Have any of you run used motor oil for bar oil
its not a good idea , first you will burn the hell out of your bar and chain, second its very hard on the pump , I know lots of guys that do use it and they have a ton of trouble and another thing most people donot think about is the newer saws have a smaller oil tank so its even more important to use a good bar oil
No! It's much to precious! I use it for impregnating my wooden structures for storing firewood.
But if you decide to do it I would never buy a saw from you! The residue is just more than horrible.
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Logger88,many folks do run drain oil for bar lube but its a poor choice and not really healty for the saw and the operator due to carcinogens present. I consider drained hydraulic oil or drained ATF practical if filtered. Frank C.
Nope,have never even thought of it. I have never heard of it until I saw it on here.
Yeh I was just curious if any of you have tryed it
that is what was used back in the day in the 70s was all we put into those ole push button oiler saws. now use the intended stuff but back then not sure they even made bar oil lol... Might have been on the shelves somewhere but we did all our own maintenance on cars like a good number of folk at the time...
now I use it for starting the occasional brush pile fire, mix in a bit of gas maybe 50;50, and spray it onto the top of the pile. light and spray some more into the fire using pump up sprayer kind of like a flame thrower but got to be careful on how much gas is used as it can catch up to the tip of the sprayer lol...
Yeh works great for a fire starter as well as rust prevention on vehicles but now they have the fluid film which is even better for that
I remember a logger who insisted using drainings from the crawler to lube his bar and chain. I kept fixing the saw and he kept complaining and paying.
If your in a pinch and fresh out of bar oil grab some Canola or vegetable oil from the Mr's. It works well, and has some health benefits to the saw operator versus Dino oil being sprayed all over you and the environment.
I always use Canola wherever I cut that it might wash into a river or lake.
Quote from: SPIKER on November 25, 2013, 08:35:19 PM
that is what was used back in the day in the 70s was all we put into those ole push button oiler saws. now use the intended stuff but back then not sure they even made bar oil lol... Might have been on the shelves somewhere but we did all our own maintenance on cars like a good number of folk at the time...
now I use it for starting the occasional brush pile fire, mix in a bit of gas maybe 50;50, and spray it onto the top of the pile. light and spray some more into the fire using pump up sprayer kind of like a flame thrower but got to be careful on how much gas is used as it can catch up to the tip of the sprayer lol...
Back in the day long ago to use motor oil even for the mixture. Of course that was back in the day of the mighty muckaluck gear drives that ruled the forest. Last time I ran ours was 1954.
Harry K
I never remember my Father using used oil in the 70's. I have no idea what he used,but it was new. I can remember seeing it,it was like a green clear color.
I used it back in the 70s in my pioneer 1200A. Never had any problems with the saw. Made my clothes real dirty though.
been doing it for 2years no prob I refuse to pay 10-15 bucks a gallon and put it in the air or dirt DO NOT use 80-90 gear lube in the summer did it by mistake what a nasty smell just wanted to make ya gag 8)
Yeh that ten bucks a gallon sucks dad said he rememberes it being 1.50
hate it ! it sucks cleaning the tanks out and fixing them and they just go back and do it again. I know oil prices are making someone rich but dang it man, you wonder why it stopped working again >:(
QuoteYeh that ten bucks a gallon sucks dad said he rememberes it being 1.50
Right, back when wages were $1.50 an hour and now they are comparable at $10 per hour. :)
So it isn't much different.
My Stihl bar oil has been running around $9.
Tractor Supple has it on sale for $8 quite often. I keep buying it. I only have about 30 gallons on hand. ::)
Believe it or not they did a study on old crankcase oil for bar oil and it wasn't that bad.
Every so often on different forums somebody pipes up and says they save all their black oil from a fleet of crawler loaders etc and use it on a fleet of 200 chainsaws . First of all who pray tell has 200 saws they use in the woods to begin with ?They must I mean after all it is the internet ,it's all true ya know . ;D
Well whatever I'm not going to use it .I got two buddies with waste oil heaters they get the black oil .
Al, are you saying you actually BUY oil? :D
If you watch Menards and TSC you can buy it for under 5 bucks a gallon, last two years gotten it for $4.99 at Menards a couple times. few years back spring clearance at the local kmart bought 3 gallons $2.50 each 8) I picked up two gallons at menards month or so back so set for a while... maybe lol
Mark
Quote from: SPIKER on November 26, 2013, 11:15:11 PM
If you watch Menards and TSC you can buy it for under 5 bucks a gallon, last two years gotten it for $4.99 at Menards a couple times. few years back spring clearance at the local kmart bought 3 gallons $2.50 each 8) I picked up two gallons at menards month or so back so set for a while... maybe lol
Mark
cant get it that cheap from tsc around here ;D
I saw that before on here too. I think tsc here in Maine is $8 the cheapest. I was buying Poulin brand when the price of oil first jumped at walmart for some really low price. I could not go by a walmart in our travels without stopping and checking. I would buy a case,6, if they had it. Sometimes less than that,if that's all they had. That stuff was some thick too. I only used it in the summer. But I noticed tsc have changed the look of the jugs and maybe who they buy it from too. Seem to be stringy than the stuff they had before. I pour it into the saw now and I have to wait for it to finish the pouring part now.
