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Patty asked me to put some pics of her jeep that won't start on here. Keep in mind that any advice you give should be in person with a full set of tools along. ;D


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OK, Red, you shamed me into fixin' old Willy myself.  :P I got the book out and here is what he is about.

Model: MF-M38A1 made by Kaiser
Engine: 4 cylinder F-head Inline 4
Electrical: 24 volt (2 batteries to start it, the 3rd battery to run it)
Tansmission: 3 speed on the floor, 4 WD, Warner T-90

Anyone familiar with these?
I think I'll start with the batteries and see if  the 3 are still good,and  check the terminals. After that, and if he still won't start, we go to the spark plugs, plug wires, etc. This should take a while for me since I have never attempted anything like this. Any advice will be appreciated.

Patty,
I was going to ask if the engine has been missing,but I see it's right there where it belongs ;D

OK,I got that out of the way and I feel better 8)

Now what is Willy doing or not doing?Will he turn over?

I Willy want to help

Nice jeep Patty.
I think a chevy 350 will make it run. :D :D ;D Sorry just had to say that. Wear groves when changing plugs, keeps your hands from getting all beat up.
EZ

the body on that thing is in some great shape. i still see floorboards! do you still have the windsheild frame?

make sure you clean all frame connections for grounding. i usually expose some new wire, clamp on a new spade, and wire brush the threads in the frame, then use never-seize.
how many gauges worked when it ran last? its good to know oil pressure and if alt. is charging.

that twin stick transfer-case is handy! 8)

Red,
The windshield frame is still in one piece, it just came off at the hinges. It looked as though the hinges had been welded on many times. Yep, Willy and I are the same age, and  he still has floor boards too!  ;D
Most gages were replaced by the last guy that had it, he rewired it too. When our youngest was still home he replaced the batteries and Willy ran just fine. Then all of a sudden he (the Jeep)started just dying out of the blue as you were going along, and there was no getting him started again.

Now Willy just won't start at all. It turns over like it wants to start, but it doesn't seem to quite be getting enough juice. I figure the batteries need a charge to fix the no start problem, and Norm thinks there is a short in the wiring somewhere which caused it just to die as you were driving along.

"clamp on a new spade"  By the way, Red, what is a spade. Also,  "that twin stick transfer-case is handy", what are you referrring to here?

when a coil goes out ,they will do like your describing run then just die for no reason then when the coil cools they will start up , might be worth checking

I agree with Sawhead.Check the coil.
Neat Jeep.Sure makes me miss my 78 CJ.

I agree with EZ  a 350 chevy mill under the hood :o 8) :o 8)

I agree with the coil idea.  Check for spark before the distributor cap and at each plug.   Could have a points problem as well.   Could be distributor cap and rotor also.

Wish I could be there to help.  

If you are gonna change the horse power go with a 400 small block.They have ... well... more horse power.
But hey.I had a 74 Nova with a 250 straight 6 and that old dogg would kick some butt!

The small block chevy 400 had siamesed cylinders would get hot spots and not cool very well when upping the horse power. So I prefer a 350 with a 400 crank they call it the stroker. 8)

that glass bodied cj5 of mine has a amc 360 :o
gobs of power for that little thing, soon its gettin a barely used 304.

the spade is a terminal end for your wire. kinda like a wire nut, but you clamp it on with pliers. youll see what i mean when and if you replace your ground wires. any hardware or auto store should have them, and they come in all gauges.

that twin stick is for high and low range, and 4 wheel drive. its handy when you want low range, but not 4wd, like towing a hay wagon or navigating tight turns.
unless that t-case was swapped out for a newer one upgraded with power take off........in that case it should be dismantled and truck freighted directly to my cj5 and replaced with an original ;)kiddin

id go with these guys in checking power to the coil and the coil itself. i usually just put a new coil in, or you could test it with an ohmmeter, i think. ill do some reading on the test, or someone will chime in with it. never had a reason to test a coil, have oodles of em.

there will be enough rednecks in here to get that ol gal runnin!

