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Title: Found a Beauty
Post by: Magicman on November 06, 2018, 08:18:27 PM
To a sawyer a Beauty has to be a log right?  I was at my property today after voting and found this Cherrybark Red Oak on the ground.  Saturated ground, tall tree, and wind does not mix very well.  :-\

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The butt swell is well over 3' and the butt log DBH would easily push 30"+.

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I have admired this beauty many times in the past.

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52' to the first fork and from there two stems (12"-15") still going up with relatively no side limbs. 

The dilemma is that I have no use for any lumber.  I have plenty already sawn and stickered for my barn restoration/refurbishing project.  This thing contains two years worth of firewood, but it is begging to be sawn.  :-X
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: WDH on November 06, 2018, 08:22:43 PM
If you don't saw it, I will come and get it :).
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Southside on November 06, 2018, 08:28:37 PM
Any parenchyma bands present?   :D Or perhaps a Mariachi band instead?  smiley_trap_drummer  smiley_guitarist horn_smiley
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Magicman on November 06, 2018, 08:35:13 PM
It was being closely guarded by these guys:

IMG 2096 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObxeCbUODwU)
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on November 06, 2018, 08:41:36 PM
Saw you some Mantels and store them.
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: redbeard on November 06, 2018, 08:57:46 PM
Now you have too show us all what's inside that beauty
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Magicman on November 06, 2018, 09:00:07 PM
This one will present several challenges the first of which will be extraction.  Any kind of reasonable length logs will be crowding/exceeding 4K lbs. which is much more than my JD 1530 e/w my Tajfun logging winch can handle.  :-\
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Brad_bb on November 06, 2018, 09:11:15 PM
MM, Firewood logs are meant to be firewood (but oftentimes live edge braces in my case).  Saw logs are meant to be sawn, and veneer logs are meant to be sawn if we get our hands on them first.  

That would be a good tie beam log given its length and qualities. Or RRQS logs.

Don't you know anyone with a boom forklift or a big skid steer to help you get it out? Firewood would be a sin.  You gotta mill it.
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Don P on November 06, 2018, 09:20:05 PM
Brad beat me to it, that thing looks nice.
If the twist isn't too much that looks like it would grade very well as a large, long, red oak beam. That's the kind of tree we were scouring the woods for last year for our barn repair projects.
We made the beams in the woods with a CSM... if there is anyone in your neighborhood who is doing that or a timberframe they could do that. The beam came out easier than the log and then we bucked the large slabs and took them out to the sawmill in board lengths easily.
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: WV Sawmiller on November 06, 2018, 09:21:18 PM
Lynn,

   Sorry you lost such a nice wildlife tree. Hope you can salvage some good lumber out of what is left.

    How far will you have to snake the logs out to a spot you could reasonably get and set up your sawmill? 
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Magicman on November 06, 2018, 09:32:50 PM
It would take a skidder to get the entire stem out and that ain't happening.
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: SawyerTed on November 06, 2018, 10:41:39 PM
I feel your pain - 20 or so hardwood trees came down in TS Michael. The biggest are white oaks and hickories.  I'm stuck with the dilemma of how to get some of them out of the woods as well.  Our farm is extremely steep so the dilemma is compounded.  I do have the opposite problem- plenty of firewood and a need for lumber. 

One red oak produced 5 9' saw logs with the smallest end 18".  
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: DelawhereJoe on November 06, 2018, 10:44:25 PM
You probably have 2 years worth of firewood just in the branches with as far south as you live. It would be sad to see that beautiful straight tree chopped up into firewood when you have a sawmill just sitting around.
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Ianab on November 07, 2018, 01:23:18 AM
Need to find someone with a little swing blade mill  ;D

I'm a bit far away, but I'd saw up a tree like that where it's laying and haul the boards out with whatever machine you had handy, quad bike or bigger. 
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: WDH on November 07, 2018, 07:56:26 AM
I have the same problem courtesy of Hurricane Michael.


