterilized but it takes several years to do that. My oak ones always split and crack badly at the pith.
I sell quite a lot of walnut mantels. I do not sell them green, but I also do not kiln dry them either. I like to let them dry about a year and let people know just what they're getting. I just saw someone on local FB trying to sell a freshly milled cherry mill about the size of that one for $450. Apparently it has a gold core or has diamonds inset. I price them based very fairly, but still make good money on a log that I otherwise would not have milled into lumber.
What am I sawing today? I finished the cut that I was making over a month ago when my engine went south for the winter. Got the engine installed and the gas tank installed. Tracking is a little off from what it was now that I have a new drive side wheel. It's nothing significant. The blade is tracking just a little too close to the shoulder on the back of the guide bearings. I'll either adjust the bearings or the tracking.
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Today just as I was about to get into 4 big pine logs with frozen mud and ice on them.
The shaft on the debarker swing motor broke.
Called Woodmizer Pa. and have one on the way.
Ice on logs can be a pain.
I'm filling a big pine 1x8 order .
On the recent Poplar sawing job I did, I set up close enough to home to plug in my kerosene torpedo heater and use it to melt the snow-ice-mud off. When I would have one log cleaned and sawing on the mill, I'd have the next one "pre-heating" on the tractor forks ready to load.
Everyone is working in the shop today on various jobs but took a break to unload some grafted walnut logs.
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Looks nice 👍
Quote from: Bruno of NH on January 22, 2021, 04:26:13 PM
Today just as I was about to get into 4 big pine logs with frozen mud and ice on them.
The shaft on the debarker swing motor broke.
Called Woodmizer Pa. and have one on the way.
Ice on logs can be a pain.
I'm filling a big pine 1x8 order .
I've also got a nice order for pine 1x8s and 1x10s. Probably not as big as your order, but enough for me. 4000bf. I'm going to try to saw about 3000 this weekend and finish the rest next week. I've got 500' of white oak trailer decking and 1000' of 4/4 cedar to get out in the next couple weekends.
I milled for the first time in a month. Milled some very pretty american elm. Made some nice straight 8/4 live edge slabs. Mill ran great. Also turned some less than nice kiln dried maple into nice stickers.
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That is a nice one. Have you had any trouble with selling them green? I only sell them dried and sterilized but it takes several years to do that. My oak ones always split and crack badly at the pith.
Danny, this is the first one I've sold. The client contacted me looking for 5" thickness. I specifically let them know I didn't have anything that thick in dry stock material but I could do 2 1/2" in dry stock. So they asked if I could custom cut one. I said yes I can but it won't be dry. That didn't seem to matter and they still wanted it so upon receiving their deposit I cut it. They were informed to expect it to do some checking, cracking, and moving around. I made four others out of the same knotty, gnarly log. I will not be advertising them until they have dried.
Cottonwood is the Kansas state tree. made some stock for my standard pallets today.
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enough top wood to make 10 pallets if it dries ok. will make the bottoms from a number of shorter logs. I make my pallets 42 inches wide, and space them 18 inches from base to base. I have 6 footers and 9 footers. these boards are on a pallet made of hackberry. the flitches go on the firewood cradle to cut for fun firewood for fire pits and fireplaces. I had a 1 inch board that I cut into stickers.
I'm not accustomed to portable sawing but got a call from a friend who needed a days worth of sawing. I quoted him pricing and off we went. 90 mile trip one way to his farm. A variety of "stuff" that included some white pine that will be used for Windsor chair seats, some walnut (but looks like butternut because it was so light). We were walking around looking at the different logs to be sawn and we turned the corner and there was a RO log 40"ish and about 35' to a large crotch. He asked what we should do with that and my reply was "worms gotta eat to". Needless to say that log didn't move.....
His brother had some logs that he wanted framing 2x6 cut from. Some unknowns except for one large RO that sawed like butter and a large hickory that was so difficult to saw I came close to packing it up after the first cut. I would like to be around when someone tries to drive a nail in that stuff.
All in all it was a fun day, (long day, big check) and the only issues I had was I forgot to lower the travel pin and almost sawed it but caught myself. Also almost sawed into one of the backstops but again caught myself. I kinda feel like I cheated all of the onlookers of the excitement when the blades zings like it does. Oh well, maybe next time.
Now I understand what MM means by saws'em and leaves'em because it sure was nice to hook up and drive away and not have to worry about any cleanup or stickering and stacking.
Beautiful farm. Even though I was in the shade and chilly, at least the wind was at my back.
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Great work Doc and Raym
I got 4 hickory logs to saw.
They came in on a load of logs I bought.
Doc, do you use the pallets for drying? That cottonwood looks just like some logs I almost bought as butternut. >:( The guy has one ad still trying to sell it as butternut and another ad selling it as cherry firewood.
I can't believe I have never milled any hickory. It's everywhere around me. No one has brought one to be milled. I want to cut some, I just don't have any logs.
yes. these are like several others here use. I did a thread to help me develop a standard. I use regular pallets a lot since I have forks, for the smaller odd stuff. these fit the bill for being able to stack several high bunks of wood, to help weight the lower stuff down. my pallet are 42 inches wide as that matches my forks. I have a short version that is 6 foot 2 inches. and a 9 foot 2 inch version. the spacing is the same so the bolsters for a column if stacked. I have some copper naphtholate to roll on the bottoms to resist decay. this is a tree we just took down. very wet wood with over 100% MC. water came out of the wood as I cut it. it saws easy, despite tension. the wood is 10 feet long and the ends will all be trimmed.
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Quote from: Bruno of NH on January 23, 2021, 07:43:27 AMI got 4 hickory logs to saw.
smiley_devil
I have sawn it once with 10° bands when I first started
I have 7° and t7°
Frost notch
Which should I use ?
The 10° stunk on it .
That's all I had when I got my firsts mill not knowing.
I found out today that the guy who has always sharpened my planer and jointer knives can also sharpen my sawmill blades. I think I will at least try him and see how it goes. I've been hearing that turn around with woodmizer has been very slow and the WM dealer in MO that used to do resharp doesn't do it anymore. I can just drive them over and pick them up when done. Of course, I'll be losing the ability to get replacements at a discount when blades can't be sharpened. I think the price per blade is the same for sharpening. I hope I save enough on shipping to make it worthwhile.
Just finished the 9th job of 2021 today. 1220 BF of RO/ash and a half hour slicing 30" red oak cookies 4" thick about 8 of them.
Nothing booked ahead but about 6 other customers threatening to call so will probably have a few more jobs before end of month.
Might be most active January ever.
2 sales today from FB market place and 2 more orders added to the list. It will be the busiest January ever for me.
We have been selling 2x4x8' sold out twice the most we have ever sold. Randy
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I'm finally sawing some lumber for my own projects.
4x6 posts, 2x6x14' rafters and 1x5 s for sheathing for the metal roof.
Took 1 day (about 3 hours) to set the posts and header and one day (5 hours) to set the rafters and do the sheathing. The only real problem is the cost of the metal roofing! Cha Ching $$$$!
You guys with flat roofs :D ;) Up here in NH the thing would be on the ground on the first storm.
Fun this last week 10 ° cutting frozen Hemlock logs hard as a rock. The T7s did ok but, Dull faster. If you don't take the lumber off fast enuff the thing will freeze to the cant. 8)
I know what your talking about we were sawing pine 2x4 and they froze down to the cant real fast and its fun scarping off saw dust to. we use windshield washer fluid but it still freezes to the 2x4. Randy
Quote from: Peter Drouin on January 24, 2021, 09:57:49 AM
You guys with flat roofs :D ;) Up here in NH the thing would be on the ground on the first storm.
Yes "flat" is relative. The photo makes it look flatter than it is. The roof has about 20" of fall in 14'. We rarely get more than 6" of snow and none of it stays more than 2 or 3 days. While this lean-to will hold up to our snow loads, it wouldn't where snow and ice accumulates over several weather events. There are hundreds of sheds like this built on tobacco barns just in Stokes County.
If it gets cold enough and the sawdust freezes thick, I scrape it off in sheets. ;D
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You are right Peter
I used alot of blades this last week frozen logs add to the winter fun.
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Finally got back to the mill this year! Some 6/4 walnut and some pin oak slabs.
That walnut is killer.
great stuff... from Kansas! 8) 8) 8)
Awesome 👍
A neighbor called me today to ask if I could saw cookies from spalted maple her husband got for firewood. I told her "yes" and I could do it now. As she approached me and my wife, I told my wife that I was going to bake saw some cookies for her. Two hours later I had this pic in my email. I'm still laughing.
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(There is an electrical issue with the head feed so I had to push. That's my task for tomorrow)
Not sawing last week - but finished lifting one of my sheds that came off second best in a Category 5 cyclone.
It's been a work in progress for a long time - as time and money permitted. It spent 6 years down in "sydney opera house" style with some pallets to stop it collapsing further.... which was really good in terms of self washing floors every time it rained but not good for much else.
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I had every builder in like 100 mile here buying lumber at some point or other and looked at it and none of them knew where to start so it was either knock it down or do it ourselves. Now I'm not a builder.... but pallets, forklifts, dogs and chains and ratchet straps : I got general freighters covered.
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I can now say that officially - it's nearly twice as strong as the original design. We do not wish to do this again in a hurry.
*No OH&S guys were consulted in the making of this post :D
Awesome,,,,,,You are making me smile with your engineering solutions.We have the Disney concert hall here in Los Angeles with a twisted roof like yours. Keep up the good work ! Cheers WOC
Got a load of cedar today. Some are kinda small, but it's all worth sawing. Good thing is I've got an order for 4x4s.
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Not sawing last week - but finished lifting one of my sheds that came off second best in a Category 5 cyclone.
It's been a work in progress for a long time - as time and money permitted. It spent 6 years down in "sydney opera house" style with some pallets to stop it collapsing further.... which was really good in terms of self washing floors every time it rained but not good for much else.
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I had every builder in like 100 mile here buying lumber at some point or other and looked at it and none of them knew where to start so it was either knock it down or do it ourselves. Now I'm not a builder.... but pallets, forklifts, dogs and chains and ratchet straps : I got general freighters covered.
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I can now say that officially - it's nearly twice as strong as the original design. We do not wish to do this again in a hurry.
*No OH&S guys were consulted in the making of this post :D
Nice job! Thoughtful patient approach get's it done! Now a big sale on pallets coming up.
We were setting up a big circus style tent for employee billeting in Baghram Afghaniland and had a heavy snowfall that did the same thing to it. The only thing that kept it up was we had started staging the furniture and had a long row of 6' tall wardrobes along the outer walls on both sides and they held it up. Once occupied and the heat was on in the tents the snow would just melt off as quickly as it would fall. A contractor convinced the USAF foam insulation would be a great addition so they foamed a bunch about 2" thick. They ruined a bunch of A/Cs because they did not seal the vent fans and they got clogged and the next time it snowed the well insulated tents collapsed under the weight because it could not melt as per our original design. We finally had to tear all the foam off and ship it off the base because it was hazardous waste that we could not bury or burn.
Got in some new bands to add to the supply
Silvertips 7/39 × .055 I have lots of big logs coming up with wide cuts.
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Finding good help anymore is really hard. This one is on the small side but he has a big heart and doesn't eat much! :D
Got about 2,000 foot of yard tree walnut to work through than 1,000 board foot of really nice cherry logs. Couple of the big walnut logs get live edge slabbed but the rest is all grade sawing.
Good looking help but I think Magicman might beg to differ from some of his past help 😂
Yeah but Miz pat might vote for the pooch. :D
He's wondering why there's no log on the mill. :D
After my portable sawing job last week, I am going to try and figure out how to do more of these.
One problem I have is keeping the lubemizer jets clean. They seem to always get clogged and isn't an issue when I'm sawing here because I just take them out and blow them out with compressed air.
Wasn't an option at customers site so I removed the jets and drilled them out to 5/64 (smallest bit I had). Will see how that does.
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Fun weekend with Dad sawing some 2 1/2" beech slabs from some large "logs" for a customer and 3 poplar logs into 1x material for us. I didn't do a final tally of the poplar, but they made a lot of lumber. 2 of the logs could have been veneer quality and one was just a normal lumber log. Note the chunk of Beech that didn't get sawed in the background of the poplar picture ::) He said they were logs ::) I said hourly rate. The one poplar was the biggest log I have had on the mill and it was a pain in the butt. 12' long 28" small end and 38" large end, but it made some purdy lumber. I have 4 more poplar logs to pick up next weekend, having a neighbor who's a logger is convenient.
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A little late, but Dad just sent me a picture of the huge poplar log loaded on the mill that I mentioned in my previous post. This is the biggest log I've milled to date, I don't wish to repeat it soon :D Except I have 2 @8' long that are this big that still need milled
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My debarker swing motor shaft came in last night.
Got it put in the motor this afternoon. Just need to put things back together at the mill.
Thanks @Marty (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=34825) Parsons
:) I got a new circular saw blade in today :).
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;D But it's not your standard issue 7 1/4" circular saw blade ;D.
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It's a little bigger. :D :D
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Been sawing SYP 2x6s for my log supplier. 1336 board feet.
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Also cut my first 6x16 door header beam for my sawmill shed. The oddest thing happened while cutting it. I put on a new blade for this log. I had cut two sides flat and was fixing to cut the third side, when I heard a bang as the blade broke. I wasn't in the cut. The blade was nowhere near anything and just bang, it broke right near a tip. Anyone else experienced this?
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The driver for my log supplier asked for some pickets.
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hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Bindian on January 27, 2021, 10:14:46 PM
Also cut my first 6x16 door header beam for my sawmill shed. The oddest thing happened while cutting it. I put on a new blade for this log. I had cut two sides flat and was fixing to cut the third side, when I heard a bang as the blade broke. I wasn't in the cut. The blade was nowhere near anything and just bang, it broke right near a tip. Anyone else experienced this?
New blade breaking after two cuts....I bet it was the weld.
Quote from: Larry on January 27, 2021, 10:55:46 PM
Quote from: Bindian on January 27, 2021, 10:14:46 PM
Also cut my first 6x16 door header beam for my sawmill shed. The oddest thing happened while cutting it. I put on a new blade for this log. I had cut two sides flat and was fixing to cut the third side, when I heard a bang as the blade broke. I wasn't in the cut. The blade was nowhere near anything and just bang, it broke right near a tip. Anyone else experienced this?
New blade breaking after two cuts....I bet it was the weld.
That is what I thought too. Until I had it in my hands and saw that it broke about 1/8th inch from a sharp tip.
hugs, Brandi
Strange place for a blade to break. I have broke a few but pretty much catch them all before they go now. After a couple breaks it's noticeable in the cut as the sound it has. Tsk tsk tsk as it moves laterally back and forth at the crack. Easy to see as the blade is stopped at end of cut also. But every once in a while it gets ta.
Yes it happens, if that's a WM band they may come good for it assuming there is no sign of damage. They do cover weld breaks if the band is rather new.
Quote from: Raym on January 27, 2021, 05:16:45 AM
After my portable sawing job last week, I am going to try and figure out how to do more of these.
One problem I have is keeping the lubemizer jets clean. They seem to always get clogged and isn't an issue when I'm sawing here because I just take them out and blow them out with compressed air.
Wasn't an option at customers site so I removed the jets and drilled them out to 5/64 (smallest bit I had). Will see how that does.
Get yourself a compressed air tank from NAPA or similar place, the kind that holds about five gallon, or enough to pump a car tire. Fill it up and take it with you. It will hold enough to blow out the nozzle several times.
Quote from: Southside on January 28, 2021, 07:23:43 AM
Yes it happens, if that's a WM band they may come good for it assuming there is no sign of damage. They do cover weld breaks if the band is rather new.
I am planning on sending the broken ends to them.
hugs, Brandi
I milled some 30" diameter but only 36" - 56" lengths of walnut this morning. A friend brought them to me the day before my engine quit last month. So I got around to sawing them today. We had a few inches of snow the other day and these logs had snow on them. I did a less than thorough job of cleaning the snow off and hit a white rock from my driveway. Dang it. That should have been avoided. Made some really nice, if short, 8/4 slabs as wide as 25". He had gotten these logs for free, but could only load them on his trailer in short chunks. He's a friend from elementary school and I guess I will keep some of the slabs and deduct an hour from the charge. There's gonna be a lot of slabs.
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I sawed mostly ERC today along with a bit of Red Oak, Cypress, and SYP.
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A couple of the ERC logs had "character".
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But they still turned out some purdy stuff.
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That brown line is a shadow from an above limb.
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And da log dawg was in charge of this trailer load. The total yield was 1002 bf.
Lynn,
Pretty wood. I am glad the dog approves. You can just send that load on up here. My last customer came by and bought a few walnut boards and I had to move my entire stack looking through it for him. He is a repeat customer and makes crematorium boxes for our local funeral home so short pieces work fine. He wanted cedar too but I don't have any and checked with a neighbor who had some a year or so back and asked me if I knew of anybody looking but he has since used it up. He said he has a few trees and may have me saw them in a while.
I think while I have my walnut down I will just put it on the RAS and table saw and clean it up in short pieces and remove the sapwood. I figure it may move then. We will see.
I have 2 firm orders to do as soon as the 6" of snow we got last night clears out. I need to resaw a few boards tomorrow for a repeat customer who wants them planed. I don't normally plane them but only about 60 bf or so. I have to rip them to fit my planer and they are 18-22 inches wide. I'll make them up to fit 20" shelves.
Quote from: Bindian on January 27, 2021, 10:14:46 PM
Been sawing SYP 2x6s for my log supplier. 1336 board feet.
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Also cut my first 6x16 door header beam for my sawmill shed. The oddest thing happened while cutting it. I put on a new blade for this log. I had cut two sides flat and was fixing to cut the third side, when I heard a bang as the blade broke. I wasn't in the cut. The blade was nowhere near anything and just bang, it broke right near a tip. Anyone else experienced this?
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The driver for my log supplier asked for some pickets.
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hugs, Brandi
Nice looking lumber Brandi.
Quote from: Magicman on January 28, 2021, 07:01:32 PM
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I sawed mostly ERC today along with a bit of Red Oak, Cypress, and SYP.
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A couple of the ERC logs had "character".
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But they still turned out some purdy stuff.
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That brown line is a shadow from an above limb.
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And da log dawg was in charge of this trailer load. The total yield was 1002 bf.
Lynn ya gotta love days spent sawing cedar. I have a small but crazy whack of 25' - 32' ERC logs to do myself. But some of em got some serious heart rot in the butt log.
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Quote from: Haleiwa on January 28, 2021, 09:03:23 AM
Quote from: Raym on January 27, 2021, 05:16:45 AM
After my portable sawing job last week, I am going to try and figure out how to do more of these.
One problem I have is keeping the lubemizer jets clean. They seem to always get clogged and isn't an issue when I'm sawing here because I just take them out and blow them out with compressed air.
Wasn't an option at customers site so I removed the jets and drilled them out to 5/64 (smallest bit I had). Will see how that does.
Get yourself a compressed air tank from NAPA or similar place, the kind that holds about five gallon, or enough to pump a car tire. Fill it up and take it with you. It will hold enough to blow out the nozzle several times.
X2 on the air tank. Hopefully you have better luck with the hole than I had. Did the same thing for the same reason, ended up buying replacement jets as the new hole didn't give me a good spray pattern.
What are you using for a mixture in your lube tank?
Quote from: DPatton on January 28, 2021, 08:07:59 PM
Quote from: Bindian on January 27, 2021, 10:14:46 PM
Been sawing SYP 2x6s for my log supplier. 1336 board feet.
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Also cut my first 6x16 door header beam for my sawmill shed. The oddest thing happened while cutting it. I put on a new blade for this log. I had cut two sides flat and was fixing to cut the third side, when I heard a bang as the blade broke. I wasn't in the cut. The blade was nowhere near anything and just bang, it broke right near a tip. Anyone else experienced this?
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The driver for my log supplier asked for some pickets.
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hugs, Brandi
Nice looking lumber Brandi.
Thanks Don!
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Southside on January 28, 2021, 10:15:53 PM
X2 on the air tank. Hopefully you have better luck with the hole than I had. Did the same thing for the same reason, ended up buying replacement jets as the new hole didn't give me a good spray pattern.
What are you using for a mixture in your lube tank?
I've been using straight washer fluid with a couple of glugs of dawn....Only had issues one time with some large fresh SYP and even those weren't too bad.
I did 2 pre-site visits today to help the customer figure where to set up for sawing. The first was an Aussie couple at the end of nowhere bordering a local wildlife management area and overlooking the New River about where I end my fishing and wife's photo trips when we come up that way. He had a bunch of really small logs but they won't take a lot of effort to saw and he has a friend who will be bringing some more. My next client was only a few miles down the road and a lady from Utah (I can't remember anyone I ever met from Utah) who wants max length logs (I suggested 20'9" and make sure they are sawed with the ends square) sawed 6" thick for a log cabin extension to their current home. Logs look to be about 12-14 inches SED and left live edge. They plan to use them in June and invited me to the workshop. She said the flat surfaces will be the inner and outer walls and they will alternate the logs head to toe and notch them to connect. It sounds real interesting and I will plan to attend situation permitting. It looks like 2-3 cuts, flip, repeat, move the finished log and do the next one. Looks like I might get 2-3 4/4 boards off each log. I figured we will spend more time loading and handling than sawing.
I've never heard of cutting flat sides for in and out and stacking the live edges. That seems like a lot of work to hide the natural edges and only get to see the flat sides. I guess it still maximizes the height of the log stack and you get to use the side wood to make some boards.
FFOTS,
Its a new one to me but actually the log barn in my avatar is built like that. You can see some of it here in the pix below I took during some flooding problems we had a couple years ago.
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This was a 2 story barn that collapsed due to rot at the base on the uphill side. My son and his buddy dismantled and rebuilt it as a single story on my lot over 25 years ago when he was about 16. They did a good job for a couple of teens. He chinked it some with cement and great foam but when originally built there was no chinking. I'd guess this barn is well over 100 years old. The logs were hewn with an adze - not sawed.
Quite a few, maybe most - were built that way around Va, WVa, NC, parts of Ohio. Don't know why that style log was predominant. Maybe Don P has some insight on that.
It took a pretty fair timber framer to cut those notches like that. I am looking forward to going to the workshop and may see if the customer is interested in having our local weekly paper come watch. She said they already have people from several states away coming to watch and learn.
I have seen other old barns like that around here. Some had chinking but barns and such often did not. Lots had a board nailed across the gap to keep the air out.
How close are you to Hot Springs? That's where Barnwood Builders are located. They specialize in taking down and restoring old cabins like that. Timberframes also.
I don't know anything about Hot Springs. I am thinking they are located around Lewisburg WV about 40 miles from here. Seems like we drive past their laydown yard over there.
I sawed for a Doctor less than 20 miles from here (Actually I was showing him how to operate his LT50 - sweet machine - that he bought but did not know how to use.) who lived in a home the Bowe crew had built. He took me on a tour inside. They did some first class work. They also built a cabin on an island here in the New River less than 5 miles from me.
My wife's first cousin is married to a Bowe who is a cousin to them. He was from Charleston WV and they live up near Akron now.
I am not into timber framing but would like to see them using wood I sawed for that purpose.
Got my springs mixed up. White Sulfur Springs not Hot Springs. Hot Springs is in VA. Too many spring towns around there for me to keep straight.
In any event, they are a talented group of people. Like to see some of their work first hand.
Sounds like you're going to get to saw some material for that style cabin.
These are some clear walnut slabs we milled, and after a year of air drying, kiln drying and finish planing dead flat with our new planer, we put them out for sale yesterday and they are selling very fast, probably 1/3rd sold today, and hopefully as many more tomorrow.
They range to over $500 each.
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Quote from: YellowHammer on January 30, 2021, 12:27:52 AM
These are some clear walnut slabs we milled, and after a year of air drying, kiln drying and finish planing dead flat with our new planer, we put them out for sale yesterday and they are selling very fast, probably 1/3rd sold today, and hopefully as many more tomorrow.
They range to over $500 each.
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Looks great. I bet you really like your new planer. Great video with your new dust collection system for it. How long and wide are the slabs
@YellowHammer (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=11488) the walnut is beautiful. also given the parka like outerwear, must be way down in the 60s in Al...
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Thanks, that's the wood we like to sell here at Hobby Hardwood and we get lucky sometimes. The biggest problem is always having packs of 8/4 walnut waiting in the wings, ready to sell, so I'm having to sawmill and stockpile walnut a year or so in advance. We sell about a pallet of live edge walnut every couple weeks, more or less, Since we have 35 different species and cuts, and a good percentage of that in 8/4 live edge, which is slow to dry, then I'm always trying to predict and mill for next year. It also ties up a lot of money, just sitting around air drying. 4/4 boards are another situation as I can cycle them much faster.
The walnut widths range up to 28 inches, but our planer can only do 25" so we just have to sell some as is.
It is cold here, 27 degrees yesterday morning, sleet the day before. The vest my wife is wearing is heated and battery operated, she loves it.
YH
Beautiful walnut.
Your customers look bundled up.
It's cold in NH the wind chill -10° to -25°
That Polar Vortex thingy was getting tiresome for us up here in the Central Plains.
So, we sent it down the line - enjoy the crisp fresh air y'all! ;)
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@YellowHammer (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=11488) Teea sends her greetings and some advice - Martha: keep a spare battery charged. ;D
Good looking lumber, Goin' to have a look at your planer and dust collector on YTube.
It was sleeting this morning, that's too cold for my blood. If it's less than 50F I'd rather watch "Swamp Loggers" on TV.
I'd just run inside at the temps you guys work in.
I'll tell Martha about the battery. She loves the vest.
We've got the dust collector working and just finished the last video on it. Hopefully we will upload the last video next week.
I was going to start a thread on the system but was too busy installing it. We went all in with an Oneida Industrial/Professional series with Air Lock and full stainless Duct Incorporated Snap Lock pipe.
I did notice the pipe in the video and it looks really nice! The whole system looks first class 👍
We have been getting snow and temps in the 20's to high teens at night and barely up to freezing in the day with 3-5 inches more snow coming tomorrow. I had a customer call wanting some (4) 20" wide boards 10' long for some shelves at their shop. The I had some nice ash to fill the bill then he said he wanted it planed. I don't normally do planing other an occasional small board or two or one face to show what the wood will look like. I only have a little Porter Cable portable lunchbox planer and it will only plane a 12" board so he agreed random widths to make a 20" width was okay. I reluctantly agreed as these guys have been good business and bought nearly all my tomato stakes last summer. I normally sell my rough ash for $1/bf so I doubled the price for planing. I should have refused and/or charged much more. I had to resaw a couple of boards to get the widths needed (8" & 12") and the wood was real pretty but not something I plan to do again. The first thing I had to do was to bolt down my planer which I never had to do before. There wasn't really anything unexpected just more work and not something I enjoy doing. I don't regret and will just write it off as a cost neutral learning experience. I'll try to deliver them 5 miles away tomorrow before the snow hits.
Quote from: YellowHammer on January 30, 2021, 09:38:59 AM
Thanks, that's the wood we like to sell here at Hobby Hardwood and we get lucky sometimes. The biggest problem is always having packs of 8/4 walnut waiting in the wings, ready to sell, so I'm having to sawmill and stockpile walnut a year or so in advance. We sell about a pallet of live edge walnut every couple weeks, more or less, Since we have 35 different species and cuts, and a good percentage of that in 8/4 live edge, which is slow to dry, then I'm always trying to predict and mill for next year. It also ties up a lot of money, just sitting around air drying. 4/4 boards are another situation as I can cycle them much faster.
The walnut widths range up to 28 inches, but our planer can only do 25" so we just have to sell some as is.
It is cold here, 27 degrees yesterday morning, sleet the day before. The vest my wife is wearing is heated and battery operated, she loves it.
Sounds like the story of my life.... jackets when it hits 70°, and the market prediction / cash tied up in stock / gotta have everything so you've got something coming through... stuff as well.
Back when I was doing mostly the specialty & cabinet/joinery timber stuff it was always a feast or famine environment.... small sales to keep it going (but barely) and we used to get these occasional big orders for architectural type jobs that would suck a lot of timber out the door and then the tax man would be there with his hand out, I'd be rich for a week then start buying logs and around we would go again.
Came the day when I was sitting on about half million dollars worth of sawn stock and scratching in the ashtray of my truck to buy a loaf of bread, and I swung into the wholesale framing stuff instead.
And swung too far, because it's that kind of game.
And I'm struggling with it again now: I'm trying to get back to a balance of enough framing for cashflow and the specialty products for profit and i need to saw them this year for next year like you do... but keep getting these opportunities thrown at me with big dollars, big volumes, and low margins attached that just tie up my gear on cashflow work and mean I dont have the capacity to do the low volume/high margin stuff as well.
I am currently being reminded that to do production volumes at production margins you need to have production equipment - and 10 guys to show up to work every day. I've learnt the hard way once before about the "cant produce without production equipment" dilemma and.... here I am learning it again because I'm dumb that way.
What would have been a jump all over it opportunity at 40 looks like a millstone around my neck at 50. Won't be stopping sawing until I die (probably in the mill) but.... I dont want the headaches that come with it. But there is sure some attraction in that regular work also.
Eeeni meeney miney fish. :D
John and I got some good longleaf pine logs a few months ago. Yesterday a guy called and needed a bunch of 14" wide boards and was not able to find any locally. We were able to saw nearly 40, 14" wide boards out of a couple of logs we had on hand. The butt log was the best pine log we have ever sawn. We used a new 7°, 1.5" Kasco and a little diesel drip. These two logs had about 15" of heart pine and cut laser flat at a moderate sawing speed. We sticker stacked them closer than we normally do for pine but we want these to stay flat.
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The short stack behind John is from the two logs we sawed this morning. We flat stacked a bunch of 1x on top for weight and storage.
I have to keep the 2" live edge walnut hidden. Right now I have about 1500 on sticks. If I stock the walnut shelf with that nothing else [in 2" live] will sell. Just got half a truck load but that's 1 1/2 year out. Thinking about doing 6/4 to dry faster. If i was to advertise this little operation would explode.
Caveman - thats some great stacks and a good looking mill yard.
It all looks like it came straight out of a Woodmizer best practices manual.
:P
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20 tonne of feedstock block stacked and staged across the yard to load Friday afternoon
Tomorrow I guess we get to start all over again... :-\
Quote from: Andries on January 30, 2021, 11:10:47 PM
Caveman - thats some great stacks and a good looking mill yard.
It all looks like it came straight out of a Woodmizer best practices manual.
:P
Thank you, Andries. We sawed a bunch of 1x6's last year but the place that I was planning on having pressure treat them does not treat for anyone but themselves now. They were flat stacked yesterday and hopefully we'll start selling them. We did use them to provide weight on top of what we sawed in the morning.
We had a great day to work outside. It started off cool and by mid-afternoon the temp was in the mid 70's.
Good looking packs of lumber, Longtime Lurker. I appreciate the color and hardness of the lot of the wood you saw.
That is doing it right, Kyle, and the customers will know that, too.
I have a large rustic pine order still going. Doing other small orders with it. Picking up a new order almost every day.
The rustic pine order the customer wants odd rustic 1x8.
Today I had some dead standing pine one of the treats the tree guys leave me :D.
I was surprised it looked so good but took lots of blade lube. Sawed this stuff with a silvertip .055 7/39 t .
Cut nice and flat. I was surprised how much pitch was inside for dead standing trees.
Was -5° this morning and 10 to 18" of snow on the way. I'm ready for it this time. The plows on Henry and the buckets on Big Bob.
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A little blizzard sawing today. Cutting timbers for a horse barn.
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Just walnut and more walnut. Last night I had a guy drive 60 miles so I could saw his one little walnut log into a mantle. He wanted a mantle with all heartwood 9-1/2" wide. I whittled it down to all heartwood 8" wide. I'm glad he was standing right beside me calling the shots! I even got a tip.
Today I sawed good walnut logs into boring 8/4, 7/4, and 6/4 grade lumber.
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Than I sawed junk walnut logs into high dollar slabs. :)
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Looks awesome Larry
Quote from: Dave Shepard on February 01, 2021, 08:09:04 PMA little blizzard sawing today. Cutting timbers for a horse barn.
Dave: The photo shows a frosted accuset screen and an extra battery under the hydraulic box. Some of the antifreeze from the lubemizer on a cloth will help you see the screen, but I wondered if you need the extra battery as a jumper for that cold diesel ?
The screen is fine, just covered in snow. It was coming down faster than it looks in the pic. Extra battery is for unclamping when the head is at the other end of the mill. Battery is new, and it started great, even at 20*F.
Gotcha, thanks for that.
Quote from: Dave Shepard on February 01, 2021, 11:07:53 PM
The screen is fine, just covered in snow. It was coming down faster than it looks in the pic. Extra battery is for unclamping when the head is at the other end of the mill. Battery is new, and it started great, even at 20*F.
Dave
How's the extra battery hooked up ?
I'm interested in it.
Thanks Bruno
Quote from: Dave Shepard on February 01, 2021, 11:07:53 PM
Extra battery is for unclamping when the head is at the other end of the mill.
When I get into trouble on the far end, I hook up jumper cables from the truck battery or riding mower to power the hydraulics.
I always carry a battery "jump box" in my truck. It's an older version of this which also has an air compressor: LINK (https://www.homedepot.com/p/Stanley-Professional-Power-Station-1400-Peak-700-Instant-Amp-500-Watt-Inverter-120-PSI-Air-Compressor-PPRH7DS/306231998). It's a simple matter to clip it to the power strip.
I ran cables up into the battery box and attached to the appropriate ground and power lugs. The connections at the battery are wing nuts, so I can quickly unhook when I'm done.
I picked up this walnut log today. It strained my log loader the most i've seen. Calculator said it should have weighed about 2,000 lbs. It's 12' long and about 22" diameter. I think I will be cutting it either in half or as an 8 and a 4 for the mill. I'm leaning toward the latter. The 4' piece would have a bunch of crotch figure in it.
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Quote from: Dave Shepard on February 01, 2021, 11:07:53 PM
Extra battery is for unclamping when the head is at the other end of the mill.
When I get into trouble on the far end, I hook up jumper cables from the truck battery or riding mower to power the hydraulics.
I don't understand, why do you need the extra battery when the cutting head is at the other end of the mill?
I had an eventful afternoon. 53 mile road trip and the (repeat) customer could not be at the sawing location until 12:00 so I left home at 11:00.
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One of my tailgunners was waiting.
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Five 6' ERC logs and two 8' Pecan logs.
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Yes, the largest Pecan log had a 40" butt. Thankfully I was able to hang part of it out of the cantilever and saw it without any chainsaw Bibbying.
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ERC and the ends of some Pecan slabs on the left.
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My customer on the right watches as the two tailgunners wait for me to adjust the log with a Magic Hook and the sawmill log clamp. The stump seen just above the Logrite Cant hook on the right might be familiar so some.
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The above 3 pictures taken in November, 2018, give a closer look. :D
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Mostly 1" lumber from the butt log and 2" & 3" slabs from the second log. The remainder of the first log is seen beyond the sawmill and was abandoned after the second nail strike.
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It was a productive (hourly rate) afternoon and the customer tipped me $20. ;D
Quote from: DPatton on February 02, 2021, 08:47:51 PM
Quote from: Sixacresand on February 02, 2021, 09:34:06 AM
Quote from: Dave Shepard on February 01, 2021, 11:07:53 PM
Extra battery is for unclamping when the head is at the other end of the mill.
When I get into trouble on the far end, I hook up jumper cables from the truck battery or riding mower to power the hydraulics.
I don't understand, why do you need the extra battery when the cutting head is at the other end of the mill?
You don't have hydraulics unless the carriage is on the power strip, which is about five feet long at the head end of the mill.
My Thursday's customer LINK (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=113386.msg1790701#msg1790701) called me this morning. "I have something for you that I made out of the cedar that you sawed".
We met at the hardware store....
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A neat ERC platter for PatD.
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I sawed it on the 28th.
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And he made it yesterday. :)
MM,
Awful purty platter. I hope Miz Pat enjoys it. We'll expect to see it soon with some BBQ or grilled redfish on it for accent.
Still too cold and miserable up here to saw. We have about 3" of crusty melted down snow on the ground. I charged my cell phone and took my WM manual, and toolbox out to the mill to see if I could figure out the gremlin that got hold of my debarker which had quit working recently. I waited till after lunch so I could call the WM gurus for troubleshooting help if needed. I shook most of the snow off the cover and removed it, put the key in and turned it on and set the speed control to full stop and locked the power feed toggle in forward position, then wiggled the wires in the control box with the breaker. I had already checked the connections to the motor last time I was out there and they looked good. When I wiggled the right wire the debarker blade started spinning so I had narrowed it down to something in the box. I removed the plate and it was obvious immediately. The little wire to the solenoid had broken at the ring connector. I looked but did not have that size connector so I stripped the wire about 3/4" and wrapped it around the solenoid post and tightened the nut back in place. It works fine now and I'll pick up some more ring connectors the next time I go to town and make a proper fix instead of a temporary patch.
I sawed more short walnut chunks today. One of them must have had barbed wire in it. I hit something and removed it and then scanned the log and found more metal. I chiseled down to find it, but it just kept going down into the log.
I also stacked some sassafras that I milled a while ago, but never got around to stacking properly. I like the winter when it doesn't mold if I don't stack and sticker right away. I wish you could smell the pictures, because the odor is amazing.
I'm gonna mill a bunch of ERC tomorrow. I picked up about 20 logs for $20 a few weeks ago. I will probably saw it all into 1x6, except for a few 2x6 that I need to replace some stair treads going off of my deck into the backyard.
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Magicman- It took me a bit to make the connection between those different sets of photos. Several minutes were spent wondering what in the world they did when they tried to drop the tree. Felling by the learn-as-you-go method?
Clark
Yup, same customer, same location, and that stump is still there. :D The funny thing was that the tree fell toward the "smile". Well maybe funny or maybe not but at least no one was killed. The stump is visible with Google Earth. :o
Working up a whack of tulip poplar. Still have a 36" DBH tree to drop, buck, and skid to this pile.
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Delivered these to a friend that deals with stave logs.
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The bigger 12 footer in the middle went to the trailer decking pile, but the other 3 got me $500!
Not bad for free logs.
I milled a 30 inch 20 foot long SYP. Yesterday. I was cutting a 6x16 beam for a door header, but left it at 7x17 until for now. It also gave me 3 full dimension 2x12s and 3 nominal sized 2x12s.
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I had to bibby it also.
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hugs, Brandi
nicely done, well stacked and organized. you should be an aeronautical mechanic! good skills cross over.
Sawing rustic white pine again. I had to pull a guy off firewood today to get some stuff out quicker today.
It's snowed most of the day just enough to make it fun :D
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I'd enjoy sawing in the snow. Might get that chance this coming week, if its not too cold. I'll say too cold is less than 15. That might mean a late start to sawing in the morning. I have some ERC to saw and an order for some white oak 1x6. Not a ton, but I'd sure like to get it done.
FFOTS, yeah, um sure, c'mon up and play on my mill. It'll be fun!
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But first, you have to find it. ;D :D
Our forecast says single digit highs and subzero lows all next week for me. The saw is going to stay parked at home.
Everything was going along just fine, and then............from the right side to the left side, something changed :D.
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Nailed it. It looks like your blade kept cutting flat with a tooth out of set. Blades are the best metal detectors.
Danny, when you run that thru the planer the lines will run the other way :D :D ;D.
:D :D Exactly! You can use a bandsaw blade as a metal detector, but never a planer :).
From right to left and from the nail on down. Lol.
Don't think I wouldn't enjoy it OG. I didn't get to go skiing this year, I am really needing some snow in my life. Supposed to get 2" tomorrow. Of course I'm at work...the only time I don't really enjoy snow.
Quote from: WDH on February 05, 2021, 10:43:25 PM
:D :D Exactly! You can use a bandsaw blade as a metal detector, but never a planer :).
My blades will even help lower backstops and loosen clamps! 🤣
Quote from: WDH on February 05, 2021, 10:28:43 PM
Everything was going along just fine, and then............from the right side to the left side, something changed :D.
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Danny,
I find this pic fascinating, as it teaches me a little bit about "Speeds & Feeds". As most of you know, I don't (yet) own a sawmill- I use a CSM. Your pic tells me that (not sure how wide the piece is, but assuming it's in the 6" range) the band makes one full revolution for every ~3/4" of travel... That is humming right along. My CSM wouldn't surprise me to find the same tooth on the 32" bar making contact with the piece about every 1/8". So I can complete my calculations, how wide was your work piece- and was it Softwood or Hardwood?
DanG, I've got to get me a Bandsaw Mill!
Thanks.
Steve
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Playing truck drivers because neither of my haulage contractors likes dealing with them at that size.... about 9 tonne in the head end of the log and when you start shunting them over the side with a dozer its hard on the gear and things get broken. 20' x 50"... 2645 BF Doyle... butt log will go somewhere up around the 4000 BF mark.
They'll bring the weekly average back up anyway.
Great log LL! Question why leave them so long? Is that being sawn for grade lumber or is it one of those tough to process Aussi Eucs that is better off as a rough long lumber?
Olcow,
The board is about 12" wide. The wood is older, natural southern yellow pine.
Quote from: longtime lurker on February 06, 2021, 06:48:43 AM
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Playing truck drivers because neither of my haulage contractors likes dealing with them at that size.... about 9 tonne in the head end of the log and when you start shunting them over the side with a dozer its hard on the gear and things get broken. 20' x 50"... 2645 BF Doyle... butt log will go somewhere up around the 4000 BF mark.
They'll bring the weekly average back up anyway.
Is that a Hino or ?
Talk about a double edged sword, we hate to find nails in the wood we saw, but use nails to secure the wood we saw 🤔
Some big white oak logs that we are going to send off to get slabbed. The big one on my right will probably get quartersawn.(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/59254/084F25FE-5CA7-403F-BF4B-852A449B32FD.jpeg?easyrotate_cache=1612636713)
For size reference, I'm 6'3" tall.
DanG!
Quote from: nativewolf on February 06, 2021, 07:10:55 AM
Great log LL! Question why leave them so long? Is that being sawn for grade lumber or is it one of those tough to process Aussi Eucs that is better off as a rough long lumber?
Neah I had an order for 20' gunbarrel straight 4 x 4's. Whole lot easier when you're carving them out of big stable old growth logs... no need to oversaw and edge just carve them off and feed them into the moulder the right way and they came out about as straight as you'd ever get over that length.
My truck is an ACCO... "day cab" International COE, about the same half bunk area as a Hino. It does a job I guess, really only there for my convenience.... deliveries, pick up short loads of logs, shift my own skidder around etc etc. Need to put a crane back on it by rights but truth is I've either got to upgrade to more axles or get away from trucks altogether. It's really convenient but it's expensive convenience too.
Whole heap of thoughts there about carts and horses and the need to upgrade the mill capacity rather than the support equipment but without better support equipment then more mill is futile, and capital outlay vs returns, time costs, core business vs essential support services and where you draw lines around vertical integration and... and... and. Thats a whole topic by itself yeah?
Quote from: WDH on February 06, 2021, 08:15:17 PM
DanG!
Awesome!!! I love white oak, especially quarter sawing the big clear ones!
Another 500' of cedar going out in the morning.
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I started sawing cedar when I bought my first mill because it was easy to saw. It's turning into a pretty good money maker now. I'm averaging 2000' a month. I was just buying 1000' of logs at a time, but I bought my first tractor trailer load this week. It sells as fast as I can get it off the mill. Yellow pine is selling good right now too. Just not enough hours in a day to get it all done!
Any idea what that ERC is being used for? Was there a lot of demand for it before you started supplying it or did the demand develop because you made it available. Just curious 'cause it seems like a lot of demand for green rough sawn erc and it sounds like you're the main source. Good for you no matter what.
This load is going to a customer who builds raised bed gardens and greenhouses out of it. He sells and installs them in higher end neighborhoods in and around Charlotte NC. He is by far my biggest customer. He buys 1000'+ every month. He had a couple other suppliers, but now buys exclusively from me. The rest is in smaller size orders but the demand seems to be steady right now. I think I got lucky and started offering a product that people want but not many mills supply.
I haven't cut a lot of cedar, but I may start if I can keep up a supply of logs. I bought 13 logs a few weeks ago with the intent to cut them and sell them. I sold the first load as soon as I posted it. Today i cut the rest of the logs and messaged a guy who wanted my first load, but was too late. He wants to come and get it all tomorrow. It may not be high priced like walnut, but it sure seems to sell fast. My problem with milling it is all the slab waste. Can't give it to may parents as firewood, so I will have to spend time burning it. Maybe there is someone out there who wants the stuff though.
Milling this morning was not without its trials. Lube jug was frozen, so I put another one up there. Still had ice somewhere in the line. Finally I just started milling with the valve open and within a few minutes it started flowing. I was using a mix of water and RV anitfreeze, because thats what I had. When done today I brought the jugs into the garage. Then as usual, I hit a nail on the last log. At least it was snowing a little to add to the ambiance.
Quote from: firefighter ontheside on February 08, 2021, 08:37:35 PM
I haven't cut a lot of cedar, but I may start if I can keep up a supply of logs. I bought 13 logs a few weeks ago with the intent to cut them and sell them. I sold the first load as soon as I posted it. Today i cut the rest of the logs and messaged a guy who wanted my first load, but was too late. He wants to come and get it all tomorrow. It may not be high priced like walnut, but it sure seems to sell fast. My problem with milling it is all the slab waste. Can't give it to may parents as firewood, so I will have to spend time burning it. Maybe there is someone out there who wants the stuff though.
Milling this morning was not without its trials. Lube jug was frozen, so I put another one up there. Still had ice somewhere in the line. Finally I just started milling with the valve open and within a few minutes it started flowing. I was using a mix of water and RV anitfreeze, because thats what I had. When done today I brought the jugs into the garage. Then as usual, I hit a nail on the last log. At least it was snowing a little to add to the ambiance.
I tried giving the slab waste away to anyone who wanted it but it became a nuisance with people showing up and digging through the whole pile just to get a couple pieces and leaving a mess. Now I just burn it. Keep a fire burning while I'm sawing and every time I get a load on the forks I add it to the fire. Luckily cedar burns pretty fast. Even green. Just be sure to keep the fire a couple hundred feet away from the mill!
it is not good for heat in a stove, but ok for chimenea, firepit ect. you could package up and put it on a pallet by the road with an honor system. it smells nice when it burns. I have made some quarter inch thick 12 inch long planks for grilling.
Makes good firepit wood too. Burns quick with a nice flame. Crowd pleaser. Any way it gets gone is a good way though.
Interesting how these local demands emerge when there's a source of lumber.
That could be a good idea. If I get any amount of money and don't spend much more time turning it into firewood size than transporting it to a spot to burn and tending it, it would be worth it.
put a 5 dollar price tag on a bundle, and maybe then folks will steal it. :D :D :D. still get rid of it. or call and text your friends with firepits and such. I had an old partner from Wichita drive up with a trailer and I gave him what I call junk wood. I have it in crates, and also give it to the boy scouts for campfires. tell them the cedar smoke kills covid 19 . :)
Could you chip up the cedar slabs and sell them for animal bedding?
Doc - you might want to check but I am pretty sure that ERC is not the cedar you want to use for grilling, it kills more than the Covid.
Quote from: Southside on February 08, 2021, 11:25:53 PM
Doc - you might want to check but I am pretty sure that ERC is not the cedar you want to use for grilling, it kills more than the Covid.
As far as toxicity goes is ERC different from WRC? WRC sold for grilling planks around here. Have used it for some bbq'd trout. Pretty tasty! Need to soak the wood though or else it go up in flames
Quote from: firefighter ontheside on February 08, 2021, 08:37:35 PM
I haven't cut a lot of cedar, but I may start if I can keep up a supply of logs. I bought 13 logs a few weeks ago with the intent to cut them and sell them. I sold the first load as soon as I posted it. Today i cut the rest of the logs and messaged a guy who wanted my first load, but was too late. He wants to come and get it all tomorrow. It may not be high priced like walnut, but it sure seems to sell fast. My problem with milling it is all the slab waste. Can't give it to may parents as firewood, so I will have to spend time burning it. Maybe there is someone out there who wants the stuff though.
Milling this morning was not without its trials. Lube jug was frozen, so I put another one up there. Still had ice somewhere in the line. Finally I just started milling with the valve open and within a few minutes it started flowing. I was using a mix of water and RV anitfreeze, because thats what I had. When done today I brought the jugs into the garage. Then as usual, I hit a nail on the last log. At least it was snowing a little to add to the ambiance.
FFOTS,
There are guys on the Internet getting pretty good money for Deer Blinds constructed out of Cedar Slabs. I had often thought they would be effective for that purpose due to their aroma. Being on the "softer" side, I would think they nail or screw pretty easily. Maybe something like that?
Steve
the slabs can be put up on the side and sliced into "mountain siding" thin and live edge to make the deer blinds. no strait lines and natural camo.
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All great ideas if I were to do a volume of cedar. My dad had mentioned the deer blind siding idea. Right now I don't have enough to do even a small blind. I may cut it up into firewood size and try to sell.
funny how people are.
My burn pile slabs and junk get burned on a regular basis but lately it has been too dry to burn always had people come by wanting a few junk slabs for fire wood, couldn't hardly give it away. Decided to do a little reverse psychology and put a hefty price on the waste of $25.00 per truck load, all you can load and haul.
What came next was an explosion of people wanting to get this "great deal".
Have several campgrounds around here and they send a truck about 3 times a week for their "great deal"
Not going to get rich on it but sure helps with the beverage bill smiley_hellow_im_here
Well, it looks like I'll have no shortage of slabs. When my wife delivered the load this morning the customer ordered another 600'. And I got an email for 400' of random width.
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funny how people are.
My burn pile slabs and junk get burned on a regular basis but lately it has been too dry to burn always had people come by wanting a few junk slabs for fire wood, couldn't hardly give it away. Decided to do a little reverse psychology and put a hefty price on the waste of $25.00 per truck load, all you can load and haul.
What came next was an explosion of people wanting to get this "great deal".
Have several campgrounds around here and they send a truck about 3 times a week for their "great deal"
Not going to get rich on it but sure helps with the beverage bill smiley_hellow_im_here
That's what I did. I used to pile and burn my slabs till I started advertising $25 per truck/trailer load and U-load. When a guy pulled up in a small pick up and only loaded level with the side I did not have the heart to charge even that so I told him $10. I have not had to burn a slab since and I now have help loading and removing it. About half the time they get it right beside the mill. The rest of the time I will have moved it with my tractor and small FEL to a central site. I usually help load but that is as much for the social aspect as anything else. Two old brothers get most of it and they saw it up into 10-12 inch pieces. I took them a couple of sawhorses out there to help. Watching, visiting and listening to them is better than going to a comedy show.
I'm not proud it gets cut up on the slab rack and burned through the wood furnace with all the other slabs when I am around in the evening to feed it a couple times, BTUs are BTUs. I put good wood in for over nights and morning before work, burn the lighter stuff when I am around.
If you had enough volume....
I think the campfire wood bundles for pine and cedar it wouldn't be a bad option, it should be a way to avoid EAB regulations and such. Maybe you could get a scout group to sell them as a fund raiser and you could claim them as a donation. :)
I agree with WV Sawmiller you do meet some very interesting and entertaining people. A great time to take a break and enjoy the little pleasures of life talking to people and their experiences.
QuoteLube jug was frozen, so I put another one up there. Still had ice somewhere in the line. Finally I just started milling with the valve open and within a few minutes it started flowing. I was using a mix of water and RV anitfreeze, because thats what I had. When done today I brought the jugs into the garage.
I take my water jug inside at the end of every day after sawing, I've had it freeze solid too many times. My original one developed cracks and started to leak (possibly from exposure to the elephants? ???)
Had to use some 100% silicone to patch it until a new one arrived.
Note on slabs, If you sell lumber and natural edge slabs, keep a stack of the bark pieces close by. More than once I've had customers walk over and ask "how much for some of these?" ;D
yep one mans trash another mans treasure
A guy came this morning and bought all of the cedar I milled yesterday. I tried to give him some of the slabs, but he said no thanks. Oh well. I tried.
Milled some white oak 1x6 for a guy who wanted them for a small trailer deck. It was 17 deg when I started and is now 22deg.
Red pine framing lumber 2x6x10 and 2x8x10 for an order.
2 cords of firewood cut and split loaded in firewood bags.
It snowed all day.
I thought the Goat showed up after lunch the Kohler 38hp gas started running odd.
I was like oh my no !
No blinking light.
Changed out the spark plugs and it was back running great.
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@Southside (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=24297) we (someone) have had this discussion before. you know i would not want anyone hurt, but i gave about 200 of them for Christmas a few years back, and no one got sick. they make a concentrated cedar oil, and i think it would be bad to ingest. but the fish tastes great. no one has complained, and have gotten many thanks and compliments. i guess all the dead docs never called or texted. :D . i remember trying to find info. last time. i think the flavor is from the smoke, and the volatile stuff goes up in smoke. I will review. better safe than sorry. @GeneWengert-WoodDoc (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=20498) .
Eastern Red Cedar Berries, A Touch of Natural Flavor - Eat The Planet (https://eattheplanet.org/eastern-red-cedar-a-touch-of-natural-flavor/)
Let me know what you find out. We had been asked to make a bunch for a couple stores that carry our meat but found info that suggested otherwise so we made Maple, Poplar, and Cherry instead.
looks like eating the oil concentrate is bad, and smaller amounts might make you sick. the indians used it for tea and such as described. I have never felt sick, and I think the amount in the smoke does not constitute a threat. we will keep looking. sounds like most of the US trees are safe. in Europe maybe not, and is usually not the upright variety.
Bruno--still crankin' with all this weather! Good for you. BTW, notice your hydraulic lift arm and pad are under the snow. Be sure to clean out under those lift arms: snow/ice/frozen sawdust can get in there and the arm will push the mess down so that it breaks off the velocity fuse at the bottom by the cylinder. Been there, done that. The pressure of the arm pushing frozen sawdust into the pad actually bent the little metal protector tab right into the cylinder. At the end of each days' sawing in Winter, I lift the arms, clean out the pad and put a wood block under each pad. No problems since. Your much newer machine may have different set up than mine: if so, disregard everything I just said. ;D. Keep up the good work. All the best, Rob.
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Finished another small order of cedar this afternoon between raindrops. Cut these from small 6-7" logs that most people wouldn't fool with. Took me about 3 hours and will bring over $300. It's always nice to have big logs, but it's nicer to turn fenceposts into $. 😁
Those look nice. I had one log the other day that would have been better used as a 4x4, but what was I gonna do with one 4x4? I was walking around our property looking at cedars today. I picked out quite a few that would make good lumber. I'll have to decide which ones would make good 4x4s. I have no love for cedars so it wouldn't hurt my feelings to remove them all.
I've got an abundance of cedars suitable for 4x4's. Finding any big enough for 8" or wider boards is tough, or at least getting them out from where they are is tough. Finding any big enough to make 10" x 10' boards without rot in the center is even harder. I have a few that big scattered around the place but all in hard to access areas. I cut a fair amount of it off the place to use in various projects. Mostly outbuildings. Want to reside the house with it B&B, but finding wide enough stuff isn't easy. So far I have enough for one side only. May have to accept narrower boards. I have one big one right up by the house but Lindy won't let me cut it even though she basically hates cedar. Her guineas nest in that one. Probably could get enough out of it to do almost another side.
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Finished another small order of cedar this afternoon between raindrops. Cut these from small 6-7" logs that most people wouldn't fool with. Took me about 3 hours and will bring over $300. It's always nice to have big logs, but it's nicer to turn fenceposts into $. 😁
Nice. Once you get rolling and get a system going it's surprising how fast the little stuff can get processed. Certainly worth it.
Thanks Rob
I broke one the first winter.
At the end of the day I lift them and clean out under them. At night I lift them up off of the ground.
I learn the hard way :D
I have been reading and learning from this forum for the past year and decided after milling for about six months, it was time for me to share.
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Welcome, really nice looking setup you have.
Yes nice setup, like those circle marks. Thanks. I used to run a Peterson 1030WPF.
Those circle marks can be a real advantage as rustic and old looking is in style. Except for people :D.
come on Danny, we never go out of style...in OUR minds! :)
My nephew who now lives in Virginia was visiting last week. I wear suspenders at the sawmill to keep my pants from falling down, and as I walked up to greet him, he said that he first thought for sure that it was "Buster", my Dad. He passed away 13 years ago, but apparently "I look just like him".
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Sawing some dimensional 2x8x12, 2x12x16,2x10x14 and some beams for a pavilion this spring. Been a little chilly around here. LOL
@WDH (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=4370) , well....you know how far nuts fall from the tree.....
Yes, the gene may be immortal.
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Sawed 800' of SYP 1x6x16s today. Customer is building a new pole barn and is using the 1x6s to hang the metal siding. He's supposed to pick it up in the morning. Called today and ordered another 600' of 1x6x12s.
I have to make small stacks because my skidsteer is broken and my little Kubota tractor will only lift about 1000 pounds.
Good job, Patrick. I sawed a few 1x6's this morning too for a barn. Later I sawed up the top of a huge longleaf pine. There were a few limbs to be cut off of this log so I halved it into 8'3" and sawed all live edge. We will likely make more out of one of these slabs than all of the dimensional lumber that that (Tom) would have made. It had a lot of heart and a little blue. We saved out one mantle just in case someone may want to see the sap run one night over their Central Florida fire place. The two other 16' logs out of this tree were sawn into wide boards a couple of weeks ago.
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Most of these are about 20" wide. The ones with a lot of blue are a little narrower. The 7° bands resharpened by Earl to 4° sawed these really flat. With this much heart and several lightered limbs that is a pretty good feat. They are now on stickers and hopefully will go into the kiln within the next six weeks. JohnM came over after work to help me manhandle them onto a stack.
Quote from: caveman on February 15, 2021, 06:42:10 PM
It had a lot of heart and a little blue. We saved out one mantle just in case someone may want to see the sap run one night over their Central Florida fire place.
Ha! So true! Drip, drip, drip.
Patrick
Hope the orders keep rolling in. Sure is rough weather to mill right now.
Woodsman and Durvin welcome! Y'all have been busy!
I like the look of that long leaf pine, very unique. Nice job guys. On another note, I've got some standing (dying) hemlock on the property. Going to fell a couple after I'm done with the white pine cut list. Logs will be 16" to 24". Any advice will be appreciated, I've only cut a couple hemlock with good success. Thanks!
Was a good day of sawing today, getting around to the larger logs from this load
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Changed up sawing order, vertical backwards first, the horizontal forwards, waste on one side, heavy stuff and firewood off to the right, and finished boards out the back. Way better this way for me, less steps and handling.
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Red Beard would not stand still for an "insta" worthy picture ;)
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So you are saying that Jeff is quicker than the Rooster?? :D
Nice whack of timbers. smiley_thumbsup
Nice set up, and nice timbers.
Nice Western Star. smiley_thumbsup
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another nice order for cedar today. This is 250' of a 650' order. Started about 3pm. Will finish in the morning. I love cedar. Easy sawing and easy money!
Well, its not much but I finally have a post for this thread. Only the second log I have sawed this year almost entirely due to our weather. Today was the 3rd really nice day in a row and of course it is to start back raining tomorrow. The mud is what is stopping me for the most part. I've got 3 confirmed customers in backlog and another big order or two in the works that should be confirmed in the next few weeks.
I cut down a small ash a couple weeks ago for firewood and found the butt log was green and better shape than I thought so I saved it for tomato stakes. I was able to get baby John up there and bring it down about noon and hauled it to the mill in the lot. I meant to cut it at 10' but somehow I bucked it to just over 9'. I sawed it into 1X1 strips then cut them into 4' and 5' stakes with my circular saw set on a 45* angle. I meant to get 2- 5' stakes. I got about 4.5 dozen of each and had a dozen or so other strips I had not cut so when finished I had about 11.5 dozen stakes.
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About a 12" diameter log - poorly bucked. I need to have a stern talking to that logger and probably cut his pay or something appropriate.
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Finished stickers ready to be cut in half at an angle to make stakes. The longer ones are a couple of red oak edging I dragged out of the slab pile. Easily $80 or more worth of tomato stakes from a small low grade ash log.
I got to use my little ATV cart today that I just built new sides for it. It had ragged metal sides they were a safety hazard. I went through my 4/4 RO pile and selected 3 boards that were pretty ratty looking and not something that would ever likely sell but they were fine for my needs here. I also had 2- 4' long 2X4s that were perfect for the stanchions. While real low grade wood it looks like it is going to work fine and will likely outlast me. (Who was that back in the peanut gallery that commented with my record he had a couple of bananas with brown spots that would likely outlast me? :( :D :D)
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While I was piddling out there I went ahead and cleaned up that small slab pile from a single RO log I cut a few weeks ago. I was hoping somebody would drive by and see it and want the kindling. If they had they could have had it just to keep me from double handling it.
I truly hate posting pictures on here....no idea why these posted sideways as they're right side up on my computer. I should be getting these logs in a week or so, oak, 36 inches wide at the base, each approximately 50-70 feet long. The larger sections I'm going to mill into live edge slabs with my chainsaw. The smaller stuff I'm going to hold on to for a couple of months and maybe get milled into dimensional lumber.
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Het Howard, weather or not, looks like you are probably a good 4 weeks ahead of me on getting started. Good for you! You cut your stakes at 1" square? I don't think you we could drive a 1" in without splintering it here with all the rocks. I cut my 6/4 square. Folks seem to like that better for around here.
I like that ide of whacking a single edge point on and getting two stake in one cut. I may look into that this year.
And no, that weren't me in the back of the room neither. ;D
@WDH (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=4370) This stuff sure has some nice color! :)
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Tom,
I did not call any names but if you felt guilty ... :D
I guess most folks must till their soil around here for a foot or so and that is enough to get a 1" stake in the ground. We are not running short on rocks! I actually cut these at 1-1/16" but advertise them as "Approximately 1" square and approximately 5' long hardwood". Most I have cut have been ash but just calling them hardwood lets me use hickory or oak or even poplar if I run out of other wood. I don't normally cut my oaks as more valuable for wildlife. I do have about 25-30 feet of uprooted hickory still on the stump up in the pasture I will likely cut into tomato stakes - maybe tomorrow if the rain runs a little late getting here. I have one guy who has called several times and even scheduled to come once to get me to cut them into handle stock for his blacksmith tools but he is all talk. They will sell for tomato stakes and that is what matters.
I think a typical T-post driver works fine to put them in. You could easily make one with a piece of galvanized pipe, some old tire weights and weld a pair of handles on the sides. I started out making them 6' long but people said they were too hard to drive up. The 4' will sell but 5' seems most preferred. A V shaped point or round tip would be better but not worth the extra time and effort. My tomato stakes are largely a salvage project.
I needed another lumber pallet. So turned a 12 foot SYP into 2x6s. Stickers screwed on. Also screwed on sacrificial 4 foot pallets underneath.
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hugs, Brandi
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Sawed these while trying to salvage some lumber from some really ugly cedar logs.
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Sawed these while trying to salvage some lumber from some really ugly cedar logs.
I droll every time Y'all post ERC photos. But these are over the top.
hugs, Brandi
Black Locust was on the deck today. Filling out orders .
Logs coming in before the road bans get put up.
I'm on a state road but most loggers shut down for mud season.
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Quote from: Bruno of NH on February 26, 2021, 04:28:03 PM
Black Locust was on the deck today. Filling out orders .
Logs coming in before the road bans get put up.
I'm on a state road but most loggers shut down for mud season.
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I'd be interested to see what black locust looks like on the inside! The bark reminds me of old growth fir or cedar maybe.
Not much sawing during the week. My full time job keeps getting in the way :) Just a few logs spread over my lunch breaks.
Made up a rain cover, was tired of the constant tarp on/tarp off situation
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Moved a few logs from A to B. Nice to get two logs in one turn !
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Quote from: Bruno of NH on February 26, 2021, 04:28:03 PM
Black Locust was on the deck today. Filling out orders .
Logs coming in before the road bans get put up.
I'm on a state road but most loggers shut down for mud season.
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I'd be interested to see what black locust looks like on the inside! The bark reminds me of old growth fir or cedar maybe.
I will get some pictures.
To me it has a white oak grain look.
The color is brownish .
Sometimes you just have to try to get butter from a duck. Yesterday evening a several time repeat customer brought by some Paroda (Monkey Ear Tree) logs for me to saw. The first two logs sawed quick and easy. Then the wonky, won't roll logs that were probably limbs yesterday were sawn. John is being a good Daddy and baseball coach today so this was a solo effort.
Anyway, this is what I ended up with. The customer is supposed to be bringing some pecan logs later (oh, boy!).
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This is the one he wanted a mantle out of (butter from a duck).
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Quote from: quadracutter222 on February 26, 2021, 04:38:38 PM
Not much sawing during the week. My full time job keeps getting in the way :) Just a few logs spread over my lunch breaks.
Made up a rain cover, was tired of the constant tarp on/tarp off situation
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Moved a few logs from A to B. Nice to get two logs in one turn !
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Nice set up there. Not to change topics really but what vintage is your Long 5n1. I have a Long 3pt hitch backhoe from way back in the day.
I milled a cherry sort of like that yesterday. It had 2 turns in it. Not much useful came out of it, but someone will pay for some 2" live edge slabs that I got out of it. Then I had a very straight, not huge red oak, but something about the tight growth rings made me try to get some quarter sawn out of it. Not many true quarter sawn boards, but the ones I got were very cool. Finally I had a nice size silver maple that was a little past its prime, but I got a lot of 5/4 1x12's that may turn out nice if they dry straight.
Picked up an interesting log today that I'm going to turn into live edge slabs....if I even get one slab that doesnt twist itself to death I'll be pretty please. I believe it is two Osage Orange trees that have grown/twisted together. They've been laying for a rather long time as can be seen by the top and bottom. I'm going to cut into 3 inch thick live edge slabs and hope for the best...even if they come apart where they've grown together (which I fully expect to happen), I may be able to eventually incorporate both parts into an epoxy table or something.
Log is just over 9 feet long. Base is about 38 inches tall and 40 inches wide, while the top is about 52 inches wide at the widest. Hopefully I'll be milling in the next couple of weeks (I'll probably livestream it on facebook if anyone gets bored and wants to check in on me, haha). I added some pictures of some slabs from the smaller portion of this tree, just in case folks haven't seen osage orange before (I hadn't before today).
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Quote from: donbj on February 27, 2021, 01:54:56 PM
Quote from: quadracutter222 on February 26, 2021, 04:38:38 PM
Not much sawing during the week. My full time job keeps getting in the way :) Just a few logs spread over my lunch breaks.
Made up a rain cover, was tired of the constant tarp on/tarp off situation
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Moved a few logs from A to B. Nice to get two logs in one turn !
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Nice set up there. Not to change topics really but what vintage is your Long 5n1. I have a Long 3pt hitch backhoe from way back in the day.
It's 70's something, I can't recall exactly now.
Sat for 10 years, and started right up with a cleaned out fuel system and a fresh battery. Had to add a boat fuel tank as the original had inches of sludge and rust. She can move some pretty big stuff, and no more on/off with those forks. Used to tong everything.
Gotta remember to take some pictures of the hacking and stacking part this time.
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Also the crane getting it onto the mill, because my gear ain't big enough to handle this one.:-\
Please do take some pictures of that big boy! :)
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Sawing some pine. I normally cut on my buddies property because he has a lot more land than I do. They are clearing some land across the street from me. So I made a deal and got these to the house. These will be for a shop for my buddy. So, still a hobby. I measured And marked the end of each log, the size and board feet. I'm going to try to get a better feel for the board feet versus log situation. A couple of these logs have a bow in them, I'm not sure how much I have to deduct for that bow. Lots to learn.
Some Sunday sawing with my daughter. She wants to build a Barn for some of her animals her and Grandaughter have. She's falling behind on stacking the lumber. I have added the power feed to the mill recently , what a great addition I only use the mill for personal use so I couldn't justify the cost for a hydraulic mill so manual it is with power feed. We have Fun. (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/35341/IMG_0004~1.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1614580377)
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Quote from: Dan R on March 01, 2021, 01:39:46 AM
Some Sunday sawing with my daughter. She wants to build a Barn for some of her animals her and Grandaughter have. She's falling behind on stacking the lumber. I have added the power feed to the mill recently , what a great addition I only use the mill for personal use so I couldn't justify the cost for a hydraulic mill so manual it is with power feed. We have Fun. <br
DanR,
How do you like sawing on the concrete? Does the sawdust give it a little "cushion"?
hugs, Brandi
@burdman_22 (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=54542), I've sawn my share of Osage. Unfortunately, I think those two logs are going to separate either while moving them or when you cut them. Also you said they've been down a long time. I've found that Osage that has been laying for years drying out, gets much harder than newly cut Osage. In fact I'd say that newly cut Osage It not really difficult to cut with 4° bands, and you want a less aggressive band like that, trust me. I've had some Osage that I cut 16 months ago and it's not going too bad. They are definitely drier than when cut. It's taking about one band per log. I'm not removing bark, but they are not dirty either. In the past I cut Osage, but also took two logs that were on the ground that had been cut years before and they were a nightmare, like trying to cut through concrete - waves etc. I won't touch old logs like that anymore. They will even dull chainsaw chains really fast too.
First log on the mill of 2021 and immediately threw a drive belt lol. Red oak down from the hurricanes (water or laurel not sure) destined to be very short 2x4s. I know the ramps aren't properly attached but the log was too short to fit them properly. I've got a long line of logs waiting behind this one.
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Slabbed up some claro walnut in a small backyard recently. This was the biggest walnut I've milled so far — about 1500 board feet total with the biggest slabs running about 40" wide and 15' long.
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As is customary with walnut the homeowners had filled the tree with high carbon steel and towards the end of the log I had to resort to plunging some sections out entirely with my chainsaw.
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It was a long job due to the size of the slabs and the confined working area. I did this job mostly solo over the course of 8 days and rented a mini track loader to offload and stack each slab. Then I rented a telehandler on the last day to load the stacks up onto a tractor trailer.
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A customer has been coming to me about every 3 weeks for about 3 months to buy some lumber. She doesn't buy a ton, but usually about $100 worth each time. She bought all the maple I had a while back(wasn't much) and yesterday some walnut and cherry. I asked what she's been doing with it and she said she made toys. She sent these pictures and said she has been very busy making toys and has been very happy with the wood she has gotten from me. She's making some very nice toys.
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What a great thing for your wood to turn into. Somebody transformed it into fun. :)
@Brad_bb (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=6191) I agree, the slabs will likely come apart, but there's no harm in trying (even if they come apart they'll likely be pretty. M<y biggest concern is metal, as these were in between two houses....we'll see. I'm taking three chainsaw chains with me, hopefully if there isn't any metal three chains will be enough. I'm envisioning only getting 2-3 cuts per chain. I'm also hopeful that the wood will not have hardened all that much even though its been down for a while, since it couldn't have dried much (drying+wood shrinkage is what makes the wood get harder...correct?). I'll post some pictures of whatever happens....even if it is just a destroyed chain, haha
I realize now I said "no harm in trying" AND mentioned destroyed chains in the same post... :)
If the slabs come apart they sound like it is because they want to become a River Table. Sounds like you just need to find the right woodworker who realizes and agrees with that idea. Good luck.
Brandi,
We live on what's called the Sunshine Coast of British Columbia but it has been known to rain here a bit. I put the mill on concrete for a good base and to keep my feet dry this time of year. Also when I'm finished for the day I sweep,shovel then use the leaf blower to give the mill a cleaning and blow the slab off. Plan to finish the shed and install a door when the weather improves.
Dan
This morning sawed some charcuterie stock for a resin artist. Those people are resourceful, they scrounge free logs, and kiln dry in home made mini kilns. I don't much care for the work as the logs are usually small and crooked.
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This was up next.
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What the Mega hook is made for. Yes, I could have used the mill hydraulics but I had the log sorta balanced between the fork lift tongs and the mill to trim off branch stubs and it was just easier to use the hook.
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@boardmaker (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=9292) was asking on a PM if the two plane clamp hydraulic motor was strong enough to move around cants. I lifted the log with the hydraulic cylinder and pulled it straight to the log stops with the clamp motor.
The log was 34" in diameter at the widest point and 19' long. Since my throat is only 32", to make sure I didn't get stuck, I pulled the band and ran the carriage down the log. 1" to spare on this side and the other was pushing bark.
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The log is pushed over the backstops to give me as much clearance as possible.
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15 minutes sawing, 10 cuts, and 374 board foot. Took an hour to pull vines and trim branch stubs.
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Quote from: Dan R on March 01, 2021, 11:34:42 PM
Brandi,
We live on what's called the Sunshine Coast of British Columbia but it has been known to rain here a bit. I put the mill on concrete for a good base and to keep my feet dry this time of year. Also when I'm finished for the day I sweep,shovel then use the leaf blower to give the mill a cleaning and blow the slab off. Plan to finish the shed and install a door when the weather improves.
Dan
Dan,
Thanks. I am gonna concrete my shed after building it. But I like the idea of leaving some sawdust to walk on.
hugs, Brandi
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Milled some hard maple I was going to cut for firewood. Glad I milled it.
We have had real nice weather so I got out today and cut up 4 hickory logs for tomato stakes today. The tree uprooted 2 years ago and finished falling last Fall so I cut the top and limbs for firewood and cut 3-10 and one 7' log off the trunk. I don't get much call for hickory lumber so I cut it into 1"X1" strips then cut them in half at a 45* angle with a circle saw leaving 2-5' stakes with each cut with a one-sided point. I bundle in dozens and tie with old hay strings and sell them to a local plant grower and a few at flea markets and such.
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Hickory logs at the mill
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Strips from the first 2 logs - these made 18 dz stakes. I have the strips from the last 2 on the trailer to finish tomorrow an likely 8-10 dz more from there. I cut the 7' log to 5' when I got it on the loader arms.
Not much sawing yet this week, darn day job again. Did manage to get one log dealt with after school, with help from my up and coming tail man.
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Sawed some slabs and ovals from some cedar that was laying in the firewood pile.
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Should be able to make a little pocket money from these.
Friday morning going down.
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I finished pointing and bundling the rest of my stakes and ended up with 38 dozen +2 stakes. I think 4 dozen were 4' and the rest were 5'. I also cut up a little over a 50 lb feed sack full of 1"X1" cut-offs 6-12 inches long I will try to sell as smoker wood. I still have the slabs and edgings to cut up and package. Smoker wood is one of those things that will sit there a long time till the right person asks about it then he will come buy it all. I am tempted to save my hickory sawdust separate and see if it would sell for smokers. I'd think you could throw a pint or so on hot charcoal and it should stink up the smoker pretty good.
Had a few min before dark this evening, the help wasn't too interested....
It had been a while since I had time to fire it up, the operator is maybe a little rusty. Not pictured is the blade half way in the log that's on the mill. Good news is I stopped just before trimming a back stop, I'll work on getting it backed out of the cut tomorrow ::)
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Nice helper crew 👍
Nothing exciting from me today.
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Less than 1Mbf so minimum sawing rate.
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10X10's and the side lumber made 2X8's, 10's, & 12's. Well I did get a $100 tip so I guess that was excitement!! Started sawing at ~1:00 and finished at 4:00.
If my customer can get a tailgunner, next week will be a three day, 55 mile road trip for a several times repeat customer. We'll spend the nights at the Cabin. :)
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on March 04, 2021, 07:09:03 PMSmoker wood is one of those things that will sit there a long time till the right person asks about it then he will come buy it all. I am tempted to save my hickory sawdust separate and see if it would sell for smokers.
I save my cherry, hickory and pecan planer chips for use on the grill. We had London Broil over hickory for supper tonight.
Quote from: Magicman on March 04, 2021, 09:47:23 PM
Nothing exciting from me today.
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Less than 1Mbf so minimum sawing rate.
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10X10's and the side lumber made 2X8's, 10's, & 12's. Well I did get a $100 tip so I guess that was excitement!! Started sawing at ~1:00 and finished at 4:00.
If my customer can get a tailgunner, next week will be a three day, 55 mile road trip for a several times repeat customer. We'll spend the nights at the Cabin. :)
Lynn,
Shade can be exciting. At least a positive.
hugs, Brandi
Certainly a beautiful day for milling in this part of the country. Looks the same as Mississippi.
Was a good day to split firewood in Alabama. I let the mill rest. :D
Trying to get logs that are closest to the mill sawed so I can be ready to work on a new idea I had. I sawed some crooked cherry logs that have punky sapwood, but still some nice slabs. I had some shortleaf pine logs sitting there too that had been there for a few years. I had cut down the tree to make room for the mill carport. Out of an 18" log all I could salvage was a 6x6 and even that had some bad spots. Kinda made me sad that I had wasted such a nice log. I wish I had more time for sawing and space for drying, then I wouldn't waste any logs. That goes to my new project. I'm going to use some pallet racks I have to build a shed, essentially connected to the sawmill shed. I will use pallet racks for the structure on one end, a side and then have to put up a beam on the other end. This will create stacking space for lumber, will better protect the mill from weather and will create a space to park either the tractor or the mule.
I was quarantined from work for the last several days even though I tested negative last Friday evening. We had several medical events in our family this week to deal with but in the interim, I got a little sawing done. We worked through some longleaf logs that have been lying around a little too long so they were slabbed heavy and the burn pile has some thicker slabs in it. Also, some Paroda (monkey ear) was sawn for a customer who showed up with more logs and no money to pay for his slabs...we made an amicable agreement and we now have several paroda slabs to dry and sell. My son in law and daughter picked up some pine to add a storage room on to their barn. I told them if the blue stain pine did not suit them that I would saw something different but it is hung and they like it. We also got some more pecan logs this week that we will saw on shares.
