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Identify wood from the end grain of a board/log

Started by SwampDonkey, October 30, 2006, 12:34:52 PM

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WDH

I bet it is an Indonesian hardwood.  Many of the kiln stickers my company uses in the big pine mills comes in bundles clearly marked from Indonesia.  They get very brittle and splintery after repeated cycles in the kiln, almost like fiberglass.
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SwampDonkey

Looks very hard and tropical, but I have no idea from the picture. My keys and micrographs are for temperate areas of NA. It would be great if we had keys for tropical hardwoods or from other nations. Then, I wonder if we could read the text. ;D
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Dodgy Loner

Ditto what Riles said.  Scanning it in seems to be a great way to get a closeup of the endgrain.  Definitely a tropical hardwood, but beyond that I don't have a clue.
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WDH

Dodgy,

I bet it is the same as or a similiar species that you are so used to using to stick lumber at my place.  You should be real familiar with it by now :).
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Dodgy Loner

Yep, that's what I was thinking.  You're definitely right about the fiber-glass texture.
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It was scanned at 1200 dpi and then resized and optimized with PhotoShop.

So, Danny is the new local sticker supplier? ;D
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WDH

I went to one of our big pine mills and they let me have some of their broken stickers.  The mill uses 8' stickers for the kiln charges, and invariably, some of them get broken in use.  So the broken ones are sorted out and put in a dumpster destined for the landfill.  I got several pick-up truck loads of these stickers and they work great.  I have enough to sticker about 6000 bd-ft, which is way more than I ever need to have on sticks at one time. 

So, if you need stickers, contact some mills in your area and ask them if you can have their broken stickers that will be otherwise burned or land-filled.
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SwampDonkey

Ok, a wood ID for this board. I know what it is, but do you? It is hardwood. I'll give ya that for now, and this picture. ;)




I darkened the image down some, don't know if that helps. When looking at the board, you actually see the grain better by looking at an angle where the light reflects off it.
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Dodgy Loner

beenthere beat me to it!  Can't really tell what species it it without looking at the endgrain.  I'm guessing it's a hard elm, because the earlywood pores look really small (especially in the second picture), but it could be an American elm.
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SwampDonkey

It is elm. Here is the end grain if you want to try to narrow it down.

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Ironman

I knew it was Elm, I knew it was Elm.  Hard Elm I reckon.  Those fine, tight rings are a dead giveaway.
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SwampDonkey

The give away is the ribbon pattern of the latewood pores. It is American white elm, which have more dense pore ribbon pattern, making it a less dense elm than others. It was my grandfather's tree in his yard. Used to be a lot of big elms there and out at the mouth of the river were islands covered in big elms. The hydro dam was built down river in Beechwood, some 25 miles, and it flooded the islands in the 60's and killed the island elms. The stumps are still visible in the dry season when the water gets shallower and also at times when the hydro dam just above there has only one spill gate open.
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spencerhenry

can anybody post a shot of chestnut? i cut alot of reclaimed material, but dont know what half of it is. chestnut is super valuable so it might be good for me to be able to identify it.

SwampDonkey

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spencerhenry

thanks, thats what i needed. i was looking online yesterday and found a great synopsis of the lessons that you have been teaching here. i found it on the university of tennessee website.http://www.utextension.utk.edu/publications/pbfiles/pb1692.pdf

SwampDonkey

Ferric salt painted on the sapwood of maples will differentiate the "soft" maples from the "hard" maple groups. Blue stain indicates soft maple and green stain indicated hard maple. I'm thinking any fertilizer that controls moss growth and containing FERROUS SULPHATE will do the trick, I have not tried it.
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Tom

I wonder if rusty water would work as good?   Putting rusty water on oak, or even touching it with wet iron, causes iron tannate (the black stain).

SwampDonkey

You could experiment Tom, but they say it has be a ferric salt and I was trying to find online what the product name might be. I came up with the fertilizer for now. I think the rusty water will most likely turn it black like the oaks. I'll have to look into it further, maybe something in the Wood Handbook or the Wood Tech Book.
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SwampDonkey

I'm pretty sure from looking further it has to be the Fe +2 cation of iron in a compound known as Copperas (FERROUS SULPHATE) and is copper green. Here is a Wiki link to the compound. Basically, the hard maple won't react with a color change. It's applied to the green (wet) sapwood. I did see in this Wiki link that it's used on maple wood to make a silvery hue. Did anyone ever hear tell this use? I never did, and why would you want your maple to look silvery?  Maybe they mean to turn it weathered looking. Anyway, it's in the fertilizer to control moss, at 17 % concentration or there abouts. I'll see if i can get some to try.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron(II)_sulfate
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SwampDonkey

I saw your thread a while back Haywood and if you had a scanner and zoomed into a tiny section covering 3 or 4 rings and scanned at the highest setting we might have had a better crack at it. Trouble with the forum size limits it's not crisp clear enough sometimes to see the physical aspects. A picture might look clear enough, but it washes out the rays and pores.  ::)
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VTMapleFarmer

Great Post SWAMPDONKEY! I took a college course at Paul Smiths College on just identifying lumber by the cell structure of the wood. Its a great skill to have and it is very cool.

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