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Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Magicman on November 07, 2018, 08:59:48 AM
In 2010, I lost these two Cherrybark Oaks due to lightening:

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They were both over 36" DBH.

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And then in 2014, these two fell in opposite directions.  The closest was a Water Oak and the other a Cherrybark Oak.  Both were well over 40" DBH.

Sadly I was unable to recover any of them due to their location.  I have learned to accept that which I can not control.  :-\
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Rhodemont on November 07, 2018, 10:24:30 AM
I have not yet come to terms as you have MM.  With a tree that nice i would be waiting for ground to freeze and going after it.  Probably making a mess and looking like a fool doing it like I did with a particular log last winter.
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: derhntr on November 07, 2018, 12:55:23 PM
Split the trunk with black powder to size your winch can haul out. 
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: WV Sawmiller on November 07, 2018, 02:05:15 PM
Quote from: Rhodemont on November 07, 2018, 10:24:30 AM
I have not yet come to terms as you have MM.  With a tree that nice i would be waiting for ground to freeze and going after it.  Probably making a mess and looking like a fool doing it like I did with a particular log last winter.
Rhody,

   By the time the ground froze in hard enough in Mississippi to get heavy equipment in to that log it would likely have already rotted to sawdust on it's own. :D

Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Magicman on November 07, 2018, 02:11:40 PM
Correct Howard, our ground does not freeze. 

I talked with Marty and it appears that the lumber is destined to become flooring in his home.  I also talked with my kiln/milling guy to verify the length and widths that he prefers.  I will saw, sticker, and air dry before delivering it to him in March.  We now have a plan.   :)
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Brad_bb on November 07, 2018, 05:12:39 PM
Magic, if the butt log is cut 8' long and it 30 on the small end and 33 on the big end (cause you'll trim the swell), then the log weight should be about 2700 LBS.  Can't your machine handle skidding that?  Or can the loader arms on the mill handle it?  If there's a will there's a way.  Gun barrel them, split the quarter sawn boards out of the middle, and RRQS the remaining halves.

Just saw your response.  If it's going to be flooring, maybe at least conventional quarter saw it if you don't want to RRQS.
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: DelawhereJoe on November 07, 2018, 05:21:24 PM
If your chainsaw isn't big enough you could always pick up a farmer tech ms 660 "devil in a blue dress" cut in at 12'6" saw it down the middle and split it in two, then skid them out that way.
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: DPatton on November 07, 2018, 08:03:37 PM
MM,
 You gotta think outside of the box! Helicopter, big one! Fly them logs to the mill!  :D :D :D.
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Magicman on November 07, 2018, 09:39:05 PM
Brad, I am not concerned with the sawmill handling anything that I can get to it and the tree is less than 50 yards from the road which will be my sawing site.  If I have difficulty skidding a log I can always wrap and roll it.  Even at 8½' the butt log is gonna be over 4K lbs.

My initial comments regarding whether lumber or firewood was based upon the fact that I personally have no need for any lumber.  Once Marty suggested making flooring for his den, firewood was out and lumber was in.

I should be able to do some measuring and maybe even some skidding next week.  I saw another downed Red Oak beside the creek that I have not looked at yet.  That plus another that is dead standing.  :-\
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Southside on November 07, 2018, 09:49:21 PM
Magic -

I have salvaged a couple of red oaks that had been down so long the sap wood was gone and made them into flooring.  The first one I did was headed to become firewood and something said to try sawing it to see what it looked like. The only description I can give is that it reminds me of reclaimed lumber.  Yes, there is a yield loss, but the colors are richer and darker.  I suspect it has something to do with the aging process that we can't duplicate as only time will make it happen.  I need to call a client in the morning about another oak job he needs and will ask him for a photo of the floor I did for him.  You may want to look at some of those that have been down a while too for Martys project. 
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Magicman on November 07, 2018, 10:05:47 PM
I am familiar with rotten Red Oak logs becoming flooring.