Some of the logs I've sawn in the past few days have lain around too long and the boards they yielded ended up in the cull pile. They will work for dunnage, pallets or various projects but it makes me ill that I let good logs deteriorate to this point.
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That blue pine looks good.
Danny, it (blue stained pine) reminds me of the pine that you had that was used in the church a few years ago. The kids are happy with it and I told them to get some 1x off of the cull pile to put a floor in that part of the barn. Tomorrow I need to knock out some 4x4's and possibly cut some live edged slabs out of some pecan and paroda logs a guy dropped off a couple of days ago.
No sawing today. I spent 8-5 snaring hogs so a vet could pull blood for brucellosis and pseudorabies on hogs for a show that I'm on a committee for that will occur later in the month.
Wood bowl blanks.
This is a follow-up on my post in General Woodworking about cutting blanks. See pic for various ways to hold the work down. Thanks to Ijohnsaw (New cookie cutting jig for manual mill in Sawmills and Milling (forestryforum.com) (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=103296.msg1675408#msg1675408)) for his jig which I copied.
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Its a little hard to see below but there is an arm at 45 degrees to support the vertical limb for cookie sawing
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@caveman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=12883) been there done that, there's worse jobs, but its still not very fun.... It's much better to be the one drawing the blood than running the snare.
I did a mobile job this weekend 9 hours on Saturday and 3 hours Sunday. Tulip poplar for board and batten siding. Customer had a loader and 2 offbearers. Did 2700'. I didn't have to cut any battens as the customer said he would have his guys cut down some of the 10" boards on a table saw. We ran out of logs yesterday so I'm probably going to go back on Thursday or Friday to saw some more.
I am on a 60 mile road trip and today it was Walnut.
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Yup, rugged looking and some have been down for a couple of years.
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We kept plugging along. My tailgunner seen here ready to work.
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Today's yield.
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All was sawn 4/4 and 12/4. Only two Walnut logs left and they will be sawn 4/4.
Tomorrow's logs will be Ash and then Red Oak Wednesday. I think that there will be a few Sassafras logs.
Nice looking lumber. I've got a friend who saws walnut 5 days a week on a wm lt300. I can't even fathom how many bf a year. I've seen walnut logs much uglier than that on his yard. Sometimes the ugly ones saw out beautiful lumber.
Hey @Magicman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=10011) , I use the hollow ends or ends to make cat passageway covers that look natural. I use about 1/3 of the log face about 20 or so inches long and if it doesn't have a natural opening, I create one. I use my grinder disc carver to shape the hole and taper the top part into the wall. It's then fasted to the wall over the cat opening. I have about 8 pieces right now and just started carving. Just one thing those hollow pieces can be used for. You could give the owner suggestions on what they can do with those pieces that you end up end cutting. Also chair backs(for kids chairs), or a serving box/basket with handle.
Brad_bb, cat passageway's were not on this customer's cut list. I got 4/4 lumber from all of them. ;D
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This is some of the Ash logs that I sawed today.
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They were all sawn into wall paneling.
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No picture of the logs but this is a whack of Sassafras 4/4 lumber. The total sawing today scaled 1830 bf.
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This whack of mostly Red Oak is all that is left to saw on this job.
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PatD had this Prime NY Strip ready for me when I got back to the Cabin. food3
Workin hard and eating good 👍
Awful pretty wood there MM. I love sawing ash - the smell always reminds me of an old bee tree smell. I did not know we had it in the south growing up. I guess I just misidentified it.
I cut a large poplar tree and dragged it down to fill an order for my plumber for some 1X4 strips to go under a metal roof for a camper shed. The bulk will be for stock.
I am loaded up now to go saw for probably the only Australian couple in our county. Should be a 1 maybe 2 day job. When done I may move 8 miles away and saw a bunch of 20'9" live edge logs for a timber frame extension if the lady has enough ready to saw.
Quote from: Magicman on March 09, 2021, 07:27:35 PM
Brad_bb, cat passageway's were not on this customer's cut list. I got 4/4 lumber from all of them. ;D
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This is some of the Ash logs that I sawed today.
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They were all sawn into wall paneling.
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No picture of the logs but this is a whack of Sassafras 4/4 lumber. The total sawing today scaled 1830 bf.
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This whack of mostly Red Oak is all that is left to saw on this job.
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PatD had this Prime NY Strip ready for me when I got back to the Cabin. food3
PatD gets a very honorable mention!
Quote from: burdman_22 on February 25, 2021, 08:24:11 PM
I truly hate posting pictures on here....no idea why these posted sideways as they're right side up on my computer.
@burdman_22 (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=54542) The answer is pretty simple once you understand the reasoning.
Inside your camera is a sensor that detects if the camera is turned vertical or horizontal. It tags this bit of information to the photograph. It works out really well when a piece of software (like the one on your computer) can read this extra bit of tagged information so that it automatically puts your photo in the right orientation as soon as you open it. Some software works with certain cameras and some software doesn't work with any cameras in that regard.
When you go to upload that picture from your computer to Forestryforum it passes that same bit of information along that says either 'horizontal' or 'vertical' but the problem is that the software here isn't able to read that information (or maybe it can from some cameras and not others) so it's unable to determine how the photo should be oriented so it just reverts to horizontal. That's why they appear correctly on your computer by wrong here.
Thankfully it's easy to rotate the photos in your gallery. Just click on the photo to open it and there should be arrows below that let you rotate.
Alan
Sawed up my first load for the new kiln when I get the chamber built.
5/4×12×12 clear poplar.
I figured this would be a good load to learn with.
It will air dry till the kiln is ready.
They are very nice boards
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I always love to see pictures of you plugging along Bruno. smiley_thumbsup
I finished sawing this job at noon today, 6½ hours @ hourly rate and 2868 bf @ my bf. rate.
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First up was one that got QS.
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Kinda hard to get a picture but this was two 14" bookmatched QS boards.
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Some of it was mighty purdy.
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Of course my Tailgunner looked mighty purdy too!!! :D
Geez, if I'd sawed about 2,000 more bf today I'd have caught up with the MM. I almost bet I sawed as many "logs", lots of them were 6' long and 6-8 inches in diameter.
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I had an assortment of cherry, ash, cedar, wormy/ant ridden WP and even one walnut sneaked in there. The customer is Australian but fortunately I have worked around them and learned much of the language. :D
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This was one awful cedar "Trident" the customer wanted to fill the spaces between the 3 forks with epoxy so I laid them as them as flat as I could get them, shimmed under one branch and clamped then sawed in 3/4" drops till I got a flat surface with a 3 legs them flipped and clamped and ended up with 2-8/4 pieces that the customer was very pleased with.
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At the end of the day I had 5.2 engine hours on the mill for the day's work. The awful pine I cut into dimensional 2X4 & 2X6 at 1.5" X 3.5" or 5.5". I would not have saved any of it if I had sawed it at home but the customer was happy so I sawed what he asked. Rather than measure at the end of the day I just billed the minimum. About half the stuff was left live edge so on a typical "log" I seldom made more than 5-6 passes with the mill.
I started the day with a county road closed about 7-8 miles from the customer so had to backtrack and added 20 or so more miles. The good thing is that I passed my next customer so on the way home, about 4:30 pm, I called, stopped and ended up leaving the mill there set up to start sawing 21' live edge cabin logs in the morning. You have to love a customer like her. I got there and she was wearing soot stained overalls and boiling a batch of maple sap down for syrup over a 55 gallon drum with firewood for heat while 4 children under 6 years old ran about the yard riding little electric 4 wheelers, sliding on a cable on a trolley. One was shooting a toy bow with his dad's target arrow with a max range of maybe 30'. Country kids have it so much better than their urban counterparts!
It was too near dark when I finished setting up to take a photo but we will be sawing in minutes in the morning.
I hate sawing pecker poles, but I have a whack of them waiting for me in South Louisiana next week. 146 mile road trip for 40 Cypress logs.
Worst day of chainsaw milling ever. Cut through two of my own screws, bolt broke on my chainsaw mill, AND I was only able to get two slabs due to some poorly sharpened chains. I've got a guy sharpening my chains to 10 degrees now, hopefully that will make this weekend less stressful. I've also ordered a ripping chain from Granberg, hopefully it doesnt take 3 months to get here like the mill did.
Question for folks. Is it really worth it for me to pay $120 for a ripping chain? Are they really that much better? I'll know soon enough I suppose.
Also, it was my birthday yesterday and I got a pretty funny care from my 10 year old. Here's a picture of the two screws along with an untouched screw, a picture of one of the slabs I was able to get, and then pictures of the funny card (funny due to what I do for fun on the weekends...).
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I had very good luck with the granberg ripping chains.
@richhiway (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=25823) have you used ripping chains AND full chisel chains? I'm curious how much easier the cuts are going to be with a ripping chain. And how much longer (if any) the chain will last before needing sharpened again
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I set up last night in front of this stack of logs. The customer is bucking them at 20'10" so there is no extra room to play with when sawing. I removed the rear bumper and bought myself an extra couple of inches and next time will remove the front bumper for even a little more.
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As you can see here the customer has logs scattered all over the area. She needs to get them cut to length and staged like the first bunch on the scrap logs. Those loaded easily on the mill thanks to the addition of another new LogRite cant hook I bought specifically for this job.
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These are the 3 prototypes we got sawed before we lost the tractor and helpers. We confirmed the process works and what labor and MHE we need once she has the logs bucked and staged. I did not even know how to bill as we did not know how much time it will take so I offered hourly rate. That is fair to me and a much better deal for her. I keep stressing to her the more and better help she has and the more ready she is the faster we can cut her logs and the more money she saves.
I packed up about noon and came home then set up and sawed 2 decent poplar logs into 10' long 1X4's to fill an order.
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These cut real good with minimal waste. I was able to cut 2-3 cants at a time.
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Order ready, customer called and will pick them up tomorrow or Saturday. Left over side lumber was 1X13, 1X10 and a couple of 1X6's all 10' long.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on March 11, 2021, 09:12:35 PM
I set up last night in front of this stack of logs. The customer is bucking them at 20'10" so there is no extra room to play with when sawing. I removed the rear bumper and bought myself an extra couple of inches and next time will remove the front bumper for even a little more.
WV,
That is how you do 20'10". Here I thought 20' 6" inches was tight. Thanks for the tip.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: longtime lurker on February 28, 2021, 06:10:38 AM
Gotta remember to take some pictures of the hacking and stacking part this time.
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Also the crane getting it onto the mill, because my gear ain't big enough to handle this one.:-\
So we banged it through this week.
Yah, it was a log, or half a log anyway because I put the top half of it through in January and this was the butt billet that was left to cut. It was wet and the loggers dozer was down for repairs so we used a pair of cranes to lift it on... 11.7 tonnes in that butt section... 25,795 lb for the metrically challenged amongst us. A pair because it was wet so they wanted to take it on the ropes and avoid some soft spots on the landing. Volume 9.636 m
3 (or 2420 BF doyle if that makes more sense to ya.) Plan A was to crane it off here and toss it under the mill but the local guy with a 20t Franna only had chains good for 8.5 tonne so...
Plan B saw him take one end on the boom, me put the big loader under the other and we got it off that way. Then we attacked it with a Lucas Mill so we could gnaw it down to a more manageable weight for the loader. (knew I shouldn't have got rid of that other Lucas ... sometimes that easy to shift big log saw is a good thing)
So we hacked it apart, same as any other log I guess - or at least any other log if you think a 4 gallon tin as a step up to a step cut in the log as a step so you can get on top of it to push the mill along is normal. I seem to do it couple times a year so it's normal for me.
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Young Benjamin doing his stuff - nothing like watching a professional at work.
Anyways we carved half of it off for an order that needed single log colour matching on some 10 x 4's. Then we tossed it into something a little easier to operate and finished the job.
Without a doubt this is the best serious hardwood log I've ever cut... nice even barrel on him and the heartshakes ran pretty straight so we didn't lose much in the middle. Got 7.1 m
3 of sawn out of him or 3003 BF of lumber.... not too bad for scale overrun with a 7/16" bit circle saw. Normally I expect at best 45% recovery, this one got 72% which is unheard of here. I was due something nice to average up some of the trash we've been sawing I suppose
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Mighta been all those big end sections maybe, first time I've ever calculated my recovery in BF against a scaled log cuz I found where I could plug in some numbers on the net and get a log scale measurement back. Normally I buy in either tonnes or cubic meters.
Anyway, job done. Back to hacking didgeridoos apart. :-\
super log there @longtime lurker (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=22746) . We struggle with the monster logs too. Had to hire a crane 2 years ago, RO that took a whole tractor trailer. Glad you got a special order out of it because those generally pay at a rate that makes the trouble worth while.
Out of curiosity, how was it loaded in the forest?
Normally just roll them over the side with a dozer off a ramp.. This time the dozer was down for repairs so we used 2 cranes... lot easier on the truck for sure. Buttress root species tend to roll with a crash thump that breaks things; there's an awful lot of patches welded onto my truck floor.
Quote from: Bindian on March 11, 2021, 11:48:11 PM
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on March 11, 2021, 09:12:35 PM
I set up last night in front of this stack of logs. The customer is bucking them at 20'10" so there is no extra room to play with when sawing. I removed the rear bumper and bought myself an extra couple of inches and next time will remove the front bumper for even a little more.
WV,
That is how you do 20'10". Here I thought 20' 6" inches was tight. Thanks for the tip.
hugs, Brandi
Brandi,
Thanks for asking. You do them very carefully! My mill will cut 21' and has two black marks looking like pieces of black electrical tape- one at the front and one at the back of the mill. The logs have to fit
exactly between those marks. Too far forward and you can't get the blade in the wood. Too far back and it won't finish the cut and that is a long way to back out of a cut. Even 1/2" over and you can't get your blade in or out of the log.
I removed the rubber bumper at the end that is held in place with a cotter key and that gave me about 2" more. I noticed there is another at the front and I will remove it next time. That should actually let me cut 21'4" or real close to it.
Other concerns are the logs must be cut/bucked perfectly square or there will be an inch or two extra unexpected length to contend with. Also when you rotate the log for the second cut (I only had to turn once since we were doing live edge cabin logs) if you are not careful they will crawl forward or backwards a fudge and get over the line.
When you load the logs you also have to raise the head and pull the debarker all the way out or the log will hit them. Once on the bed you can raise the toeboards and roll back or forward to adjust but they are very heavy. I had it with me but forgot use my Magic hook for it but if you raise the side supports all the way up and hook to the end of the log and a side support when you lower the arm you can pull the log backward a little. You should be able to pull it forward using the same technique from the back end starting with the side supports partly lowered, hook to the front end of the log then raise the side support and that should pull it to the rear. I think I have seen pics of the MagicMan moving logs forward or back this way and I will try it next time.
BTW - 21' slabs and flitches are heavy too! Lacking the pair (or more) of burly, mentally challenged off-bearer helpers we needed we generally needed 2 of us worn out, broke down old men to carry each one to be stacked. Finally I just started sliding them off on to the bed of the mill or loading arms. When finished I'd raise the toeboards to full height giving us 5-6 inches of free space for the tractor forks to get under and lift and remove first the log then we'd do the same thing with the flitches. I do not like having anyone driving heavy equipment like that at and over my mill as a poor operator can easily tear something up but the neighbor with the tractor yesterday was very careful.
Yesterday was just a concept verification day and it took us about 30 minutes per log. With properly bucked and staged logs and good help we should be able to do 3-4 per hour.
I'd start at the center and make a mark 3" above and 3" below dead center to leave/take the 6" LE log from the middle. Heart checks had to be turned horizontal to the cut or the crack would show in the log when used. From my mark I'd come up 1-1/8" at a time (we were saving true 1" side lumber) till I had the face width I wanted, stop and set my SimpleSet for 1-1/8" drops, saw off side lumber to my mark, flip, start at 6" from the bed and raise and repeat so I had the 6" log left in the middle. I had to raise the appropriate toeboard a little on the first cut to level the heart then remember to lower it once I flipped the log or I would leave a long wedge and ruin the final log.
Its not rocket science but it is tedious and heavy work.
No sawing today, but I did replace the blade guide bearings and the wheel belts. The guide bearings still rolled smoothly, but I wouldn't doubt that they are the originals so I figured now is as good a time as any. I did replace the belts a few years ago, but I had the new ones so I went ahead and changed them. I'll save the old ones for now.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on March 12, 2021, 08:53:47 AM
Quote from: Bindian on March 11, 2021, 11:48:11 PM
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on March 11, 2021, 09:12:35 PM
I set up last night in front of this stack of logs. The customer is bucking them at 20'10" so there is no extra room to play with when sawing. I removed the rear bumper and bought myself an extra couple of inches and next time will remove the front bumper for even a little more.
WV,
That is how you do 20'10". Here I thought 20' 6" inches was tight. Thanks for the tip.
hugs, Brandi
Brandi,
Thanks for asking. You do them very carefully! My mill will cut 21' and has two black marks looking like pieces of black electrical tape- one at the front and one at the back of the mill. The logs have to fit exactly between those marks. Too far forward and you can't get the blade in the wood. Too far back and it won't finish the cut and that is a long way to back out of a cut. Even 1/2" over and you can't get your blade in or out of the log.
I removed the rubber bumper at the end that is held in place with a cotter key and that gave me about 2" more. I noticed there is another at the front and I will remove it next time. That should actually let me cut 21'4" or real close to it.
Other concerns are the logs must be cut/bucked perfectly square or there will be an inch or two extra unexpected length to contend with. Also when you rotate the log for the second cut (I only had to turn once since we were doing live edge cabin logs) if you are not careful they will crawl forward or backwards a fudge and get over the line.
When you load the logs you also have to raise the head and pull the debarker all the way out or the log will hit them. Once on the bed you can raise the toeboards and roll back or forward to adjust but they are very heavy. I had it with me but forgot use my Magic hook for it but if you raise the side supports all the way up and hook to the end of the log and a side support when you lower the arm you can pull the log backward a little. You should be able to pull it forward using the same technique from the back end starting with the side supports partly lowered, hook to the front end of the log then raise the side support and that should pull it to the rear. I think I have seen pics of the MagicMan moving logs forward or back this way and I will try it next time.
BTW - 21' slabs and flitches are heavy too! Lacking the pair (or more) of burly, mentally challenged off-bearer helpers we needed we generally needed 2 of us worn out, broke down old men to carry each one to be stacked. Finally I just started sliding them off on to the bed of the mill or loading arms. When finished I'd raise the toeboards to full height giving us 5-6 inches of free space for the tractor forks to get under and lift and remove first the log then we'd do the same thing with the flitches. I do not like having anyone driving heavy equipment like that at and over my mill as a poor operator can easily tear something up but the neighbor with the tractor yesterday was very careful.
Yesterday was just a concept verification day and it took us about 30 minutes per log. With properly bucked and staged logs and good help we should be able to do 3-4 per hour.
I'd start at the center and make a mark 3" above and 3" below dead center to leave/take the 6" LE log from the middle. Heart checks had to be turned horizontal to the cut or the crack would show in the log when used. From my mark I'd come up 1-1/8" at a time (we were saving true 1" side lumber) till I had the face width I wanted, stop and set my SimpleSet for 1-1/8" drops, saw off side lumber to my mark, flip, start at 6" from the bed and raise and repeat so I had the 6" log left in the middle. I had to raise the appropriate toeboard a little on the first cut to level the heart then remember to lower it once I flipped the log or I would leave a long wedge and ruin the final log.
Its not rocket science but it is tedious and heavy work.
Yep, found that out with my long, bigger logs. When I turned it, it moved a little and I was out of travel with 1/2" left to saw. To bump it back into position, I raised the toe boards and pushed it back with the telehander and had the tractor's grapple to stop it where I wanted it.
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It is time consuming, but doable. Can't wait til I get it in the shed and the 6 foot or so extension installed.
hugs, Brandi
Brandi,
I tried to convince the customer to cut them to 20'6" so I had 6" to play with but she keyed on that 21' max and decided she needed that extra 4" of house space I guess. I guess I'm lucky she left me 2" of play. If she'd known about the bumper space she would have left them 21'. We pushed these with the toeboards up. It is much easier on the second turn when you have the sawed face resting on the toeboard than the round edge like we started with. We did not have a fancy telehandler to work with. I think the MagicHook will do what we need but I forgot about it yesterday. Straight logs don't shift as much as crooked ones.
Maybe Marty Parsons will read this and have WM make a log shifter attachment for the mills to fix this issue and if it makes any money he will send us some of it. :D
EDIT/ADD-ON: All they have to do is provide power to the toeboards. ;)
I had a chance to cut a little pine this afternoon. I'm setting the slabs to the side to use for counter tops
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for a cabin project in Northern Michigan. The Lt40 will cut 28" , but it better be string straight on both sides. I had to work this back and forth a little to get it cut.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on March 12, 2021, 03:49:11 PM
Brandi,
I tried to convince the customer to cut them to 20'6" so I had 6" to play with but she keyed on that 21' max and decided she needed that extra 4" of house space I guess. I guess I'm lucky she left me 2" of play. If she'd known about the bumper space she would have left them 21'. We pushed these with the toeboards up. It is much easier on the second turn when you have the sawed face resting on the toeboard than the round edge like we started with. We did not have a fancy telehandler to work with. I think the MagicHook will do what we need but I forgot about it yesterday. Straight logs don't shift as much as crooked ones.
Maybe Marty Parsons will read this and have WM make a log shifter attachment for the mills to fix this issue and if it makes any money he will send us some of it. :D
EDIT/ADD-ON: All they have to do is provide power to the toeboards. ;)
Howard,
If I hadn't had the squirt boom, the Mahindra's grapple would have been used. I can't, by myself, slide a 5,000 pound log over a half inch, even with the toe boards up.
It would be nice if WM came out with a kit to do this. Problem with the toe boards is the pivots both swing the same direction, which tends to have the log move that direction more so.
hugs, Brandi
WM does have powered toe rollers available. @Stuart Caruk (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=28226) put them on his mill.
Trim Guy, That one does look string straight. Sometimes I remove the blade and see if the saw head and roller guides will make a clear pass down the log.
Quote from: Southside on March 13, 2021, 06:37:05 AM
WM does have powered toe rollers available. @Stuart Caruk (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=28226) put them on his mill.
Boy, that was a fast response! Those WM people work fast don't they? :D
I looked under the accessories list and the only toeboards I saw listed were manual ones. Since this is likely a one off kind of a job it would probably not be worth the effort and expense for me to add them anyway although I am sure if I had them I would use them regularly on my other shorter logs too.
Stuart Caruk's powered toe board roller.
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Of course he is set up permanent and can saw 52' beams. :o
I hope those are rubber fingers on the rollers. If not we sure could not use them on the sawed side of a a cant or it would chew it up. Yeah, not something I'll be adding anytime soon. It is either a couple of mentally challenged helpers or the MagicHook for me especially on the round side. The flat side rolls a lot easier once you get to that stage.
with those you do not need off bearers, just cut through the cant, go to the high speed and toss them off the end of the mill! :D :D :D :o :o :o :) :) :)
Quote from: doc henderson on March 13, 2021, 12:21:19 PM
with those you do not need off bearers, just cut through the cant, go to the high speed and toss them off the end of the mill! :D :D :D :o :o :o :) :) :)
I'd like to see a video of that, for sure.
Jim Rogers
Doc,
You had me scratching my head there for a minute then I finally realized you were saying the power rollers replace the off bearers. I guess that would be like a reverse dragback feature. I guess I will stick with the off-bearers.
That reminds me of an old boss of mine who said he had an uncle with a sawmill and two old black men who cut the logs with a crosscut saw as a sort of retirement income. They did not work fast but just steady and he'd saw whatever logs they cut into lumber and sell it as a sort of sideline business. His sawmill was not something he tried to do full time. Linwood asked his uncle why he did not buy the old men a chainsaw. He said his uncle told him "A chainsaw would just put his helpers out of work because they would finish so much sooner and likely only needed one." He wanted to be sure the old men had and income but he was going to make sure they worked for it.
I saw I have used up all my 2" lath strips I use to make my simple crates and such so I figured I'd make some more stock out of a small 8' poplar top I cut several days ago. A couple days ago I cut 2-10' logs from about midpoint on the tree into 1X4's and a kid came and picked them up for his dad today.
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I just cut the "log" into 2" flitches and saved one 3/8" flitch about 5" wide between the bark. I stood the 2" flitches up and set my mark on 13" and SimpleSet to 1/2" and started edging. Every pass left me with 5 each 3/8" X 2" X8' lath strips.
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I got 96 strips out the scrappy log. There will be some waste from splits and such but not much loss since I'm cutting them up into 12-16 inch lengths on my RAS to make crates. The dog boards were 1/2" and there was some serious pucker to cut them. I will use them for handles on the end of the crates or such. I have them stacked and stickered and they should be air dry in just a few weeks because they are so thin.
Those crates must be a hot item, WV. Nice work.
Sawed 450 bf of cedar 1x5, 2x4s and 3.5x3.5 today. Nice payday for a Saturday.
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just a bit of elm Burl today. Short video of the process. https://youtu.be/y0I41Sn_HuM (https://youtu.be/y0I41Sn_HuM)
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Quote from: btulloh on March 13, 2021, 08:03:15 PM
Those crates must be a hot item, WV. Nice work.
I make them sized to fit a dozen quart or a dozen pint canning jars. The pint sized crate just fits inside a quart sized crate. They are fast and simple to make. Not a high profit item but fun to build and I sell a few at flea markets and use a lot around the house.
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Busenitzcww, your elm burl cookies are beautiful.
Danny, is that a bit of spalt in the sapwood area? nice local exotic hardwood @busenitzcww (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=43952) . :)
We have sent out quite a bit of pine dimensional lumber for us this week. We have also sawn some Paroda and some pecan. The pecan was from the guy that has logs but sometimes does not have money to pay for them being sawn. We cut on halves today and the first log had a couple of nails that we found right away with our freshly sharpened 4° blade. We continued using it and it sawed flat but left a bit of "character" on the rest of the slabs. This should not be a problem since we saw pecan at 2.5" so it should easily clean up. Also, I stacked quite a bit of lumber that hit the cull pile from our dimensional jobs this week. It will be used for stuff shorter than 16' or saw horses.
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We sent out 35 1x14x16' heart pine (orange trailer) and loaded the kiln with pecan and sycamore. John keeps mentioning that YellowHammer would not be happy with how many wasted steps we take each day and continuously suggests that we do things smarter. Unfortunately, "I no too smart".
Got my first Sunburn of 2021! 8) Hourly rate sawing for my parent's neighbor. Slabbed some shagbark hickory (aka granite smiley_devil), some 4/4 basswood, and made 11 @ 3"x10"x18' red oak bridge decking. The bridge decking is for a ditch crossing in a field that is used by semis and combines. I used the toolbox and it said they were 243 lbs each :o They did not want the basswood so I took home about 210 bf of some pretty nice stuff.
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One of the red oak pieces that got edged to 10". Told the customer that he was going to have the purdiest bridge decking in the county.
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The stack of basswood I took home and get on sticks to air dry.
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Heavy timbers! I hope you had plenty of help or MHE to move them.
What thickness and sizes did you cut the basswood? I have about 1,000 bf left from a big tree that almost took out my deer blind. I cut it 4/4, 8/4. 12/4 & 16/4 and put a big fan on it for 2 months to keep it from molding. I try to market it a carving wood. It looks a lot like maple.
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Heavy timbers! I hope you had plenty of help or MHE to move them.
What thickness and sizes did you cut the basswood? I have about 1,000 bf left from a big tree that almost took out my deer blind. I cut it 4/4, 8/4. 12/4 & 16/4 and put a big fan on it for 2 months to keep it from molding. I try to market it a carving wood. It looks a lot like maple.
Yes we had MHE. The farmer I was cutting them for brought over his 80+ hp tractor with forks. We utilized every hydraulic function of the mill and tractor to not have to touch the timbers, but they did make a loud thud whenever they moved.
I cut all the basswood to 4/4 random width. It will be used as a secondary wood when I'm building cabinets (drawer boxes, shelves, misc framing, etc) For me it is interchangeable with poplar
Got an interesting call from a guy that said he had some mesquite he'd like sawn. He wintered in Texas and just got back, he hauled back some short 4' pieces for woodworking and smoking. It's not something we see up here so I told him to come over. We cut up 3 of the best shorts he had, wow is that stuff dense/heavy/hard! I was really impressed as to the beauty of this stuff, black walnut has nothing on this. Took about an hour, he paid us and then told us to pick 3 pieces we'd like to keep for getting to it so fast (nice guy). We're looking forward to doing something with it some day.
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I've got this big girl waiting on me tomorrow.
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Second of 5 logs heading toward the base. 27" and quite straight. Base is about 36" dia. Tried out a sample 9 deg blade from WM store, it cut great, even after i kissed the roller stop :D :D. Will start with a fresh T7 in the morning. Man am I learning a lot!!!
Doc
What is the plan for the log?
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took down the stump of a cottonwood in the yard. 3/8th inch piece taken of the top, leaning on the cant. and the sun shining through it.
Quote from: boonesyard on March 15, 2021, 03:34:57 PM
Got an interesting call from a guy that said he had some mesquite he'd like sawn. He wintered in Texas and just got back, he hauled back some short 4' pieces for woodworking and smoking. It's not something we see up here so I told him to come over. We cut up 3 of the best shorts he had, wow is that stuff dense/heavy/hard! I was really impressed as to the beauty of this stuff, black walnut has nothing on this. Took about an hour, he paid us and then told us to pick 3 pieces we'd like to keep for getting to it so fast (nice guy). We're looking forward to doing something with it some day.
I haven't seen anything that big around these parts. I guess it is south Texas, if he wintered here. Do you know where he wintered?
hugs, Brandi
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Quote from: boonesyard on March 15, 2021, 03:34:57 PM
Got an interesting call from a guy that said he had some mesquite he'd like sawn. He wintered in Texas and just got back, he hauled back some short 4' pieces for woodworking and smoking. It's not something we see up here so I told him to come over. We cut up 3 of the best shorts he had, wow is that stuff dense/heavy/hard! I was really impressed as to the beauty of this stuff, black walnut has nothing on this. Took about an hour, he paid us and then told us to pick 3 pieces we'd like to keep for getting to it so fast (nice guy). We're looking forward to doing something with it some day.
I haven't seen anything that big around these parts. I guess it is south Texas, if he wintered here. Do you know where he wintered?
hugs, Brandi
Not sure what part of Texas, I didn't ask. I've been down there a few times, and I thought this mequite seemed big. Crazy heavy!
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Some white oak we cut last year for a pavilion this spring. A little belt sanding and linseed oil. Good to go. Sorry the pics doubled up (fixed by Admin).
Here's a sneak peek of what I'm going to be sawing next.
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A farmer near me called and said he had a bunch of cedar on his hedgerows and I could have it if I wanted to cut it down. (Note the barbed wire below the cut.) All of them have wire, but I'll just cut them about 4 1/2 feet high. There's probably 150 of them at least 16" or bigger.
Thank the birds for that :).
Quote from: Patrick NC on March 17, 2021, 07:29:18 PMThere's probably 150 of them at least 16" or bigger.
Sweet!
Been lurking around the forum last fall. Been infatuated with milling over the winter. Bought me a 36" Alaskan by Granberg and their chain and made my first attempt on some salvage I found in the neighborhood brush dump. After I made the first cut, I was tickled pink at the outcome. I sure have the sawdust disease after just one log. I believe this is Chinese Elm...maybe someone a bit more educated can confirm or deny.
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@forcemac (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=53897) welcome!
My first guess was elm of some sort.
Quote from: Patrick NC on March 17, 2021, 07:29:18 PM
Here's a sneak peek of what I'm going to be sawing next.
A farmer near me called and said he had a bunch of cedar on his hedgerows and I could have it if I wanted to cut it down. (Note the barbed wire below the cut.) All of them have wire, but I'll just cut them about 4 1/2 feet high. There's probably 150 of them at least 16" or bigger.
I gotta come to NC and buy some logs for sure.
Ya got me drooling again.
hugs, Brandi
My neighbor had a half dozen dead red oaks that I offered to remove for him. It made very nice 5/4 boards for horse stalls.
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I had an interesting job today. A couple of weeks ago a customer wanted me to come and look and I did:
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Three blocks of whatever that he wanted me to clean up and then split the shorter one.
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And 6 Pecan limbs that he wanted posts, plus 1½" and 2½" two live edge slabs. They were gonna be heavy so I would need help.
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So Marty and Ben became tailgunners today.
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Some of the hardware that was in the cants.
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But they still got cleaned up, much to the customer's satisfaction.
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He was also pleased with the Pecan. Hourly rate plus labor equaled a very nice pay day for all. :)
Pecan limbs?
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I totally agree and no way would I have ever sawn that Pecan mess for myself but I have sawn many times for this guy. He loves to experiment and his $$ are good. ;D
The old timber chunks came from somewhere in the NE, maybe Massachusetts?? The largest one squared 12X12, the second largest squared 12X14, and the one seen on the sawmill made two 3X12's. Two were WRC and one was SYP, probably Longleaf.
Magicman,
Did you make it down to Thibodaux?
No, we were rain/stormed out this week and sadly this next week doesn't look any better. I am now shooting for the week of March 29th or the next week of April 5th.
PatD has her aortic heart valve replacement scheduled for the next week (15th) so if we can't get it done before that we will have to skip a few weeks.
a few more erc boards for Dallas.
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Some very thinly sawn ERC I see.
the board he was attaching to was warped. it was "straw board' that used to be manufactured here from wheat straw. so he went and spent 35 bucks on a sheet of osb 7/16ths. Poor Dallas has succumbed to ERCC. eastern redcedar crazy! :) no pics of the final 4 feet yet, out of respect for his family! :D :D :D
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so the sides of the steps are closed in, the area behind the shelf on the left, is re-sheeted, and getting covered he will make another shelf in the loft. He is talking crazy about replacing the treads with ERC. 8) 8) 8)
The man needs help. He needs and intervention. But you are not the guy Doc. You are his enabler. (you might need help too.) :D
Quote from: Magicman on March 19, 2021, 09:08:12 AMNo, we were rain/stormed out this week
That is why I am asking. They got some pretty good storms down there Wednesday.
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Some very thinly sawn ERC I see.
yes some 1/4 inch to cover the osb, some 3/4" to side the stairs and 1 9/16th" to make shelf boards.
Sawed some oak cookies today. Only managed three before ran out of light. Largest of the three was about 38 inches.
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My wife's cousin and her husband came for an overnight visit yesterday afternoon. I took him and showed him my setup, sawed one small poplar log into 4/4 stock then loaded up the mill and we took it to my next customer's house 11 miles away and set it up. I returned this morning to this load of logs.
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Mostly WO, maybe a couple of RO and one tiny hemlock so far. I see a cherry coming up on the next visit. We sawed about half till we wore out my 77 y/o helper. He is about the size of the MM so I ended up helping him toss the slabs on the pile but he stacked the lumber pretty much alone. We had about 747 bf when we broke for the day.
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We will resume Monday after my doctor's appointment. I'll stop by on my return and we will finish this pile.
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It was a pleasant morning and we made some real pretty boards.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on March 20, 2021, 04:56:43 PMtill we wore out my 77 y/o helper. He is about the size of the MM
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Whatcha talkin' 'bout Willis??
What You Talkin bout Willis? Gary Coleman - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJd1RktjYTU)
Lynn,
First you horde all the LogRite cant hooks now you are hogging up all the young, strong help. Its a sad state of affairs that the only off bearer help we can get around here is 77 y/o. He put in a good day and I am not putting him down at all. You'd just think there would be a few strapping teenage boys wanting the work.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on March 20, 2021, 06:01:56 PM.......... You'd just think there would be a few strapping teenage boys wanting the work.
Yeah, you would, but no.... What I wouldn't give for a teenager (male or female) with grits that could help me out after school or on weekends and maybe learn something useful. Ain't happenin' these days. Liability, what if, etc. etc.
I was helping a neighbor do firewood and they had a nephew there, about 12YO, and I gave him a hookeroon and showed him how to use it and gave him a safety talk. He was having a blast and helping out dragging rounds up to the splitter with great effect as he figured it out...until grandma saw and came running out and said we had to take the 'dangerous tool away from him before he got hurt". Kids today are doomed.
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I am fortunate to have two of those "strapping Grandsons" that...
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don't mind getting sweaty...
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nor getting dirty. Luke & Ben
Just my luck, 4 gd and one 4 y/o gs! I'd try matchmaking the older gd's but I doubt they understand Mississippi English or that Luke and Ben would travel this far. ::)
Quote from: Magicman on March 19, 2021, 09:08:12 AM
No, we were rain/stormed out this week and sadly this next week doesn't look any better. I am now shooting for the week of March 29th or the next week of April 5th.
PatD has her aortic heart valve replacement scheduled for the next week (15th) so if we can't get it done before that we will have to skip a few weeks.
Best of luck on a speedy recovery.
Thank you, she/we are apprehensive but also ready for her to be able to regain her normal activities. I'll put up a topic later in the "Health and Safety" board detailing her aortic heart valve journey.
Sure hoping everything goes smooth and simple for you both MM. Getting back to 'normal' whatever that may be for each of us, is a wonderful thing. You guys have got this.
Are we gonna see you in August?
We also have other unspoken obstacles to overcome so we will cross the August bridge when we get there.
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I am fortunate to have two of those "strapping Grandsons" that...
don't mind getting sweaty...
nor getting dirty. Luke & Ben
Lynn,
You are truly blessed.
hugs, Brandi
Saturday's whack of logs. Walnut, Cherry, Pine and Spruce.
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And the resulting whacks of lumber: 6x6's
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and 4/4 boards: pine and spruce
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walnut and cherry
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Oh, and 8/4 live edge walnut on the bottom of the pile. All in all a good day.
Sheeprustler Sheepkeeper
Boy that is some pretty log stacking! Was that your wood or a customers? I need to steal a copy of that picture to send to all my mobile customers as to what their logs should look like before they call me and say they are ready for me to come saw.
Real pretty finished lumber too!
@Magicman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=10011) I sure hope we see you at the pig roast, but understand if you are not able to be there. God speed!
I picked up my blades from sharpening yesterday at a local place. I've never sent them anywhere buy woodmizer. I realized that they did not clean the blades like WM did. I paid $7 per blade for sharpening.
Is it worth cleaning the blades myself before I send them to this guy or not bother with it? I may eventually go back to using re-sharp when things settle down in the world, but for now its this local guy who has always sharpened my circular blades. Thanks.
My price has gone up from 6 to 9 bucks a blade, and 20 bucks shipping for 6 blades one way. I am a bout to buy a sharpener. they did sorta threaten to charge more if they had to clean the blade. I am getting better with the lube, and less sap and dust on the blades. I am sure if it was bad enough, it may throw off the set. It also will defeat the point if there is enough stuff built up on that fresh sharpened blade and they do not track well.
They are not super crusty or anything, just clearly not cleaned like WM used to. I was looking at sharpeners and they are not terribly expensive, but to get one that also sets the blade is quite expensive. Is there a way to set the teeth otherwise?
Quarter sawn white oak, rays end to end on every board. 12 ft long.
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Pretty poor day for me. I had a skin doctor appointment (We think we have the answer to my Atopic Dermatitis on hand and feet- Dupixent to the Rescue) then I met my helper and customer back at the mill about half way home. We sawed 7-8 logs including one gnarly, big butted 14' WO that was a struggle from start to finish and in the last cut to salvage one more board off the side and I hit the standard 2 nails from a posted sign I'd guess. Only log that blade had sawed so the customer bought it. I was getting 1X10's off it and they were clearly too much for my 77 y/o hookwormy looking helper so I'd have to help him stack each board as they came off the mill. He gave out on me about 4:00 pm or so. I ended up stacking the last 4 boards off the last cant then packed it up. We only got about 418 bf. I looked after I packed up and see there is only 6 more to finish. I probably should have just sawed and stacked but agreed to meet at 8:30 am tomorrow to finish. I will finish then if I have to do it alone as I need to bring the mill home. I have another scheduled job this weekend and may sandwich in one a mile down the road before during Wednesday or Thursday. It looks like I may have to stack them for my 85 y/o neighbor/customer. If so I'll just charge extra for it. It should be a 1 day job as is my weekend job.
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Whopping 418 bf for the afternoon. Today's lumber is stacked in front of the shed. Under the shed is Saturday's sawing. We cut one cherry into 8', 3' and 4' boards to maximixe the return. They are on the ground separate. The customer will use them to make birdhouses.
Oh well, at least it is only 11 miles and today was only a 5 mile side trip on the way back from my doctor visit.
Just before I pulled out a truck with a new slide in camper drove by and I ended up behind him. It looked like a brand new rig. I hope he did not tear up his A/C and such hitting the low hanging limbs and stuff hanging over the road. I see he had a Maine tag so I assume he was lost. GPS may have routed him that was as a shortcut to I-64. He was driving slow and saw me following so he had the great courtesy to stop to let me pass. Unfortunately not being familiar with the area he stopped at a narrow spot on the road where we had a big road slippage and repair last year that none of us trust anyway so I waited behind him. After a couple more miles he found a wide spot and pulled over where I could pass.
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Sheeprustler Sheepkeeper
Boy that is some pretty log stacking! Was that your wood or a customers? I need to steal a copy of that picture to send to all my mobile customers as to what their logs should look like before they call me and say they are ready for me to come saw.
Real pretty finished lumber too!
This was at a first time customer. Well stacked logs and and abundance of energetic help made for an easy day. the boards were stacked and stickered as they came off the mill and there was a stack of already dry lumber that was going on top to weight the fresh stuff down. This was not the customer's first time at the dance. :) I anticipate that there will be more work for me down the road.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on March 22, 2021, 08:41:02 PM
Pretty poor day for me. I had a skin doctor appointment (We think we have the answer to my Atopic Dermatitis on hand and feet- Dupixent to the Rescue)
WV,
My dermatologist called me into his office, last year, to offer Dupixent to me. As I remember, it was shots every week or maybe every other week. I told him no thanks. No way was I driving 45 miles for a shot every two weeks. Atopic Dermatitis is the main reason I don't saw away from home.
In the winter, I usually take a mid day rinse off and change clothes. In the summer, it is 2-3 rinse offs a day and same amount of clothes changes. When I get a bad flareup, it is an epsom salt bath for me. Usually it is manageable enough to just use CeraVe body lotion
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: firefighter ontheside on March 22, 2021, 11:00:04 AMIs it worth cleaning the blades myself before I send them to this guy or not bother with it?
We have a guy who sharpens our blades with an old WM drag sharpener. I ensure our blades are rust free and sap free when we take them to him. He has been sharpening everything to 4 degrees but we just purchased a 7 degree wheel for his machine so he could sharpen our 7's to 7 degrees. We used a 7, resharp today and it was sticky sharp and sawed like a Ninja. The diesel drip or cotton picker spindle lube keeps the blades pretty clean but I spend as much time as needed to get ALL of the sap off using diesel, a rag and a sharpened putty knife prior to taking them to him. He appreciates the clean blades and we appreciate sharp blades. If he quits sharpening for us we will likely buy a new sharpener. I'd rather pay him.
Thanks caveman. I will start cleaning the blades before I take them in.
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Quote from: WV Sawmiller on March 22, 2021, 08:41:02 PM
Pretty poor day for me. I had a skin doctor appointment (We think we have the answer to my Atopic Dermatitis on hand and feet- Dupixent to the Rescue)
WV,
My dermatologist called me into his office, last year, to offer Dupixent to me. As I remember, it was shots every week or maybe every other week. I told him no thanks. No way was I driving 45 miles for a shot every two weeks. Atopic Dermatitis is the main reason I don't saw away from home.
In the winter, I usually take a mid day rinse off and change clothes. In the summer, it is 2-3 rinse offs a day and same amount of clothes changes. When I get a bad flareup, it is an epsom salt bath for me. Usually it is manageable enough to just use CeraVe body lotion
hugs, Brandi
Brandi,
These shots were samples and they are like an epi-pen auto injector. You don't have to drive in - you can give them to yourself. I got another shot today and give myself another in 2 weeks. It starts off as a shot every 2 weeks but he said we may start stretching it out to every 3 then maybe every 4 weeks. I gave myself 2 shots here at home in the muscle of my thigh and it was a pretty straight-forward process. Take the pen out of the fridge about 45 minutes to let it warm up to room temp, remove the cap, press on the muscle till the yellow cap (about 1/2" long) is buried in the muscle then it clicks and injects and you watch a dial show the medicine being injected. Hold it till the count of 5 afterwards and dispose of the pen.
The skin on my feet and hands was getting scaly and thick and cracking and very painful and I worried about getting infections or such. We thought it was fungus and tried several oral and topical cream treatments with no success. Then I tried a steroid cream which helped but never defeated it. The Dupixent samples knocked it out completely and just a hint of scale around my heels and center of my feet but it is light years ahead of where it was.
If you are still fighting it I'd reconsider. My dermatologist was amazed and even called his PA in to look at the change in such a short period. I had been fighting it nearly a year.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on March 22, 2021, 11:30:21 PM
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Quote from: WV Sawmiller on March 22, 2021, 08:41:02 PM
Pretty poor day for me. I had a skin doctor appointment (We think we have the answer to my Atopic Dermatitis on hand and feet- Dupixent to the Rescue)
WV,
My dermatologist called me into his office, last year, to offer Dupixent to me. As I remember, it was shots every week or maybe every other week. I told him no thanks. No way was I driving 45 miles for a shot every two weeks. Atopic Dermatitis is the main reason I don't saw away from home.
In the winter, I usually take a mid day rinse off and change clothes. In the summer, it is 2-3 rinse offs a day and same amount of clothes changes. When I get a bad flareup, it is an epsom salt bath for me. Usually it is manageable enough to just use CeraVe body lotion
hugs, Brandi
Brandi,
These shots were samples and they are like an epi-pen auto injector. You don't have to drive in - you can give them to yourself. I got another shot today and give myself another in 2 weeks. It starts off as a shot every 2 weeks but he said we may start stretching it out to every 3 then maybe every 4 weeks. I gave myself 2 shots here at home in the muscle of my thigh and it was a pretty straight-forward process. Take the pen out of the fridge about 45 minutes to let it warm up to room temp, remove the cap, press on the muscle till the yellow cap (about 1/2" long) is buried in the muscle then it clicks and injects and you watch a dial show the medicine being injected. Hold it till the count of 5 afterwards and dispose of the pen.
The skin on my feet and hands was getting scaly and thick and cracking and very painful and I worried about getting infections or such. We thought it was fungus and tried several oral and topical cream treatments with no success. Then I tried a steroid cream which helped but never defeated it. The Dupixent samples knocked it out completely and just a hint of scale around my heels and center of my feet but it is light years ahead of where it was.
If you are still fighting it I'd reconsider. My dermatologist was amazed and even called his PA in to look at the change in such a short period. I had been fighting it nearly a year.
Oh. Guess I misunderstood. I put a compound ointment on my ankles and feet once day. If I don't, they itch. I have had it on my ankles and calves for over 30 years. I can't let sweat dry on my skin. I will email my dermatologist right now.
Thanks & hugs, Brandi
Ps this response was meant to be in another thread.
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We finished our sawing this morning with another 504 bf. The last log was a good sized RO and returned the best wood of the whole trip. Mostly 1"X12"X12'. I'd pick up one end and my helper the other, I'd go to the stack and place my end down and let him slide his in and finish the stacking while i was already starting the next cut. We had to cut a couple of 14' -15' logs in two because of sweep. That gave us a better return.
I packed up and brought the mill home and am scheduled to saw tomorrow 1 mile away then on Saturday for another repeat customer.
Another barn siding job at Big Meadow Sawmill , white pine 1x8 and 1x10.
I have an extra hand for a few weeks .
The concrete guys are out of work for 2 week with mud season.
I will take the extra help, lots of things to saw , firewood , and things to build.
I'm getting a little hesitaton with the clamp . Any ideas why ? Do I need to change the hydraulic filter ?
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Quote from: Bruno of NH on March 23, 2021, 03:56:19 PMI'm getting a little hesitaton with the clamp
Hesitation with the hydraulic pump starting or hesitation after the pump is running? Up/down, clamping, or both?
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Quote from: Bruno of NH on March 23, 2021, 03:56:19 PMI'm getting a little hesitaton with the clamp
Hesitation with the hydraulic pump starting or hesitation after the pump is running? Up/down, clamping, or both?
After the pump is running and clamping only Sir
I was thinking rocker but I had to scratch that because the rockers activate the microswitch and you have already eliminated that. The simple troubleshooting method is always to call Wood-Mizer.
I maybe could offer more help if I was looking at mine, but I'm not.
Fresh of my maiden cuts with my tiny 19" capacity Alaskan, my father in law scores about 7-8 oak and ash logs from someone clearing a residential lot. Big logs. Probably will keep me busy for rest of summer.
However, there is a real monster oak in there. Probably around 38-40" at small end, and 55" at flare. I really would like to slab it, but I have to ruminate on it. How would you cut it? Slab? Quarter saw? Or is it junk?
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Yes
take some slabs near the center, and the outer edges will be quarter sawn. then quarter saw the outside halves. can you say, "I think we are gonna need a bigger bar?" :D
Quote from: doc henderson on March 23, 2021, 09:57:34 PM
take some slabs near the center, and the outer edges will be quarter sawn. then quarter saw the outside halves. can you say, "I think we are gonna need a bigger bar?" :D
Yeah big time. This find scares me, I want to mill it, but totally lack the equipment....and am transfixed dreaming for something bigger. Just keep telling myself baby steps.
Was thinking this spring I'd jump to a husky 395 or maybe 3120 for my 36" Alaskan and attack the smaller stuff. But dreaming of an LT28 for the future but now maybe a Lucas makes more sense...there is a used DSM28 on the exchange. Price seems fair compared to a quote from Bailey's (14k shipped+tax).
@Bruno of NH (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=26349) if it's just the clamp then likely you have some wear on the linkage that activates that cylinder. MM is right each of the levers activates the micro switch to turn on the pump, but then also each lever has a pin that activates that specific valve. - It's been a while since I had to dive into the one on my 35 - but I had the same issue at one time. Can't remember exactly what I did to fix it but after looking at how the pin interacts with the valve and the obvious wear mark that was different than the other valves the adjustment / fix was pretty obvious. I want to say I rotated something in there so the groove wasn't still in contact with the pin, but that was few years back.
Yes, that is where the problem is but I would need to be looking at it to describe what to do. It should be a simple adjustment associated with the rocker.
Sorta simple. Kinda a matter of trial and error to get it right and doesn't take much movement.
I found part of the problem.
I found a small hydraulic leak in a fitting. I fixed it and filled it back up. It seams to have fixed it. I did order a new hydraulic filter and will change that as well.
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I met at my 85 y/o neighbors at 9:00 am to saw these 14 logs. Nearly all 8' logs and he wanted 4/4 boards and dimensional 2X4. (We settled on 1-5/8"X3-5/8".) His grandson came up to help then later his son came to relieve the grandson.
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A little after 4:00 pm with 3.9 engine hours on the mill we finished with 76 of the 2X4's and a bunch of boards up to 12" wide. Total yield (Counting the 2X4's as 1.5" X 3.5") was 1231 bf (just over 315 bf/engine hour) for a pretty good day's work.
That's great for less than 4 hours engine time.
Patrick,
Yeah it surprised me and I had to go back and check my numbers to verify them. As soon as we finished a log I'd shut the mill off and load the next one so no engine hours during the log handling phase. Being 8' long logs it did not take long to set them up for sawing and did not take much log turning to hit my marks and return finished boards. Also my customer is an old farmer and I'd throw a flitch on the loading arms to trim an inch of bark off one side and he'd pick it up and go put it on his stack saying it was fine for the barn lumber he wanted. Tally was pretty quick as we just counted the 2X4's then treated each row as a very wide 1"X8' board and the son measured as I recorded on a spreadsheet on my laptop which automatically tallied and priced the work. I used 2 bands all day and one had been used to saw the last RO at the previous customer site the day before.
Nice work. Not to be nit picky but stickers should be in a vertical line directly in line with each other. Boards can be warped if stickers aren't placed properly. Just a suggestion.
Yep they should. I was sawing. I cut up and placed the first row and explained how to put the next and went back to my mill. After that it is up to the customer and his helper. In all honesty these are not far enough out of line to cause problems and he will be using the wood in the next few weeks. The main purpose of even stickering it for such a short duration is to help keep it from mildewing - something yellow poplar is bad about doing.
BTW - we were using green stickers too since the customer had burned the dry ones he had from the last time I sawed for him.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on March 25, 2021, 02:52:47 PMYep they should. I was sawing. I cut up and placed the first row and explained how to put the next and went back to my mill. After that it is up to the customer and his helper.
I encounter the same situation quite frequently. I show the customer what to do and may watch and make a reminder if they are getting crooked. After that my job is to saw and his job is to sticker/stack.
I've had a clamp lever get rotated and hit the lid limiting the stroke. Easy fix.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on March 25, 2021, 02:52:47 PM
Yep they should. I was sawing. I cut up and placed the first row and explained how to put the next and went back to my mill. After that it is up to the customer and his helper. In all honesty these are not far enough out of line to cause problems and he will be using the wood in the next few weeks. The main purpose of even stickering it for such a short duration is to help keep it from mildewing - something yellow poplar is bad about doing.
BTW - we were using green stickers too since the customer had burned the dry ones he had from the last time I sawed for him.
Right on. A mill I worked at in the past the owner would be all over that when he walked by the green chain. Would be more problematic there as they were stacked 4-5 bundles high. Went all automatic stickering and piling eventually, eliminating that problem. Cool machine to watch.
I sticker everything coming off the mill unless a customer is present loading lumber on his own truck. The Customer expected to pickup lumber that afternoon or the next day just don't seem to show up. Thus I have to restack/sticker so it don't ruin.
Thankfully everything that I saw is at a customer's location, so the proper lumber care onus is always on him. I have gone to a repeat customer's location and found lumber abandoned from years before. It doesn't all get used regardless of how it was stacked.
Yes, I have an inherent responsibility to show and advise an inexperienced customer but beyond that I saws um and leaves um. :)
When I cut a custom order here at home, unless it appears the customer will pick it up almost immediately I will do an abbreviated stickering job - usually 3 stickers per row. The last job I cut here at home was 1X4's and I just flat stacked them on sawhorses as the customer was chomping at the bits to get them. He sent his son to get them within 24 hours of me calling them.
On rare occasions when I saw a customer's logs with no helper and I have to stack and sticker the lumber I properly sticker it but charge more for doing so. I prefer to just saw and let the customer sticker. I provide advice but the responsibility rests with the customer.
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I loaded up last night and left to arrive at the customer site 16 miles away at 7:00 am to this stack of logs. Some pretty cherry and walnut and a decent oak or two (I did see the pith was 1/4 the way over from the side on one. We sawed for thin fence boards but that would have made it a good candidate for quarter sawing.) Had a scruffy maple, a couple of ash and several little locusts for 4X4 & 6X6 fence posts. The cherry & walnut were 5/4, the oak and ash 7/8".
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3.7 engine hours on the mill 3.13 gallons of gas used and 677 bf of lumber produced. We had just finished our tally when it started to sprinkle and I got home just in time to put up the mill and tools before a steady rain set it. Not a big job but one of my oldest customers. He is my lawyer and when I was setting up my business I gave him my contract to review, he said it was okay, did not charge me but did tell me when I got my mill he wanted me to come saw for him. I think this is the 4th time I've sawed for him.
Doug fir this morning using two forklifts
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Oh wow Rob, that should qualify as a fatty. And welcome back, missed you. ;D
We all missed you WOC! love your posts and advice/information!
:) Good to see the wizard in the village.
WOC,
About how much does that "fatty" weigh?
hugs, Brandi
Yes welcome back!!
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Some cedar I'm working on this weekend. These are some of the biggest cedars that I've ever seen. And solid straight through. No heart rot. (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/59254/IMG_20210321_135005871.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1616933172)
Its not often that you get one cedar tree that scales 250 bf.
Nice looking cedar! You find a bunch of nice looking cedar. Casar must be the cedar capital of NC. ;D
Remarkable Logs! I don't often see more than about 12 inch diameter ERC up here.
very nice. yes you get a bigger one only to find a thousand ants inside.
That is some nice cedar. It looks to me like the ERC trees do not get to the huge stuff we see in WRC trees. There are some monsters in BC. A few standing in a park in Sicamous probably have about a 12 foot trunk maybe biggar. 24"+ is not uncommon.
QuoteDoug fir this morning using two forklifts
Nice logs! I never hauled logs like that, but more than once when I drove semi I would have loads that would max out the lifting capacity of the machines the customer had to unload. They would line up on each side of the trailer, and lift with full power. As long as they could get the load 3 or 4 inches off the deck, I could then drive out from underneath and it would be safely off the trailer. If it was to be unloaded with a crane, I would park up close to the crane base, as that's where the lifting power would be strongest.
I think that ERC is really a juniper, so quite large compared to bonsai trees. :)
Juniperus virginiana - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juniperus_virginiana)
We have a mix of ERC and what I call Mountain Juniper. East Texas has ERC and the Hill Country has Mountain Juniper. Mountain Juniper is always sold under the name...........Cedar. Majority of fence posts in the Hill Country (and my place) are Mountain Juniper.
Texas A&M Forest Service - Trees of Texas - List of Trees (http://texastreeid.tamu.edu/content/TreeDetails/?id=53)
My squirrels have stripped my piles of posts of all the bark to line their nests.
hugs, Brandi
I just sawed up a nice crotch Black Walnut that was saved from the Gatlinburg fires of 2016. See video below, 30in wide slabs.
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I'm gonna max out my saw on walnut that's been around for several years tomorrow. Though it only takes 25" to max the LT15. It will be big enough though. This is gonna be a summer of sawing walnut. I've got lots of logs to saw. The power feed can't get here too soon.
123, that walnut has shake in it and will get worse as it dries. Can you sell a slab with that kind of defect?
Quote from: Larry on March 28, 2021, 10:04:55 PM
123, that walnut has shake in it and will get worse as it dries. Can you sell a slab with that kind of defect?
yeah noticed that also before sawing, the shake didn't go all the way up I don't think and also with the way these young woodworkers now a days love epoxy they are asking for defects in slabs instead of stable ones, crazy how that have gotten,
White fir this morning. I like white fir because it is very stable and I can also color it to meet most customers demands as millwork. We take slabs from the centers and cut building material from the rest for roofing planks and structural sticks.
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Set the mill up this morning so I can run the hydraulics when the mill head is anyplace on the rail.
This was a test hook up.
I will put the battery in a box and shorten the cables and add standard clamps.
At night a automatic charger will be hooked up. The cables enter the bottom of the pump box and hook to the ground and power with the proper connections.
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Supposed to be cutting 2x6 for someone else (my logs) — could not do it this one made two nice 6x8 posts out of the cant and I will go get some other log from the pile :(
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Quote from: Bruno of NH on March 29, 2021, 04:50:53 PMSet the mill up this morning so I can run the hydraulics when the mill head is anyplace on the rail.
John and I recently did this to our mill. He and I have been busy with other endeavors over the past week and a half but this should make for a much more efficient operation. It galls me to have to bring the carriage all the way back to un-clamp the bottom boards and drop the loading arms. We have several orders to fill as soon as we have time and I look forward to this modification.
Man Tule that's a large white fir! Do the ones down south stink like the ones up here in the north? A bit like pee
Quote from: JRWoodchuck on March 29, 2021, 10:24:28 PM
Man Tule that's a large white fir! Do the ones down south stink like the ones up here in the north? A bit like pee
In the Northern California it smelled worse than pee!
Yes,this type of fir stinks and the sawdust causes an allergic reaction for me.It has terrific stability though and the discomfort is worth the price. White fir is great for box beams, takes finishes well, and the logs are relatively inexpensive.Is it my favorite wood? Heck no ! :D
Cut some very nice live edge flame boxelder last weekend that maxed out the saw width, the most figure wood we've cut to date. Very solid and no rot (which is rare for boxelder this old) and the slabs included flame, birds-eye, curl, crotch figure, solid bark inclusions and spalting. Should make for some beautiful projects.
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Just checking didn't want to get to offensive with my words on the smells of white fir...
Dang, I want some boxelder to mill. It's everywhere along the rivers here, but I just can't get ahold of any. Maybe I need to approach a farmer and see if hed let me cut some. I live 1/4 mile from a river that's lined with it.
For now I have to make do with walnut. Didn't mill any today, but did stack and sticker it under my deck which I'm sitting on right now. I love the smell of walnut as it permeates through the deck boards.
Cutting more forty-eight inch 4x4 cribbing for my local welding shop owner.
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He uses it for blocking loads of completed welded projects on semi trucks. It's a "nevertobeseenagain" type of thing.
I trade it out for welding jobs that are beyond my welding skills. Otherwise, when I need a silk purse and not a sow's ear.
hugs, Brandi
I'd say that you are making a very wise business deal. smiley_thumbsup
One of the guys who works for me is a very good welder. He tried to show me how to do it and I was dreadful at it. I can't understand how he sees what he's doing. I would gladly trade some 4x4's for good welding when I needed it.
Quote from: Magicman on March 31, 2021, 08:01:25 AM
I'd say that you are making a very wise business deal. smiley_thumbsup
Lynn,
It is an ongoing deal, so it is even better. For years he did stuff for me and I would ask, how much. He always said it was nothing to worry about. At least now, I don't worry about it.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: firefighter ontheside on March 31, 2021, 08:13:23 AM
One of the guys who works for me is a very good welder. He tried to show me how to do it and I was dreadful at it. I can't understand how he sees what he's doing. I would gladly trade some 4x4's for good welding when I needed it.
FFOntheSide,
I only weld on stuff that won't be highway use or look great at resale. When I asked the guys on a welding forum about seeing the work, they told me to get better lighting.
Sometimes I think I am doing great, only to have welded off to the side. Kinda like writing, back in school, and going below the line. Was welding up a lawnmower pivot bracket once and thought it was good. Until I flipped the helmet up to see I welded the rod end swivel also. Tossed that in the scrap metal bucket.
Kinda like making a sawdust pile bigger than your lumber pile!
hugs, Brandi
Lol. I think I'll probably just stick to wood and leave the steel work to pros, unless it just involves drilling and bolting. I can do that, its more like woodworking.
I went out today to do a little routine maintenance on the mill this morning. When I went to adjust one of the bolts and jam nuts for the blade guide I discovered it was gone. Guy at WM told me that particular one wasn't terribly important, but I feel like it wasn't good it was missing. Gotta make a stop at the hardware store to see if I can find one instead of ordering from WM.
Quote from: firefighter ontheside on March 31, 2021, 12:47:39 PM
Lol. I think I'll probably just stick to wood and leave the steel work to pros, unless it just involves drilling and bolting. I can do that, its more like woodworking.
I went out today to do a little routine maintenance on the mill this morning. When I went to adjust one of the bolts and jam nuts for the blade guide I discovered it was gone. Guy at WM told me that particular one wasn't terribly important, but I feel like it wasn't good it was missing. Gotta make a stop at the hardware store to see if I can find one instead of ordering from WM.
The problem is, I like melting metal as much as making sawdust. I got more diverse projects that Carter's has little liver pills.
Check and tighten everything. Did you pick up a new vibration? Didn't you just change engines?
hugs, Brandi
Yes, new engine a couple months ago. I just finished going thru everything. Re-aligned the blade guides. Checked all the other bolts and jam nuts. I backed the blade roller guides off and reset them to make sure they were both pushing down on the blade correctly.
I have 2 diopter reading lenses in my Jackson auto dark helmet. :P
Quote from: doc henderson on March 31, 2021, 08:30:23 PM
I have 2 diopter reading lenses in my Jackson auto dark helmet. :P
Did you order it that way or it an add on? I need the same.
Airgas carries them and they clip on the back/interior of the auto dark module. made just for it.
I have a 1.50 in mine.
Funny thing was Marty came over to do some welding and thought that he was going blind. :D
I sawed SYP and Tulip Poplar for a many times repeat customer today. Small job with only 8 logs.
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The Red Oak closer to the camera will be firewood.
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1083bf of SYP framing lumber and Poplar 1X4's & 1X10's. Just s neat little 5 hour job.
I have a 76 mile one day job and then a 2 day local job that I hope to be able to knock out next week; both are sawing SYP framing lumber.
Good work MM.
Today was a day to catch up on a little sawing. Last week I volunteered at a livestock show so no paying work was done.
This morning a guy came by to pick up some 4x4s and 1x6's that I sawed yesterday after work. This morning John came over and we unloaded the kiln, stacked some Pecan slabs on our racks and hauled the rest to the local hardwood store. When I got home from the hardwood store there were two customers waiting. Sold and surfaced a slab and a few small cedar slabs. Just finished sawing a small cypress order. I spent more time fishing an appropriate sized log out of the pond than I did sawing it. Tomorrow I'll probably get to sawing pine 2x4's (they are now worth sawing and selling).
I cut this log in half and sawed 12 1x8's and put
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These walnut trees have been dead and off the ground for probably 20 years and still look solid. Cut a branch off and it's rock solid
we got a little walnut, and Dr. Hagley @Cardiodoc (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51488) got to spend time with his daughter. she turned out to be a good helper and enjoyed hangin with us. weird kid! :)
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Quote from: doc henderson on April 04, 2021, 09:08:57 PM
we got a little walnut, and Dr. Hagley @Cardiodoc (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51488) got to spend time with his daughter. she turned out to be a good helper and enjoyed hangin with us. weird kid! :)
She's a smart kid too, the only one with a brain bucket. ;D
Man, that's a nice chunk of walnut there with a lot of possibilities.
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madrone slab 2-1/2" x 28" x 10' they had some nice spalt could be some dead spalt due too tree was failing. Reason the customer took it down.
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The stump was a long process cleaning and preparing it for milling
Lots of rocks.
Was going too slice it into cookies but I saw a really interesting table that took shape.
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New brushes in hydraulic pump today and cleaned up my extra battery hookup to the hydraulic pump.
Heavy wire with crimped ends. Then shrink wrapped.
Battery box with quick connect charging leads.
Sawed blanks for oxen yokes and 1/2" x 12 x12 pine. Then back to framing lumber.
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Doc,
If I send out my 15 y/o granddaughter do you think your buddy can do a transfusion or something to make her want to come help stack lumber too? :D
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Sawed up some Hemlock 2x6 and built two heavy duty saw horses to support a roller table for the slab wood. Spring has sprung and it was a beautiful day in upstate New York.
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Sawed up some Hemlock 2x6 and built two heavy duty saw horses to support a roller table for the slab wood. Spring has sprung and it was a beautiful day in upstate New York.
Overachiever! :D ;D :D ;D
They look great, much nicer than mine.
And yes, it was a lovely day up here in Ulster County too!
Well braced, Rich :D.
I had a sawyer out Mon/Tues to saw up a bunch of poplars into framing lumber (2x4, 2x6... 2x12, 4x4, 4x6's, 8'-16'). That should keep me supplied for many years to come. First project once air dried will be a solar kiln. Obviously not for real building as they are do not meet code, but it seems like we are always grabbing a couple 2x4 etc. for little projects around the farm. We also made a bunch of stickers and sawed up a couple small red maple logs and cherry crotch. Good times.
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@caveman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=12883) I've not sawed any cypress, but there's someone local selling a half a dozen logs. He says they are between 12 and 18" diameter. I"m thinking about trying to get them. When you saw the cypress do you box the heart or ignore the heart. I have used a lot of cypress and would like to have it.
Greyhound,
Good looking lumber. You are right about the lumber. You always need a stockpile of lumber laying around on a farm or such. I have gotten spoiled owning a mill because if I need a board and don't have the one I want I just go make it. I'm betting you will get many years of use and enjoyment out of this investment. Take good care of it and get it stacked and stickered and dried soon and properly and you may soon realize how much more you need and call the guy back.
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@caveman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=12883) I've not sawed any cypress, but there's someone local selling a half a dozen logs. He says they are between 12 and 18" diameter. I"m thinking about trying to get them. When you saw the cypress do you box the heart or ignore the heart. I have used a lot of cypress and would like to have it.
Hope it's not the same guy with the Butternut log. :)
Alan
Lol. I hope so too. I'm gonna call him in a moment, so we will know soon enough. I saw pictures this time and it sure looks like cypress.
There are some here who have sawed a lot more cypress than we have but it generally is an easy sawing wood but it will clog your dust chute, especially if you still have the blade catcher safety fingers. You will probably want to clear it after every cut or so.
We normally level the pith unless there is heart rot and then we saw parallel to the bark and keep working around the void for the most yield. Also, as with most, we try to keep the center of the log balanced left to right in the cant
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.We usually use 7° or 4° blades and they cut cypress well but if cypress was all that we sawed, we would use a higher degree blade and saw faster. This cant was cut with 10° on our 25hp lt-28 and it only took 12 seconds or so to saw a 1x12 if I remember correctly.
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A customer came by 2 days ago and put down a deposit on 60-16'X2"X10" tulip poplar boards. I called my former/sometimes customer and he scheduled us to cut today. We cut what he had then went and cut one more tree and he dragged the 33' butt log to the mill site and we finished the order with 5 left over.
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In the process we generated 150 -8' 2"X4" which the customer indicated he would want in the future. I called the customer tonight when I got home and he asked me to turn on my delivery guy (a farmer neighbor with a gooseneck equipment trailer and truck) and said he'd take the 2X4's now too so tentative we are scheduled to pick it all up and deliver Thursday.
The farmer with the logs provides the helper and himself and they are the best helpers I have had. I sawed for/with them back in October and this is working out very well for all of us so far. He has a big Kubota tractor with forks. I arrived and started set up at 7:00 am, we finished cutting about 2560 bf or so and I was pack up and pulling out at 7:15 pm. It is 26.5 miles away so I got home and disconnected the mill before dark. I see we put 8.2 engine hours on the mill, looks like we used about 6.5 gallons of gas.
My first paying mobile job. I could get used to someone else offbearing and stacking. 950 bd ft in about 6 hrs 1X SYP
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Nice looking lumber,Howard. Putting in the work!
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My first paying mobile job. I could get used to someone else offbearing and stacking. 950 bd ft in about 6 hrs 1X SYP
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Don't forget cleaning up and taking care of the slabs
GAB
Black ash logs here in NW Ontario. One of only a few hardwoods we have. After cutting this live edge slab, I turned it into a bar top for the shop.
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I'll be sawing as much of this stuff as I can get my hands on.
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Logs unloading at the port in Cairns... Wet season means smaller lifts due to mud up north.
But this lot will keep the girl fed until the end of May and by then the ground might be firmer.
Sometimes I wish I could get the barge to unload locally... save me a road transport leg and shake a few preconceived notions loose. But my local river doesn't have enough depth for that size vessel. Oh well...
Sawing some WRC for a neighbor. This is the butt piece. Sound right through. Made beautiful boards. This tree and a good size Doug Fir.
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A few more black ash live edge slabs today. We don't have very many hardwood options here, but these are among my favourites. Average width is about 13-14".
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Finished up a fence order and a small bit of cedar
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Some nice cedar logs left over
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Got the last of the bottom slabs aussie re-sawn and up for sale
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A new custom cut customer came in with some logs too. Two of these logs are not like the others! White pines
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Donbj- Like that JD 5300. I have one just like it. Likely the most useful tractor for small wood lot and yard work made in my opinion. Nice looking logs as well. GF
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Donbj- Like that JD 5300. I have one just like it. Likely the most useful tractor for small wood lot and yard work made in my opinion. Nice looking logs as well. GF
Thanks. They are nice units. The hydraulics are very strong. I got this around 1997-98 or there about.
Got 2 weekends in on the pavilion at camp. Using the lumber we sawed from the property this winter. Its been a fun project, and the grandkids have been involved from felling the trees to construction.
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one of my ED doc buddies and his dad Steve, a retired aeronautics engineer, came over from Wichita with an ERC log. Had promised 4 years ago, so finally had a time with a trailer and time off for us young guys.
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One of my BSA moms and dads Barb and Steve, needed a mantle so came to look at wood. After a decision, we decided to throw it on the mill, as to not prolong or make it any more difficult than necessary. Steve was one of my Walnut sap collectors this past winter, so I guess I owed him.
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never let a good deed go unpunished! had fun, and found some buried treasure. silver (colored) bolt! 8) 8) 8) :D :D :D
Milled three white oak and two walnut 'logs' for a lady Tuesday. No help available and a lot of chainsaw work. Had to move one of the walnuts with my truck to get it on the mill. I worked hourly so didn't get an accurate BF tally. It was approx. 180 bf of walnut and a little over 200 bf of white oak. Total of 4 hours. I told the lady how much I charged per hour before I even brought the mill in. When I was done she was up at the house and I let hr know it was 4 hours. She came down and handed me some bills and said there was a little bit extra. I stuck it in my pocket and never looked. When I got home and looked, she had given me 2 1/2 times what was owed. I called her and let her know this was way too much but she refuses to take any back. I am really surprised because the day started out as a disaster. Got there and went to set up. When I tried the hydraulics they were no go. Tracked that down to the positive contactor to the strip rail. Brushed it up and got that going. Put a band on and no spin. Had the motor running and couldn't hear if the auto clutch was engaging or not. Killed the motor and could hear the auto clutch working so figured it was the belt. Took the covers of and discovered the turnbuckle had somehow unscrew. Got all that back together and all went ok from there. I was thoroughly embarrassed by all this and figured she would send me packing. A simple setup had ended up being 2 1/2 hours of trouble shooting and repairs.
Lee,
Congrats on the first rate customer. They are out there and the bad ones make us forget about them.
I went with a neighbor to transport the load of lumber we cut Friday. We got there and had to juggle the load a little as the landowners FEL would not pick up one load but no big problem and all went well. My transport friend stopped at a local store next to a milling operation and the landowner pulled in right behind for gas. Evidently the store/mill site owner was a friend and the landowner had to take him out and show him the 2500 bf or so of lumber on the trailer and razzed him a little telling him "We cut all that in one day". When we pulled out he was still joking with the other guy. To the other miller's credit I really did have good support and best tailgunners ever. Even my transport driver commented on how neat the slab pile was and he was even more impressed when me moved a couple of 16' 2X10's. We ended up unloading by hand but the couple were so friendly and appreciative it was still a pleasure. Its great to have a good lo supplier/helper, transport (Paid by customer) and great customers who appreciate the product and workmanship. Kind of reminds me why I got into this line of work.
I had some poplar logs (~1800 bf int.) milled into framing lumber. Hoping to build a solar kiln in the fall with it. Some day I'll buy a mill, but not right now, used mills are rare as hens teeth and prices are crazy high, and lead times on new mills are well into 2022.
This is obviously an old picture and it is probably only 1/2 to total we milled last week.
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Almost done, needs covering and weights on top, will do tomorrow am.
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A few days ago I responded to an ad for free eastern red cedar logs. Today I went to get them. I thought I would get them all in one trip, but I underestimated how big and long they were. My dad also came and brought his truck and little trailer. We put 5 logs about 8' long in his trailer and then my trailer had 4 logs that were between 16 and 18' and around 18" diameter. That was all we got on the first trip. We made a second trip and loaded my trailer again and got all the logs. Some of these have some heart rot, but will still yield a lot of lumber. Some of these are the biggest ERC I've seen around here.
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A guy that runs a LT-35 showed up today with a walnut he couldn't slab.
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Still had to trim it down a little for my mill. Hank put his paw of approval on the 32" wide slabs. I would love to have that slab with the crack!!!
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I'm no longer the big dog, as WM Wide's and TK-2020's have been invading. For those looking at a new mill wide throats will pay dividends!
I like the boss 👍. Looks great. Did you cut them at 2.5 or 3"
My customer told me 3-1/4" thick. He makes custom bar's and uses douglas fir roots for the legs. The douglas fir comes from somewhere around Jackson Hole. They are gorgeous and really unique. I meet the most interesting folks running my sawmill.
I sawed about 1700 bf of tulip poplar today. Some 4X6 posts, some 2X8's 20' long, but mostly 2X8 & 2X4 full thickness. Nothing less than 2" thick. The customer's whole family seemed to be helping. Wife brought sausage & biscuits then hot dogs for lunch. 2 grandsons, one gd, daughter & SIL. They are all interested and lots of fun to teach and spend the day with. I should finish tomorrow.
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nice job @WV Sawmiller (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=28064) I will be sawing poplar all this week,
fine a lot of stress in those smaller ones? only thing I dislike about sawing pop, the juvenile wood likes to talk back just like a teenager, ;D
There's a little tulip around, but I don't get my hands on much of it. Would like to get more of it. That's a nice whack.
Small yellow poplar around here are loaded with stress.
All the tulip I've sawn was decent size. 18" and up. It was well behaved, except for a big live edged slab that split down the middle.
I once had a customer that wanted four 6X6's out of an 18" Poplar. I said no, and he asked why? I told him why, and he said do it. I said no, and he insisted.......
He got exactly what he asked for....... :-X
I'll be sawing four 8x8s out of one log later today. It'll be ewp, so it'll actually work. :)
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I'll be sawing four 8x8s out of one log later today. It'll be ewp, so it'll actually work. :)
You hope....
Only time it didn't work was a very off-center pith oval log growing out of a hill at a 45° angle. I got 9 7x7s, and they wouldn't clean up to 6x6. I've split 15x15x47' before, no problems.
Dave; don't tell anyone where you're pulling down trees that big.
Wow!
. . and those are local to you trees?
Have you got a photo of the tree that will give you a 15x15x47' cant/timber?
2 miles from my house, five miles from the mill.
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Logs 13 miles from home. Mill 30 miles. 52' 12x12.