 Hi Patty. I work on Jeeps here in KC and have seen the one
 like you have. If you can git Norm to let me test drive the
 WM i can come up some saterday and have a look see. I
 am in Phoenix now and will be home Wed night so just give
 me a e-mail and will see what we can do.

 Sawwood

There might be a ballast resistor in line with the coil. They used to go bad and you wouldn't get any spark. They usually were a ceramic block about 1/2 inch square and 3 inches long. You can test it with an ohm meter or just hotwire it.

See Patty.
You are gonna have that old jeep up and running in no time!
Let the good times roll!

If the coil is good  CXlean the spark plugs and file the points and she should fire right up

Woody

id change the points and condenser along with all plugs and wires, and cap and rotor. there, a tune up! proly needs it anyway. set your points with a buck folded in half, with just enough resistance to pull it out.

My votes for a bad coil to.  I had a tractor do the same thing heat up and die. Make sure you have power to one side of the coil when the key is on. I think I have a manual for that model jeep someplace.

OK, this is dandy guys, I'm gonna have to look in the book to see where and what a coil is.  ::)  Another point of interest, the book said to turn the key and see if the lights dim. Well I couldn't get the lights, nor the turn signals, nor any of the gages to work at all. Is this a coil sounding problem, too? Or does it have something to do with those three batteries not talking to eachother correctly?
I feel pretty stupid here, but really it is only lack of experience. (honest!) Put a sony medical printer in front of me, and I can fix it, show me a sewing pattern, and I can make it, I just have never had the opportunity to learn about cars. Speaking of engines, we do have an extra 350 sitting in a case out there in the morton, Brett had it pulled out of his '67 Camaro and dropped in a new one. I just don't think it would fit in the Willy, literally.
Lester!!! I like the way you think! You can have all day on the WM, if you take a look at the Willy! I'll even off load for you! 8)
As soon as you have a free weekend, head on up. Please PM, me when you get home.

As long as we're talking Jeeps..  Anybody ever see a CJ2A with the shift on the steering column instead of on the floor?  Ours happens to be on the column and is the only one I've ever seen like it.

Hi Patty...
 The first thing you will need to do is get your batterys charged up or replaced... clean the terminals of the batterys (sand them or use a wire brush ... I use my roto zip with a wire brush on )
  2  check your distibutor cap and clean the inside terminals.... The dist...should be on the engin side or top  a round black about 3 to 4 inch in diameter with 5 wires the size of a pencil coming out the top .... dont remove the wires they have a specific cylinder togo to....the center wire is going to the coil.....I am not familior with the willy but they are atached by eather a screw or a spring clip ... lift the cap off... your rotor is under neath the cap .... turn cap so you can see inside you should see 5 terminals 1 center for coil and 4 for sparkplugs these need to be cleaned .... emery cloth will do fine (sand paper )
 3,...  rotor  also needs cleaning with emery cloth only the end witch is in contact with the terminals of the cap....the rotor can be pull out it sits on a shaft... it could be stuck there and you will need to pull hard or in some cases prie it out ,   below the  rotor are your points
 4.  this little criter is what makes the spark that will get willy going.....as your motor turns the points will open creating a spark , the rotor brings it to the distributor cap then the wires to the sparkplug.... et voila le moteur is a start....
   the points need to be checked   once you have your batterys are OK  and you have the cap & rotor off  have Norm (had to get you in here somehow ) turn the motor over with the key    wile you check to see if the points are making contact and a small spark should hapen .... you can clean the points with a very small flat file , litely file the points by puting the file in between the contact point of the points and only a few strokes will do ( emery cloth can be used for this also it only to create a clean flat erea for the contact)
 If you have spark at the points your half way there ,,....
4, put rotor , cap back in place if you are changing the wires , change them one 1 at a time ,
   take a sparkplug out  they will be at the end of the wire check ther eif you have a spark Two ways of doing this ...one you will remimber a long time and a easy way.... your choice.... 1 hold plug in your hand and ground it to motor ....(if there is spark you will not need to see it ) 2 take a pair of insulated pliers and hold the plug to the motor and look for small bluish sparrk at the end of plug... if you got spark  your almost there
 5  once you get to this point.... try willy ifin he dont start it could be the gas so I would do this part and then when you get there we will coach you throught the next ifin you need coaching......  