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This one did.  ;D
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Southside on November 07, 2018, 11:06:46 PM
Looks like the same ones I have seen.  How did it turn out?
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Magicman on November 08, 2018, 07:24:52 AM
Very nice as you described above.  The color was darker and  "richer" than the other logs.
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: thecfarm on November 08, 2018, 08:07:11 AM
That reminds me of my firewood logs. ;D  But I need firewood more than lumber. ;D 
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Magicman on December 18, 2018, 10:24:25 PM
An update on what is happening with this "Beauty".

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I put my brand new 24" bar/chain on the saw.  OK, I know that a Stihl 310 is not rated for a 24" bar, but I got it for special occasions and this is special.  ;D

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First sawing the butt from the stump.

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Yes the stump stood back up. Well partially anyway.  You can see it pulling loose at the bottom of the cut.  I measured and planned to jump butt 18" from the butt log just in case this happened.

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That 24" bar came in handy because the butt was 36".

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Two 12' and two 10' logs before we reached the crotch.  :)

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The top end of the 4th log was 23".

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I didn't have my snatch block(s) so we had to winch the two top logs first.

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The top two logs are out.

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The butt log is next which had to be double blocked.

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Had to winch it around this stump.

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'Bout ready to move the tractor forward for another pull.

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Winching the second log out. That Tajfun tractor winch did a job.  Those are my Grandfather's old 36" tongs.  They have been well taken care of and have never been nor needed to be sharpened.

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All four logs out and staged for sawing.  The next time that you see them will be on Whatcha Sawin ??

A short Video with the double blocks on the butt log:
IMG 5443 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEQ8MrgKgzc)


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The first two of three twitches of firewood.  The third twitch was two logs but it was too dark for a picture.  The near log was a standing dead Red Oak.

Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: WDH on December 19, 2018, 08:20:12 AM
That red oak was growing like a weed. 
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Magicman on December 19, 2018, 08:32:47 AM
Quote from: WDH on November 06, 2018, 08:22:43 PM
If you don't saw it, I will come and get it :).
At least you will not have to make a trip. 
Yup, from the ground ~50' to the fork.  Not the first limb, not even 2"-4" limbs.  :)
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Southside on December 19, 2018, 08:45:08 AM
It would be interesting to find some acorns from that beauty and see if the offspring do as well. Maybe Mossy Oak would pay handily for them.
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Magicman on December 19, 2018, 09:05:49 AM
There are easily 3-4 equally as good within sight of this one.  One even larger.
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Flintlock427 on December 19, 2018, 10:02:20 AM
nice log ,where did you buy your tajfun winch ,it looks well made ?
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Magicman on December 19, 2018, 01:43:18 PM
That Tajfun is a real beast.  I bought it from a deceased sawyer's widow.
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: richhiway on December 19, 2018, 05:33:32 PM
Nice Job. I like that winch!
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Brad_bb on December 19, 2018, 07:56:18 PM
What is a "twitch"  of firewood?
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: WDH on December 19, 2018, 08:26:45 PM
It is a "whack".
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Southside on December 19, 2018, 08:29:33 PM
Well - not really, kinda depends on the size of your horse. A twitch won't make a whack if you don't have adequate ponies.  
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: WDH on December 19, 2018, 08:51:48 PM
A twitch can be a whack, but a whack is usually more than a single twitch.  Depends on the specific gravity and moisture content of the wood and the phase of the moon.  These things can get tricky.  It takes an experienced expert to figure it out.  For a small fee, I am available to help you come to the proper conclusion.
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: DWyatt on December 19, 2018, 09:13:24 PM
Quote from: WDH on December 19, 2018, 08:51:48 PM
A twitch can be a whack, but a whack is usually more than a single twitch.  Depends on the specific gravity and moisture content of the wood and the phase of the moon.  These things can get tricky.  It takes an experienced expert to figure it out.  For a small fee, I am available to help you come to the proper conclusion.
This statement sums up half the conversations on the FF. Fro what I've heard, WDH is a "Very Professional Experienced Expert" :D
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Southside on December 19, 2018, 09:21:05 PM
Quote from: WDH on December 19, 2018, 08:51:48 PMbut a whack is usually more than a single twitch