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I went back to finish the job today. About 1/2 mile from the site I saw a home with about a dozen or so logs (turned out to be red spruce the owner claims his dad planted 75 years ago) in the yard. The owner was walking back with his morning newspaper so I stopped and asked if he was sawing the logs - he was - and if he needed a sawyer - No, he had a good local sawyer he knew lined out but he thanked me for stopping by. He asked where I was sawing and I told him and he knew and liked my customer.
I went on and finished the job. Another family affair and really almost too much fun to call it work. Yesterday the customer was worried he would not have enough logs but I assured him we did. We finally assigned his daughter and gd bookkeeper duties to tell us where we stood with completion of the cut list. That was a great idea and worked out fabulously! The logs were in no order so it was hard to keep up with what we had finished and remaining. The lady would tell me as we pulled up each new log what we needed of each length. Her husband and kids were our helpers and her dad was the customer. Near the end of the job she kept looking at the slab pile and discussed making some live edge slabs. They discussed what thickness for shelves and I said it depended on bracing and expected weight but 1" was common and I discussed using 2X cut into 90* triangles as braces and a 2-4 inch board to attach to the wall. Finally she asked me to saw an ugly 12' top into one LE side boards. I cut a flat spot off the top, rotated 90* against the sides, cut 3 1" LE boards from about 6-8 inches wide. Then I picked it up on the clamp and spun it 180 degrees, put the same back against the side and sawed 3 more one sided LE 4/4 boards. They were very impressed with the technique and the yield. She had planned to send her daughter back for her purse and check book but I told her a log that size was chump change to saw and I'd throw it in but she insisted. When I told her it would only be a few dollars they decided they had that so I sawed the LE boards then 5-8' 2X4's and grabbed some 2" thick scrap out of the slab pile, I gang clamped 5-6 pieces, sawed 2 passes to get 1X2 strips very much like cutting stacking stickers.
Total yield for customer 3061 bf - $995. Daughter got 63 bf -$20. The oldest grandson kept pointing to the good and saying "PawPaw, I can't believe you get this much wood for $1,000. Do you know what Lowes would charge for that?" Everyone was happy and it was a very good job.
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Final yield - 1456 bf today, total nearly 3200 bf for 2 days.
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Final log stack after cutting everything on the list. The customer said he offered them to a neighbor who may come get them and call me. I told him I'd be glad to saw right where they are and he had made the same proposal. We will see. We started with about 60+ and I count about 14 left.
I came home and unloaded with plenty of daylight left. Now it is time for the 850 hour service. I heard and smelled a belt so will be closely checking the alternator (Last time one went was very similar) or drive belt.
Oh BTW - the old neighbor with the Red Spruce came over to talk and visit too.
Quote from: Dave Shepard on April 18, 2021, 05:28:47 PM
2 miles from my house, five miles from the mill.
Logs 13 miles from home. Mill 30 miles. 52' 12x12.
Dave,
I am confused. I thought extended length Woodmizers couldn't be moved. But it looks like you are towing your mill from place to place. Please straighten me out.
hugs, Brandi
Started multiple weekend mobile job yesterday. Customer had a lot cleared to build his retirement home and wants to saw the logs into framing lumber. Mostly tulip poplar, a little maple, and some white oak. He is 67 years old and not in the best shape, so he paid extra for me to provide labor and a tractor. Most of his logs were not bucked to length and covered in mud. Spent a lot of time cleaning logs. Worked 17 hours the last 2 days and got 3100 bf. 2x6s,8s, and 10s. Mostly 14' long. Also a bunch of 1x random width. Total mill time was 11 hours.
There was one short beech log that he wanted cut at the end of the day today.
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it sawed easy, but moved around like a snake. Had some nice figure in it though.
Been cutting bunches of 2x6s and 2x4s, from 8 feet up to 16 feet.
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Having fun in retirement.
Almost have two customers lumber ready for pickup this week.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Bindian on April 18, 2021, 08:29:29 PM
Quote from: Dave Shepard on April 18, 2021, 05:28:47 PM
2 miles from my house, five miles from the mill.
Logs 13 miles from home. Mill 30 miles. 52' 12x12.
Dave,
I am confused. I thought extended length Woodmizers couldn't be moved. But it looks like you are towing your mill from place to place. Please straighten me out.
hugs, Brandi
Two different setups. One is my mill and extension cutging 47'. The other is a different mill with my 24' and another 12' extension cutting 52', with 57' total capacity. Every move is a break down and reassembly.
Quote from: Dave Shepard on April 18, 2021, 08:45:53 PM
Quote from: Bindian on April 18, 2021, 08:29:29 PM
Quote from: Dave Shepard on April 18, 2021, 05:28:47 PM
2 miles from my house, five miles from the mill.
Logs 13 miles from home. Mill 30 miles. 52' 12x12.
Dave,
I am confused. I thought extended length Woodmizers couldn't be moved. But it looks like you are towing your mill from place to place. Please straighten me out.
hugs, Brandi
Two different setups. One is my mill and extension cutging 47'. The other is a different mill with my 24' and another 12' extension cutting 52', with 57' total capacity. Every move is a break down and reassembly.
How long does it take to break it down and to set it up?
hugs, Brandi
You could split the extension and have the axle back under the mill in a couple hours. It has stationary legs that have to come off. Setting up on a new slab, aligning, and drilling new anchors is probably an all day affair. I spent three hours today realigning and setting more anchors and then checking bed to band alignment. People ask me if I have a portable mill. Only if you can move a 60' long, 25 ton slab without breaking it.
Quote from: Dave Shepard on April 18, 2021, 05:28:47 PM
2 miles from my house, five miles from the mill.
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Logs 13 miles from home. Mill 30 miles. 52' 12x12.
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Pretty impressive 👍
Quote from: Dave Shepard on April 18, 2021, 11:34:04 AM
I'll be sawing four 8x8s out of one log later today. It'll be ewp, so it'll actually work. :)
As promised. 4-8x8. Flat and square as can be. Could have made 4-10x10, with a little wane.
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Nice work Dave, and thanks for the photos of the long sticks.
So, with @bindian at 27x 2x4's and you at 4x 8x8's - there's whole lotta squeezing the log for the most bf.
Who's the winner? :D
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I threw this muddy ash log I salvaged while cutting some next years firewood about 60 yards from the house. looked to solid to waste on firewood. I cut 3- 1X10's to finish a customers order and the rest into 1X1 strips I will cut in half for 2 tomato stakes out of each. I started with a used blade and the extra mud sent it diving after 2'. I replaced the blade and it worked fine.
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Sawed a second similar log into tomato stakes. Note my new process I picked up from Rich to load the slabs/edgings on the tractor forks and the lumber on sawhorse to be picked up later. I am liking this and think it will be my new standard practice. I am finding it is much easier to turn around and put the slab on the forks and slide the lumber off on the sawhorses then haul the slabs away when I get done or get a load and come back and pick up the lumber.
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After I moved the boards I still have about 120 sticks or 240 future tomato stakes.
When I finished I had 849.8 hours on the mill so did my 850 hour service. Before I started sawing I checked on the belt smell I got yesterday. Turned out the alternator belt was loose and had twisted. I put it back and tightened and called WM Pa and they added a replacement to a box of bands I'd ordered this morning. Should all be here tomorrow.
I called the customer to let him know his order was ready. I had forgotten he wanted 8' and turns out he can't store the 10' so I'll throw them on the RAS and trim even the excess I usually leave. Won't take but a couple minutes to do that.
Quote from: Andries on April 19, 2021, 07:11:18 PM
Nice work Dave, and thanks for the photos of the long sticks.
So, with @bindian at 27x 2x4's and you at 4x 8x8's - there's whole lotta squeezing the log for the most bf.
Who's the winner? :D
Heck,
If I had known it was a contest, I would have put that 38 inch log on the mill. After bibbying with my new 461 Stihl.
hugs, Brandi
put a walnut log on the mill. right at 36 inch diameter. @Cardiodoc (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51488) and I got this a few weeks ago with his daughter.
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quite a few 2 inch slabs. some crotch figure near on end of the wood. did well despite a big rot pocket and a couple nails
Doesnt look like that blade was any worse for the metal.
i agree. sawed flat and not much change in set. so we finished the log and made another 5 slabs after. it will be changed before the next log, unless it is dirty then I may chance opening the cant with this blade then a new one for the boards.
I'm beginning to feel like I should apply for a MM award for traveling. I tentatively confirmed a job in Charleston WV, 89 miles from here, Saturday morning for a repeat customer up there. It looks like it is only 4-5 logs and they are in the 5' range. I think the biggest is 24" although he may have a 36" log he is talking about splitting with a chainsaw before I get there. It will obviously be a minimum fee applied job. Now I just got an e-mail from a guy 112 miles from here wanting me to come do about a one day job at a campground they are opening for Memorial Day weekend. He needs to build some cabins and sleeping decks/porches and such and wanted me to come saw Saturday and Sunday. I told him I can figure on leaving Charleston then go west about 90 miles to his site and camp there a night or two as needed. I'll get my mill and tent set up Saturday and if time permits we will saw a couple of hours. Then I will come back home Sunday night or Monday making a big triangle trip. This will be the first time I ever overnighted on a mobile job. My big concern now is if the weather will cooperate.
Hey, if you want a long haul job, come on down here to Alabama and I'll get you to saw some of my logs. I can pay you with a fishing trip or food. :D :D I don't have any money, I spent it all on the sawmill. :D :D
Here's some sassafras I cut yesterday. Some nice clean boards, taking 16" off.
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got a burr or pin oak from the tree service working down the street. gave them a couple slabs.
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YH,
Thanks for the offer. First time I have ever been asked to "Saw for food." :D
I found a pair of old classmates have a son there at Huntsville and he is a woodworker so I told her to tell him to come see you and ask for his 50% War Eagle discount. ;)
An Auburn discount? Only if they wear a Crimson Tide hat. :D :D
Quote from: YellowHammer on April 22, 2021, 10:11:04 AM
Only if they wear a Crimson Tide hat. :D :D
Is that better than an Aggie hat? ;)
hugs, Brandi
Brandi,
If he comes in with an Aggie hat Robert probably wouldn't even sell him the sawdust. I probably would not either. :D
Quote from: YellowHammer on April 22, 2021, 08:47:46 AM
Hey, if you want a long haul job, come on down here to Alabama and I'll get you to saw some of my logs. I can pay you with a fishing trip or food. :D :D I don't have any money, I spent it all on the sawmill. :D :D
I figured you would've said you spent it all on fishing gear. :D :D
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on April 22, 2021, 12:12:50 PM
Brandi,
If he comes in with an Aggie hat Robert probably wouldn't even sell him the sawdust. I probably would not either. :D
Well then............Gig'em. ;D
hugs, Brandi
I sawed my first logs for this year yesterday. I'm late getting started this year because I got an order for green firewood this spring and just finished it. I'm a bit confused about the logs I'm sawing.....let me explain.
A neighbor had a tree taken down beside his driveway and offered me any of the wood I wanted for free. A nice looking aspen I thought. I cut the tree into logs and transported them to my log deck. When I opened the log the wood did not look like aspen. It looked more like yellow poplar. But yellow poplar doesn't grow up here. At least that's what I thought. I've never sawed yellow poplar before so I'm not sure but I've seen a lot of pictures of it here on the Forestry Forum. Take a look at these pictures and tell me what you think.
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The pictures don't show it but the heartwood has some green in it. Do you think it's yellow poplar?
Happy sawing.....Cutter
Quote from: cutterboy on April 22, 2021, 07:23:51 PM
I sawed my first logs for this year yesterday. I'm late getting started this year because I got an order for green firewood this spring and just finished it. I'm a bit confused about the logs I'm sawing.....let me explain.
A neighbor had a tree taken down beside his driveway and offered me any of the wood I wanted for free. A nice looking aspen I thought. I cut the tree into logs and transported them to my log deck. When I opened the log the wood did not look like aspen. It looked more like yellow poplar. But yellow poplar doesn't grow up here. At least that's what I thought. I've never sawed yellow poplar before so I'm not sure but I've seen a lot of pictures of it here on the Forestry Forum. Take a look at these pictures and tell me what you think.
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The pictures don't show it but the heartwood has some green in it. Do you think it's yellow poplar?
Happy sawing.....Cutter
Looks like what I know as Tulip Poplar.
If that ain't tulip poplar it's his twin brother. I'm waiting on the experts to respond to this one.
Yep yp :)
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had this third of an oak so before dark I decided to get some quarter sawing in. the sparks were beautiful. see the did something dumb thread. :)
Yup - that's Yellow Poplar, the green will dull to brown in the heart wood.
Quote from: Southside on April 22, 2021, 10:19:37 PM
Yup - that's Yellow Poplar, the green will dull to brown in the heart wood.
Thanks guys for confirming my suspicions. I am surprised to find yellow poplar growing here in north central Massachusetts. I'll have to keep my eyes open and check to see if some of my aspen trees are really yellow poplar.
If the sawdust smelled like aftershave it's tulip poplar. I have done TSI work down around Northampton and Westhampton and cut a few and they all smelled like aftershave.
My guess on the logs would have been cottonwood.
Quote from: RonG on April 23, 2021, 09:41:24 AM
My guess on the logs would have been cottonwood.
That was my thought as well.
No yellow poplar here so I can't compare the two but the exterior bark, rusty colored inner bark, and the wood itself all look like the Eastern Cottonwood I've milled.
Alan
Did you look around for a horse relieving himself after you cut into the log? If so, it's not tulip. The end of the logs look like tulip, but the bark doesn't to me. Very easy to confuse tulip and ash in log form.
Dave,
If you are correct on what Tulip poplar smells like I think Ed_K needs to change his aftershave. :D
Well, at least one yellow poplar grew in your area. They may now be extinct there, but there was at least one up to a few days ago :).
Quote from: Dave Shepard on April 23, 2021, 01:07:40 PMVery easy to confuse tulip and ash in log form.
I just looked up some pictures of tulip bark and you're correct that it does look at awful like like ash. Makes me think even more the posters logs are cottonwood. The bark fissures look more straight and coarse than the interlaced diamonds of ash and, so it would seem, tulip poplar.
Alan
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on April 23, 2021, 01:30:42 PM
Dave,
If you are correct on what Tulip poplar smells like I think Ed_K needs to change his aftershave. :D
I said if it smelled bad, it wasnt tulip. :)
I'm tired of milling Osage. The dust is so fine and I get covered along with the rest of the shop. Everything in the shop is yellow. I also go through a lot of bands, 1-1.5 per log. I have 17 logs of the original 79 left. I've got about 5 big ones and the rest are smaller 10"-13" dia brace logs that will go faster. Here are some 5.5" square posts, and the pic with the burn barrel burning bark and sawdust there is a 13' 8x10, and a 13' 5.75x10 live edge beam.
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The pics posted are yellow poplar. Yellow poplar is diffuse porous. Ash is ring porous. The yellow poplar wood in the pics is diffuse porous. Yellow poplar has alternate branching. Ash has opposite branching. Not similar in the least. Yellow poplar has a simple leaf. Ash has a compound leaf. Not similar in the least. The two trees are do not look alike at all to me.
Milling up a mess of white spruce today...the back is getting a workout doing 2x12's and 2x6's for an upcoming project. Muscling around logs 26" at the butt end, wouldn't want to be without my big cant hook! My back will be feeling it in the morning. I think I need a forklift.
Ordered up the parts for an atv log arch to help the shuttling go smoother once the snow melts...the joys of an all manual mill!
Finishing it up with a home-brew helps with the recovery process.
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Quote from: WDH on April 23, 2021, 10:14:25 PM
The pics posted are yellow poplar. Yellow poplar is diffuse porous. Ash is ring porous. The yellow poplar wood in the pics is diffuse porous.
Thankyou WDH. I know ash and these are not. BTW, they did not smell very nice. Kinda like "essence of manure pile"
Another notch for Cottonwood.
I should know better than to question WDH but everything I've seen and heard matches cottonwood, which i've milled a fair amount of. But like I said I've never seen a tulip poplar in log form.
Alan
A cottonwood log and some surprisingly colorful wood, which mostly fades as it dries.
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Around me the only tree that smells of horse is smooth bark hickory ;D .
Looks pretty Awesome. What sizes did you cut up
Went back to a repeat customer today to make some pine and a few red fir 2x6's. The first 6 or 8 logs were pretty nice 8' in the 24-30" range and the tail gunner struggled to keep up at 380 bd ft hr. Then about the time his helpers showed up, the good wood was gone and we switched to 16' 8-14" range and things slowed down.
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Milled a couple "Gift logs" from a friend. Mulberry (because I wanted to see what it looked like) and a few Walnut logs. I believe the Walnut were actually limbs because of the stress in them and large amount of sapwood. A couple of the Walnut boards actually split from end to end immediately after the cut. I was able to turn them 90 degrees and salvage the rest.
to keep the mulberry yellow keep it out of sunlight. you can plane a surface and get uv protected. finish on soon and keep it more golden. otherwise brown. very nice.
here is a bench. it pops with finish.
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this flitch had been in a pile for a year and cleaned up nice.
I've been told the secret to sawing limbs is to cut them in half and let them rest
Quote from: doc henderson on April 25, 2021, 05:33:01 PM
here is a bench. it pops with finish.
this flitch had been in a pile for a year and cleaned up nice.
Is that mulberry - as in fruit tree with purple or white berries, also leaves that silkworms eat - or another species?
We get mulberry trees here ( silkworm variety) but I've never seen one that would cut a sawlog... They're always scraggly looking things that start branching about a foot above the ground.
Nice boards!
Lurker,
The mulberry you reference is white mulberry. It is from SE Asia, and was the tree used by the silkworm industry to produce silk. It is found in the US as an ornamental that was imported from Asia. The mulberry in the post is red mulberry, our native mulberry in the US. It is similar to the white silkworm mulberry, but not the same species.
Quote from: doc henderson on April 25, 2021, 05:33:01 PM
here is a bench. it pops with finish.
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this flitch had been in a pile for a year and cleaned up nice.
It POPS indeed, Doc!
Oak legs? That bench looks phenomenal..
Steve
thanks. I did not think it would be all that special and did not have mulberry leg stock. they look close when raw, but very different with finish. it had sat in a pile and was yucky brown. nothing a jointer could not fix. @olcowhand (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=37942)
Quote from: WDH on April 26, 2021, 06:50:37 AM
Lurker,
The mulberry you reference is white mulberry. It is from SE Asia, and was the tree used by the silkworm industry to produce silk. It is found in the US as an ornamental that was imported from Asia. The mulberry in the post is red mulberry, our native mulberry in the US. It is similar to the white silkworm mulberry, but not the same species.
Thanks. I did a google and got lost in the number of species. I have a white mulberry tree in the yard (that I'm currently fighting the parrots for fruit of - needless to say the parrots are winning) but the most common variety here is a black fruited one. I think it's "black mulberry" but pictures all look the same so it could be "Korean Mulberry" or your "Red Mulberry" or some other species - never knew there were so many mulberry species.
Won't cut a log but they sure taste good. (food, it always comes back to food) :D
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Saturday I left the house at 6:45 a.m and my wife flagged me down as I started to pull out because the customer called and changed the meeting location. It was a minor difference and probably easier access. I stopped at a Biscuit place and got a steak biscuit and gassed up the mill. On to Charleston. The customer met me 75 miles from my start and led me 15 more miles to the stack of walnut logs in the picture. Our route was directly along the river and the state capital with our famous gold plated dome. The gold is supposed to have come from WV. (I figure it was from my taxes). The customer had scrounged the logs from a sewer line project that took down the tree. He had lost several before he got hold of the right person to get them. Some were good sized but short and hard to load, turn and clamp. I learned one new trick using the lifting arms and a short board to raise and hold the cant while positioning it when the claw and clamp alone won't rotate the log due to its size and shape. I had bought 2 new short chains to go across the lifting arms – a tactic which I had used before and they were very helpful here. I think I used nearly every tool I brought including my Magic hook to slide a heavy short odd shaped log forward, scrap boards between the side supports to clamp against, etc. I had to whittle the cant down to fit between roller guides. I'd run the head down at the start of most of the logs to make sure I had clearance.
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Of course we had at least one obligatory walnut nail. We loaded wide 9/4 LW slabs on his truck until the springs quit moving and we stacked the rest in a nearby yard with a lady in a housecoat who looked like Rose on the Waltons and her 3 ankle biter guard dogs so I am sure they are safe till he returns. The heavy thick dirty bark was hard on my blades and I used 4 cutting about 600-700 bf of lumber. We actually cut more than either I or the customer expected. I finished about 2:00 pm just as the predicted rain started. We were very lucky to have that much time.
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I drove on in light rain along I-79 for 67 miles then another 25-30 along state roads, overshot the site by a couple of miles before I could turn around then got in about 5:00 pm, set up the mill, set up my domicile as shown, drove about 6 miles to check find cell service and check in with the wife and Mom who is in the hospital till Sunday afternoon. At least we had warm water in the bath house but I am afraid that may be the last heat of the night. Now to see if I my blow up air mattress holds air and my sleeping bag and quilt is enough for the 40's predicted tonight. The rain is drumming on my tent so I should sleep well. I might should have brought Sampson but he would only serve as a foot warmer not one half of a two dog night.
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Most of the logs - it started muddy and got much worse as we drove the tractor through it.
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The pond for the campground. Filled with trout and bass. Catfish are coming.
Sunday
Its after 9:00 pm and I'm sitting in a partially finished A-frame cabin where there is a power connection to charge this laptop battery. I'm going to go let this charge while I get a shower when I finish updating this epistle.
I had a cold feet night. Where was Sampson when I needed him! Tonight will also be cold but not as bad. Not sure if my tent leaks or it was condensation. I had some drips and a small puddle in the lower corner. Threw a dirty sock on it to dry it. I got up and went to the mill a few hundred yards away about 7:30 am and got everything lubed and loaded and ready to saw. Customer came down about 8:00 and his helper a few minutes later. We sawed hemlock then a small maple into 2X4s then poplar and a large 10' long, spalted, curly maple into1/2" LE boards with 2- 2" planks for a bookmatch table or such. It was pretty and the customer and helper were thrilled with it. Put 6.7 engine hours on the mill today. Cloudy and I thought we'd get rain but it held off. I think I have about 6 small poplar logs to saw into 4X4's in the morning when we ran out of time. This is no doubt the muddiest job I have ever worked on. It is on a logging type road through the woods ad by the time the drag the logs to the site and turn the tractor several times the whole area is torn up. I will likely have to back in and turn the mill by hand to hook up tomorrow or we will have to pull it out with the tractor or helpers ATV.
We did not get a tally and the customer hauled the lumber to several sites where it will be used here in the campground but it will be an easy tally in the morning. They fed me breakfast for brunch and a very tasty dinner. The helper was a wood-chopping champion here in WV before he hurt his shoulder in a car wreck. He showed me his competition ax and I'd dare say you could shave with it!
I drove up the road 5 miles to get cell reception and let the wife know I was alive and would be home tomorrow. Called and found Mom was out of the hospital and home and talked with her a little but not sure she understood much.
I'll let this charge a while and go scrub some sawdust out of the cracks and crevices. Should get this finished and posted tomorrow.
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The spalted curly maple. The customer and helper loved this.
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The ripples were so bad I had to feel them to determine if I had a tooth out of set but it was in the wood.
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These are a couple of the stacks. The rest were over in place where they will be used.
Monday
I like to froze to death last night and had to get up and find some more clothes to wear so I woke up early and went to the local diner and had a very good breakfast. This town is near Webster Springs where they have a big world famous woodchopping contest Memorial Day. They had a signed copy of the "Don't worry – I hugged it first" T-shirt hanging on the diner wall. The customers saw me come in and they said "Oh, you're the sawmill guy Zave brought in." I love small towns.
We only had 6 more small poplar logs and the customer wanted all 4X4 and said he was using them for timberframe and bow was fine so I sawed a bunch of heart split bananas and told him I was going to have him sign a waiver. He laughed and said he liked the look and some did bow immediately. He was the customer so I gave in. I have rules I always provide the best lumber possible out of the wood I cut but I also have a rule I the customer pays my salary and if after being advised he wants me to do something different and it is not illegal, immoral or unsafe I will try to comply.
We finished, dragged to mill around with the tractor till I could hook up and drive it out then we tallied a little over 1710 bf which was more than the customer's cut list for his imminent projects. The customer settled up in cash with a tip and I went over and packed up my tent and headed home. Total miles for the trip was 330 miles. I got home about 5:00 pm and as I unhooked the mill in the front lot a guy pulled up wanted wood. I told him my rates and he thought he'd cut the logs and bring them to me. It never ends. I see I put 8 engine hours on the mill and used 7 blades for resharp. My debarker earned its way on this trip.
Wow, super trip Howard! If you can't get your clients to put you up in nice 5 star accommodations like MM does then you might want to look into some warmer sleeping gear! ;D
Glad it all worked out on your first road trip as far as I know. Nothing left behind that you needed, and it all got done as you pretty much expected. It's always hard working out of your normal routine. Maybe this is the new normal? :D ;D
Tom - They did feed me though. They actually offered me the use of a camper they had there on the site but I thought the tent would be okay. The customers ladyfriend fixed me, him and our helper and very nice brunch Sunday and a great dinner that night with sausage and the perogis (Sp) - the potato filled pasta, with German Chocolate pecan pie. Yes, I need a better sleeping bag but this was unseasonably cold too.
Howard,
Thanks for sharing the detail of you trip. I particularly liked the camping description/ vision of your over night experiences. The wet tent from condensation/ rain sounds familiar though I don't remember using socks to help manage the moisture. As I read the story I remembered camping trips and back packing with scouts sleeping on a backpacking style air pad waking up to snow on Mt. Philips at Philmont. I really enjoyed those trips. I must admit today, I may have to charge an hourly rate to sleep like that again! :D
Glad you had a safe trip.
@jb616 (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=37766) That's a nice looking clean mulberry log. I've milled a few too. Nothing wrong with those. Generally considered a nuisance tree around me. They volunteer where you don't want them- wherever a bird perches and poops, you get a mulberry. Most a pretty much a scrub tree. If you get an older one with something worth milling, I will mill it.
@doc henderson (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=41041), Nice table top! Is that a flitch that you repurposed? Looks like the outside of the tree on the bottom side? Nice!
Didn't mill anything today, it was my day off 😁 I had a load of Doug fir delivered on Saturday for a pack I'll start milling tomorrow. That wasn't cheap at $650 mbf 😳. Then a load of pine showed up today that I removed from a guy's yard(one log got left behind as it would have put the self loader over height and over weight). Interesting enough, I got 2 orders today for pine 1x4's and 1x8's
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thanks Brad. It is a 12 x 32 inch two seater bench. It sat in a pile of stuff that was waiting for a firewood vs other decision. I mostly wanted to see some finished MB. I wished I had taken more care with it. the oak legs were a close match, until I applied spar urethane.
and you are correct, it was an outside trim to make a cant. (oh yes I can). I often do not immediately see the value in a piece of wood. so I keep some around for awhile. this was dark brown on the outside, and yellow after removing about an 1/8th inch.
Quote from: doc henderson on April 26, 2021, 07:48:42 AM
thanks. I did not think it would be all that special and did not have mulberry leg stock. they look close when raw, but very different with finish. it had sat in a pile and was yucky brown. nothing a jointer could not fix. @olcowhand (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=37942)
You are right Doc. That sure pops! Awesome work.
hugs, Brandi
Didn't mill anything today but did go and fell two trees for my last customer, something I do not normally do. I did it more as a way to get them to take back some of the grossly over payed amount on my last trip to their place. The milling bill was $180 and they paid me $460. I just couldn't in good conscious take that amount (I didn't count the cash until after I had already gotten home). After felling the trees and bucking to firewood chunks I told the man the bill was $2. He gave me a hundred and said he didn't have any ones.
You topped me Lee with that $280 tip. My largest tip was only $180. ::)
Quote from: LeeB on April 27, 2021, 03:51:26 PM
Didn't mill anything today but did go and fell two trees for my last customer, something I do not normally do. I did it more as a way to get them to take back some of the grossly over payed amount on my last trip to their place. The milling bill was $180 and they paid me $460. I just couldn't in good conscious take that amount (I didn't count the cash until after I had already gotten home). After felling the trees and bucking to firewood chunks I told the man the bill was $2. He gave me a hundred and said he didn't have any ones.
Lee,
Your relationship with this guy has transcended "Business" and now you two are just working to a "Who can be Kinder" Competition. You both are the Favorite to "Win".....
Your spirit of Giving is showing....
Steve
I had no intention of sawing anything today until my phone rang at 5:00. ::)
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Well still not much sawing. Three knocked out ERC "logs" and I forgot to take a picture of the 1X6's & 1X8's.
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Nothing like Howard's overnight sawing adventures!
Just the last 50 boards of a 150 board order of one inch live on one edge fence boards. Pine, Hemlock and Spruce.
Maybe no overnight adventure but nice sawing. smiley_thumbsup
I did not saw anything today but I am going to make some planter/coolers stealing MMs idea for Luke's cooler. I'm going to save the top too. I don't have the nice SYP he has so am torn on what to use.
I needed to take wifey's ATV to the shop but my 5X8 trailer was full of tomato stakes so I bundled 23 dozen bundles of them and took the ATV to the shop. I got home and found I'd missed a call yesterday sometime so returned the call and found it was a guy over 100 miles away not too far from where I started Saturday. He had family heirloom type tree at his dad's place on the ground and he is a woodworker. He said it was 40" at the butt and he said either 24 or 26 ft long. He first said it was straight but later he mentioned a fork at about 15 so he was going to go check and send me some pictures. I told him I could not cut 40" so we'd have to split or whittle/gun barrel it down. Evidently it is in an alley behind his dad's house. We discussed the length of the logs and possible ways to roll them around to access them or possibly backing the mill next to the tree if there is room. The customer had been getting dejected and afraid he was going to lose the tree/lumber he wanted to make into special projects for his kids and grandkids. You could hear him getting excited as we talked about options. We checked the FF list but did not see another member sawyer listed closer to him then we tried the WM list and found a couple of possibilities. I told him with mileage and minimum fees it would cost him at least $450 for me to come saw it and he said that was possible so I suspect he'll be calling back. He had been to the FF but did not know to check the Extras and found a Google map of mills in the state and found me that way from my website.
My last job at the campground was the first job I know I have gotten from the WM Pro-Sawyer listing although some may have seen it and then looked up my website. Most of my work comes from a local trader paper I keep a services ad in for $10/month. My next source is local half page flyers in local business bulletin boards then my website. My truck door signs have gotten me several very good jobs and every week I see somebody's eyes light up and lock on it and they head my way and I roll down the window and hand him my business card as soon as they get there and we talk. Now I am getting more and more from referrals and repeat customers. Referrals are always best because you have already been vetted by a trusted friend or co-worker. Flea market trips to sell benches and birdhouses and crates and talk to people and hand out business cards nets me work every year although some are many months after my initial meeting. If I see a likely looking stack of logs by the road I stop and talk and if nobody is around I staple a card to the end of highly visible log.
I noticed an oil radiator heater in the downstairs bathroom and kick myself for not taking it last weekend as my tent site had a power pole 6' away and my tent would have been toasty warm!
I have an order for lots of 16 foot and 20 foot 2x8s and 2x6s. Last Friday, I cut 2x6s for this 16 foot pallet. Saturday and Sunday I cut the 41 2x8s sitting on it.
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Now I am (in the process of) cutting 74 sixteen foot 2x6s. After that, it will be 74 twenty foot 2x6s. I like cutting 2x6s way better than 2x8s. It's way harder to get two stacks of 2 bys with 2x8s from the medium size logs. Some where in all that cutting I did this.......
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I got woke up this morning, at 7:20, by my land clearing friend's excavator operator. Said he had long logs for me. He cut them to 21 feet.
I was glad to see they were medium logs, as my telehandler, Bull, is in the repair shop getting it's leaning front wheel assembly fixed. The Mahindra was able to lift them off the trailer and slowly take them to the "over 20 foot" log bunks.
I had to use my new Magic Hook 8) to lift one log, as it was wedged in between the other logs. It was tight and all my pocket stakes were wedged by the outer logs. I blocked one end up and moved the hook to the other end. Lifted like designed, where I could get the grapple around it.
Then I cleaned up and took a nap. Who says working in retirement doesn't include naps?
hugs, Brandi
A catnap has been part of my work day for most of the last 35 years - I'm looking forward to retirement so I can get serious about it. :)
Started cutting some of the ERC logs I picked up last week. Yesterday I cut about 50 mostly 1x6, but a few 1x4 as well. I put out an ad to sell them for $2/bf and also a buy all price. I usually do the buy all price because I know if people come and look thru them that some of them won't sell anyway. They're never all perfect, but useful for something. The first guy replied in about 15 minutes and wanted me to deliver. I told him $40/hour plus fuel, he ended up replying that was fine, but not before someone else said they would pick them up the next day. Long story short, guy is picking up these today and I will saw more tomorrow and deliver to the other guy. I suspect I will be able to do the same with all of the logs I have. After I saw all the cedar I have, I'm gonna saw white oak 1x6 and see if I can move them quickly.
Brandi,
That's real pretty wood. The 20's are going to be a bear to handle I bet.
I'm sure glad I never nicked a clamp like that. ::) People ask me how come one tooth on my claw turner is shorter than the other and I tell them it just came that way I guess. :D
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Believe it or not, there is occasionally a log I can't get anything useful out of except Firewood. This Osage log was split every which way naturally. I have no choice but to just slice it into 2 inch thick pieces and then trim them to Firewood Length. This is the first log that's been trash out of 79.
Brandi:
There are less expensive ways of dusting the top of the log clamp such as a fox tail brush.
If it is any consolation you aren't the first to do that. I know as I done dooded it myself.
Most apt to happen when you are tired or not yet awake.
GAB
I sawed a small red cedar for a customer similar to that a month ago. I ended up with a piece that looked like a trident on the end tapering off as it ran out at different angles. The customer was going to fill in between with epoxy. It turned out real pretty but was a pain to clamp and saw.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on April 28, 2021, 09:01:08 AM
Brandi,
That's real pretty wood. The 20's are going to be a bear to handle I bet.
I'm sure glad I never nicked a clamp like that. ::) People ask me how come one tooth on my claw turner is shorter than the other and I tell them it just came that way I guess. :D
Howard,
Thanks! The pallet is placed right were I can slide the long ones right off the mill to the pallet. Only hard part is the first board on a new layer's loose stickers. Then I have to slide it as far as I can, then lift it to position it on the stickers. No problem and it makes me sleep harder! ;D
hugs, Brandi
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Believe it or not, there is occasionally a log I can't get anything useful out of except Firewood. This Osage log was split every which way naturally. I have no choice but to just slice it into 2 inch thick pieces and then trim them to Firewood Length. This is the first log that's been trash out of 79.
Brad,
What brand of forklift is that. How about a better photo of it? Please?
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: GAB on April 28, 2021, 10:51:31 AM
Brandi:
There are less expensive ways of dusting the top of the log clamp such as a fox tail brush.
If it is any consolation you aren't the first to do that. I know as I done dooded it myself.
Most apt to happen when you are tired or not yet awake.
GAB
GAB,
I know I am not the first one to do it. I did it before when I cut a 3/8 inch slot in it. But the dust was hiding it in the photo. It seems to always happen when someone is watching or upsets my train of thought. Guess I should of looked one more time to make sure it would clear. It's amazing how it looks like it will clear before you cut into the wood.
hugs, Brandi
@Bindian (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=17364) do I remember right , that you attach the pre-made pallets to your pallets ? I know the 2 x 8's were for an order, but if you air dry wood on that set up do you have an issue of them bowing down in the middle ?
Brandi - there are two types of sawyers. Those who try to saw off pieces of their sawmill - and those who deny having tried to do so.... :D
Quote from: trimguy on April 28, 2021, 04:02:02 PM
@Bindian (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=17364) do I remember right , that you attach the pre-made pallets to your pallets ? I know the 2 x 8's were for an order, but if you air dry wood on that set up do you have an issue of them bowing down in the middle ?
I noticed the 16 foot pallet bowing a little this morning. I have not had that problem with the 12 foot pallets.
After the customer picked up the 2x8s, I added another 40x48 inch pallet under the middle. He picked up less than half the order today, but paid for half of the total.
Good thing he came and picked up what he did. The little car carry trailer and the "mini" pickup were groaning when they left with 41 sixteen foot 2x8s and 42 sixteen foot 2x6s. I told him he may want to get a bigger trailer for the rest, or make two more trips. His remaining order is 74 twenty foot 2x6s and 32 sixteen foot 2x6s.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Southside on April 28, 2021, 09:53:13 PM
Brandi - there are two types of sawyers. Those who try to saw off pieces of their sawmill - and those who deny having tried to do so.... :D
I can neither deny or support any accusation that I was trying to saw off ANY parts made by Woodmizer. say_what
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on April 28, 2021, 09:01:08 AM
Brandi,
That's real pretty wood. The 20's are going to be a bear to handle I bet.
I'm sure glad I never nicked a clamp like that. ::) People ask me how come one tooth on my claw turner is shorter than the other and I tell them it just came that way I guess. :D
Okay Howard. I just snapped to it after replying to what Southside wrote.
My 2018 LT40HD has the backstops up when the claw comes up. How in the heck can you hit the claw and not the backstops???????????????????????
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Bindian on April 28, 2021, 11:12:19 PM
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on April 28, 2021, 09:01:08 AM
Brandi,
That's real pretty wood. The 20's are going to be a bear to handle I bet.
I'm sure glad I never nicked a clamp like that. ::) People ask me how come one tooth on my claw turner is shorter than the other and I tell them it just came that way I guess. :D
Okay Howard. I just snapped to it after replying to what Southside wrote.
My 2018 LT40HD has the backstops up when the claw comes up. How in the heck can you hit the claw and not the backstops???????????????????????
hugs, Brandi
My claw is missing about 3/4" of the first point on the front side🙈 I was using it to help hold a monster maple crotch in place while I was slabbing it. Then I forgot it was higher than the side supports, but I got reminded 🤓
Crossroads,
I have his twin brother. WM must have got a load of defective claws that year and we both got one. :D
@Bindian (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=17364) Brandi, It's a John's forklift conversion.
https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=65543.msg978924#msg978924
97% of their conversions were done using Farmall BN's, but they did do some other tractors. I just picked up an Allis Chalmers WD45 John's forklift.
https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=114992.msg1815211#msg1815211
John's forklift are very hard to come by. They were located just outside Grand Rapids Mi, and most of the converted forklifts have stayed in Mi with the Veggie, apple and cherry farmers. They rarely give them up. I got these two for a very good prices $4400 back in 2015, and $4500 three weeks ago respectively. They are both missing their original ROPS. I will fab new ones eventually. If you do find one of these, you're more likely to pay $7500-maybe $12,000 in good to excellent condition. They are super handy with rough terrain capability, tight turn radius, and a 2500 LB lifting capacity, maybe a little more with some. It will lift about 98 percent of the logs I've dealt with. I've had a WO log that was probably just a hair over 3K LBs. I got it in the barn one end at a time and after about a year, it lost enough water that I could pick it up normally.
I sawed ERC all morning. I had some really disappointing logs. Almost every log I sawed had heart rot and hollow centers. My pile of boards is smaller than the pile of waste, but still not bad since I got the logs free and I've already sold this and the stuff I cut several days ago. I still have 5 big 20' logs to saw. I'm hoping that they are better quality. I've never delivered lumber before, but this guy asked If I would deliver, so I'm going to charge him by the hour and for fuel. He was OK with that and I don't mind being paid to drive.
@firefighter ontheside (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=26921) , don't forget to get full payment before any material comes off your truck. I'm sure you've read the posts here about some of these characters? Once it's on the persons property, they can tell you to pound sand and leave and you won't have any recourse without engaging an attorney which would cost more than the wood.
Thanks Brad. I was thinking about what exactly I would do. I was thinking about suggesting that he pay me for the wood before I leave home and then pay me for delivery when I get there. Maybe as you say, I will just take payment before I take any wood off the trailer.
I am thinking about advertising my services as a mobile sawyer, but with my lower throughput on the Logosol F2+ I'm not sure how to charge. With the slower speed on my mill charging by the board foot seems the most logical, but I don't really know where to start. I'm not from the area and don't know any other sawyers. Not trying to make a huge profit, just perhaps pay for my mill with some side work.
A board foot is a board foot, no matter how fast it was made. With the current price of lumber and the state of things I don't see $0.45 / BF being unreasonable for portable sawing. The question is does your production rate justify you working for that price?
Quote from: Southside on April 29, 2021, 11:00:28 PM
A board foot is a board foot, no matter how fast it was made. With the current price of lumber and the state of things I don't see $0.45 / BF being unreasonable for portable sawing. The question is does your production rate justify you working for that price?
Thanks! Logosol estimates the F2+, assuming everything is going well I assume, can mill "Three to four logs per hour" which I find to be a bit of an exaggeration. Maybe 3-4 logs per hour if they are all under 16" DBH. Still, going by the 3-4 logs per hour I should be able to produce 100+ bf per hour, assuming I have logs to do it. Definitely not the kind of profit I would like to see, but $30+/hr isn't too bad after fuel costs. I'm in a few "homesteading" type groups on FB and I see people ask every so often about clearing land. Perhaps I could build a niche market out of being able to get out to remote areas with the mill.
Spent a third of the day yesterday sawing 3"-8" ERC poles into live edge 1" and 3/4"
Regular customer, had 1200 bf of other nice ash and tulip.
Hours for 398 BF log scale of logs having 3 to 27 BF intl log scale each in them.
That's what he wanted. Good practice with the clamp. ::)
Today's job started with two 15' x 18" white oak logs that the customer wanted quartersawn.
Besides the diameter, the other problem was that they were curved and not just in one dimension. And not slightly curved either.
Also he wanted full length deck boards which needed to be heartwood only.
I tried words which only confused both of us.
Ended up as a stack of mostly 12" boards cant sawn so they stayed pretty flat.
Looking at what the pith was doing in these explained what the words couldnt.
There would have been not a single full length quartersawn board wider than 3" had we even tried for that.
Did not saw anything today but loaded up a trailer and truck load of assorted wood to take to the flea market to sell and as an advertising trip tomorrow. I think I had 15 benches. I sanded and re-applied tung oil to 3 maple and 2 walnut benches. Added a 2nd metal sledgehammer type wedge to 2 WO benches with loose legs that really seemed to have done the trick on tightening them. I loaded a 4'X2'X1' on 3' legs raised bed planter, 10-12 dozen tomato stakes, birdhouses, some walnut cookies, a Lictenburg RO slab, 5 new log planters, some crates and some square inch pricing trimmed out walnut pieces, etc. I'll talk and pass out cards and maybe sell a few small items - hopefully enough to pay the mileage and lot fee. Mostly such trips results in a mobile sawing job or two. I will also take dozens of photos from around the world and the local area my wife took and printed up.
While loading up I got a call from a guy wanting 25' long logs sawed into beams I think. I told him look for someone with a mill with an extension but if no luck to call back and I'd try it. I have not used the technique for sawing logs longer than the mill but reviewed it again here in the Knowledge base and would try it if necessary. Sounded like he needed about 15 logs sawed for some timber framing technique. I think he is going to come see me at the flea market tomorrow as it is not far from his home.
Then a neighbor/customer called and wanted 2 more 6"X6"X10' poplar posts to add to some he bought a while back. I offered to cut them out of a 16' stock log I have today but he was in no hurry so I'll likely go see if I can't get them out of a 16-18 inch log that fell just inside my property line last week. It looked to be hollow at the base so I don't know how far up I have to cut to get to solid wood but I'll see. I'll get them next week from it or another as needed.
Hank say's this one smells like money!
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The perfect walnut for me to slab on my mill. 31" on the big end, 37" across the crotch which will take minimal trimming. 14' long and fairly straight. Has just the right amount of defect to make for interesting slabs.
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After 14 days of unbroken rain we finally saw the sun Friday and today I managed to get the fire going with a couple gallons of diesel.
There were still wisps of smoke coming out from underneath but I was concerned that more rain might be coming and wanted to reduce the volume while I could.
That's the first match I've used since about August last year. One day I'm going to build a big Stirling Cycle engine to run an alternator with and use all that waste heat wisely.
Quote from: Southside on April 28, 2021, 09:53:13 PM
Brandi - there are two types of sawyers. Those who try to saw off pieces of their sawmill - and those who deny having tried to do so.... :D
I think I hit one of my aluminum log clamps within the first five passes! Last fall I bumped the guide rail with my top handle chainsaw while cutting a knot. Learned my lesson both times!
John and I sawed a few cypress logs Thursday after work and a few more yesterday evening. We spent more time pulling them out of the pond than we did sawing. These wont be on sticks long but I did not want them to mold while awaiting pickup. With the price of lumber and the limited amount of cypress we have on hand we did not slab them heavy and ended up with a cull stack of shorter than 16' and narrower than 6' boards.
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Nice looking lumber.
I have been sawing white pine the last few days. I logged some of these last November and some this past January. These logs were not the best. They would never win a prize unless it was for ugly.
How's this for a centered pith?
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And a little bit of rot to make it fun.
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This log showed a lot of red.
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This next one looks a lot better as a cant than a log.
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This next log is probably the best of the lot. At least it was straight and round without any big knots and it gave some pretty good lumber.
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I just have two more logs to saw. Should finish them up tomorrow.
A couple of beauties. ::)
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Not the best logs or lumber but the boards will be fine for building a shed or making a fence or whatever. It will all sell.
Happy sawing.....Cutter
Quote from: cutterboy on May 02, 2021, 07:26:09 PMHow's this for a centered pith?
Actually very good and you will saw through from either the horn or hump side and produce lumber which will bow rather than crook which is fine for your stated use.
I'd be surprised if it did much of anything. White pine mostly just lays there. Like an odd barn cat that just can't be bothered to get off a bale of hay and chase that mouse. :D
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I got a call from a guy down the road last week wanting 2- 10'X6"X6" poplar posts so I cut a tree and these logs out of the top and dragged them to the mill. We had a break in the weather for a while so I decided to saw them today. When I removed the cover I found the plastic plug going into the aluminum block in the fuel tank had broken so I called WM NC and they had one in stock and are shipping it today. I think I had broken the other end once before and found I could just stick the hose in the tank and it would feed so I tried again and it did. I topped up the tank a little to make sure the end was under the surface. I sawed the 2 posts and got 34 bf of 1" 8' & 10' side lumber. I did not get a completed picture because it started thundering and I just barely got the mill covered and the tools put up. It was raining when I came back to the house.
Rolled into a new job site today, had about 5 Acers to set up on and found a nice flat spot. The logs were all brought to the mill with a grapple skidder. All nice 16' logs. The first 4 hours we cut 125 2x6x16 with quite a few 1x4 and 2x4 from side wood. Then the second half of the day we cut 1x3 and 1x8. Ended the day right at 3400 bd ft. Customer was very happy with the quality and production.
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Nice! What diameter are these and are they hard on blades?
Did I travel 76 miles to saw this?
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Not even enough logs to make a whack.
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The customer bringing me the first log.
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And what is this??
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The customer asked if I could saw a big "Cherry" log?
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Yup the very rare and very elusive "Hackcherry". :-X
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Minimum sawing job and I rolled out of there 5 hours after setting up. :)
I have a local SYP framing lumber job scheduled for Saturday for a many times repeat customer.
The old and highly valuable spalted Hackcherry. Did you tell the customer?
Even the pine were turning, did you tell him he should have called about a year ago? :D :D
It seems that a year late is about my normal sometime, but it pays the same. Those had pencil size worm holes a couple of inches deep so I slabbed deep. No matter, just get what is there and cull the rest.
He had asked last time I was there if I could saw Cherry? After we finished the SYP he brought the Hackcherry up. I suppose that they had seen berries on it and assumed Cherry. Anyway it became an 8X12 Mantel, plus the rest in various live edged stuff.
I sawed several thousand bdft of this mineralized poplar. I've been trying different sawing orientations, moving to a "vertical grain" or partial vertical grain much like pine flooring. For some wood, the vertical grain really makes the contrast jump out. It will also make it dry flatter.
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Ouch!!! That hurt my eyes, but you already knew that it was outstanding. I would say that you get the daily prize and your name goes on da wall. smiley_thumbsup smiley_thumbsup
Those should go into the Hall of Fame.
YH: That poplar is definitely unique, customers must go crazy for it.
Isn't it a pity that the green/ purple fades so quickly. Sitting in the stack on the shed it lasts but out in the light for a few days you can see it turning brown. I made a casket for a friend , stunning in construction but died before delivery
Quote from: WDH on May 07, 2021, 08:12:10 AM
Those should go into the Hall of Fame.
Or maybe the Hall of Frames. :D
Pretty wood there Robert.
The mineralization is odd in that when exposed to UV light, it will darken a couple a shades or two. The reds turn purple, the purples turn almost black, and the blacks turn jet black. The light colored areas will stay light, and maintain a good contrast, which is striking. So as it ages, it will almost look liked streaked walnut. The red wavelengths will fade quick, but the darker stuff just stays dark. That's one of the reasons I'm trying to vertical grain saw this stuff, even if the darks turn darker, and the lights stay light, it will still have some really wicked contrasting stripes and patterns vs just big blobs of pigment in flat sawn rainbow poplar.
Since it's sensitive to UV, the best finishes are those that have UV blockers and inhibitors, and the worst are oils and yellow polyurethanes. They will cause it to turn dark and loose the colors in a short time. Especially the yellow polyurethanes, when added to the yellow shades of polar, really darken things up. I've seen some polys turn the colors almost black in a matter of hours. It still looks good, but not the intent. Heavy epoxy finishes will do the same.
The best are the extremely clear and highly UV resistant finishes, they will keep the colors for a very long time.
Quote from: terrifictimbersllc on May 06, 2021, 02:42:13 AM
Nice! What diameter are these and are they hard on blades?
In that pile, they ranged from 10" to 20", but the land owner was logging while we were milling, I ended up with a lot of butt cuts that range from 20-32" on the scale end. Everything that wouldn't fit through a 28" debarker ended up in my lap. He was logging with a grapple skidder and all of the logs were pretty dirty and were hard on blades. The red fir does seem to be a little harder on blades than the pine and they seem to go from good to not so good in one cut. This family was a pleasure to work with and they feed me lunch all 3 days. I will also be buying some of the logs in the picture that were left over after the cut list was filled. We ended up with 6750 bd ft in 19 hrs. Everything was 16' 2000' was 2x6 and the rest was 1x4 and 1x8.
I don't normally work Saturdays, but this was for a many times repeat customer that does not have the option to have days off during the week, so sometime we do what we do.
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18 Smallish SYP logs 12" to 20" top ends and all fresh felled. He brought each log to the sawmill with the tractor/FEL.
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2533 bf of 2X4's, 6's, & 8's plus some White Oak 4X4's.
JohnM and I milled some cedar yesterday. That was a good change of pace as we have not had any big enough to mess with in a while. These have been lying around in the yard of a friend of ours who owns a tree service. The sapwood was rotten but they still turned out some nice slabs and should make interesting looking live edges after the doty sapwood sluffs off.
We also had some pine to saw this week. The newly installed $50 CL dust collector kept up well with the pine and cedar. After sawing cypress I had to disassemble it and spend a fair amount of time digging out wet, compacted cypress goo.
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My LT 15 may be a manual mill but one doesn't have to do everything by hand. Biggest Douglas Fir so far. Had to Bibby it down a bit. Got 43 2x6 s out of it for the Daughters barn we are building.
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Another Fir. This one I pulled up off the beach in front of my house. It would have escaped from a Boom that was being towed to a Dryland sort or a sawmill. I got this 8 footer and a 12 out of it. Very nice wood.
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Spent the day milling some pine old girl did ok
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1st time cutting Basswood, 3 logs Saturday evening. One end on the big one was pretty much junk (rot and carpenter ants) but there was enough in the 9' log to get some good stock. Cut everything 12/4, we've had a number of inquiries for it. Interesting stuff
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When I was sawing a lot of basswood I sharpened some WM bands to 15 degree hook angle. I was flying through the logs! Basswood saws really fast no matter what band ya use.
Be sure to keep it well ventilated with good air flow as I understand it is bad to mildew. I cut 1,000 bf or so in 4/4, 8/4, 12/4 & 16/4 and kept a 30" fan on it for over 2 months.
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CSM'ing some free white oak, freshly felled. This was my first time being particularly diligent about keeping the chain sharp every couple passes and it went very well. Got some 93x15 boards out of it 5/4, 6/4 and randomly sawed a 16/4 just to see how heavy it would be and if I could handle it without equipment.
Rotated it to saw through some interesting knot patterns and will get some 93x8 boards later in the week. Stack and sticker this weekend hopefully.
Sawdust cleanup in the driveway is always fun. I'm lucky to have neighbors that support my nonsense and are always curious what I've got going on. My neighborhood nickname has become NeverEZ as my initials are EZ and all the things I do around the house never seem easy (to them). :D
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on May 10, 2021, 10:45:00 PM
Be sure to keep it well ventilated with good air flow as I understand it is bad to mildew. I cut 1,000 bf or so in 4/4, 8/4, 12/4 & 16/4 and kept a 30" fan on it for over 2 months.
Thanks for the heads up. I'll put a fan on it tonight.
And some Paulownia this afternoon. Sharp chain cuts like butter.
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Quote from: VB-Milling on May 11, 2021, 07:23:03 PM
And some Paulownia this afternoon. Sharp chain cuts like butter.
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VB,I'm curious as to what you will be using this wood for ?What experience have you had with Paulownia?Nice looking wood.
Done got dibs on a few big paulownia yard trees around town when they are cut down. Folks say they make a mess in their yards and don't like them. Flat sawn is beautiful. Wood is very light and paddle makers love it.
Paulownia grows like a weed here (like 1 ring per radial inch). Getting it to stay flat when drying is problematic. Good Luck.
Wudman
@tule peak timber (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=25190)
I use paulownia to build garden tool boxes and for cleats to attach the bottom ribbing in the planter boxes I build. Nice and lightweight, rot resistant and plenty strong enough.
I have some future ideas to make knickknack boxes with box joints as I think the look is pretty cool. Glues up well and dries pretty flat.
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Good wood to have around. Dries quick and easy. Hope the dibs you have is honored.
Maybe when my BSM is delivered, and I get then hang of things, I might try my hand at marketing it and selling it locally.
@Wudman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=624)
I've had good luck with it drying flat. Perhaps because I'm using trees that have been down for several years and the logs are usually no longer than 5ft long or so.
That work looks great. Glad it works. We tried making some molding with it years ago with little success.
Wudman
Quote from: VB-Milling on May 12, 2021, 09:09:50 AM
I use paulownia to build garden tool boxes and for cleats to attach the bottom ribbing in the planter boxes I build. Nice and lightweight, rot resistant and plenty strong enough.
I did not know it was rot resistant. Besides being light, another plus.
Sometimes ya get lucky, other times.........
Sawing 10/4 white oak out of 16' logs. This log clearly showed metal on the butt. I debarked a couple feet up the log and it looked clean. Plan was to try and saw around the metal as the customer really needed 16' lumber.
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Got one clean slab than on the next cut hit wire in two locations opposite of the stain on the butt.
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Wacked off 4' of the log and proceeded to saw without incident.
Me hates 10/4 lumber, heavy!!!
Oh well, next job is sawing 20' - 6 X 6 white oak posts. Wonder if they will be heavy? :D :D
VB, your projects with the wood look very good. I don't know anything about this type of wood and last year I was approached by some wackodoodle that was planning on growing hundreds of acres of this wood for the furniture market. I talked with him quite a bit noting that he was looking to irrigate in the desert near me on some of the most expensive land per acre in CA. The whole thing sounded pretty weird to me and I was honest with him about what it would take to cut, transport to me and for me to develop containers of the stuff. We parted ways in short order.
Again, you are niche projects look pretty darn good.
Quote from: tule peak timber on May 12, 2021, 01:02:47 PM
VB, your projects with the wood look very good. I don't know anything about this type of wood and last year I was approached by some wackodoodle that was planning on growing hundreds of acres of this wood for the furniture market. I talked with him quite a bit noting that he was looking to irrigate in the desert near me on some of the most expensive land per acre in CA. The whole thing sounded pretty weird to me and I was honest with him about what it would take to cut, transport to me and for me to develop containers of the stuff. We parted ways in short order.
Again, you are niche projects look pretty darn good.
Thank you for the kind words.
Seems to have been some people's strategy in my neck of the woods as well. My area is too suburban, but a couple hundred miles west of me, its rampant.
The neighbor I get it from planted quite a bit of acreage in the late 90s for export and missed the proverbial boat from my understanding. Now he just trailers a few logs back for me every time he visits his property, so one could say I have an endless supply.
Sawed some white oak trailer decking this afternoon.
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6/4x8x16'. Tough to handle when you're working by yourself, but pays pretty good so it's worth it.
@tule peak timber (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=25190) was that the guy who claims to run all over the place planting the stuff? Tries to convince landowners they will make a fortune?
FWIW I put some into an accent wall last year for a customer and it came out quite flat and nice. I was shocked as the log was 7 years old and 12" in diameter. I did put the lumber on the bottom of the stack so that helped. You could tell which wood it was after the kiln for sure!!
Paulownia was a bit of a plantation fad around here a few years back, super fast growing yada yada yada.
Light, white, reasonably rot resistant... great for shutters and the like and used here as an alternative to Western Red Cedar (WRC is imported obviously) Termites love the stuff so it's not much good in ground contact though.
Mostly though we exported it to Japan. It's quite popular there, though demand comes and goes subject to fashion and exchange rates.
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VB,I'm curious as to what you will be using this wood for ?What experience have you had with Paulownia?Nice looking wood.
While a landscape architecture student at WVU in the 80's, I was lucky to be able to spend two summers in the New River Gorge in southern WV inventorying historic coal mining features in the area that has become the national park and preserve. It was really remote then and we would hike the benches along the gorge for hours and were amazed when we would come across these four wheeler paths that looked like they were cut through a jungle. They always lead to a paulownia stump. The trees were planted as part of mine reclamation. We were told at the time that the locals were getting crazy money for it because it was being exported for use as a ceremonial wedding bowl.
My son studied forestry at Glenville State WV and at the time he was there he said the Paulonia (Japanese Princess Tree/Butterfly tree, etc) was the most valuable wood in the state. I have sawed a little and it saws like butter.
Quote from: Patrick NC on May 12, 2021, 08:41:06 PM
Sawed some white oak trailer decking this afternoon.
This seems like a good way to produce some useful "first" boards on my new mill if I can find some 10ft white oak logs...guess I have 4 months to track some down.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on May 13, 2021, 08:07:29 AM
My son studied forestry at Glenville State WV and at the time he was there he said the Paulonia (Japanese Princess Tree/Butterfly tree, etc) was the most valuable wood in the state. I have sawed a little and it saws like butter.
Quote from: Southside on May 12, 2021, 11:41:05 PM
FWIW I put some into an accent wall last year for a customer and it came out quite flat and nice. I was shocked as the log was 7 years old and 12" in diameter. I did put the lumber on the bottom of the stack so that helped. You could tell which wood it was after the kiln for sure!!
Quote from: Wattwood on May 13, 2021, 07:51:30 AM
While a landscape architecture student at WVU in the 80's, I was lucky to be able to spend two summers in the New River Gorge in southern WV inventorying historic coal mining features in the area that has become the national park and preserve. It was really remote then and we would hike the benches along the gorge for hours and were amazed when we would come across these four wheeler paths that looked like they were cut through a jungle. They always lead to a paulownia stump. The trees were planted as part of mine reclamation. We were told at the time that the locals were getting crazy money for it because it was being exported for use as a ceremonial wedding bowl.
Quote from: longtime lurker on May 13, 2021, 05:36:12 AM
Paulownia was a bit of a plantation fad around here a few years back, super fast growing yada yada yada.
Light, white, reasonably rot resistant... great for shutters and the like and used here as an alternative to Western Red Cedar (WRC is imported obviously) Termites love the stuff so it's not much good in ground contact though.
Mostly though we exported it to Japan. It's quite popular there, though demand comes and goes subject to fashion and exchange rates.
I feel like once the mill arrives, I get a bunch more experience, and feel comfortable taking on small sawing jobs, there is money to be made somehow with Paulownia whether from something I build to sell, or just the boards themselves....but let's not get too far ahead of myself LOL
All the above comments make perfect sense as to why I got the phone call in the first place.As I stated before I know nothing about Paulomia ,,,but I have written a few business plans.
The guy that called me sounded more like a "newbie" facilitator who didn't know anything about wood or milling. He wanted detailed numbers on transportation, milling costs, production rates and volume capabilities. In short, he wanted me to develop HIS business plan for free no less.
It's obvious that with the cost of land and the cost of water in S. CA, the only thing that makes sense to grow is dope, sadly. We parted ways, and I'll have nothing to do with the dope growers either.
TPL,
Don't you love it when they do that? :D I get calls all the time where somebody wants me to tell them what it will cost to saw or sell them enough lumber to build a house or a shed or such. I should just start telling them it will be between $100 to one million based on the the size and design. When you start asking questions like floor joist sizes and rafter spacing, they are lost.
I now just tell them to give me a cut list and I'll plug it into my spreadsheet and it will spit out the cost for them. I had a guy 2 weeks ago who wanted to add a lean-to to two sheds and he wanted the cost to build them and he kept telling me the current shed sizes. I did not know the rafter length, slope, height of the wall, spacing on his nailers or anything.
I saw an ad on marketplace for a blue pickup. $10,000. Didn't even have a picture.
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To start with I locked the horse and mule in their stalls and brought in a load of firewood then forgot to close the gate so when I let them out Blackjack spotted the gate open and ran up and down the road showing off his fresh manicure. A neighbor spotted him and honked and my wife yelled to me and I went out on the ATV and brought him back. He seemed happy to get me in trouble and took a good roll to show off.
A neighbor stopped by and bought about 80 bf or so of air dried 8' poplar. I offered to saw him some thinner stuff like he preferred but he wanted the air dried stock.
A guy called a couple weeks ago wanting 2-10' 6X6 poplar posts which I cut a week ago then he call called this morning wanting 2 more and i told him I could cut them today but he was out of the area and agreed to come Monday so I bucked another couple of logs off one I'd cut before and snaked it down with the ATV.
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The 2 bottom logs are 10' and there is a 6' log left a few feet out of the picture. I cut flitches off both sides and left the center 6" then stood it up and repeated getting 1X6 side lumber. I edged the flitches and got board from 1X4 to 1X8 that I stacked and stickered and will eventually sell or use.
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John is sick (Hydraulic problem) so loaded the lumber on the cart and left the posts on the sawhorses till next week. Total 158 bf off the 2 little logs. The short blocks are leftovers from this weeks log planters.
You have to have a little excitement with the furry friends 👍. Cute rascal
I get those same calls "How much for a 16'x24' deck?" Umm - just the decking? "No the whole thing" - they never produce a cut list so I don't venture too far into it. Also get the calls - "How much for fencing for 1/2 acre?".....
VB I would suggest something other than dried white oak as your first log on the new mill.
I guess the answer we should be giving is: "Assuming you want 1" thick decking lumber, a 16'X24' deck is 384 bf and that will cost you $__ picked up here at my site". Then we can let them figure what they are going to mount it to, bannister materials, posts, framing, etc. ;)
My first response used to be, how long is a piece of string
Quote from: Southside on May 13, 2021, 10:53:31 PM
VB I would suggest something other than dried white oak as your first log on the new mill.
A wonderful suggestion @Southside (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=24297) I've got some small cedar logs and some other randoms I can cut my teeth with...
I more meant after weeks of messing around, and dialing everything in, I could "attempt" to cut some nice WO boards for my trailer.
Quote from: woodyone.john on May 14, 2021, 02:10:09 AMMy first response used to be, how long is a piece of string
John,
I guess you never grew up in the deep south where a standard measure was "A mess" such as a mess of turnips, a mess of peas or string beans or a mess of fish. I have an old neighbor who used to stop by when he'd see my boat out when I was catfishing. One time I was filleting my last fish and I asked him if he wanted a mess and he said yes. I asked him how many he needed for a mess and he said "I have a freezer you know." I laughed and gave him the whole catch which was about 20 lbs or so. The last time I asked him he said yes and I said "I'll go up to the house and get an old ice cream bucket to something to put them in" and he reached in the back pocket of his overalls and said "I just happen to have a ziplock bag here in my pocket". I laughed as he obviously came with the plan of getting a mess of fish.
Dad said he planted a couple of acres of assorted greens (Turnips, mustard, collards, rutabegas, etc) and he generally just opened it to the public but one year he up up a sign "Greens for sale. U-Pick. $1/mess" He said one lady was picking them and bundling them in bunches like a packed 5 gallon bucket full so each "Mess" would have fed a family of 40-50. Obviously she was going to repack them when she got home. Other people were much more conservative in the size of their "messes" of greens. Dad really did not care. It was all an honor system arrangement anyway and he really did not care if they paid or not as long as somebody enjoyed them.
I had a friend whose mom was from England. His dad went over in WWII and met and married her there when she was about 16. He brought her home here to the backwoods of WV when he got out of the military. He said he came home one day and soon as she saw him she just busted out crying. When he calmed her down enough to talk she sobbed "The neighbors brought over a mess of roasting ears (Corn to the uninitiated) and I cooked them all day and those centers still haven't gotten soft enough to eat."
We got a late start today due to other obligations but we managed to saw a few fence boards out of some of the free logs from last week and the week before. We also had a friend stop by for a couple of hours while we were sawing. He has a 1991 Lt-40 that has been outside since 1991 and he still cuts with it. Last night he got the Onan running again. He is looking into getting a hydraulic mill. We had a good time sawing and visiting after sawing.
The lumber was stacked well enough to keep it from molding until the customer can arrange pickup. We had a great day for sawing, north wind and low humidity (rarity here).
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I took a break from sawing framing lumber and doing some hardwood sawing. A friend borrowed his neighbor's trailer and put a palm tree through the decking. It needed replacing anyway. So my friend gave me a hand cutting 9 inch wide RED OAK. Yes, Red Oak. He said he didn't care as long it wasn't pine. I told him it wouldn't last long, but his reply floored me. He said his neighbor probably won't be his friend for long either.
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Then I cut some 2.5 inch thick slabs. Sold 2 for a $100 each. Not bad. So I stickered live edge and cut edge. Two of the live edge have nice knots sticking out.
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hugs, Brandi
I cut some junk doug fir today, but it was my first time firing up my Norwood LM29V2 and my first time cutting boards. Now its time to learn a little.
This last weekend we made a pile of mostly 1x's from a tree my uncle planted when he was 4 years old. The lumber will get made into adirondack chairs. Kind of a neat project!!
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That almost looks like you've got more log there than sawmill!
This was a pretty cool sawing job
I send a tow truck to pick up the logs. I then saw sticker and the best part is I have their wood so it ends up in my kiln. I will stack sticker and sstrap the bundle . I air dry it in my drying sheds and then in the fall I will put this wood in the kiln. They will have a new table for Christmas. i30" Silver Birch. 3 10' logs for a customer . She wants slabs for a table, cookies, a little 6/4 lumber and we did a few ovals. It saves the portable charge of me coming to them, and I get the wood at my place and of course into my kiln.
People love it. I do at least 2-3 sawing jobs a month like this now.
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Have not posted in a while. My regular job and the sawmill have both been very busy.
Here's a few pics of recent milling jobs
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I am not a band coiler or uncoiler. ReSharp sent back 30 blades coiled up for me. Lets just say it was an adventure! :o
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If Wood-Mizer sends me coiled. 055s, I hope they also send someone to uncoil them. ::)
Ouch!! :o
I have been wondering where you were?? It's good to see you're still whack-n-stackin'. thumbs-up
Quote from: Dave Shepard on May 21, 2021, 09:19:19 PM
If Wood-Mizer sends me coiled. 055s, I hope they also send someone to uncoil them. ::)
the .o55s are "springy"!
i always send them in a flat box and they send back in a flat box.......except this time.
i'm pretty sure they will not coil my blades again.... ;D
With .055's, I drop the loop and hold the teeth against a log before uncoiling. Same when coiling, I hold the teeth against a log and then make the coiling motion. It works mighty slick.
Coiling/uncoiling is an "art". I distinctly remember my first attempt at uncoiling. I got half way done, realized that I had no idea what I was doing, and was really wishing I had gloves on....
Get a Lawnmower belt and learn the wrist movements to coil them up. There are a few videos around on doing it. A Lawnmower belt won't bite you. :}
IMG 7510 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR82hKoJzcY)
My 18 year old Grandson, Luke coiling and uncoiling, and this was his first day to try.
Had some new .055's - 1.75" come in coiled up, watched a bunch of videos, called a few guys, tried to uncoil them. Checked the local ambulance response time and decided I had a big pile of sawdust and that was the perfect landing zone for airborne, self uncoling bands.
Uncoiling bands is like being able to curl your tongue, some folks just don't have the gene to do it. :D
It's kind of like petting a rattle snake. I have learned to keep shuffling the blade until the center makes a circle and then it will flop out like it should without requiring you to get a transfusion. Throwing them into the air and listening to them go boing boing helps you realize how much energy and potential for damage is stored in a coiled band.
I never have trouble with my 55 I open and close with my hands. But I have been doing this for a long time. :)
Ditto and Ditto.
Heavy gloves and slowly control whatever is happening. No "boing" when you're holding it.
Final opening up is with both hands and the bulk of the band well away from yourself.
Last Monday my brother drove up from Pa. with a trailer loaded with short walnut logs. Very short...about three feet long. He is a woodworker with a nice shop and got these logs for free. Other than being short, the logs were very nice.
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My brother was really happy with the way the lumber came out and he now has a good supply of walnut for small projects.
Happy sawing.....Cutter
Spent my birthday milling Eastern White Pine - a most enjoyable day. There are few sawmills in the Greater Toronto Area and I don't advertise my mill, but due to the unjustifiable lumber prices and word of mouth, I am busier than ever. The cant's edges are weathered as the logs sat for several years thanks to cancer. The mill is in a 40 foot hi cube shipping container. It is not optimum but it works reasonably well. When I get through my backlog of lumber orders, I'll install the stationary legs and remove the axle — the extra space will be appreciated! Thanks for looking. Charles
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Happy Birthday York WW!
hugs, Brandi
I was considering purchasing a roller/block high-performance blade guide kit for my LT 40 with a 36 hp engine. I was wondering if anyone had some advice as whether you actually gain any performance from the upgrade, or is it something to waste money on?
Yay! Had my first customer today (first person paying me to mill for them). Milled 11 of these slabs, 2.5 inches thick. Customer even tipped me! Log was thankfully pretty short....still went through a lot of chain though!
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As my week long road trip comes to an end, I have already picked up enough jobs to come back in September. The last 3 days were a lot of work, but enjoyable as I was milling for my cousins who planted these trees when they were in high school. We made lots of 2x6 Doug fir.
Quote from: Go-fer-wood on May 23, 2021, 12:27:04 AM
I was considering purchasing a roller/block high-performance blade guide kit for my LT 40 with a 36 hp engine. I was wondering if anyone had some advice as whether you actually gain any performance from the upgrade, or is it something to waste money on?
From what I have read there is no real advantage and is no better than a properly aligned sawmill with the standard blade guides.
The "high-performance" kit will reduce the width of your throat opening.
Thanks MM great advice, I've had issues with wavy cuts in knotty yellow pine and uneven cuts @ the end of the log. I went through the sawmill routine alignment procedures per the manual this week and have also sharpened several blades from 10 degree to 7 and 4 degree but haven't had a chance to try it out yet. So I was sitting around on this wet weekend studying about ways to increase blade performance. Thanks again.
I do not know of anything worse than serious SYP knots. Well there is seasoned/dried Hickory & Black Locust but you ain't supposed to saw that anyway. I only use Turbo 7° blades.
Have you checked your drive belt tension? A slipping belt will sometimes not reveal itself until the band finds a hard spot, then the RPM'S drop and the band wanders in the cut.
Today, my Grand daughter was playing on my sawdust pile. It really shows how much I have been sawing lately, until this rain soaked last half of May hit.
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hugs, Brandi
No I haven't checked drive belt tension but I will now. Thanks
Brandi, sawdust piles are magnets.
Brandi, nice sawmill model. looks like fun. :)
Quote from: WDH on May 24, 2021, 07:05:39 AM
Brandi, sawdust piles are magnets.
Did you mean to say sawdust piles are kid magnets? Yes, they are.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: doc henderson on May 24, 2021, 08:15:12 AM
Brandi, nice sawmill model. looks like fun. :)
Yep, she is a camera ham like her Momma. The day before we had to hose her off after her flip flop got stuck in a mudhole.
hugs, Brandi
Does she walk on water too? I'd sink in to that sawdust I think.
106 mile road trip sawing ~64 X 18' Longleaf Pine logs.
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And might fine logs they are with most being 16"+ top end.
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A skidsteer e/w a grapple to move the logs to the sawmill.
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Two college kids are the tailgunners shown here knocking some loose bark from the logs.
This will be sawn for the customer's new home. Today's cut list was for 2X6's and 2X8's and after traveling and setting up I still managed 2500bf. We will hold back the larger logs to be sawn into 1X4's & 12's for the B&B siding. I will saw 1X7's for flooring, ceiling, and wall paneling.
I will saw this week and then due to some personal non-sawing commitments I will have to skip the next week and then resume sawing the following week.
Thankfully these logs have "seasoned" for a couple of months and are not as sticky/sappy but I am still having to lean on the LubeMizer. I used 5 gallons of lube today which is very unusual.
Quote from: terrifictimbersllc on May 24, 2021, 08:29:54 PM
Does she walk on water too? I'd sink in to that sawdust I think.
That pile has been tamped down by 16 straight days of rain. It would hold you up. My feet sink about 3 inches into it.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Magicman on May 24, 2021, 09:28:55 PM
106 mile road trip sawing ~64 X 18' Longleaf Pine logs.
And might fine logs they are with most being 16"+ top end.
A skidsteer e/w a grapple to move the logs to the sawmill.
Two college kids are the tailgunners shown here knocking some loose bark from the logs.
This will be sawn for the customer's new home. Today's cut list was for 2X6's and 2X8's and after traveling and setting up I still managed 2500bf. We will hold back the larger logs to be sawn into 1X4's & 12's for the B&B siding. I will saw 1X7's for flooring, ceiling, and wall paneling.
I will saw this week and then due to some personal non-sawing commitments I will have to skip the next week and then resume sawing the following week.
Thankfully these logs have "seasoned" for a couple of months and are not as sticky/sappy but I am still having to lean on the LubeMizer. I used 5 gallons of lube today which is very unusual.
Lynn,
Is a LubeMizer a worthwhile addition? I deleted it on my order and have no idea if one could help or not.
hugs, Brandi
That looks like a good job MM! I had 5 days scheduled this week starting tomorrow and when I called the first customer (2days) he said he wasn't ready and he wished I had given him a little more notice. I reminded him that we scheduled these 2 specific days 3 weeks ago 🙈. I called the people on my list who wanted to be considered for cancellations and they were all busy, so I guess I'll move some more dirt on my place tomorrow for the sawmill pad 👍🏻
Lynn,
Sounds like somebody is slacking and I can't see why you don't just knock that order out by Wednesday afternoon or Thursday morning and go back home. :D I still envy straight clear logs like that especially when it is cut into framing.
I just returned last night from the land of the sweetgums, kudzu and SYP - passed through Virginia, NC, SC, Ga, Ala and into the panhandle of Fla about 40 miles north of Pensacola. I think my wife smuggled back several chiggers. We went down for an old HS buddy's wedding which was last Saturday. He was 68 and never been married. My wife did the wedding photos. Nearly everyone we met was super nice and lots of fun to be around and great to see so many old friends. My wife did leave her camera flash somewhere on our rounds. Hopefully it will turn up. Went to see some old HS buddies and we planned next years 51 year class reunion since we missed the 50 year one due to covid.
We left yesterday and about 30 miles away she remembered she had left her cell phone so after waking the Hindu hotel owner and getting him to check and verify we had not left it in the hotel room we drove back to my mom's house and found it on her couch where we had been the night before. Cost us an hour and 50+ extra miles and we had to rush on to Charlotte (Actually Gastonia) to get there just as the Bernina sewing machine repair lady was scheduled to leave at 4:00 pm. Stopped at Sonny's BBQ in Mooresville then got home to WV about 9:30. We'd spent Wednesday night in Charlotte dropping off the 2 sewing machines and visited our daughter, SIL and grandkids. Our little 26 month old gd looks like a Shirley Temple model with such curly brown hair and a super sweet personality. We had a blast with them.
Now I need to start working on a composting toilet and catch up on some other backlog calls that came in while I was on the road.
Quote from: Bindian on May 24, 2021, 10:25:12 PM
Quote from: Magicman on May 24, 2021, 09:28:55 PM
106 mile road trip sawing ~64 X 18' Longleaf Pine logs.
And might fine logs they are with most being 16"+ top end.
A skidsteer e/w a grapple to move the logs to the sawmill.
Two college kids are the tailgunners shown here knocking some loose bark from the logs.
This will be sawn for the customer's new home. Today's cut list was for 2X6's and 2X8's and after traveling and setting up I still managed 2500bf. We will hold back the larger logs to be sawn into 1X4's & 12's for the B&B siding. I will saw 1X7's for flooring, ceiling, and wall paneling.
I will saw this week and then due to some personal non-sawing commitments I will have to skip the next week and then resume sawing the following week.
Thankfully these logs have "seasoned" for a couple of months and are not as sticky/sappy but I am still having to lean on the LubeMizer. I used 5 gallons of lube today which is very unusual.