Patty
 if you need any help understanding this IM me and I will try to help you out
  Marcel

Patty da coil or in line resister has absolutely nothing to do with da lights. From da sounds of things probably your best bet is to check battery and ground connections and trace your voltage from there. Sounds like you are loosing your voltage somewhere.

Did someone along the way possibly install a battery disconnect switch. They don't often fail but it does happen.

Why does this jeep have three batterys? I can understand two for a 24 volt system but why three. I rewired my CJ2A and converted it to 12 volt from 6 volt and don't see the need for more than one battery.Your only turning over a little 4 cylinder

Thanks to all of you guys, I certainly appreciate your help. School started up again this week, and of course there is the day job, and we still need to move some of Noble's pine inside, but in between this, I will start with the Willy. Norm brought over the battery charger today, and I'll get started with the battery charging tonite.
Thanks again.  ;)

Patty

Marcel- I am printing  out your post and will have it with me when I start into the next phase...after the batteries get charged. I'll send you a message if I get stuck.

  Patty
 I would sugest that you charge each battery individualy(?). That would tell you if you got a bad one..Marcel

Norm checked the 3 batteries today for me, the two that start it are fine, the 3rd one is dead as a door nail and won't even take a charge.So I need to buy a new battery before I go any farther I guess.
Why does Willy take 3 batteries? Beats me! The book I have says that the Jeep has 24 volt system . To clear things up I should say that the 2 that start it are both 6 volt batteries connected together. The little box that they fit in is only large enough for two 6's not one big 12 volt.
This is like learning a foreign language, I have to keep going to the book to look this stuff up! We'll get the old jeep running yet, then look out Bangor! All you'll see is a yellow streak with black racing stripes going by! ;D

Patty,
When you need help with the language, I speak both engine and english.  :D

Patty, I just keep picturing in my head you flyin by in that jeep.  Sounds like fun!!!!!!  Hope ya get er running soon!!!  Do you have a name for her, sometimes that helps if you can call em by name.   :) :) :)

 :DI think we should name it. "GUNTHER" like in Gunther Tootiey,,  :D :DDuh---Duane   Car 54 where are you?

pretty sure c.w. mc call wrote a song about this jeep,
"them big ol fat commando tires went slidin thru the corn"

When I got Willy, I tried to give him a name, a girl name, but that just wasn't right. So he was known to me as Willy. Then old Slick came along, and pretty much tainted that name forever  ::), so now he is just known as JEEP. Suits him just fine.

"Why does Willy take 3 batteries? Beats me! The book I have says that the Jeep has 24 volt system . To clear things up I should say that the 2 that start it are both 6 volt batteries connected together. The little box that they fit in is only large enough for two 6's not one big 12 volt. "

Well, I am wrong on this one. Norm says the 2 batteries that start JEEP are both 12V, hence the 24 V , and the 3rd battery is also 12 V . I pointed out to him that this would equal 36V, but he just rolled his eyes  ::), and walked away!  :D  Wondering I'm sure why does he put up with me!

Patty, I just finsished reding thorugh all the of the thread and it sounds like your Jeep issues are covered.  I couldn' help as my CJ7 1974 Levi Special has a 50 hp. Perkins diesel.  They only made 10 of them.  But, they do not acknowledge they even made them. :'(

Frank thats kool a 50 hp perkins in ajeep.was that factory?

Hi Mn_Boy,

We had some engine's up where I grew up in MN.


V8's I think they was ;)


Mark

QuotePatty,
When you need help with the language, I speak both engine and english.  :D

Patty; I know what You think about when saying You reading in the book. I have one book for measures and on Swedish-English dictionary all the time I´m here.