"Usually", in this case, would represent the limiting factor based on the gross sum of deceased chief executives of a republic one has devoted to the acquisition of adequate ponies.  Should one dedicate enough deceased chief executives of a republic then easily a "twitch" can exceed a whack and become danG close to a "load". It all boils down to the Benjamins.  
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: SawyerTed on December 19, 2018, 09:53:55 PM
Sounds like bovine scatology......
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: rjwoelk on December 19, 2018, 10:17:55 PM
bovine scatology.  Got to keep that one in mind
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Magicman on December 19, 2018, 10:34:00 PM
That sounds like a twitch to me.  :D
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: WDH on December 20, 2018, 07:57:15 AM
OK, y'all quit all this twitching. 
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Magicman on December 20, 2018, 08:15:00 AM
I imagine that Marty and I will have a twitch to go to the Cabin tomorrow and work on that firewood twitch.  Well actually those three twitches did make a whack.

That "standing dead" Red Oak was 60' without a limb and about 22" at the butt.  I hate to loose trees like that but sometime trees just die. :-\  I am glad that I spotted it and was able to skid it out.  There is another by the creek that I have not looked at yet.
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: petefrom bearswamp on December 20, 2018, 08:17:16 AM
My understanding is that a twitch is related to animal skidding, horses, mules burros, oxen or maybe even whats in the bogus picture of a moose in harness.
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Southside on December 20, 2018, 08:22:42 AM
There is a twitch that is a chain on a stick and is used to hold a horses lip when performing less than relaxing procedures on said horse - usually involves a vet - and it's purpose is to keep the horses focus on its lip and not whatever else is happening. 
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: WV Sawmiller on December 20, 2018, 08:28:51 AM
   I can't ever remember hearing or using the term before but I suspect a twitch is very similar to a mess like a mess of fish or a mess of turnip greens with significant flexibility involved in the application.  If you get too worried about the exact dimensions and volume/weight involved and get a headache we can ask Danny to bring some extra strength placebos when he comes to explain it to you.
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Magicman on December 20, 2018, 08:31:18 AM
Or you could go to the "Extras" above and look in the FF Dictionary.  :P
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: thecfarm on December 20, 2018, 08:56:06 AM
My Father used that twitching word all the time. Twitching out wood. I would susupect that came from the horse,oxen days. He used the wood about a tractor or a skidder too.
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: WV Sawmiller on December 20, 2018, 09:00:02 AM
Quote from: Magicman on December 20, 2018, 08:31:18 AM
Or you could go to the "Extras" above and look in the FF Dictionary.  :P
OK, I double checked that and IMHO, the current definition could use just a little "tweaking".

Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Magicman on December 20, 2018, 09:12:53 AM
True, but I ain't a tweaker, I'm a twitcher.  ;D
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: rjwoelk on December 20, 2018, 09:17:55 AM
My butt starts to tingle when i hear the word twitch. Dad just had to give the warning and i would shape up really fast.
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: rjwoelk on December 20, 2018, 09:21:24 AM
But if you fix a twitch to get it out of the bush . You may tweak and twitter about it bit .
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Resonator on December 20, 2018, 09:44:51 AM
From what I understand, a twitch refers to any single log or group of logs being skidded out of the woods. The term gets its name from the side to side swinging of the longs (especially tree length) as they are pulled around corners, much like the twitching of an animals tail.
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Magicman on December 20, 2018, 09:49:16 AM
Quote from: Resonator on December 20, 2018, 09:44:51 AMFrom what I understand, a twitch refers to any single log or group of logs being skidded out of the woods.
Our understanding is the same.  smiley_thumbsup
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Southside on December 20, 2018, 09:55:04 AM
And now who can describe a "Dooryard" ?  ;D
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Magicman on December 20, 2018, 10:04:19 AM
I ain't from New England, but I saw plenty of them while traveling there.  ;D
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Roxie on December 20, 2018, 11:52:00 AM
I sure hope Marty shares some pictures of his finished floor.  Love a floor with character and history.  smiley_heart
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Sheepkeeper on December 20, 2018, 12:17:36 PM
Quote from: Southside logger on December 20, 2018, 09:55:04 AM
And now who can describe a "Dooryard" ?  ;D
That would be the yard outside your door as opposed to the yard outside your window which would properly be called a "Windowyard"  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: WDH on December 20, 2018, 02:25:38 PM
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on December 20, 2018, 08:28:51 AM
 we can ask Danny to bring some extra strength placebos when he comes to explain it to you.
If it does not involve vessel elements or sclerids, I can't explain it. 
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Magicman on December 21, 2018, 09:35:47 PM
 
