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Title: Stihl 660 cold weather kick back when starting
Post by: Downstream on December 15, 2018, 11:07:09 PM
Once again this winter as the temps drop into 30's or colder my MS 660 seems to want to kick back more frequently when I go to pull start it on colder mornings. It's almost like the decomp valve is malfunctioning, but I put in a new one last year when this happened in colder weather.  Does not seem to happen very often when temps are 50 or higher.  One of these days it is going to pull my shoulder out of joint.  I start getting gun shy after it does it a couple of times.  Anyone else experience this and if so any thoughts?
Title: Re: Stihl 660 cold weather kick back when starting
Post by: DaveP on December 16, 2018, 07:48:35 AM
     Mine has started doing the same thing for the last couple of months.  Doesn't do it all the time.  When the saw is warm it starts without kicking back.  Kind of hard on the fingers when the starter handle is torn out of your hand.
Title: Re: Stihl 660 cold weather kick back when starting
Post by: welderskelter on December 18, 2018, 01:32:32 PM
Maybe you girls should get a smaller saw.  :D Oh sorry I have the same problem. ;D The 066 acts like it only wants to turn over about twice in a pull but soon starts. Then its all worth it.
Title: Re: Stihl 660 cold weather kick back when starting
Post by: HolmenTree on December 18, 2018, 02:35:30 PM
I ran my old non decomp 066 for years with a short starter rope.
Now you want to feel kickback  :D

It all boils down to a good quality rubber starter handle.
I put a 1970's Jonsereds handle on the 066, best T handle ever made.

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Title: Re: Stihl 660 cold weather kick back when starting
Post by: Al_Smith on December 18, 2018, 04:49:19 PM
Stihl MS 460 rescue saw D-handle .I have several .
Title: Re: Stihl 660 cold weather kick back when starting
Post by: ehp on December 18, 2018, 04:57:48 PM
you want to see kick back, I got a stihl super contra and that thing will tear your arm off and you know its going to do it  but it sure can cut for a old saw .
Title: Re: Stihl 660 cold weather kick back when starting
Post by: HolmenTree on December 18, 2018, 05:02:12 PM
Yep those big slugs make compression.  My 090 was putting out so much compression it could only be started on the ground with left thumb on the decompressor button.
Title: Re: Stihl 660 cold weather kick back when starting
Post by: DelawhereJoe on December 18, 2018, 06:27:08 PM
My 12.5 hp log splitter will kickback from time to time, most of the time it kicks back is when the rope is just about all the way pulled out. You end up full on punching yourself in the side, its not very pleasant.
Title: Re: Stihl 660 cold weather kick back when starting
Post by: Al_Smith on December 18, 2018, 07:41:24 PM
I had an 084 Stihl come back on me hard and I could predict the weather for a couple of years over that incident .It now wears a D-handle .The snow blower being stored at my shop,12HP two stage came with a D-handle .Snow mobiles come with D-Handles for a reason .Follow  the logic ,just saying .
Title: Re: Stihl 660 cold weather kick back when starting
Post by: Busysawyer on December 18, 2018, 09:33:39 PM
My stihl 441 kicks back occasionally on cold morning starts.
Title: Re: Stihl 660 cold weather kick back when starting
Post by: charles mann on December 24, 2018, 11:12:21 PM
I would imagine it has to do with the cold air being more dense than warm air and does not compress as easily as warm, since there are more air molecules per volume with the cold, compared to when warn. It should also be putting out slighty more power too. My new (2yrs old) 661 and (3yr old) jonsered 2166 and my 1996 husq 372 all yank the cord out of my hand the first couple pulls. 
Title: Re: Stihl 660 cold weather kick back when starting
Post by: Pulphook on January 01, 2019, 07:50:41 AM
The MS 660 has the Stihl "winter mode" flap for carb air. Is it slid on ?
Title: Re: Stihl 660 cold weather kick back when starting
Post by: mike_belben on January 01, 2019, 10:10:05 AM
Fattening up the low speed screw doesnt help? 
Title: Re: Stihl 660 cold weather kick back when starting
Post by: HolmenTree on January 01, 2019, 01:20:32 PM
Decompression valve may be carboned up and need cleaning.
For proper below freezing  winter use you need the full winter kit.

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Title: Re: Stihl 660 cold weather kick back when starting
Post by: Jack Lilley on January 01, 2019, 02:23:47 PM
I had a new Husquvarna one time that would kick back pretty hard and then the last time it happened the engine started running backwards. The cause was the electronic ignition was spaced too far from the flywheel, reset the gap and it was fine. You might check that.