A girl I know was going to town using her husbands car, a Mercedes Diesel. He told her to check the oil first. Using a excavator all day he know to hold an eye on every oils in machines and engines and never let it be anything but full.
She turned off the lid where she had seen him let the oil, looked down but no oil there. Filled with 1 litre, not full. One more litre, not full........There was just 3,5 litre in the can so it "had to" be enought for a trip to town.  (^__^) Her husband too rolled his eyes that evening!

One day You have learned how to talk to Willie and then everyone in the neighborhood have to hide! :) And I don´t think You realy need 3 batteries.

Thirty years ago (long time before eco-driving and high gas prices) , one nigt in town i passed a Chevy -57. I had to stop and listen. The boy inside looked at me an smiled. I listened more and perhaps I rolled my eyes too.

He explaned that he was in the military and poor but wanted to drive that car all night. So he had put an engine from a Ferguson 35 under the hood for saving fuel and money. :O

Swede.

Stump Jumper:  Yes it was factory built.  They were experimenting with the idea of putting the Perkins in them.  The tork is terrific.  :)  I could probably climb a nice big Fir. :-/  Top, top speed is about 50 mph. and has a 4 speed, with the Levi seatcovers and a white fiberglass top with a roll bar to boot.  ;D

   I have spoken with Jeep dealers in the Valley here and they all do not believe I have such a vehicle.  At the factory they placed small swatches of yellow paint on the bolts to see of they would vibrate loose.  Not a one has moved. 8)

  Frank ,
 Is your perkins a four cyl. or a three cyl,..?
 Must be nice to be able to go to the shop and being told that they never had a diesel in there Jeeps....and pull out the envoice that came with the vehicle .....

Patty, when you get all three of your batteries charged up or replaced you need to see if you have any power.   You mentioned earlier that you had no lights or gauges but does the engine crank over?  Another thing to look for is a battery disconnect switch.  Also check your fuses, and check for good battery grounds.  If the ignition as a point system something to consider is a kit to switch from a point system to a pointless set up.  I have installed a couple of them and they are easy to install and you don't have to worry about changing those pesky points.  I hope this helps.

I would also add that you should most likely put fresh gas in the thing and have a look at the carbureator on your jeep too, after sitting for a period of time I'm sure theres some crap in the carb that should be cleaned out and the gaskets should be replaced as well. This should prevent any unexpected stops for parts later on. It is adviseable to replace the points ignition syetem with an electronic one too, plus you should look for a short circuit in the wiring from the batteries to the engine as this will aslo cause the problems you are having. I grew up in a garage and worked in one since I was 2 so I should have a fair understanding of the problem. I hope you get the jeep running soon, its a real nice looking vehicle.

I've yelled at, cursed at, and called names to equipment that would not run right.  I don't know if made the equipment work better but does make me feel a little better to vent. ;D ;D

Isawlogs: The Perkins is a 3 cyclinder.   Yes, it is fun to go to the local Massey Ferguson dealer with the Jeep and ask for it to be worked on.  :D  I do not take it to any "Authorized" Jeep dealer, as they would simply shake their heads in disbelief and refuse to work on the machine.

i think i seen one of those levis on the net somewheres, cant remember. i want one! i think its the same engine that was in our gehl skidsteer.

frank, sell that sucker and retire!

Redpowered, if I did sell the Levi Special with the Perkins, I would be going with it, as the wife would be sending me on my way, for sure.  :-/ It would be like Patty's other half selling her "Jeep" I am sure.  I only paid $2,000 for "Perkins" in the first place.  

it'll drive me nuts till i can find some info on the net!

Redpowered, you might want to make your reservation at a care center for your health, as I know that Jeep folks will not acknowledge they even built the DanG machine. :-/

  Good luck in your search, though.   ;D

you ain shazin, can barely find a levis honcho and they made them for years.
my buddy has a 41 ford gp, i thought that was rare.