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We bucked, split, and hauled the three twitches of firewood this evening.

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Ben taking his turn with the splitter.  It was dark when we finished so no pictures of the two full trailer loads of split firewood.  A 10' shown above and also a 16'; total was a bit over two measured cords.  ;D
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: trapper on December 21, 2018, 10:55:25 PM
You always say WE but I never see you doing any of the work.
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: DelawhereJoe on December 21, 2018, 11:31:01 PM
The supervisor just make sure the jobs get finished and done safely, if the boss gets involved then no one is happy.
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: LeeB on December 22, 2018, 12:15:30 AM
That should be enough firewood to supply all of Brookhaven for next year. 
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Magicman on December 22, 2018, 08:34:24 AM
Actually none was for me, it will all go to Marty's MIL.  That should be enough to last her 3 years.  There is another Red Oak down beside the creek that I plan to get for my use.  Getting enough firewood is never a problem here. 
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Resonator on December 22, 2018, 08:47:35 AM

QuoteGetting enough firewood is never a problem here. 
Board footage and cord woodage! (https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/thumb.gif)   (https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/campfire.gif)
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Magicman on December 22, 2018, 09:40:13 AM
Very descriptive!  Yes this started with a very nice fallen Red Oak that will become board footage. 

Sadly many trees fall into the creek.  With the Tajfun I can now recover some of them but if they are those 30"+ Red Oaks they just have to rot where they fall.  Double blocking this one was the only way that I could have recovered the butt log and it wasn't in the creek.
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: PC-Urban-Sawyer on December 22, 2018, 10:17:33 AM
Sorry to come in late on this one but in my experience, if you're standing at the stern of a bovine and notice it beginning to twitch, you're about to be smacked, either by the bovine's tail or by the stench of the end product of the digestive track...

Herb
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Magicman on December 22, 2018, 12:00:59 PM
I went by and took pictures of the two trailers this morning.

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The 10' trailer.

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And the 16'.  I know that by "Glacial" standards this ain't much, but for us "Tropical" guys it's about a three year's supply.  fire_smiley
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Andries on December 22, 2018, 12:53:37 PM
MM:
A nice load of 'cord woodage' - those two loads would heat my shop for at least a month or two up here in the glaciated up-yonder. (quoted from thee one and only WDH)
My eyebrows go up whenever I see Carharts, logging winches and log splitters without a solid 20 cm of white snow. 
How is that even possible ?
:D  ;D  :D 

Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: thecfarm on December 22, 2018, 01:06:51 PM
Almost like hearing Brig Crosby sing,I'm Dreaming of a White Christmas in MS.  ;D
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Magicman on December 22, 2018, 01:08:26 PM
Twill be no White Christmas here.  Matter of fact, I have never seen one.   :o