I use to buy it from a discount store on the way to work. I would buy a case every so often. That was the cheapest place that I knew of. Than the price jumped and that was it for that place.
Car motor oil has a lot of additives in it. Way too many to be spreading it around my woods.
Thirty weight was the gold standard when I started out. Thirty weight nondetergent for the bar set me back close to seventy-five cents a quart, sometimes it was billed as lubricating oil for about a dime more. The thirty weight ND went in the two-cycle mix sometimes but I usually ran thirty weight detergent in there, cost close to a dollar. Funniest thing I ever saw was the first can of oil labeled "two-cycle oil" for damned near two dollars a quart! The tiny little bottles for fifty cents each were hilarious too. What kind of idget would ever buy something like that? Danged outboards are what got me started using the two-cycle oil, been downhill ever since.
Y'all caught my attention with the used hydraulic oil for bar oil. I got the oil, filters, and such sitting on the shelf to change out six or eight gallons of hydraulic fluid in my John Deere tractor right now, or at least as soon as this cold snap ends. May not be cold in some parts of the world but low twenties and windy is cold down here in the swamp. If that hydraulic oil makes decent bar oil after being drained and strained a few times I have enough bar oil to last me for life. Takes care of the disposal issue too. Would be worth the aggravation of trying to clean the solids and such out of it and pour off the top stuff a few times leaving the dregs behind.
Hu
shootingarts
"DanG" is the official word to use on the Forum.. just FYI ;)
And hopefully you don't have much for dregs in the used hydraulic oil.
Where is "down here in the swamp" ?? Could fill in your bio, and that would help out where "here" is. thanks :)
Quote from: beenthere on November 27, 2013, 01:15:48 PM
shootingarts
"DanG" is the official word to use on the Forum.. just FYI ;)
And hopefully you don't have much for dregs in the used hydraulic oil.
Where is "down here in the swamp" ?? Could fill in your bio, and that would help out where "here" is. thanks :)
I'll bear that in mind about Dan G even though I have never met him! ;D
Been in the swamp most of my life, south Louisiana and under ten feet above sea level, often a foot or two give or take. I have moved to the hills recently, north of the I-10/I-12 line. I'm on an old hundred acre dairy farm. Routine maintenance and turning wood from log to bowl or hollow vessel on a lathe has me using a saw a few times a week most weeks.
The tractor belonged to a cousin who purchased it new and paid the local John Deere dealer where he was at for regular maintenance. Since I have found few other things he paid for were actually done I suspect the hydraulic fluid and filters haven't been changed since it was new. The tractor isn't being used much now so by dregs I mean I suspect I'll find some water contamination, some metal filings, and hopefully that is all, maybe a little rubber. Leaving the bottom of the drain bucket behind I hope to not stop up the oiling system or cut up the oil pump on my saw. I don't mind losing a half gallon or so of fluid when I was going to haul all of it to the recyclers. I'll still do that with what I don't use.
I'll try to put up a little thumbnail bio later. Not too good at thumbnails as my posts indicate!
Hu
You just know bar and chain oil is made with the cheapest grade of oil they can find with a dye and tackifier added. Probibly most are made with recycled oil. Hydraulic and ATF are excellent lube and usally not contaminated with unsavory products of combustion.If left to settle most contaminants will drop out.I used to use turbine oil especially in the winter. Frank C.
Quote from: sawguy21 on November 26, 2013, 10:35:30 PM
Al, are you saying you actually BUY oil? :D
Well in a manner of speaking but it's been several years .
You see I'm somewhat ingenious and a miser .My bud the tree trimmer has a brother in law who works in a repackaging plant that bottles oil .Any leakers or stained jugs the employees get it for nothing .I must have 20 gallons of Dextron II plus about 5 gallons left of bar oil .
The trimmer is a snob .If it doesn't say Stihl on it he won't use it .
Now this oil business .Exactly what is oil .Geoligists say it comes from organic plant life that was trapped under the earth for several million years and turned into oil .If not oil coal ,peat etc .
Now sure something the size of the Exon Valdez that runs agound can cause serious ecological damage .The BP well in the golf made a mell of a hess .
A tiny bit of bar oil ,now that's kind of nit picking in my way of thinking .I'd bet the two major highways crossing Allen county Ohio ,I-75 and US 30 have more oil leak out of cars in one single day than all the chainsaws blow on the ground in one year .
So here they come with eco friendly bar lube ,jellied water .Industrial KY jelly is all it is ,water with a jelling agent .
Does it work ?I'd say if it does then these serious eco minded people would be wise to use it .What possibley could water hurt ?Save the salad oil to go on salads and the ethanol to make good corn whiskey and fatten cattle or use the salad oil to fry up the hamburgers from the corn fed steer .--mumble grumble --