Lynn,
Is a LubeMizer a worthwhile addition? I deleted it on my order and have no idea if one could help or not.
hugs, Brandi
Brandi:
I have the lube mizer system on my mill and I also have used an entire jug in a day (water and cotton spindle cleaner mix)sawing eastern white pine. I cant imagine not having that option.
GAB
Quote from: GAB on May 25, 2021, 11:38:25 AM
Quote from: Bindian on May 24, 2021, 10:25:12 PM
Quote from: Magicman on May 24, 2021, 09:28:55 PM
106 mile road trip sawing ~64 X 18' Longleaf Pine logs.
And might fine logs they are with most being 16"+ top end.
A skidsteer e/w a grapple to move the logs to the sawmill.
Two college kids are the tailgunners shown here knocking some loose bark from the logs.
This will be sawn for the customer's new home. Today's cut list was for 2X6's and 2X8's and after traveling and setting up I still managed 2500bf. We will hold back the larger logs to be sawn into 1X4's & 12's for the B&B siding. I will saw 1X7's for flooring, ceiling, and wall paneling.
I will saw this week and then due to some personal non-sawing commitments I will have to skip the next week and then resume sawing the following week.
Thankfully these logs have "seasoned" for a couple of months and are not as sticky/sappy but I am still having to lean on the LubeMizer. I used 5 gallons of lube today which is very unusual.
Lynn,
Is a LubeMizer a worthwhile addition? I deleted it on my order and have no idea if one could help or not.
hugs, Brandi
Brandi:
I have the lube mizer system on my mill and I also have used an entire jug in a day (water and cotton spindle cleaner mix)sawing eastern white pine. I cant imagine not having that option.
GAB
GAB,
What makes it so much better than the standard lube installation? For me, more sap equals more drip of the water and Dawn mix. Every now and then, when the blade starts making that sssssssssssssssssss sound, I open the valve and let the blade get lubed enough to stop the sssssssssssssssssss sound. Works, but is time consuming resetting the valve to drip just right. So.......why is the LubeMizer worth installing???????
hugs, Brandi
I like my LubeMizer. I have a wireless remote, so it shuts off as soon I stop the head from travelling forward. Having said that, I haven't used lube in years. It doesn't self prime if I run it out water. I think one of the check valves may not be working.
Brandi:
Please correct me if I am wrong as I do not know your system.
I think your system lubes just the top of the blade where as the Lubemizer system shoots on both sides of the blade.
The system has two settings flip the switch up and you can adjust the frequency of squirts applied.
Flip the switch to the down position and it is a continuous flow until you stop it.
If the switch is in the center then the system is off.
GAB
I got a late start this afternoon after mowing the yard because I thought it was fixing to rain, and then I started building on my first composting toilet. I cut 3 treated 2X6X8s into 2-48" and 4 - 44-3/4" pieces and nailed them together to make a 4' square base then I covered it with 1" ash, nailed on at a 45* angle so the floor is done. I checked my spruce stack and only had 2-2X4s then found 2 more poplar 2X4s so I went over and sawed one of my small 8' spruce logs I had cut for planters and made 5 - 2X4s and one 2X6 out of it. I decided the log was better suited for outhouse framing than log planters which were about to bankrupt me on the royalties associated with making them. ::) I also sawed a 6' poplar butt log and got 13 more 2X4s out of it so I am in good shape on framing for a while. I did not get any pictures as I left my camera because I had not planned on sawing. I think I have plenty of 3/4" spruce siding but have another planter log I can cut if I start to run short.
Brandi - my 35 does not have the lube mizer, and my Super 70 does so I can tell you first hand that it's worth having. Time savings is one advantage, lube expense is something, not much, but something, however having my boards come off the mill with zero sawdust, because I am not using too much lube, and keeping a clean band at the same time makes it worth having.
Quote from: Bindian on May 24, 2021, 10:25:12 PMIs a LubeMizer a worthwhile addition?
Absolutely not but I would not be without it. I bought my sawmill used and it did not have the LubeMizer and I added it. It is especially worthwhile sawing this sappy Longleaf Pine. I am continuously watching the blade and the instant I see a buildup I can increase the pulse frequency or switch it to continuous to remove the blade buildup.
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Here was my spectators for this morning.
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I have hit lotsa bullets but this one was apparently flipping because it entered the tree backwards. No it did not completely penetrate the tree. The flat tail was toward the inside of the tree and the point toward the bark. That plus it is the only jacketed/lead core bullet that has ever wrecked a blade.
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This is the butt of a ~20" log. Notice the growth rings :) and you will also notice the pitch. :-X
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Yup, the side support roller was long overdue for a polishing. That also wrecked a blade. :-X
We are making steady process but it looked like another dozen or so logs were brought in last evening after I left. We will stop sawing Thursday and I will leave the sawmill on location. We plan to resume sawing on June 7th. I did not get a tally on today's sawing but it was average.
You are making me drool over the nice vertical grain flooring in those logs MM.
Last month I got the side support twice in one day, I was on fire lol
Quote from: GAB on May 25, 2021, 07:33:33 PM
Brandi:
Please correct me if I am wrong as I do not know your system.
I think your system lubes just the top of the blade where as the Lubemizer system shoots on both sides of the blade.
The system has two settings flip the switch up and you can adjust the frequency of squirts applied.
Flip the switch to the down position and it is a continuous flow until you stop it.
If the switch is in the center then the system is off.
GAB
GAB,
Correct on mine just squirting one side. I read up after posting to you, on the Lubemizer, and think I will go ahead and get it. I can see the switch in squirt and continuous is way better AND faster.
hugs, Brandi
Lynn, I can see what Southside sees, and that is scary.
OK I got to ask, what's the difference between vertical grain and quartersawn? Is it because one is hardwood and one is softwood, are you a little more particular about the grain instead of the fleck , or is it a marketing technique ?
Quote from: trimguy on May 26, 2021, 08:52:37 AM
OK I got to ask, what's the difference between vertical grain and quartersawn? Is it because one is hardwood and one is softwood, are you a little more particular about the grain instead of the fleck , or is it a marketing technique ?
They are the same. Pine does not have the ray fleck, so you are just sawing for the vertical grain effect. It is a premium product.
Wud
Thank you for clearing that up for me.
Brandi:
If you acquire and install a lubemizer system make sure and purchase some spare 2 and 4 amp fuses.
Having a system down for lack of a 2 amp fuse is a bummer.
If I was in your position I would leave the current system as is and add a second one so that in a worst case situation I could do either the gravity flow or the lubemizer system by just changing the hose to the blade lube jug.
GAB
I would not even consider leaving the old system and I really doubt that it would be feasable anyway. I would hate to have to saw without the LubeMizer.
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My day started out very well with nothing but large straight Longleaf Pine logs.....until! Do you see it?
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A closer look!! Yup, this will ruin your morning's sawing.
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So I finished sawing the log on the sawmill and then had lunch. Yup, first time that I have ever made a ham & shrimp sammich. food6
So my customer got back with a skidsteer tire and we were up and running again.....until...
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Yup, grapple through the "new" tire.
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Not only did it let all of the "magic" air out, it also ruined the evening's sawing. :-X
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I don't think that I sawed but 3 logs today, so certainly no tally. The above is what we have stickered; 1X8's on the far left then 2X8's, 2X6's, 2¾X14 slabs, and 6X6's.
Maybe with the skidsteer back into operation we can get some sawing done tomorrow, then I will be off until June 7th. The sawmill will stay at this location.
Seems like there should be a physical stop on the grapple to prevent just that tire damage.
How was the sammich?
I agree about removing my old system. I would think some of has to be reused anyway.
hugs, Brandi
Two skid steer tires in one day. There's no patch for that!
Yikes!
Somebody said a few FF days ago: "You'll remember a bought lesson much long than a taught lesson." 😖
Switching over to forks might save somebody a lot of aggrivation, and money, plus that red face feeling, when showing up at the tire shop twice. . . . on the same day.
Quote from: Bindian on May 26, 2021, 06:05:48 PMSeems like there should be a physical stop on the grapple to prevent just that tire damage. How was the sammich?
I would agree about a stop but who knows what adaptations might have been done with/to the attachments to connect that grapple to that skidsteer.
The sammich was most excellent. Guess that I shoulda taken a picture of my evening meal. Blackened rainbow trout with a "New Orleans" something with shrimp on top. Also most excellent.
Yes Southside and WDH, those logs are also "most excellent".
Two new jobs came in today and them wanting to know how quickly I could get there and I have no idea how I am gonna do those that are already on the book. When I finish a job I call the oldest which is how it works.
Magicman:
In reply to your following statement:
"I would not even consider leaving the old system and I really doubt that it would be feasable anyway."
Those of us living in the glaciated north (@WDH term I believe) sometimes only need to saw one or two logs and not
wanting to have to rewinterize the lube pump just use the gravity system. I added it to my mill strictly for that reason.
Not winterizing the lube system I believe is why I'm on the third pump.
GAB
Thankfully I do not live in the Glaciated North but I still use a freeze proof lube mix in the Winter, which would not freeze anyway, and also purge my LubeMizer with RV antifreeze when I stop for the day.
I am surprised that you choose to not use a freeze proof lube mix in the Winter. :o
I cut every tree that grows in NH. And cut dry. from time to time I turn on the water for 1 or 2 cuts then off comes stuff on the blade. 5 gal every 8 weeks or so. What a lot of sawers do is cut too slow and dulls and gums up the blade.
And I have recut longleaf Pine dry too.
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But I will say it can be painful sometimes :D
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:D ;)
This blade hit iron so I left the pitch on.
99% dry cutting.
Big bummer on skid steer tires. Though it seems if it caught one side it would catch the other side. Maybe cut off the offending grapple tooth or grind it from canine to molar.
By the way, initially I thought it was pine grubs with ham. steve_smiley
Quote from: GAB on May 26, 2021, 08:12:14 PM
Magicman:
In reply to your following statement:
"I would not even consider leaving the old system and I really doubt that it would be feasable anyway."
Those of us living in the glaciated north (@WDH term I believe) sometimes only need to saw one or two logs and not
wanting to have to rewinterize the lube pump just use the gravity system. I added it to my mill strictly for that reason.
Not winterizing the lube system I believe is why I'm on the third pump.
GAB
What...........does..............winterize...............mean? ??? Ya gotta remember, I leave my water hoses out all year. ;D
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Bindian on May 27, 2021, 01:46:45 AMWhat...........does..............winterize...............mean?
Folks living in the seriously cold climates have to prepare their vehicles / equipment / houses for winter. Things we take for granted freeze up, like diesel fuel, water pipes, brass monkeys etc.
I had a side wall blow out on big Bob this week. I have a spare set of wheels and tires. The tires are weather cracked. It will get me by for the moment.
I ask that my bands not get flat packed. I don't care for the flat packs.
Many trailer loads of sawn wood have left the mill all ready this week.
@bindian, this is what winterized looks like.
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But it's not so bad, 'cause it's a dry cold, y'know? 😆
that's funny, cause they have dry heat in Texas, as it is not the heat, but the humidity! :D :D :D
Quote from: Magicman on May 26, 2021, 05:09:27 PM
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So I finished sawing the log on the sawmill and then had lunch. Yup, first time that I have ever made a ham & shrimp sammich. food6
When I first saw this I thought it was pine grubs. About lost my breakfast.
Alan
Quote from: alan gage on May 27, 2021, 09:17:12 AM
Quote from: Magicman on May 26, 2021, 05:09:27 PM
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So I finished sawing the log on the sawmill and then had lunch. Yup, first time that I have ever made a ham & shrimp sammich. food6
When I first saw this I thought it was pine grubs. About lost my breakfast.
Alan
Grubs from a pine tree or grubs from the sea, six of one or half dozen of the other. (Old saying)
Quote from: Andries on May 27, 2021, 08:27:38 AM
@bindian, this is what winterized looks like.
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But it's not so bad, 'cause it's a dry cold, y'know? 😆
Andries:
Good one.
Now can you come up with a picture of someone with icicles attached to the mustache, beard, eyelashes, and fogged up eye protectors, with exhaling steam.
Gerald
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No sweat GAB.
You ain't havin' fun until you've got a pound of ice in your beard. ;D
My lube tank goes inside with me every night in winter, rarely use WW fluid. I run hot water with a shot of Pine Sol, scrape the sawdust off before it freezes. One of my dream sawmill mods is make a built in hot water heater for the mill. ;D
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. . . and if Stihl offers heated handles on a chainsaw, why not on a sawmill? 😆
I bought a coil of cooper tubing and planned to wrap the exhaust on my log splitter. could have a water tank, and get instant hot/warm water for washing or hot chocolate. It was though I might be out in the wilderness for days splitting wood. It mostly stays at home in the same spot, so i can get hot stuff 100 feet away. I take it to camp Alaska each Feb. but now that copper is worth more than the log splitter. :D :D would have a fun novelty to make instant hot water from the log splitter. might do it someday for fun.
Andries:
Thanks for posting the pictures.
Gerald
Quote from: Ianab on May 27, 2021, 02:59:00 AMThings we take for granted freeze up, like diesel fuel, water pipes, brass monkeys etc.
That's gotta mean something different there than it did to a kid growing up listening to the Beastie Boys in the '80s. :D
On a ship in the colonial times the canon balls were stored on deck on a brass plate. The plate was called a "Brass monkey". When the weather got cold the brass would shrink and the cannon balls would fall of the monkey.
So, the saying is that it was cold enough to freeze the balls of a brass monkey.
Jim Rogers
Quote from: Southside on May 27, 2021, 01:44:48 PM
Quote from: Ianab on May 27, 2021, 02:59:00 AMThings we take for granted freeze up, like diesel fuel, water pipes, brass monkeys etc.
That's gotta mean something different there than it did to a kid growing up listening to the Beastie Boys in the '80s. :D
You just gave me a flashback with that one! 🤣
Quote from: Andries on May 27, 2021, 10:21:56 AM
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No sweat GAB.
What, no snot dripping?
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I do not mind eating Pine Grubs but I prefer them as appetizers.
Brandi, Most if not all of us use Winter windshield washer fluid in the lube tank. If it is 0° formula I generally mix it 50-50 with water. I can sometime find -20° so I only put a gallon in. RV antifreeze is -100° and I sometime use it to purge my pump when I shut down. It's certainly an overkill, but I have never had a pump freeze either. We seldom see the teens and very rarely single digits so any of the above WW fluids will work for purging, just use your best judgment. Of course your "freeze line" is probably about what mine is.
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It surely was nice working today with a skidsteer that had no flat tire.
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Some of the vertical wood grain that Southside and WDH were drooling over.
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1X12's with the other lumber in the background.
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1X8's with the 1X12's in the background.
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All of the lumber with the 1X12's in the far background. I only sawed 3 logs yesterday and we quit at 3:00 this afternoon so putting it together I actually sawed 3 days. I started with 64 logs and have 31 left. Total yield so far is 7102 bf. I left the sawmill and will return to this job on June 7th.
I'm embarrassed to post after seeing MMs logs and stack of lumber but since I am not on some survival show I ain't eating no grubs! Like I always said about a possum "Times ain't got that hard yet."
I piddled with my composting toilet and made 2 rough looking but serviceable windows. The plexiglass is thin enough I can just cut a groove with the finger eating table saw and it slips right in. I had to stop and sold a little maple to a guy who found my ad on craigslist. The firsts tack looked pretty rough but he would have been okay then I remembered a second stack and got him what he needed out of it. I'll start using the other stuff for making outhouse floors or box seats or such to use it up.
I had a neighbor called and wanted 2- 2.5"X6"X 16' bridge timbers. I told him all I had was poplar and it was not good for ground contact but he said cut them as they'd likely outlast him and his brother. I had a 16' spruce left from my planter project and bucked it to 6' and 10' and cut it into 2X4's. I got in a hurry and rippled over a couple of knots typical of spruce. Not something I would ever sell but I can use it for my projects.
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Spruce on/at the loading arms and 16' poplar to the right
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No pictures of my ugly embarrassing spruce but this is the 16' poplar. Mostly 1X8s that I will buck to 8' or 10' & 8' and stack tomorrow plus the 10/4 bridge timbers.
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Still on the mill a 10/4 X 6" timber with a ragged end (I had some shake in the butt log) and about 12' of 10/4X4" that ran out. It has so much tension in it I can't resaw down to 8/4 so I'll use if for project wood around the house for something. I'll deliver the 2-10/4 to my neighbor about 1/4 mile down the road tomorrow. About 307 bf out of everything I sawed this afternoon.
I've been milling up a few smaller chestnut oaks into 2"x8"x20' for trailer decking. Still have a few to go, but here's a video of me cutting the first two if anyone is interested.
https://youtu.be/1Tz3zFr633o (https://youtu.be/1Tz3zFr633o)
Quote from: Andries on May 27, 2021, 08:27:38 AM
@bindian, this is what winterized looks like.
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But it's not so bad, 'cause it's a dry cold, y'know? 😆
Whoa..........I never saw it cold enough to wear a dust mask. ::) Dry cold is easy. It is the humidity in the 90s here that take people out.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: doc henderson on May 27, 2021, 09:08:32 AM
that's funny, cause they have dry heat in Texas, as it is not the heat, but the humidity! :D :D :D
Doc,
No dry heat here. Only in West Texas, the Panhandle, and Dallas. We got we humid heat here AND humid cold. Typical Jan. weather is raining and 40 degrees.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Magicman on May 27, 2021, 09:39:14 PM
Brandi, Most if not all of us use Winter windshield washer fluid in the lube tank. If it is 0° formula I generally mix it 50-50 with water. I can sometime find -20° so I only put a gallon in. RV antifreeze is -100° and I sometime use it to purge my pump when I shut down. It's certainly an overkill, but I have never had a pump freeze either. We seldom see the teens and very rarely single digits so any of the above WW fluids will work for purging, just use your best judgment. Of course your "freeze line" is probably about what mine is.
Lynn,
Where can I buy Winter windshield washer fluid? ??? I have never seen Winter windshield washer fluid. ::) We just have windshield washer fluid here. :D Can you just disconnect from the tank and run the LubeMizer until it stops squirting? :snowball:
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: GAB on May 27, 2021, 09:43:14 AM
Quote from: Andries on May 27, 2021, 08:27:38 AM
@bindian, this is what winterized looks like.
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But it's not so bad, 'cause it's a dry cold, y'know? 😆
Andries:
Good one.
Now can you come up with a picture of someone with icicles attached to the mustache, beard, eyelashes, and fogged up eye protectors, with exhaling steam.
Gerald
We call 'em "Snoticles".....
This would be a 'wet cold'.
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The winter humidity really takes it out of ya. Noting at all like the cold you get up at altitude in places like NM or CO where it can get a lot colder but not feel as bad.
OTOH I have been in east TX in July with the temp at 96° and the humidity at 99% (no rain) and you can swipe your hand through the air and it comes up wet. I'll take the dry over the wet anytime, heat or cold.
Quote from: Mountainmindset on May 27, 2021, 10:46:28 PM
I've been milling up a few smaller chestnut oaks into 2"x8"x20' for trailer decking. Still have a few to go, but here's a video of me cutting the first two if anyone is interested.
https://youtu.be/1Tz3zFr633o (https://youtu.be/1Tz3zFr633o)
You'll fit right on in, welcome to the forum.
The CO was green, are you worried about it shrinking on the deck? What says the forum? I'm a bit concerned with selling trailer decking because I think people would install green and it might shrink in ways that caused issues. Here it is all on mountainmindset so that's cool but for the general public ?
Brandi, yup here it's mostly +32° stuff. During the Winter WalMart might have 0° and sometime -20°. Our RV isle almost always has the -100° RV stuff but it is kinda pricey but for purging you don't use much. I run it dry and then run it until it squirts.
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I installed a quick connect on the hose at the lube tank and then have a short section of hose that I connect that reaches the bottom of the jug.
I visitid a high school friend. her dad got moved to Dallas. It was 106. If you walked on a black top driveway, your feet felt sticky and your tenni-runners left a little bit of rubber with the print of your shoe left on the ground. twas hot. the worst is Florida, you cannot run from an airconditioned building to your car with the AC running without soaking your shirt.
Come on Doc don't you like that high humidity in gator country 😂
Doc don't know nuttin' yet:
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Quote from: Southside on May 27, 2021, 01:44:48 PM
Quote from: Ianab on May 27, 2021, 02:59:00 AMThings we take for granted freeze up, like diesel fuel, water pipes, brass monkeys etc.
That's gotta mean something different there than it did to a kid growing up listening to the Beastie Boys in the '80s. :D
My daughter FaceTimed my wife last night. She was dancing on her deck with friends listening to the Gap Band and "You Dropped A Bomb on Me." Brought back memories. I'm fairly certain a fermented fruit product was involved as well.
Wud
Quote from: nativewolf on May 28, 2021, 07:16:51 AM
Quote from: Mountainmindset on May 27, 2021, 10:46:28 PM
I've been milling up a few smaller chestnut oaks into 2"x8"x20' for trailer decking. Still have a few to go, but here's a video of me cutting the first two if anyone is interested.
https://youtu.be/1Tz3zFr633o (https://youtu.be/1Tz3zFr633o)
You'll fit right on in, welcome to the forum.
The CO was green, are you worried about it shrinking on the deck? What says the forum? I'm a bit concerned with selling trailer decking because I think people would install green and it might shrink in ways that caused issues. Here it is all on mountainmindset so that's cool but for the general public ?
Thanks! I just put some screws from the bottom to hopefully keep them from warping too bad. I'm not using the trailer right now, just working on it so hopefully it dries enough in the meantime. I'll do the same with the rest after I saw it. Once it's all pretty dry, I'll bolt it down. I'm not too worried about a few cracks between the boards. Hopefully they won't be too bad. I don't plan on selling any trailer decking after handing those 2x8's. Lol!
Tractor Supply has RV Antifreeze as well, usually in the $3.00 ish per gallon range.
Quote from: doc henderson on May 28, 2021, 08:20:54 AM
the worst is Florida, you cannot run from an airconditioned building to your car with the AC running without soaking your shirt.
You are describing Southeast Texas in July, August and Sept. Especially at night. I would go through 3 changes of work clothes, each night, in the hangar.
hugs, Brandi
I drove 29 miles and set up to saw 21' cabin logs for a customer.
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I found these 3 stacks of logs staged on the opposite side of the road from the last time I visited and sawed there. They were downhill from the road to the barn. I managed to get my mill in and set up in the field below them. The lady honchoing the project asked why I decided to set up there instead of on the road. I told her because there was no way 2 helpers with cant hooks were going to be able to roll a bunch of 21' logs uphill.
My "Big, burly, mentally challenged helpers I had specified as required to handle the side lumber and load the logs turned out to be an 80 y/o neighbor and a skinny, 60+ y/o retired USAF retiree. To their credit they did well but we had to adjust and have the lady customer driving the tractor remove the flitches and slabs. The helpers would slide them off and she'd transport them to the staging area. I'd lift the toeboards and she'd slide the forks under. On the second side the flitches would be on top and the helpers would slide them off on the way. Meanwhile I would be sawing the next log they had loaded on the mills lifting arms. Waiting on the tractor slowed the process down some but was a good compromise. With 6.4 engine hours on the mill in about 7 hours we completed 24 logs. Several were squared to 6X10's while the rest were live edge 6" thick. We completed the upper stack. Many of the logs were crooked and a real challenge to produce a workable cabin log. One was so bad I rejected it out of hand. It was in the way and we had to load then lift off the back side of the mill.
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At the end of the day I moved the mill to the next stack, covered it for the evening and the big tractor is in the shade.
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Ready to start the next stack tomorrow.
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Slabs and flitches in the weeds next to a shed. We will process them tomorrow or the next day. We agreed on 7/8" sheeting and 1-7/8" from framing. The lady asked me at the end of the day if we had enough framing. I told her no way for me to answer that as I did not know what they had planned. Her hubby came out during sawing and asked why we were sawing the sizes and about the framing. I told him "Because that is what your wife said to cut." End of discussion. To her credit she is a young wife with 4 kids under about 8 years old and you have to love a lady who comes out wearing Carhart overalls and coat and driving the tractor.
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LE 6" cabin logs. The upper stack is edged 6X10s. I think we have about 50 more to do. A conservative estimate for today's sawing is 1058 bf based on my average sawing rate. I'm billing by the hour due to the tedious nature and extra handling. She is still going to come out okay and it is fair to me.
I called on the way home and did a site visit for a repeat customer for Saturday assuming this job is done and weather permits. He has about 8-10 WO/RO logs about 7-8 ft long and from about 15-24 inches in diameter. Looks like an easy one day job 10-12 miles from home.
Outstanding!!! 8)
I removed the rear bumper to gain a couple extra inches there and one thing I learned is doing that allowed the plastic scraper on the back of the lubricated pad that greases the rail to fall out. I'll put it back after I finish this job. Just something you all need to keep in mind if you ever remove that rear bumper on a WM mill.
tree trimmer brought me some firewood and I got 2 6x8 and 1 8x8 10 feet long oak. rest is firewood
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I continued my log cabin log sawing today. I had the son of one of yesterday's helpers and he was top notch! Probably in his mid to late 40s and worked circles around the 3 -19 y/o Mormon Missionaries who also came to help. They were were not bad but lacked the experience and initiative to jump right in without being told what to do. The 3 of them stayed till shortly after lunch then left. The lady customer continued to drive the tractor and served as the project manager. About 4:00 pm she disappeared and came back out with a compress on her R eye. She had gotten something in it yesterday and it flared up so she left my helper to watch the 4 kids while she went to the doctor until her husband returned from the "cowpracter" or "accupokerist". When he got back he told us his wife and called and they found she had a small splinter inside her eyelid, removed the splinter and gave her some numbing drops and said she should be fine tomorrow. The logs above are what are left from yesterday's stack plus several others the lady added while I was sawing. 8 left in the stack, one small log on the mill and another on the arms. I think our total count for the day with 7.3 hours on the engine and a complete tank (5.8 gallons) of gas used were 32 more logs. Total complete 59. Remaining either 22 or 23 depending on what else she finds. :D
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Flitches and slabs from today in front. Much neat than yesterday. The husband was moving the cabin logs to the stack so I did not get a picture of them.
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I cleaned, lubed and covered the mill and packed up. On the way out this lady was in the customer's drive. I should have shut of the truck to take the picture for a better focus I guess. Before I left the house I had watched a young buck in velvet in my pasture by my yard fence about 35 yards away. I see lots in the hay fields and pastures on my trip to the client and back. One turkey was loving the fresh cut hay field for bug hunting.
I have an early start tomorrow, same good helper and his dad so I hope we finish and I can come back and finish my composting toilet before the weekend.
^^^Hey WV, is 6x10 a common size cut for log cabin logs?
They were for sill plates or such. The logs themselves are live edge and 6" thick. She had me cut a few 8X8 and several of the 6X10. Very few of her logs will make a 6X10. Lots of curve and sweep and a real challenge at times. Mostly I lay the log on the mill and let it come to rest naturally and then saw off the top and bottom leaving 6" out of the middle. Looks to me like an awful lot of chinking will be needed but that is what the customer ordered and their logs. I' trying to keep the hearts/pith centered but that is also hard to do because it wanders so much in some of these logs. I just get as close as I can and sometimes I have to cut long wedges to try to level out the hearts and such.
I met my helpers and customer at 7:00 this morning. My good helper from yesterday was back and his dad from the first day. Both are good. The 80 y/o dad would work circles around the 19 y/o missionaries we had yesterday morning. They were good young men just inexperienced
We finished the 10 logs in the first stack then moved down the hill to the next stack and sawed another 20 or so. It was hard to keep up as the customer kept bringing more. By the end of the day she was pretty stressed when one log she wanted for 8X8 was not big enough (Hard to get a good square 8X8 out of a 10" diameter top with sweep in it). Then I left the roller up on one and cut 5-1/4" on one end and 6 on the other. She brought me a 14"-15" poplar with a lot of sweep and wanted an 8X8 and I had to flip it repeatedly to get square surfaces. She wanted to know why i was sawing it different and I told her because it was to be square and the others were live edge. Finally I suggested she get a chalk line and chalk out how she wanted to get an 8" square out of it. She backed off then. It came out perfect but was real stressful to get it.
About noon we were breaking for lunch and my helpers walked to the woodline to cut a big dead red oak. The wood is green as it still had dead leaves on it. It was 36" diameter at the stump with a good bit of flare. We finally cut it into 2- 10' logs for flooring but only after I explained to her why I could not cut a cabin log that big as I was going to have to whittle it down to fit my mill. I haven't checked the calculator here but I suspect a 21' red oak that big would max out my mill and likely their tractor.
BooBoos for the day included rolling a log across it with the side supports down and leaving the toeboard up. We later moved about an 18" poplar over the mill because she did not know what she wanted to make out of it. She backed the tractor up and it rolled off too. My alternator belt broke but I had a spare and got that fixed is pretty short order although I am not sure the customer recognized the prior planning involved to have a spare belt and tools to fix it as quickly as we did.
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RO logs on and at the mill at days end. Butt log on the ground is over 36" and at least one nail 5' high. I hope it is not full of fence wire as it was right on the woodline to a big hay field. The customer suggested a 10X10 mantel and a 10X12 lintel. I asked her if she can get her tractor inside her house and asked her how they were going to mount it. She was going to think on it overnight and tell me her decision in the morning. I expect to finish tomorrow, weather permitting. The customer suggested I come edge the flitches on another trip. I told them no problem but be sure to stack and sticker them and showed how to cut off the run-out and useless parts and to stack in straight stacks. I guess I should ask them about stickers as I know they don't have them.
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Broken alternator belt. I also broke a wire on a ring connector to the debarker up in the box but found and fixed it at the end the day. 6.5 hours on the mill today.
Really enjoying the recap of this particular customer @WV Sawmiller (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=28064)
This style can have some pretty wide chinking to deal with crooked logs.
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Where is that?
Holy crap,,,what a beauty !!
Montebello VA. Typical of the style throughout the the southern Appalachian mts. VA, WV, OH, etc.
More pics of this cabin (https://theoldhouselife.com/2019/09/04/mountain-cabin-on-five-acres-in-virginia-circa-1800s-272000/) including interior.
WV Sawmiller was getting asked about the logs he's sawing right now so I thought this would help. Not everybody has seen log cabins done this way unless you're from this area - or you watch Barnwood Builders (who buy, dismantle, and rebuild a lot of these).
More of this style (https://www.google.com/search?q=va+historic+log+cabin&rlz=1C9BKJA_enUS861US862&oq=va&aqs=chrome.0.69i59l2j69i57j69i61j69i65l2.2645j0j7&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=lmVd3oL_I7Zr8M)
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I returned to the site today and first we sawed the two red oak logs into this stack of 4/4 boards. Most of the boards in this stack are 18" wide. They were beautiful boards. The stack is about 5' tall (I guess you could enlarge and count them if it is that important) and they are 10' long. It took some serious "gun-barreling" to get that big log on the ground to fit between the roller guides. It was too heavy to turn with the claw and what I had to do each time I shifted it a few inches was raise the front toe board, then lower and back up, lower the toeboard, then raise the clamp to lift it. I'd saw a small corner off and eventually was able to get long enough slices to get flitches for future edging. The log/cant was so heavy it put so much pressure on the clamp I could not lower it without using the toeboard.
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After sawing the RO I sawed several more cabin logs and a big poplar for a 6"X 10" sill plate. Then I sawed some really ugly small tops into stickers and just when we thought we were done the customer decided she needed some 2X4s and 2X6's. She got 6-7 2X6s 10' long from edgings of the sill plate then we took 6-8 pine 2X flitches, cut then in half and edged them in 4" drops to get her these 2X4s. A few still have some bark but are fine for dunnage and may add the character inside if she wants to use them.
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Here are several stacks of the finished cabin logs. I think the final count was over 80. It was a moving target as every time I thought I had sawed the last one, another one would come out of the weeds. The customer has a workshop on the 14th to start building with them.
It was a stressful undertaking and my mill and I both took a beating. I need to put the bumpers back on each end of my mill, replace one and buy another plastic rail sweeper - with the bumper off they slide off the end as there is nothing on the round rail to stop them. We rubbed some paint on the hydraulics box from the long logs scrubbing it before we lifted and shifted them forward with the toeboard. My Magic Hook got a workout loading and shifting logs a few inches fore and aft to fit between the marks. I need to tighten the connection and scrub the power bar to my hydraulics as I have several burned spots and hard to find a live spot. Any advise on a good way to do this will be greatly appreciated. I have a green scrubby pad. Would fine sandpaper work better?
We determined we were knocking out about 4 logs/per hour on average. Most are 20'10" long. Some are as short as 4-5 ft. She said she has people coming from as far away as Hawaii and California - wow!
It is hard to believe the look of these stacked logs remembering the long, ugly double sweepy logs we started with to get them. It was a very educational experience. I now know several more warnings to pass along to any future customer including a time line and such to use for scheduling and pricing. I will think long and hard before I agree to saw any log order over 20'. A one off 21' is okay but a big order of that many ...?
We finished about noon, I packed up, took the pix above and headed home. I stopped at an Amish bakery for a couple of fried Blackberry pies and found smoke coming from my driver side mill axle. I think it was my electric brakes as I disconnected and no more issues. I have to keep watching that. There was a young Amish man in the bakery who was very interesting in the mill and used to own one and we had a nice conversation about the mill and sawing in general.
The customer still has all the flitches, including the RO to be edged at some future time/trip. I advised how to stack and sticker but worry they may wait too long. I warned them vigorously but it is their wood. I saw a stack of logs 1/4 mile away at a community center and stapled a business card to them and have been playing phone call with the owner on them this afternoon. They are spruce. We will see if that pays off. I wish he'd called before I drove home. I might have knocked them out today on the way home.
I got home safely, washed the mill good and just got a call from a customer bringing a maple and 2 walnut logs here at noon tomorrow. Saturday is scheduled for 8-10 large short RO/WO log. The customer has an old log barn beside the logs that looks like the same "peaked roof" log notching that @btulloh (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=29962) shows in his picture above.
I decided to open up a couple of sweet gum logs that have been laying in a pile for about 8 months. They were designated to become a bonfire at some point, but after seeing some pictures posted by @Southside (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=24297) I couldn't help but want to saw some.
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After seeing this, I've decided to saw them. I don't know what I'm going to do with it, but I've got about 40 logs. I guess I'll sticker and stack it under my pole shed with some weight on it and see what happens when it dries.
JohnM is on vacation this week so I'm not tackling the big pecan that a repeat customer dropped off today until he gets back. Our customer texted me and he will be bringing some hickory by later today. I asked him if he was going to bring the whole smiley_devil family.
I sawed a wonky Paroda and a small sinker cypress log yesterday evening. Sometimes it would be easier to get butter from a duck than to get nice slabs out of some of the logs this customer brings.
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WVsawmiller, Good job on the last saw job. You and your LT-35 have been cranking out the wood.
Nice Sinker Cypress. :)
Duck Butter is but a click away....
Duck Butter (https://www.supplyhouse.com/Hercules-40-501-Duck-Butter-Lubricant-2-lb-14568000-p?utm_source=bingad&utm_medium=shopping&msclkid=8a82f66272ef1386012696d806e3d874)
I got a follow-up call from a young man yesterday to bring me 3 logs to saw about midday. He was a referral from a previous customer - the best jobs we can hope for. I put the bumpers and plastic scraper back on, checked and cleaned and sanded the power bar for the hydraulics with 400 grit sandpaper and seem to have fixed/removed the hot spots from arching in the past. I checked the blade tilt and distance to the bed and I was surprised so little needed to be done - 1/8" adjustment on the floating rails was all that was needed which amazed me after the beating the mill took with the cabin logs project. My customer showed promptly on schedule. He had a maple and two walnut logs with crotch wood to contend with. I dragged and lifted them off his equipment trailer with John and carried or pushed them on to the loading arms as needed. He just wanted everything cut into live edge boards and slabs. I cut a few 4/4 boards out of the maple then a few 6/4 but the slabs were 9/4.
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I forgot a before picture but here is the after shot of the maple. About 7-8 ft long.
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Here is the butt log of the walnut. I had to trim a little off the limb stubs to fit between the guide rollers but the customer was very easy to work with. I was just able to fit it with both live sides between the guide rollers.
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Since we were next to my washpoint I went ahead and sprayed the log to show him what to expect when he applies his finish to it. After this shot I flipped it 180 degrees, put a new blade on, made a couple of cuts and, of course, being walnut and a yard tree and a new blade... Yep! I hit 2 nails, the blade took a dive and we had a time digging it out. I flipped it back and sawed a couple more slabs then stood the 4-6 inch cant on its side and I sawed boards and 3" stock for table legs. We could see the nails and I sawed between them.
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Here is the second, upper log. You can just see the top of a limb stub at the very top. I cut a couple of limb stubs to fit between the guides then stood the log with the limb up. It was a little over 3' to the top so I cut cookies/ovals till we got to the trunk of the tree. By that time some ovals were 5' long. I got full length and made 6/4 boards the rest of the way, flipped it and sawed to the rails. It really turned out pretty!
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Boards, slabs and 3Xs loaded for the trip home. The longer cookies/ovals and 6/4 board from the 2nd log are on the right in the picture (Don't they look nice?) with the shorter cookies are in the back of the truck. In spite of the nail (Which was not unexpected and the customer was warned before we ever started and was very cool about it) it was a real fun job, I made a new friend and instead of asking for a discount like my last job he was very happy and paid with a nice tip.
I'm loaded back up for tomorrow's 10-12 mile trip up a curvy road to saw some big but short RO/WO logs for a several times repeat customer. I am glad the stress level has dropped as the week goes on.
I ordered my LubeMizer today. 2-3 week wait now.
hugs, Brandi
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A guy brought in this walnut a while back and told me to slab it 11/4 live edge. I trimmed each end to 32" to fit between the guides. The center was maybe 25". Log was 15 foot long. When he picked it up yesterday he dropped off a big white oak and told me to cut the biggest beam I could with no bark. I did that this morning and told him to come and get it. He was still trying to figure out how to get the walnut slabs off his trailer.......
There are times such as sawing hardwood such as Oak when no lube is necessary but then when I encounter some Pine logs, I am constantly adjusting even between logs to keep the blade clear of pitch.
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With the Longleaf Pine that I am now sawing it's easy to see why the blade needs an extra dose of lube and occasionally even a continuous flow to keep the blade pitch free. During these instances the LubeMizer is much more than just an "option", even though it is an expensive option.
Started with a dead battery and corroded negative cable in my truck so $200 and 2 hours later I got to the customer site 12 miles away. Oh well, it was the original battery and was 12 y/o.
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We sawed beside this old log barn for those interested in local old style timberframe and joinery techniques.
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Total yield after 6.4 engine hours 1376 bf of 4/4, 6/4 & 8/4 with 4- 4X4X8 posts out of 4 punky old poplar logs I consider scope creep as they were not in the original stack of RO/WO logs.
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Bulk of the logs - all 8' long
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First and hardest log due to limb stubs, punky sapwood and a 2 wire fence. We still got what the customer wanted/needed out of it.
Today I took the sawmill to see a windmill. ;D
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After a nice break from sawing during most of April and May my weekends for the month of June are booked solid. Today I took the TimberKing for a 120 mile (one way) trip to Elkhorn Iowa to saw ten or eleven logs into live edged boards, slabs, and a few 4" thick fire place mantles.
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The customer had a real nice little tractor with FEL and forks for placing logs onto the loading arms or the deck of the mill. He did a real nice job operation that little tractor too.
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There was plenty of help with family and friends all joining in to carry boards, brush away the sawdust, and stack lumber. I used 2 TimberKing UltraMax blades and we were done in 3 1/2 hrs. I was back on the road home before 11:30 am.
Next weekend I'll travel 81 miles to Emerson Iowa for a full Saturday of sawing roughly 20 walnut logs. Then 15 miles to Alvo Nebraska to saw for a half day Sunday on some Elm and Oak logs.
Here's a few more pics at the Dutch Windmill Museum in the town of Elkhorn Ia.
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Love the skyline behind the tractor. Sure miss that.
Cut 960 bf of pine 1x6x12s this morning. Working by myself it took about 5 hours.
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No stickers as the customer is using them right away.
Dpatton,
I did not know the Danes used a lot of windmills but my understanding was the Dutch used them largely to pump water from one side of the dike to the other. Then the next neighbor would do the same thing till eventually the last landlord pumped it back into the sea. With their low country it was always seeping back into the country but they kept pumping to keep the level down to a manageable level.
I didn't realize there were mills in Denmark either, neat.
My wife's parents came from Dordrecht in Holland, the line of windmills often pictured are along Kinderdijk, "children dike", where legend has it a cat saved a sleeping child in its cradle afloat during a flood by balancing the cradle and keeping it afloat, the cat and the cradle story. Some pics of the molens, mills, are here;
Kinderdijk - Dutch Mill Beauty - Public Transport Holland Shop (public-transport-holland.com) (https://www.public-transport-holland.com/2019/02/18/kinderdijk-molin-beauty/)
During the war, her Dad knew the tidal shallows well, others did not :)
The Dutch tale reminded me of things I like in the names of people and things from other countries. I worked in Norway in 2007-2008 and our project was engineered out of Haarlem in the Netherlands. We had a number of Dutch co-workers. I remember one was named Marcel Kraaier. His ancestors used to be the town cryer who went around yelling out proclamations and such to the village. Like so many of our names like Smith whose ancestors used to be a coppersmith or tinsmith or such. Or Cooper whose ancestors made barrels.
I did not learn many Norwegian words but I did learn the Hospital was the Sykhus (Sick house). The local government office was normally the Radhus (Red house). No Parking signs read "No Parkering" or "Parkering forbudt"
This was a walnut log left in the woods by a logger. When i looked at it laying in the woods i could tell why the loggers had left it laying. I had a small split down one side, it was all closed up but you could tell it was NOT a high quality log. I was hoping there was a few good 5/4 boards left in it. However after the first cut i found the big hollow spot inside the log. I could tell right away i was going to get ZERO high quality 5/4 inch boards out of it. I decided to try my luck at some 8/4 live edge slabs, it was the only way i could think of to get any value out of this log. Got pretty lucky because my first cut opened up the hollow spot.
IF these hold together after they are kiln dried i will be happy !
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Some people buy those hollow slabs and fill the void with clear epoxy and then put lights underneath that shine up through the void. Some use colored light that cycle through different colors.
Others will fill the void with one color, like blue, and make them a table.
You'll sell it if you find the right customer.
Jim Rogers
Last week I finished a job for a customer. He is building a house about a mile up the road. A number of trees were cut a year ago to make room for the house and drive. Most logs were small to medium in diameter and 8-10 feet long. He would drive his tractor to my place with 2 or 3 logs on the forks and drive back with lumber and slabs. He brought pine, red oak, red maple, cherry and aspen. What was going to be 15-20 logs turned out to be 35!
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All went well until the next to last log which was a monster cherry.
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I had to do some serious chainsaw work to make it fit on the mill. The customer wanted two 8/4 live edge slabs and as much 8/4 boards as I could get. I could see a nail sticking up so I cut it out with the chainsaw, but I hit a second concealed nail with the chain. No big deal.
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To make a long story short, seven more nails and two brass (house?) numbers and two ruined blades. Also a large rotten cavity.
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I did get him two live edge slabs and some 8/4 boards but not much of it. However he was happy and paid for my blades.
Happy sawing.....Cutter
Nothing very remarkable, just thirty-two pine boards 1 x 4 x 6 ft.
It is for a drama project and was requested by a university student completing her last assignment before graduating in Fine Arts. And like most students at the end of four years of school, she had little money and little time. With Ontario locked down and the lumber yards closed apart from curbside service, she couldn't find what she needed let alone find wood within her budget, which was $60.
Hence, I had a request to provide about 60 board feet of pine for $1 per board foot. In this era of crazy wood prices, that is what I pay for a pine log delivered to my mill. My choice was to lose money or say 'No'.
I've been an impoverished student and also been a university prof, from whence I saw lots of great young people work diligently in a struggle to get across the finish line well. So I said 'Yes' then spent the afternoon in the pouring rain to get her boards ready.
I told her that, somewhere down the road, if she is in a theatrical production in my area, to send me a ticket.
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I've been wanting to find a box elder to cut down for milling. Well, today my wife told me there was a tree growing by her air conditioner at her office building and needed to be cut down. Low and behold it was a box elder. Should make some pretty nice lumber, if a little small. It was 1" DBH.
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I returned to my 106 mile away road trip today after a week off. Things were going quite nicely until......
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Had I not had two fire extinguishers in my truck the skidsteer would have certainly gone up in smoke.
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The tail pipe broke out of the muffler and fell across the emergency battery jump cable burning a hole in it as well as setting the debris inside of the engine compartment on fire.
One thing led to another and very soon the entire engine was blazing.
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I left the customer and the skidsteer owner with their hands full of opportunities. As it stands now, I will move the sawmill back home tomorrow and resume that job at a later time.
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I was able to saw 1383bf of 2X10 X 10' before the magic smoke got released.
Dermatologist visit today - I am his miracle patient of the year and may become the new spokesman for Dupixant. ;) Then shopping for materials to build another composting toilet and 2 sheds.
Our two friends who run the local hair salon came by and picked out a 4"X8"X6' Basswood plank that I went ahead and planed, sanded the front and squared the ends and will deliver tomorrow. They are using it in a house reno project under a walnut mantle and were very happy. They are great guys and good friends so it was time very well spent.
York Woodwright,
I am confident you will be rewarded in heaven if not before for today's work! Some things are more valuable than and better compensation than what goes in our wallets. Helping a student is definitely time and money well spent.
Lynn,
Glad you were equipped to help. My customer's son and helper asked me Saturday "How often does that fire extinguisher at the front of the mill get used." I told him "Hopefully never but it is there just in case." I bet if you include 2 fire extinguishers or refills, as appropriate or your final invoice the customer will not quibble too much about them. :D
@Tristen (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=52938) just a thought, but looking at the two pieces with the largest void I could see them in an outdoor kitchen with a custom hammered sink inlaid into there - might be a marketing avenue.
@Southside (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=24297) Great Idea, I hope someone will find something to make out of them, very unique and very cool looking. I hope someone turns them into something nice.
@Magicman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=10011) those folks have had all kinds of trouble with the skidsteer since you got there! (If that's the same one that frequently needs tires)
Quote from: Tristen on June 07, 2021, 11:36:45 AM
This was a walnut log left in the woods by a logger. When i looked at it laying in the woods i could tell why the loggers had left it laying. I had a small split down one side, it was all closed up but you could tell it was NOT a high quality log. I was hoping there was a few good 5/4 boards left in it. However after the first cut i found the big hollow spot inside the log. I could tell right away i was going to get ZERO high quality 5/4 inch boards out of it. I decided to try my luck at some 8/4 live edge slabs, it was the only way i could think of to get any value out of this log. Got pretty lucky because my first cut opened up the hollow spot.
IF these hold together after they are kiln dried i will be happy !
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Headboards and bed frames !!!!
DWyatt, Yes the same skidsteer but stuff happens. This is a borrowed skidsteer and the tires were entirely my customer's fault for retracting the grapple too far and contacting the tire. Personally I think that there should be a "stop" of some sort to prevent such, but there is not. This fire was not the operator's fault in any way. Just metal fatigue at the tailpipe/muffler junction which allowed the tailpipe to fall against the 12V contact..
We finished the available logs and called it quits for now on this job until the skidsteer gets fixed. I sawed 1846 bf on this trip for a job total of 8948 bf.
I'll try to catch up on some local sawing for now.
it can be a problem buying a generic grapple, intended to work on "any" skid steer. my brother did road construction. they called it monkey proofing, meaning any employee could jump on the equipment, and it was set up to not implode on itself.
"This machinery does not have a brain, you will be required to use yours." (Sign inside cabs I've seen.) ;D
Not so far "road trip", three miles away. I looked at these logs while they were still trees and have been waiting for the customer to get ready.
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I moved and set the sawmill up this morning for tomorrow's sawing. Home building has already begun in the background.
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The log whack is uphill and the logs should handle very nicely. We will take the tractor/FEL and adjust that large top log toward the rear a couple of feet before we begin sawing. All of the others are OK. I should have taken another step to the left because the logs are more centered than they appear.
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Twenty 12' to 16' logs ~14" to 34" diameter which will all be sawn into framing lumber. The home builder and his helper will be my tailgunners.
Quote from: Magicman on June 09, 2021, 12:17:55 PM
Not so far "road trip", three miles away. I looked at these logs while they were still trees and have been waiting for the customer to get ready.
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I moved and set the sawmill up this morning for tomorrow's sawing. Home building has already begun in the background.
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The log whack is uphill and the logs should handle very nicely. We will take the tractor/FEL and adjust that large top log toward the rear a couple of feet before we begin sawing. All of the others are OK. I should have taken another step to the left because the logs are more centered than they appear.
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Twenty 12' to 16' logs ~14" to 34" diameter which will all be sawn into framing lumber. The home builder and his helper will be my tailgunners.
I would love to see a certain @Jeff (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=1) Youtube channel tape the "master" on sawing dimensional lumber as I play mostly with Hardwoods and Hobbyist cuts. I have read your posts before and have dabbled in dimensional but there is nothing like seeing it in "person".
I have often thought about such a video, but it would have to be someone else behind the camera. When I am sawing I am sorta in a "zone" and I am too busy with the job at hand to be distracted by anything.
Tomorrow's log whack would be a prime example with many different opportunities to make a video since we will be sawing whatever dimensions that the logs want to give. :P
Quote from: Magicman on June 09, 2021, 01:11:05 PM
When I am sawing I am sorta in a "zone" and I am too busy with the job at hand to be distracted by anything.
Yep, in the zone. It's like, leave me alone I am sawing!
I just realized and starting to see, by watching blade tension, when the blade starts getting dull. So, I have increased my speed thru the cut a little and am more focused on the gauge more..................eh, after I make sure the blade won't strike a backstop or clamp.
hugs, Brandi
I'd do the video, but somehow I need a teleportation station.
Quote from: Jeff on June 09, 2021, 01:42:10 PM
I'd do the video, but somehow I need a teleportation station.
"Beam me down Magic Man."
Maybe Mr. Magic Man could move his marvelous mechanical mobile mill from Mississippi to Michigan to make a major movie? ???
I do believe there is a tractor that was centered around a relocation discussion but colder weather put off the adventure.
Quote from: Jeff on June 09, 2021, 01:42:10 PM
I'd do the video, but somehow I need a teleportation station.
ROAD TRIP!!!
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Cut this ugly Pine into slabs.
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Half live edge half live edge one side.
I did one of those today and will have another to do tomorrow on a 26" SYP log.
My sawing went very well but I only sawed 6½ hours due to some customer distractions.
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2080 bf of framing lumber plus the slabs.
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There were 20 logs and we will saw these last 5 in the morning. I don't know what that bad dude on the left is gonna make. Knotty logs make low quality knotty lumber. The center log will make mostly 1 or 2 live edge slabs for kitchen, etc. counter tops.
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I don't know what that bad dude on the left is gonna make. Knotty logs make low quality knotty lumber.
I use them for stickers and/or 4x4 four foot cribbing for my welding shop. So they are cut 4 foot, which allows artistic license around the knots.
hugs, Brandi
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text from a regular customer for a 9X10X10 live on one edge beam.Hemlock.
Never know what someone needs.
Yup richhiway, scratch where it itches. 8)
I cut a parallelogram this week, only this time it was on purpose!
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I cut a parallelogram this week, only this time it was on purpose!
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I had to cut one very similar to that one last fall, a beam with one sloped face.
Curious as to the intended purpose.
I finished the 20 log job plus a couple of ERC mantels, etc. for another customer today.
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4098 bf of 2X4's plus a few single and two live edge slabs for the customer's wife & daughter. All of this is for the customer's new 4K+ square foot home. The above was sawn in 7½ hours.
I have more framing lumber scheduled for next week for another repeat customer.
Quote from: Southside on June 11, 2021, 08:08:49 PM
Curious as to the intended purpose.
If this is asking about the one sloped face beam, it's for support of a shallow sloped roof over a deck. I believe it has 2" X 4" framing and needs additional support centrally across to support snow loads.
Finished milling the osage orange finally (been super swamped and hadn't had time). Question, is osage orange a desirable wood for tables and whatnot? I have no idea how to price slabs like these. They are all 2.5 inches thick, 10 ft long, and range from 2 ft wide to 3 ft wide. I'm really unsure about the x shaped one(s) at the end
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So these two slabs actually nest into one another, this is where the two trees were growing/twisted together. I imagine someone could make a very cool table out of this maybe....I'll know more once it dries and I know whether it splits and cracks and stuff, though I think osage is pretty stable from what I've read. I'd have NO IDEA what to even think something like this would be worth to someone wanting to build a table out of though. Suggestions anyone? (I'm not even sure I'm allowed to post questions like this, so if not, I apologize and I understand if the post gets removed).
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I'd say the X piece is worth at least 1 SGU maybe even 2!
2sgu plus maybe a pygmy unit ... :)
That really is a neat piece.
Those are all really unique pieces of wood. I'd think starting at $10 bd/ft maybe more for the super neat one!
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I'd say the X piece is worth at least 1 SGU maybe even 2!
What is an SGU?
The equivalent of $300. Next you will want to know why. :laugh:
It is that time again. Sticker time.
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When I have bucked a lot of logs and the ends are less than 8 feet, I cut them down to 4 feet to saw 4x4 cribbing. I delivered a 4x4 pallet of 56 yesterday to my friendly welding shop.
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The wood removed to get down to a cant, I cut at 1 & 1/8" for stickers.
Who likes cutting stickers?
hugs, Brandi
You can never have too many stickers. ;D
Quote from: burdman_22 on June 12, 2021, 12:31:57 PMWhat is an SGU?
The Forestry Forum Dictionary located within the "Extra" folder above is your friend. :)
There are also many other goodies and tools that Jeff has provided for us, not only there, but also just above the "posting box".
John and I sawed devilwood this morning. We started with a large Pecan log and finished with a Pignut Hickory. They sawed flat with a new 7° Kasco .050" blade. We need to buy or make fine adjust outriggers. I'm over the lever outriggers. We still have some live oak we need to saw and 30 new blades should be on the way.
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For those who are interested, this was a standing, live pecan tree this week and sawed into slabs this morning. It already has ambrosia beetles in it-see the straws?
Yep, those ambrosia beetles are quick on the draw. They leave the wood very quickly after it is sawn. I see this all the time in pine.
They are actually your friend with Pecan and will leave those black stained holes that furniture builders mimic with black ink spots. ;D
Quote from: caveman on June 12, 2021, 07:53:11 PMThey sawed flat with a new 7° Kasco .050" blade. We need to buy or make fine adjust outriggers. I'm over the lever outriggers. We still have some live oak we need to saw and 30 new blades should be on the way.
Great bands and a good price. I can saw 32" wide and stay flat in anything.
Quote from: Resonator on June 12, 2021, 03:53:32 PM
You can never have too many stickers. ;D
I had a customer (builder) bring them back the next day. Another customer will bring some back June 30th, along with some old growth fence row cedar. I can't wait to see the cedar. Stickers, not so much. ::)
hugs, Brandi
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I am coming to love saturdays... the day when I get to run the saw not chase my tail around a sawmill... and cut all the fun things that aren't part of the usual daily grind. Like the lonely White Carabeen that got left in the yard "too long" and got some spalt happening, along with the two-tone colouration.
Methinks some more of it might have to sit for "too long" It's going to make some pretty handy looking wall panelling.
I was at job this week, 2 days. My favourite type of job, A farmer with lots of equipment, 100 horse tractor and big skid steer. One on either side of the mill for loading and unloading. We did slabs and a lot of 4/4 QS ash.
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My customer sent me the cut list for his new home that I will start sawing framing lumber for next week.
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16,295 bf total. I will saw the first 5 items first as they are for the foundation and he will have those treated. He and I will visit the sawing/building site this afternoon and hopefully I can begin sawing by Tuesday.
Are you cutting full-size lumber now? Your numbers look like you are.
All of the lumber that I saw is rounded up to the next full inch and scaled accordingly. Dimension or full size are scaled and billed at the same rate. This is plainly stated in the sawing contract that both the customer and I sign before any sawing is done.
That is the way it is and the way that it has always been. In over 19 years I don't recall sawing but 2 jobs full size.
That's great news MM - here's hoping that Tuesday sees you digging into that big cut list.
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Assuming is usually dangerous, so I'll ask: has your customer checked with the "powers that be" to use your WM milled framing lumber, after a time air drying?
. . . or has he got a kiln and an licensed lumber grader booked after you've finished?
Here is what is printed on the backside of my Sawmilling Contract of which the customer gets a signed copy and I retain a signed copy:
1. County and City building permit requirements?
2. Lending institution requirements?
3. Does the blueprint specify/allow rough sawn lumber?
4. Will your insurance cover a dwelling built with rough sawn lumber?
5. Will your builder/carpenter build with rough sawn lumber?
Understood, you're wise to cover off the liabilities involved.
Do you know if he has answers to the questions?
This customer told me that this lumber will go to a kiln and that the foundation lumber will be treated. Beyond that, I have no idea.
I make sure that the customers read the 5 items but what they do beyond that I have no idea. I have not seen any intended homes not built nor lumber fail to disappear.
There is one county within 60 miles of me where I have never sawn framing lumber. When folks call from that county I suggest that they call their permit office.
Thanks for that MM.
Knowing how to send a blade through a log is a big part of the job - knowing the related market facts and "reading" a client may be just as big.
As usual, you've got your finger on the pulse. 😆
Your good salesmen to talk your customers into paying for air.
I have been sawing for 34 + years and can't do that up here. :D
In N.H a bf is 12"x12"x1" My 2x4x8 is 5.3 bf not 3.5. If I cut 1"1/2 x 3.1/2 times a100 that's a lot of free $$
Happy you can do that.
Peter - I have had plenty of folks try to beat me up on that as well, I simply explain that the handling is the same and my quality far exceeds what the box store sells, so it's their choice on nominal or full dimension, but the price is calculated at full dimension.
Didn't get to start milling today, but this is my next project!
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My primary focus is custom milling my clients' logs but I try to have a supply of various species on hand for those clients that want more lumber but don't have their own logs. Lately I have had a lot of requests for eastern red cedar but my normal suppliers, local tree guys, have not been able to come up with anything over about 10" SED. A person building a new home near by got my name from a neighbor and called to ask if I wanted some free trees (we've heard that one before), telling me that they were already down, pulled out with a track hoe, and that she hated to see them wasted. She said they were cedar and 'pretty big'.
I dropped by one morning and found a pile of tree length, including rootballs, about 15' high. Although I would normally pass, they weren't perfect but they were bigger than anything I have been able to source so I decided to harvest them myself. Truck, chains, chainsaws and a helpful wife, in two mornings we got all the good logs.
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I'm a one-man business so I had to take a break to answer the phone. Got 16 logs in all.
Been milling 1x12 and 1x3 for board and bat siding the last couple of days. This pile of logs is shrinking slower than I expected. Hopefully I can be done by about noon tomorrow. I'll try to remember to get pictures of the wrap around deck that is timber framed with beams that I milled last year.
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Been milling 1x12 and 1x3 for board and bat siding the last couple of days. This pile of logs is shrinking slower than I expected. Hopefully I can be done by about noon tomorrow. I'll try to remember to get pictures of the wrap around deck that is timber framed with beams that I milled last year.
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Got some nice wood there!
Quote from: Peter Drouin on June 13, 2021, 10:11:20 PMYour good salesmen to talk your customers into paying for air.
Peter, I knew full well where you were going with your scaling question and considered ignoring it, but there are many readers that expect answers so I answered it based on my business profile.
Your business profile is selling lumber and apparently you do it very successfully, and I agree with your lumber scaling.
I sell nothing, not even air. My business profile is a sawing service and I saw customer's logs at their location into whatever dimension that they specify and the scaling is clearly defined before any sawing is done. I too am very successful.
For you to even insinuate that either I or my business profile is dishonest in any way is in poor form.
I've been sawing white oak posts and beams for a guy. On his last load he threw on a couple of small walnut logs. They were my tip!
The logs came from a heavy leaner tree, were crooked, and really small. I thought about turning bowls from them but just too small. Decided to cut charcuterie stock. They were the perfect size for that and will work well with resin art. I sawed 1-1/4" thick. When dry this fall I might put the family kids on them making Christmas presents or sell as charcuterie kits.
8" SED and crooked. Live edge sawing goes fast but I suspect I only got a whopping 30 or 40 board foot out of the two logs I sawed. Still that's $150-$200 of product when dry, costing about 20 minutes of saw time.
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For you to even insinuate that either I or my business profile is dishonest in any way is in poor form.
I was not trying to say you are dishonest at all.
Sorry if you feel that way.
I know your customers understand the pricing before you start sawing.
Pricing for full size and sawing dressed lumber size, in the end, is not the same bf of lumber is all.
It's not dishonest to charge for full-size and cut dress sizes when the customer knows it.
I do wish you well. You do well for an old guy. ;)
I mean no disrespect to you, Sorry if I upset you.
Quote from: Peter Drouin on June 14, 2021, 01:07:50 PMSorry if I upset you.
No one is upset here, and we are good. :)
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I don't know what that bad dude on the left is gonna make. Knotty logs make low quality knotty lumber.
I use them for stickers and/or 4x4 four foot cribbing for my welding shop. So they are cut 4 foot, which allows artistic license around the knots.
hugs, Brandi
Yes Brandi, Johnny Jett sure seems like a good man.
Rich
Meanwhile, to answer the question: whatcha sawin' 2021
D-Logs mostly! Trying desperately to get many of them milled up (I need to do that math) with little time to devote to the project and less than normal since I moved another 70 miles further away!
But I did agree to mill up 80 logs for an old customer....he keeps twisting my arm!!! Darn it, but it will likely be the ONLY project I take on for someone else this year. He's a great guy and does awesome work (and is an inspiration as he has Parkinsons but keeps going!) so I agreed, for a price, to mill these 80 logs. All 16 footers but a handful of 20 footers and all supposedly 18-36" diameter.
I better get back to walking so I'm ready for the long haul on this one! Going to take some time off work for it too.
Quote from: Magicman on June 14, 2021, 08:06:28 AM
Quote from: Peter Drouin on June 13, 2021, 10:11:20 PMYour good salesmen to talk your customers into paying for air.
Peter, I knew full well where you were going with your scaling question and considered ignoring it, but there are many readers that expect answers so I answered it based on my business profile.
Your business profile is selling lumber and apparently you do it very successfully, and I agree with your lumber scaling.
I sell nothing, not even air. My business profile is a sawing service and I saw customer's logs at their location into whatever dimension that they specify and the scaling is clearly defined before any sawing is done. I too am very successful.
For you to even insinuate that either I or my business profile is dishonest in any way is in poor form.
I did the same exact thing when I was custom sawing. The price changed when it went to 1"
My customer sent me another cut list tonight which is considerably different from the one I posted in Reply #911:
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About 12Mbf more lumber. The framing lumber changed and he added wall paneling and ceiling 1X6's. I will meet the customer and the builder on site tomorrow evening so we shall see.
This could get very interesting before da fat lady sings. ;D
MM - with that list you might need to get a portable "Tree Smoother" before it's all said and done. :D
Quote from: donbj on June 14, 2021, 01:41:00 AM
Quote from: Crossroads on June 14, 2021, 01:08:11 AM
Been milling 1x12 and 1x3 for board and bat siding the last couple of days. This pile of logs is shrinking slower than I expected. Hopefully I can be done by about noon tomorrow. I'll try to remember to get pictures of the wrap around deck that is timber framed with beams that I milled last year.
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Got some nice wood there!
Yes, it was nice wood, I think there were only 4 or 5 logs that I couldn't get at least a few 1x12's out of. Although they were a bit dirty and even with the debarker, were hard on blades.
Well, didn't finish by noon, it ended up being a full day to finish. It was hot and I was ready to be done for the day, so I didn't get any pictures, sorry. If I'm lucky, customer will text me a couple pics tomorrow. Off to Sagle Idaho tomorrow to start what is estimated to be a 3 day job.
Quote from: Tom the Sawyer on June 14, 2021, 12:02:28 AM
My primary focus is custom milling my clients' logs but I try to have a supply of various species on hand for those clients that want more lumber but don't have their own logs. Lately I have had a lot of requests for eastern red cedar but my normal suppliers, local tree guys, have not been able to come up with anything over about 10" SED. A person building a new home near by got my name from a neighbor and called to ask if I wanted some free trees (we've heard that one before), telling me that they were already down, pulled out with a track hoe, and that she hated to see them wasted. She said they were cedar and 'pretty big'.
I dropped by one morning and found a pile of tree length, including rootballs, about 15' high. Although I would normally pass, they weren't perfect but they were bigger than anything I have been able to source so I decided to harvest them myself. Truck, chains, chainsaws and a helpful wife, in two mornings we got all the good logs.
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I'm a one-man business so I had to take a break to answer the phone. Got 16 logs in all.
Hard to pass up big cedar!
My red neck log deck.
Set it up last week to try out.
Its working out great.
I will weld some things to it and cut back some sharp points.
Then paint it .
I'm doing maintenance and repair/builds on the weekends.
I can't find weekend help this year.
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Don't try this for the first time at the end of the day when you are tired.......
I think red necks have a bad wrap Bruno, I like your log deck and will probably be coming up with something similar in the near future.
The steel is much easier to move odd shaped logs.
They can be pushed with a peavy or slid along.
Much faster.
That's good to know, thank you.
I'm not sawing for the next few days, I picked up a excavation job and will be laying about 1200' of water line.
One advantage I found with my makeshift log deck is it could take the abuse of dropping logs on it, without worrying about knocking the mill out of alignment by loading directly on it.
Quote from: Resonator on June 19, 2021, 09:53:57 AM
One advantage I found with my makeshift log deck is it could take the abuse of dropping logs on it, without worrying about knocking the mill out of alignment by loading directly on it.
Exactly! Loading directly onto the mill with a fel or forks or grapple is always taking a chance.
Saturday June 12th the sawmill and I traveled 81 miles to saw walnut slabs in Emerson Iowa. My first photo of the day was sunrise over the Missouri River from the highway 2 bridge at Nebraska City. It was a pleasant reminder of all the time I've spent fishing and waterskiing on that particularly piece of water. In the mirror you can see the TK1600 in tow behind my truck.
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The customer had at least twenty walnut logs scattered about in several piles waiting to be sawn. He also had a John Deere skid loader for bringing the logs to the mills loading arms.
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The sawing took 8 hours and the logs were all turned into either 1 1/2" or 2 5/8" live edged slabs. The client had a 14' x 8' dump box type gooseneck trailer that we filled with over #9000 lbs of slabs. The rest of the slabs were dead stacked in the driveway to be hauled away in two more trips. It wasn't until I had left the job that I realized I never took photos of the trailer full of slabs or the slabs dead stacked in the drive but I did take a photo of this one on the sawmill.
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Thanks for looking!
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I figured it out in the morning.
FYesterday I traveled 44 miles to a saw for a repeat customer south of Johnson Nebraska. The customer had an assortment of logs of his own as well as one oak log brought in from a nearby neighbor and a couple big oak logs brought over by his cousin who lives in the house just up the road from him.
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We started the day off with a walnut log that was sawn into 5/4" lumber. Some live edge, some square edged boards.
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Then a large 497 bf Burr Oak log that was only 8'-8" long. I had to trim off a little flair here and there to make it fit. This log was brought over by the clients cousin and had been salvaged out of an old dead oak that had fallen into his creek some years back. You can see this log in the weeds just to the right of the saw head in the photo below.
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Some of the oak boards produced from that log.
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Miscellaneous Hackberry, pine, cedar, oak, and walnut 5/4" boards, live edge slabs, and 6"x6"s
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And the wide, knotty, pitch filled, difficult to saw ponderosa pine slabs below that I seriously struggled with. I was not happy with the way the two slabs on the left turned out. I even tried re-sawing the wide ones with two different brands of new blades and couldn't get a flat cut. So I deducted the time spent on these from my billing.
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Last off was some 5/4" walnut crotch slabs and dry stickers cut out of scrap 2x boards the client had.
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Thanks for looking.
Quote from: richhiway on June 20, 2021, 07:10:38 PM
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I figured it out in the morning.
Is that a shiplap attachment? HAPPY FATHER'S DAY, Y'all!
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: DPatton on June 20, 2021, 04:30:25 PM
Saturday June 12th the sawmill and I traveled 81 miles to saw walnut slabs in Emerson Iowa. My first photo of the day was sunrise over the Missouri River from the highway 2 bridge at Nebraska City. It was a pleasant reminder of all the time I've spent fishing and waterskiing on that particularly piece of water. In the mirror you can see the TK1600 in tow behind my truck.
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The customer had at least twenty walnut logs scattered about in several piles waiting to be sawn. He also had a John Deere skid loader for bringing the logs to the mills loading arms.
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The sawing took 8 hours and the logs were all turned into either 1 1/2" or 2 5/8" live edged slabs. The client had a 14' x 8' dump box type gooseneck trailer that we filled with over #9000 lbs of slabs. The rest of the slabs were dead stacked in the driveway to be hauled away in two more trips. It wasn't until I had left the job that I realized I never took photos of the trailer full of slabs or the slabs dead stacked in the drive but I did take a photo of this one on the sawmill.
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Thanks for looking!
Last time I crossed that bridge they were building levies around Sapp Bros truck stop.
Quote from: Bindian on June 20, 2021, 10:47:32 PM
Quote from: richhiway on June 20, 2021, 07:10:38 PM
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I figured it out in the morning.
Is that a shiplap attachment? HAPPY FATHER'S DAY, Y'all!
hugs, Brandi
Brandi:
If you look at reply 937 you can see the SLR under the cant and on top of the bed rails.
The SLR can be used to make tapered siding and shingles.
For more information see the W-M web site.
If you do not use the SLR properly you can make some nice thin parallel boards. I know cause I done dooded it.
GAB
Quote from: Bindian on June 20, 2021, 10:47:32 PM
Quote from: richhiway on June 20, 2021, 07:10:38 PM
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I figured it out in the morning.
Is that a shiplap attachment? HAPPY FATHER'S DAY, Y'all!
hugs, Brandi
Yes that is the Woodmizer jig just to the left.
I bought it used and this was the first time I used it. Works great.
Quote from: LogPup on June 20, 2021, 11:04:15 PM
Quote from: DPatton on June 20, 2021, 04:30:25 PM
Saturday June 12th the sawmill and I traveled 81 miles to saw walnut slabs in Emerson Iowa. My first photo of the day was sunrise over the Missouri River from the highway 2 bridge at Nebraska City. It was a pleasant reminder of all the time I've spent fishing and waterskiing on that particularly piece of water. In the mirror you can see the TK1600 in tow behind my truck.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/43417/79D6BD15-9BD7-42E6-81BA-000774583C84.jpeg?easyrotate_cache=1624218842)
The customer had at least twenty walnut logs scattered about in several piles waiting to be sawn. He also had a John Deere skid loader for bringing the logs to the mills loading arms.
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The sawing took 8 hours and the logs were all turned into either 1 1/2" or 2 5/8" live edged slabs. The client had a 14' x 8' dump box type gooseneck trailer that we filled with over #9000 lbs of slabs. The rest of the slabs were dead stacked in the driveway to be hauled away in two more trips. It wasn't until I had left the job that I realized I never took photos of the trailer full of slabs or the slabs dead stacked in the drive but I did take a photo of this one on the sawmill.
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Thanks for looking!
Last time I crossed that bridge they were building levies around Sapp Bros truck stop.
Now they're raising the roadway and existing secondary bridges between the river bridge and Sapp Bros truck stop. They're also adding a pair of bridges to allow flood waters under the roadway where the last flood washed out the road.
Quote from: GAB on June 21, 2021, 11:33:25 AM
Quote from: Bindian on June 20, 2021, 10:47:32 PM
Quote from: richhiway on June 20, 2021, 07:10:38 PM
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I figured it out in the morning.
Is that a shiplap attachment? HAPPY FATHER'S DAY, Y'all!
hugs, Brandi
Brandi:
If you look at reply 937 you can see the SLR under the cant and on top of the bed rails.
The SLR can be used to make tapered siding and shingles.
For more information see the W-M web site.
If you do not use the SLR properly you can make some nice thin parallel boards. I know cause I done dooded it.
GAB
That is what I thought. You can see some of it in the photo in reply 944.
hugs, Brandi
I won't be moving and bucking logs and sawing anytime soon. Sat. I had a green laser light show in my right eye's peripheral vision, all day long. Sunday it was mostly a vision show of floaties in the eye.
Eye doctors fit you in when this happens, as it is dangerous. As it turns out, I have a tear and a hole on my retina. I find out Wed. if the specialist will laser the hole closed, or just let my eye doctor treat me. He has seen patient's cases go both ways. Meanwhile, I am to not do anything stressful. So when I feel up to it, I will piddle in the barn. I got 3 items to finish on the 250 hour sawmill mx.
hugs, Brandi
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get well soon!
Best of luck with that eye Brandi.
My right eye developed the same issue a few years ago.
It can be serious and come on quickly - you will want to be a strong advocate for quick treatment Brandi.
All the best for a quick recovery.
A week ago I finally got back to running the sawmill for a little bit. I milled 4 hemlock logs, two were from last fall and two I had cut the day before. I've been working on a new road and as part of the widening I cut a couple "extra" stems that were paired with larger hemlocks, one was at the edge of the road, both had a lot of limbs shadowing the road. Below is the before and after. On the left are the trees shortly before they were cut, at right the same spot the next morning.
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Stems this small only allowed for one 8' butt log from each but I figured even at 11" diameter they were worth cutting into a couple beams. It was easy enough to grab them with the tractor and run them back to the log deck. The jack is along for the ride, a gentler ride on the logs vs. the rack of the 4-wheeler where I've had parts vibrate off before.
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The other two logs were a little bigger from a much bigger tree, each had two 12' logs below them on their respective trees.
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I ended up with a modest 13 4/4 side boards, 3 6x6 beams, and one 5x5 beam. I wasn't sure of the final destination for this lumber and didn't feel like reshuffling my existing air drying piles so I stacked and stickered everything on the mill. Not my normal practice but it's going to be another stretch of time before I fire up the mill again, this wood will be considerably drier and I will be using it or moving it to where it needs to go.
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Ironically, the "product" I brought home that day was the outside scrap. My wife runs a school farm and with a wet spring was looking for a way to get through the "boot sucking mud" to the feeders in the cattle pastures. Laying down some of these scrap slabs like these provided enough traction and floatation to safely reach the feeder and return. Now there is demand to keep a supply in stock.
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very nice pics, and would love to see a few more about you shed design. looks solaresch. good work in the woods.
I am sawing a two day job for a re-peat "three-peat" customer. Sycamore, Red & White Oak, and ERC.
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Hidden in the tall grass.
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My customer and his brother "rolling" a chainsaw split Sycamore "log" to the sawmill. Actually the Magic Hook is doing the work.
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Most of which got QS. I sawed over 2Mbf today but I forgot to take a picture. :-X
Thanks guys. Y'all are the best!
hugs, Brandi
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I needed some more stock lumber (Framing, boards and battens) to build another composting toilet and 2 sheds so I cut a spruce tree out of my overaged Christmas tree patch, dragged it down and bucked into 6 - 8 & 7 ft logs. All are small diameter.
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Took 1.6 engine hours and here is the finished product. Battens are 3" wide X 3/8" thick. Total yield was 144 bf. I'll need to cut another tree or two to get enough siding I think.
I now have 899.5 hours on the mill. I guess my tomorrow project will be to do my 50 hour service. I have an appointment Thursday to have the trailer serviced and brakes checked and such. I sure don't want it doing like my boat trailer last Friday.
Roundhouse,
I've got you beat on the sawing for unusual product. I actually sawed a large Ash log one time just to get a bag of sawdust for a customer. Normally I'd have had a pile of sawdust by the mill but I had just cleaned up the mill site and dumped and dragged/bladed the site clean. A customer called and wanted some sawdust to use in a bucket/composting toilet in his travel van so I actually went out and cut up another stock log to get the sawdust for him.
Quote from: Bindian on June 22, 2021, 12:10:52 AM
I won't be moving and bucking logs and sawing anytime soon. Sat. I had a green laser light show in my right eye's peripheral vision, all day long. Sunday it was mostly a vision show of floaties in the eye.
Eye doctors fit you in when this happens, as it is dangerous. As it turns out, I have a tear and a hole on my retina. I find out Wed. if the specialist will laser the hole closed, or just let my eye doctor treat me. He has seen patient's cases go both ways. Meanwhile, I am to not do anything stressful. So when I feel up to it, I will piddle in the barn. I got 3 items to finish on the 250 hour sawmill mx.
hugs, Brandi
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Good you caught it quick. My wife had the same thing. The best warning she had was her brother had it years ago and ignored it and lost one eye. We jumped on it like you did and the laser treatment was successful. She had both eyes done within a year, kinda strange but glad we got it. Park the heavy lifting for a while!
Quote from: doc henderson on June 22, 2021, 06:56:54 PM
very nice pics, and would love to see a few more about you shed design. looks solaresch. good work in the woods.
Thanks doc,
Where my mill and shed is located a lot of snow falls every winter and that was the main driver in the design, a steep roof to easily lose the snow without me being there. I also wanted to allow for a lot of natural light on the mill even in gloomy weather. Since the footprint of the shed is small, 8' x 20', I built the trusses to slope in one direction. The vertical side of trusses I enclosed in clear panels to let the light in. After I built it I briefly asked myself "could I use the upper space as a solar kiln?" but I quickly dismissed that as there isn't really access for that, a floor would block light to the mill, and it wasn't built with the weight that would add in mind. Instead I've kept it open and really like the airy-ness and light around the mill. I use a tiny bit of storage up there but that's it. The shed sits on a northwest-southeast axis and I theorize that later in the winter morning sun can shine through the panels, raise the temperature a bit under the roof and help slide snow off the roof. I'm not there to observe this but the roof has worked very well for the five years I've had it.