Swede, I told your Chevy story to Harriet (my '54 TO-35) and she just roller her big old 6 volt eyes at me and said "Don'T go getting any big ideas, my motor is staying right here for another 50 years, BW"   :D
Frank, sounds like a cool Jeep.
Patty, do keep us posted, I love seeing a lady at work under the hood, heck, Bosslady used to change her own oil.  BWW

  All 3 of my kids, (2 girls) can do a LOT of vehicle maintenance. I told 'em, you bought it, you fix it, till they get in a tight ::) ;D :D

Your daughters are fortunate, FLA. My dad was less than helpful. Infact he didn't think his girls should even own a car, much less work on one.  ::) Quite a guy.
Norm got me my first car after we were married. That was just the first mistake of many  ;D  ;D
Not really, Norm is very supportive of my adventures.

Patty, did Your dad expect his daughters to run a WM?

*grin* Swede.

hows the jeep coming?

norm should get rid of some green equipment, im sure they keep the tools occupied. hed have LOTS of time to play with dat jeep ;D

frank, dying to see pics of your jeep

Well, Red, I went to town on Sunday and bought the new battery...that is all the farther I've gotten. You see these things take time. For example, just buying the battery was a two hour affair. First, you know, I had to get to town, this means going round the house and making a list of all the other things I need in town; then at the store you run into all these folks you haven't seen since fall and of course you have to chat about this and that, and then you finally get to where they sell batteries. I look at my list and see 12V battery, ok says I, this isn't too bad, I look back at the shelf and see not one 12V, but about 20 different 12V batteries. ::) What's up with that! So off I go to find some help, and of course everybody instantly disappears.After wandering up and down the isles, I remember that the guy who sold me the jeep works at this store! Off on a search for him, now, when I got to thinking, where would Dale be, and sure enough there's Dale out back of the store smoking a cig. "Dale!" says I, "what battery goes into that jeep you sold me?" "Oh, I dunno," says Dale, "it was the battery I took out of my old Ford pick-up a many years ago." "That doesn't help me Dale," says I, "I need to know what one to buy now." "Oh, I dunno" he says again, "was the one in there now kinda square like?" "Well hell yes, it's square, they are all square, Dale!" says I. I can see this is going nowhere real fast. I left Dale out back, he was on his second or third cig by then, still wondering what battery he had in his old Ford, when I came upon another gentleman who looked like he might know something about batteries and such. He didn't know about jeeps, but he was fairly certain and old Ford pick-up would take a size 26 12V battery. So we picked out a fine looking size 26, but wait! We need to test this battery before you can take it home!  ::) "test the battery?", says I, "I'm gonna die of old age before I get out of the store!"  But he insisted, and of course, being the nice person I am, I let him go test the battery. I have no idea where he went for the test, but it must have been a ways, either that or he decided to join Dale for a smoke, while I waited and waited....Thirty minutes later, I'm at the check out, and the cute little high school girl says, "Oh, I see you are buying a battery."  "Yes, here it is" says I, since it is the only thing in my cart, I decide she is just trying to make conversation. "Will you be using this on the farm?" she asks, "Why yes, kind of, you see it is for..." But she cut me off, and informs me she really doesn't care what it is for, but since it is for the farm, I'll have to fill out the farm sale form, and by the way where is the old battery that I am replacing? "The old battery is in the vehicle that won't start." says I. I knew that was the wrong answer, because immediately she gets the manager, and cops an attitude because I have the nerve to actually buy a battery without hauling in the old acid dripping battery.  ::)  More forms to fill out...the proper disposal of batteries, hazardous waste form, deposit form on the new battery, holy cow, nasty looks from all the folks standing in the line forming behind me, nasty looks from the manager, rolling eyes look from the not so cute anymore check out twit... By the time I got out of the store, I needed to relax and have a beer or two, but NO, I need to stop at the grocery store and return the sacks of pop cans that I'd been hauling around in the back of my SUV, clanking everytime I turn or stop. Folks at the grocery store don't like you returning pop cans any more than the ones at the other store like you buying a battery with out a return! Norm wonders why it takes me all afternoon to buy two things when I go to town!  ::)