Notice that Luke has already stripped down to a short sleeved T shirt.  I think that we all did before we finished.  ::)
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Andries on December 22, 2018, 01:12:59 PM
Old saying up here:
" Firewood will warm you up three times; first when you fell it, second when you split and stack, third when it's in the wood stove." 
That beauty you found, it's proving the proverb - nice work gents!
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Magicman on December 22, 2018, 01:28:25 PM
I am sorta planning to (try to) skid those four logs ½ mile up to the Cabin so I will be on higher ground while sawing them into the flooring lumber.  Probably won't have but the two rear tires on the ground.  :o  I'll try the butt log first and if I can slid it, then the rest will be easy.
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: GAB on December 22, 2018, 03:14:44 PM
Quote from: Magicman on December 22, 2018, 01:28:25 PM
I am sorta planning to (try to) skid those four logs ½ mile up to the Cabin so I will be on higher ground while sawing them into the flooring lumber.  Probably won't have but the two rear tires on the ground.  :o  I'll try the butt log first and if I can slid it, then the rest will be easy.
All you need is a long stoneboat, and the logs should still be clean.
GAB
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: longtime lurker on December 22, 2018, 03:46:56 PM
Quote from: Brad_bb on November 06, 2018, 09:11:15 PM
MM, Firewood logs are meant to be firewood.  Saw logs are meant to be sawn, and veneer logs are meant to be sawn if we get our hands on them first. 
Best quote ever!!!
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Bearpau on December 24, 2018, 09:38:32 PM
Sounds like its time for one of those alaskan chainsaw mills in situations like these
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Magicman on December 24, 2018, 10:48:23 PM
I can easily get my sawmill to the logs where they are now it's just that it will be much more convenient after I skid them to the Cabin.  I know that I can skid 3 of them and I think the 4th.  I'll know this week.
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Crossroads on December 25, 2018, 07:05:55 AM
Good luck moving those logs and be careful 
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: LeeB on December 25, 2018, 08:06:35 AM
Does your winch lift one end any?
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Magicman on December 25, 2018, 08:20:30 AM
Oh yes, I can get the nose off of the ground with all of them which is why I believe that I will be OK with the skid.  I actually may have to remove the Tajfun logging winch and just have the quick hitch on.  This will lighten my load in the rear and will also allow the log to be closer to the tractor.  I'll know with the top logs what I will have to do with the butt log(s).
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Magicman on December 26, 2018, 09:08:44 PM
We have heavy rain forecast for the next few days so today had to be log skidding day.

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This is the second (from the butt) log.  I figured that if I could skid it I could probably get them all.  Yup, I had to steer with the brakes but I made the half mile pull OK.  Next would be the butt log.

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And then all four of them.  Yeah!!!  The sawmill will be next.  :)

So with time on my hands I decided to tackle the firewood tree that was down beside the creek.

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It was a nice Red Oak and the limbs had prevented it from falling completely over.

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 Two twitches and all of the usable sticks are at the Cabin to be bucked & split into firewood.

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While I was dealing with the firewood tree I spotted yet another Cherrybark Red Oak that has fallen on the other side of the creek.  :-\  Looks like a couple of 10' logs there but I didn't cross the creek and take a close look.  Maybe next week.

All of these downed trees are on the 146 acres next to the Cabin.  I can only imagine how many are possibly down on the 200 acres that I seldom enter.
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Darrel on December 27, 2018, 10:06:01 AM
Be careful how many beauties you find MM.  You may find yourself forced into logging or even lumber sales.
  8)
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Magicman on December 27, 2018, 10:34:20 AM
Rain today and tonight but Marty and I are planning to go after that last fallen tree/logs tomorrow.  Do it now because once that bottom gets soaked it will be a no-go.

Darrel, ain't gonna happen.  :-X  :D
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Bruno of NH on December 27, 2018, 11:26:30 AM
MM 
Do you have any ERC on your property ?
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Crossroads on December 27, 2018, 11:51:33 AM
How big is your tractor MM? That winch looks like something that could be very useful on my place, but my tractor isn't very big. It's only an 18 horse...
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Magicman on December 27, 2018, 12:01:25 PM
Yes, there is quite a lot of ERC on my property.  

That plus I have a whack of ~20 ERC tree length logs that has been stacked at the Cabin since 2011. 

