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Started by Farmboy 96, May 24, 2015, 06:39:14 PM

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furltech

Quote from: Corley5 on May 26, 2015, 03:37:11 PM
An understanding, patient woman with a good paying job with benefits helps tremendously  ;) ;D :)  And that's no joke  :)
This is probably what has kept me above board on more than once when i was starting out .

nas

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luvmexfood

Farmboy,

Did you have the meeting and how did it go?
Give me a new saw chain and I can find you a rock in a heartbeat.

Farmboy 96

It went alright. Talked with the landowner and forester both. We walked the property and the LO and forester talked about what she wanted done and what the Forester thought should be done. The LO farm manager that she hired also walked with us. Once we walked everything the forester started giving her references of people she should use to do the job. The LO told him she was only going to have one person do the job. He said who's that and she pointed right to me. Found out that somehow she knew my grandparents even though they have been gone for 15 years and she's not from around here.After a lot more talking I realized that this forester is actually alright he is just a little odd. He said that he is willing to work with anyone regardless of age as long as they sign a contract because then your held liable for any damages.
The line is marked out by the LO and forester already with bright pink ribbon. All the wood will be dragged out and pushed up along the edge of the field were the backswath is, I'm responsible for haying and seeding it in the end and making sure it's clean of all debris. The best part is there is no time limit she said she doesn't care if I cut 1 load this week or 10 she doesn't care she just wants a little money here and their. I'm moving in next Monday or Tuesday depending on the weather so I'm graduating Sunday and working Monday. 80 Acres will keep me going probably until Thanksgiving time. We've already settled on stumpage to.
Pulp $13ton for pine & mixed softwood, mixed hardwood is $9, poplar is $22 Firewood $35/crd all sawlogs 50/50 after trucking Veneer she gets 60%after trucking. The lot has a lot of firewood on the front half but lots of big pine and oak in the back with a nice section of Rock Maple. 

lopet

Make sure you know how to fall properly when you fall and as to not hurt anyone around you.
Also remember, it's not the fall what hurts, its the sudden stop. !!

mad murdock

Congratulations fwrmboy!! Way to go. Work smart, and  work safe :) we will want to see pics when you get underway. 
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thecfarm

Have not even started and you are 5 months behind all ready.  ;D
Get some signs made up to put out by the road.
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Ianab

Good stuff.

I suspect the Forester is simply recommending loggers he knows will do a good job, which is natural enough. Do a good job here, he will see that, and you can be on his list as well.
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John Mc

Great. Do a GREAT job on this one, and he won;t be so hesitant to use you in the future. I'd make a point of touching base with the forester as work progresses and asking if he has any concerns or things he would like to see done. You sound like someone who will do a good job, but the forester will probably appreciate your asking.
If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail.   - Abraham Maslow

treeslayer2003

Quote from: Farmboy 96 on May 31, 2015, 03:32:01 PM
It went alright. Talked with the landowner and forester both. We walked the property and the LO and forester talked about what she wanted done and what the Forester thought should be done. The LO farm manager that she hired also walked with us. Once we walked everything the forester started giving her references of people she should use to do the job. The LO told him she was only going to have one person do the job. He said who's that and she pointed right to me. Found out that somehow she knew my grandparents even though they have been gone for 15 years and she's not from around here.After a lot more talking I realized that this forester is actually alright he is just a little odd. He said that he is willing to work with anyone regardless of age as long as they sign a contract because then your held liable for any damages.
The line is marked out by the LO and forester already with bright pink ribbon. All the wood will be dragged out and pushed up along the edge of the field were the backswath is, I'm responsible for haying and seeding it in the end and making sure it's clean of all debris. The best part is there is no time limit she said she doesn't care if I cut 1 load this week or 10 she doesn't care she just wants a little money here and their. I'm moving in next Monday or Tuesday depending on the weather so I'm graduating Sunday and working Monday. 80 Acres will keep me going probably until Thanksgiving time. We've already settled on stumpage to.
Pulp $13ton for pine & mixed softwood, mixed hardwood is $9, poplar is $22 Firewood $35/crd all sawlogs 50/50 after trucking Veneer she gets 60%after trucking. The lot has a lot of firewood on the front half but lots of big pine and oak in the back with a nice section of Rock Maple.
good deal! ask his opinion on things even if you don't like or need it, it may help you later.
prices on the saw and veneer sound good, pulp and fire wood seem high to me but we don't have much pulp market here.

Farmboy 96

Gotta get me 1 of those fancy phones that actually take a picture. I'm still using an old 2008 US cellular POS which doesn't take pictures. But I can't wait until next week.

thecfarm

Gotta get a web page too. Ask Jeff on here,I hear he does mighty fine work.  ;D Take some before and after pictures,pictures of your equipment,wildlife,flowers,spring,summer,fall pictures too,sunrise,sunset,winter.  :)
Keep the yard clean,cut offs need to go back into the woods or firewood. The yard is just about all that most people will see. One of my hobbies is walking through a logging job.
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Ron Scott

Yes, keep communications open with the forester so he becomes aware of your "good work" as a new timber producer and are placed on his list of references for future jobs.
~Ron

Ken

Do the job that is expected of you and you will have a feather in your hat.  Remember that this time of year requires additional care to ensure that future crop trees are not damaged due to the bark being very sensitive if doing a partial harvest.   Best of luck and keep us informed.
Lots of toys for working in the bush

Phorester


Good news!  The first job is the hardest to get.  Do it right and more will come your way.

Ed_K

 Congrat's on Graduating AND getting your foot in the door.
Ed K

brianJ

This is mostly a post script by now and I have enjoyed, learned a lot and mostly agreed with all the posts even some that seemed opposing.    I would like to point out a few things for you going forward.     Biggest one being your age.   You have already experienced people's perception of your age workingagainst you.   Honestly I would be that way myself against someone I didnt know. who was both young and starting out.

  But you have also experienced your age working for you though you may not have recognized it as such.  You have an aquantince  that sounds like your getting preferential trucking from.   The LO also could have easily gone with the bidding process or  wanted someone who could do the job in much less time or a forwrder not skidder or only in winter.    Instead she specifically chose you.  Both of these people had a personal connection to you which is precisely & exactly how you and the forestor started off crosswise :D :D   He didn't know you.

Age working for you and against you will eventually fade away and all you have left is reputation and in a rural area with a small population like central western Maine your reputation affects more than just you.   It affects others in your family and who knows?  Maybe many decades from now your reputaion will impact your grandchildren 15 years after your death.   Reputation at this point is worth more than profit.

Lastly get back in touch with that guy with the small firewood pulling job.   You didnt like the forestor doing that to you.  Dont do that to someone else.   These small jobs in your area might be a very profitable niche.    You got a great start and your success wont be just your already considerable experience, your mechanical aptitude or your market knowledge.   Each is important and all three will be formidable.   But more important yet is to be humble and self controlled and meticulously scruple for of such is a reputation built upon.


John Mc

If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail.   - Abraham Maslow

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