  Patty, you need to go to Arky's "Sometimes" thread, and stare at the pic for a few min-u-ets ;) ;) ;D

 :D  ;D  Thanks FLA, I needed that.  ;D :D

Patty, did the battery work, after all of your efforts? :-/

Haven't put it in yet, Frank. We did take it over to the shed where the jeep is stored, and of course didn't have the correct size wrench, found a socket set, but then couldn't find an extension long enough, found an extension, but then realzed that the bolt was too tall to fit the socket over.  ::)  Went home, drank a couple beers and looked at Arky's picture again.  ;D ;D

thats the exact reason i dont go uptown.
my better half goes on my behalf. ;D
shes better at PR, anyway

Well now I think we need to drop by and get crackin on that there jeep. I'll be by as soon as my car starts and moves for me.  If it makes you feel any better, I dont like going to town for anything myself either, it takes me almost all day to get there and do all my shopping then return home. Hope you get the jeep going soon.

Patty is that Jeep breathing again or is it DOA still.

I am soooooo ashamed.  :-/  No, old Jeep is still sitting there with his new battery sitting there next to him. Sorry.  ::)
I promise I'll get to it this Easter weekend.

that battery isnt sittin on concrete, is it? ???

Patty, when you get Norm to change them batteries tell him to use a bit of rust reaper to losen things up and help get the crud off the wires.  It works really well for that! :)

No Jon, the battery is sitten on gravel. I'm too cheap to put concrete in the Morton.  ;D

come on, come on, drag your coffie cup and your favorite pup out to the barn and go for a nice, pre-easter drive round all norms nice green crap, then park it in front of the house knowin you worked so hard on that startin system that it WILL start on demand, whenever demanded.
gimme a call after you get the juice in and before you turn the key! :D
come on come on.......rrrrr rrrrrr rrrrrr BANG...... look at her go

Quotepromise I'll get to it this Easter weekend

rrrrrrrrrrrrrrr  rrrrrrrrr  rrrr  rr BANG!

I wanta see a picture of Patty tearing towards the camera with a great big smile and waving "GET OUTTA DA WAY NORM!"

on that thought, please, check the brake fluid :D

Patty borrowed my big socket set and a handful of box wrenches and headed out to the Morton this morning.

I on the other hand have been vacuuming.  :D

And the world was fill with peace and harmony because all things were as they should be...

i didnt know john deere made vaccums. might as well, they put their name on everything else. :D

             Eureka!!!!

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IT'S ALIVE!!   8)  8)  8)
I got the new battery in, (now there is a story, I'll leave it for another time) anyway got the battery in and thought "hey I'll just see if it'll start". By golly old Jeep fired right up! ;D Nobody was more suprised than me, and then I realized the throttle was stuck wide open and all my tools were still sitting in and about the engine  ::) (you see I really didn't think it would start), so I killed it. Put away all the tools, put the hood down ,all the time with this big old smile on my face. Jumped back in and tried to start it again, but no luck.  :( About 3 hours had past since I'd left home, so Norm thought he better check up on me, bless his heart. He cleaned and resoldered the cable to the coil, and filed the battery cables to clean them some more. Then we tried it again and it started right up! Purring like a kitten.  ;D

Funny Jon mentioned the brakes in an earlier post, the brake pedal went to the floor easier than the clutch! :o  No brakes at all. We filled the brake reservoir, but that didn't seem to help at all. I put in a quart of oil, since the oil stick read nothing, and took the jeep out for a quick spin. Who needs brakes anyhow?!

All is well with the world on this beautiful Easter weekend...my jeep is running again. ;D Thanks to Norm of course, and thanks to all you guys for your helpful hints and encouragement.

Any ideas on how to make it have brakes again? I'll get my book out and read up on them, and of course will appreciate your suggestions.

