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Author Topic: timber frame, green or dry, pine or oak!  (Read 5713 times)

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Offline pineburr

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timber frame, green or dry, pine or oak!
« on: April 15, 2002, 02:23:50 AM »
 :P this puter stuff continues to amaze me , so much info
just can't  believe it . I'm looking for veteran sawyers and
framers , looks like I might get help here sure would appreciate any info you all might offer . Weak mind , not my
back , yet   :D :D :D . !  Have trees no mill yet , red an white
oak, yellow pine, hickory.


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Re: timber frame, green or dry, pine or oak!
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2002, 05:57:56 AM »
North,
  I guess your question was what to frame with???  Green oak and dry pine is the way I do it. (you willl only try to cut dry oak one time)  Grandpa always said "Red oak never lay it down and White oak stick it in the ground."  You just have to remember which way it will shrink and long spans will sag, so some braceing may be in order till it has a chance to dry.  You should always use very dry pegs.
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Re: timber frame, green or dry, pine or oak!
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2002, 09:30:08 AM »
Along with the posts, try the knowledge base.  We have sawyers and a few builder so there is either an answer to your questions or someone will create one  :D

The Links Directory will give you a head start perusing the webb too.

Welcome to the Forestry Forum N. La. Pineburr,   :)  
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Re: timber frame, green or dry, pine or oak!
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2002, 05:05:16 PM »
You might want to try the Timber Framers Guild at this link:

http://www.tfguild.org/

These are some of the best framers in the country.  They have been featured on "This Olde House".  They conduct workshops, if you are really interested.  They also offer several publications, if you just want to dabble.  :P
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Re: timber frame, green or dry, pine or oak!
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2002, 07:54:41 PM »
I just cut all post and beam for a 1.5 story carraige house.   the carpenter would only cut green red oak, though he said most of his post and beam jobs are in pine.
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Re: timber frame, green or dry, pine or oak!
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2002, 08:31:33 PM »
   Welcome North La Pineburr. Most were made with pine because it was there
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Re: timber frame, green or dry, pine or oak!
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2002, 08:36:44 PM »
Woodmills 1 were is the carraige house going i have a crane job to put one up down here in 2 weeks.
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Re: timber frame, green or dry, pine or oak!
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2002, 08:53:20 PM »
Welcome aboard N La. Pineburr --while your gathering info bring on some of doze Cajun recipes youse guys are famous for, all we get on here is from Michigander's and their kinda bland and flavorless, we need some spicey ones !!  Bring em on !!
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Re: timber frame, green or dry, pine or oak!
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2002, 02:49:34 AM »
I made it back ,  ??? sure appreicate you  all's input
brother is carpenter conventional ark, and he said oh yeah
white oak been used for seals for ever , just look under old
house places he said just never new it was bug and rot
resistant like cedar or cypress thought about pouring slab
using white for bottom plates and red for post and combo
oak pine for rest of frame . Kinda got a game plan but have'nt
decided on type of mill band or swing , what i read here looks
like lot of this depends how green your money is! Mind is
kinda moldey , have to  :D to keep from :'( !   just want to have
enough to get in  and keep dry in old years, and maybe leave
something for grandkids to talk about how'd he do dat!
Anyway which would be better for timbers as large as 10x16
and for small stuff also, what about support equipment gona
get a tractor combo do it all sorta thing whatchamacallit ;) ;)
Wonder are there any good free plans for solar kiln and barns
workshops etc.
                                                           
                                      thanks  ,

arkan,ron,mills1,woodman and bud I'll try to get some spects
on some classic recipes , i like it all , moma train me right
come in handy now after big D  :P 8) :P ;) life moves on just
glad to be somewhere !
                                     Pineburr,

                                   took advice , Tom !!! thanks



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Re: timber frame, green or dry, pine or oak!
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2002, 03:55:48 PM »

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Hey Ron SCOTT!!  Tell em about da soup.
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Re: timber frame, green or dry, pine or oak!
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2002, 05:12:07 PM »
Jeff's Soup. Some good stuff, you need to try it. See the Knowledge Base;  Recipes Section.




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Re: timber frame, green or dry, pine or oak!
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2002, 05:25:23 PM »
Lunch Time. Tail-gate Lunch with "Jeff's Soup" at the Logging Job.  



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Re: timber frame, green or dry, pine or oak!
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2002, 05:12:12 PM »
Jeff,
We've taken a liking to your soup. I gave friend wife the recipe and guess what we had for supper tonight? I'm sure I'll be eating more.
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Re: timber frame, green or dry, pine or oak!
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2002, 06:20:54 PM »
We make a pot about once a month. I love the stuff, eat it for 3 days!
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Re: timber frame, green or dry, pine or oak!
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2002, 09:31:07 PM »
...Pineburr, welcome to the forum.   I run 2 Mobile Dimension mills.  They are made here in Oregon.  They are an excellent investment, if you are interested in cutting primarely dimensional lumber.  They have two edger blades and a main side blade.  With one pass you can produce a dimensional board and have the mill return the board to you.  ;)  You can get the 128 model that will cut a single timber with one pass, as large as 8" x 12" .  
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« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2002, 07:13:57 AM »
Pineburr,
  If you are going to saw timbers and framing a swing blade is limited on the size of timbers.  If you want timbers (say a 28x28x21') then a band mill is better and you can cut off other stuff as well but you are limited on the the size of logs you can handle.  MD's like franks are good if framing and timbers are all you want to produce and I do not know what their capacitys are.
 But if you want to saw a 4x12x32 ft and put a 20 degree bevel on the top for the raffters a band mill can do that for a load of coin.  I saw out several houses a year and I can tell you that if you wish to saw much you will need a large hydralic mill or you will lose your religion and quite before you get into the dry.  $5000.00 of sawing will buy 23,000 bdft of lumber sawn.  Start felling and bucking logs and then start sawing and stacking then start building a house and it gets old.  There is more to sawing timbers then just squaring up a log and every log has good lumber and bad and how you saw it will depend on which you get the most of.
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