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/20011/DSCN0151.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1435704827)
 
I have about given away all of this log length ERC.  The heartwood is still solid and I hauled/stacked it in 2003. :o

I am not interested in developing any lumber market.
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Magicman on December 27, 2018, 12:52:52 PM
Quote from: Crossroads on December 27, 2018, 11:51:33 AMHow big is your tractor MM?
My old JD is 45hp.  As I have mentioned several times, the front end is generally off of the ground with those heavier logs and I have to steer with my brakes.

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/20011/IMG_0839.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1467941835)
 
I can regulate the front end somewhat with the draw bar height.  Front "suitcase" weights would be nice, but I would not want any less hp.
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Oliver05262 on December 27, 2018, 02:06:28 PM
  What model JD do you have, MagicMan? I have a 2030 that looks a lot like yours, except I have a 146 loader on it.
 I want to make a front guard and some limb risers (sweeps) for it like Addington Equipment makes. I need something to keep the tree limbs off the lights and me. Mowing around the edges of these hayfields that seem to get smaller every year is a real punishment.
First two pictures are how it was when I bought it 10-12 years ago. I've added the loader and a rollbar since.(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/34291/shop3B_July_152C_10_and_Reynolds__2030_006.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1545937341)
 
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/34291/shop3B_July_152C_10_and_Reynolds__2030_007.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1545937365)
 
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/34291/015.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1545937416)
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Crossroads on December 27, 2018, 02:45:19 PM
I don't have anything on my place as big/heavy as your oak, but it's probably better if I come up with a different plan. 
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Magicman on December 27, 2018, 04:16:12 PM
Oliver, mine is a 1974, 45hp M1530.  I wish that it was the 68hp M2030 like yours.  :-\

I would love to have a FEL on it, or rather just a larger hp tractor with a FEL.  ;D
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Crossroads on December 27, 2018, 08:30:03 PM
With the snow blower on the back of mine I have to hook the choker to the bucket and drag the logs backwards, so I end up with the opposite issue as you MM. my back tires are off the ground much of the time. I don't move logs when momma is home, I'd surely be in trouble 😉
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Magicman on December 27, 2018, 08:41:20 PM
 
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/20011/IMG_0840.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1467941856)
 
The tractor winch is much better than the blade.  :o  Whatever you do, you should have something on the back to prevent a rear flip.  :-X
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Crossroads on December 27, 2018, 09:09:13 PM
Definitely! My BIL's neighbor flipped his over backwards while pulling a log and was killed....
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Don P on December 27, 2018, 10:39:42 PM
I've wondered but have never tried it, if you chain to something up front on the tractor and run the chain loose through a clevis on the drawbar, would you stay down? It's a dead drag then though.
We dropped a 3' red oak Christmas day here and pulled the upper sections with the truck in 4 low, there are still 2 8' bottom logs to go. There are a number of these to come out, I've let the trees around the house get too big for too long.
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Magicman on December 27, 2018, 10:52:32 PM
It should stay down Don, but I would want some kind of sled for the log to prevent it from digging in.

We had much rain today (and still getting it) but Marty and I still have plans to go after that last Red Oak tree that I found tomorrow.  The ground was solid Wednesday so I am hoping that we can get it out.
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: DelawhereJoe on December 27, 2018, 11:05:51 PM
Just find an old car hood to a land yacht, it should work great to skid that log.
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Southside on December 27, 2018, 11:14:47 PM
I can't believe that you don't have a Logrite arch Magicman... ;D
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: LeeB on December 28, 2018, 05:33:12 AM
Quote from: Magicman on December 27, 2018, 04:16:12 PM
Oliver, mine is a 1974, 45hp M1530.  I wish that it was the 68hp M2030 like yours.  :-\

I would love to have a FEL on it, or rather just a larger hp tractor with a FEL.  ;D
You can have. I'm sure the bank will help you get one.  :D
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Magicman on December 28, 2018, 08:05:11 AM
Quote from: Southside logger on December 27, 2018, 11:14:47 PMI can't believe that you don't have a Logrite arch Magicman... ;D