WA Hooo!, Hip Hip Hooray, Ye haw!!!  IT'S ALIVE!!!!!!! 8) 8) 8)

Brakes could be a lot of things, or simply rebleeding them since it's been sitting up for a while.  I don't think I would be very good at telling you how to do it through computer but I bet ya some of these better mechanics can help fix you up.  Like you said, WHO NEEDS BRAKES!!!!!  

Congragulations!!!!!!!

Patty;
looking at the picture of the carb it looks like the type that has a fuel filter screwed in where the fuel hose connects , if so remove it and check if its plugged i had a simulsr setup on my old cat crawler and it gave me fits , finally replaced it with an in-line the originals are just too small they can plug fast!!!
 :)

 Since Norm gets crock pots and frying pans as gifts, now he can get Patty wrenches and such. Good job, Patty. We all knew you could do it ;) ;) ;D

check to see if the wheel cylinders are leaking. where the brake line goes into the backing plate behind the brake, if it appears to be wet, its a bad cylinder
will the brakes pump up at all?
i dont think them jeeps had power brakes, so there should be a single resivor for the fluid. brake fluid picks up water from the air, rustin your lines and whatever else it touches. fill up the resivor with fresh stuff and see if the brakes pump up, if not then theres no seals in the master cylinder, or the seals work and their pushing fluid thru a cracked line.

whens the last time the brakes were bled? ive had to remove wheel cylinders, get a replacement piston kit, hone out the cylinder and get new lines for most of my jeeps. then ending up buying n.o.s. cylinders. if the bleeder screw wont move, get out the torches. heat it then quench it and give her a back and forth motion with the wrench and it should spin rite off, may have to do it a few times.

your jeep dont look to have too much rust so i think if you need to work on the brakes it shouldnt be too hard.

keep in mind, im a farmer, not a mechanic ;D

Oh, no trouble there Red!  ;D No, the brakes don't pump at all, the pedal goes right to the floor really fast. I need to get my book out and see where all these things are that you mentioned in your post.  :P Thanks for the tips.

FLA, you know it's funny you mentioned that. Our poor sons are so confused...Norm & I give them Christmas lists every year so they have hints on what we want. Since the boys moved away from home, Norm & I don't have to be responsible adults anymore ;D , and we've had the time to explore new interests. Norm has turned into a great chef, he always was a good cook, but now it is more of a fun thing for him, I have turned more to the outdoor stuff like using the chain saw and things. Our typical Christmas lists have been like; MOM: new chainsaw, hand held planer, orbital sander, carharts, ...next year I'll have to add wrenches, and other car-tools! DAD: frying pan, stew pot, hot pads, pressure cooker, boning knife, ...well you get the point. I have a feeling our new daughter-in-law is wondering what she has gotten herself into!

Patty, sounds like yer havin a ball discoverin a whole different world. ;D ;D ;D  

  Looks like you have the knack to figure things out. Keep it up ;) ;D ;D

FLA, yes you're right. This is great fun for me.  ;D

Patty,
ya probably want to get some Rust Reaper on the bleed screws of each wheel asap.  When it comes time to bleed the brakes your gonna need to be able loosen those screws.  ???

 :) :) :) :)  Nice to see You made that Jeep  going again!  (https://forestryforum.com/smile/bouncingsmilie.gif)


Swede.

woo hoo 8)

pappy has a good point for the reaper
still might need the hotwrench

Our youngest son called yesterday to inquire about the jeep. He said we'll definitely need to bleed the brake lines now....I told him I found this 5-gallon bucket of stuff that had come with the jeep, and I had poured that into where the brake reservoir was. After a long groan, he informed me that 5-gallon bucket was full of lubricant for the rear wheel something (I can't remember the word he said), and now the brakes REALLY won't work. I mentioned that he could come home and help his poor old mom (I always try the sympathy trick with him), but it didn't work this time.  :-/   He thought I was just having enough fun without him there to get in my way. ::)  

id get that stuff outathere
mabie gear oil?

brake fluid is hydroscopic, so NEW stuff is in order. get a quart or so. what are they doing after all that oil went in.