Here is a look at the shed during construction before I put the mill under it. You can see the truss design and the end panels aren't up yet. The small "drip roof" that is on this side would be added the following spring.
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The following spring with the mill in the shed and work continuing on the drip roof.
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And with the end panels in place the shed was essentially done. The panels don't completely enclose the ends but get close enough to the eves to keep all the weather off the end trusses.
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A look at the other side of the shed early in its career. It sheds snow very well, and provides shade in the summer.
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There's no power out there so I've added a deep cell battery to run an overhead winch and some 12 volt lights that come on when I need finish up after sunset.
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Finally, here is the shed as it looks currently with a log deck in place, you can also see the lattice panels I hang on the sloped side when not running the mill.
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Pretty humble compared to a lot the large sheds I've seen here but the work that went in to it has been worth it and I'm happy with the design.
thanks RH. be proud of your creation. some nice ideas there.
I like it! How wide is the opening in front for your logs and such.
I should copy a similar design to keep the mill in when I am not on the road with my mill.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on June 23, 2021, 12:11:48 PM
I like it! Howe wide is the opening in front for your logs and such.
I should copy a similar design to keep the mill in when I am not on the road with my mill.
The opening is only about 11' which is enough for 90+% of what I mill, 8' 6" logs and 10' 6" logs. Other logs I have brought in with the loader through the backside by zig zagging them around the posts. I'm working out a system for loading oversize "beam" logs from the end, I won't need it often but will be able to mill long logs without taking the mill out of the shed.
I finished sawing my little hourly rate two day job today by sawing this jewel:
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Looks are deceiving because that top limb is ~16" diameter and 3' above the sawmill bed. Notice that we have the butt tied down with a ratchet strap. I brought it down to the stem and turned it 90°. It was then 24" wide and was sawed into 1¾" slabs.
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OK, but what was it? @WDH (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=4370) No picture of the end grain.
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The bark.
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A knot.
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Another knot.
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Woodgrain.
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Edge with bark. I am saying either Tupelo or Black Gum??
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A portion of the lumber whack.
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Another view and as they say; this one is in the book.
It is elm.
Well DanG, I see it now and it's so obvious. smiley_dizzy
At least you didn't have any trouble seeing it. ::)
My right eye got lasered today. Gotta stand down until at least Monday. I am gonna go batty no being able to do anything stressful. I may go piddle in the barn in front of my new 5 foot fan.
.........................and no, I am not cleaning the house.
hugs, Brandi
when you say... "Piddle in the Barn" ... I have to say, it conjured a little different image than I think you intended! :o :o :o 8) :D :D :D
Hey piddle, piddle, the cat and the fiddle and the cow jumped over the sawmill ;D.
we should probably get some sleep. oh well. @Bindian (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=17364) will be so happy to wake up and see that she has mail! and piddling in front of a 5 foot fan... sounds like the proverbial "piddling in the wind" . or the movie, "gone piddling with the wind". "frankly Danny, I don't give a @DanG (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=74) " 8th night of 8 in a row 12 hour shifts. please do not send me to the woodshed! 8) a couple of sick people in the AMs and 4 hours over puts me at 100 hours for the work week. so I been sawing nothing.
Quote from: doc henderson on June 24, 2021, 03:39:58 AM
when you say... "Piddle in the Barn" ... I have to say, it conjured a little different image than I think you intended! :o :o :o 8) :D :D :D
Yeah, me too. But then I thought "Well maybe he has dirt floors in his barn" and that made it OK in my head.
A classic example of the same word having different meanings for people in different parts of the country.
GAB
Quote from: WDH on June 24, 2021, 05:01:28 AMand the cow jumped over the sawmil
Funny you should say that. No jumping involved but I did have one born in the mill shed last winter when it was the only dry place on the farm and it had lights given it was happening in a rain storm at 3:00 AM.
Brandi,
Piddling in the wind aside, don't do much let your retina surgery heal! Glad you got it fixed.
Take care of yourself Brandi, there will still be lots of work for you to do when you heal up and having adequate eyesight is important. I really do admire your work ethic , you are one hard working gal.
Amen!
Brandi,
In response to comments and innuendos from several of our esteemed FF members who are obviously lacking in couth and the normally accepted basic social graces, please accept my deepest and most sincere apology. No doubt it was "a slight carelessness in their upbringing." ;)
Anyway, glad you're on the mend. Follow the your doctor's instructions and get well soon. I had cataract surgery in January and it amazing what they can do these days.
hope we made you smile!
Doc,
I'm just hoping that twinkle in her eye is not a loose laser zinging out of control. :D
I hates it when loose lasers start flopping around. . .
Bindian; it took a few weeks before I felt 'normal but altered' after my laser retina re-attach. I've been in two bush plaNE crashes, broken my back and cracked a hip to give stem cells to my cancer afflicted brother. That laser in the eye was worse than any of that.
It felt like someone was boiling an egg in a microwave, while it was in my head. But that's over now, and you should take the time to chill out and give it a good long while to heal up.
It'll be worth the wait.
Quote from: Old Greenhorn on June 24, 2021, 07:07:21 AM
Quote from: doc henderson on June 24, 2021, 03:39:58 AM
when you say... "Piddle in the Barn" ... I have to say, it conjured a little different image than I think you intended! :o :o :o 8) :D :D :D
Yeah, me too. But then I thought "Well maybe he has dirt floors in his barn" and that made it OK in my head.
Who has dirt floors?
Brandi
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on June 24, 2021, 06:16:13 PM
Brandi,
In response to comments and innuendos from several of our esteemed FF members who are obviously lacking in couth and the normally accepted basic social graces, please accept my deepest and most sincere apology. No doubt it was "a slight carelessness in their upbringing." ;)
Anyway, glad you're on the mend. Follow the your doctor's instructions and get well soon. I had cataract surgery in January and it amazing what they can do these days.
Thanks Howard! The others just are jealous they don't live in Texas.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: WDH on June 24, 2021, 05:01:28 AM
Hey piddle, piddle, the cat and the fiddle and the cow jumped over the sawmill ;D.
It goes.............Hey diddle diddle.........
Brandi
Quote from: doc henderson on June 24, 2021, 06:29:24 PM
hope we made you smile!
I got food poisoning and no, it did not.
Brandi
well I hope you are feeling much better soon, and I guess we will go back to sawing. Hugs! Doc.
This cherry needed to come down after the derecho last year. Got some good slabs. Wish I had more time, a lot of nice trees have to still come down because of the storm.
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Brandi:
What I'd like to ask, to prevent it from happing to others, is how did you get a laser shot in your eye?
Jim Rogers
I have a question for all you cherry miller's out there. How do you pick the cherries on those trees that have 60' canopies? Our here in Oregon our cherry trees don't look like that. We grow big evergreens and even big deciduous evergreens but not cherries like that. Ours have a silvery bark and get to 30'ish on a big one.
Quote from: JRWoodchuck on June 25, 2021, 09:35:32 AM
I have a question for all you cherry miller's out there. How do you pick the cherries on those trees that have 60' canopies? Our here in Oregon our cherry trees don't look like that. We grow big evergreens and even big deciduous evergreens but not cherries like that. Ours have a silvery bark and get to 30'ish on a big one.
Speaking only for myself, the vast majority of the cherry we cut and mill is black cherry, also known as wild cherry or bird cherry. The seed is almost completely stone and it requires much patience and tedious work to make anything out of them. I've heard of people making jellies, from the juice, but have never seen it done.
All that to say, picking cherries is not an issue. Wild cherry is a fence row tree around here.
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Just about maxing out the Tractor and the mill. 12.5' 29" diameter EWP. I need hydraulics!
Sawed a hollow red oak for live edge river table slabs this morning. 32" on the big end, so a perfect fit for my mill. Some of my customers wouldn't cross the street for a good grade log. :D
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After I slabbed it, I put the log back together in the boule to make it easy to match the half slabs that fell apart.
I'm thinking I should charge extra for hole sawing, I mean it takes lots of experience and skill to saw the perfect hole! :) I keep thinking its gonna take $1,000 of resin to fill the hole.
Quote from: Jim_Rogers on June 25, 2021, 08:30:37 AM
Brandi:
What I'd like to ask, to prevent it from happing to others, is how did you get a laser shot in your eye?
Jim Rogers
Jim,
Thanks for your question. I reread my original post and "see" the confusion. Last Saturday, I had shooting lights in my right eye's peripheral vision. It was all over the top, bottom, and side of my eye. I knew I had a problem as Rep. Dan Crenshaw of Texas, with his eye patch, stated on TV that shooting light is dangerous, as your retina can detach and can loose vision in that eye. Sunday, I had a few shoots of light, but not many. I did have lots and lots of floaters in that eye. Monday, I got into see my eye doctor, who said I had a tear (really a hole) in my retina and referred me to a specialist. After making my appointment with Retina Consultants of Texas for Wednesday, I got food poisoning. So no one shot my eye by accident with a laser. It was on purpose and really painless.
I wasn't without pain, because I was just flat wore out, especially getting out in the heat. I get exhausted just putting on my clothes.
Oh yeah............I still have floaters in my eye, but hardly any streaks of light. All that may go away, or stay.
hugs, Brandi
Thanks for the explanations and our sincere hopes for a speedy and complete recovery. I am sure glad to find it was not caused by the laser on the mill. :D
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on June 25, 2021, 04:43:59 PM
Thanks for the explanations and our sincere hopes for a speedy and complete recovery. I am sure glad to find it was not caused by the laser on the mill. :D
Howard,
I don't have a laser on my mill.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Bindian on June 25, 2021, 04:25:02 PM
It was on purpose and really painless.
That's interesting.
My eye doctor found a slight tear/detachment in my left eye about 35 years ago.
He happened to be a retina specialist and scheduled me for Laser surgery the next day.
What I remember is the most intense pain I have ever felt, I have said it felt like a red hot nail being shoved through my eye.
I've had 2 shoulder surgeries and the closest pain is when my rotator cuff tore, That woke me up in the middle of the night.
I'm glad the technology for doing it has improved that much.
As I recall my tear was related to my high myopia (nearsightedness) and I am at high risk for that type of problem.
I see a ophthalmologist ever year just to make sure nothing is going wrong. I like it when I get told there are no changes.
Be Careful.
Dave
Quote from: Machinebuilder on June 26, 2021, 08:05:34 AM
Quote from: Bindian on June 25, 2021, 04:25:02 PM
It was on purpose and really painless.
That's interesting.
My eye doctor found a slight tear/detachment in my left eye about 35 years ago.
He happened to be a retina specialist and scheduled me for Laser surgery the next day.
What I remember is the most intense pain I have ever felt, I have said it felt like a red hot nail being shoved through my eye.
I've had 2 shoulder surgeries and the closest pain is when my rotator cuff tore, That woke me up in the middle of the night.
I'm glad the technology for doing it has improved that much.
As I recall my tear was related to my high myopia (nearsightedness) and I am at high risk for that type of problem.
I see a ophthalmologist ever year just to make sure nothing is going wrong. I like it when I get told there are no changes.
Be Careful.
Dave
Yes, it is amazing how far we have come with technology. There wasn't any pain, but a bright light. Only pain was from the surgeon moving my head around and me sitting in that uncomfortable chair. They need to talk to my dentist. I can sleep in his chairs.
hugs, Brandi
Brandi:
If you can sleep through a root canal your better than me.
GAB
Brandi,
I am like you with the dentist and fall asleep in the chair. Once when I was in the USMC a Navy Lt. Cmdr was working on me and I fell asleep and he had to wake me up to open my mouth so he could get his thumb free.
Quote from: GAB on June 26, 2021, 02:34:21 PM
Brandi:
If you can sleep through a root canal your better than me.
GAB
Actually, I did fall asleep in the oral surgeon's chair during a root canal.
hugs, Brandi
while other women get hair, nails and massage, you get a hole in your retina, food poisoning and a root canal. :) you rock. best regards, Doc!
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on June 26, 2021, 02:56:28 PM
Brandi,
I am like you with the dentist and fall asleep in the chair. Once when I was in the USMC a Navy Lt. Cmdr was working on me and I fell asleep and he had to wake me up to open my mouth so he could get his thumb free.
Yea - OK, that was an "accident"... ;D
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on June 26, 2021, 02:56:28 PM
Brandi,
I am like you with the dentist and fall asleep in the chair. Once when I was in the USMC a Navy Lt. Cmdr was working on me and I fell asleep and he had to wake me up to open my mouth so he could get his thumb free.
What's so good about root canals is your mouth is wedged open and you are told to relax your jaw. I did have a dentist from 1979 until 3 years ago, that didn't use all the newer trappings and always had to tell me................open wide. He had a squirt water fountain with dixie cups. Still does to this day. Talk about being surprised at all the new dental gadgets when I changed dentists! WOW. Just wished I would have changed sooner!
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: doc henderson on June 26, 2021, 08:56:41 PM
while other women get hair, nails and massage, you get a hole in your retina, food poisoning and a root canal. :) you rock. best regards, Doc!
Doc,
What can I say....................I am getting bored. Wait, when did I get a root canal?
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Southside on June 26, 2021, 09:55:52 PM
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on June 26, 2021, 02:56:28 PM
Brandi,
I am like you with the dentist and fall asleep in the chair. Once when I was in the USMC a Navy Lt. Cmdr was working on me and I fell asleep and he had to wake me up to open my mouth so he could get his thumb free.
Yea - OK, that was an "accident"... ;D
What was an accident? Howard falling asleep or the Lt. Cmdr. getting his thumb stuck? :D :D :D
hugs, Brandi
I think I am feeling better now. Thanks for putting up with me, Y'all.
hugs, Brandi
Yesterday's saw job was located 32 miles away just a couple miles outside of Nebraska City. This was my first time sawing for the customer. The logs were all cottonwood and were to be sawn into 2"x6"x16' for pole barn purlins and 2"x12"x12' for hay trailer decking. Knowing that the client has had custom sawing done before and that he had ample support equipment for moving logs I skipped my normal pre-saw site visit.
Upon arrival I was pleased to find everything in order with logs debarked, sorted, and stored based on size and length. Plenty of room for sawmill setup and maneuvering logs into place, plenty of helpers, and some really first rate support equipment.
Below is a picture of the log storage yard with one of the two Kabota Skid loaders retrieving a log.
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Trimming off one end of the log and ready to deliver it to the sawmills loader arms.
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Those of you that read this topic know many of my clients have me saw live edge slabs. It was exciting and a pleasure to finally do a framing lumber job again. Below are some 2"x6"s x16' coming off of the saw and being stacked on the hay trailer to the right.
The little black box fan on the white bucket was placed there by the client to help keep me cool while sawing. It was a hot muggy morning and that fan was greatly appreciated!
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2"x12"s x12' long ready to be stacked and stickered.
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The job from arrival to completion was 6 3/4 hours, used roughly 7.5 gallons of fuel in the mill, and we used 3 new TimberKing Ultra blades during sawing. The logs cut quite easily compared to most other woods I typically saw and having them completely debarked made a big difference in how long my blades lasted.
Hopefully I impressed the client enough to saw for him again in the future.
That job is what dreams are made of. 8)
Nicely balanced rings in your lumber, Sir.
Quote from: Bindian on June 26, 2021, 10:39:25 PM
Quote from: doc henderson on June 26, 2021, 08:56:41 PM
while other women get hair, nails and massage, you get a hole in your retina, food poisoning and a root canal. :) you rock. best regards, Doc!
Doc,
What can I say....................I am getting bored. Wait, when did I get a root canal?
hugs, Brandi
must of been in the past, (reply 1002 for me). I orient my posts in reverse and I am usually off by 1 when referring to posts. anyhoo glad you are on the mend.
About 10 days ago a customer dropped off seven hemlock logs. Last week I sawed them.
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As you can see there was no shortage of knots. I've only sawed hemlock once and that was several years ago so it was a treat to saw something different. I was concerned about the knots but as it turned out they were not a problem. For some reason I thought hemlock would make bland looking lumber like white pine but that is not the case. Hemlock lumber has more character and color. I like the way it looks and I enjoyed myself with this job.
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Happy sawing.....Cutter
Took a break from framing lumber and pine boards.
I sawed some soft maple with Ambrosia.
Its was 100° today as well.
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Luke and I returned to a repeat customer today sawing framing lumber for his new home which will be built at this location..
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Plenty of level open space and good logs which we are bucking and skidding with the customer's tractor. The shed in the background is filled with previously sawn & stickered lumber. He still does not have enough logs to complete his cut list so either he will work this weekend or we will return later. Don't know yet?? Oh he has plenty of logs, but they are vertical.....not horizontal. ;D
Just piddlin' (No comments needed from the peanut gallery) today and cut up some real small spruce tops to make a few more 7' & 8' 2X4s for my toilet and small shed orders. I think I cut up 8 small tops for a whopping 15 2X4s. Actually the last 2 were 2X6's.
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You can see the tiny tops (7-8 inch diameter) at the loading arms. My new ATV is in the foreground and lower right. I am supposed to pick up my old one tomorrow. There are 2 -14' butt lots by the 4 wheeler and I still have 23' left off the one in front of the mill.
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Today's cut. I'll have to do a quick inventory to see how much more framing I need then I'll cut most of the larger logs into 7/8" X 6" or 8" sheeting. I suspect one more log might be all the framing I need. A lot of it is cut into 3' to 4' pieces. I like using the spruce because it is light weight and making the buildings allows me to sell the wood which is a slow mover for me.
If all goes as planned I will load up tomorrow for a 130+ mile trip up and back Wednesday to saw 12 logs. That promises to be a long day and my longest trip to date.
More rain today so Luke and I had another partial day sawing. :-X
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There are more 2X10X14' behind this so a bit over 2Mbf. We found one lightening struck tree today that was rotten when we started bucking so the customer will have to fall some more trees to make his cut list.
I got back in the saddle today. Well, I finished the 250 hour maintenance that I started 3 weeks ago. I will drain and change the hyd. fluid tomorrow, as I got the drain plug out. You can read about that can of worms here...........https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=41710.msg1831958#msg1831958
Post #31.
hugs, Brandi
Yesterday morning I went back to that split oak tree to try to salvage two good logs from it. First I cleared a path in for the tractor.
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then I cleared a space beyond the tree for the tractor to maneuver to pick up the logs.
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Then I cut two 8' logs off the butt end of the tree. When I cut through the top of the 2nd log the crack sprang open wider.
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I loaded the logs one at a time and transported them back to the barn yard.
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When these two logs are loaded on the mill I'll have to look them over carefully to figure the best way to saw them for the least amount of waste. As for the rest of that split stem, I have not decided whether to chunk it up for firewood or cut 8' half logs and see what lumber can be got from them.
It's too hot today. I'll go back up there after it cools down.
Happy logging.....Cutter
DanG! This is supposed to be in the Forestry and Logging section.
I have not sawn split halves other than a few over thick slabs that I took a couple cuts of of. Those split halves might be like quarter sawing if stood up. I am sure that there are sawyers on here who have split large logs and sawn that can respond about the experience.
As I suspected after sawing 4 logs this morning, the remainder of this customer's logs were rotten. He will be falling and skidding this weekend and I plan to return Tuesday.
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My power feed quit working this morning, but what could be wrong? smiley_headscratch
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Yup, setscrew backed out and the square key fell out. Luke found it will the stick/magnet and all is well.
Next we stopped by a repeat customer that called last week saying that he has more logs to be sawn.
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Did he say more logs?? :o That bottom center log is over 4'. Yikes!!
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Did he say more logs?? :o
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These were hiding to the left of the above picture. Yikes!! Now to be truthful, that center whack is pulp and not for sawing. This will be a 40-50 log job to be sawn into framing lumber. Looks like probably 15Mbf. ::)
Big White Oak, first log I hav
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e not been able to lift. So we gave it a little help.
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Luke and I did "uncover" a bit of fast excitement today.
IMG 0289 - YouTube (https://youtu.be/km0EC9wFJVE)
A Water Snake between the logs. :o It goes from left to right between "there it comes" and "there it goes". ;D
How big do those water snakes get there?
Sounds like you got the help of your grandson for the summer again, that's awesome, time well spent.
They will easily get 3'+ but this one probably was not much over 18". It was far from water but there were rats under the logs.
I cut some maple cookies the other day. I was excited for about 10 seconds and then highly disappointed. When fresh cut they we very pretty, but within seconds they started to turn slightly green and then within 4 minutes they were almost black in areas. I sanded one a little yesterday just to try to figure out what was going on. My thought was that some mineral in the ground had been being sucked up by the tree and then once cut it was exposed to air and quickly began to oxidize. Any thoughts on what caused this? And anything I can do or should I just let them dry as is? Would anchorseal cause any damage to them ya think? I normally anchorseal my cookies.
Below is a picture within seconds of cutting.
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This picture is after several minutes of being exposed to the air.
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This picture was taken the day I cut the cookies, about an hour after I finished. (I got 12 of these total).
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This is pre-sanding a day or two after cutting.
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And this is after sanding.
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Some dark blue staining, almost like metal stains, but no evidence of metal anywhere in this tree. So again, maybe "mineral metal" in the soil?
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More of the staining, these seem to be where the majority of the big green/black stains originated.
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Wow! A couple more jobs like this and I can go ahead and retire too. A guy drove about 90 miles each way to bring two 42" cherry logs. Half an hour on the mill, 6" X1" wide boards with the side flitches edged from 6-12 inches wide. I forgot to take pictures of the logs, just the finished lumber. About 70 bf or so I estimate.
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As far as I know this was my first Irish customer. Real nice guy and he seemed to really enjoy watching and photographing the process. I showed him around and he bought a bench and 3 birdhouses so turned out to be more profitable than I expected. We talked a bit and I showed him a snatch block and showed him how to use one with a cable or rope to move logs in the woods with an ATV or to load them on his trailer. He talked like his next stop would be at a Rural King to buy one. I am sure he will be back.
Burdman , Those cookies will be beautiful and unique when finished . The greenish staining is from Ambrosia beetles , the blue stain looks like metal is somewhere in the log . Did you run a metal detector over it?
@Poquo (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=45962) I dont have a metal detector. I cut 12 cookies from this stump though and didnt hit any metal at all, so maybe I just got lucky? How should I dry these? Do you think its ok to rough sand them then just anchorseal and sticker them?
Several years ago I talked to the owner of a tree/landscape company near my firehouse. I happened to be by his lot and mentioned to him that I'm always looking for logs to saw. He said he would let me know when he had something I might want. Of course I never heard from him til a few days ago. One of my trucks was over on his street for a call and he flagged them down and asked about the guy that wanted logs. I got the message and went over to see him. He had 2 walnut logs for me. Looks like they've been there a while. I guess he saved them for me and then never was able to get ahold of me. One log looks really nice. The other is smaller and more limby, but I will take any walnut for free. Plus they will load on my trailer with a skid steer.
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Been sawing cedar for the past week and caught my help laying down on the job.....again! I pay way above minimum bones. You would think he would at least act busy. :)
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Magicman - was that a Moccasin or just a plain old "water snake"?
Quote from: Larry on July 02, 2021, 10:18:39 PM
Been sawing cedar for the past week and caught my help laying down on the job.....again! I pay way above minimum bones. You would think he would at least act busy. :)
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Larry,
"Let a sleeping Dog...."; He looks dog tired!
Steve
Larry - have you seen how much money these "Influences" make for just having their photo taken with a product? He might be onto something for you. :D
Quote from: Southside on July 02, 2021, 10:24:05 PM
Magicman - was that a Moccasin or just a plain old "water snake"?
Just a water snake that didn't want to leave the logs. We also flushed out a few mice which was probably why it was there.
The customer is falling trees and skidding logs today and we will start back Tuesday. He called me earlier to verify the log lengths.
More spalted maple.
Its selling as fast as its sawn.
I have a bunch more logs.
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I turned around from the blade sharpener the other night and nearly bumped into a rat snake aka chicken snake crawling on one of my sawhorses. I let it be. The lights attract insects, which attract frogs from the pond just outside the barn. Copperheads, Cottonmouths and ratsnakes are everywhere here. And frogs. Lots of frogs.
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Now that's wavy lumber for sure!
How long is he? Looks like 5' maybe? Very pretty but still kinda creeps me out.
He is all wrinkled up because you aggravated him. They also put off a foul odor when hassled.
Lifted up a piece of tin in my yard today and a 3' garter snake came side winding out. :o
I think I prefer logging in winter, then I only has to watch out for the snow snakes. ;D
There's no snake like a snow snake!
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Well I had a great visit by another FF member today. WV Woodbuthcher brought me these 3 WO logs to cut in 3.5" squares and 1.5" X 3.5" framing with a few 1X6 boards on the side. They will be use as bases for deer stands/blinds. That's a great option to cut as you just cut a 3.5" cant then flip and square it and anything that won't square becomes a 1.5" board. we easily and quickly filled his cut list with plenty of extra. Not huge logs. These 3 10' logs returned 321 bf of lumber in 1.5 hours on the mill. Its great to have a customer who knows what he wants and enjoys watching the process and is a good mill hand to boot. I got side tracked by another customer coming up and did not get a finished lumber picture.
I had met the WV Woodbutcher at our flea market a couple of years ago but this is the first time I have been able to saw for him and show off the mill but I hope it won't be the last.
EDIT:
Oh yeah, I forgot to add, while I was packing up and covering the mill for the night the neighbors came down to check me out.
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This young doe came down about 40 yards away from me and equal distance to a slab pile I was burning. Neither seemed to bother her in the least and she just fed and meandered on her merry way. I am sure she has a fawn or two close by.
@Deese (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=23361) What you call a rat snake is not the same thing as they are here.
I don't recall him calling you a rat snake, but hey, if the shoe fits, wear it :D.
Quote from: WDH on July 03, 2021, 05:53:47 PM
He is all wrinkled up because you aggravated him. They also put off a foul odor when hassled.
WDH,
I put out a foul odor when I'm surprised by one!
Cut 415bf of cedar this afternoon. Made a bunch of 4x4s from some small stuff that I had piled up.
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I can do about 8 per hour sawing 6" logs into 4x4s. At $21 each that's well worth the effort.
@Southside (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=24297) most folks around here call them chicken snakes.
Quote from: Deese on July 04, 2021, 07:36:28 PM
@Southside (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=24297) most folks around here call them chicken snakes.
Chicken snake here too. But sometimes, when I catch them in the pen with the ducklings, they are Duck Snakes. think_not fudd-smiley
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: DPatton on July 04, 2021, 10:18:01 AM
Quote from: WDH on July 03, 2021, 05:53:47 PM
He is all wrinkled up because you aggravated him. They also put off a foul odor when hassled.
WDH,
I put out a foul odor when I'm surprised by one!
That's funny!
I'm building 3 sheds (one is actually a composting toilet) and I needed some more materials so I sawed a 23' top into 2-6' & 1-10' log today to get mostly framing and a few 3" wide battens.
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The small 6' log on the loading arms and the 16' log by the saw are what I sawed. They were too small to make good boards so I just made 2X4s out of them.
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About 113 bf total. Nothing great but enough to finish the framing of my sheds. Tomorrow I'll cut a couple of the larger logs for boards and battens.
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The nosy neighbor is back. She let me walk about 10 yards from her before she moved. She is about 25 yards away in this picture. This morning I got up to go to the flea market and she was in the pasture about 60 yards away. When she saw me she looked at the woods then trotted over there and I saw her and her spotted fawn walk out. We figure we've got at least 3-4 fawns in the pasture right now.
This is the last log I sawed, it just barely fit on the mill, and really kicked my butt.
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I had a lot of trouble rolling it after the first 2 cuts, I didn't get it quite square. I ended up chain slinging its and carefully lowering it to the bed.
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I did get a pretty good pile of boards, mostly 5/4.
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I think doing more will wait till it cools down, its too much work running it at 85+ degrees
I finished framing the last 2 walls on a composting toilet and built and hung the door then cut these 4 spruce 7' logs for B&B. Mostly I was cutting 8" and a few 6" boards and I'd get a few 3" wide battens off each log.
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I see I need to cut another tree to get a handful of boards and to get enough battens to finish the 3 sheds I'm working on.
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About 320 bf when I finished. The tall stacks have 12 boards each. I think there are 22 1/2" battens in the one stack. I had moved a few 6" battens over to the sheds where I will nail them up tomorrow.
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Framed sheds (2 are 4'X4' and one is 4'X8') in the background with some boards leaning on them. I'll pretty much finish the siding tomorrow.
My DOE inspector did not show up this afternoon. She was around earlier and may have checked things out while I was sawing and I did not see her.
23' long beams coming off the mill as we speak.
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Beam order filled, leftover 1x's edged, lengths broken down, stickered, banded, barrel fans running. Next is 200 syp 1x4x16 and 5 4x12x16 to be picked up tomorrow morning. A thunderstorm just passed through dropping the temp down to 71°.
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@WV Sawmiller (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=28064) I hope you don't mind me pointing out that your cant hook is a bit crooked...
Quote from: burdman_22 on July 06, 2021, 11:24:14 PM
@WV Sawmiller (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=28064) I hope you don't mind me pointing out that your cant hook is a bit crooked...
That's not crooked...............it's West Virginia straight! :D
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Bindian on July 07, 2021, 02:49:30 AM
Quote from: burdman_22 on July 06, 2021, 11:24:14 PM
@WV Sawmiller (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=28064) I hope you don't mind me pointing out that your cant hook is a bit crooked...
That's not crooked...............it's West Virginia straight! :D
hugs, Brandi
Touche
GAB
It's bend because it's the wrong color, suppose to be blue. Must be a knock off. :D
Jim Rogers
Slabbing some white oak. Going slow because I'm filming. T7's doing a great job. Nice and smooth.
24" white oak slabbing. - YouTube (https://youtu.be/R6Z_ckEGSIE)
Luke and are still sawing framing lumber for a new home. Here he is stacking 14' 2X10's and I saw him carrying two at the time yesterday. :o
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I used to could do that :).
I've determined that the reason I can no longer carry 16' 8x8s now, is because I used to carry them back then.
Sins of our youth..... ;)
"Got used too much when it was new." (Old saying). ;)
of course the guys that did not work that hard, never could carry that much. i have done it in moderation, and always surprise my fellow docs who come for a sawmill visit. It is half strength, and half technique and some would argue 100% stupid, but that is more than 100% so does not count. :) gotta learn to get in the middle and with things like plywood, even judge the orientation to the wind.
Well, I tried posting this reply 2 times last night when I returned from my longest distanced sawing job to date but I was so tired and sleepy and distraught over Brandi's cruel jibes about my beloved customized cant hook that I could not think straight and sent the responses into cyber space. >:( I will try again.
BTW to Jim - heavy duty LogRites are yellow, not blue. You need to order you a couple to confirm this.
Burdman - my custom cant hook story has been posted several times. Buy yourself one and send it to me and the next time I cut a 1600+ bf poplar I'll fix you one. The curve in in the direction of use and makes for fast and steady hook-up.
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I drove 138 miles up to Huntington to saw these "12" logs for a repeat customer who has a cabin near here. I told him I was going to send him back to remedial math classes. We sawed all but the 7 small WO logs in the front. The last thing sawed was the small but pretty walnut next to the wall.
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A front view of the trailer with most of the 1255 bf of lumber we sawed. The owners of the property are in the background. The husband is blowing the sawdust off my mill for my trip home and his wife is in the blue dress. They were very gracious hosts and super nice people. The customer is a neighbor and co-worker who lives just up the road from where the logs were located. Apparently they came from an ice storm in February.
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They were right in the back yard. Hottest day of the year and no shade and the tarps were a pain as a trip and slip hazard. Mostly oak, a little poplar, one smiley_devil that sneaked in there. We thought it was poplar till I made the first cut and we got that distinct hickory smell. They confirmed when they tried to lift the 5X5 inch post. A combination of 20"+ LE 8/4 slabs, 2X4s, 2X8s and lots of 3/4" boards for siding and shingles.
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Some craft pieces off one fork of on a WO. Had to trim down to level the log and get small enough to cut through and through into LE slabs.
It was a very long day. I left at 4:00 am and was reminded of OTR trucker woes as I saw all the spots in the rest areas were full and they were parked on the exit and entrance ramps. Not legal and they don't want to stay there but in the wee hours of the morning when you are completely exhausted and maybe out of hours to run and there is nothing else open at the truck stops or rest areas it is all you can do.
I met the customer just before 7:00 am after a 138 mile trip and we were set up and sawing by 7:30. They fed me lunch (Not the gourmet delights MM seems to get but nice and filling), water and such. We had to stop twice due to severe thunderstorms that passed through. I finished and left just after 8:00 pm (He may bring me the remaining small logs later on his next trip to his cabin on the Greenbrier River about 12 miles from my home). I got home after a trip to BK at the Teay's Valley exit after I called home and my wife told me to feed myself as she had had a hard day(??).
Since the MM has apparently completed Luke's off-bearer training we could sure have used him. I think MM needs to send him out this way. I have a 15 y/o gd up the road (Practically an old maid in WV) and maybe we can make a beneficial merger of sorts. :D
Now I just need to clean up the mill, put way my blades and tools and get back to building sheds and toilets.
Quote from: doc henderson on July 08, 2021, 10:54:05 AM
of course the guys that did not work that hard, never could carry that much. i have done it in moderation, and always surprise my fellow docs who come for a sawmill visit. It is half strength, and half technique and some would argue 100% stupid, but that is more than 100% so does not count. :) gotta learn to get in the middle and with things like plywood, even judge the orientation to the wind.
There’s definitely a lot of technique in there, leverage, using mobility/momentum etc. A lot of people just use there backs for picking stuff up. I couldn’t do that if I wanted to because my back is messed and that’s exactly how it happened(picking up heavy stuff only with lower back), now I’m forced to kneel down and use my legs, no pain but also you’re substantially stronger this way, because you’re doing a compound lift using all sorts of muscles, opposed just just lower back.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on July 08, 2021, 10:54:50 AM
Well, I tried posting this reply 2 times last night when I returned from my longest distanced sawing job to date but I was so tired and sleepy and distraught over Brandi's cruel jibes about my beloved customized cant hook that I could not think straight and sent the responses into cyber space. >:( I will try again.
Yep, blame the blond! Violin_smiley
hugs, Brandi
Brandi,
I heard a carload of women were traveling along a country road and spotted a blonde lady out in the middle of a plowed field rowing a boat. They stopped and the driver, another blonde, said "That's disgusting and just gives all of us blondes a bad name. I've got a good mind to swim out there a give her a piece of my mind!"
Luke and I finished our job this afternoon, and I even remembered to take a few pictures.
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16' 1X12's with the framing lumber in the background.
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Mostly 16' 2X10's. Previously sawn framing lumber in the far background on the right and also under the red roof.
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Another view. 2X4's & 2X10's.
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120, 14' 2X10's in the foreground. Total yield was 6208 bf. I could saw two different jobs tomorrow, but I made an executive decision and will be off. ;D
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on July 08, 2021, 02:55:37 PM
Brandi,
I heard a carload of women were traveling along a country road and spotted a blonde lady out in the middle of a plowed field rowing a boat. They stopped and the driver, another blonde, said "That's disgusting and just gives all of us blondes a bad name. I've got a good mind to swim out there a give her a piece of my mind!"
Howard,
Don't give up your day job.
hugs, Brandi
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2x8x12 poplar planks for a local customers float trailer
We finished a hot, miserable job yesterday where the logs were where they landed when the trees were cut down. The July heat kicked in at 10 AM. No equipment on site other than a chain and cant hook. Had to move the mill several times to accommodate logs. A lot of unexpected extra work and gator aid, but we lived and the wallet is happy.
Happy birthday! @Bindian (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=17364) Best regards and maybe a hug. Doc.
Quote from: doc henderson on July 09, 2021, 04:09:40 PM
Happy birthday! @Bindian (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=17364) Best regards and maybe a hug. Doc.
Doc,
You're a hoot and a half. Thanks and hugs are acceptable and/or accepted.
Quote from: Sixacresand on July 09, 2021, 11:46:37 AM
We finished a hot, miserable job yesterday where the logs were where they landed when the trees were cut down. The July heat kicked in at 10 AM. No equipment on site other than a chain and cant hook. Had to move the mill several times to accommodate logs. A lot of unexpected extra work and gator aid, but we lived and the wallet is happy.
Don't think I could do that any more. But as they say "what doesn't kill you will make you stronger". Congrats on surviving the day.
I'm trying to finish my shed/composting toilet project and needed a few 1/2" X 3" battens and few more 8" boards. I've been cutting my spruce boards 7/8" thick just because it is so simple to do the math on my simple set. I went up to cut one more tree and almost immediately got caught in a fawn stampede. One ran up to within 10' of me while I was on the 4 wheeler. I cut the tree and came back to the 4 wheeler and it came back again with 20'. I had left my camera in the barn below. One feature I noticed is it had what looks like a solid white long a foot long on its neck. I called my wife to see if she wanted to take pictures of them so she came out about the time I finished limbing and bucking the tree into 4- 14' logs. The smallest diameter at the top was down to about 8" since I was cutting battens.
Becky finally came out and got on the 4 wheeler with me and I took her up the hill with her screaming like a banshee every time I'd roll over a rock or limb or the hill would slope 2 degrees. Her balance was never great but she has gotten worse. Sure enough at the top trail the fawn and doe popped up. They had never been 100 yards from me the whole time. Becky got a picture or two and they went back the way we had come and she decided to walk rather than ride. I found the fawn bedded down 20 yards from the stump of the tree I had cut. I saw the doe again on the access road on the way back to the house. She cut across the yard, jumped down into the creek and circled in my lot in front of the house.
I had washed the mill, moved it back into the pasture and set it up for sawing. I had noticed the power feed hesitated in reverse the last time I used it and when I set it up so I pulled the cover to the belt and found it was a little loose so I tightened it and it seemed to work fine after that on the 4 small 7' logs I cut.
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2-14' spruce logs
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2 more, one already cut in half and the top is on the mill arms.
I sawed about 155 bf of battens and boards and have plenty to finish my shed projects. All the framing is done, sides are on 2 just waiting for the roofs and I may finish all 3 tomorrow if weather and my body holds out. I do still need to finish the toilet seat/box. I'll cut the other 2 - 14' logs in half and should have enough to nearly complete another shed. I'll have to recalculate before sawing.
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The stack on the right were previously cut the rest are from today.
Nice wack MM, Next time have your boy carry the lumber with the 1.1/2 face pointing to the sky. So the load is close to the body not hanging out away from him.
It will be easier on him when carrying green lumber far away from the mill. Nice job you two did.
Magic, nice job centering the pith on those beams (6x6s ?)
Quote from: Magicman on July 08, 2021, 09:23:45 PM
Luke and I finished our job this afternoon, and I even remembered to take a few pictures.
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16' 1X12's with the framing lumber in the background.
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Mostly 16' 2X10's. Previously sawn framing lumber in the far background on the right and also under the red roof.
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Another view. 2X4's & 2X10's.
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120, 14' 2X10's in the foreground. Total yield was 6208 bf. I could saw two different jobs tomorrow, but I made an executive decision and will be off. ;D
Lynn,
Please put me on Luke's tail gunner loan out list. I could use a good tail gunner!
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on July 09, 2021, 10:09:20 PM
I'm trying to finish my shed/composting toilet project and needed a few 1/2" X 3" battens and few more 8" boards. I've been cutting my spruce boards 7/8" thick just because it is so simple to do the math on my simple set. I went up to cut one more tree and almost immediately got caught in a fawn stampede. One ran up to within 10' of me while I was on the 4 wheeler. I cut the tree and came back to the 4 wheeler and it came back again with 20'. I had left my camera in the barn below. One feature I noticed is it had what looks like a solid white long a foot long on its neck. I called my wife to see if she wanted to take pictures of them so she came out about the time I finished limbing and bucking the tree into 4- 14' logs. The smallest diameter at the top was down to about 8" since I was cutting battens.
Becky finally came out and got on the 4 wheeler with me and I took her up the hill with her screaming like a banshee every time I'd roll over a rock or limb or the hill would slope 2 degrees. Her balance was never great but she has gotten worse. Sure enough at the top trail the fawn and doe popped up. They had never been 100 yards from me the whole time. Becky got a picture or two and they went back the way we had come and she decided to walk rather than ride. I found the fawn bedded down 20 yards from the stump of the tree I had cut. I saw the doe again on the access road on the way back to the house. She cut across the yard, jumped down into the creek and circled in my lot in front of the house.
I had washed the mill, moved it back into the pasture and set it up for sawing. I had noticed the power feed hesitated in reverse the last time I used it and when I set it up so I pulled the cover to the belt and found it was a little loose so I tightened it and it seemed to work fine after that on the 4 small 7' logs I cut.
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2-14' spruce logs
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2 more, one already cut in half and the top is on the mill arms.
I sawed about 155 bf of battens and boards and have plenty to finish my shed projects. All the framing is done, sides are on 2 just waiting for the roofs and I may finish all 3 tomorrow if weather and my body holds out. I do still need to finish the toilet seat/box. I'll cut the other 2 - 14' logs in half and should have enough to nearly complete another shed. I'll have to recalculate before sawing.
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The stack on the right were previously cut the rest are from today.
Howard,
You sure are cutting a lot of poop building boards! pc_smiley
hugs, Brandi
Brandi,
Actually one is a 4X8 shed, another is a 4X4 shed and the 3rd one is the 4X4 composting toilet. At this rate I will soon run out overaged Christmas trees to cut up for my spruce lumber.
BTW - I have first put in first dibs on Luke! I have even proposed a more permanent arrangement/merger. Now I just have to get the MM and my gd to agree. :D
Y'all leave Luke alone. Da last thang I need is fer him to git messed up with wimmen!!
I am quite certain Luke doesn't need any help from us. He has probably come up with his own ideas already. Ya can't keep'em down on the farm forever MM. ;D
Lynn,
Once Luke tasted Josie's cooking I think all your fears will be alleviated and he will be headed back to PawPaws for some red beans and rice, fried catfish, hush puppies, grits and a big old bowl of Blue Bunny Butter Pecan ice cream. ::)
A friend of mine here is from a family of woodworkers. I've convinced him to make a wooden rocking horse like he and his Mom built in my shop many years ago. When he said he was looking for a project I remembered this horse and still had a picture. The picture does not do it justice! The rockers are 8'6" long and the horse is 5'6" tall. 35 years ago I believe they were getting $10k for the black walnut horses. I'm not sure what the current price is.
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I had a customer that was supposed to bring some white oak logs to saw into trailer decking, but he couldn't make it. So instead I cit some cedar 4x4s and a couple of slabs.
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Quote from: Magicman on July 10, 2021, 03:56:09 PM
Y'all leave Luke alone. Da last thang I need is fer him to git messed up with wimmen!!
Now that's funny. I don't care who you are. Cooking will bring them in or chase them away for sure.
hugs, Brandi
Why do I keep thinking someone is going to end up with a goat out of this deal? :D
I told Josie about my plan and she seemed a little annoyed at me till I showed her Luke's photos on the site and the last I saw she had logged in to Amazon and ordered a cookbook and was looking though her US Geography book to find Mississippi. (I guess they missed that chapter because of the Pandemic last year.) There may be hope for my plans after all.
I got back sawing a couple of hours this afternoon. After a 50 hour inspection that had the mill in the barn 3 weeks, some welding on shrouds and replacing a drive belt along with laser eye surgery and food poisoning, I was ready to SAW!!!
I cut up a 12 foot 26 inch SYP into 1x6s for my friends storage building floor.
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I also added a new secret weapon while sawing. An Airborne Sawdust Remover!!! It worked GREAT.
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hugs, Brandi
Brandi,
Remember, this is a family site so don't be showing pictures of you sawing in a dress with that airplane blowing in the background. That would definitely blow your skirt up! :D
Nice looking material Brandi very well sawn ,nice square edges no wane I
don't get to see that around here unless I cut it myself, local mills leave a lot of wane.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on July 11, 2021, 10:02:18 PM
Brandi,
Remember, this is a family site so don't be showing pictures of you sawing in a dress with that airplane blowing in the background. That would definitely blow your skirt up! :D
Now, what possessed you to say that? Maybe you should stick to thinking about poop houses
Years ago, after the divorce, I would go out dancing every other Sat. night. Every now and then, I would wear a leather vest and leather mini skirt. When I got home, I would take off my go-go boots and slip on my rubber boots and head out to the barn to check my convalescing dog. No body ever got a photo of that, as I always came home alone. That is the closest a "dress" ever got to my barn or equipment. A friend once suggested I dress up in my formals and get on my tractor for photos, but we never did it.
hugs, Brandi
Brandi, good job sawing...nice looking boards.
Brandi,
That is also a blow-on-the-backside-air-conditioner.
Let me see - Blonde + Blower = Marilyn Monroe moment
Now let me go check on Jeff's pole dancing. This is getting to be a real happening site. :D
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on July 12, 2021, 12:45:15 PM
Let me see - Blonde + Blower = Marilyn Monroe moment
Now let me go check on Jeff's pole dancing. This is getting to be a real happening site. :D
Pole dancing = wrong direction. But I have danced on speakers before. I have even went to a Halloween party dressed as Marilyn Monroe.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: hacknchop on July 11, 2021, 10:55:20 PM
Nice looking material Brandi very well sawn ,nice square edges no wane I
don't get to see that around here unless I cut it myself, local mills leave a lot of wane.
Thanks. It's all in the packaging and presentation.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: cutterboy on July 12, 2021, 07:09:53 AM
Brandi, good job sawing...nice looking boards.
Thanks. Looks nice until you start stacking them and see the waves at the knots.
hugs, Brandi
Made a small dent in a customers pile this weekend and still lots to go! So far it was just 16' full dimension 2x6s, about 270 in total over the weekend. I know the piles are too wide, I told the customer that but he said he was probably going to move it anyway....
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All the logs to the left of the ash in the middle are 16 feet and 8 footers on the right, all white pine.
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Good looking lumber and stacks. I always ask the customer how long his forks are and try to make stacks to match. I don't like to ever stack over 4' wide if I can help it.
Good lookin' whack o logs. The customer's going to have a nice stack of lumber when you finish sawing all those. Is this lumber for a specific project?
That should keep you busy for a while. Do you only saw on the weekends? Those stacks of lumber do look nice but as you mentioned they are a bit wide.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on July 12, 2021, 09:09:31 PM
Good looking lumber and stacks. I always ask the customer how long his forks are and try to make stacks to match. I don't like to ever stack over 4' wide if I can help it.
Yeah thats why I cut all the stickers to 4' or so but that didnt stop him.
I do only saw on the weekends right now as I'm just starting out and still have a full time job so this will definitely keep me busy for a while. I know a lot of the wood is for a large pole barn or 3 sided shelter, this customer has a lot of equipment and toys. The 8 footers are going to be 1x something for his cabin.
When I first started, I figured that a 5' stack was more efficient because I could stack more bf given the stack height that I could physically handle. After I ruined a whole stack of valuable maple to gray stain due to poor air exchange between the too-wide layers, I amended the error of my ways.
I learned something else:
Quote from: Willski55811 on July 12, 2021, 05:44:46 PM
I know the piles are too wide, I told the customer that
but he said he was probably going to move it anyway....
The road to Hades is paved with good intentions :D. Many times my good intention were never realized. Better to never screw up something in the first place than to try to fix it later :).
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oink!
Was supposed to saw ponderosa today but can't because of the Bootleg fire. If only winter would come back! We are safe, but so many of our friends and neighbors are not.
Wish you all the best, I hope they can get it mopped up.
We've been working on more framing for the farmhouse job. We still needed a healthy whack of 2x12x20'ers and a bunch of studs and other framing. It took the dozer to get them down the hill which ended up really dirty bellies by the time I had gone up and over small whoop de doos dragging 20'ers on the way. So we got a pressure washer, i had an old shallow well pump and generator. We load up 2 drums of water in the morning and wash a few then chain up each log and thread 20' of log between the 18' uprights on the Lucas mill. With the Lull I can approach at an angle then play with the boom and tilt and well, I'm getting faster :D. It feels like swinging a wrecking ball in a china shop.
We did get the mill tucked in under some trees at least, by afternoon its in pretty good shade.
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Here is some curly cherry of ours.
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It was funny. The customer who bought it had other customers offering him money as he was loading it in his vehicle. He didn't sell it.
That is stunning curl. I can see why the guy wouldn't sell it.
Awesome.
Woe boy... smiley_bouncing_pinky
Thats sweet :)
Best curl I've ever seen by a long shot. Is that from Tennessee or local?
I'm on only 3 miles south of the Alabama/Tennessee border, and it is a local log, from a local logger, not too far away, but I'm not sure what direction.
I tried to capture it in the photo, but the curl was highly reflective and glowed in the sunlight at different angles. It was an eye catcher for sure.
It's called chaytoyancy.
I sawed a couple of cherry logs like that, date on the picture says 2007. Couldn't bring myself to sell any of it!!!! Still have a few boards and it ain't for sale!
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I could be a wood hoarder. :D :D :D You wanta sell your boards? :)
This was definitely chatoyant, but more so than a general description of reflectivity or glimmer. This was me playing with a new (at least to me, anyway) modified sawing pattern and achieving a more dramatic reflective look as a byproduct.
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This was basically a quartersawn board, but was done using a modified vertical grain sawing technique with which I've been experimenting. It's primary purpose is to achieve very flat boards when dried, while not reducing sawing yield or speed using conventional quartersawing or rift sawing techniques. As a side benefit, it also generates a more dramatic linearly contrasting appearance, and even reduces the apparent size of knots in a board by reducing their aspect ratio. These boards are not true quartersawn, but that's understandable, because I'm not truly quartersawing. However, it is generating a more highly reflective surface off the medullary rays. Basically a modified quartersawn curly cherry board with sparkle.
I did maybe 4MBF using this technique in cherry, and this is the first batch out of the kiln. I'm still playing with it, but so far the method had achieved spectacular results and very flat boards. It has a distinctly different look than flatsawn boards, and people's opinions of the final results may vary.
Remember this batch, below? Same technique which again results in a very dramatic pattern, much different than if the boards had been conventionally flatsawn. These boards came out of the kiln several weeks ago, and they were the flattest poplar boards I'd ever produced. Amazingly flat. We sold the entire pallet, except a few boards, in one weekend.
By the way, there are some new types of finishes in the market that preserve the colors of these types of wood, and is seeing more widespread use. It's not polyurethane.......
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This guitar body was also made with wood sawn using this technique. Notice the dramatic vertical grain striping and the reflective medullary rays which don't come out real well in the photo. Oh well. Anyway, I'm trying to optimize this technique for relatively low value wood species that are notoriously prone to not dry flat, or aren't worth the time and effort of true quarter sawing. We will see how it turns out, I'm still experimenting.
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any further explanation with pics? or is this for the next group meeting at customsawyers. :)
Phenomenal cherry, Robert. I've appreciated quartersawn cherry for a long time but that is special.
We were supposed to saw several monkey puzzle logs that a customer dropped off a few days ago and a pile of eucalyptus but...when I texted the customer last night to get an idea of what he wanted cut out of the monkey puzzle he started trying to sell me the logs. I offered less than what he wanted. He may get an opportunity to come load them back on his truck. The eucalyptus was coming from a tree guy to be halved with another customer but they won't be delivered until Monday.
We have a good sized water oak that we will quartersaw today and we will likely work our way through some other logs that have been hanging out here for too long (mostly live oak - I guess we wanted them to harden up so they would be challenging).
Quote from: caveman on July 17, 2021, 07:16:58 AM
Phenomenal cherry, Robert. I've appreciated quartersawn cherry for a long time but that is special.
We were supposed to saw several monkey puzzle logs that a customer dropped off a few days ago and a pile of eucalyptus but...when I texted the customer last night to get an idea of what he wanted cut out of the monkey puzzle he started trying to sell me the logs. I offered less than what he wanted. He may get an opportunity to come load them back on his truck. The eucalyptus was coming from a tree guy to be halved with another customer but they won't be delivered until Monday.
We have a good sized water oak that we will quartersaw today and we will likely work our way through some other logs that have been hanging out here for too long (mostly live oak - I guess we wanted them to harden up so they would be challenging).
I have recently sawn a few small live oak logs from a storm at Orange Beach, Alabama and can honestly say that it is the hardest wood I've sawn yet. The sawdust is more like saw powder, but cuts flat and actually is less aggravating than pine.
KenMac, my experience has been that some saws pretty well and other will have you question your mill, your blades and your ability as a sawyer.
We did not get to any of our live oak today. I guess it will petrify some more. We did decide to slab all of the water oak that we sawed today instead of quartersawing it. That was likely a good choice due to the growth rate and the pith in this particular log.
Our blade had a tooth that got knocked out of set but it was sawing flat so we kept using it. We got 12, 2.5" slabs out of this log and we also sawed a couple of others.
I put the picture of the beetles making more wood borers for those who appreciate that type of thing.
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:o :o :o :o
Water oak gets a bad rap, but it can be stunningly beautiful. Just like yourn.
No pictures but got to saw some @YellowHammer (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=11488) veneer grade White Oak today for a special project. I don't get the pleasure of sawing logs like that often, Dang yellow pine. Even my crew was like "What is this sorcery and why don't we do more of it?"
My in laws lived at Orange Beach, well, its been years ago now. I still miss going out and picking breakfast off one of the trees in the yard on the way to the boat to go catch dinner. A body could get used to that :D.
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I had these 4 small 7' long Norway spruce left to saw after my last "pooh house" project so I decided to just saw them into boards and any battens I could salvage for stock for future needs. I started yesterday afternoon late and sawed the log on the loading arms and was working on the one behind it. About halfway through the second log an inconsiderate thunderstorm came through and thoroughly soaked me so I went out this afternoon and finished them.
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Total yield 32- 8" wide boards, 10-6" wide boards and 12 - 3" wide battens for about 205 bf. I got them all stacked and stickered under my shed just before dark. This, with what I had left over, will nearly cover 2 more composting toilets. I'll need more framing when the time comes. I may even salvage a few more 2X4s and such out of the top of the tree still left up in the pasture. I'll check that later this week and salvage all I can.
EDIT: I did check the spruce top today and cut 14' more off it and got a whopping 3 more 7' 2X4s and I cut 2 more 4' 2X4s off a short piece laying in the yard (You can see it in the background of the first picture). Not much but will that completely frame in one end or one side of my next composting toilet. I found a feed problem and repaired it by replacing the worn belt which is good it happened today instead of tomorrow morning when my customer brings me his cherry log from 70 miles away for me to saw.
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A new customer called a few days ago and brought this beautiful 9' long cherry log by today. It had been cut 7 years and up on dunnage outside so there was some punky sapwood but the heartwood was beautiful!
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He decided he wanted it cut 2" thick and 5.5" wide so I slabbed to solid wood then cut 2" flitches off both sides leaving a 5.5" cant in the middle, rotate it 90* and cut boards. I cut the cant down to 4-1/8" and before making that final cut I stood the flitches up and edged against it. Before I edged the first flitch I shut the mill off and took him over and showed him my live edge benches and told him that was an option and if he wanted some we needed to set a slab or two aside. He liked that option and selected one slab for a possible bench or two in the future. He said he appreciated me stopping and doing that rather than just rushing through the job. Final yield 150 bf with.6 engine hours and that was individually edging the flitches for maximum return rather than a fast gang edging of all at one time. Had a great visit, cut up a very pretty log, got some really nice lumber, made a new friend, got a very good tip and a promise he will be back with his son and wife.
It's been too wet for me and my customers but I did finally move to one this morning after asking the customer last night whether it would be dry enough.
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Yup still wet so the truck and sawmill got a tow to the sawing location. I am sure that we will tow the sawmill out with the tractor rather than the truck. Wet....wet. :-X
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Sawmill set up without the operator's seat to saw the four 20' logs first. Plenty of room for the slabs to the left and the lumber will be stickered off of the back. I had sawn ~2Mbf of 2X6's when my power feed belt croaked and what I thought was a spare was too long. I now have two new A-36's so I will be back to sawing tomorrow morning. Hopefully I can finish this job tomorrow and then catch 2 piddling jobs before Saturday's job.
I don't cut live edge slabs...
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but I do occasionally forget to cut the last flitch into lumber. :D
Most days it's well over 100°F up there close to the roof, and every so often we have to turn it over because it will cup to the top, though it's pretty much stable now and not moving around much at all. By the end of the year imma call this one done, and put the next big thing in it's place. It'll end up darker than the original green sawn pictures, deep russet brown with yellow/red flashing in the fiddleback.
240" x 50-52" x 3".... make a nice little table for somebody's 22 closest friends. All of whom will be needed to help carry it into the house because dry the thing should weigh about 1100lb
A couple of hours in the morning will finish this job.
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That is a 26" butt log on the sawmill and two pecker poles and this one will be history. I haven't done a tally yet but 14 hours of sawing and ~3Mbf+ of framing lumber for the customer's new home.
Those are my 3 tailgunners on the lumber whack and they have done a terrific job.
Another "saws um and leaves um" job has been finished and is in my tail lights. ;D
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Loaded up, hooked up, and ready to leave. move_it
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And just in time because the slab & sawdust pile had gotten to the sawmill. :D
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And leaving 3820bf of 2X4's, 2X6's & 2X12's. Sixteen hours of sawing.
Looking good MM.
We were sawing dimensional pine 2x6's and 1x6's for a friend and former co-worker this morning when John got his pointer finger smooshed. He had to go get it stitched, came back and worked the rest of the day, evidently proclaiming he was number 1 or else he had a cartoon finger that felt better if it was held above his heart. I finished up the pine job and actually bought my very first logs from a guy who dropped off some Monkey Puzzle for us to saw last week.
It turned out nice and we ended up with 19, 2 1/2" slabs and five 1 5/8" slabs.
Another customer dropped off some eucalyptus and cedar that we will saw on halves sometime soon. The eucalyptus is something we've not sawn before, it is checking a lot, and may present a challenge. I'll get the customer over here sometime soon and we'll figure out how to saw it.
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John is standing by the eucalyptus for scale. This was before he smooshed his finger, got it stitched and the metal thing wrapped with coflex.
Which eucalyptus is it? There's about 600 species with a lot of variation in characteristics between them. But Ive been cutting eucalypts of one kind or another for a long time
The only one that I have eliminated is rainbow eucalyptus. We've been sawing for a while on a part time basis and have never cut any of this. If nothing else, it will be a learning experience. The customer want live edged slabs and I intended to saw them at 2 1/2" thick to leave enough room for flattening them if they misbehave while giving up their moisture.
I put another one in my taillights today.
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I started with this 43" Willow Oak.
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Does this butt make my butt look small? It took over 2 hours to saw this one. It had to be scooted over to clear the blade guide arm plus it took both the claw and log clamp working together to turn it.
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My customers were pleased with these bookmatched one live edge slabs. This was only a 744bf job so "minimum" of 1Mbf billed.
Who wants to spend a hot summer day in an air conditioned house when they can be sawing walnut all day? And tomorrow and the next day! :)
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Larry,
I know you had better luck than I did with walnut. I had a customer I met at the flea market last weekend call and wanted to bring me a couple of walnut logs. His timing was perfect, the sun was just getting behind the mountain so I told him come on over. He pulled up in a Suburban towing a utility trailer an hour later. I had everything waiting for him so he pulled in and he showed me a wire in one he said he could not get out. I looked and pointed out a second one 2 feet further down. I tried with drill, chisel and chainsaw but could not find an end so we cut 3' off. I should have cut off the other 7'. I sawed the first log them the butt log got a couple of 2" flitches then hit a nail, then another and when I turned it on edge and tried to edge it off I hit 2 more. One looked like a 4 gauge wire running completely through the log. I got about 95 bf finished 8/4 lumber and tore up 3 blades trying to cut the rest. The customer was a real nice guy and I felt guilt but I had warned him and he understood and readily paid even though 3/4 of his cost were blades. I wish we could have gotten more useable wood but you cut what the log will provide.
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7' butt log on the mill. 3' already cut off at upper right of the picture. Boards from first log on the trailer and customer talking to my wife. Both are retired teachers so plenty in common to talk about. About 2/3 of this butt log was scrapped by the time we gave up on it.
This tree came from along the banks of the Greenbrier River at his campground and evidently campers had been using it for clotheslines and hanging lanterns on and such for many years.
While my wife and customer were standing there talking a doe and fawn walked out of the woods and across the pasture 40-50 yards above us. That is typical around here.
I am loading and getting everything ready for my scheduled next week's 106 mile road trip to finish the Longleaf Pine job that I had to pull off of on June 7th. LINK (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=113386.msg1827093#msg1827093) There is a 30%-50% rain forecast for each day, but we are hoping for a break in the weather and we can finish this job. The customer's "college help" tailgunners will soon have to go back to school so we gotta git-r-done.
Finishing this job is my last planned road trip job. My future plans are if a job is over ~50 miles it will have to be for a repeat customer.
Good luck with the local work. all the best to you
I am booked solid for the rest of the year so I am enjoying the thought of not having to schedule the overnight stuff.
I very seriously considered a business buyout offer which would have included both the sawmill and the website, but for now I'll continue to pick and choose my sawing jobs plus take some time off.
Quote from: Magicman on July 29, 2021, 07:47:37 AM
I am booked solid for the rest of the year so I am enjoying the thought of not having to schedule the overnight stuff.
I very seriously considered a business buyout offer which would have included both the sawmill and the website, but for now I'll continue to pick and choose my sawing jobs plus take some time off.
I remember not too long ago you said you were cutting back, you're in your 70s and still at er so I take it you aren't one to sit idle, keeping the business I think is great because if you set it down I believe you would be itching to do something and may be bored lol
I turned down a 70 mile away job today. Eighteen 50' SYP logs which would have produced probably 60+ framing lumber logs. I did not build my business by turning down jobs so this is a sorta strange feeling for me. I did treat myself to having this entire week off, but I have been steadily getting ready for next week.
Landowners are in a jam with SYP trees over 26" DBH because the sawmills will not take them. They can't sell them so the alternative is to have them sawn into usable lumber.
My working hours when its this hot are usually 9am, I'm a early riser :D, to 11:30 or so.
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467 board foot of 5/4 and another 60 of 8/4 in behind.
We had a recent thread about production so I took a picture. My first and second face were rough. On the first face I took a waste slab and a flitch. Turned to the second face and took a waste slab which I dragged back and dropped on the deck as pictured. It might of had a 4" board in it with solid sapwood on on side. Not worth chasing. In the picture I now have a decision to make. I can take a flitch which will need edging. Remember this face is rough so at best it would be 1C. I rotated to my third face which was clear and sawed FAS.
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I'm turning with the two plane clamp, the log turner is way to slow on this size of log.
I love sawing grade as its a mind game.
Loaded up this pig - 26 SE, 30 butt end, 33' long. Took all the SkyTrak had to lift one end at a time. Probably an hour to move it 50' from my "log yard" on to the mill, one end at a time. Once I got it on, I noticed the back right side sunk about 2 inches. Had to lift that end and jack up the bed.
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Opened the top to 16" and should yield a 10x16 beam FOH. Flipped it and opened to 10" and sliced it down another 8" so it should yield a 8x10 that will be cut into two 15' posts. That will happen on Saturday.
Quote from: Magicman on July 29, 2021, 07:35:59 PM
I turned down a 70 mile away job today. Eighteen 50' SYP logs which would have produced probably 60+ framing lumber logs. I did not build my business by turning down jobs so this is a sorta strange feeling for me. I did treat myself to having this entire week off, but I have been steadily getting ready for next week.
Landowners are in a jam with SYP trees over 26" DBH because the sawmills will not take them. They can't sell them so the alternative is to have them sawn into usable lumber.
That is how I get my SYP. But down here, the big local mills won't take anything over 20 inches. So I go pick up the big trees cut to the length I want. Closest big log mill is about 2 hour drive from here. When I had my eye retina hold fixed with a laser, they hauled the big logs to the burn pit with the tops.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: ljohnsaw on July 30, 2021, 01:05:18 AMOpened the top to 16" and should yield a 10x16 beam
Good job John and without question that 'big stuff' earns it's keep.
Quote from: Magicman on July 29, 2021, 07:35:59 PM
Landowners are in a jam with SYP trees over 26" DBH because the sawmills will not take them. They can't sell them so the alternative is to have them sawn into usable lumber.
Call Jake. He takes them ;D.
And I also saws um. Next week I am scheduled to finish sawing ~30 Longleaf Pine logs that are in the 30" range. Most are 18' logs and all will be sawn into dimensional framing lumber so the production will be high.
I am told that it is not the sawmill itself, but the debarker that will not handle over 26". To avoid any log getting hung up and jamming the debarker they frown on anything over 24" and as Bindian said above, some won't even take 24".
This is all good for the portable sawyer such as myself, but apparently no one wants to work?? ::)
These whacks will be waiting for me back home after I finish next week:
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That center log on the bottom is ~45".
The two pictures below is the same customer with two whacks to be sawn with pulp logs between.
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The logs on the left. (Pulp on the right will not be sawn.)
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The logs on the right. (Pulp on the left will not be sawn.)
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This will actually be the first job to saw when I get back home. Twenty six 16' logs.
These are only the saw jobs that I have actually seen and don't include a half dozen others. Soooo, as you can easily see, da ole man is loaded up without traveling. ::)
Welp, my 106 mile customer is still having skidsteer problems so .....
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I'll go to this one Monday morning.
30" long leaf, 8). Can't wait to see that flooring you will turn into framing lumber.
Yup, there was no 1", 4/4, etc. on the cut list.
I wish we had that big longleaf problem here!
I'll be needing to source some nice fairly tight period looking heart pine flooring probably next year if the budget on this job holds up.
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And these are really nice logs with ~1/16" to 1/8" evenly spaced growth rings. Yes rift/QS would make very nice flooring but it will all be framing lumber.
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This would be random/rift sawn with no thought toward the growth ring orientation.
Sawed 520' of cedar this morning.
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some of the nicest cedar logs I've ever cut. Scaled 390' international and sawed 520.
Finally have the means to add something here. This is a milestone for me as this is the first thing I have milled. Lots more to come in the future.
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Just for a deer stand but feels good to produce usable lumber
smiley_clapping Yes Sir. Your accomplishment it very significant and Welcome to the "Whatcha Sawin" Board. thumbs-up
Quote from: HemlockKing on August 02, 2021, 09:24:07 AM
........Just for a deer stand but feels good to produce usable lumber
Yes it does, doesn't it? :) Looking good man!
That's right! It's the start of something great! The chainsaw milling will make me appreciate a bandsaw mill all the more when I finally get mine in a year.
Quote from: ljohnsaw on July 30, 2021, 01:05:18 AM
Loaded up this pig - 26 SE, 30 butt end, 33' long. Took all the SkyTrak had to lift one end at a time. Probably an hour to move it 50' from my "log yard" on to the mill, one end at a time. Once I got it on, I noticed the back right side sunk about 2 inches. Had to lift that end and jack up the bed.
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Opened the top to 16" and should yield a 10x16 beam FOH. Flipped it and opened to 10" and sliced it down another 8" so it should yield a 8x10 that will be cut into two 15' posts. That will happen on Saturday.
Didn't get a picture (maybe Tuesday) but I got one 10x16x26' beam, one 8x10x12' and one 8x10x15' posts and 30(thirty) 4x6x8' brace stock/girts that totaled 993 bd-ft, all FOH. I gave up for the day but still had a 8x20x6' chunk to mill out some shorter brace stock. I captured the heart in a 25' 3x16 that I cut down to three 8' boards. If they don't split or cup too bad, maybe make some benches from them? Cut and stacked the slab wood and made a pallet of firewood about 4'x5'x6'. Not bad from one log.
One log today. This one. 8-1/2x40" hard maple.
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More beams this week all white pine 6x12x20 , 6x12x18 ,6x8x16 , 6x8x12 , 4x6x12 and 4x6x10 for one job .
6x6x18 and 6x6x8 for another
Cut the 18' and 20' logs off the lot behind the mill with the gravel pits. Nice straight logs.
I'm becoming a better Sawyer every day.
I bundle the beams and cover them for transport.
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Nice looking pine Bruno. Are you centering the heart?
Bruno, looks good.
Quote from: 69bronco on August 05, 2021, 06:48:18 AM
Nice looking pine Bruno. Are you centering the heart?
Yes I'm centering the heart.
I loaded up yesterday and left about 5:50 am for a job that turned out to be 70 miles away. I passed deer all morning including one large buck munching on the side of the road 10' from where I passed him. I saw does and fawns all day everywhere I went. Lots of rabbits on the winding back road typical in rural WV. One paved lane in the center and half a lane of gravel on either side so when you meet someone you just hang the right wheel in the gravel and keep on going.
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Mostly the customer wanted 7" square posts, 5.5" square posts and some 4X8 beams for a pole barn. Not a lot of cuts but thick gritty bark and very hard wood. When done with that I sawed a 7' walnut log, a couple of cherry logs and one locust into live edge slabs. I kept having a feed problem where something was binding and kept tripping off the breaker. I finished but will try loosening the chain tomorrow to see if that helps or increases the problem. My next step if that does not work is replace the chain I guess. I am worried it may have been damaged on my cabin log project a couple months ago.
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We probably should not have put that last beam on that trailer. I did not get other pictures as the customer moved the wood into several different piles as we cut it. We finished and tally and collected about 6:00 pm and I was home by 8:00 after a quick stop to fuel up and at Lowes to get a bottle of wood glue for bench making. The customer ran an excavator all day and he had a very good helper for me. Other than the feed problem, it was a very good day with about 5.7 hours on the mill 1369 bf of lumber and a happy client. Because of the heavy wood the helper parker the trailer or tractor forks close to the end of the mill and I'd lift it on the toeboards and he'd roll then slide them on and never lifted any of the big cuts.
WV Sawmiller, Sounds like you had a blessed day and a beautiful ride on the way to work. Glad your day was a Good one. That is one reason I travel the back roads as much as I can when going to saw places. Scenery is always better and you can take your time and just enjoy the ride instead of the hustle and bustle on any 4 lane hwy.
Sorry that I don't have any pictures to show but I sawed Friday and Saturday for a repeat customer who had the most different species I have sawed at one job site. 11 in all, Hickory, Oak, Sassafras, Persimmon, Cedar, Basswood, Cottonwood, Black Walnut, Cherry, Ash, and Cypress. Have to go back Wednesday of next week and I think I heard him say he might even have a Mulberry log or two.
5742 bf so far. Mostly 4/4 and 5/4 some live edge and some dimensional and about as many different lengths as he had different log species. 7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14, and 16 ft. Mostly 8 to 12 ft. He has a woodworking shop and likes to have a lot of different wood to work with. His wife is all into the wood stuff so makes it nice for him :).
WV Sawmiller I just now noticed the four wheeler in that last picture. I think he might have to use four wheel drive just a little bit if he is going to move that very far.
Yeah, he had a block of wood under the trailer as we loaded it so it stayed upright. The beams extended 4-5 ft past the end of the trailer. The helper and I had to stand/sit on the tongue for him to move it 25-30 ft so we could load the next cut on to the tractor forks.
I did two small travel jobs this weekend. Saturday I traveled 38 miles to a rural location outside Malcom Ne. The setup is a familiar one for me as the client is a regular repeat customer.
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The customer typically has me saw 5/4" live edged walnut for his online charcuterie board business. On occasion I also saw a little cedar, mulberry, elm, or whatever bonus logs he has at the time.
A few short walnut logs.
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The bonus logs today produced some of the elm boards below.
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The client had a couple of new helpers to handle and clean the boards as they come off the mill.
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Yep! That's right folks. :o :o You saw it right here on the FF. Purple and green hair :D :D. In the past I have never had tail gunners around the mill with purple or green hair. They are students from the theater dept. at UNL. These two were awesome workers and are two of the best helpers I've had around the sawmill in some time. Anyone willing to work as hard as these two can have whatever hair color they DanG well choose. ;)
The final product below will be hauled up to the clients storage building where it will be stacked and stickered to dry.
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Sunday mornings saw job was in Lincoln Ne. just a short 16 miles from home. The client had his tree service take down a dead tree from the back yard and move the logs up front next to the driveway so I could access them with the TimberKing.
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This job consisted of just 6 logs of various size, shape, and length. The job fell within my minimum 3 hour travel charge and almost filled that 3 hour time slot. I failed to take many product photos from this setup. All to often I'm focused on making sure I'm producing the most bang for the buck and forget to snap a few more pics.
The client is a home builder and had me saw 5/4" boards out of his best lumber logs. Below is one of the better lumber logs being milled into a stack of 5/4" boards.
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We also cut a variety of live edged slabs at 5/4" thickness and 2 1/4" thickness along with two fireplace mantles at 4 1/4" thick by 10"+ deep with one live edge each.
Thats all for this weekend. Thanks for looking!
JohnM and I were well on our way to finishing our 4800' order for 1x6's that we started yesterday this morning when we had a diesel leak. I first noticed the blade continued to move long after it normally would stop. The brake was well lubricated with offroad diesel. Then we attempted to determine if it was from the supply line from the tank to the engine, the return line to the tank or our auxiliary line run from our diesel lube tank. After pulling off all of the sheet metal to expose the leak, we were not able to determine the source so we decided to replace all three lines. Three stores, TSC, AutoZone, and Advance Auto Parts and we had what we needed. The fix was successful. After all of this, the return line to the tank had a hole worn in from vibrating on a bolt. We secured the lines away from the bolt and hopefully we will not have to deal with this again.
We may have to saw one evening this week to complete the order. Next weekend we have a good pile of eucalyptus and cedar to saw. I know it is hot other places but...it was pretty DANG warm here today- no frost danger for a few days. I regret not being in Michigan this weekend.
X2, Had to take call so a next weekend present to the wife would work out...
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I set this dead ash log up to saw yesterday as a test for my power feed problem but a storm came up and I could not saw it till today. It yielded 198 bf of 4/4 boards. Ten were 16" wide, five were 12" a 10" and an 8".
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Finished boards waiting on sawhorses
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Slabs on the forks go straight to the slab pile. Thanks to Richiway for that tip. It is working well.
My power feed problem remains so I'll post that separate and see if anyone has troubleshooting suggestions.
Today 2589 BF (intl log scale) random width 1-1/8" red oak.
Est 2900 if boards were measured but there was no edging of boards, just 4 waste slabs per log, so I charged log scale.
21 logs mostly 12-13 ft up to 19" diameter.
Arrived 7:30 am, ready to pull out at 3:00 pm.
55 miles each way.
2-3 helpers pulled all the wood and scraps off the back of the mill.
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There is a whack of stickering to be done.
It is a shame that it wasn't stickered right off the saw. I usually try to make suggestions to help my clients reduce the number of times they are going to handle the logs, slabs, and lumber but it often falls on deaf ears. Definitely a nice whack of boards.
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10' ash log waiting to be milled
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small crooked 10' ash log on the loading arms
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Cant with 5 more boards to saw and 3 flitches for edging when the mill died.
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Finished 1" boards. 14" on the right, 6" on the left a couple of 12" in the middle.
I wanted to test my feed system repairs. Started okay but still a little jerky feeling. Then after 1 hour on the engine the feed started making noises and jumping. I shut it down and found feed motor too hot to touch. I assume that is part of the problem.
Sorry it didn't go better for you, Howard. You'll get it worked out soon enough. It's better to deal with those issues at home. Eventually we may take our circus on the road but it is nice to have the mill under cover and at home when stuff goes awry. Even with the best equipment made, when milling lumber one has to work on stuff regularly. Good luck with your repair.
I'm still waiting on my motor and drum switch from WM which look like will arrive tomorrow from 2 of their sites so no sawing today. I did make another carrier to put the belts and spares in. I have been sticking them in with the blades. This is a much smaller version of the case I use for my bands but is the same design. I'll still add 2 ropes at the top to close and carry them.
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I just used some walnut stickers I had left over and the sides are from a 12" wide 1/4" trim cut I made on an ash log a couple days ago. It was too pretty to trash so I stickered weighted and saved it.
My power feed was never smooth from new so I took a guess and changed the speed switch. Never worked better.
So hey everyone. 2020 was a complete gong show and dirty rotten in every way for me.
Upside is that 2021 has shaped up well. I'm managing the rebuild of a major sawmill, and things are flying along. Here's a couple of pics of the old machines getting yanked out to put the new sawline in. Given'r 169% before winter comes hard and fast
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Hot today but at least it was not raining so I had a very nice day sawing. Being under a huge Sawtooth Oak helped. That plus 4 excellent tailgunners. I never put my hand on a single board nor log.
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26 mostly SYP logs that were all good except the one on the bottom-center. I skimmed a few jacket 2X4 & 2X6's but the rest was junk.
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1939 bf of mostly framing lumber with a few 1X4's and 1X12's. Of course there were the 'customary' ERC logs that were sawn into 1".
Quote from: dustintheblood on August 13, 2021, 08:27:27 PM
So hey everyone. 2020 was a complete gong show and dirty rotten in every way for me.
Upside is that 2021 has shaped up well. I'm managing the rebuild of a major sawmill, and things are flying along. Here's a couple of pics of the old machines getting yanked out to put the new sawline in. Given'r 169% before winter comes hard and fast
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Glad to see a sawmill coming back. Keep the photos coming. How long before winter hits Y'all?
hugs, Brandi
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Was planning on sawing the rest of this log up when I had a good
Idea. Need a bench, one that ties into nature and don't stick out too much, I like to walk down here, would be nice to sit and enjoy. Here's the end result. Barely took 20 min fastest bench I've ever made lol
Nice bench. I see multiple people that would like one. It's on my todo list.