(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/20011/Photo492.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1395174990)
 
Not a Logrite but I do have a homebuilt arch, seen here with our late FF Friend Andy White.
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Southside on December 28, 2018, 08:18:06 AM
Ahh - very nice.  That will help as you build up your lumber business I have been hearing about.  :D
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Darrel on December 28, 2018, 10:17:33 AM
Quote from: Southside logger on December 28, 2018, 08:18:06 AM
Ahh - very nice.  That will help as you build up your lumber business I have been hearing about.  :D
He tells me that that ain't gonna happen. Maybe he's more magic than me, but whenever I say it ain't gonna happen, guess what happens.  :D ;D :D
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: KirkD on December 28, 2018, 11:53:13 AM
Quote from: Don P on December 27, 2018, 10:39:42 PM
I've wondered but have never tried it, if you chain to something up front on the tractor and run the chain loose through a clevis on the drawbar, would you stay down? It's a dead drag then though.
We dropped a 3' red oak Christmas day here and pulled the upper sections with the truck in 4 low, there are still 2 8' bottom logs to go. There are a number of these to come out, I've let the trees around the house get too big for too long.
With that much weight you should only pull it with a chain to a "real" drawbar that is bolted to the belly of a tractor not a 3 point hitch. This transfers the pull below and ahead of the rear tires to prevent flipping over. MM blowing up a frontal shot of your JD with the wheels in the air looks like you have a drawbar bracket on it. It there a reason you don't use it instead of the 3 point?
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: WDH on December 28, 2018, 08:43:24 PM
Oh, he sells lumber.  He just uses a pimp ;D. 
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Magicman on December 28, 2018, 09:42:02 PM
Quote from: KirkD on December 28, 2018, 11:53:13 AMMM blowing up a frontal shot of your JD with the wheels in the air looks like you have a drawbar bracket on it. It there a reason you don't use it instead of the 3 point?
I was using the 3 point with the blade attached.  That way I could lift the nose up to prevent it from digging in.  No way could I pull that load flat.  Also the blade effectively prevents a back flip.  I am liking the Tajfun because it will also prevent a back flip.

We had much rain yesterday and last night but with more rain coming we decided to try to skid that log out that I found a couple of days ago.

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Bucked and ready for a try at skidding.

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Ready for the skid attempt.

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Success.  Hopefully this will be enough for Marty's flooring.  If not, we will drop a tree.  Now finally we are ready for sawing.  ;D
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: WV Sawmiller on December 28, 2018, 09:54:41 PM
Lynn,

   From the weather reports I've been seeing for areas near you in Mississippi looks to me like you may be able to just float the logs out. Stay safe and keep us informed how this project works out.
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Southside on December 28, 2018, 10:12:36 PM
MM what about using a forecart for those bigger logs, basically a log arch that only picks up the nose so  you don't plow with the log.  Back when I was foolish, broke didn't own a skidder, I pulled a fair number of logs behind a work horse, it got a lot easier on both the horse and I when I acquired a forecart.  I mean, you won't look as cool doing a wheelie and all, but your brakes will last longer!!!   ::)
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Crossroads on December 29, 2018, 10:20:52 AM
I look forward to seeing the inside of those logs
Title: Re: Found a Beauty
Post by: Magicman on January 19, 2019, 09:12:52 PM
I hate to see a topic begun and never has an ending.  With that in mind, I will add links to show this log being sawn and later the actual flooring.

Logs staged:  Whatcha Sawin' ??? in Sawmills and Milling (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=80057.msg1624712#msg1624712)

Sawing:   Whatcha Sawin' ??? in Sawmills and Milling (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=80057.msg1624944#msg1624944)

Slab cleanup:  Whatcha Sawin' ??? in Sawmills and Milling (http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=80057.msg1628512#msg1628512)