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Title: What type of pine are these?
Post by: Sedgehammer on July 10, 2020, 06:36:48 PM
I don't know my trees all that well. Needx to clear out 25 of them where the barn is going to go. Just wantin to know what they are. Thanks
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Title: Re: What type of pine are these?
Post by: doc henderson on July 10, 2020, 07:04:49 PM
how about a close up or the needles and cones?
Title: Re: What type of pine are these?
Post by: WDH on July 10, 2020, 09:09:13 PM
Need close-up pic of bark and open cones and how many needles to a fascile (the little tape like thing at the end that holds the needle cluster together).
Title: Re: What type of pine are these?
Post by: Sedgehammer on July 10, 2020, 09:31:17 PM
@doc henderson (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=41041) 
@WDH (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=4370) 

Here ya goes


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Title: Re: What type of pine are these?
Post by: Southside on July 10, 2020, 09:59:25 PM
The one on the left in the second photo from the top is what some local guys call a "#1 log" pine when trying to sell it to me.... :D
Title: Re: What type of pine are these?
Post by: WDH on July 11, 2020, 06:48:58 AM
Shortleaf pine.  Pinus echinata.  One of the four major Southern Yellow Pines.  These are at the limit of their range.

Virginia Tech Dendrology Fact Sheet (https://dendro.cnre.vt.edu/dendrology/syllabus/factsheet.cfm?ID=101)
Title: Re: What type of pine are these?
Post by: Sedgehammer on July 11, 2020, 06:54:20 AM
needles aren't that long per the picture 
Title: Re: What type of pine are these?
Post by: WDH on July 11, 2020, 07:06:41 AM
From Native Trees of the Southeast. 

"Leaves evergreen, persisting 3 or 4 seasons, 2 1/2" to 5" long, 2 (occasionally 3 per fascicle), not twisted, fascicle sheaths 1/8" to 1/4" long."

Yours are solidly in the range of needle lengths. 
Title: Re: What type of pine are these?
Post by: Sedgehammer on July 11, 2020, 08:17:12 AM
Ok. Thanks.  
Very disappointing SYP. Twisted and weak. 
Title: Re: What type of pine are these?
Post by: Don P on July 13, 2020, 07:48:43 AM
Ah, probably no worse than bloated and heart rotted :D. Web members can often be #3, a good place for curved character stock.
Title: Re: What type of pine are these?
Post by: Sedgehammer on July 13, 2020, 08:26:55 AM
Yeah, but. Hate that expression. Always tell/told my kids, no yeah buts...... :o
These are the sorriest examples of SYP I've ever done seen. There's a good pine (different species), that's right next to these that looks like a good type. I'll post a few pictorials of it when it decides to stop raining on my parade.
Title: Re: What type of pine are these?
Post by: Sedgehammer on July 13, 2020, 02:14:24 PM
It's different. Trees on the left are loblolly per neighbor who planted them in first pic. He also said my trees were planted first, but as you can see are much smaller and not near as straight  
2nd pic shows the needle length. Tree on left is a loblolly. Tree on right is those in question. Clearly shorter needles on tree in question. 

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Title: Re: What type of pine are these?
Post by: WDH on July 13, 2020, 08:26:16 PM
Your short needled tree could be another species of pine and not shortleaf.  There are several short needled yellow pines. 
Title: Re: What type of pine are these?
Post by: Southside on July 13, 2020, 10:25:59 PM
Maybe the trees in question are just "tire"-d  :D  :D  :D
Title: Re: What type of pine are these?
Post by: doc henderson on July 13, 2020, 11:20:50 PM
southside, that was so bad, it was good! :D :D :D  wheely, wheely, good :) .  or they got a little "tanked" up
Title: Re: What type of pine are these?
Post by: Sedgehammer on July 14, 2020, 12:32:28 AM
Nah, you both blew it.... They are all out of air... You know, deflated... They can't handle all the pressure.... They went round and round, but fell flat....
Title: Re: What type of pine are these?
Post by: Old Greenhorn on July 14, 2020, 06:30:51 AM
OY. ;D
Title: Re: What type of pine are these?
Post by: samandothers on July 14, 2020, 08:43:33 AM
You all are getting a lot of miles outta this but about to run it in the ground.
Title: Re: What type of pine are these?
Post by: Southside on July 14, 2020, 09:14:47 AM
It could be as simple as the fact they were not planted during a Goodyear, they just seem to be skidding along, could take a turn for the worse at any moment.  Had to get that plug in there.   :D
Title: Re: What type of pine are these?
Post by: Sedgehammer on July 14, 2020, 10:59:43 AM
They are well rounded though, as they were able to smooth things out when they couldn't get any traction.
Title: Re: What type of pine are these?
Post by: K-Guy on July 14, 2020, 12:09:38 PM


I ran into trouble when my Pirellis skidded crossing the Bridgestone driving my Continental into Yokahoma because I don't TOYO around Mr. Cooper! When I got out of my car I fell on my Sumitomo and almost broke my Hankook.  :D
Title: Re: What type of pine are these?
Post by: Southside on July 14, 2020, 12:11:17 PM
Perhaps the initial identification is wrong, but I hate to second guess @WDH (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=4370) since that is his WHEELhouse.  ;D
Title: Re: What type of pine are these?
Post by: sharp edge on July 14, 2020, 02:50:07 PM
guessing-- Some one planted Scotch pine x-mass trees and they grew up.



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Title: Re: What type of pine are these?
Post by: doc henderson on July 14, 2020, 05:30:01 PM
slept all day after working all night and meetings this am, only to find this "tread" has really flown off the wheels.  tap the brakes and tread lightly boys!   :D  very puny!
Title: Re: What type of pine are these?
Post by: WDH on July 14, 2020, 08:30:03 PM
It could very well be Scots Pine which is a 2 needles to the fascicle yellow pine with short needles.  You typically see it further North but it has been planted widely. 
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