Quote from: kelLOGg on August 14, 2021, 05:14:52 PM
Nice bench. I see multiple people that would like one. It's on my todo list.
Thank you sir. The same as mine?
I like the bark on but I know it'll unfortunately fall off
Yes, the same as yours. Details of your seat-to-stump joinery would nice.
John and I finished up a job today, sold some quartersawn sycamore and beams for a timber frame build that the build was a little shy on. We also spent a few hours cleaning up around the mill. The load that was to go out today will be delayed a week due to the threat of a tropical storm. They customer's driver only works on Saturdays and he was apprehensive about making the trip up from Okeechobee today. I suspect next week's weather will be more eventful. I informed him that the wood would be moldy but he does not care about that.
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I also found an owl in a board that I was sawing last night.
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We still have a good bit of cedar, live oak and eucalyptus to saw.
Quote from: caveman on August 14, 2021, 06:37:40 PM
John and I finished up a job today, sold some quartersawn sycamore and beams for a timber frame build that the build was a little shy on. We also spent a few hours cleaning up around the mill. The load that was to go out today will be delayed a week due to the threat of a tropical storm. They customer's driver only works on Saturdays and he was apprehensive about making the trip up from Okeechobee today. I suspect next week's weather will be more eventful. I informed him that the wood would be moldy but he does not care about that.
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I also found an owl in a board that I was sawing last night.
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We still have a good bit of cedar, live oak and eucalyptus to saw.
I was seeing a lot of of different things in the boards I was cutting, Doctor cut back on my medication and they disappeared. :)
HemlockKing, I like your bench. I have a couple of out of the way places I like to sit. I think your bench might be just the thing. Thanks for posting.
Love that bench. Have to have one.
14 years ago someone drove a nail in a cedar log and they put it exactly in and parallel to the kerf in the last cut of the last log I was sawing for a customer. Of course, I discovered it on my own ;D when I saw sparks, smoke and heard a loud screech. It was impeccable planning but with a circular saw I found the evidence perfectly placed. :o On the band every tooth (up, down and raker) were bent down but none broken. After lunch I will try to reset and sharpen and find out if there is residual steel left behind.
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Man, you hit that nail on the head, AND the shank! You get the prize for that one.
Haven't touched the mill for 3 months because I decided to make a change in the set up...Well I just finished pouring a concrete pad for the mill and raising the bunks to knee high. Finally caught up some loose ends (new drive belt, fixed a leak on lube tank and had it set up again.. So I grabbed a little junky red cedar just to see how it would cut.. Did fine made some 5/4 boards for trim, put another cedar log on that i knew had a bit of heart rot show ing on the stump end. Well that one blossomed into a full fledged termite and carpenter ant party in the middle 4 inches so it got well soaked with solubor and the really buggy part is fixing to be burnt really soon. Any surviving bugs will dehydrate quickly, cut 5/8" so it's getting a full sun air dry away from all the buildings. I will salvage some short pieces of live edge siding. So my first sawing session for 3 months wouldn't be a total bust I sawed a little 13" Hackberry that had been laying long enough. It was a bit spalted but turned out nice. It eventually will become shelves. Should have taken the picture the other direction because now all I see is the two big knots. Oh well. :) At least I got some sawing done...
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Hackberry makes some beautiful lumber but the spiral grain makes it a nightmare to dry flat unless quartersawn, and to quartersaw, you need big logs. Otherwise saw extra thick so you can flatten out the boards to your desired finished thickness.
Quote from: Old Greenhorn on August 17, 2021, 12:27:08 PM
Man, you hit that nail on the head, AND the shank! You get the prize for that one.
Hitting the nail on the head usually sounds good but not always 😳. All the teeth were "set" to about 0.020 on the same side and it was tricky and time consuming to reset properly -including the rakers. I turned the board around in case there was still steel in the board and finished the last cut-no more nails. Glad that's over.
Quote from: kelLOGg on August 14, 2021, 06:26:30 PM
Yes, the same as yours. Details of your seat-to-stump joinery would nice.
Kellog, all I did for the joinery was cut out a "step" on each round for the bench to sit on, also both side of the bench I cut the bottom ends flat parallel with top so they would sit flat on the step( as it was a half sawn long round bottom)
I quartersawed this white oak about 2 years ago. It dried unbelievably flat. Its been sitting in the kiln shed for a long time waiting to become flooring in my bedroom. I took it out and skip planed it all. I will store it in an extra part of my wife's office building until I'm ready to make flooring. I think that will be about 3 months. After planing this stuff I'm sure I need to saw more. This is amazing to look at and will be awesome in the floor.
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I have no pictures so if they're required as proof, then just consider this a dream. I was contacted off my CL ad yesterday by a lady purchasing agent at a coke producing plant in Birmingham, Al. She was in desperate need of oak lumber preferably 1 1/4 x 12" x12". She needed 50 of these, but was willing to take whatever I had and grade or appearance was no issue. It was to be used over new refractory brick in the floor of coke ovens to protect the new bricks. So this morning I loaded about 450 board feet of left overs and trimmings from 16' to 8' and random thicknesses and widths. It was, and will be in the future, a good way to sell low grade oak at a reasonably good price. They were thrilled to find a dependable vendor for this and apparently at a much better price than previously. It won't be a regularly scheduled deal, but will be profitable for me and a good deal for them. I like win-win deals!
I wanted to run a couple of test logs through my mill after working on my power feed issues so I grabbed these scrappy looking maples as a test. All are highly spalted and too small and knotty to make decent lumber so I just cut them into 8/4 LE slabs for benches.
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About 160 bf. 11 slabs from 8-11 feet long. I cut 3' off the 11' slabs so they'd all stack on an 8' pallet. The 3' are plenty long for most benches I will make unless I get a special order for anything longer.
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2 of the "logs"
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First "log". Lots of sweep and plenty spalted. The mill worked fine so I am confident the last issue I had was just a poorly set resharpened blade.
Well, now I just need to meet Ellmoe and Mrs. Ellmoe (Mark & Larissa) for dinner. They've been here all week and we have had a great time visiting with them. We were in drought conditions when they came but they brought the rain from Fla with them and it has rained every day and the river is up so high the boat landing is 3'-4' under water now.
Started a new job 50 miles from home today.
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Hard to tell exactly how long it will take as the logs are scattered out in the weeds. We did not really attack any of the biggest ones today as the customer's skid steer is acting a little wimpy and he's pushing and rolling as much as he's carrying them. We sawed ash, maple, walnut and even a little red cedar. Sawed some 4X4s 20' long. Lots of bow in them. I suggested he sticker with the bow up and stack plenty of heavy weight on them to see if he can help straighten them any.
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A pretty place to set up. I figure I can saw about one more day there then we either have to move the sawdust or the mill. It would not be hard to move the mill 6' up hill if it comes to that.
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A pile of scrappy cedar with some pretty, short splated 5/4 boards mixed in.
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A few pretty spalted maple boards.
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Ash and walnut. Mostly 5" & 8" 4/4 walnut for trim and up to 16' long (still waiting to be stacked). The ash is assorted widths 4/4 and mostly 13-14 ft long with 3 - 4"X 20' posts.
A slow hot day. After every log I'd drink half to a complete bottle of water or soda. I know the water is better for me but a cold cola or Mr. Dew sure hits to spot. Total around 1175 bf so not speed records were broken today. We stopped a little after 6:00 pm and really that was about the best time of the day to be working but no way to finish today anyway and my hiney was dragging. One good thing the mill worked fine so the feed system repairs seemed to solve the issue. 6.3 hours, 5.5 gallons of gas used. 2 blades for the day.
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The mill is well guarded tonight. Actually the customer asked me is I was interested in the mule and I did not say no yet. 7 y/o animal. A little bigger than Blackjack was. I think he'd be interested in trading for some sawing. Ummm? Decisions, decisions.
No shade trees.....price goes up 10 cents/bf. You have an umbrella?
I'll have to keep that in mind the next time I update my pricing. No umbrella and no ride-along seat either.
Quote from: Larry on August 23, 2021, 10:27:02 PM
No shade trees.....price goes up 10 cents/bf. You have an umbrella?
Really it just sucks working in the sun, can ruin a otherwise fun work day.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on August 23, 2021, 10:16:14 PM
Started a new job 50 miles from home today.
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Hard to tell exactly how long it will take as the logs are scattered out in the weeds. We did not really attack any of the biggest ones today as the customer's skid steer is acting a little wimpy and he's pushing and rolling as much as he's carrying them. We sawed ash, maple, walnut and even a little red cedar. Sawed some 4X4s 20' long. Lots of bow in them. I suggested he sticker with the bow up and stack plenty of heavy weight on them to see if he can help straighten them any.
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A pretty place to set up. I figure I can saw about one more day there then we either have to move the sawdust or the mill. It would not be hard to move the mill 6' up hill if it comes to that.
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A pile of scrappy cedar with some pretty, short splated 5/4 boards mixed in.
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A few pretty spalted maple boards.
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Ash and walnut. Mostly 5" & 8" 4/4 walnut for trim and up to 16' long (still waiting to be stacked). The ash is assorted widths 4/4 and mostly 13-14 ft long with 3 - 4"X 20' posts.
A slow hot day. After every log I'd drink half to a complete bottle of water or soda. I know the water is better for me but a cold cola or Mr. Dew sure hits to spot. Total around 1175 bf so not speed records were broken today. We stopped a little after 6:00 pm and really that was about the best time of the day to be working but no way to finish today anyway and my hiney was dragging. One good thing the mill worked fine so the feed system repairs seemed to solve the issue. 6.3 hours, 5.5 gallons of gas used. 2 blades for the day.
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The mill is well guarded tonight. Actually the customer asked me is I was interested in the mule and I did not say no yet. 7 y/o animal. A little bigger than Blackjack was. I think he'd be interested in trading for some sawing. Ummm? Decisions, decisions.
Get the mule! You know you want to! By the way, that really is a beautiful scenery to setup and work.
Mule looks like it has a bum foot.
Leave the mule. Take the cash. Cash, you don't have feed it, doctor it, spray for flies, worm it, maintain a fence for it, trim its hooves, catch it when it gets out, etc
I went back today, fired up the mill, made 2 cuts on a small walnut, flipped the log and the mill died. We checked various electrical connections and decided no power to the coil. I finally unloaded the cant and hooked up the mill, called my small engine guru and went by to see him and he said the RH coil was bad. None in stock at local Kholer dealer so I ordered a new one which should be here tomorrow. They are generally very responsive about having and getting parts quickly. Hopefully it will get here and we can get it installed and that will fix the problem. I will say the air filter was an embarrassment. I need to be more diligent about cleaning that pre-filter. If that fixes the problem and the weather looks good I'll try to go back and finish up next week.
My wife did not seem too interested in the mule but she has not seen him. The man said he has used him in harness a little but never ridden him. Not that we would ever ride or work him.
Sawed some nice clear wide white pine boards today
Got (17) 1x20x10 , (2) 1x18x10 , (4) 1x13x10 and (6) 1x8x10 out of one nice log.
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Dang, Bruno. Those are nice. I hope that you are doing well. It is good to see folks cranking out good lumber. We are back to needing pine logs to saw.
Before and after pics. 20' Walnut. about 25" at the base. Cut 10" thick for a post in my house frame. Planed and belt sanded down to 150.
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Bruno, nice pine! I don't see much clear pine. That must have been a treat to saw.
Quote from: cutterboy on August 25, 2021, 07:16:25 AM
Bruno, nice pine! I don't see much clear pine. That must have been a treat to saw.
It was a nice break from the miles of framing lumber and barn siding of the last 2 years.
But back at it today 3x6,6x6,8x8 and more 2x4x8
Quote from: cutterboy on August 25, 2021, 07:16:25 AM
Bruno, nice pine! I don't see much clear pine. That must have been a treat to saw.
Very clear white pine. I noticed the lack of knots and pretty grain.
Just a wild guess, that Pine was the butt log and felled with a V notch. :D
Quote from: Resonator on August 25, 2021, 10:58:40 AM
Just a wild guess, that Pine was the butt log and felled with a V notch. :D
Story of most pine trees around here! Only maybe 1/5 is 1 stem/normal tree! Usually can get a good 8-12ft before it forks though
Quote from: Bruno of NH on August 24, 2021, 05:35:06 PM
Sawed some nice clear wide white pine boards today
Got (17) 1x20x10 , (2) 1x18x10 , (4) 1x13x10 and (6) 1x8x10 out of one nice log.
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I think he meant to say he planed some white pine today ;D
WOW! those ARE nice and smooth.
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Quote from: Bruno of NH on August 24, 2021, 05:35:06 PM
Sawed some nice clear wide white pine boards today
Got (17) 1x20x10 , (2) 1x18x10 , (4) 1x13x10 and (6) 1x8x10 out of one nice log.
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I think he meant to say he planed some white pine today ;D
WOW! those ARE nice and smooth.
Sawn with a Woodmizer silver tip turbo 7 1"1/2 × .055
Due to the HOT, we aren't working long hours but we are managing to gradually get this job's log sawn.
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This plus yesterday's sawing is 1474 bf of various 1" plus some 2X4's & 2X8's sawn in 6 hours.
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We will start back at 6:00 tomorrow morning on these (yes, the log on the right indicates metal)
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Plus this 20' monster that also indicates metal. That log is 46" at the butt. I guessed the weight at 8K lbs. and the weight indicator kinda says 8600 lbs.
The green paint is where we will buck it to 12' and bring the sawmill to the log. I told him that we would probably have to buck it back to 10' before I can load it. It is fresh felled so full weight.
This is the first time that I have ever sawn on the 'installment plan'. Starting early (6:00) and sawing until it gets hot, then knocking off and waiting until the next day. I have sawn 1843 bf of SYP and another 253 bf of Red Oak from one log in ~8 hours which is not much production but it has been too hot to care.
I'll go back in the morning and saw two Red Oak logs and then we will quit and wait for Hurricane Ida to pass. After Ida, we will tackle that huge Red Oak log seen above.
Lynn,
I, too, am sensitive to the heat and have pushed it too far already this season. I start in the mornings and when the heat index hits 100 (around 11 am today), the log on the mill is the last log of the day.
My customer is the one having heat trouble.
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I have an umbrella that I sit under while sawing and wear a 'pith' type helmet that has a helmet liner that keeps it away from my head and allows air circulation. I also have a half gallon jug of ice water that rides between my feet so that I can take swigs very often.
I'm not saying that the heat does not bother me because it does, but I am better off than my 72 year old customer/tailgunner. He is suffering. smiley_sun
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Always nice to get out of the sun,
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Always nice to get out of the sun,
The smartest thing I did was to build a pole barn for my mill. I would not do much sawing at all without it. Of course, I don't travel to saw but it keeps me in the shade.
Nice thing with the Super 70 is the optional A/C that is available. Mine didn't come with one, but I can add it on, need to do that.
SS,
I don't think you are going to want to add that A/C option on your 70. I understand they are not environmentally friendly and government regulations will be retroactively prohibiting in the near future plus sitting in the 72 degree climate and handling the 98 degree lumber being produced causes your hands to crack. A better option seems to be the new plug in moon suit that not only keeps you cool but also protects you from the sawdust, exposure to irritants like some sawdust and poison ivy and the elements allowing you to saw in the rain and snow. The original model took about 45 minutes to put on and take off and was causing problems with older sawyers with weak bladders and digestive systems but the newest models come with a trap door and free box of depends.
Quote from: Magicman on August 27, 2021, 02:19:11 PM
Starting early (6:00) and sawing until it gets hot, then knocking off and waiting until the next day.
I helped my Dad build houses and in the summer this was our schedule when he got older. Work 6:00 until 12:00 and decide if he could work any longer.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on August 28, 2021, 07:53:58 AM
SS,
I don't think you are going to want to add that A/C option on your 70. I understand they are not environmentally friendly and government regulations will be retroactively prohibiting in the near future plus sitting in the 72 degree climate and handling the 98 degree lumber being produced causes your hands to crack. A better option seems to be the new plug in moon suit that not only keeps you cool but also protects you from the sawdust, exposure to irritants like some sawdust and poison ivy and the elements allowing you to saw in the rain and snow. The original model took about 45 minutes to put on and take off and was causing problems with older sawyers with weak bladders and digestive systems but the newest models come with a trap door and free box of depends.
WV,
I think you have snorted too much sawdust.
hugs, Brandi
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We finished the Red Oak that was skidded to the top of the hill this morning (852 bf) of mostly 1X6's with a few 2X6's, etc. Total for this job so far is 2686 bf sawn only in the mornings.
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And yup as I told the customer, metal in the last log. Fence wire that cost him $45.
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The sawmill is now parked 'under the hill' at his largest log that measures 46" and also has metal. We will get to it after Hurricane Ida passes.
Quote from: Magicman on August 28, 2021, 04:32:15 PM
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We finished the Red Oak that was skidded to the top of the hill this morning (852 bf) of mostly 1X6's with a few 2X6's, etc. Total for this job so far is 2686 bf sawn only in the mornings.
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And yup as I told the customer, metal in the last log. Fence wire that cost him $45.
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The sawmill is now parked 'under the hill' at his largest log that measures 46" and also has metal. We will get to it after Hurricane Ida passes.
Best of luck MM, don’t forget to secure the bbq and deck furniture lol
Brandi,
Must have been the mixture of that spalted maple and the red cedar. :D
Lynn,
Stay safe and above the water level. I guess it is too late to suggest leaving that log on the mill to keep it from blowing away.
I was happy to finish sawing all of the logs on top of the hill and be able to move the sawmill to the bottom of the hill to that log as a precautionary measure.
We are on high ground here at home and also at the Cabin so no chance of flooding but we could be blown away. We have many trees that would reach our home; SYP, Red & White Oak. :-X
My son in law is at my house now. In the morning he is headed to Louisiana to deal with storm damage. He will likely be gone for two weeks. I asked him if he is taking a second pair of boots, boot dryer, bug dope and extra socks. Yes to all...not his first rodeo. I hope y'all come through this blow with minimal damage.
MM, are you charging $45 for a damaged blade now? I was sawing a do nothing job today for a repeat customer and on the last board I sawed into the clamp. It was almost low enough.
Doesn't MM saw by the hour, blade cost and down time probably add up to that.
Quote from: Magicman on August 28, 2021, 04:32:15 PMFence wire that cost him $45.
Quote from: caveman on August 28, 2021, 08:25:56 PMMM, are you charging $45 for a damaged blade now?
Yes, $45 for a metal strike in a customer's log.
In this instance I cautioned him several times that the log had metal and what it would cost. Fact is, the Oak lumber was much more valuable than the blade cost.
The huge log where the sawmill is parked.....
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has metal and I will buck ~4' off of the butt to try to get rid of the metal and also to reduce the 46" log size. :o
I almost always saw by the board foot rate and I do not charge the customer for incidental chainsaw trimming. Sawing ERC and timbers is generally hourly rate.
Cutting iron is always fun.
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And sometimes rocks.
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You may laugh about that "Moon Suit", but one of my Supplied Air rigs uses a 120v air conditioner for the air supply. Put the Tyvek hood skirt inside the collar of a Tyvek suit, and I expect that's about the same thing.
Taking the old paint off of an old house was done in the middle of the Summer with heat guns. I was going to be doing woodworking inside in the air conditioning, but when I asked the guys what they wanted to do that day, as we were driving to the job on what was going to be an extremely hot day, they said they'd remove paint.
Did that make you question their judgement?
An air conditioned suit, not having to do a lot of moving around, is not a bad place to spend a hot day, while getting paid.
This morning's sawing began here last week
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When my customer showed me this 46" butt Water Oak log that indicated metal.
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I parked the sawmill beside it Saturday, and we returned this morning.
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The first order of business was to 'jump butt' 5' from the butt and 3' from the top end leaving a nice 12' log.
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The log was sorta egg shaped and 36" on both the butt and top end. The weight calculator shows 5428 lbs. but that would be a log with taper. This log had none
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The Kubota rolled it onto the loading arms and I would take over from there. The Magic Hook is secured to the log clamp with no slack.
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And the loader & clamp working together loaded the log.
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So now let the 'gunbarreling' begin.
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And continue.
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Until I had three 6" cants for the saw through. Notice that the pith check runs horizontal with the boards.
The heat forced us to quit at 10:30 so we will return Friday to edge the flitches and saw his last log. It will be interesting to see how many board feet this log yielded.
Lots of riftsawn and quartersawn boards from the two outside cants.
It will all be wall paneling.
The 'other' Oak log that we will saw Friday was brought down by Hurricane Ida, otherwise this big log would have put this job in the books.
It is forecast to be cooler beginning Friday (high 80's) so maybe this half day sawing will end.
Mr Lynn,
You only have 2 squaring arms ?
I cut into a Maple Burl today that has been down for 2 years.
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I took a 2 inch slab out of it to see what was going on in there. The blade dove a lil in the center of it I guess because it was harder? There's a Crack that runs thru it but not sure if is all the way thru. It split in 2 when I off loaded it. I'm not sure what to do with it yet.
It sits on the mill waiting for me. :D
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Quote from: Mooseherder on September 01, 2021, 05:53:58 PMI'm not sure what to do with it yet. It sits on the mill waiting for me.
Ye ole log whisperer !! :)
Quote from: Bruno of NH on September 01, 2021, 05:24:41 PMYou only have 2 squaring arms ?
Jim, I suppose that you are referring to the side supports. I have two powered side supports and two manual. I very seldom saw short stuff so I have never seen the need to add power to the manual side supports.
Quote from: Magicman on September 01, 2021, 06:43:22 PM
Quote from: Bruno of NH on September 01, 2021, 05:24:41 PMYou only have 2 squaring arms ?
Jim, I suppose that you are referring to the side supports. I have two powered side supports and two manual. I very seldom saw short stuff so I have never seen the need to add power to the manual side supports.
I understand
When I ordered my mill Marty powered the center 2 for me.
Quote from: Bruno of NH on September 01, 2021, 07:40:58 PM
Quote from: Magicman on September 01, 2021, 06:43:22 PM
Quote from: Bruno of NH on September 01, 2021, 05:24:41 PMYou only have 2 squaring arms ?
Jim, I suppose that you are referring to the side supports. I have two powered side supports and two manual. I very seldom saw short stuff so I have never seen the need to add power to the manual side supports.
I understand
When I ordered my mill Marty powered the center 2 for me.
You guys have me going now. I know you are both running LT40's and I am operating and LT50Wide and still learning the machine. I never looked for manual stops but thought about that laying in bed one night. The 50 only has the two hydraulic stops that come standard. On standard logs they are all you need to make time. but I have had some trouble getting the first opening side to come up square against those stops (I attribute this to operator lack of skill). I have no idea how the owner ordered the machine and if I know him as well as I think, he bought the demo from a major show after the event. Now I have to try to remember to look for them when I start milling again. I did not see manual stops listed by WM as an option for that machine. Hope I never need them, another thing to crash into. ;D ;D I am not sure how I would do a short log on this mill, probably have to throw up a sacrificial board and do a lot of jockeying.
I bought the 2 extra powered side supports on mine and have never regretted it. I still sometimes have to use a sacrificial board for really short stuff such as cookies and real short benches and such. I guess Doc will give me a hard time about that too but it is still a faster and more dependable way for me to get perfect leg height and angle every time.
OG your stops are the same as mine. I find it best to tilt the log slightly away from the stop at the bottom, with the stop all the way up, then bring the clamp in low so it pushes the bottom over square to the stop. Don't push too hard because you need to be able to drop the stop as the last step many times and you want it to just slide down.
Agreed that it's easy to not get it square, but I do prefer the vertical stops over the traditional ones.
Well it is good to know that I am suffering with the right stuff and not having problems I shouldn't have. I wish there was a squaring laser on there because sometimes on the second cut I think I am square and it turns out I am a little off. I have been using the clamp to push it up or pull it down as I can but there are still 'those logs' that have a mind of their own.
He's got orders for another 3,000 BF of practice work for me to do so maybe at some point I'll be getting better. He did admit yesterday that he was a bit surprised I had only screwed up one log out of the 70 or so I milled. He expected a lot more loss in the learning curve and fed me some of his worst logs because of that. This next bunch is longer lumber, 11-18' so I will have to be a bit more careful and can expect bigger logs. He also needs to span 60' with a 2x14 so I have to look at where the breaks (joints) can be in that. I told him if he wants a single beam he can just set up the CSM and set my young tailgunner to work on it. :D ;D
I found it takes a bit to understand the log/cant and clamp pressure.
You can move things around if not being careful.
I'm learning to saw fast and keep quality up at the same time.
The hydraulics are painfully slow on the standard Lt 40.
Bruno:
In another 10 years you'll like the slow hydraulics as it will give you more recuperation time between cuts.
GAB
GAB,
I have been blessed since the first of the year with super help at the mill.
A faster mill and I would be on top of the world :D
I feel like it now but know I have a long way to go to come any place close to others on the FF.
I find you need dreams to keep moving forward even if you never achieve them.
Quote from: Bruno of NH on September 02, 2021, 07:38:37 AM
I found it takes a bit to understand the log/cant and clamp pressure.
You can move things around if not being careful.
I'm learning to saw fast and keep quality up at the same time.
The hydraulics are painfully slow on the standard Lt 40.
I don't know what 'painfully slow' means but I can guess. The 50 is pretty fast, in fact many times much faster than I can think. I did grasp the subtleties right away, but getting them to work in my favor remains the challenge. It is rather interesting going from a complete manual push mill to a fully automated mill. You have to make decisions much faster and I am certain my tailgunner many times thinks I am touched in the head because I stare at something for a bit before I make an adjustment or decide which is my second face, then do it twice more before it lands right. He sees no difference, but I do. As with chess, I am trying to think 3 moves ahead while keeping the end game in mind (and always trying to remember to check the toe boards). ;D ;D
Quote from: Old Greenhorn on September 02, 2021, 09:10:05 AM
Quote from: Bruno of NH on September 02, 2021, 07:38:37 AM
I found it takes a bit to understand the log/cant and clamp pressure.
You can move things around if not being careful.
I'm learning to saw fast and keep quality up at the same time.
The hydraulics are painfully slow on the standard Lt 40.
I don't know what 'painfully slow' means but I can guess. The 50 is pretty fast, in fact many times much faster than I can think. I did grasp the subtleties right away, but getting them to work in my favor remains the challenge. It is rather interesting going from a complete manual push mill to a fully automated mill. You have to make decisions much faster and I am certain my tailgunner many times thinks I am touched in the head because I stare at something for a bit before I make an adjustment or decide which is my second face, then do it twice more before it lands right. He sees no difference, but I do. As with chess, I am trying to think 3 moves ahead while keeping the end game in mind (and always trying to remember to check the toe boards). ;D ;D
My mill help looks at me when I flip logs and cants to get what I want for a face.
They don't get that it matters on the finish product.
They think I'm to picky :D
Well I have been lucky in that the tailgunner I have had for a few days wants to work and is pretty sharp. He pays attention. AT first he was confused but then I am sure he came to realize there was a lot going on. On those borderline logs when I would stop for a minute and make some measurements and maybe a few crayon marks for notes to remind me of the plan he would watch and come to realize a little about what it takes to plan a cut on the log and how the first cuts sets the tone for the rest of the log. I explain a little about what concerns me as I am thinking it through. I joked with him once and said "hey, you want to mill this one?" he was pretty quick to say "heck no!". :D Smart kid.
I had 2 separate customers order some rough sawed tulip poplar lumber. For small orders I'll cut a tree or two but this was for some larger and longer pieces than I wanted to handle with my ATV and such so I contacted my supplier/former customer and he had plenty so I met him at 0700 with a pleasant 49 degrees F.
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These were laid out at the sawing site waiting for me.
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This is a stack he has accumulated for future use.
We sawed a little over 800 bf for one customer who wanted a few 2" & 3" X12"X12' and a few 3"X12"X10' and the rest was 300 bf of 8' random width 4/4 lumber. Turned out we needed one more big 12' log to finish the order so I went with him and cut about a 26"-28" tree and the 12' butt log finished the big order and we had about 1/3 of the 4/4 order. To save ourselves work we decided to to just treat them all as 8' even if 10' or 12' to save us time and labor. The customer readily agreed to that when I called him tonight. Of course I told him if that was a problem I'd just saw them off to 8' as I'll be picking them up in a 5X8 utility trailer and it would be an easy fix.
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The foreground is the larger (~800 bf) order and the smaller 300 bf 4/4 order is at the rear.
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This was some stock lumber generated. Mostly 1X4 and some 2X4 that were not on the cut list but just too pretty to throw away. This is an extra benefit for the log supplier who also serves as my helper - and he is very good at it.
The lady customer will pick up the larger order tomorrow and I'll meet and guide her over and I'll bring back the 300 bf order and that customer will come pick it up here this weekend.
I put about 5.5 hours on the mill, we cut about 1250 bf of poplar and the recent repairs on the mill seem to have solved the problem.
I'm glad that your repairs were successful. When the WM is kicking out quality lumber it makes one happy.
I can finally finish what I started in Reply #1242.
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Log sawed, the sawmill has been moved, and
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the 1X6's seen here on the left have all been stickered.
work in progeess
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Out of this
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We got some of this
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Customer's happy so far. We'll go back tomorrow and finish the job. Three more logs that size (appx 8' long, 30" diameter) and then another half dozen that are longer (12'-16') and skinnier (appx 24" diameter). It'll make for another fun day making sawdust.
Quote from: DesertHobo on September 05, 2021, 06:37:41 PM
It'll make for another fun day making sawdust.
In sawdust we trust ;D
JohnM and I sawed cherry and chinaberry for about an hour yesterday morning. This included trimming branch studs and washing mud out of the bark. Some of it was really cool and some of it never made it to chicken salad status. After the saw job we sawed a short log from a tree that we removed from John's parents' yard last November. We quartersawed it and got some good looking short boards. Some quartersawn were over 14" wide. Short logs are a royal pain.
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Speaking of short, Saturday I sawed about 75 logs 10-18" diameter and 16-24" long. Customer very happy. Two other sawyers told him they were too short.
He had 2 guys from his landscaping crew help they were very good. We got a system going took 5 hr overall.
We did not saw yesterday but worked on my boat's outboard instead. We sawed a couple of live oak logs this morning. We switched back to 1.5" blades for this. The sawing was going well on the first log, which we were live edge slabbing. We were sawing 2.5" thick and some slabs were 25-26" wide. I flipped the log, flat side down and found that I could get an extra 1 5/8" board and then saw to the bed at 2.5". About 4' into that side of the log the saw head started shaking. At the end of the cut we examined the cant and found a couple of nails. We finished sawing the log with that blade, at the speed of sloth but it continued to saw flat.
We changed blades after that log and sawed a couple more live oak logs into 8" and 10" boards.
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I got a call yesterday for 15 - 4" X 4" X 7' poplar posts so I cut a tree, cut 2-14' logs out of the top, dragged them off the mountain and set the mill up. This morning I sawed them with the side lumber at 7/8" boards for future use on my sheds/outhouse buildings.
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I cut the 2-14' logs in half
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The first 4 logs yielded 12 4" square posts so I went up and cut off another 7'. I see there is 36' left of the butt log after cutting 35' off the top.
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252 bf of posts and side lumber
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Order complete and customer coming this afternoon to get the posts. I'll stack and sticker the side lumber for future use.
Finished up yesterday's job, was greeted by this guy while taking the cover off the mill
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Yesterday's stack, plus these two
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Plus this one
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Full of boards like these
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Makes for a happy repeat customer.
The flock didn't want us to leave, they had us blocked in until we got them back out to pasture.
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This morning I drove 92 miles (round trip) to
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saw this one 16' White Oak log into
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Twelve 2X8's. Swept, sprayed, and stickered.
And then moved the sawmill to these
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Eleven SYP logs. Notice the dirt, they had been skidded over a mile.
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The largest butt is 36". I'll get to them after our vacation. move_it sail_smiley fishin-smiley
I ran my mill today for the first time in months. I finally had some time in between projects. I milled some 6/4 walnut boards about 8" wide and a few odd other sizes. Of course, I smashed my foot, which can be read about in my did something dumb thread. It felt good to be back at it. It helps that the weather has taken a turn for the better. It was about 70 when I started cutting and maybe 80 when I quit. I will mill some cedar tomorrow and it should be even cooler.
Just practicing uploading a photo for the first time. This is some lumber I sawed a few weeks back. This was for the guy that had 11 different species of logs for me to saw.
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Good job with the picture Craig. thumbs-up
The lumber looks good too. :)
Thanks Lynn
Quote from: Magicman on September 01, 2021, 02:07:34 PM
This morning's sawing began here last week
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When my customer showed me this 46" butt Water Oak log that indicated metal.
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I parked the sawmill beside it Saturday, and we returned this morning.
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The first order of business was to 'jump butt' 5' from the butt and 3' from the top end leaving a nice 12' log.
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The log was sorta egg shaped and 36" on both the butt and top end. The weight calculator shows 5428 lbs. but that would be a log with taper. This log had none
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The Kubota rolled it onto the loading arms and I would take over from there. The Magic Hook is secured to the log clamp with no slack.
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And the loader & clamp working together loaded the log.
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So now let the 'gunbarreling' begin.
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And continue.
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Until I had three 6" cants for the saw through. Notice that the pith check runs horizontal with the boards.
The heat forced us to quit at 10:30 so we will return Friday to edge the flitches and saw his last log. It will be interesting to see how many board feet this log yielded.
Nice work. I have always taken pleasure in watching a professional at work. The ease at which a skilled person can accomplish a hard task is as study that more should undertake.. If I wasn't so far away I would come give you a hand.
Have not sawn much lately. Hot, Rain, busy at work. Did cut 6 nice ash logs into 5/4 boards for a friend. We did not think to take pictures. We have a tremendous amount of dead ash from the borer around here.
I did build a nice maple an cherry table for a friend
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who did some no charge real estate legal work for me though.
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Before
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In between
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After
94.5 mile round trip trip to resume interrupted sawing job from my failed coils. 12 hours from arrival to departure. Did not scale the lumber. Mostly ash, a little poplar one small walnut. 4/4 & 5/4 boards. I'm guessing around 1500-1800 bf. 7.7 hours on the engine, one full tank of gas used. Several large logs that had to be gun barreled to fit the mill. 8 blades but one was out of set and replaced at the start. Plan on finishing tomorrow.
Nearly wiped out 3 deer at 8:07 pm on the way home. Locked the brakes set on the horn and they barely cleared the area.
Trips and days like that are getting old for me. Yours an hr each way not too bad. I've had 2.5 hr each way plus extra on the way home in rush hour traffic.
That long of a drive and by the time I get there I'd be getting out of the cab of the truck like a cripple lol . Dang back pain. At least it goes away as I start moving
You and me both. Also other issues if I didn't make a pitstop several times on the way back. Wife asks what's wrong with you? I tell her I'm not really home yet.🥵
No pictures today. It was after dark when I quit and too late to take a picture. Very similar to yesterday with 7.5 hours on the mill. One gnarly ash I whittled down 2 sides and cut some one side LE 8/4 for bookmatching to make wide tables or such. Customer did not know what he would do with them.
My debarker quit while working on the contrary ash log. I am sure it is a loose or broken wire. I fixed one broken wire. early on today and just need to do basic troubleshooting. I think we have 6 more small logs to saw but it was just too dark to safely continue so one more trip to finish, tally and collect my pay. We started with a slight rain delay, I had to move to mill about 5-6 ft up the hill to get more working room and had to jack it up and re-level it after one large knocked it off its shims at the rear.
Maybe not the right thread, but I was planning to buy a clean sweetgum log tomorrow and was wondering what a fair price was. It is 35 ft long, 18 inches in diameter on the big end and 14 on the little end (also pretty straight). No limbs from what I can tell in the picture. Is $75 too much or too little or about right?
Well that's about 355 board feet. Right now around here that log delivered to a mill would bring $300 or so per 1000 BF, or $0.30 per BF, multiply that by 355 and you have $106.50, delivered, assuming it does not have any rot, sweep, or other defect that deducts from the measurement.
Gum has a twisted grain to it, as such it moves a lot so best to quarter saw it for flat lumber. That log is too small to quarter saw. Really it's two switch ties with a little pallet wood.
Guess it depends on what you need is the answer.
I'm just sawing into 1x6s. My initial offer to the guy was $50, but I went up to $75 when he said no. Probably should have just passed on it when he said no to $50
Personally I would say no and move on, that is unless you have a need for twisty 1X6's. :-X
The last Sweetgum I sold, I got $1 a ton for it. It was a leftover load from a thinning job. I was just glad they got it away from here. Otherwise, it would have just laid there and rotted.
The log weighs about 1.5 tons. In the timber market as stumpage for low grade or pallet wood, it is worth on the stump $25 per ton. That is the only market for Sweetgum logs. So, on a timber sale as a standing tree in the woods it is worth about $38. Add about $25 per ton for logging and delivery to a commercial hardwood mill which is another $38. The log is worth about $76 and your offer is spot on.
Of course you cannot sell one log to a commercial hardwood mill in Alabama, so actually, commercially the log is worthless. It sucks as firewood and is a poor wood for cooking or smoking meat. It is only worth what an individual like you is willing to pay. The seller has no other alternative except to let it lay and rot or use it as poor firewood with low heating value.
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%$*&@#U#: fat fingered another response off into cyber space. I'm going to remove or tape over that button as I can't think of anything else I use it for.
I returned to the site 50 miles away and sawed 5-6 more small logs this morning to finish nearly 5K bf over just over 3 days hard sawing and 5 round trips involved. Mostly 4/4, a few 5/4 stair treads and a few 8/4 and even a handful of 4X4 posts. Mostly ash, walnut, a couple of old poplar and a few cedars and even one small cherry.
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A handful of cedar to be stacked. I sure wish I had some pretty cedar like Patrick down in NC gets.
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Mostly ash, a few walnut to be stacked.
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Mostly walnut with a few 4-8 ft long 4X4 posts
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Ash and maybe even a handful of poplar boards. A few 5/4 on the right stack. Stack got too high for my customer so he got the ladder to help. Customer was showing his wife the pretty spalting in some of these boards first thing yesterday morning. They were both real happy with them.
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Mostly walnut. Some really pretty lumber in this stack.
Got home and unhooked the mill, a passer-by stopped and talked. Looks like another small, part of 1 day job I'll get in a few weeks and it is only 8-9 miles up the road and the kind I really like. (I swallowed a gnat while talking with him and nearly strangled to death! How can something so small cause so much havoc?)
I did a service on the mill till near dark which was about 8 hours overdue. I'll change the oil and filter in the morning ahead of schedule and saw one 4' long WO log for a repeat customer.
Need to send a BOM to my log supplier and see if he can provide about 5K bf of poplar the sizes listed. I suspect he can and that will be an October project.
Nice job, but someone needs to teach them how to properly sticker. There can be quite a bit of degrade by sloppy stickering
Your customer is going to have to move quite a whack of wood. Left in place it may not fare well. I HATE re-work.
He put some separator strips in some of the some of the stacks so he can lift them with the forks on his tractor which is not running right now.
I had a repeat customer bring me this gnarly white oak "log" to cut into 8/4 stair treads. I told him if he'd cut it 3" longer it would have fit across the loading arms so I used the chains as a sling. I used about every trick I knew to rotate it and move it a few inches at a time. Ended up with about 7 - 2" X 10" treads and several 2X6's he can join to make a couple more if he wants. He said he was only expecting a couple so I did not feel as bad for not getting a lot more.
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32' W pine for a timber frame. The next frame will only have 22'
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Cutting atv road and slabbing what I take out for swamp and creek bridge material. Absolutely hate rutting up land
Last summer I milled some elm logs. Today my wife and I loaded it all into the kiln. This was the first time she has helped me load wood. I was impressed as she was able to help me carry live edge slabs that were 10' long, 18" wide and 8/4. She's a little one. I was very happy with how the elm dried. Over 10' they have a little twist and a little bow, but not much for being long. There is no cup. Even the 1 x 10s dried pretty flat. On top of that we stacked a bunch of 4/4 quartersawn walnut. I love the way those boards turned out with half heart and half sapwood.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on September 11, 2021, 02:40:29 PM
He put some separator strips in some of the some of the stacks so he can lift them with the forks on his tractor which is not running right now.
I had a repeat customer bring me this gnarly white oak "log" to cut into 8/4 stair treads. I told him if he'd cut it 3" longer it would have fit across the loading arms so I used the chains as a sling. I used about every trick I knew to rotate it and move it a few inches at a time. Ended up with about 7 - 2" X 10" treads and several 2X6's he can join to make a couple more if he wants. He said he was only expecting a couple so I did not feel as bad for not getting a lot more.
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That's a billet of wood more than a log lol
Quote from: donbj on September 10, 2021, 11:13:45 PM
Nice job, but someone needs to teach them how to properly sticker. There can be quite a bit of degrade by sloppy stickering
It may not be a case of not knowing how, but an instance where the lumber will have to be moved to it's final drying spot after the sawing is done. This is the case very often when the logs are sawn at the landing.
Yes a second handlings but the customer may be doing the best that he can with the help that he has.
Quote from: Magicman on September 12, 2021, 03:47:03 PM
Quote from: donbj on September 10, 2021, 11:13:45 PM
Nice job, but someone needs to teach them how to properly sticker. There can be quite a bit of degrade by sloppy stickering
It may not be a case of not knowing how, but an instance where the lumber will have to be moved to it's final drying spot after the sawing is done. This is the case very often when the logs are sawn at the landing.
Yes a second handlings but the customer may be doing the best that he can with the help that he has.
That's a good point.
Quote from: Magicman on September 10, 2021, 07:17:06 AM
Personally I would say no and move on, that is unless you have a need for twisty 1X6's. :-X
@Magicman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=10011) , What about Black Gum? I have some on my property but never milled it. Is it worth milling, firewood, or ?? thanks in advance.
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Never knew Box Elder looked like this. Thanks to you guys telling me what it was. I got 22 nice pieces out of two logs. Now I want more. I don't even want to sell it.
Its box elder, not elm. It is one of the soft maples.
Quote from: firefighter ontheside on September 13, 2021, 07:42:20 PM
Its box elder, not elm. It is one of the soft maples.
Thank you. Corrected
Quote from: jb616 on September 13, 2021, 12:00:29 PMWhat about Black Gum?
Black Gum is still spiral grain. The old woodworkers used it and Tupelo Gum for dough bowls, etc.
I have sawn Black Gum into lumber but I have no idea how it turned out. Same as with Hickory, Elm, Sweetgum, Sycamore, etc. I can only advise the customer and if they are determined, I saw it.
The spiral grain causes it to cup, warp, and twist badly if flatsawn. It is more stable if quartersawn, but that takes a big log.
Alright, I'm doing it; my first "Whatcha Sawin' 2021" post that isn't chain saw milled! 8)
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Now that would bring a smile even to ole Scrooge's face. 8)
I'll take your word for that. :D :D
Nice wood!
That is nice ERC. I sure am drooling right now.
hugs, Brandi
A buddy brought some cedar logs to mill a few days ago. He wanted to make 4" thick slabs to make a bridge over a ditch on his property. He had some very nice logs as opposed to most of the ones I get that are always rotten on the inside if they are larger than 12" diameter. He was very happy with what we got. It seemed like he left with more wood than he came with.
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That's about what I need to finish off my cut list for the pergola FFOTS. LOL
Tackled a large ash yesterday.
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Real sawmills don't saw no stinkin cookies! >:( :-[ :-[ :-X
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Well I suppose their can be exceptions. I saw a lot for a resin artist with a big cnc router and engraver. She showed up with a couple of old white oak logs. The first went into live edge charcuterie stock but she wanted cookies out of the second. These were all around 25" diameter. Got another pallet of bigger cookies that I had to cut with the chainsaw. It will be interesting to see what she makes. Hope she doesn't want anymore cookies!!!!
Milling the last of my BIG walnut logs. 20' long, 32" at the base. Two big branches that came out pointing up. It's pretty much clear on the other 3 faces. So this will be good for a 10x10 post, but not a beam. Actually I make make this a gunstock post as there is plenty of meat at the base, to match one I made a couple years ago. I'll also get a number of 4" thick brace stock pieces from the sidewood.
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As I made these cuts the wind died down to zero so I started burning my beam planer chips. Took 4 hours to burn it all from the totally full 4x4x8 collection box. Pic doesn't do justice to the scene with the moon rising behind.
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Rafters and loft planking for a small barn.
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I wanted to run a test log to check out some blades so I cut this 8' log off a 34' stock poplar log and just sawed it into 2X4s for stock.
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All went well and with 30 more minutes on the engine I had 14 pretty 2X4s and 3 - 1X14s (83 bf). I am now loaded up for a 2 log job 35 miles away tomorrow then a pretty good day's work about 15 miles away. After than I have a 1-2 day job about 60 miles away and several days work on another at 2 sites but no helper. Hopefully within 3 weeks I'll be dug out.
I went and loaded up some walnut logs that I'm buying from a buddy. He rented a big off road lift so he could cut down a few trees in his mom's yard. He offered them for free, but i gave him some money to help offset the cost of the lift. I couldn't load up the biggest today. It was 32" at the butt end and about 28" at the other end of the 14' log. Log weight calculator says it weighs 3500 lbs. I will have to cut it in half to be able to load it.
My morning didn't yield much but it was mostly getting ready for Thursday.
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The first order of business was to buck a 10' log from this 22" butt Hurricane Ida felled Water Oak.
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The Stihl MS362 e/w a 24" bar did it's job so the customer
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Skidded it a short distance to the sawmill.
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It squared up fairly nicely and
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Yielded 158bf of fairly nice lumber e/w some spalt on the butt end. I billed 2 hours ($150) for the bucking and sawing.
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This is a portion of the ~2Mbf of logs that we will begin sawing Thursday into framing lumber.
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They had been skidded over a mile and produced a flatten drag spot over 12" wide. Looks like 'Lemons' to me so I will make 'Lemonade'.
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I drove 35 miles to saw these 2 White Oak logs. An 8' flattened 2 sides and an 11' on the end. The customer evidently did not understand they needed to be lined up side to side vs end to end. ::) Oh well, it was a minimum rate job anyway. I sawed several of the chainsawed slabs and got some short 8/4 and 5/4 boards for the customer. Then I sawed some crotch cookies and even squared up a firewood chunk for a stool. I even sawed a couple of firewood pieces into 6/4 square stock for future bench legs. I think the customer will bring them over and I'll make him a couple of LE benches. Sort of like playing with the mill but getting paid to do it. All that playing at home paid off with this kind of job. Also the MagicHook got a good workout rolling that big flat log. Then I spun the tongue of the mill a little and dragged the 11' log down till we could load and saw it. Lots of 12" wide 4/4 boards. 2.5 hours on the mill. 1.9 engine hours about 5 hours on site and a very happy customer.
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Boards up to 16" wide, cookies, cut-off, etc in his truck to be taken a few hundred feet for stacking.
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Mostly 12" wide 4/4 WO boards from the 11' log.
I like sawing jobs like this. I hit one nail and it was parallel to the log. 1/8" higher or lower and I'd have missed it. The customer had no complaints paying for the blade. How lucky can you get! It is fun when you have a good customer who appreciates the work and results.
While I'm loaded up I have another long days work scheduled for the morning.
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I drove 35 miles to saw these 2 White Oak logs. An 8' flattened 2 sides and an 11' on the end. The customer evidently did not understand they needed to be lined up side to side vs end to end. ::) Oh well, it was a minimum rate job anyway. I sawed several of the chainsawed slabs and got some short 8/4 and 5/4 boards for the customer. Then I sawed some crotch cookies and even squared up a firewood chunk for a stool. I even sawed a couple of firewood pieces into 6/4 square stock for future bench legs. I think the customer will bring them over and I'll make him a couple of LE benches. Sort of like playing with the mill but getting paid to do it. All that playing at home paid off with this kind of job. Also the MagicHook got a good workout rolling that big flat log. Then I spun the tongue of the mill a little and dragged the 11' log down till we could load and saw it. Lots of 12" wide 4/4 boards. 2.5 hours on the mill. 1.9 engine hours about 5 hours on site and a very happy customer.
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Boards up to 16" wide, cookies, cut-off, etc in his truck to be taken a few hundred feet for stacking.
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Mostly 12" wide 4/4 WO boards from the 11' log.
I like sawing jobs like this. I hit one nail and it was parallel to the log. 1/8" higher or lower and I'd have missed it. The customer had no complaints paying for the blade. How lucky can you get! It is fun when you have a good customer who appreciates the work and results.
While I'm loaded up I have another long days work scheduled for the morning.
Howard, nice work. I think you are getting as busy as M.M.
Be good,
Rich
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Except MM is slowing down with his sawing.
Only 14 names in my Schedule Book which is down from 39 in June. ;D
Quote from: Magicman on September 28, 2021, 09:47:40 AM
Except MM is slowing down with his sawing.
Only 14 names in my Schedule Book which is down from 39 in June. ;D
You are a man of your word...you did say you were going to slow down. Good for you.
I sawed up the ugly old maple stump, after splitting it in half with the 880, a 5 foot bar, and skip chain. I made the thin coaster stock 18 inches wide and 24 inches long, 1/4 inch thick. i had left some quarters laying and today I sawed them into 1 inch thick really ugly boards to cut to sticker length and then rip 3/4 on the table saw for future stickers. had not run the saw for a while, was good to hear it talk to me when I push quickly through the left over stuff. warm but got a fire going in the @Brad_bb (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=6191) inspired turbo burn barrel
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A long hard but productive day. We sawed everything in the picture and even 4 quarters off the big RO in the background. I actually had 3 customers involved. First was 182 bf of poplar (2 logs) sawed into 2X4 & 2X6's), next was about 15 RO/WO 8' & 10' logs. A few 2X4s and mostly 4/4. 1540 bf for him. Then 3 large lightning struck poplar logs - 2-5' long and one 8'. Sawed them into 1/2 LE 8/4. Lots of season and other cracking with big end splits before I ever sawed them but the customer expected the damage and was very happy with the results. 530 bf for him. 8.3 engine hours on the mill and even had to stop and refill the gas tank once. I had the MMs luck on helpers for a change with a pretty, hard working young lady in a sleeveless tank top and sports bra stacking all day. She worked hard and asked lots of good questions and was happy to learn about the mill and sawing. I deserve a little good luck once in a while.
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8' dead stacked poplar on the forks. Note the splits. These were 23" wide, I even had to debark one edge to get the blade to pass. First time I have succeeded in cheating the log and sawing 26-28 inch diameter. It was a good day.
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5' 8/4 one side LE poplar. Flat stacked while the owner took the other load home on his tractor.
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4/4 Oak boards. There is a stack of 2X4 behind this stack I Forgot to photograph. It was right at dark and I was rushing. Also did not get a picture of the poplar 2X4's and 2X6's as the customer loaded them on his trailer as cut, paid and left before I thought about a picture.
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4/oak boards. Grainy picture of my lady off-bearer, Heidi, in the background. Total 2252 bf and 12 hours from start to finish.
I was about to say "no pic then it did not happen", :) but I do see the outline of a young person in the background. good for you!
Doc,
I am crushed that you would publicly doubt the veracity of any statement I might make in a public forum such as this. :( >:( Shame on you. ;)
Man, that looks like it was a long, hard, satisfying day! Nice wood.
Just for future reference, MM usually has better phots of his crew. Just sayin'.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on September 28, 2021, 10:47:05 PM
Doc,
I am crushed that you would publicly doubt the veracity of any statement I might make in a public forum such as this. :( >:( Shame on you. ;)
I would too!
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Old Greenhorn on September 28, 2021, 10:49:14 PMJust for future reference, MM usually has better phots of his crew. Just sayin'.
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Da pictures will speak for themselves. :D
Oh, and congrats on a very productive job !!! 8)
Okay Lynn, you win but just be warned - I'm gaining on you in the off-bearer department!
Sorry but I believe it is strict FF policy that with no pic, it just did not happen. I do not make up the rules! :snowball: :snowball: :snowball: :D :D :D
at least MMs off bearer has a matching shirt and shoes and safety PPE in gloves and safety glasses. for all we know, the neighbor lady was just walking by. Will let it slide this time, but incidents like this are what the wood shed is for. :) :) :)
Quote from: doc henderson on September 29, 2021, 09:02:05 AM
I do not make up the rules! :snowball: :snowball: :snowball: :D :D :D
That just might be a good thing.
Oh HI Doc.
GAB
Good morning GAB! thanks again for the maple sugaring information!
Doc,
Why don't you just go teach the boy scouts to start a fire by rubbing 2 sticks together instead of stirring up hate, discontent and ill-will! :D We all know you are just jealous of MM and me getting good help.
I will say my helper did not look as neat as MMs at the end of the day. She was covered in sawdust and her hair had started to scatter and such after carrying 12"-16" wide RO boards all day. She was a tough worker.
I am certain she is tough,... if she lasted all day with you! :o :o :o glad you had some good help. :) :) :) all in fun of course. ;) :) :D
Quote from: doc henderson on September 29, 2021, 09:19:42 AM
Good morning GAB! thanks again for the maple sugaring information!
Good morning to you and to all.
Concerning the sugaring info. you are very welcome.
GAB
Good help is hard to fine but....
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There are also lumber graders. ;D
Good help is hard to find, very hard.
Pretty help is all but impossible.
Some folks have asked me if I am fast sawyer or if I am a slow sawyer. My answer is always the same "Well I am not slow, and I am surely not fast. I am kind of in the middle, I am what you might call a half-fast sawyer. :)
I bet next time Howard gets pretty help he will get a better photo before he eve gets started. :D ;D
Tom,
The next time I get pretty help it may take me a week to finish a 1,000 bf job sawing 8' poplar 2X4s. :D
Actually my wife may say that is like a hound dog chasing a car and wouldn't know what to do with one if he caught it. ;D
I guess if she is grading based on a smile, you did good. :) glad she does not have a sad face. MM
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This was a father/daughter team of tailgunners.
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This lady/customer stacked and stickered every board by herself.
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Here the whole family joined in the fun.
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This was a cookie stacking Queen.
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But this has to be my all time favorite tailgunner picture. ;D
Lynn,
You should have quit while you were ahead and left off that last pix. :D
We've been working on and off on this project since the end of June. We've had a 12,000 BF order of small, live edge 6/4 black walnut green slabs we've been sawing. All logs (branches, cause ya know, they won't roll) are bucked in to either 6' or 4' lengths, then flat stacked in a criss-cross pattern to keep them tight. Pacs are 4'x6'x42" high and each is approx. 900 BF. When 3 pacs are complete, the buyer picks them up and restacks/stickers. They have their own kiln they're running. They make charcuterie boards and live edge shelves for resale. It's a lot of nit-picky work on our end, but it's been a pretty good gig and it ends up as something other than firewood.
The right side of the pile is a look at the small stuff we're using for this project. In front of the bigger stuff is my new lumber grader/ inspector (5 yr old grand daughter). She loves spending time with grandpa.
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Small logs bucked to length
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Finished pacs
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Some of their work.
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Quote from: Old Greenhorn on September 29, 2021, 11:57:23 AM
I bet next time Howard gets pretty help he will get a better photo before he eve gets started. :D ;D
Reminds me of the time a buddy and I were surf fishing on Hatteras Island on the Outer Banks. He caught a very nice stripped bass and late that evening just before closing time, we took the striped bass to our favorite tackle shop to weigh it. Working there at the tackle shop was a beautiful young lady whose accent placed her of Eastern European origin. She came out to see the bass and I asked her if I could take her picture. She said, "Why you take picture of me and not fish?"
Just a small one day job. 2013bf out of these a few more small ones he decided to drag up.
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I've not cut anything of note lately. We did saw some pine framing lumber for a customer who needed lumber for concrete forms and rafters a couple of weeks ago. I did cut two walnut logs for about 800 board feet of 4/4 and 5/4 lumber last Saturday. This coming Saturday I'm doing a demo at a local farm festival. I've stayed busy with the wood products company and being a camp host at the local state park.
As far as tail gunners go, the the one (without the mustache :D) in my avatar is the best of the best I've had. She can do the work of two and if she has a helper with her, I have no worries about them keeping up, stacking neatly, stick spacing or cleaning up the mill at blade changes. It all gets done when she's around. The only problem is keeping a retired PhD interested in helping when she makes more as a tutor at the local elementary school. ;)
Beavertooth,
Thanks for the storage/stacking idea! That's smart !
I gotta see if I can figure that on out!
say_what
Got down to the mill later this morning than usual. I am old, get over it. :D It just took me a while to get moving. When I got to the mill this was my greeting.
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I can't complain because I pretty much staged them all. Just hard a hard time getting rolling. The first log gave me fits trying to squeeze out 2x12's and those dang toe boards kept messing me up. But they milled up fine in the end. Handling the 2x8x17' footers did take a toll on me though. I only got half the deck milled before I was pooped. I work slower when I have to handle the slabs, stack, and load. It's just a lot of running around and still trying to maximize each log. I got in a few hours and a few hundred BF milled and on the pile, not a lot, but I did work for it.
After shoveling bark and sawdust, I took a walk in the woods to mark some more mushroom log trees then ran to town for 'supplies'.
When I got home and threw my hat on the table I realized why I was having a hard time seeing through the sawdust.
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I don't think I am milling tomorrow, other stuff needs doing, but I will get back at it Saturday at least.
Quote from: Beavertooth on September 30, 2021, 08:17:27 AM
Just a small one day job. 2013bf out of these a few more small ones he decided to drag up.
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Wow....what kind of velcro do you use for storing logs upside down like that? :D :D :D :D
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110 miles round trip. These are starting pictures. No completed pictures because it was pitch dark when we finished. One of my helpers had to shine a light on the scale so I could see my settings. 2351 bf, lots of 16' logs. RO, WO, Hemlock and Tulip poplar. I had 3 men helping and all of use were worn out by the end of the job. I sawed for this customer almost 2 years ago and I remember we finished in the dark then too. 12 hours on site and 10 engine hours on the mill - which is a lot for those of you who track such things.
One more good sized job at 2 sites in backlog and I'll be caught up if nobody else calls with their stuff ready.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on September 29, 2021, 09:24:30 AMDoc, Why don't you just go teach the boy scouts to start a fire by rubbing 2 sticks together instead of stirring up hate, discontent and ill-will!
Trust me, you DON'T want @doc henderson (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=41041) teaching kids how to start fires. :D
we do. we teach them to make sure at least on is a match stick. :D :D :D
Quote from: Beavertooth on September 30, 2021, 08:17:27 AMI told customer to store logs upside down so most of the dirt would fall off by the time I got there to saw
Now, THAT is funny!
My trip yesterday was pretty memorable. I crossed the Western Hemisphere's longest single arch bridge twice, passed the 38th Parallel Korean war memorial sign, passed the big boy scout site which hosts international scout jamborees with scouts from all over the world then had Woodrow Wilson as my helper all day.
I had a very successful morning which started with this..
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36" butt log and was followed by two more almost equals. 2197 bf sawed in 6 hours using 3 blades. Rain shut us down leaving 8 logs unsawn. The customer will be on vacation next week so I will return on or after the 11th to finish him up.
Hopefully PatD and I can return to the Cabin and resume our work there next week.
Never say never. I had no intention of sawing for the next couple of weeks. The sawmill is parked at my customer's location but is visible from the road. Well a neighbor called asking if I could saw a few logs for him if he delivered them so away I went this morning.
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I didn't scale it but it was not much less than one Mbf so not too shabby for a minimum sawing rate job. ;D
I like those minimum rate jobs where the customer just wants a couple of logs sawed and after an easy 2-3 hours we are done. I had one Monday. Keep up the good work.
Since I'm still not sure how long I will have the mill, I decided to enjoy sometime outside and get a few things taken care of. First is some cedar cants from where I made an arbor for a friends sons wedding. The plan is to make a blanket chest out of the wood. wound up with 15-1x6x8'
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Next was a really pretty spalted ambrosia maple cant that I was able to process 29 pepper grinder blanks.
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Quote from: Raym on October 02, 2021, 01:39:11 PM
Since I'm still not sure how long I will have the mill, I decided to enjoy sometime outside and get a few things taken care of. First is some cedar cants from where I made an arbor for a friends sons wedding. The plan is to make a blanket chest out of the wood. wound up with 15-1x6x8'
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I love sawing cedar. Great smell. light to handle. ANd always interesting grain pattern. Those are some good looking all red boards. Should make a fine blanket chest !
Haven't posted here in awhile. Today I did a demo day at a local farm festival. Two weeks ago I was at the same farm but my feed motor died. So today I more or less had to double up on what we agreed on for the two days.
My staging crew
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Our day's production
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I did the demo in exchange for this year's supply of deer corn!
Quote from: SawyerTed on October 02, 2021, 08:36:52 PM
Haven't posted here in awhile. Today I did a demo day at a local farm festival. Two weeks ago I was at the same farm but my feed motor died. So today I more or less had to double up on what we agreed on for the two days.
My staging crew
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Our day's production
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I did the demo in exchange for this year's supply of deer corn!
Good trade!
Sawed part of these up Tuesday of last week and finished them Friday. Plus 2 more logs. Cedar turned out a lot better than I thought it was from the looks on the end of logs. 3240bf. Had a flat on mill on the way home friday night then missed a turn causing me to drive 24 miles out of the way . O well it could have been worse. :)
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Thanks to Yellowhammer & his pics, tried some RRQS on a 12' dead oak. Mostly manual LT 40, but managed. Have next 12'er x 16" on the deck ready to go. Ray fleck throughout....Thanks YH. 8)All the best, Rob.
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Quote from: 78NHTFY on October 05, 2021, 07:54:15 PM
Thanks to Yellowhammer & his pics, tried some RRQS on a 12' dead oak. Mostly manual LT 40, but managed. Have next 12'er x 16" on the deck ready to go. Ray fleck throughout....Thanks YH. 8)All the best, Rob.
Definitely takes time on a manual mill. I've done it on the LT15. Nice results though.
sawing cookies at a 45° for charcuterie boards, we are making for the local retiring orthopedic doc and his winery.
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some mineral oil (food safe finish) brings out some spalting, blue stain and character. got 11 boards from that log.
That some kind of Maple Doc? ???
Makes a mighty fine shark-cutie-ree board. smiley_thumbsup
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My BIL had this mulberry compromising his fence. I went to take it down for him and though it might be fun to cut. This is the longest log I was able to get (8') the rest are 6 footers. First time cutting mulberry for myself. Im interested to see how it dries.
The tree cat faces in the first pic look like Winkin, Blinkin, and Nod.
gotta love some Andy and Opie!!
@Resonator (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=37685) a red maple I think.
That Mulberry will turn the same shade of brown as a Park Service sign, it's quite stunning.
Love that mulberry!
Started sawing this big oak today for a customer. (Pin oak I believe). He got this and a couple of walnut logs free from someone's yard. Just about too big for my mill.... the blade's all the way up in the pic.
I need more horsepower! Those wide cuts work it hard and it cuts slow.
Didn't get quite done when the ignition switch gave out on the mill. It's been a little finicky for a while but now it won't power the carriage and if you wiggle the key it engages the starter in both the run position and the accesory position.
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We have been selling a few of the quartersawn boards out of this log (from post 2 or 3 on this thread) but today a customer showed up who scheduled his visit last month and bought all that we had left. We scaled it in his favor and his total came to $1485. He started peeling off $100's and handed me 17 of them and told us our price was too low and he did not feel right paying any less. First time we've ever gotten a $215 tip.
This guy bought a good whack of live oak from us a year ago and wants more. He is in luck as we have several good, hard sawing live oak logs in the yard now. @WDH (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=4370) , I still would like to give you a few live oak logs but I don't get to head up I-75 often these days.
We have not sawn anything in the past week and a half but we have been unloading and loading the kiln, delivering wood to the local hardwood store and doing those chores that are on either side of a sawmill.
Our next saw jobs will include several water oak logs, a few nice cedars and a big whack of eucalyptus (these may be a challenge).
Cavey,
Why do you want to give Danny some live oak logs? Other than mis-placed SEC loyalties (which he apparently came by honestly so what can you say) he is a pretty good guy. Are you mad at him or something? ;)
I have a 2 pile job for the same customer. This pile is 19 miles from home and I've been wanting to saw it most of the week but it has been drizzly, miserable weather. It looked like it was going to break and a week of real good weather is predicted starting tomorrow so I drove over and set up in a tight spot (The customer forgot to move a big box trailer and was not available today) and started sawing.
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I had to start with a pine log about 3 logs up as the bottom front log was wedged too tight to move easily. I sawed the pine and 2 ROs for about 224 bf. I'm having to do the stacking, cutting and placing stickers so I'm not breaking any speed records but then again, I'm not slowed down waiting on an inexperienced helper either. It started spitting rain again just enough to get me soaked and miserable so I packed up and came home. I think I'd take Sampson to the flea market tomorrow then return and whittle away on this whack of logs.
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I'll probably go up a few more layers then put some thicker dunnage in between so the customer can get his forks in and lift the stack separately and stack as high as I can comfortably work then build a new base this side of this stack and continue.
When I finish here I will go to his other stack down on the Greenbrier River 14 miles to other way and saw for him and 7-8 logs for his neighbor. Both of them are repeat customers.
Wednesday I sawed up a big red cedar log (my first red cedar). Made a bunch of 2x4s and some 2x2s. If my math skills were better there would have been more 2x4s and fewer 2x2s. Any way, there was a lot of pink sawdust on the ground when I finished up. <
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Quote from: WV Sawmiller on October 09, 2021, 05:27:59 PMWhy do you want to give Danny some live oak logs? Other than mis-placed SEC loyalties (which he apparently came by honestly so what can you say) he is a pretty good guy. Are you mad at him or something?
Danny mentioned to me one time that he would like to have a few live oak logs. The wood is beautiful, but man, sometimes it saws hard. Today's customer prefers live oak to build furniture out of. We have some nice logs to saw when we get a little time. Our real jobs and family commitments limit our sawmill time.
Okay. I don't care what the other members say about you. I think you're an OK guy too. I hope you get some prime LO logs up to him. :D
Danny's Bulldogs were vicious today.
Yes, in Auburn we are checking to see if those grief counselors in Baton Rouge are available. :( Well done dawgs.
I thought maybe you thought more of Danny than to inflict him with Live Oak. :D :D :D :D
Been a month or more since we were making sawdust. Finally got some time yesterday to finish up some leftover spalted maple and birch. Cut them 4" thick x 4ft long. Gonna shove them in the kiln next week and see what happens.
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And a 10x10 birch for the wife's newest project. Some thing like a long hall table, 2 m&t joints, made from 3 pieces of an 8ft length. We'll see how that goes. :)
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Even a blind hog finds an acorn once in a while :).
I had a small world type of thing happen today. I was working today and we were at a fundraiser for an agency that raises funds to help the families of fallen and injured first responders in the St Louis area. I was sitting and talking with a fellow firefighter from a neighboring department. We were talking woodworking and showing each other things we had made. He then mentioned that there was a cutting board in the silent auction that he was hoping to win for his wife who really liked it. He told me what it was like and I told him I'd been selling wood to a lady who was making boards something like that. A while later he was taking me to the table to show me the board because he wanted to know about the resin that was used in it. As I was walking to the table I heard a voice say, "Hey I know you". It was my customer. Instantly I knew that the board he wanted was made by her.
we made coasters and boards to have a glass of wine on and maybe some snacks like meat and cheese (mini charcuterie) with the inland orchard vineyard logo on. I am getting low on my thin coaster stock. i made some at 1/4 inch, and some at closer to 1/8th. he likes the 1/8th. so need some more dried thin stock. took 4 days to dry last time. here is the other half of the big ugly maple log with beauty inside.
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my buddy Jim, is at least wearing gloves. he sawed a few minutes and i got a pic.
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had some bibbying work to do.
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19 wide by 24 inches tall.
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a bit of figure, and i hope it is in the other profile as well. there was a crotch in this area.
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a 1 inch side wood that will make a good 1 inch thick large charcuterie board with some interesting color and grain.
Are you saying Jim is 19" wide and 24" tall? :D
I started the day with a visit and shopping trip to the flea market with Sampson. I picked up 3 watermelons and the man said that is the last of the season. I guess we are the last melons anywhere and we don't find them every year. I got two very good ones from him last week. He works on a big sawmill operation over in Covington VA.
I returned to my sawing job a little after 11:00 and sawed till dark. I whittled away 8 logs for the day. Sawing, stacking, setting up new piles takes a long time for me. Also a neighbor of the customers came by to pick up a big plastic tote and I had to move my truck and I helped him load it.
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I had one short (7') RO log to saw and added a few 8' boards I'd trimmed out from others.
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I ended the day with 635 bf of 4/4 boards from 4" - 12" wide. I did learn a new technique I plan to continue to use.
For many years I had edged my flitches against the cant they came from. I find this gives me a much more stable surface to edge against. The downside is often when I get low on the cant and release the clamp to stand the flitches against the cant, because of tension and the reduced weight, the cant will rise up. For me that means either a lost or defective board as I have no way to pull it back down and trimming to remove the bow/dip will cost me one board as I had already started sawing the cant on a predetermined mark. What I decided today was instead of releasing the clamp I'd just saw to the rails then edge the flitches with no cant for support. This worked well and the cant did not rise up because I had the pressure from the clamp and the weight of the unstacked board. Before I moved the finished boards I realized they were just as stable as a cant so I just stood the flitches up against the stack of boards, clamped and edged as normal. If edging down to 6" I'd leave about 5-4/4 boards. If I found I needed to edge down to a 4" board I just stack the finished boards leaving 3. I can see no reason not to continue using a stack of boards instead of an unsawed cant and I see no difference in the stability. thumbs-up
Its so simple I see no reason I never thought of it before. ::)
Hopefully I will finish tomorrow as I need the mill here for a customer bringing several logs for 2X4s first thing Tuesday morning.
I think he is a little taller and a little wider! I ahsrpened the 046 without my readers. so it wtill was not that sharp, so we finished the biibying with the 880 an the 5 foot bar. it makes a nice straight line. I will stack and sticker in my small jig and put a couple fans to it in the shop. got to make hay when the sun is a shining. :D :D :D
nice stacks howard!
Quote from: doc henderson on October 10, 2021, 10:31:20 PMgot to make hay when the sun is a shining.
And the baler isn't on fire.>:(
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Wasn't sure how good the flash photography on my little digital camera but it was after 8:00 pm before I finished and packed up. Here are 2 new stacks of 12' & 10' and added some 7' & 8' to yesterdays stack. Looks like about 700 bf today to finish the job. I am a worn out puppy dog after the sawing, stacking, setting up stacks and fighting to get the logs from a 5 high stack to the mill. I even put a bunch of metal on the double stack from yesterday. The customer had a bunch of cut off pieces laying there so I went ahead and used it. I did not have time to cover today's stacks so that will be on the customer. I sawed one big 10' RO logs and had planned on some pretty 12" wide boards but there were several knotholes and so much punk I ended up throwing most of them on the trash heap and several of the others are aching for a River Table woodworker as a new owner. I am glad this one is in the books.
I have a customer coming in the morning to have 3-4 pine logs sawed into 2X4s so I had to finish and bring Mildred (Milly) home so delaying another day was not an option.
Quote from: Southside on October 10, 2021, 10:47:04 PMAnd the baler isn't on fire.>:(
Oh no, I hope this is not foreshadowing of a story to follow.
Doc,
When cutting to 1/8" do you have issues with splitting or breaking apart when working? The wood that is, not you
Needed some posts for a handrail. Allez, hop.
Done in less than hour. With changing a phase, because i rewired the saw with bigger wire lately. And i'm happy with the cable follower that i have done in july too.
Doesn't need to be that dry.
A trip to the lumberyard would take me more than that. And i did few other cuts to maximize the yield.
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My customer called to confirm I had my mill back and we were on as scheduled. He drove up Johnny on the Spot with these 4 logs off one pine tree and wanted only 2X4s. A piece of cake. Got 3 out of the little 10' and 27 out of the 12' logs but 2 had so much bark on them I did not charge for them. He may get some use out of them and I had to cut them to hit my marks anyway. He left before I got a finished picture but I had him back his truck up to the mill and we slid all of them and the slabs/edgings back into his truck. He and his son were good help, they took back everything but the sawdust and it was a real pleasant start to the day. I'll end up sawing for him again when he can get some more logs together. I could almost give up mobile sawing if I could do this regular.
BTW - this was one of my Flea Market contacts where I took the mill over for advertising and to sell a few benches and birdhouses and such. I sometimes get calls a year later after such a trip.
as long as the saw is cutting true, that is not a problem. i have cut 1/16th inch as a test of the mill and it does well, and is fun to look at holding it up to the sun. no way to dry it well, unless you made bentwood baskets or boxes or something. the 1/8th inch stuff is harder to dry and gets a little wavy on the edge with stickers in my setup centered on 7.5 inches.
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also trying to sticker cookes cut on a tangent. these went into my container with a DH, and fans. we had a nice rain with thunder a bit ago. the cant is shown ready to make some more pieces. this is the second half of the big 4 foot log/trunk we have been milling. was able to cut through 7 layers at a time to make them all about 24 inches ideally to fit in the engraver.
got some elp by my neighbor sawdust jimmy @Jim Thomas (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51700) . he did a lot of cleaning boards while a did the stickering in the shop.
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my thin stock rig for the 18 x 24 stuff.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on October 12, 2021, 12:28:28 PM
He and his son were good help, they took back everything but the sawdust and it was a real pleasant start to the day.
If they off bear as well as the guy bucks logs, it must have been good help. Those logs all look exactly the same length!
He said he was an old sawmiller. I think he used to run a Frick and said his son was off-bearing when he was about 7 y.o. When we started he told me he just wanted as many 2X4s as the logs would yield and a little bark was okay. Many times I've had a customer grab a board out of my flitch pile where I was going to edge off an inch or so to clean it up and he'd say "It is fine for what I'm using it for as it is." Those kind of customers are a joy to work with.
Between fetching logs, cutting off limbs and loading the trailer, I sawed a trailer load of eucalyptus slabs yesterday after work. I did not get any pictures since I was charging him by the hour. I had to Bibby a log or two. These logs had a lot of stress but sawed really flat. I was kind of dreading sawing them but they sawed a lot easier than live oak. We probably sawed 6-7 logs using cotton picker spindle lube to keep the blade clean and cool. The blade still has life and it was resharp from my friend, Earl. We will likely saw some more next week.
Saturday we will be sawing several water oak logs. I passed on a good job today for 2x4's because we don't have the logs to fill the order.
Quote from: caveman on October 14, 2021, 07:34:10 PMcutting off limbs
WHAT?? :o :o :o That sure didn't come across the way you intended it to. :D
Thankfully, I'm still intact. The logs that the customer purchased from his friend with the tree service that were dropped off in my pasture a couple of months ago still had some branch stubs (limbs) that needed to be trimmed (logs roll) were trimmed and the ends were cut back an inch or two to ensure I was not sawing into petrified wood. There is still a pretty good whack of eucalyptus to saw but he has to get his trailer unloaded and returned so we have somewhere to put the rest.
Been sawing up some pine for a neighbor since this past Saturday. Unfortunately we've only been able to saw a 2-4 hours a day with work and family commitments. Last night under the lights of our trucks we finished up all of the 8' stuff. We will start the 10' stuff, about 800bf, as soon as it stops raining. Not many pictures since we've been busting it when we have time. The woodmizer has been functioning well and we've averaged 140 bf/hr which is awesome considering the large logs are 10-14" on the big end.
All 4/4 x 4 1/2" and 6 1/2" for wall paneling, 1700 bf. Then 200 bf of 1 7/8" random width for door stock. The neighbor is building a cabin on his property in the UP.
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Quote from: doc henderson on October 12, 2021, 05:44:51 PM
as long as the saw is cutting true, that is not a problem. i have cut 1/16th inch as a test of the mill and it does well, and is fun to look at holding it up to the sun. no way to dry it well, unless you made bentwood baskets or boxes or something. the 1/8th inch stuff is harder to dry and gets a little wavy on the edge with stickers in my setup centered on 7.5 inches.
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also trying to sticker cookes cut on a tangent. these went into my container with a DH, and fans. we had a nice rain with thunder a bit ago. the cant is shown ready to make some more pieces. this is the second half of the big 4 foot log/trunk we have been milling. was able to cut through 7 layers at a time to make them all about 24 inches ideally to fit in the engraver.
got some elp by my neighbor sawdust jimmy @Jim Thomas (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51700) . he did a lot of cleaning boards while a did the stickering in the shop.
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my thin stock rig for the 18 x 24 stuff.
Hey Doc, I like the outdoor table made with the barrels!! You got any plans for making those?? LOL.
Today after lunch I tackled 3 pine logs. One being the ugliest log I've ever seen. Determined though, I was. It was 19" on the small end and 32" on the other. Did I say it was an ugly log? But, I managed to squeak a 16x14" cant along with about ten 8 to 12" wide boards.
Another pine yielded a 12x12 and the third produced a rotten center on one end so I only ended with a 5x12 and a whole bunch of random width.
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Did not touch these today before we ran out of time.
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Sawed the front 2 before/at dark. 8" wide boards out of the first and 16" wide out of the second one.
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The double curves cost us some lumber but I still got quite a few 10" wide boards out of this one.
I went over 15 miles away and set up and started sawing about 4:30 pm or so. If we get a break in the weather (70% chance of rain predicted tomorrow) I'll go over and saw the other 6 and if not I'll get them Sunday afternoon. Several times repeat customer.
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It was after dark when I finished and did not get a tally yet. Took this picture in the dark. All boards are 7/8" thick and up to 16" wide. The customer asked if I could cut 7/8" thick lumber so I checked my cheat sheet. No need and 7/8" is a simple 1" setting on my SS and probably the easiest possible lumber to saw. We got some pretty RO lumber out of these logs.
Resawed some chestnut yesterday.
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Quote from: DWyatt on October 15, 2021, 03:22:39 PM
Been sawing up some pine for a neighbor since this past Saturday. Unfortunately we've only been able to saw a 2-4 hours a day with work and family commitments. Last night under the lights of our trucks we finished up all of the 8' stuff. We will start the 10' stuff, about 800bf, as soon as it stops raining. Not many pictures since we've been busting it when we have time. The woodmizer has been functioning well and we've averaged 140 bf/hr which is awesome considering the large logs are 10-14" on the big end.
All 4/4 x 4 1/2" and 6 1/2" for wall paneling, 1700 bf. Then 200 bf of 1 7/8" random width for door stock. The neighbor is building a cabin on his property in the UP.
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Yer customer gotta get in contact with one of my frequent customers. I saw for him in da UP and he hauls it back ta Ohio. :D
Heading out to mill up two monster Ponderosa pine logs today. Logzillas siblings ;)
We had rain all morning but cleared up so I went back over and sawed the remaining 6 small to medium oak logs. I left my camera in my hunting coat as today was Youth/Senior hunting day and I'd forgotten to take it out.
I sawed about 600 bf the last 2 days and packed up and brought the mill home. I'll saw a log or two here then will be time for the 1,000 hour service. Great customer and about 4th time I've sawed for him.
Here is a 30 second time-lapse of what I was milling
Time-lapse from today just for fun - YouTube (https://youtu.be/V9ZeTsA71-s)
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I was back to sawing SYP framing lumber, 1464bf of mostly 2X4's with 17 1X12's thrown in. I was finished and loaded up by 3:00.
This will all be loaded onto a trailer and hauled about 150 miles and used for building a horse barn.
Note: This job was sawn with a Wood-Mizer Doublehard 1½" X 7° Turbo (39) blade. More on that in another topic.
Started sawing a big red oak with my dad this weekend. It was 68 inches at the widest point. About 41 inches or so at the base and like 29 inches at the top. We cut the slabs 20 ft 6 inches long and 4 inches thick. We got a couple short slabs off the top and then three 20 ft slabs out after that. Probably 4 left in the log, hopefully I can finish it off this weekend or next.
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Perfect mobile job - 8 miles from home, poplar, 10' top made into 4/4 boards and other 3 - 12' longs made into 2X6's. I doesn't get much better than that. My mill turned over 1,000 hours while sawing this job. Just about 170,500 bf total during that time so just over 170 bf/ engine hour.
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We slid off the lumber on to this trailer till we figured we had all it was safe to carry and the customer just slid the rest off the end of the mill and will stack it tomorrow when he has help. as we drove around the big hay field behind his house to these log we cut off 7 big gobblers who flew into the woods behind the field.
When we finished my son showed up and helped load up. How come the "help" always shows up after the last log has been sawed?
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I drove over to my son's house 2 miles from the customer's set up. We sawed this 16' hemlock and got 4-2X6's out of it.
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We sawed the 2 logs on the right and made more 10' 2X6's. We started to saw the logs on the left into 4/4 sheeting but my band broke and we were out of time as my son had to go to a ball game with the rest of the family. Our 15 y/o gd is in the band.
They are going to Dollywood tomorrow so I brought their retarded dog home with me for the weekend. The next time I am sawing in the area I'll stop and we'll saw the rest into sheeting and such. I got home just before dark and will do my 1,000 hour service on the mill tomorrow and start on the next job about 14 miles away for 2-3 days as I have to cut and stack it.
My sawing today was just that. A day's sawing.
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Some good but mostly too knotty to even bother with.
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Here is another one being dragged to the burn pile. The cut list for for only 1X7's. I ended the day with 1636 bf and I forgot to take a picture. The best thing was that I finished.
The other best thing is that next Thursday
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I am scheduled to saw this. The butt is 36" X 29". He said probably 8 logs. :)
Looks good all around. I did my 1,000 hour service today and realized it is time to change the hydraulic filter and I did not have a replacement so I'll see if my local Advance Auto has one and if not I'll order one from WM and put it on next week.
Quote from: Magicman on October 23, 2021, 09:34:52 PM
The other best thing is that next Thursday
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I am scheduled to saw this. The butt is 36" X 29". He said probably 8 logs. :)
Lynn,
Is that Black Walnut?
hugs, Brandi
Absolutely !!! 8)
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Hey, very nice. I had a couple of ATV/walking bridges similar to that but they washed away. ::)
Quote from: Magicman on October 24, 2021, 08:13:50 AM
Hey, very nice. I had a couple of ATV/walking bridges similar to that but they washed away. ::)
As you go deep into my woods it turns into a swampy watershed with veins leading to a brook from everywhere! It doesn't look like much under the bridge but I assure it's a swampy mess if you tried to drive through! Can't have that. I don't believe this one will wash away though lol not enough water steaming
It was medical day yesterday at my house. Brian (CRNA) and his son Dexter came over to get some material to cover a wall and make shelves for an iguana enclosure. then Dr. Fan (pain medicine) and Dr. Hagley (cardiology) cam over and we milled up a peach tree. Mike @Cardiodoc (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51488) will dry it in a drying room he has in his shop.
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the last pic is the rest of the maple cut to 1/4 inch stock to dry for coaster stock. after this the neighbor having a birthday, stopped by for a beer.
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The fellow I sawed eucalyptus for a few weeks ago sent me a few pictures. He does amazing wood work, owns a Nyle kiln, a 15' CNC flattening table but no mill. I would have used a lot more stickers but he has good results. He was really pleased how they turned out, including the stress cracks which allow him to get creative with epoxy.The guy with the man bun works for the customer. Those are live oaks in the background.
Quote from: Magicman on October 24, 2021, 07:25:24 AM
Absolutely !!! 8)
I have only seen it once. Back when I was helping Dad cut up firewood for their stove. But once you see it, you won't forget it.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: doc henderson on October 24, 2021, 08:37:47 AM
It was medical day yesterday at my house. Brian (CRNA) and his son Dexter came over to get some material to cover a wall and make shelves for an eguanna enclosure. then Dr. Fan (pain medicine) and Dr. Hagley (cardiology) cam over and we milled up a peach tree. Mike @Cardiodoc (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51488) will dry it in a drying room he has in his shop.
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the last pic is the rest of the maople cut to 1/4 inch stock to dry for coaster stock. after this the neighbor having a birthday, stopped by for a beer.
Doc,
What is maople? Is it like maople syrup? LOL
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Bindian on October 24, 2021, 01:21:32 PMWhat is maople? Is it like maople syrup? LOL
hugs, Brandi
It's Maple that needs strong glasses to see the sun.
What's an eguanna?
:D :D :D
Maybe it's one of those complicated words like: "shark-shootery boards". ;D
WOW :o tough crowd! :) :) :) it was early! I'm old. I'm tired!
Quote from: doc henderson on October 24, 2021, 02:07:00 PM
WOW :o tough crowd! :) :) :) it was early! I'm old. I'm tired!
:D :D :D
hugs, Brandi
I replaced my Yanmar's electric pump Friday. Yesterday, I finished sawing ERC 1x3 baseboards.
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I kept a few odd leftovers.
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Also saved all the sawdust.
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hugs, Brandi
Just teasin' ya doc. smiley_jester
thanks all. a bit of kidding around is perceived by me as a compliment. I have probably poked you all a time or two as well. God Bless. Doc! :)
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on October 22, 2021, 09:00:34 PM
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Perfect mobile job - 8 miles from home, poplar, 10' top made into 4/4 boards and other 3 - 12' longs made into 2X6's. I doesn't get much better than that. My mill turned over 1,000 hours while sawing this job. Just about 170,500 bf total during that time so just over 170 bf/ engine hour.
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We slid off the lumber on to this trailer till we figured we had all it was safe to carry and the customer just slid the rest off the end of the mill and will stack it tomorrow when he has help. as we drove around the big hay field behind his house to these log we cut off 7 big gobblers who flew into the woods behind the field.
When we finished my son showed up and helped load up. How come the "help" always shows up after the last log has been sawed?
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I drove over to my son's house 2 miles from the customer's set up. We sawed this 16' hemlock and got 4-2X6's out of it.
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We sawed the 2 logs on the right and made more 10' 2X6's. We started to saw the logs on the left into 4/4 sheeting but my band broke and we were out of time as my son had to go to a ball game with the rest of the family. Our 15 y/o gd is in the band.
They are going to Dollywood tomorrow so I brought their retarded dog home with me for the weekend. The next time I am sawing in the area I'll stop and we'll saw the rest into sheeting and such. I got home just before dark and will do my 1,000 hour service on the mill tomorrow and start on the next job about 14 miles away for 2-3 days as I have to cut and stack it.
what breed would that be? :D
Got an edumacation, and now know what an "eguanna enclosure" is all about. Thanks Doc 8)
Had me thinking it was "egguanna enclosure" and some kind of chicken coop with egg collection device. So looked it up..
Brandi,
I don't want to alarm you but it looks like a vicious dog is sneaking up on your cedar stack in the first picture. It looks like he is getting ready to pounce. :D
Quote from: doc henderson on October 24, 2021, 03:00:12 PM
thanks all. a bit of kidding around is perceived by me as a compliment. I have probably poked you all a time or two as well. God Bless. Doc! :)
.............poked you all........................
Dang Doc, get some rest. You ARE tired.
hugs, Brandi
Doc lives in a unique part of Kansas where they have an amazing variety of Maple, some of it closely resembles oak. :D
Quote from: richhiway on October 24, 2021, 05:39:33 PM
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on October 22, 2021, 09:00:34 PM
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Perfect mobile job - 8 miles from home, poplar, 10' top made into 4/4 boards and other 3 - 12' longs made into 2X6's. I doesn't get much better than that. My mill turned over 1,000 hours while sawing this job. Just about 170,500 bf total during that time so just over 170 bf/ engine hour.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/38064/IMG_2815.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1634949616)
We slid off the lumber on to this trailer till we figured we had all it was safe to carry and the customer just slid the rest off the end of the mill and will stack it tomorrow when he has help. as we drove around the big hay field behind his house to these log we cut off 7 big gobblers who flew into the woods behind the field.
When we finished my son showed up and helped load up. How come the "help" always shows up after the last log has been sawed?
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I drove over to my son's house 2 miles from the customer's set up. We sawed this 16' hemlock and got 4-2X6's out of it.
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We sawed the 2 logs on the right and made more 10' 2X6's. We started to saw the logs on the left into 4/4 sheeting but my band broke and we were out of time as my son had to go to a ball game with the rest of the family. Our 15 y/o gd is in the band.
They are going to Dollywood tomorrow so I brought their retarded dog home with me for the weekend. The next time I am sawing in the area I'll stop and we'll saw the rest into sheeting and such. I got home just before dark and will do my 1,000 hour service on the mill tomorrow and start on the next job about 14 miles away for 2-3 days as I have to cut and stack it.
what breed would that be? :D
Here he is.
https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=115797.msg1831678#msg1831678
And he is not getting any smarter. All night long I hear my wife go "Ooof. Ouch. Teddy, get off of me." He jumps up on her then he goes and sleeps on her pillow and if she has to get up at night she has to get out on my side of the bed because the dog is on the other side.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on October 24, 2021, 07:54:01 PM
Brandi,
I don't want to alarm you but it looks like a vicious dog is sneaking up on your cedar stack in the first picture. It looks like he is getting ready to pounce. :D
That's just Fritz making sure nothing will reach out and grab my leg. He barks at leaves falling.
hugs, Brandi
Finished up the pine sawing job this weekend. No pictures other than the customer's truck leaving with 900 bf of 10' long 4/4 boards for cabin wall paneling. Total for the job was about 2800 bf of 4/4 and some 8/4 plus 4 logs that were made completely into stickers. All of this came from 40 small logs.
I'm not sure what's in that pine saw dust, by my eye lids are so swollen it looks like they're half way shut and they're red and itchy. Last week when sawing, my whole face and neck broke out into a rash that lasted a couple days. I'm glad this job is done.
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@Old Greenhorn (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=42103) had issues with pine dust I believe a while back. He had the rash issues but I don't recall eye swelling.
if it is a contact dermatitis, you can try some 1% hydrocortisone over the counter. I have delt with allergy to our paper masks for the last 6 months. I had to move on to betamethazone (high potency) steroid.
Sawed some nice looking cherry yesterday afternoon.
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Quote from: samandothers on October 25, 2021, 10:31:16 AM
@Old Greenhorn (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=42103) had issues with pine dust I believe a while back. He had the rash issues but I don't recall eye swelling.
Yup I did, and Yup, I do still, BUT if I am very careful about using the cream as Doc says, washing up as soon as possible (a hose in the summer is nice, but no so great this time of year) and wearing long sleeves when at all possible, I seem to keep it in check. Missing any of those steps makes it worse. Now it generally goes away in a day or so and never gets crazy like it did before.
Quote from: VB-Milling on October 25, 2021, 11:12:53 AMSawed some nice looking cherry yesterday afternoon.
Very Nice my Friend. smiley_thumbsup
Quote from: Bindian on October 24, 2021, 11:31:44 PM
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on October 24, 2021, 07:54:01 PM
Brandi,
I don't want to alarm you but it looks like a vicious dog is sneaking up on your cedar stack in the first picture. It looks like he is getting ready to pounce. :D
That's just Fritz making sure nothing will reach out and grab my leg. He barks at leaves falling.
hugs, Brandi
Fritz looks an awful lot like a dog my children grew up with. Turned out that she was a Carolina Dog. A breed of dogs very common in NC, SC and Georgia. They are a very old breed that apparently migrated across the land bridge from Asia to North America with the people who did the same. Ours turned up as a puppy at my in-law's house. My FIL said, "Ted you should take that dog home for your children." I've always kept it to myself but that was an odd coincidence. Dinky was one of the very best dogs we have ever owned. :)
Quote from: VB-Milling on October 25, 2021, 11:12:53 AM
Sawed some nice looking cherry yesterday afternoon.
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Cherry is one of my favorites to mill. It cuts well and is beautiful! That looks very nice!
Quote from: SawyerTed on October 25, 2021, 03:42:41 PM
Cherry is one of my favorites to mill. It cuts well and is beautiful! That looks very nice!
I agree Ted. Wish I had much more of it! The list is short (cherry, cedar, loblolly pine, hickory, walnut, paulownia, white oak, maple), but of what I've sawed so far, cherry is my favorite. Probably next would be paulownia because of how easy it is to move the slabs :D
Ted,
First I must publicly apologize for doubting your "Carolina Dog" post and I felt like one leg was getting longer than the other but when I checked I found there is such a K-9 as described. I personally think Brandi's dog looks a little on the small side per the descriptions listed but it could be a mix. I am sure Fritz is a happy sawmill dog and Brandi is happy with him just as I am with Sampson and others with their best furry friends.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on October 25, 2021, 04:30:15 PM
Ted,
First I must publicly apologize for doubting your "Carolina Dog" post and I felt like one leg was getting longer than the other ...
My friend, this makes me laugh and I mean belly laugh! To have one of the best "fibricators", truth elongators and tall tale giants taken in by the truth!
Here's my daughter, Maggie, with Dinky.
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Finally had a few hours to fire up the mill today. First Hemlock
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log of the 10X12 planer shed.
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Started back milling today so I had to break in the new help. Bridget 4 1/2 month old Golden.
Ted,
That is the very reason I first questioned it. :-[ It sounded like a tale I would have told and I was quite impressed thinking "Wow, this guy is good. That sounds almost good enough to be true!". :D What is it they say - A con artist is the easiest person to con?
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on October 25, 2021, 04:30:15 PM
Ted,
First I must publicly apologize for doubting your "Carolina Dog" post and I felt like one leg was getting longer than the other but when I checked I found there is such a K-9 as described. I personally think Brandi's dog looks a little on the small side per the descriptions listed but it could be a mix. I am sure Fritz is a happy sawmill dog and Brandi is happy with him just as I am with Sampson and others with their best furry friends.
Fritz is a very solid 30 pounds. He is not on the small side. He is short. Who's per the descriptions listed?
Fritz was suppose to be healer shepherd cross, but I think he has more corgi than shepherd. He will try to herd you, and does that to the ducks, until they get enough of him and fly off.
hugs, Brandi
Fibricator? Old yarn-spinner from North Florida with an Auburn smudge?
Certainly.
Quote from: Bindian on October 26, 2021, 12:06:23 AM
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on October 25, 2021, 04:30:15 PM
Ted,
First I must publicly apologize for doubting your "Carolina Dog" post and I felt like one leg was getting longer than the other but when I checked I found there is such a K-9 as described. I personally think Brandi's dog looks a little on the small side per the descriptions listed but it could be a mix. I am sure Fritz is a happy sawmill dog and Brandi is happy with him just as I am with Sampson and others with their best furry friends.
Fritz is a very solid 30 pounds. He is not on the small side. He is short. Who's per the descriptions listed?
Fritz was suppose to be healer shepherd cross, but I think he has more corgi than shepherd. He will try to herd you, and does that to the ducks, until they get enough of him and fly off.
hugs, Brandi
Brandi,
I have been telling folks the same thing for years - "I'm not too fat I'm just too short".
For my south Ga Dogbreath friend who doubts the veracity of such standards they are enclosed in the breed standards listed here:
https://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/carolina-dog/
Seems the dog should weigh between 45-55 lbs which is heavier than Fritz. I am sure your Fritz is like my Sampson and you love him no matter what others may think about him.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on October 26, 2021, 09:20:14 AM
Quote from: Bindian on October 26, 2021, 12:06:23 AM
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on October 25, 2021, 04:30:15 PM
Ted,
First I must publicly apologize for doubting your "Carolina Dog" post and I felt like one leg was getting longer than the other but when I checked I found there is such a K-9 as described. I personally think Brandi's dog looks a little on the small side per the descriptions listed but it could be a mix. I am sure Fritz is a happy sawmill dog and Brandi is happy with him just as I am with Sampson and others with their best furry friends.
Fritz is a very solid 30 pounds. He is not on the small side. He is short. Who's per the descriptions listed?
Fritz was suppose to be healer shepherd cross, but I think he has more corgi than shepherd. He will try to herd you, and does that to the ducks, until they get enough of him and fly off.
hugs, Brandi
Brandi,
I have been telling folks the same thing for years - "I'm not too fat I'm just too short".
I am sure your Fritz is like my Sampson and you love him no matter what others may think about him.
Howard,
WHO,,,,,,are you calling fat?????????????????????????
hugs, Brandi
Oh NO! This taking a wrong turn very quickly! :P
Milled a red oak log this morning for a repeat customer. 300 BF total, all sawed to 5/4. Got 2 - 18"x12', 2 - 14"x12', and the rest 10"x12'. I was going to saw the majority of it to 18" wide but reconsidered when I gave a little more thought to the age and health of the customer's brother, who will be the final recipient of this mornings endeavor. After sawing the log I felled another tree for her and will go back and get if later for my own use. She nor her brother want it. I'll get an 9' and a 10' by 16" logs out of it. There is also another log 8'x24". I worked by myself and billed by the hour. Total bill was $180. She paid me $350 plus the logs I left there to collect later. Not a bad mornings work. I didn't take any pictures.
No sawing for me today but getting the sawmill ready for Thursday. Some of the cam followers on my operator's seat had been dragging a bit so for the first time ever, it now has 8 new cam followers. Actually 7 because one was getting a free ride and not touching the rail.
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The seat now rolls much smoother/quieter and will put much less drag on the power feed. This is the first time that I have ever installed even one new cam follower on the seat. My normal is to take worn cam followers from the saw head and install them on the seat. Some of those shown in the background were plenty wobbly.
Brandi,
I was pretty sure I said I was not too fat just too short. I don't know how that could be taken any other way. Now these other nay-sayers are out their sharpening their scythes and pitchforks and lighting their torches and getting ready to storm the castle. I am confident Sampson will protect me - unless one of them comes with a piece of bologna or one of those little Wal-Mart 50 cent pies. If so he will abandon me quicker than the blink of an eye.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on October 26, 2021, 07:51:16 PM
Brandi,
I was pretty sure I said I was not too fat just too short. I don't know how that could be taken any other way. Now these other nay-sayers are out their sharpening their scythes and pitchforks and lighting their torches and getting ready to storm the castle. I am confident Sampson will protect me - unless one of them comes with a piece of bologna or one of those little Wal-Mart 50 cent pies. If so he will abandon me quicker than the blink of an eye.
Howard: So, you are saying your dog can be easily bribed. Good to know.
Brandi: He's a teenie bit pudgy. He has a lot of company.
GAB
And when I go to a buffet and someone suggests I check out the salad bar I tell them "I did not fight my way to the top of the food chain to eat lettuce!"
When someone says I need to get in shape I tell them "Round is a shape." When they talk about 6 pack abs I tell them I just went for the whole keg.
I sawed up some sugar maple today in trade to a friend that hauled my dump truck. We are going to use it for planks on his low bed trailer. I told him oak or hemlock logs would be best but, this is what he had. Awfully pretty wood to be driving his machinery on.
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Walnut this evening. First I have done, it appeared to be pretty decent stuff.
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It's not a big whack maybe 150 bf when sawn, out of 3 smallish logs.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on October 26, 2021, 07:51:16 PM
Brandi,
I was pretty sure I said I was not too fat just too short. I don't know how that could be taken any other way. Now these other nay-sayers are out their sharpening their scythes and pitchforks and lighting their torches and getting ready to storm the castle. I am confident Sampson will protect me - unless one of them comes with a piece of bologna or one of those little Wal-Mart 50 cent pies. If so he will abandon me quicker than the blink of an eye.
Howard,
The way you ramble around, we just can't be sure.
hugs, Brandi
@LeeB (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=46) Happy Birthday!
Sawed a nice Sycamore up yesterday after work. Not the best pictures but we were in a hurry to beat dark. Had to get mill put away before this afternoons rain!
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The log belonged to a young fella that has a tree service and is learning to be a woodworker as well. His father and I have traded some logs/wood in the past. I believe the best two slabs are going to be a bar top. Brian
Sawed some real skinny cedar logs last night and that paulownia that was staged on the mill from Sunday. None was really worth sawing, but its good practice and I saw for myself, so I'm only wasting my time and money :D
Got some decent trim boards out of the cedars for more planter boxes in the spring.
Thinking I might make some all paulownia planter boxes...the neighbor who provides the endless supply of logs has expressed interest in purchasing one for his backyard.
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Quote from: olcowhand on October 27, 2021, 05:12:02 AM
@LeeB (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=46) Happy Birthday!
Thank you sir.
Quote from: Magicman on October 26, 2021, 06:39:16 PM
my operator's seat had been dragging a bit so for the first time ever
Lynn,
Glad you cut back on your sawing. When you over do it you do feel like your butt's draggin! :)
I'll find out tomorrow when I slice into this butt:
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;D
Looking forward to it Magicman
I drove over to saw for a repeat customer 16 miles away. Was going on Friday but bad weather is predicted so he asked me to come early.
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I set the mill up in a wide spot in his gravel drive to keep from killing the grass. We set up right in front of his future workshop where they were going to store the wood so no double handling involved. The first, 23", pine log is on the arms to become 6X6 (later changed to 5.5" X 5.5") post. It is good they measured the brackets before we got too far along. he needed 23 posts and I got him 24.
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The big pine logs in front, being lifted, became posts and 2X6's. Behind are red spruce logs I am sawing into boards for B&B walls.
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These poplar, some pretty small, became 4/4 nailers for the metal roof. All these are sawed now except the small cedars in the middle. I had the worst problem with sawdust clogging my chute that I remember from this green poplar (They cut them yesterday.)
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It was too late to tally when we finished about 11.5 hours after we started. I am confident we have over 2,000 bf. The stickers came off the first pine logs we sawed. I had good help from my customer, his dad (where the logs are located) and even my lawyer who lives on the next farm over and is a business partner with the dad.
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There are 23 more red spruce logs here to saw plus the 3 little cedar log. I was speculating whether we could finish tomorrow if the weather cooperates then the customer told me he has 9 more logs in another pile. I hate it when I get my hopes up to finish then the customer starts dragging out more logs or even goes and cuts another tree or two, ::)
The mill ran good except for the sawdust constipation and one time it shut off. I had flashbacks to my bad coil then found I had just pulled the gas line out of the tank. That was an easy fix.
When i saw the customer hauling slabs and edging over to the big trailer in the 3rd picture I told him "If we'd been smart we'd have just parked the trailer where we made the slab pile below the mill. Of course I did not know he was going to load them in the trailer or I'd have suggested that.
I'll return tomorrow but I am afraid we will get called for rain before we finish this job which looks like about another day and a half of hard sawing. We were all real well pleased with today's sawing and lumber.
Any day spent sawing Walnut is a good day, but I did not saw any "log" that would roll. ;D
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Starting with this butt log.
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That was nowhere close to being able to roll.
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Shown here with my tailgunner who only a couple of years ago weighed 518 pounds !!! :o
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Which turned out some amazing one live edge 24" X 2¼" slabs.
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Next up was this Halloween Hobgoblin. :o
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Which also turned out some purdy stuff.
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The trailer was loaded plus
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A whack stickered for the next trip.
I did saw one other log which was not Walnut..
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OK, who wants to make the first 'wrong' guess. ;D
Lynn,
I won't bite on that one without more of the bark showing.
I met my customer again at 7:30 a.m. with threatening rain and 30 or so logs to saw. We started with several medium walnut logs which returned some pretty wood then went back to sawing red spruce which was very challenging. I went through 2 blades yesterday and 6 today.
I sawed hard all day and never even stopped for lunch, water or a cold soda (Where I grew up they were all called Cokes no matter whether they were actually a Coke, Pepsi, RC or Nehi). I had good help, mostly the customer and his dad but my lawyer helped a while too.
We sawed till nearly 6:00 pm finishing with a small cedar the customer had found. When we finished the customer asked me to guess how much lumber we had cut so I gave him a conservative but reasonable guess. He said instead of tallying all this how about I pay you for 20% more than your guesstimate. I was fine with that and we both did well.
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This was the final stack. Walnut by the cooler, spruce in front, poplar and pine in back. This shop foundation is about 4' tall and 20 ' wide and probably 30-36 ft long. Its not perfectly stickered (Not all exactly aligned) but pretty good. At the front are some small green poplars I sawed 2 sides at 6" thick and they put them on top of the 16" square blocks for dunnage.
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A different view. It was just before dark and was starting to rain as I loaded up and took these pix.
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Not the volume or quality of cedar many of you get to saw but the rain on this fresh cut cedar sure made it pretty. The are 1X7 board and only 6-7 ft long on the big end and taper to 3-4 inches on the little end.
I got home and got everything covered and will unload tomorrow and saw a small poplar order if it ever stops raining. We are scheduled for several days of rain and have have several more jobs in backlog to schedule and do.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on October 28, 2021, 08:40:54 PMI won't bite on that one without more of the bark showing.
Nope, what you see is all that you will see but there are some strong hints there.
Actually that is the only picture that I have sooooo......;D
My first thought is elm and second guess would be pecan.
I've been wrong before...my guess is a juniper.
Acer negundo ;D
El box elder rojo. fred_head ;D
I believe that color is actually from an infection or fungus, as it's not what one would naturally think it is based on what is there. More importantly it's what isn't there. It's a deja-vu, a gimpse in the corner of your eye, a flash of light, a glancing shadow, one of them, the they. I have seen it before and it will survive the kiln which is pretty cool.
Lynn,
My first wrong guess is Hickory.
hugs, Brandi
Cut some ERC and first time cutting Sycamore .
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Quote from: Poquo on October 29, 2021, 07:30:21 AM
Cut some ERC and first time cutting Sycamore .
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Some good looking wide boards!
Southside's response was spot on as to why, and LeeB's was spot on as to what. Yes, Elm. :P
This was a sorta burl so there had to be an 'occurance' sometime in the past. I have also seen that bacterial red in Pine & Oak and it is quite attractive. When they turned the board over I though....what, Box Elder, but I knew that I was sawing Elm. Looking at the wood itself, I can easily understand the Pecan or Hickory guesses.
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Started back milling today so I had to break in the new help. Bridget 4 1/2 month old Golden.
Beautiful Dog
My customer the last 2 days has a blue heeler mix. He was a neat dog and loved to climb on the logs and even the lumber pile which was 4-5 ft tall. When I turned on my electric leaf blower to blow the sawdust off the mill he tried to bite the leaf blower so I cooled his fleas a bit while he snapped at the air and blower tip. My customer says his leaf blower is full of holes where the dog has bitten the snout on it.
our old healer (scout) would bite at the turning lawn mower wheels and just about roll over as we mowed.
Quote from: doc henderson on October 29, 2021, 11:07:10 AM
our old healer (scout) would bite at the turning lawn mower wheels and just about roll over as we mowed.
Years ago, we had a German Shepard that would bit the front tire of our mini bike. We would just keep going and roll over him as he let go. Mom said he was trying to stop us from hurting ourselves.
hugs, Brandi
Had an Old English Bulldog that would attack the vacuum nozzle, might have been brought on by some encouragement on the part of the bachelor vacuum operator. Anyway it made for an interesting response the first time it happened to my my girlfriend turned wife. :D
well Southside, i am sure if she stuck with you, that bull dog was nothin. :snowball: :snowball: :) :) :D :D
You should have seen the time he latched onto a clump of celery she got out of the fridge. No idea why he did it, definitely not something I had ever seen him do, but they were in a tug of war over it with Pudgie winning and me laughing so hard I couldn't intervene. He was actually pulling her across the floor! :D She still laughs about it.
I unloaded and set up the mill in the pasture and in between rain showers I bucked a 26' poplar into 3-8' logs and cut 2 of them into 4/4 boards for a neighbor who wants to build a 16' long wall with them.
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These are the 2 I cut up.
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Just over 201 bf. I threw the slabs and edgings on the tractor forks and took them to my big slab pile. I'll probably go through the pile tomorrow and salvage a couple dozen good clear stickers. I should have set them aside as sawing but I was rushed for time and the rain had started back. I'll run up to the customers house 1/4 mile up the road and let him pick what he wants and deliver it on my trailer behind my ATV. I just slid the lumber off on the sawhorses and was easy handing. Of course 8' 4/4 boards is never very much trouble to work with.
WVsawmiller, It seems you saw a lot of poplar. Yellow poplar I presume. That must be a common tree in your area but not so where I am. In all the years I've been sawing I've only sawed lumber from one yellow poplar tree.
Yes, yellow/tulip poplar is probably almost half of what I saw. It grows fast and commonly in the hollers which are very plentiful in WV. It makes good lumber and the Forestry gurus pointed out at a workshop I did for them a couple years ago that it is similar in strength with pine for framing and such. I have excess poplar I am willing to thin/harvest on my property so, in a case like this, when I am providing the lumber that is most likely what the customer has to choose from. My oaks, cherries, walnut, and hickories are more valuable to me for my wildlife than the value of the lumber I would get. I'll salvage one of them if it dies or blows over but rarely cut a standing green tree except poplar and a stand of Norway Spruce (Overaged Christmas tree farm) off my place.
Smiley waiting for customers to pic up pine board orders this morning.
She's got her bone out to show them when they get here :D
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John and I have had a few sweetgum logs we have been waiting on to spalt. We sawed a short one and it looked good so we proceeded to saw three more 8' logs into 2 3/8" slabs. If they dry relatively flat they will be easy to sell. If they don't, we can burn them.
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Quote from: caveman on October 30, 2021, 03:40:43 PM. . If they dry relatively flat they will be easy to sell. If they don't, we can burn them. . . .
When you say things like that Kyle, I do believe you might have a bit of "Canadian" in your family tree. :D
Eh! We also sawed our very first walnut logs today. They were both huge :D, 24" long. They were for my uncle, who is an accomplished woodworker. Most were sawn to 4/4 and a couple at 2 3/8 and 3".
We need to find a few more pine logs to fill our 4x4 order.
How long did the Gum sit for? In my experience letting it do that for 6 months to a year, and staying away from the pith and things turn out quite acceptable.
We got it several months ago and had been cut down months before that. We have had decent results letting sweetgum sit around until the bark slips and it begins to spalt. We may have rushed this one a bit but the last one I had, I let it sit too long waiting for it to spalt and it turned to mush and ended up going to the burn pile. We sawed several 2 3/8" cookies out of the cut offs on these logs. I suspect they will crack but we'll see. An intact 20"+ spalted cookie will be worth something.
A little after 9:00 a.m. my neighbor who bought the poplar lumber yesterday rang my doorbell and said his wife loved the lumber and wanted the same amount more. I had one more 8' log off the tree so I got out late morning and loaded it on the mill and sawed it into 4/4 boards. I got 10 - 1X12s and the rest narrower. He needed 16 running feet of 8' lumber so I was about 2' short and spliced out with some of the leftovers from yesterday then I took it up to his house 1/4 mile away and dropped it off. I saw he had used the rest on a shed he was building for his car and had nailed it up in a horizontal fashion. I thought he was going to install it B&B and I still think that would have looked much better but I just saw the lumber and I'm not the carpenter. ::) If he is happy with it All is good.
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Sawed and ready for delivery.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on October 31, 2021, 03:50:30 PM
...but I just saw the lumber and I'm not the carpenter.
Keeping with tradition, I always blame the previous trade for any issues...The problem is its always me :D ;D :D
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I started on this stack 14.6 miles from home today. I already sawed a stack at this customers home 18 miles on the other side of me. There looks to be about 60 logs here and I have no helper provided. That is the Greenbrier River in the background. The customer is a builder and built a beautiful retreat here. The last time I sawed for him here I had to ford a foot of water to retrieve my mill when the river got up. He has don't lots of improvement to grounds and drainage since my last trip.
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an 8' stack of 4/4 boards. The stacks are 4' wide. I have a good supply of stickers at the end due to a punky poplar log I just couldn't see making decent boards but it produced some nice stickers. I added a battery powered 6-1/2" circular saw to my tool list and am using it to cut stickers and cut the flare off boards. I'd rather produce a good clean 8'X 1"X10" than a 10' 1X6. I see I need to get more batteries although I am pretty sure I can charge some at the house 50 yards away.
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10' stack of 4/4 board 48" wide. I had 4 sycamore logs to cut first and I know they twist badly but they were not big enough to justify quarter sawing but they made some pretty lumber. They are on the bottom of the stack so hopefully the weight will help.
Total for the day after a late start and having to set up, cut stickers and stack lumber was 580 bf. I see several more days hanging out here but rain is forecast most of the week so I'm not looking for a quick finish. If it goes into the weekend and weather permits I may try to snag a 13 year old son of a neighbor. He's not big but he is one of the hardest working kids and after a few minutes he may be running the mill.
I buck my sticker logs to 49 inches. Then mill them. Way easier than trying to cut alot of loose 1x1s to that length.
Before I would cut a long log down to 1x1s, then tywrap them in a bundle, then chainsaw them to length.
hugs, Brandi
Brandi,
That works fine at your home site with a tractor, skid steer and/or a lull to load your sticker log (which is what I do at home also) but less so when you are mobile and your only MHE is a cant hook and MagicHook which is all I have available. The log was the next in line on the pile and had to be processed if just to get it out of the way and when it became apparent after slabbing deeply that the log was not going to make good lumber I opted for stickers to at least salvage something from it and because I was going to need them anyway. I also try to get the customers to provide a short, scrap log to saw into stickers but there is nobody there but me and its either saw it or move it by hand or stop the job and wait for the customer to come move it. Making stickers seemed the best option in my case/opinion.
I am finding cutting the stickers on the site with the battery powered circular saw is much easier than using my 441 Sthil chainsaw with a 24" bar.
Howard, what brand is our circular saw? I have DeWalt 20v stuff. I picked up a DeWalt 12v car lighter charger. Wasn't cheap but I used it all summer at my cabin build. I have a little deep cycle battery in my bath house (solar charged) and I think it charged faster than a 120v house fast charger. Well worth the investment. With the solar disconnected, I monitored the deep cycle battery voltage. Charging a bunch of 5amphr batteries didn't make a dent in it so I think running from your vehicle or your mill would be just fine.
This is a HF Brauer brand (if I spelled it right) 20V saw. I already had a couple of cordless drills, angle grinder and my leaf blower that used that same battery and charger system. I got several 120V electric chargers with it when I bought them so that was the incentive to get this one. A 12V plug in system would be nice but the customer's house is close and I bet he has an outside plug I could hook into to keep cycling between them. Of course, other than cutting the end off a barky board or two I should not need it for a while. I figure it will also be handy if I ever need to cut a flitch off a cant if I get a broken blade or one pulls off trying to back out or such (Not that I'd ever need to do something like that. ::) Usually a couple of plastic felling wedges and my little felling ax readily solves that problem.)
I have had good results from the HF tools like this so far, Not particularly expensive and work well for the needs I have had. Plus the manager there is a customer of mine and I used to get special discounts before I joined their club to get extra discounts that way too.
Got started on the logs in the driveway.
Started with the 2 pine logs over the weekend.
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This funny looking crotch maple log. Thought it would make interesting lumber
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Another mill maxing white oak. 27 inches at the butt. Had to chainsaw trim some flare. Flat sawed a few 10/4 because I have no idea what to do with it.
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I really need to start keeping a log book...
From what I see you are progressing along quite nicely VB. 8)
Quote from: Magicman on November 02, 2021, 07:19:45 AM
From what I see you are progressing along quite nicely VB. 8)
Thank you sir! Much appreciated! Been having lots of fun in the process.
VB,
Good luck on the log book. I keep an excel spreadsheet with my sawing history including comments. I keep up with every bf sawed, engine hours and what I was sawing. I update my average sawing rate after every job and can tell you my average bf production is about 172 bf/hr. Some jobs more many jobs less but that's the average. (Helps when trying to establish an hourly rate to use too!). I have a list of every species I have sawed. It helps when you have someone call and asks about sawing ____ and you can tell them you have sawed it and any "gotchas" to be aware of. For example I sawed Red spruce last week for the first time but assuming it was similar to Norway spruce I had sawed I was better prepared on what I needed to do,
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on November 02, 2021, 09:54:07 AM
VB,
Good luck on the log book. I keep an excel spreadsheet with my sawing history including comments. I keep up with every bf sawed, engine hours and what I was sawing. I update my average sawing rate after every job and can tell you my average bf production is about 172 bf/hr. Some jobs more many jobs less but that's the average. (Helps when trying to establish an hourly rate to use too!). I have a list of every species I have sawed. It helps when you have someone call and asks about sawing ____ and you can tell them you have sawed it and any "gotchas" to be aware of. For example I sawed Red spruce last week for the first time but assuming it was similar to Norway spruce I had sawed I was better prepared on what I needed to do,
What you're describing is basically where I want to be. I got too excited to get up and running, especially after my hardware debacle, and I forgot to start the tally. The further I got from the start point, the more daunting it became to start keeping track and here we are. I've tracked nothing except what I've posted in my milling thread. One day, I would like to try and backlog everything, but who has that kind of time. At some point, I'll just start keeping track. Maybe when I'm through my log inventory and I have new logs coming in slower. Only 4 logs left in my inventory!
Other than nostalga I would not worry about what is behind you on the saw. At first there is a lot of head scratching, wrong button pushing, re positioning that will make your production completely off kilter.
Once you get comfortable with it you will see that there is a lot of head scratching, wrong button pushing, and re-positioning that makes creative and unique, highly valuable pieces of artwork. ;D
Quote from: Southside on November 02, 2021, 12:54:31 PM
Other than nostalga I would not worry about what is behind you on the saw. At first there is a lot of head scratching, wrong button pushing, re positioning that will make your production completely off kilter.
Once you get comfortable with it you will see that there is a lot of head scratching, wrong button pushing, and re-positioning that makes creative and unique, highly valuable pieces of artwork. ;D
I'm starting to wish my mill had buttons LOL
Definitely lots of head scratching.
Really the only reason I would be interested in backlogging is to know what I have buried in the drying stacks either for myself or potential "customers"
One way I have cut stickers on site was to first make the 1" boards. Stand a group of them up on edge and then cut the group at each 49" mark. But not cut them all the way to the bottom of the stack. These cuts would be done with a chain saw.
Next slice the stack/group at your thickness. I usually make stickers 2" wide so that there is good bearing surface. But oak I usually cut 1 1/2" wide.
As you cut the stack of board you'll release the first bunch of stickers. You can grab them as the are cut through to then toss off into your sticker bin/pile.
If I'm making stickers for the future, I'd stack them on a pallet and air dry them for a while before using.
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I moved to a 37 log job this morning. Three Oak and the rest SYP. We got 13 sawed so we should finish sometime Thursday. My tailgunner/customer "calf roped" at 3:00. :-X
The cut list is 1X10's with the rest being 1X6's & 1X8's.
Those look like some nice straight pines @Magicman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=10011)
You figure 37 logs is a 3 or 4 day job for you?
It depends upon the cut list. Had it been framing lumber then hardly 2 days. This is all 1" which should have been 2 days but you can't quit at 3:00 and make that kind of productivity. We should finish Thursday so 2½ days. It really does not matter to me because from here I will move the sawmill to a framing lumber job beginning Friday.
Well you should have "Bull dogged" him and pinned his ears down flat. :D
Quote from: VB-Milling on November 02, 2021, 07:25:31 PM
Those look like some nice straight pines @Magicman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=10011)
You figure 37 logs is a 3 or 4 day job for you?
A lot of it depends on what the customer desires.
Cutting 10/4 live edge for benches with good help, and proper machinery, it's a one day job.
Cutting 1/2" edged material for a speciality product with poor help could take a week.
That is why cutting by the hour puts the omen on the customer to have good help and to be there.
Cutting thinner stock like Doc H does for laser engraving could be even longer.
GAB
We had a drizzly rainy morning so I did not even try to go to the site till around noon. I sawed about 7-8 logs for 453 bf of 4/4 lumber. I broke a drive belt and was in the process of replacing it when the customer and his helper came by. I had the belt on wrong (Failed to pass over one pully correctly) and it would not tension but the helper noticed and I was able to get it on correctly and sawed several more logs afterward.
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Same stacks as yesterday only they are taller now. A little over 1,000 for about 1.5 days of sawing, stacking and changing a drive belt. Not breaking any speed records but steadily whittling away on the stack.
Not sure what I'm sawing. Stuff just shows up in the night! :D
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"Calf roped" ;D.
I am old enough and Southern enough to know what that means!
I have no idea what it means, but it doesn't sound complimentary.
"Calf Roped" - As a calf is tied up and brought down, to give up in surrender, "tap out", or "cry uncle" in defeat.
(Looked it up on the internet, must be true). ;D
When you holler "calf rope", you are giving up or stopping resistance.
Quote from: Resonator on November 03, 2021, 09:54:19 AM
"Calf Roped" - As a calf is tied up and brought down, to give up in surrender, "tap out", or "cry uncle" in defeat.
(Looked it up on the internet, must be true). ;D
yes Res. "defeat" is where you tie the rope on the calf! :) :) :)
I ain't been calf roped, but I have been hog tied, pretty similar. (Trying to keep that rodeo theme going)
I don't often post here, my milling is not of a caliber close to the other big guns here, but I thought I would drop one in.
I got back to the mill around noon today after working in the shop all morning. They need about 1,000 BF of fence boards and another order for 1x10's. I have taken about a week off the mill to let my back get back to normal (HEY!, It could happen) so I figured it was time to get back on that horse. (keeping the theme going)
Anyway, there was a few logs queued up and I knocked off the first one and the slabs were a bit of a load on the lower spine. The first one had two piths for the price of one. SO much for cutting to the pith, but I guess I had 2 chances at getting it right....... or wrong.
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Got about 14 1x12's out of that one, but the next one up was a bit intimidating. Not so much to mill, but to handle those slabs, my back was already putting up quite the [complaint]. I got it up on the mill and came up with a cutting plan and got it rotated right, but decided this would put me out of commission for another week if I went ahead, so I let it sit. But as I shut down and kept looking at it, I had to wonder. Does this butt(log) make my mill look small? :D
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ANyway, I'll give it another shot tomorrow. I gotta get a machine down there.
yes Tom, It be-hooves you to get the machine. then no lifting, just an end at a time and some sliding and moooooving. there is a lot at "steak". it is ruminated that it is easier with equipment. smiley_bull_stomp :o :) ;) :D @Resonator (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=37685) @Old Greenhorn (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=42103) @WDH (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=4370)
I should have known better. It gets pretty deep in this thread sometimes. It might be coming from the bull in the previous post.
Tom,
Remember if you are sawing - you determine how big/heavy those slabs are going to be. If you know they will be too heavy to handle alone there is nothing wrong with making 2-3 cuts to keep them manageable. Also I know you have a wall on the back side so you can't park MHE there but how about at the end of the mill? I park my little tractor with the forks right behind me so I don't have to carry slabs any distance and could even park it next to the mill so I could just slide the slabs on to the forks. I think it was Jake (Customsawyer) who sagely advised "Never lift both ends of a board at the same time" and that applies to the slabs too. Do everything possible to set up so you slide or roll heavy slabs and boards into location instead of lifting.
I move the flitches by sliding, but occ. I can put them on the edge and get under them with the forks. if I can saw through a cant, i lift it on the toe boards and lift it all together.
and yes, I did put a bull emoji in the last post. :)
Yup, same as 'belly flopped' which is what happened again today 'bout 3:00, but not before we sawed and stacked 20 logs leaving only 4 for tomorrow morning to finish this job. That was much better than yesterday's 13 logs.
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I haven't scaled any of yesterday's nor today's sawing. All of this is 1X10's, 8's, & 6's. There is a small whack of Oak to the left of the SYP.
Quote from: Old Greenhorn on November 03, 2021, 07:33:34 PMNot so much to mill, but to handle those slabs, my back was already putting up quite the [complaint]
If you use your drag back, you can drag the slabs back a little at a time and cut chunks off with a chainsaw to keep pieces at a manageable size and weight.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on November 03, 2021, 08:13:08 PM
Tom,
Remember if you are sawing - you determine how big/heavy those slabs are going to be. If you know they will be too heavy to handle alone there is nothing wrong with making 2-3 cuts to keep them manageable. Also I know you have a wall on the back side so you can't park MHE there but how about at the end of the mill? I park my little tractor with the forks right behind me so I don't have to carry slabs any distance and could even park it next to the mill so I could just slide the slabs on to the forks. I think it was Jake (Customsawyer) who sagely advised "Never lift both ends of a board at the same time" and that applies to the slabs too. Do everything possible to set up so you slide or roll heavy slabs and boards into location instead of lifting.
Yes, having one side of the mill blocked off is a fact of life for me, otherwise life would be easy. I never lift a whole slab, I can't. It is always one end at a time and I usually slide them off and cut them in half or at 5' max for the OWB. Still these things can weigh over 100 pounds sometimes. I don't like taking extra cuts, they waste time. I try really hard to get to productive wood in as few cuts as possible. SOmetimes I miss and have to waste a cut, but if I can get a narrower board off off to edge later I will take that off and edge it later. Some of these logs are big. mis-shaped, or swept a bit. You tend (as you know) to get some slabs that are 2" thick at one end and 6" thick at the other as you clean up these logs.
I generally slide these slabs off (many time I have to shove an axe in to lift one end so they will slide) and let them flop onto the deck then drag them onto the next log on the arms and cut it in half (5'), then carry them about 15 feet to the pile. It's not so bad, really, but my back is tender now and I am trying to work into this gently. It's just very slow going with all this 'stop & go' nonsense. A tailgunner would be nice, but they have him working on big dollar jobs right now.
We are looking for roller tables on CL all the time and when they show up, we will add them and make life easier.
LeeB, my specs on the slabs are 5' to fit the OWB. Using the drag back would bring the slabs to the wrong end of the mill. I put slabs out front and the lumber behind me as I go. Making 1x12's now the process is not to use the drag back. I cut one board, bring the mill head back, and as I am cutting the next, I grab the previous board and stack it. This keeps the mill moving faster. The drag back slows me down and causes too many issues I just find bothersome. But that's just me. I do use the drag back on 8/4 lumber though, just not 4/4.
#)*&^$! lost another post!
I returned to my on-going solo job and sawed a dozen or so logs for 915 bf and moved the mill to the opposite of the logs because I either had to move the mill or the sawdust and slab piles which were starting to interfere with my sawing.
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Set up this new stack for 12' lumber. 3' wide stacks.
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Remaining logs - started with about 60 and some of these are only 5-6 ft long so 1-2 more days at most if all goes well.
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10' boards on left. Same stack but doubled in height today.
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8' boards on right. Stack is too high to keep stacking so I stopped. A couple of boards to be stacked tomorrow when I make a new stack.
I came across a 6' log with a hollow end so I cut to 4' and "Brandi-ed" it into a new stack of stickers.
Howard your post isn't lost. I can see it clear as day. Third picture you posted, under the lumber stack, it's right there. Actually there are several under there. Must be where all your lost posts go. :D
SS,
"May your teenage daughter join a heavy metal rock band and may your son start dating the drummer." :D
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on November 03, 2021, 11:35:19 PM
SS,
"May your teenage daughter join a heavy metal rock band and may your son start dating the drummer." :D
DanG, no need to get snippy. He found your post after all.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Old Greenhorn on November 03, 2021, 07:33:34 PMThe first one had two piths for the price of one. SO much for cutting to the pith, but I guess I had 2 chances at getting it right....... or wrong.
Same thing happened to me the other day. I think I handled it incorrectly LOL
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Quote from: Old Greenhorn on November 03, 2021, 09:36:58 PMWe are looking for roller tables on CL all the time and when they show up, we will add them and make life easier.
I wish you the best of luck in this endeavor. The ones I have are invaluable to my little operation. Might be worth going outside of your normal CL search area and driving a ways for the right ones.
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Quote from: WV Sawmiller on November 03, 2021, 11:35:19 PM
SS,
"May your teenage daughter join a heavy metal rock band and may your son start dating the drummer." :D
DanG, no need to get snippy. He found your post after all.
hugs, Brandi
Funny, I don't remember "Grumpy Smurf" back in the day. :D
Quote from: Old Greenhorn on November 03, 2021, 09:36:58 PMStill these things can weigh over 100 pounds sometimes. I don't like taking extra cuts, they waste time. I try really hard to get to productive wood in as few cuts as possible.
I'm with @WV Sawmiller (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=28064), more thinner slabs are better. In the end those extra cuts are really saving time. That extra time saved cutting thick slabs can be lost in down time due to a sore back or other injury from handling them and if nothing else handling those heavy slabs wear me out. I had the same thinking back when I started. I wanted to get to the target cant with as few cuts as possible. I had lots of slabs that were very thick. It caused the work to be harder when it didn't have to be.
I changed the way I cut slabs when my wife started helping. It took
more time for two of us to handle the big slabs than for me to make two or three cuts to make thinner slabs. Plus after a few mishaps, it dawned on me how dangerous it was for both of us, not just her, to handle those heavy slabs. Thankfully, the mishaps didn't result in anything serious or lasting.
Now on portable jobs, I still make more cuts to get rid of thick slabs. If a customer complains, I cut a thick one or two and usually their tune changes. :) They see that we can get rid of three short or thinner slabs quicker and safer than one big one. When I am sawing with one helper, I can saw more hours without feeling completely exhausted since I don't have to help lift those thick slabs.
I finished this job this morning and moved to & set up for tomorrow's job sawing all framing lumber.
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3637 bf of mostly 12' 1X6, 1X8, & 1X10. Two nail strikes.
X2 on the thinner slabs. Helps handling but also makes them usable for very rustic or temporary siding. I also sell or give them to guys for building blinds. Reduces my waste and helps my back. Win win.
Still sawing 14 miles from home. The tall/completed stacks are 10' and 8' X 48" wide and 30 rows high. That is as tall as I can comfortably reach and then some.
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My 12' stack is growing including a few 6' boards from a couple of short logs. Same with the new 10' stack with some 5' logs.
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Slowly whittling the stack of logs down. I think I finished 8 more today and looks like 17 left including the little one on the mill. I had one large, pretty 13' on the mill and after a couple of slabbing cuts I heard a funny sound. It was hollow and I ended up cutting it down to 8' so that cost me some time. Another big hump backed log I ended up sawing through and through so more flitches to edge and they were big which also slowed me down. Oh well, I still cut, stacked and stickered about 830 bf today including setting up 2 new stacks which eats up time. Like they say "How do you eat an elephant?" That is what this job is about but this elephant's days are numbered.
Mighty Fine Howard......Mighty Fine!! 8)
Had a 6 Pine log job only a mile from home. He wanted mostly 4/4 and 6/4, but one short log he wanted 8/4 slabs out of got up to 27 inches wide.
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Well, the elephant is eaten! Thank goodness for flash photography because it was right at dark when I finished and after dark before I finished loading and brought Mildred home with me.
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8' & 10' stacks.
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a new stack of 7' lumber.
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Final stack of 12' lumber. Lots of 6' boards end to end included here.
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10' in front, 8' on back. Hard to see in the dark.
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Final 10' in front and 8' in back.
It was a long day but I finished all 17 remaining logs. Several were short and small diameter. Total for the whole job was just south of 4,000 bf. All 4/4 lumber. 4 small sycamore, a couple of maples and 50+ yellow poplar logs. I had to build the stacks, stack and sticker and I moved the mill to the opposite end of the log pile one time. I had sawed another 1600 or so bf at the customer's home. These were at his camp on the Greenbrier River. @ellmoe (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=1612) - this site was about half a mile and on the opposite side from where you guys stayed.
Its almost time for another 50 hour service and I got the filter in to change the hydraulic oil and filter.
I sawed a quick one today.
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2656bf of mostly 2X6's, for studs in the customer's new home.
Lynn,
Is that dimensional lumber or full size? I rarely get a customer wanting dimensional sizes around here. It is nearly always full size lumber they want.
Dimensional, I don't recall sawing full size but twice in 21 years of sawing. I don't know of a nail gun that shoots 4" nails.
Quote from: Magicman on November 05, 2021, 10:31:13 PM
Dimensional, I don't recall sawing full size but twice in 21 years of sawing. I don't know of a nail gun that shoots 4" nails.
An Ex customer and I got into a discussion about figuring board feet on "store bought" dimensions vs. full size. Volume-wise it probably works out about the same bd/ft of lumber from a log, but it will take more cuts. That is a discussion that should have taken place before I started the project.
This subject occasionally comes up and I have no concern of any pros/cons regarding log/lumber scaling. I sell nothing. I provide a sawing service and both rates and scaling are clearly stated in my sawing contract that is reviewed and signed both by myself and the customer before any saw job begins.
My process is to scale the lumber to the actual sizes I sawed unless it is an oddball (for me) job that I do on an hourly rate. I do tell customers if I am sawing less than 1" thick I bill as if it were one inch.
Some sawyers scale the log before sawing and use that figure. If the log produces more the customer gains, if less the sawyer still gets paid for his time and effort. It takes at least as much effort to saw a crappy log with lots of defect as a high quality log the same size.
I have an excel spreadsheet with formulas and at the end of the job I just plug in the thickness, width, length and total numbers of finished boards and the spreadsheet does the math for me. That is easier for me and clear to the customer. Usually I have them measure and call off the sizes and I just record them. I will record a row of boards as if it were a single huge board. For example I had 48" wide stacks of boards 8' and 10' long, all 1" thick. A stack would be recorded as if it were a board 1" thick X 48" wide X 8' or 10' long and 30 boards in the stack.
Sometimes when there is a wide range of lengths and widths of stacks the customer and I will just agree on an average and use that. On a recent job at the end of sawing and when we were getting ready to tally the customer asked me how many bf I thought there were there and I gave him a conservative estimate. He said how about I pay you 20% more than your estimate and lets skip the tally. I was okay with that. Neither one of us lost or benefited a lot out of that and we were bot satisfied at the end of the job.
Some people have ranges/categories and bill based on that, some just do hourly. All systems are fine as long as both parties understand and agree before sawing starts.
Looking at job I finished yesterday I was doing the stack building, stacking , and stickering and I wish I had set up more categories for different lengths. I set up 8', 10', 12' and added a 7'. I had some 5 & 6 but I doubled them up on the 10 & 12 foot stacks. I should have built and used a 9' and 11' stack as I probably shorted myself on the final tally. I always try to give the benefit of the doubt to the customer but that is just me.
Traveled yesterday morning 110 miles, to saw a 56 to 60 inch diameter red oak tree. Well, sort of. I told the customer I could do it if he had somebody else quarter the log first.
When I arrive there were eight quarters four each of eight and 12 foot lengths. The shorter ones had flare going out to as much as 45" wide but the main widths of the quarter faces were about 28 to 30 inches.
Here is a not so good picture of the early morning arrival.
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Here is the first quarter on the mill. It actually looks like a half not a quarter from this view. The near end was 46 inches tall. Customer had a machine an operator there, a bobcat with grapple and he was able to expertly load all the pieces as the day went on. First they were squared up sort of into large rectangles. Then we went for pure quartersawn materials with a variety of techniques including normal and RRQS. Having a wide head was everything for this job.
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Some of the wood is shown here. There were about 1900 board feet of 1 1/8 inch quarter sawn boards about 6 to 24 inches wide.
I used three 1 1/2 inch .055 turbo 7 bands.
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I arrived there at 7:30 AM and was finished packing up by 5:15 PM. After that my wife and I went out to eat at a local pub and then were able to stay overnight in very nice guest accommodations, and drove back this morning.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on November 06, 2021, 11:48:16 AM
My process is oddball me
Wow, the wonders of computers and editing. :)
hugs, Brandi
Ttimbers, that is some nice looking oak. Interesting job. Thanks for the pictures.
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Bridget, the sawmill princess says we are done for today.
We sawed a few 4x4s out of small logs and then got nine out of a decent log. After lunch we sawed some 1x that should be picked up in a day or so.
The tall stack in the back we sawed for a customer and we got stuck with it. Lesson learned. We agreed on a price for dead stacked to his specs. He got sick and never sent a truck. I'm not sure he is still alive, which is unfortunate. He seemed like a good man.
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Cavey,
Looks good. What is your sticker spacing on that tall stack?
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on November 07, 2021, 09:55:52 AM
Cavey,
Looks good. What is your sticker spacing on that tall stack?
A lot. Roughly 4', or double what is our norm on pine and 3x more than on most everything else.
Today I got myself into a gots to do what you gots to do situation. I have a goodwill 2X4 job to saw Saturday but first these two White Oak logs must be sawn. They are mine and the largest 32"+ is for 2X8 trailer decking for Marty's equipment trailer and the smaller will be sawn into 2" bridge decking.
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Yes it was a bad boy and I was working alone.
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I was distracted and forgot to take a picture after I got it on the sawmill but here I am breaking it down. Those flitches were heavy...yeah. :-X
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No stacking 'cause it was all that I could do to get them off of the sawmill. 19 ea; 2X8's and 3 ea; 2X10's. Only heartwood.
I will buck the smaller log back to 12' and saw 2" bridge decking from it. Oh my aching back tonight. >:(
You are an inspiration sir!
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I needed to burn up a couple of hours on the mill to reach my next 50 hour service point so I decided to saw these 5 small Red Oak logs I got from a neighbor 1/4 mile away. She had a tree service cut it as it was threatening her house. Nothing fancy but I hated to see them go to waste.
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One small 5.5' log I sawed into 3 LE 8/4 slabs for benches and one 9/4 slab I sawed into square stock for a set of legs or two. BTW - the loading arms are in the position I always leave them in at the end of sawing each day during the winter months so the feet don't freeze to the ground.
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The rest were 7' and 8' boards. Max width was only 8". (They are stacked on top of some 8' poplar 2X4s I cut earlier.) Total yield for everything in the 5 logs was about 188 bf.
True to my word, I sawed the smaller White Oak log today.
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The log had a bad crook but no matter, this will be bridge decking.
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And yes, there was some amazing fleck.
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But fleck doesn't matter with bridge decking. They are now ready for a trip to the farm property.
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I was able to slid them off of the sawmill and onto the trailer but no way could I handled the stacking/stickering. They will lay here until I get help....strong help.
I know you don't like the drag back and removed it from your mill but there are times when it does help.
The sawmill drag back would not have helped me but a trailer drag back could have. ;D
I brought the Kubota back with me and I will install the pallet forks/thumb today to get ready to handle sawing the SYP logs seen in the above picture. This will be a humanitarian effort Saturday to help a lady that need a roof and we will be sawing 2X4 lathing.
Just a ho-hum morning;
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Moving some logs from my SYP log whack
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to the sawmill getting ready for Saturday morning's sawing.
Good work there MM, and great photos to match. 👌
The forks thumb looks like a really useful attachment.
Does the thumb get in the way when lifting a pallet full of lumber, or do you mount the thumb to the forks frame only when you use it for moving logs ?
I have never had an occasion to lift a pallet of lumber and probably never will. ;D
I forgot to add that this sawing is for a lady that needs a new roof and a group of us will gather Saturday morning to saw the 2X4 lathing.
Quote from: Magicman on November 09, 2021, 07:52:38 PM
True to my word, I sawed the smaller White Oak log today.
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The log had a bad crook but no matter, this will be bridge decking.
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And yes, there was some amazing fleck.
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But fleck doesn't matter with bridge decking. They are now ready for a trip to the farm property.
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I was able to slid them off of the sawmill and onto the trailer but no way could I handled the stacking/stickering. They will lay here until I get help....strong help.
I pray I can work like you when I reach your age!
You all were talking about handling slabs a few subjects back.
Here is a short vid of how I do it. I work alone most of the time
Slab wood rolls on the forks, boards that need edging go on the saw horses.
The I slide the whole stack of finished boards off the mill onto the forks.
do not lift that slab wood. Wood-Mizer LT 40 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOi40AYpC4Y)
Do you have a burn pile or ??
About 2500bf into this job, all 1x10 b&b with 3" battens. Estimate About 11k total bf when finished
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Some saw millers have log dogs........
nice little scratchin post there @Larry (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=125) :)
Does that log have a catface?
:)
My cats just play in the sawdust. :D
Quote from: Resonator on November 12, 2021, 12:51:10 PM
My cats just play in the sawdust. :D
That is how they make Almond Roca :D
Framing framing framing
Flooring & decking, flooring & decking
Framing framing framing.
Flooring & decking, framing.
Yawn. I do this in my sleep.
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Birdseye Queensland Maple
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Quilted Birdseye Queensland Maple
or is that
Birdseye Quilted Queensland Maple, I'm not sure.
Had to wake up and think for a bit even.
Oh my!!
That is some right pretty stuff right there!
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An early morning gathering for this morning's sawing.
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Sawing the 2X4's.
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And...
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The bunch ranging in age from the 20's to the 80's.
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The first trailer is loaded.
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Strapped down and ready to travel. We sawed 1536 bf in 3½ hours.
This was a humanitarian effort to help a widow lady with a leaking roof and the 2X4's will be lathing.
Quote from: Magicman on November 13, 2021, 03:09:22 PM
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An early morning gathering for this morning's sawing.
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Sawing the 2X4's.
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And...
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The bunch ranging in age from the 20's to the 80's.
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The first trailer is loaded.
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Strapped down and ready to travel. We sawed 1536 bf in 3½ hours.
This was a humanitarian effort to help a widow lady with a leaking roof and the 2X4's will be lathing.
A very nice thing to do.
Your a good man Mr. Magic Man. smiley_thumbsup
Looks like you had plenty of tail gunners!
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Lynn: That, Sir, is admirable.
Dale
very nice, is that a short trailer or very long boards, or both. great job.
Both, those are 18' boards on a 12' trailer.
Quote from: Magicman on November 13, 2021, 10:25:44 PM
Both, those are 18' boards on a 12' trailer.
The tongue weight on the vehicle is probably not very much.
GAB
Thank you MM :)
Finally getting some hemlock in . I need it bad the orders are stacking up . Have some spruce on the way as well .
I'm going to get a sharpener and setter as well . Calling tomorrow to see what availability is . I hardly leave my property anymore so it's time to do it myself . Plus the shipping is outrageous .
Smiley was happy to see Dan the log trucker and gave the load a good look over for chimpmonks .
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Been getting into chainsaw milling. Practicing on southern yellow pine before I try on some of my more valuable timber.
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nice blue stain slabs.
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I moved to a 22 Oak and SYP log job this morning. Well 22 skidded out but I see at least that many more lurking just outside of the fence.
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And I guess that I set an all time weight record for me. The toolbox shows is 20' Red Oak log weighed 6283 pounds, and it took the loader, log clamp, and the JD to load it. This was the first time that I have had tractor help.
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But the log lost. ;D It's twin also lost but no picture of it.
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Here is my cut list. I'll be here a few days. ::)
Glad you got a tractor for those 12x12x20 oak beams! Looks like a beautiful spot to saw.
One of my repeat customers came today with 4 walnut logs. 2 were respectable size and 2 were quite small, but I'll saw whatever someone brings if I can physically do it. We hit nails twice in the first log, which was the butt log of the tree. That cost him, but he got some nice boards and then he bought a slab of elm from me.
Milled for a new customer today. Mostly very small cedars and a couple decent walnuts. I sawed at an hourly rate and it took 7 hours to only end up with roughly 600 bf. Customer was happy with the outcome and was a good tail gunner.
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When the customer is the tail gunner and you are sawing by the hour, the incentive is there.
GAB
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Started a order of 100 1X8X10 live on one edge boards for fencing.
(eight inch and better)
busy day with a lunch meeting and getting ready for a camp with scouts. Got a referral from one of my tree guy buddies, to mill a tree. he brought 2 ash logs. a little limby one, and an 8 foot, 26 inch diam. one. he wanted some thicker stuff for a table so the big one was 2.25 inches (9/4). the smaller one 4/4 through and through leaving live edges. shelves or stickers. nice family. spent time talking about drying conditions and stickering. he may jump on the forum for info. he is a Pilot, and has Amish heritage.
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they all passed the Libby smell test. :) the thick stuff was about 288 bf on the good 2.25 boards. did not scale the rest. ran it by the hour and by the bf. came up with a number and he added a tip. will look forward to helping him in the future. i think we were both happy.
Picked up a job re sawing
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beams for the Mondanock mill complex in Claremont NH.
My first ever type job.
The mill was built in 1809 .
I think it's longleaf pine.
Smells like turpentine and is some pitchy inside.
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Right hand stack mostly 20'6" for 8" X 7.25" posts. Locust, elm, ash & one hickory.
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13" & 16' logs for posts and 4" X 7.25" beams.
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Posts and beams we sawed here first week in August. Was to be a gravel floored equipment shed till wife decided it needed to be a Barn dance venue. The 20' posts will be used in the center.
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Most of today's results. About 1300 bf total here and a few 6/4 for bracing and such.
Returned to a repeat customer 70 miles away today to saw some more posts and beams for him since his wife "suggested" a new use and design changes resulted. I'll go back and finish tomorrow.
On the way to the site at 6:25a.m. I nearly wiped out a large whitetail buck in the rut and had to pull the right wheel of my truck and the mill over on the shoulder to miss him. In fact, I checked the mill arms for blood and hair when I stopped to make sure he had not run into it. It doesn't get much closer than that!
No more pictures (so maybe it did not happen - I guess I could take a picture of my check ::)) as it was nearly dark when we finished and my battery died in my computer before I could plug in the numbers in my spreadsheet to calculate the BF and billing and I had to do a stubby pencil drill and calculate by hand. We sawed about 3580 bf during 2 days of sawing. Mostly posts and beams and everything else was just the side lumber cut into 2X4s for bracing and 6/4X8" for collar ties (A term I had never heard of before this job).
A very good customer and a good helper. I had a real good time working with both of them again.
Quote from: Bruno of NH on November 19, 2021, 04:20:26 PM
I think it's longleaf pine.
Smells like turpentine and is some pitchy inside.
It is!
So I figured it was time to test my knee with the sawmill. But I was using my head and got my son to come along as backup.
I sawed a total of 4 hours out of the eight we worked today. During that time I trained my son on mill operation and a bit about sawing lumber.
My customer is a repeat customer and he wanted clapboard siding. Everything is 5/8 x 8" 8', 12' and 16'
Elam, my son, did very well the other 4 hours.
The knee is good, a little swollen but doing ok.
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This is my son at the controls
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You can see the addition to the house that will be sided with what we cut.
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This trailer load will be sorted and restacked In the morning.
Glad you are back at it! Don't overdo it! What did your son think about sawing? Is he off the trail for a bit?
Quote from: WDH on November 21, 2021, 05:59:37 PM
Quote from: Bruno of NH on November 19, 2021, 04:20:26 PM
I think it's longleaf pine.
Smells like turpentine and is some pitchy inside.
It is!
If they don't use all the beams .
I'm hoping to buy the rest.
This is beautiful lumber.
I don't know what the pitch will do to planer knives.
The center of the beams are very pitchy .
Nice work SawyerTed, nice looking pile of siding.
Elam is holding a sprayer in the photos.
Is that diesel fuel to deal with pitch build up on the blade?
Elam has completed all but 80 miles of the AT. He is home until next Sunday when he plans to finish those miles.
He enjoyed sawing for a time. He's a Professional Civil Engineer. I don't think sawing is his passion. But he does seem to enjoy helping his old man on occasion
The little sprayer is for diesel to cut build up on the blade. It hangs on the control box where the lid joins it.
Quote from: SawyerTed on November 22, 2021, 05:58:08 AM
Elam has completed all but 80 miles of the AT.
One of my life goals that sadly I don't think I'll ever be able to do. Good for him. I greatly admire people who take the time to stop and smell the roses.
Quote from: SawyerTed on November 22, 2021, 05:58:08 AMElam has completed all but 80 miles of the AT.
I walked part of the AT. I have a map of the entire trail and I have seen both ends, but somehow it just isn't the same.
Congrats to Elam on his upcoming success!! thumbs-up
I haven't been sawing much. Been building my son a carport.
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I did get to do some sawing for my daughter.
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These 2x4s are all I have sawn in a month with the mill.
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Right now I am fighting a nasal infection.
hugs, Brandi
nice carport Brandi
Brandi,
Get well soon. Happy Turkey day.
I stopped sawing when it got hot for the summer, Since it cooled off I have sawed a couple small logs
This was from a really ugly cherry, the sapwood is punky but I love the wave in the grain
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I sawed this tonight, I am "planning" to roof my deck so I want some 6x6 posts and am cutting some 3x? beams
this is 16' long the longest I have sawn and so close to the mill limit I don't want to go bigger
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Quote from: Machinebuilder on November 22, 2021, 07:24:45 PM
nice carport Brandi
Thanks Machinebuilder. I won't be able to put the metal on for a few weeks.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on November 22, 2021, 07:25:18 PM
Brandi,
Get well soon. Happy Turkey day.
Thanks Howard. Happy Thanksgiving to Y'all also. I was hoping you were not too jealous of me slacking off while you kept sawing.
hugs, Brandi
I am taking the next week or so off then have a couple of small jobs I'll try to finish if the weather cooperates. All sound like 1-2 day jobs which is what I like. One is 100 miles away but the others are under 20 which is also what I prefer.
Unless I missed something in the photo there Brandi, I suspect son is the favorite child. :D
Quote from: Bindian on November 22, 2021, 07:20:43 PMBeen building my son a carport.
What did you coat the bottom of the posts with?
Quote from: Southside on November 22, 2021, 10:02:02 PM
Unless I missed something in the photo there Brandi, I suspect son is the favorite child. :D
Not really. I never like playing favorites and shower each child heavily at different times and amounts. It all evens out. He is the oldest. I also told him the parking spot will be moved once I build the log house.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: LeeB on November 22, 2021, 10:57:06 PM
Quote from: Bindian on November 22, 2021, 07:20:43 PMBeen building my son a carport.
What did you coat the bottom of the posts with?
The posts have 3 coats of copper napthenate diluted with diesel and are in black plastic sleeves from plastisleeve.com
hugs, Brandi
Good to hear Elam and his support are nearing the goal! It looks like a good break from the mountains.
Don't over do while sick Brandi. Gotta heal then move on.
Quote from: Bindian on November 22, 2021, 11:09:30 PM
Quote from: Southside on November 22, 2021, 10:02:02 PM
Unless I missed something in the photo there Brandi, I suspect son is the favorite child. :D
Not really. I never like playing favorites and shower each child heavily at different times and amounts. It all evens out. He is the oldest. I also told him the parking spot will be moved once I build the log house.
hugs, Brandi
When the kids started the sibling rivalry thing and say "But you let Suzie have that or you let Billy do that." the irrefutable response is always "Yes, but we love Suzie more than we do you." :D
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Fun time milling red oak near Toomsboro GA
Just remember, when flying on a commercial airliner, if the oxygen masks deploy you will only have a couple of seconds to decide which child gets the mask first. Favorite may not be the way to go in that case. Perhaps which one has more potential to provide for you in the future? :D
Quote from: samandothers on November 23, 2021, 08:39:00 AM
Don't over do while sick Brandi. Gotta heal then move on.
When it rains, it pours. Today, I realized my hot water shutoff valve under my bedroom sink was leaking. Luckily, it's leaking on the way to the sink, so those valves are closed for now.
I don't wanna do anything. I start sweating and I feel awful. Just driving makes my head swim.
I'll try to replace the line tomorrow.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Southside on November 23, 2021, 01:58:07 PM
Just remember, when flying on a commercial airliner, if the oxygen masks deploy you will only have a couple of seconds to decide which child gets the mask first. Favorite may not be the way to go in that case. Perhaps which one has more potential to provide for you in the future? :D
That is simple. I would put the mask on my Grand daughter. I have worked for the airlines long enough, my kids know everything needed to know about emergency equipment on an airliner. Including the crash ax in the cockpit. Every time we flew (for fee) I would grill them on where to sit that is the safest and where the emer. equipment was located.
hugs, Brandi
We looked at a house once that had built in toasters in the bathroom wall. The place was a time capsule from the '60s. The shag carpet in the same room was impressive to say the least, but even that place didn't have a sink in the bedroom.
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Big ugly sweet gum. I sawed 8/4 with a 4" X 20" mantle out of the heart. With all the knots plus sweep in the log I wonder what the lumber will look like after it air dries. Probably a one time customer so I'll never know I suspect.
sometimes the ugly ones are the prettiest on the inside. kind of like some of the girls in high school! :)
Doc,
I've been accused of making "imprudent" statements from time to time but I think you just took the cake. :D
i will just say not all of the home coming queens are the ones you would want to spend a life time with.
Quote from: Southside on November 23, 2021, 08:54:00 PM
We looked at a house once that had built in toasters in the bathroom wall. The place was a time capsule from the '60s. The shag carpet in the same room was impressive to say the least, but even that place didn't have a sink in the bedroom.
Southside,
You are getting as bad as Howard. The sink is in the bathroom that is in my bedroom.
The bedroom is in my house, not in the barn.
I remember warming up my bottom to wall toasters. Both bathrooms had them. We didn't have central heat when I was little (or A/C). Just gas stoves throughout the house. Heck ,we didn't have shag carpeting until the '70s. In the '60s, we only had wood floors. Was shag carpetng even made in the '60s? But we had an attic fan.............and black and white television.
hugs, Brandi
Now comparing me to Howard is low. I would not slam an outhouse door that hard. :D First thought that came to mind when I saw those toasters was "How many housed did this company burn down?"
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on November 23, 2021, 09:38:33 PM
Doc,
I've been accused of making "imprudent" statements from time to time but I think you just took the cake. :D
I think I will sit this one out. I'll make some popcorn.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Southside on November 23, 2021, 11:26:03 PM
Now comparing me to Howard is low. I would not slam an outhouse door that hard. :D First thought that came to mind when I saw those toasters was "How many housed did this company burn down?"
Well, it was either him or Doc. Doc was nowhere to be seen at that time.
hugs, Brandi
Well let me tell what I am thinking (if I may be so bold) about when I say that. At our last class reunion, a very nice girl from our class was there. and yes, I thought she was pretty great in HS, but she married a guy 3 years older than her, and they ran a business. Some folks seemed to jump right in. Heck it took me 12 years to finish college. It was not funny but comical to hear her refer to him (at the last reunion) as her X husband to everyone she saw, and to me about 3 times. I think she even said, "did I mention he is my X husband!". Anyway, she is a former homecoming queen and nice but... I am happy with the one I got. her (my wife's) family is a mess, just like mine, so it worked out perfect. :)
I was originally talking about the log, so... fits in the thread.
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Doc - I think you just found an excuse to get a bigger skid steer. You're gonna need it to fill in that hole you've been digging. :D
I normally do not saw any customer's logs anywhere other than their location but last evening after dark a many times repeat customer delivered 5 ERC logs to Marty's yard.
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Grandson Ben used the U25 to unload the logs and ....
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This morning I used the M4900 to move the logs.
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I love the Thumb for keeping the logs stable while I am moving. It will be at least mid-December before I can get to them, maybe January but no problem because these will be for half-log stair risers for the customer's new home. Luke and I sawed his framing lumber back in the Summer.
Quote from: Southside on November 24, 2021, 10:36:10 AM
Doc - I think you just found an excuse to get a bigger skid steer. You're gonna need it to fill in that hole you've been digging. :D
smiley_ignore
hugs, Brandi
Like that thumb, M.M.
Yes, it's good for stabilizing logs, slabs, etc. that are across the forks which is what I had in mind when I bought it. Just gotta remember to release it when you want to dump. ::)
That is the longest available but I wish that it was a foot longer.
Quote from: Magicman on November 26, 2021, 08:44:46 PM
That is the longest available but I wish that it was a foot longer.
Sounds to me like it is time for an MM revision A.
GAB
Man I wish I had one of those thumbs on the ToolCat with the forks mounted. Handling those 18-20' logs on a narrow machine is tough enough. It would be the cats pajamas to have for handling piles of slabs to dump in the OWB. I can never fit enough on the forks that they don't keep sliding off.
Quote from: GAB on November 26, 2021, 09:12:33 PMSounds to me like it is time for an MM revision
I may wish but that ain't happening.
Fellow member @Garlic man (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=49852) came by yesterday to saw up some cherry and walnut he had dropped off earlier. Didn't put the blade to log until 10 am ( a comedy of errors on both parties) but finished by 12:30.
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He had the tarp on before I thought of pictures. There are two nice walnut slabs on top, came from a half log that maybe split from a storm.
Then we had venison hot sausage samiches. A good morning!
Oh, he also left these for us, besides his craftsmanship with wood he makes some awesome candy
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On the right, peanut clusters. On the left homemade butter fingers.
mh
Actually my first time to saw in years and post in this thread but so far we've enjoyed the little time we've put into it. Our first cant was an old hickory then a white out that was freshly cut since the top was broke out after last years hurricane.
Hickory
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White Oak
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Milled some maple with my dad in Kentucky this weekend. Got this log off of a guy that desperately wanted to cut them into firewood....took me 4 months to get him to sell/trade them to me. In the end all he wanted was a dump truck load of but ends from the sawmill.
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Burdman, that last picture needs to be on a wall!
The picture with just the slabs against the wall made me think that you have invented the sawyers version of the "Dancing Bears" stickers that were famous with Dead Heads. :D
Quote from: Southside on November 28, 2021, 10:18:00 PM
The picture with just the slabs against the wall made me think that you have invented the sawyers version of the "Dancing Bears" stickers that were famous with Dead Heads. :D
lol I had to look this up to figure out what you were even talking about
Wowzers! :o I see table tops ($$$ ;D).
I'm guessing a pretty big chainsaw mill to cut those?
Quote from: Resonator on November 29, 2021, 10:42:14 AM
Wowzers! :o I see table tops ($$$ ;D).
I'm guessing a pretty big chainsaw mill to cut those?
I wish I had figured out how to sell these things...haha, I have tons of big slabs now...just sitting around. In a few months I'm going to have to transport all of my stock from Alabama to Kentucky since my wife will be getting orders soon :S
I have an 84 inch chainsaw mill and a 59 inch chainsaw mill. The 84 inch can do like 75 inches or so.
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some nice Cherry Slabs,today.
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Pretty Cherry
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Who likes the crotch figure?
Pretty Cherry, but I think you need to adjust the focus, or balance, or something on your camera. The ground looks all bleached out, can't see anything other than white. :D
Southside: That's not snow, it's just a heavy morning frost.
Dale
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Another 20'X12"X12" comes off of the sawmill this morning. This one had some wain but the customer was expecting it. This is a sorta unusual job not knowing when we will and will not be able to saw. I know we will saw tomorrow and there are at least 30 more logs scattered about but we might pull the plug tomorrow evening. ?? The customer can't find help and he has work obligations of his own. It's just a messed up deal.
Not a camera issue, You've scorched your eyeballs SS.
It's called 'snow blindness' aka severe eye strain.
There must be a local artisan that could carve a pair of Inuit snow goggles for you. See MM below on the Deere? snow/frost googles
Or, hide out in the house with an adequate supply of adult beverages for four days.
Doc Henderson may cast doubts on my diagnosis, but prolly endorse the beverage part of the cure. 😎
I would engage in the adult beverage portion of your cure, but if you see Magicman on the Deere then I am saddned because you have consumed all of the cure and left none for me. :D
Ain't me, I took da picture. ;D
Yep, need to remove my snow goggles before posting!
Today I sawed this.............
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into this.................
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16 foot full size SYP 2x6s.
hugs, Brandi
I hope that you have treated them for powderpost beetles otherwise you may be in for some not so good surprises.
Quote from: WDH on November 30, 2021, 09:47:33 AM
I hope that you have treated them for powderpost beetles otherwise you may be in for some not so good surprises.
I thought PPB did not like pine?
You are right. I meant to quote burdman but screwed it up. He was mentioning all the big hardwood slabs that he has. See his comment below:
" I wish I had figured out how to sell these things...haha, I have tons of big slabs now...just sitting around. In a few months I'm going to have to transport all of my stock from Alabama to Kentucky since my wife will be getting orders soon :S"
Powderpost beetles are certainly a significant risk for hardwood slabs that are exposed for a long time.
I've seen a lot of holes in old white pine timbers (200 years +) that look like ppb.
Those are probably Old House Borers. Looks like a shotgun shot it with bird shot. Allows more penetration for Boracare.
Quote from: Southside on November 29, 2021, 07:54:47 PM
Pretty Cherry, but I think you need to adjust the focus, or balance, or something on your camera. The ground looks all bleached out, can't see anything other than white. :D
November has been fairly mild but we finally had our first snow on Sunday. It's all down hill from here. :D
I was glad to see this load go away even though we took a thrashing on it. We sawed 1 1/8" x 5 1/2" for a guy several weeks ago. He never got it. Odd size. A regular customer inquired about it and we made him a very good deal. Sometimes a lot of work goes into making a little money.
We got a couple of pretty nice piles of cypress logs yesterday. I see mantles, live edged slabs and possibly some dimensional lumber coming out of them.
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The cedar was from a small job from some inferior logs that I sawed on Friday. It was like getting butter from a duck but we got some nice boards and a garter snake curled up in the wrong rotten log.(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22883/DABC1834-007F-4F86-83F9-7A14C4283F64.jpeg?easyrotate_cache=1638047665)
More long leaf pine beams.
Have to use lots of lube and clean the band wheel belts.
Spruce and hemlock the rest of the day.
Finally getting more logs in .
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I found a bullet a few days ago.... ::)
It was out of a yard tree belonging to one of our techs families. Great big Green Ash tree blew down during a storm last spring. It was in the farm yard. I suppose Grandpa was shooting at a raccoon. I took most of it for firewood, sawed a short section of trunk for some lumber and cut a few bench slabs for them from the branches. Maybe the bullet will end up in a coffee table. Didn't do the blade any good 😕.
No good deed goes un punished.
I started a new mobile 27 miles away job for my repeat customer and sometimes partner/log provider. We had a very good day even though we only cut about 1100 bf. We started out cutting some harsh black locust into 4X4s or as close as they would make, then pine and larch which were a bear to cut as they were full of knots. Then I cut some 18' and 5' WO into 6/4 for trailer decking for a logger who was working the customer's site. Finally I was able to cut 50 5/4X6" X 8' fence boards. Tomorrow I need to cut about that many more fence boards and he says he has 3-4 cherry logs that have been down awhile so it looks like a short day. The next day I am scheduled to drive 100 miles for a 2 day sawing job.
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432 bf of pine and larch boards and framing for the customer's neighbor. These were not fun or pretty.
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6/4 18' WO for trailer and 5' for the dovetail.
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50 5/4X6"X 8' RO fence boards for imminent use which is why no more stickers in use.
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About a dozen 4X4 locust for raised planter beds.
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Today's slab pile. The customer has done good about removing slabs and stacking boards as finished. He did get some breaks as I had to crawl the saw through the pine, larch and WO and even one RO crotch. Should be an easy day tomorrow.
I forgot to take a finished picture but the only difference is in the first the stack is much taller and has a couple of cherry 4X4s and 2X4s on top. I finished the RO fence boards then sawed a few old cherry logs into 5/4 and the last 2 just sawed into 4X4 and 2X4 for table kegs and such which I find to be a good use when a customer brings you as 6" diameter walnut or cherry log and says he has no plans for it but doesn't want to see it go to waste.
I finished 667 bf by early afternoon, packed up, washed the mill and put my used blades up and got some more out now heading for a 100 mile one way, 2 day trip early tomorrow.
My first time sawing frozen Larch, it sawed out nice.
Got some nice clear 6x6x12 and some porch decking .
Was around 10° or less with the wind chill.
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My customer unloading more logs this morning. Shoulda turned and taken a picture of the sawmill in the fog.
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YH said that if it will not roll it ain't a log. I started sawing this snag off before I realized that it was too tall for the throat. Backed out, whacked it off, and then finished the trim. ;D
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This ugly Red Oak log became another 10X10. The bacteria stain was prurdy. :)
One more day (probably Tuesday) and I will finish the first phase of this sawing job. I have that 106 mile Longleaf Pine job to finish beginning the 13th. It's the one where the skid steer caught fire and there are ~30 logs left to saw. My plans are for that job to close out my 2021 sawing year.
Quote from: Magicman on December 03, 2021, 08:52:47 PM
YH said that if it will not roll it ain't a log. I started sawing this snag off before I realized that it was too tall for the throat. Backed out, whacked it off, and then finished the trim. ;D
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Here's a log I sawed up this week. It's got some unusual color.
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old standing dead elm from a while back, milled this eve.
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shown end to end. a bit of maple under the elm.
What is that YH - an Ambrosia Pecan?
Nothing extraordinary. Some bookmatched ash on the mill just before dinner. The blade needed changing, figured it was as good a time as any for a photo op.
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I drove 99.2 miles to a new job in coal country WV today to start a new job. (When you get to Welch you turn left 15 miles before getting to War WV). I tried repeatedly to talk and price myself out of this job but to no avail.
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We started on this stack and sawed about 15 of them including the worst which pushed the size limits of my mill. The smallest cant was 10" and the biggest was 20". Most were 16-18 inches. All were 8' long except the last walnut. We started on big white pine and a very big hemlock buried under the pile by the cut off poplar chunk. On my last walnut log I ran out of gas less than 2' from the end of the final cut and had to add a gallon or so to finish. I knew we'd pushed it pretty hard.
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After 3-4 more of the walnut on the other stack a few small oaks here for tomorrow, 3-4 smaller pines and and even a poplar log or two back there. Should finish early afternoon.
It was after sunset when we finished and I loaded up and put a log on the mill to help prevent theft and the customer covered the stacks before I got my "after" photos so here is what I could get. All stacks are 8' long and 4' to 5' wide and for about 10"-30". We did not tally yet but I'd guess we did 2000 bf or close to it.
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2 walnut logs, maybe 100 bf. I showed the water trick and this looks like meatal. I'll have to check that in the morning.
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All flat stacked.
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I guess I must have been the most interesting thing in town as everybody in town seemed to stop by and watch. Several helped grab a slab or stack a board or load a log or two and one logger friend stopped by and wanted a card for a future Yellow Pine sawing job. I never get yellow mile here in WV. He laughed and said he doesn't either which is why he was interested in having it sawed. Apparently his normal markets don't buy it. We will see how that works out. I just wish he were closer. I may have to look into hotels and per diem instead of the extra mileage. Probably would not cost the customer any more and would save wear and tear on my aging and decrepit body and equipment.
BTW for our "Eskimos" on the forum - it was in the 60's and a beautify day once the sun rose.
Doc that second slab photo gets me all bubbly feeling. If you were closer I would run over and see if we could make a deal. I think with some nice finishing working and a pair of Ritelegs, it would be something special. Nice wood. We don't run into elm here much in my woods.
Quote from: Southside on December 03, 2021, 10:29:06 PM
What is that YH - an Ambrosia Pecan?
Pink Ambrosia Sycamore
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on December 03, 2021, 10:56:32 PM....................
BTW for our "Eskimos" on the forum - it was in the 60's and a beautify day once the sun rose.
Great post, but you could have left that last line out.
What? That's like leaving out the punch line on a good joke. And it was so true. :D
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on December 03, 2021, 10:56:32 PMWhen you get to Welch you turn left 15 miles before getting to War WV.
War, WV is where our church group built the 16'X24' food distribution building with lumber that I sawed here and we hauled it there for the building. That project won First Place and the People's Choice Award in the Wood-Mizer Personal Best Contest in 2013.
Visit my website and the video is on the home page. (The website link in under my avatar.)
Tom, if you were closer, we would trade and barter all kinds of stuff. I would expect to see you around quitting time also. smiley_beertoast
Quote from: doc henderson on December 03, 2021, 09:44:47 PM
old standing dead elm from a while back, milled this eve.
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shown end to end. a bit of maple under the elm.
Doc,
Was that standing dead Elm hard to saw? I have one that's ~25" DBH that I intend to put on my Sawmill sometime soon. I was under the impression that it saws hard.....
It sawed great, almost easier than green. the fibers cut instead of dragging the band off the cut.
Lynn,
I was certain you'd remember the name and circumstances. We were sawing on a flood plain the customer had leased. He could not build anything permanent there because of the flood you came in to help after. I was noticing that is just a dirt poor region. I drove through the community of Premier WV and the US Post office there looks to be about a 50' long, single wide mobile home.
I went back over and finished that job but forgot to get an after picture. We sawed 3804 bf in about a day and 3/4. Today was live edge 8/4 walnut slabs then 4/4 Red oak then 8/4 framing (2X4 & 2X6's) out of smaller (12-16 inch diameter) pine, hemlock and poplar. At the end I sawed 2 very large diameter cut offs about 3' long into stickers. He had a 6' one and asked about sawing it in half and I said to saw the stickers in half after as 3' stuff is a bear to clamp and turn and such. I was sawing it and he decided the boards were too pretty to sticker so we made wide boards out of them too.
I had some of the best help I've had and there was almost always a log on the loading arms and I never had to wait for a slab or board to be moved. I smelled what I thought was Alanthus (Stink tree) burning and found my helper had stepped over to the trailer to smoke a joint. Now I know what burning pot smells like and why he was such a happy helper. Even if he was closer I could not use him with such habits but he was as good a helper as I've had.
Yup, we saw much evidence of dope activities while we were there but none of it affected our project.
I often wonder what became of the building that we built in 4½ days. I suspect that someone is living in it.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on December 04, 2021, 08:50:41 PMI drove through the community of Premier WV and the US Post office there looks to be about a 50' long, single wide mobile home.
That makes it twice as big as the Post Office in Cut n Shoot, Texas.
Merry Christmas hugs, Brandi
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on December 03, 2021, 10:56:32 PM
I drove 99.2 miles to a new job in coal country WV today to start a new job. (When you get to Welch you turn left 15 miles before getting to War WV). I tried repeatedly to talk and price myself out of this job but to no avail.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/38064/IMG_2927.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1638588585)
We started on this stack and sawed about 15 of them including the worst which pushed the size limits of my mill. The smallest cant was 10" and the biggest was 20". Most were 16-18 inches. All were 8' long except the last walnut. We started on big white pine and a very big hemlock buried under the pile by the cut off poplar chunk. On my last walnut log I ran out of gas less than 2' from the end of the final cut and had to add a gallon or so to finish. I knew we'd pushed it pretty hard.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/38064/IMG_2928.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1638588587)
After 3-4 more of the walnut on the other stack a few small oaks here for tomorrow, 3-4 smaller pines and and even a poplar log or two back there. Should finish early afternoon.
It was after sunset when we finished and I loaded up and put a log on the mill to help prevent theft and the customer covered the stacks before I got my "after" photos so here is what I could get. All stacks are 8' long and 4' to 5' wide and for about 10"-30". We did not tally yet but I'd guess we did 2000 bf or close to it.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/38064/IMG_2932.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1638589483)
2 walnut logs, maybe 100 bf. I showed the water trick and this looks like meatal. I'll have to check that in the morning.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/38064/IMG_2930.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1638589481)
All flat stacked.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/38064/IMG_2931.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1638589480)
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I guess I must have been the most interesting thing in town as everybody in town seemed to stop by and watch. Several helped grab a slab or stack a board or load a log or two and one logger friend stopped by and wanted a card for a future Yellow Pine sawing job. I never get yellow mile here in WV. He laughed and said he doesn't either which is why he was interested in having it sawed. Apparently his normal markets don't buy it. We will see how that works out. I just wish he were closer. I may have to look into hotels and per diem instead of the extra mileage. Probably would not cost the customer any more and would save wear and tear on my aging and decrepit body and equipment.
BTW for our "Eskimos" on the forum - it was in the 60's and a beautify day once the sun rose.
Interesting job. You work hard for a retired guy. :D
a hunk of maple that fell in my yard. I made a separate post about cutting defective low grade logs.(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/35823/20211204_100309~1.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1638714158)
Lynn,
Let's hope so. I'd rather know I built someone a home than a storage building somewhere. :D You may have to modify your thread and call it Habitat for Humanity.
Brandi,
Yeah, I still remember when the PO was an office in the local country store and the postmaster ran the store till he had a PO customer then he go wait on them. He'd cut a slice of cheese or souse then go sell some stamps and back and forth all day. The same PO is now a big brick building with several full time employees and maybe a couple of contract carriers delivering the mail.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on December 05, 2021, 09:31:19 AMYeah, I still remember when the PO was an office in the local country store and the postmaster ran the store till he had a PO customer then he go wait on them. He'd cut a slice of cheese or souse then go sell some stamps and back and forth all day.
I think maybe you saw that on Green Acres. :D
No. I saw it in McDavid Fla and Ms Edith Parker owned the store and was the post mistress.
I have seen it other places in small communities. I think the PO at Webster Springs WV is similar to that as an add -on to the store there. The storekeeper may not be the postmaster but it shares a space with his store.
The town of Cedar Park Texas had a post office/store when I was a kid. The name of the store was Henry's.
LeeB I bet if you ask around it probably was like that in Yellville at one time. I remember Gilbert, Greers Ferry and my little community of Pearson Ar All had the post office in with a store.
Clayton Lake, ME Post Office, you sort your own mail out of the bin. Arrives twice a week. That's 25 or so years ago.
Finished 40 pieces 8"x8"x36" long White Oak blocking. Got some Cherry ready to cut next.
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So apparently a Woodmizer wil cut a brick in half.
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That's good to know.
Quote from: richhiway on December 05, 2021, 09:23:56 AM
a hunk of maple that fell in my yard. I made a separate post about cutting defective low grade logs.(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/35823/20211204_100309~1.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1638714158)
I like those tire covers. Are they spare tire covers? I may get two of those. On my dual tandem gooseneck, I just lean boards upon the side to keep the afternoon sun off of the rubber.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: terrifictimbersllc on December 05, 2021, 11:26:51 AM
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on December 05, 2021, 09:31:19 AMYeah, I still remember when the PO was an office in the local country store and the postmaster ran the store till he had a PO customer then he go wait on them. He'd cut a slice of cheese or souse then go sell some stamps and back and forth all day.
I think maybe you saw that on Green Acres. :D
That there was Sam Drucker's General Store in Hooterville. I loved Green Acres and Petticoat Junction.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: LeeB on December 05, 2021, 02:10:27 PM
The town of Cedar Park Texas had a post office/store when I was a kid. The name of the store was Henry's.
LeeB,
When's the last time you were in Cedar Park? Bet you wouldn't recognize it now. You blink and could get lost. I have no idea where Austin, Cedar Park, and Georgetown end and begin.
hugs, Brandi
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Milled this originally for a work bench and Changed my mind.
Last photo is black walnut in my bathtub. Old lady was not happy with that decision. I told her she can get in the photo if she wants!
I got half the order of 4x6s done.
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I marveled at myself when I find another use for the clamp. Now I know how to move 4x6s off the mill onto the grapple.
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I had to stop sawing between the 2x6s and 4x6s while Luke helped me put the tin on his carport.
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hugs, Brandi
Quote from: pezrock on December 05, 2021, 11:25:43 PMLast photo is black walnut in my bathtub.
But... why? ::)
Quote from: Bindian on December 05, 2021, 11:24:50 PMLeeB, When's the last time you were in Cedar Park? Bet you wouldn't recognize it now. You blink and could get lost. I have no idea where Austin, Cedar Park, and Georgetown end and begin. hugs, Brandi
Went to see my daughter who still lives in Austin just before Thanksgiving. Didn't make it as far as Cedar Park. Last time I was there was several years ago and even then after having lived there or in the area for more than 30 years I no longer really recognized the place. All the growth is one of the primary reasons we left the area. When I go back now it is no longer my home. Too much has changes and I don't feel most of it was for the better.
Quote from: LeeB on December 06, 2021, 12:39:20 AM
Quote from: Bindian on December 05, 2021, 11:24:50 PMLeeB, When's the last time you were in Cedar Park? Bet you wouldn't recognize it now. You blink and could get lost. I have no idea where Austin, Cedar Park, and Georgetown end and begin. hugs, Brandi
Went to see my daughter who still lives in Austin just before Thanksgiving. Didn't make it as far as Cedar Park. Last time I was there was several years ago and even then after having lived there or in the area for more than 30 years I no longer really recognized the place. All the growth is one of the primary reasons we left the area. When I go back now it is no longer my home. Too much has changes and I don't feel most of it was for the better.
My daughter works for the state of Texas and lived in Manor. She wanted to change my Grand daughter to a Christan school when the Austin school teacher told my Grand daughter she couldn't say "God" in class. That and all the homeless, now lack of law enforcement. Covid allowed my daughter to work at home, so last August, she moved back here and now has a lake view house on Lake Conroe. God provides and we are blessed.
hugs, Brandi
Brandi, you work yard is looking sharp! Doc.
@doc henderson (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=41041) that standing dead elm is some of the nicest wood, almost a pure chocolate brown color in my experience. Although I did not have the same luck with is being easy to saw as you noted. It made the finest powdery dust and sawed like a piece of steel. My curvy elm will be made into our dining room table someday soon.
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The pictures don't do the spalting justice. It looks a lot better in person. The water and rotten bark blends the colors together.
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I like those tire covers. Are they spare tire covers? I may get two of those. On my dual tandem gooseneck, I just lean boards upon the side to keep the afternoon sun off of the rubber.
hugs, Brandi
Just search rv tire covers on ebay.
Saturday I finally got to the 2 "Highly Valuable Walnut" logs a friend gave me.
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I also cut a red oak into some 6/4x6"x8' to make sure there was weight on the walnut.
I was pretty tired when I was done. I never saw walnut like this so I was surprised to see how white the sapwood is.
Quote from: doc henderson on December 06, 2021, 07:53:24 AM
Brandi, you work yard is looking sharp! Doc.
Thanks Doc! I can't wait until it is moved 75 yards across the gully and under cover.
hugs, Brandi
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Quote from: pezrock on December 05, 2021, 11:25:43 PMLast photo is black walnut in my bathtub.
But... why? ::)
Thinking he is making some Black Walnut Essential oils.
yes, I want to see the tub, after it is drained.
Yes, we need "the rest of the story" on the walnut in the bathtub.
- what's the juice going to be used for?
- why not use a big plastic bin instead of the bathtub?
- have you retained a good divorce attorney yet?
popcorn_smiley
I always ask people what they are bringing to mill so I know what to expect. Sometimes I have to say, that's too big, etc. I had a repeat customer bringing some pin oak. He said they were 24" and 20" and 7' long. He showed up with two logs. One was about 8' long and one was about 10'. The trouble is that the longer log was about 32" diameter at the big end. We just cut off about 3' of it to make it fit thru the mill. I couldn't have carried the thing full length anyway. The pin oak was pretty coming off the mill. I hope he manages to dry it flat.
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20' Black Oak with a 27" butt. It took both the sawmill loader and the JD to get it onto the sawmill. I closed this job out this evening but will go back probably in February.
I will travel back next week to finish the 106 mile Longleaf Pine job where the skid steer caught fire in June. After I finish that job my plans are to shut er down until next year.
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No, I did not start sawing these today but I did go look at them. They are 16 miles from my home. I was scheduling to saw them Thursday but once seeing them I realized it is 2 long and possibly 3 days as the biggest log here is 36" in diameter and several are 30+ which is going to require rotating them several times and whittling them down They are all RO & WO and there is a smaller 16' log perpendicular on the backside. The customer is just cutting them for stock so they don't go to waste. He was thinking framing for the WO but I suggested checking a nearby couple who might need them for their board fence business. We will see what comes of that. He'd be just as happy with poplar or pine for framing I bet but neither of those would make good fence boards.
I also looked at another job 40+ miles from home. We were over there for wife's Dr. appointment and the guy called yesterday. I forgot to take a picture. Turns out there were 3 maple logs about 14-15 inches in diameter. An 8, 10 & 12 footer. Sounds like he wants 6/4 - 7/4 boards and maybe even LE. Maybe 2-3 at 4" square for wood turning. I told him my minimum fee would apply to come that far but just my BF sawing fee if he brings them to me. He still sounded like he wants me to come. If the weather permits I think I'll just bring my mill with me on 21st to my next dental cleaning appointment and saw them then as he is very close to my dentist. (No comments, Tom or Danny, from the peanut gallery about WV and out of work dentists ;)).
Lynn,
That is the most water oak oakish, willow oakish, laurel oakish, black oak that I have ever seen.
Howard, how do you compliment an Auburn graduate?
"Nice tooth."
Yup, you are right. I was thinking about the previous log that had the bright orange underneath. That one was course bark and wasn't Water Oak, but one of them others. It came from Denham Springs, LA.
The orange inner bark of black oak tree is a good identifier.
I learned that from you Sir. thumbs-up
Fellow called me last week to arrange some sawing about 80 miles from here. Said he had about 10 pine logs 16"x12'. I explained my fees and he was ok with that. Got there this morning to discover this:
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Two piles of unsorted logs along the side of the road. The guy he provided to tail for me had supposedly been around mills all hife and he was the one that staged them like that. There weren't any 16" logs and they ranged in length from 7' to 20'. Some of them were ok but the longer ones hat too much sweep to get any worthwhile long boards from. They had rented a small backhoe to handle them with. Others needed to be trimmed a little to take a kink or such from the end. Then they all would need to be properly stage to be able to get them on the mill. Having explained all that to them in person, even though I had told the customer what I needed over the phone, I got set up and managed to load a log while they went about trying to sort out the mess. I schooled them in how I wanted them to tail and to have another log on the arms ready to go as I finished the current log. The customer knew nothing at all and wasn't really catching on. The helper did a little better. Neither one was overly proficient with the backhoe. They never did get the hang of aligning the logs to center the loading arms. After awhile I started pulling the slabs myself and loading the next log while the helper finished clearing the sawn boards from the mill. Much time was wasted in repositioning the logs so they would be even semi close to right on the loading arms. All the pushing around with the backhoe ended up getting a good bit of dirt on the logs that I had to brush off to try and get any footage at all from a blade. Ended up using 3 blades, although one was not fresh to start with. The whole affair should have only taken a few hours but ended up being 9 hours. I didn't tally because I worked hourly. I did manage to get mostly 2x6 and 2x8's for them with some 2x4's and some random 1x. At the end of it all the customer was happy with the lumber and his helper wants me to do a job for him later on. Hopefully he learned a little on this job so it will go better on the next one.
That sounded very much like some of the messes that I have gotten into over the years. Thankfully they are not typical of the majority. You did good.
I got lazy about unloading the truck lst night when I got back. Found out this morning that I lrft my 12t bottle jack behind. Too far to be worth going after it. I called the customer and told him where to find his prize. He did say he would likely be calling me back for more milling and would return it then.
Sounds like me and my leveling boards. I have retrieved several when I went back on a repeat job. 8)
Had a guy this fall ask if I could saw a 24" log for him.
"Sure, bring it over". He showed up with a 24" round piece of 16" long firewood.
I made a jig and got it done, only because I felt bad he had taken his firewood for an hour long ride and I guess I should have asked for his definition of a "log".
Quote from: Magicman on December 09, 2021, 05:27:45 PM
Sounds like me and my leveling boards. I have retrieved several when I went back on a repeat job. 8)
I picked up my leveling boards but one. Guess where it was.
Under the jack. :D
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Now these are the jobs I love! Sawed 15 of these logs and lightly squared 3 locust poles for the customer. He was 12.5 miles from home. Logs were stacked well and trimmed good. Easy access and very good help - 61 y/o customer very familiar with logs and lumber and his 40 y/o nephew. Both were quick studies and kept the logs flowing. 1690 bf in about 8 hour day. Mostly poplar 2X4 & 2X6 with a few 1X6 and 2-3 RO logs in the mix. It was cool, in the 40's but the sun did show up about mid afternoon for a real pleasant day. A referral job from another customer (His BIL) who also often comes and buys my slabs for his boss to burn in her little stove.
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Good looking weather next week and I'll plan on knocking out another small job or two. May take the mill 40-45 miles and saw 3 maple logs Monday when my wife has a Dr appointment over near that customer. Finished and brought the mill back home with no problems.
I love the way you keep knocking them out Howard. 8)
Yeah, the jobs just keep coming. I will easily double my best previous sawing total this year and the jobs just keep coming. Its a combination of high lumber prices in the store, people having time on their hands to collect and saw their logs, traveling more and further on jobs, referrals and people generally learning I am here and repeat jobs. A huge factor is experience and better efficiency and using the techniques you and others here on the forum passed along. I posted my current process for sawing in general which seems to be working well. Its easy for the help to pick up on and train them, keeps them hopping and they keep me sawing.
I've already sent my IT guru an updated price change I'm implementing with the new year. A big change will be my mileage. I've way undercharged on it by just charging one way one time even when I often had several days sawing with multiple trips. My last week 100 mile trip each way, I charged for both days and will be doing so from now on. That helps put the onus on the customer to have his logs better prepared, better help and be willing to work harder/longer. I've had customers stop with 2-3 logs left and say "I'm tired, lets finish these in the morning." Now I'll just remind them that will be costing them more so more incentive for them to push on through and not dawdle.
Quote from: Southside on December 09, 2021, 06:00:17 PM
Had a guy this fall ask if I could saw a 24" log for him.
"Sure, bring it over". He showed up with a 24" round piece of 16" long firewood.
I made a jig and got it done, only because I felt bad he had taken his firewood for an hour long ride and I guess I should have asked for his definition of a "log".
It would roll! Though it may have rolled end over end.
I put a monster 16 foot log on the mill today. It took an hour to move it and load it. The telehandler is down and going to the repair shop tomorrow. Hyd. issues with the auto tilt and left right tilt.
So I had to drag this 5000 pound plus log with the tractor. The big end was 33x36 inches.
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Even just lifting one end, the tires would flatten. So I had to lift just enough to take the weight on the chained in. I had to unhook twice to make a two 90 degree turns.
I drug it about 100 yards. Nice deep rut.
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The WM lift arms wouldn't budge it, so the Mahindra AND the lift arms lifted it. I would lift with the tractor until the front tires were squatting. Then lift with the lift arms. Flatten the tires, lift with the lift arms. Repeat. About half way up, the arms didn't need assistance.
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Now, I didn't want this monster to roll across the mill into the backstops, so I left the lift arms up and inched the clamp over until it stopped rolling.
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Then caught the clamp under it ever so slowly to roll it. There was no lateral movement with the clamp, just up a few inches to chock it, not clamping it.
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To turn it, I used the rollers
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I had to bibby a little.
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After turning it, the log moved too far on the rollers, so the Magic Hook was utilized.
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I got 3 sides flat before dark. I got the Magic Hook installed to turn the last side tomorrow. That 4th turn didn't work like before with the clamp, rollers, and chock. But I think I will try the grapple on it to turn it with more control first. The cant, right now is 3 sided and will yield a 23x18 inch cant. Still, a pretty big chunk of wood.
I do have any problem with the thick bark on this monster and the debarker. Maybe operator error, but the breaker keeps popping when the debarker bits off more than it can chew. Any suggestions?
hugs, Brandi
Would take 15 mins to set up Swing blade mill around where the log was sitting. ;)
Good job on getting it sawed, but as logs get bigger you want a different plan. ;D
I see a lot of beautiful vertical grain flooring in that log. What is the plan for it?
As far as the breaker goes, it's doing it's job. Aside from not using or taking off the debarker to gain just a smidge there isn't much you can do.
Welcome to my world Brandi, and you are now my Hero. I 'love to hate' those bigguns. (Or is it 'hate to love'?) Yes, you can spend a couple of hours+ but the satisfaction of getting-r-done is huge.
Brandi,
Congrats on slaying the monster. I had to use my Magic hook yesterday but on much smaller logs than that. I had to move a couple in each direction. My customers are always duly impressed when they see that.
Another tip you may try on those real hard to turn logs is also using a short board between the loading arms and the cant. Sometimes you just need them to hold the cant in place while you reposition the clamp for a better bite. Keep that option in your tool kit if needed. Good luck on getting that telehander back up and running right. I hope its nothing serious or expensive.
Great post Brandi.
Those big logs take time and they will test you.
The magic hook can also be used for turning a log by setting the hook near the top of the log and passing the chain underneath it. Lift the chain end with the grapple and you can roll it as slow or fast as you like.
Magic.
It'll be good to see how that log finishes up today. 👍
Quote from: Andries on December 10, 2021, 08:54:34 AMThe magic hook can also be used for turning a log by setting the hook near the top of the log and passing the chain underneath it.
At that point you can attach it to the log clamp and use it to turn the log.
Usually using the claw and clamp together is all that you need to do. Lift with the clamp and then let the log's weight against the claw do the turning.
You may also need to use the clamp to raise the log a bit to help the toe board for that first inch.
You can also use the toeboard to help turn the log. Raising the toeboard allows you to position the clamp under the log better especially if there is a knot or protrusion stopping you from getting the clamp under it where you need it. Raising the log with the toeboard then putting the clamp under it and lowering the log on the clamp when it is slightly off center can help slowly turn the log by turning it in small stages.
Quote from: Ianab on December 10, 2021, 04:04:29 AM
Would take 15 mins to set up Swing blade mill around where the log was sitting. ;)
Good job on getting it sawed, but as logs get bigger you want a different plan. ;D
That is the biggest the mill will take. The different plan is getting the Lull repaired.
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The truck is on it's way to take it to the repair shop.
I was gonna buy a swing mill. But at the time, Paterson or Peterson was being reorganized and couldn't give me a delivery time.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Southside on December 10, 2021, 06:43:57 AM
I see a lot of beautiful vertical grain flooring in that log. What is the plan for it?
As far as the breaker goes, it's doing it's job. Aside from not using or taking off the debarker to gain just a smidge there isn't much you can do.
1x12 B&B siding for a friend's storage building. 1x12 B&B siding for our chicken coup, and the cant will be turned into 4x6s for a repeat customer.
After resetting the breaker a few times, I shut down and got out the water hose to wash the deep dirt out of the gullies and hollers of that thick bark.
hugs, Brandi
After a breaker pops several times, it gradually looses it's 'whatever' and may need replacing. I had to replace mine because it was popping too easily. OK now.
Quote from: Magicman on December 10, 2021, 08:20:45 AM
Welcome to my world Brandi, and you are now my Hero. I 'love to hate' those bigguns. (Or is it 'hate to love'?) Yes, you can spend a couple of hours+ but the satisfaction of getting-r-done is huge.
Lynn,
Thank you. It is the second time I used the Magic Hook. Thanks for posting about it.
I really like a challenge, but not all the time. I really like logs the clamp and log turner will work correctly. I do like the big ones, but around 30 inch would do fine. All day long. For 20 footers, knock it down to 24 inch logs. Just got to go slow with the big ones, but the yield is awesome!
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Bindian on December 10, 2021, 12:57:36 AM
I put a monster 16 foot log on the mill today. It took an hour to move it and load it. The telehandler is down and going to the repair shop tomorrow. Hyd. issues with the auto tilt and left right tilt.
So I had to drag this 5000 pound plus log with the tractor. The big end was 33x36 inches.
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hugs, Brandi
Wow! That beats my LogZilla! Awesome work!
Well one day someone will "reclaim" that B+B and turn it into high dollar flooring!! ;D
I'm still learning, so was interested to see how the saw would cut this cherry stump when mounted in a different grain orientation. A family friend brought it by to cut some slabs to make floating shelves from. I won't vouch for the integrity of the slabs, but they cut very well with no diving, etc. He was amazed at how many slabs he got from the wood.
We cut the other half of the stump as well, which did not have the large chainsaw mistake cut into it like this one does, although the slabs were not as long as he may have wanted them to be.
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Quote from: WV Sawmiller on December 10, 2021, 08:30:31 AM
Brandi,
Congrats on slaying the monster. I had to use my Magic hook yesterday but on much smaller logs than that. I had to move a couple in each direction. My customers are always duly impressed when they see that.
Another tip you may try on those real hard to turn logs is also using a short board between the loading arms and the cant. Sometimes you just need them to hold the cant in place while you reposition the clamp for a better bite. Keep that option in your tool kit if needed. Good luck on getting that telehander back up and running right. I hope its nothing serious or expensive.
Howard,
Thanks. I will keep the board bracing off of the loading arms idea in my tool box.
The telehandler is having some issues with the aux. hyd. valves. Something is leaking a little at the wrong time and place. When I lower the boom, hyd. pressure moves the left/right tilt to the right. Since that pressure is not being relieved in the return line, things are messing up.
I already R&R the cylinder hoses because they had bad crimps and the unwanted pressure "bleed out" there. Then the wore out (not repaired right) cylinder blew apart. I was told the aux. joystick valve needed rebuilt. I told them remove it and rebuild it.
The mechanic told me I needed to schedule that with the owner, but could use the telehandler, but not the tilt. I moved the above photoed log with it. After parking and lowering the boom, pressure blew out the hose to the left right tilt.
This hose goes inside the boom about 36 feet and was replaced at their shop last spring. With multiple issues and each trip out here and back to the repair shop costing around $330 dollars in mileage and labor ($98 an hour), I decided to bite the bullet and pay $820 to transport it there and back. I figure it would take at least 3 trips out for the mechanic to get everything fixed right, if the machine stayed here. Also, to R&R all needed, another "assistant" mechanic may be needed at $49 an hour.
Hopefully, they will R&R the hose for free. Hyd. valve rebuilds usually are not expensive, it's the labor. I looked up under the machine to see if it was easy for me to remove the valve, but it is buried up beside the seat and looks like no access with the seat out. I can't see the valve from underneath, so a spider nest of hoses and electric sensor connections need to come out. Like I said it is the labor at $98 an hour.
When it rains, it pours. While under the machine, I noticed some of the 3 way steering valving has a wet sheen of hyd. fluid also.
When the Lull gets back home, I will have to rebuild the Mahindra's loader arm cylinders. The grapple's cylinders are leaking also, but those can wait.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Andries on December 10, 2021, 08:54:34 AM
Great post Brandi.
Those big logs take time and they will test you.
The magic hook can also be used for turning a log by setting the hook near the top of the log and passing the chain underneath it. Lift the chain end with the grapple and you can roll it as slow or fast as you like.
Magic.
It'll be good to see how that log finishes up today. 👍
Thanks Andies! Right now, the hook is hooked on the log to turn it. But when you use a chain and the hook, once past the center of gravity, it's a free fall to the bunks. That size cant will shake the machine when it hits flat.
I am gonna try to see if the grapple can roll the cant 90 degrees first. I will raise the rollers and put the tines (forks) under it and lift. If the tractor can lift it, I can back up, lower it to the ground onto 4x6s and turn it, then place it back on the mill. I noticed the other day one of my stainless bunk covers have a little crack in the end.
On second thought, I guess I could turn it with the hook just enough, then place the clamp under it. Then lift the log with the chain and hook until it rests on the clamp and slack in the chain. Then remove the hook and lower the clamp.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on December 10, 2021, 09:36:21 AM
You can also use the toeboard to help turn the log. Raising the toeboard allows you to position the clamp under the log better especially if there is a knot or protrusion stopping you from getting the clamp under it where you need it. Raising the log with the toeboard then putting the clamp under it and lowering the log on the clamp when it is slightly off center can help slowly turn the log by turning it in small stages.
I was using the toeboards, but have been calling them "rollers". Which work too good rolling the log or cant at the wrong times. I tried that, but couldn't get it past the backstops. I have two rollers on the backstops. I need to buy two more backstop rollers.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Magicman on December 10, 2021, 09:58:55 AM
After a breaker pops several times, it gradually looses it's 'whatever' and may need replacing. I had to replace mine because it was popping too easily. OK now.
Yes, now that I think about it........circuit breakers wear out and can pop for no good reason.
hugs, Brandi
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Quote from: Bindian on December 10, 2021, 12:57:36 AM
I put a monster 16 foot log on the mill today. It took an hour to move it and load it. The telehandler is down and going to the repair shop tomorrow. Hyd. issues with the auto tilt and left right tilt.
So I had to drag this 5000 pound plus log with the tractor. The big end was 33x36 inches.
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hugs, Brandi
Wow! That beats my LogZilla! Awesome work!
Thanks OLJarhead! It is an honor to hear "Awesome work" from you!!!
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Southside on December 10, 2021, 10:24:21 AM
Well one day someone will "reclaim" that B+B and turn it into high dollar flooring!! ;D
Then it will be high dollar weathered "barn siding"! It's kinda thin. I am sawing it to 7/8th inch.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: hilltopper46 on December 10, 2021, 10:52:00 AM
I'm still learning, so was interested to see how the saw would cut this cherry stump when mounted in a different grain orientation. A family friend brought it by to cut some slabs to make floating shelves from. I won't vouch for the integrity of the slabs, but they cut very well with no diving, etc. He was amazed at how many slabs he got from the wood.
We cut the other half of the stump as well, which did not have the large chainsaw mistake cut into it like this one does, although the slabs were not as long as he may have wanted them to be.
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Hilltopper46,
That there looks like some pretty wood.
hugs, Brandi
Brandi,
I have thought about buying two more rollers also to use on my two center side supports (backstops as you call them) but haven't done it yet. I figured they'd be more useful on the small stuff than the big ones. Let us know how they work out for you.
I assume you are using the 4X6 in much the way I was thinking of using the combination toeboards (Rollers) and clamp. I'm guess you raise the log with the toeboards and clamp then put the 4X6 under one side and lower the cant on to it to shift the center of balance and help roll it over. I may have to give that a try some time. I can see where that would help you turn the cant in stages.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on December 10, 2021, 12:56:52 PM
Brandi,
I have thought about buying two more rollers also to use on my two center side supports (backstops as you call them) but haven't done it yet. I figured they'd be more useful on the small stuff than the big ones. Let us know how they work out for you.
I assume you are using the 4X6 in much the way I was thinking of using the combination toeboards (Rollers) and clamp. I'm guess you raise the log with the toeboards and clamp then put the 4X6 under one side and lower the cant on to it to shift the center of balance and help roll it over. I may have to give that a try some time. I can see where that would help you turn the cant in stages.
No, I used the 4x6 as a chock when I moved the clamp to get a new bite to rotate the log. The claw was of no use, as it tries to come up right under the monster and couldn't be used to hold position when moving the clamp.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Bindian on December 10, 2021, 11:31:53 AMI was using the toeboards, but have been calling them "rollers".
So while you are renaming the components correctly, they ain't 'back stops'. Wood-Mizer labels them as 'side supports'. The back of the sawmill is where the taillights are. Those supports are on the side. ;D
Back stop is probably a circle sawmill term.
Quote from: Magicman on December 10, 2021, 01:56:54 PM
Quote from: Bindian on December 10, 2021, 11:31:53 AMI was using the toeboards, but have been calling them "rollers".
So while you are renaming the components correctly, they ain't 'back stops'. Wood-Mizer labels them as 'side supports'. The back of the sawmill is where the taillights are. Those supports are on the side. ;D
Back stop is probably a circle sawmill term.
Correct, side stops........................or side supports.
Back stops are in baseball.
hugs, Brandi
I got the monster cant turned. I used the Magic Hook and the clamp. Lifted with the hook.
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and used the clamp so it would not slam onto the bunks.
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At this point, I used lowered onto the clamp, removed the hook, then lowered the clamp.
Taadaa............................................
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Then it was off to pickup my Grand daughter from school. Gotta inflate Christmas yard thingies before sawing the cant.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Southside on December 10, 2021, 06:43:57 AM
I see a lot of beautiful vertical grain flooring in that log. What is the plan for it?
As far as the breaker goes, it's doing it's job. Aside from not using or taking off the debarker to gain just a smidge there isn't much you can do.
She had a lot of huge knots once her clothes were off.
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This knot gave me lots of waves.
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I almost got the wave out, going real slow, on the next pass. It was with a newly put on blade.
hugs, Brandi
I cut a big knot in a red oak yesterday with a tired blade and it waved a little at me so I switched blades then cut a 3/16" thick trim cut to straighten it out which it did. One of my helpers asked why I did that and I showed and told him and he seemed happy to understand.
Do you have sap issues with that pine? Are you a diesel user to keep it off the blade like many I see here? After sawing a lot of pine (White pine for us) I need to use a lot of WD40 to scrub it off the mast and such.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on December 10, 2021, 12:56:52 PM
Brandi,
I have thought about buying two more rollers also to use on my two center side supports (backstops as you call them) but haven't done it yet. I figured they'd be more useful on the small stuff than the big ones. Let us know how they work out for you.
I assume you are using the 4X6 in much the way I was thinking of using the combination toeboards (Rollers) and clamp. I'm guess you raise the log with the toeboards and clamp then put the 4X6 under one side and lower the cant on to it to shift the center of balance and help roll it over. I may have to give that a try some time. I can see where that would help you turn the cant in stages.
A roller on every "side support" would really shine trying to turn a knotty, twisted log. I have had those before where a big knot hangs up on the "unrollered" side suports.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on December 10, 2021, 09:33:41 PM
I cut a big knot in a red oak yesterday with a tired blade and it waved a little at me so I switched blades then cut a 3/16" thick trim cut to straighten it out which it did. One of my helpers asked why I did that and I showed and told him and he seemed happy to understand.
Do you have sap issues with that pine? Are you a diesel user to keep it off the blade like many I see here? After sawing a lot of pine (White pine for us) I need to use a lot of WD40 to scrub it off the mast and such.
The monster was dropped Tuesday. No sap issues. I only see heavy sap when it is left out in the sunshine.
hugs, Brandi
24' 8x8 today.
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Timber framer wants it perfect. The way I cut anyhow.
A little snow now so the chains are on. ;D
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Good job, Peter. It is difficult to get them that perfectly square.
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A big ash butt log. All the ash in my area of NY (Sullivan County. Catskill Mountains) are dead. The ash borer took them all.
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A nice stack of 1 3/4X8 ash boards. Future farm table.
402 BF of Rocky Mountain Aspen for a project down in the desert.
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It's good to see you sawing Dave. Your ground looks clear, no snow yet?
Out of logs so i put this to work
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It belongs to a friend of mine
This one will get a make over for me
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Yes I still have all my fingers
I've been haul'in and mill'in a lot of aspen the last couple months Linn--- we had about 4" of snow a while ago, but its dry and gone here. Theres only about a inch on the ground ( -9 last week )over at the timber patch--- I'm gonna keep on haul'in logs out till the snow finally flies and I cant get in there anymore. Need to move down your way this time of year to stay warm.lol.
I'll have a place for you my Friend. move_it
I know no photos means it didn't happen. But today a friend of mine and I edged enough pine to make about sixty 1x12x8 and about thirty 1x3x8 for B&B siding. These were all flinches I cut while fulfilling the 4x6 order.
I wore here out. She is 71, but we had a blast and afterwards grilled steaks and baked potatoes. Sorry Lynn, no photos of the steaks either. Guess I was so gitty to have company, I blew the camera off.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: goose63 on December 12, 2021, 05:31:27 PM
Out of logs so i put this to work
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It belongs to a friend of mine
This one will get a make over for me
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Yes I still have all my fingers
Hey Goose............63, I can drive up and take that piece of equipment off of Y'alls hands. I will give Y'all a pretty penny for it. I need it so I can have an excuse to buy a John Deere D model to rebuild and run it.
The D model was what Grandpa still had when I was little. I never saw Grandpa drive it, but my Dad and Uncle sure worked it. When were up there for "vacation".
hugs, Brandi
@Bindian (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=17364) I have 3 more sitten the trees
I found a stump that was being thrown away after a tree was cut down in someone's yard. I rescued the stump and was able to get a couple 4 inch thick cookies.
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The picture is actually me standing beside one of the scraps...the actual cookies were too heavy for us to stand up safely. Its about 68 inches wide at the widest point, the cookies are each slightly larger
Quote from: Bindian on December 12, 2021, 11:10:18 PM
She is 71, but we had a blast and afterwards grilled steaks and baked potatoes.
DanG, Brandi. Now I have to go out and get a steak. Your comment threw a craving on me ;).
Quote from: goose63 on December 13, 2021, 03:51:39 AM
@Bindian (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=17364) I have 3 more sitten the trees
I am not sure what you are trying to say and I am DanG sure I don't know what @Bindian (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=17364) means.
hugs, Brandi
Putting @ in front of a username is the way that the Forestry Forum alerts the person that they have been referenced in a post and gives the a link to that post.
Quote from: WDH on December 13, 2021, 10:35:10 AM
Putting @ in front of a username is the way that the Forestry Forum alerts the person that they have been referenced in a post and gives the a link to that post.
Ok, but I still am not sure on what he was trying to say.
Oh, and on the steak...................your welcome!
hugs, Brandi
Brandi You said you could drive up here and take the buzz saw off my hands and hook it up to grandpas tracter i said i have more buzz saws in the trees
@Bindian (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=17364) I was in Lafayette and saw that I was only 3 hours from you, but you would have been off the path home. I would love to meet you some day.
Quote from: WDH on December 13, 2021, 10:09:07 AM
Quote from: Bindian on December 12, 2021, 11:10:18 PM
She is 71, but we had a blast and afterwards grilled steaks and baked potatoes.
DanG, Brandi. Now I have to go out and get a steak. Your comment threw a craving on me ;).
See - if you had grown some grass instead of all those pines your steak would have been close by. ;D
Brandi,
Glad you had a good helper and a good time. I am finding these days my help is much more likely to be in their 60's and 70's than to be in their teens or 20's. That's a sad state of affairs IMHO. Glad y'all had a good meal and good time afterwards.
Quote from: Southside on December 13, 2021, 02:16:02 PMSee - if you had grown some grass instead of all those pines your steak would have been close by.
I think corn would give a better finish to that beef......Just Sayin!:)
Quote from: doc henderson on December 13, 2021, 01:17:32 PM
@Bindian (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=17364) I was in Lafayette and saw that I was only 3 hours from you, but you would have been off the path home. I would love to meet you some day.
Doc,
Maybe 3.5 hours. Google maps says 3 hours 40 minutes, but I was a little speed demon. I used to work 7 on and 7 off in New Iberia right down the road the south. It was 4 hours from the hangar to home. I had a 1978 Audi Fox GTI then and would scream down I-10 at 75 mph getting 36 mpg.
Prettiest drive I ever took was highway (I think) 90 along Bayou Black down from New Iberia down to Air Logistics' Houma and New Orleans field bases for TDY.
Why off the path? You could of took I-45 north into Dallas to hit I-35 and go on up thru OK City on into Wichita. Shoot, it is really a straight shot north up to you.
hugs, Brandi
Guess you have never had the good stuff then. ;D
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on December 13, 2021, 05:46:12 PM
Brandi,
Glad you had a good helper and a good time. I am finding these days my help is much more likely to be in their 60's and 70's than to be in their teens or 20's. That's a sad state of affairs IMHO. Glad y'all had a good meal and good time afterwards.
Howard,
So true. I told her I might be sawing full size 2x6s 20 foot long. She said if I need help to call her. That I will. I hate dragging the 20 footers off the mill and onto the pallet.
hugs, Brandi
well next time, if I am invited. we were traveling with another couple (two cars) but i would never want to just drop in, but next time i will plan better. We already had two family stops on the way home with family. the first in Shreveport meant we were already north, then Dallas then home. Thanks for seeming to be open for a meet and greet someday. i look forward to that. I did not figure out how close we were till the day before we left, and that was race day for the ladies. my wife Georgia, and her classmate Suzanne. her husband mike and I just try food and beer, and try to do what we are told (not so good at it). no pic of me and Mike, cause we are too pretty! :o :)
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@Bindian (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=17364) hugs, Doc.
Quote from: doc henderson on December 13, 2021, 11:10:55 PM
well next time, if I am invited. we were traveling with another couple (two cars) but i would never want to just drop in, but next time i will plan better. We already had two family stops on the way home with family. the first in Shreveport meant we were already north, then Dallas then home. Thanks for seeming to be open for a meet and greet someday. i look forward to that. I did not figure out how close we were till the day before we left, and that was race day for the ladies. my wife Georgia, and her classmate Suzanne. her husband mike and I just try food and beer, and try to do what we are told (not so good at it). no pic of me and Mike, cause we are too pretty! :o :)
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@Bindian (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=17364) hugs, Doc.
Sure Doc. Come on down.
hugs, Brandi
Piece of Old growth Western Red Cedar taken off the beach. I flat sawed it 7/8 of a inch so my brother can cut edge grain 1/4 inch strips off the boards to make a rowing skull for his Wife.Amazing the wood you can recover from something that looks like it should go in the burn pile. (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/35341/IMG_2794.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1639460366)
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@Dan R (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=25341)
Nice, but I have a question about your setup...
Does sawing sideways (like in your second pic) keep the blade cleaner and sawdust off the Cant?
:) :) :)
Drove 28 miles to saw for a 77 y/o customer. He had a bunch of small RO logs he wanted cut into 4/4 boards to re-floor a hog pen. I sandwiched him in because it was a one day job not too far from home.
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Most were a scant 8' long with 3-4 12' logs in the mix. Many only returned about 35-50 bf. No huge production job but the customer was good help and kept the boards leaving and the logs coming. We finished before 4:00 pm and it had warmed up to nearly shirt sleeves kind of weather.
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About 130 bf of 12' and a few 6' boards on top.
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A little over 700 bf of 8' 4/4 boards.
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Total for the job was about 950 bf and my minimum covers first 1,000 bf so he just paid the minimum fee and mileage. A nice customer and I found I knew his brother who I like real well.
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On the way home 11 miles from today's customer I stopped and set the mill up for tomorrow's job. It is time for my 1100 hour service but I did not have my manual/checklist with me so I'll try to squeeze it in tomorrow during or at the end of the day. Every thing is running good and that is just lubing and checking the mill.
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Tomorrow's logs. I figure 2 days due to the size of the several of them. RO & WO logs.
I did not take a pic but had a 30 something y/o construction company owner bring me 3 cottonwood logs, he est. to be 28 inches diam and 12 feet long. I walked around them several times with a tape. they were 44 to 48 inches diam. had an area in the center with swoop 12 inches up off the bed of the trailer. why did they not roll on their side you ask? Cause these were not logs, and all the branches held them in place. Oh, and they had lay in the field for a year, where they had caught on fire, and 1/2 a side of each log was charred. And one that was 48 inches wide at one end, was also 48 on the other end, but at a 90° twist relative to the other end. I had quoted him 100 bucks an hour plus blades. i thought I could knock out the 3 logs (as described) in a few hours, but told him these could take a whole day, and the lumber would be crap. he wanted it for paneling inside a horse barn. i offered to give him one of my CW logs for free if he wanted to pay the sawing. I made sure these were not sentimental for some reason and they were not. He was going to build a barn and the wood was to be for inside paneling. He said he had logs milled in the past. I think he was just excited. I sent him home with his "logs" and all his money.
Olcowhand,
I check in to the Forestry Forum just about every day but seldom post comments and pictures are a struggle. So if I get them where I post I'm happy. I'll work on orientation
Dan
@Dan R (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=25341) No worries, and I apologize if you saw my attempt at humor as something else. I was playing off of a reply in this thread not long ago where the poster had a pic of a stack posted sideways, and he said something like he told the customer that the wood dries faster when it's stacked on the edge....
Anyway, please continue to post these excellent pics and replies, and I'll keep my humor to myself....
Steve
Dan, after you upload the picture click on it to enlarge it. You will then have the option to rotate it left or right, sometimes my phone will turn them when I uploaded, so what started off right is suddenly 90 degrees out of orientation. Gotta love smart technology.
Posting the occasional photo "sideways" is like sawing into a metal part of your sawmill. There are those who have, there are those who haven't YET, and those who...... well, aren't forthcoming with the facts.
Keep posting the photos and your sawing. We have some members who are from the Southern Hemisphere and I can't imagine how they have to rotate their photos to get them right here.
@olcowhand (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=37942) I knew what you meant, and you were just a kidden. that is why I follow your comment with 3 smileys. We have all done it, and we all have to figure out the pictures. they do add so much to the story. @Dan R (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=25341) it just means you are part of the forum. Welcome. I still get teased about my mis-ID of a log on my mill, and @Old Greenhorn (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=42103) still gets comments on his 3-page paragraphs! :) :) :)
Quote from: doc henderson on December 15, 2021, 08:33:55 AM
@olcowhand (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=37942) I knew what you meant, and you were just a kidden. that is why I follow your comment with 3 smileys. We have all done it, and we all have to figure out the pictures. they do add so much to the story. @Dan R (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=25341) it just means you are part of the forum. Welcome. I still get teased about my mis-ID of a log on my mill, and @Old Greenhorn (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=42103) still gets comments on his 3-page paragraphs! :) :) :)
I learned early in life about the embarrassment of getting something wrong. Back in high school, I showed rabbits at the Houston Livestock Show. Dad & I read the rule book thoroughly and realized my pen of meat rabbits (bred for our FFA show Fryer class) could be shown in the new Pre Junior Buck and Doe class.
I was the only person that entered that class of Pre Junior rabbits. So when I found out I won first place, I was pleased. But I should have got 2nd and 3rd also. But these two rabbits were disqualified as being entered in the wrong sex class. Dad had miss sexed these bunnies! So basically I got first place by just showing up with the right sex in the right class.
So I got 2nd place with the 3 Fryers at my FFA show and sold them at our charity auction for $600. Bitter and Sweet.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: doc henderson on December 15, 2021, 08:33:55 AM
@olcowhand (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=37942) I knew what you meant, and you were just a kidden. that is why I follow your comment with 3 smileys. We have all done it, and we all have to figure out the pictures. they do add so much to the story. @Dan R (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=25341) it just means you are part of the forum. Welcome. I still get teased about my mis-ID of a log on my mill, and @Old Greenhorn (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=42103) still gets comments on his 3-page paragraphs! :) :) :)
Thanks @doc henderson (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=41041) , but I am going to back off my observational humor- and if @Dan R (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=25341) never posts another pic it's all my fault.
All this discussion about mistakes during posts gets me back to the old saying that the only person who doesn't make mistakes is the guy that's not trying or contributing. I'm humble enough to realize that I get a lot of good info from the good folks on this Forum, but rarely contribute. That alone should stifle my impulse to comment on someone else's otherwise productive contribution. I pride myself on being an "Encourager" to anyone who posts or replies in a thoughtful, enthusiastic manner, and I fell short.
My apology was sincere, and that comes with an implied commitment to do better in the future....
Steve
@olcowhand (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=37942) those of us that know you understand that it was in jest, and in addition to being kind, and funny, also humble. Proud to know you can call you a friend, and that is why I made the comment I did. it is easy to mistake comments in text in the wrong fashion. throw a smiley at the end, and keep making your comments and jokes, all in fun. we got you. my medical humor has sent me to the woodshed a time or two, and I think in person it would have come across in a better light. God bless sir!
No pictures, no tally, no mill. We met and started sawing promptly at 7:30 a.m and finished sawing the last log after 5:00 pm. Tried to tally but it was too dark. I was going to load up and bring the mill home but decided it is better to just wait till tomorrow. I'll meet the customer at 10:00 a.m. We had a good day and pretty lumber except some knotty, long dead white oak that was very uncooperative. I'll get pictures tomorrow.
I did stop at the convenience store to get my weekly trader paper and a couple of guys saw my sign on my door and seemed real interested about some cribbing. Evidently they are working on houses in the area and were looking for a source. I told them I can cut whatever they need. In fact my customer/partner had bunch of large short butt log cuts and we talked about cutting them. I told him not to waste them. I will see if these people call back. I gave them a couple of cards. The door sign on my truck gets me a lot of inquiries. My $10/month service ad in the trader paper is my most dependable source of advertising. I always keep plenty of business cards and hand them out freely and often.
Quote from: olcowhand on December 15, 2021, 03:09:22 PM
Quote from: doc henderson on December 15, 2021, 08:33:55 AM
@olcowhand (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=37942) I knew what you meant, and you were just a kidden. that is why I follow your comment with 3 smileys. We have all done it, and we all have to figure out the pictures. they do add so much to the story. @Dan R (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=25341) it just means you are part of the forum. Welcome. I still get teased about my mis-ID of a log on my mill, and @Old Greenhorn (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=42103) still gets comments on his 3-page paragraphs! :) :) :)
Thanks @doc henderson (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=41041) , but I am going to back off my observational humor-
Personally I kind of enjoyed you observational humor.
GAB
Quote from: doc henderson on December 15, 2021, 04:57:28 PM
my medical humor has sent me to the woodshed a time or two
Doc,
Howard smiley_nananana told me smiley_argue01 you go so often to the woodshed, you have a bed smiley_sleeping in there.
Merry Christmas hugs, Brandi
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on December 15, 2021, 07:56:05 PM
No pictures, no tally, no mill. We met and started sawing promptly at 7:30 a.m and finished sawing the last log after 5:00 pm. Tried to tally but it was too dark. I was going to load up and bring the mill home but decided it is better to just wait till tomorrow. I'll meet the customer at 10:00 a.m. We had a good day and pretty lumber except some knotty, long dead white oak that was very uncooperative. I'll get pictures tomorrow.
I did stop at the convenience store to get my weekly trader paper and a couple of guys saw my sign on my door and seemed real interested about some cribbing. Evidently they are working on houses in the area and were looking for a source. I told them I can cut whatever they need. In fact my customer/partner had bunch of large short butt log cuts and we talked about cutting them. I told him not to waste them. I will see if these people call back. I gave them a couple of cards. The door sign on my truck gets me a lot of inquiries. My $10/month service ad in the trader paper is my most dependable source of advertising. I always keep plenty of business cards and hand them out freely and often.
Howard,
When Y'all have a sign on your vehicle, do Y'all have to have commerical insurance?
I was told by a friend and co worker (before retirement), who had a stump grinding business. He had a magnetic sign on his truck, but took it off because his agent told him, if he had an accident and it was reported he had a sign on the door at the time of the accident, his insurance would NOT pay because it was a commercial vehicle. Anyone heard of that? I never checked out it, as I wanted a mag. sign.
Merry Christmas hugs, Brandi
To All,
Don,t worry about hurting my feeling I don,t have one. Really no problem here. I enjoy good humor back and forth. Happy Holidays to All Stay Safe and keep posting
Dan
Brandi,
I have liability insurance for my milling business but do not have a specific policy for my truck. I will be talking with my agent in the next few weeks as my insurance has to be renewed this month and I will discuss that with her.
I have more concerns about whether the dealer would honor my lifetime warranty on my truck than anything else. I've done battle with them a couple times already but so far they have agreed.
I had a couple of magnetic signs but I kept losing them. I got vinyl signs from a local dealer and they have paid for themselves many times over.
Thanks,
yes @Bindian (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=17364) and a woodstove, a fridge, and a head. :D :D :D :christmas:
Quote from: doc henderson on December 15, 2021, 04:57:28 PM
@olcowhand (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=37942) ...... Proud to know you can call you a friend, and that is why I made the comment I did.
Are you saying @olcowhand (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=37942) thinks a lot of himself? ;D
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on December 16, 2021, 07:36:31 AM
Brandi,
I have liability insurance for my milling business but do not have a specific policy for my truck. I will be talking with my agent in the next few weeks as my insurance has to be renewed this month and I will discuss that with her.
I have more concerns about whether the dealer would honor my lifetime warranty on my truck than anything else. I've done battle with them a couple times already but so far they have agreed.
I had a couple of magnetic signs but I kept losing them. I got vinyl signs from a local dealer and they have paid for themselves many times over.
Thanks,
Howard,
How much is your liability insurance and who is it with, if I may inquire? I don't have liability insurance, just the mill is insured.
I really would like a removable sign. When I get logs with the farm tagged gooseneck, I don't want any law enforcement pulling me over thinking I am a commercial vehicle. I have a commercial license, but don't wanna be caught in any gray area.
I got pulled over when bringing home free roller tables my local welding shop discarded. As the DPS officer walked up to my right window after noticing my farm tags........he asked if the load was my property. I said yes and he said have a nice day. So pulling my trailer with a sign on the door is a no go for me. But without the trailer, I would put the sign back on, as it is adding the trailer that qualifies as a commercial rig.
Merry Christmas hugs, Brandi
Quote from: doc henderson on December 16, 2021, 08:04:16 AM
yes @Bindian (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=17364) and a woodstove, a fridge, and a head. :D :D :D :christmas:
A head! What did you do Doc, bring some work home with you? :D :D :D
hugs, Brandi
Yep, I was correct. Just got an email from my insurance agent. This is what he said................
A sign automatically makes it a comml vehicle.
Merry Christmas hugs, Brandi
Brandi,
My liability insurance is changing because the company said they will no longer work through a broker in WV so my agent is looking and as of today she should be getting quotes (The current policy expires 15 January). I have one million per individual and 2 million per accident as I recall. I'll discuss the issue with her. I would never saw off site without liability insurance and in some cases it is required. I've done demos/workshops at school and for USDA and local forestry department and figure it is a must for such as them.
EDIT: BTW - Brandi I am the opposite with liability insurance for injuries or damage to others but no inland marine policy for the mill. It would hurt but I could absorb the loss or damage to the mill but not a huge medical claim. I checked on inland marine policies of my equipment but felt the prices were excessive for the coverage they offered but I felt the liability was reasonable (About $650/yr as I remember for it.)
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I went over this morning to pick up the mill and tally the lumber as it was after dark when we finished last night. I see I had 8.2 engine hours on the mill so it was steady sawing. We had sawed a little over 1878 bf of WO & RO. When I stopped and opened the gate another truck came in behind me. Turns out it was another guy who was buying some of the WO for his fence business. He was coming back for his 2nd load. I had corresponded with him earlier and linked the two up and the customer did not know what he wanted to do with the WO so he already had an order for a good bit of it which helped off-set his cost a good but. The boards are still scattered in the pictures because he and his son were stacking it when I pulled up.
I brought the mill home and did the 1100 hour service on it. I need to work on the drive side roller guide as the bolt/shaft seems to be loose and I have replacement parts on hand.
More 1x12s for B&B siding.
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Got up to 80 stacked this evening. First time the last board off the cant and edgings equaled exactly my target total. I am usually over. Rain tomorrow and working in the barn/shop. Sunday my friend will be back and we will be churning out 1x3 battens and girts.
Thursday, while stacking boards cut from the cant, I came across what looked like 22 bullets. 8 of them lined up in about 12 inches straight in two boards. Before putting that log on the mill, I scanned it with the metal detector while on the ground. I found two 6 inches long nails. The heads were visible and the crow removed them. Usually I gotta cut strips with my smaller chainsaw. Then I chisel or hammer the rows of wood out to get to the nail.
But these pieces of metal were deep. The metal detector didn't pick them up. But the blade didn't seem to be fazed when cutting through them or any change in sound. I pulled the blade and didn't see any missing flat points. I tried the metal detector on them while stacked and the detector sounded off for metal.
What was it? ??? Very soft steel? ??? ??? I mean it cut like lead. ??? ??? ???
hugs, Brandi
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The weather here i upstate NY has been unseasonably warm. Hit 60 the other day. So I have been milling most afternoons. I am working on cutting all the logs laying around to make room for logging this winter.Cutting mostly lumber for the new planer shed but this ugly old pine made some pretty bench slabs. You never know what you might find in a log.
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My brother in law does revolution reenactment. He needed a wide piece of hardwood to build a surveyors plane table. There was a big ugly, short Cherry butt log laying in the to big for firewood pile. I drug it out and trimmed it up. It had splits in it so I wasn't to hopeful. Ended up with some really nice wide boards for his project. You never know!
Quote from: Bindian on December 18, 2021, 02:33:27 AMWhat was it? ??? Very soft steel? ??? ??? I mean it cut like lead. ??? ???
Yes Brandi, I regularly saw through bullets and even jacketed bullets seldom affect a blade. I always point them out to the customer and leave them for character. I have had customers to build tables with book matched bullets.
I felled a giant today. This tree was about 4' tall and is our Charlie Brown Christmas tree, complete with one ornament at the top and a few lights. This is so much easier than getting out the big tree from the basement and we have lots of little loblolly in the field crowding each other.
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Quote from: Magicman on December 18, 2021, 08:53:42 AM
Quote from: Bindian on December 18, 2021, 02:33:27 AMWhat was it? ??? Very soft steel? ??? ??? I mean it cut like lead. ??? ???
Yes Brandi, I regularly saw through bullets and even jacketed bullets seldom affect a blade. I always point them out to the customer and leave them for character. I have had customers to build tables with book matched bullets.
Understand Lynn. But these pieces of metal set off my wand metal detector.
hugs, Brandi
Bullets/lead will set off my wand detectors too.
My Garrett Ace has a discriminator which will differentiate between different metals. My wands do not.
Looks like that Loblolly was leaning pretty hard to one side. Did you bore cut it or use a Humboldt? :D
Bill, that is so cool!
Quote from: Magicman on December 18, 2021, 08:53:42 AM
Quote from: Bindian on December 18, 2021, 02:33:27 AMWhat was it? ??? Very soft steel? ??? ??? I mean it cut like lead. ??? ???
Yes Brandi, I regularly saw through bullets and even jacketed bullets seldom affect a blade. I always point them out to the customer and leave them for character. I have had customers to build tables with book matched bullets.
I have sawn through a bullet before. But these pieces of metal set off my wand metal detector.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: firefighter ontheside on December 18, 2021, 06:01:57 PM
I felled a giant today. This tree was about 4' tall and is our Charlie Brown Christmas tree, complete with one ornament at the top and a few lights. This is so much easier than getting out the big tree from the basement and we have lots of little loblolly in the field crowding each other.
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Back in 1969, my Grandpa beat that record. We were going to spend Christmas with him on the farm. Mom told him the kids needed a Christmas tree. Grandpa went out into the yard and cut a limb off the cedar tree. I gotta look & find that photo. Your tree has twice as many ornaments that Grandpa's tree. Yaa..........good times.
Merry Christmas hugs, Brandi
my barber Frank has a Charles Brown tree in his shop. he is 82 with a white beard, bald head. I have to find him a sweater with a zig zag stripe to wear.
Back when I hauled fresh cut Christmas trees the boss would always throw on the load a few of the "Charlie Brown" sized ones, they would always sell. :D
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Bookmatched bullet holes in SYP.
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The blade was traveling from the right and I hit a nail in the top right corner before I got to the bullet holes.
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Bookmatched bullet holes in Pecan.
Quote from: Southside on December 19, 2021, 08:48:41 AM
Looks like that Loblolly was leaning pretty hard to one side. Did you bore cut it or use a Humboldt? :D
While I'm a big fan of the bore cut, my micro chainsaw was in the shop.
Looks like that poor SYP died of lead poisoning.
was cutting some paneling for my buddy Dallas out of cottonwood. he added a shed room for his camper and the last 12 feet would not be needed so it will become a climate-controlled room for his deer mounts ect.
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had squealing from the belt due to cold fluid and needing to tension the belt.
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after it was really spitting out the sawdust, and no more squeal.
I had to tighten my drive belt yesterday. 30 degree drop in temperature since I shut it down and drive to move it.
hugs, Brandi
I guess i had forgot to mention the Katts magnetic heater on the hydraulic tank.
Noticed that magnetic heater on your oil reservoir Doc. Which made me wonder; is it a low wattage heater which causes the belt squeal because the oil is still too thick?
Or are you milling in Canadian temps? 😉 ie: just too dang cold.
the pics are a little out of order. so I could not even raise or move the gantry without belt slippage. so the tensioning, and tank heater came next (first), and after that was the milling of the log. It worked fine last week at 60° despite the belt not having been tensioned in awhile (since this belt was new). I am not a fan of belt dressing unless the tension does not work (even then). I started the pic order with the first cut in the log, but that was after the work on the belt, and adding the heat. I decided it was the season to throw those pics in there as well. the heater will set there most of the season and be plugged in as the temps demand it. 300W
Nice, thanks for the clarification.
Some of those Kat mag heaters are available in 1200 W. ratings which will do the job when it's -20 C, but the problem is that they can overheat the oil in a localized spot, turning the oil reservoir into a fondue pot. It's better to use two or three 300 W. heaters spread out over a wider area.
Good work on milling in the frosty days !
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Drove 45 miles to saw these 3 maple logs. I think they were an 8. a 10 and a 12 ft'er. Sawed it all 4/4 (1-1/8"). Charged my minimum fee but I did waive my mileage since my wife and I had to drive over there to get a dental cleaning anyway.
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The client and his helper were very happy with the lumber and the fact I came to them. They were looking at having to rent a trailer and load the logs and figured this was a bargain. They really liked the wood. It did saw pretty good even with the knots. That longer one was a pain because of the stubs but I was able to spin it on the mill and saw them off. Maybe 400 bf of lumber and 1.6 engine hours used. They did have to ask me to show them how to use a cant hook as they had never seen one on operation so you came imagine the experience level. It was still fun other than my impatient wife wanting me to get finished and get moving toward home. (It didn't matter because I took her to lunch and she thought she had broken her new filling and we had to turn around about half way home and let the dentist smooth out the rough spot which was all it turned out to be.)
Monday John and I loaded and hauled a couple of loads of slash pine. Yesterday we went and looked at a telehandler to consider bringing home. Today we started the morning cleaning up slabs and burning some smaller stuff around the mill and loading the hot box with live oak. Around 10, we finally started slabbing a few cypress logs, cut out a couple of mantles and slabbed out a short, spalted sweetgum log. Tomorrow we will load the solar kiln with oak and sweetgum and saw a little more cypress.
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Sawing white oak trailer decking today.
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That white oak is too nice for trailer decking.
I was gonna ask if that was going into a house trailer.
Custom job. :-X
Good job! Yup, the very best White Oak makes the very best trailer decking. 8)
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Just making some 6x6 posts out of ERC. but I had hydraulics today. 8) 8) Boys home on break from college.
they appear to be liquid powered, but not sure it is oil. enjoy!
Diet Dr Pepper. That's the pilot son. I had to sneak the phone out, to get a quick picture. Amazes me how much more I get accomplished with even one of those two around. Oldest son and his significant other got there about dark.
Have been sawing frozen hemlock in between other work. Yesterday freezing rain mist all day ::) About 600bf left, cut sheet is 8,10,12ft 1 & 2 x 4,6,8. 12ft frozen hemlock 2x8s add up fast but do not like handling them ;D
Had to increase blade tension a little more than normal. The WM 747s actually doing great, but dull fast and suddenly and will try something else next time...
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Ordinarily don't keep much track of production but have been meticulous this time and all that did is point out the place for an edger, my biggest bottleneck by a lonnngggg shot. Edging on mill cuts my bf/hr in half consistently.
Stay safe and warm out there
Quote from: mudfarmer on December 26, 2021, 09:52:33 AM
Have been sawing frozen hemlock in between other work. Yesterday freezing rain mist all day ::) About 600bf left, cut sheet is 8,10,12ft 1 & 2 x 4,6,8. 12ft frozen hemlock 2x8s add up fast but do not like handling them ;D
Had to increase blade tension a little more than normal. The WM 747s actually doing great, but dull fast and suddenly and will try something else next time...
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Ordinarily don't keep much track of production but have been meticulous this time and all that did is point out the place for an edger, my biggest bottleneck by a lonnngggg shot. Edging on mill cuts my bf/hr in half consistently.
Stay safe and warm out there
Try the silver tips in 7° or ripper 37's in 7° I don't think you have enough engine for the turbo 7's
747 dull to fast for me
Thanks Bruno!!
I've used a kerosene flame heater in winter to preheat logs that were covered in ice and snow, helps the blades stay sharp longer.
I tried two 15 packs of 747 blades, and I won't be ordering any more as I find the beam strength of the teeth is not sufficient in my knotty wood. I don't know if I was asking too much of them or what but I may have 10 left to get sharpened. The teeth were breaking when in use. I recently ordered four 15 packs of 739's those worked better for me.
GAB
That mirrors my experience with the 747s as well GAB. Got a good deal on these but will not buy more. Broken teeth as well (not frozen logs). They do cut well when I get it all dialed and the right wood but should be able to saw faster than my mill can to get best results and was not looking for disposable blades.
Quote from: mudfarmer on December 26, 2021, 09:52:33 AM
Have been sawing frozen hemlock in between other work. Yesterday freezing rain mist all day ::) About 600bf left, cut sheet is 8,10,12ft 1 & 2 x 4,6,8. 12ft frozen hemlock 2x8s add up fast but do not like handling them ;D
Had to increase blade tension a little more than normal. The WM 747s actually doing great, but dull fast and suddenly and will try something else next time...
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Ordinarily don't keep much track of production but have been meticulous this time and all that did is point out the place for an edger, my biggest bottleneck by a lonnngggg shot. Edging on mill cuts my bf/hr in half consistently.
Stay safe and warm out there
I have the best luck with 4 degree blades in frozen softwood and hardwoods.
26 hp LT 40.
I tried the RRQS method yesterday for the first time. The log I had was too short to reach the toe rollers on each end Which made it harder with about 6 inches of taper in a 5 1/2 foot log.It also was not long enough for my hydraulic side supports.I was able to make it work with the manual ones, what they wanted to move when I was rolling the log. All in all it was a good experience, thanks yellow hammer. I wish I would have seen somebody do this in person first, but I'm sure I'll do better next time. Still got some nice boards.
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Back in the saddle! Man it felt awesome to be sawing!
My customer wanted 6x6s 12' long. We made 12. We also made 8 6x6x8
He had a cute tractor or an awesome lawn mower, I'm not sure which it is.
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Quote from: SawyerTed on December 31, 2021, 06:39:20 PM
Back in the saddle! Man it felt awesome to be sawing!
My customer wanted 6x6s 12' long. We made 12. We also made 8 6x6x8
Good job, glad the knee is healing.
Welp, It's been a joy sharing as well as following your sawin' activities during this past year. While my sawing profile has changed a bit, sawing is still the best thing going. Here is looking forward to 2022.