is there oil on the ground anywhere round the jeep

if i was you, patty, id take the master cylinder off the firewall for inspection, the oil may have disloged rubber piston seals.
its not very hard to do, and you can learn the inner workins of the cyllinder. should be two bolts holding it on the wall and the line to the back. look inside for any pitting, and check the rubber for leaks. only use break fluid as petroleum products will break the rubber down. hopefully the oil didnt get into the wheel cylinders.
good luck, breaks arent too taxing, lets get the hydraulic system of the breaks down first ;)

id get that oil out asap
open the bleeders and pump till empty, close the bleeders to introduce new brake fluid into wheels, then push all the oil out with more brake fluid. this may be overkill, specially if your master cylinder is messed up(wont push oil into lines and wheels) but if theres oil in the wheels, better safe than sorry,

again, DONT let that stuff sit in there, youll be lookin at new kits all thru the jeep.

OK, thanks Red, I'll get busy hopefully tonite after my day job. :-/

 :P not to enterupt, but I think they use Denatured Alcahol to clean out brake cyls. is this right? flush out system with it? Duh---Duane

Yep, that is what my book says, Duane. Clean out the master cylander and the lines with alcohal, then actually use brake fluid in them instead of lubricating oil. ::)    Who'd a thought?  :-/

Way to go Patty!!!  Great to see the old Jeep is out and running.  You have to get your brakes working again then you can be a little more adventous and go a little farther away from the shed.  Chuck

Thanks Chuck,

Normally I wouldn't let a little thing like no brakes worry me, but on the Jeep it is the combination of the no brakes, no windshield, no doors, that keeps me a little nervous  :o  
Norm always has the car dealerships install JC bars for all the passengers in my cars so they have something to hang on to.    In the jeep he can't find anything to attach them too!  No wnder everyone gets so whitish-green when they ride with me, at first I thought it was just the bright yellow reflecting off their face!  ;D

give them a ride in the 360 powerd glass body cj-5 :D
theres plenty to hang onto(rollcage) but they cant! :D

like the new pic patty, but i think it makes me feel colder than the previous :D

had to go back THREE WHOLE PAGES to find this thread, ff moves too fast.
anyway, patty, ill bring you a new pair of shorts when i come over to finish the jeep
ill be the one driving the cj5
and yes, thats a trailer.
and yes, your jeep is gettin on it
and yes, i WILL bring it back.
dont worry, just dont worry, thanks for gettin it runnin
ill take care of it from here

The Jeep is under lock & key, Red.

Ok, so there aren't any doors on it to lock, and the keys are in it, but Norm is a REALLY good shot, especially when he's aiming at guys from New York!  :o


Red, if you're nice I'll give you a ride in it. Me driving with out brakes is a ride that you won't soon forget!  8)

update?
i know its plantin time but,
update?

No update on the Jeep, Red. Sorry  :-/  It is still just sittin' there. I did get an A on my Astronomy test, though! Got part of my garden planted, and all the corn is in on the farm. Too early for beans.
Ok, so it is not the same, I know. I really have no excuses. Just kinda hoping one of my sons would come home and fix it for me.  :(   That ain't gonna happen anytime soon though, seemin' since one is in Davenport and the other is down in Georgia at the FLETC for more training. So I've been putting it off. School gets over in 12 days, then I get to go to Germany after that, and then Becky's baby is due the 1st of June. I'll get to the Jeep very soon, I promise. Gosh, now you got me feeling all guilty again, Red.  ::)

I'm a thinking maybe CFI oughta expand into the insurance business.  What with Patty flying through the stars without brakes and Fla. fixing to torch up a giant propane tank, and DanG, fixing up a horse barbacue contrapction, And the possibility of Furby getting plucked  by a horse, and Swead getting a BIGGER motor, and Lord knows what Shop Teacher may cook up next,  I think there may be a real need for additional insurance for some of the Forum Members!!!

I was meaning to ask you about that.  ::)
Oh and what about health care?  ;)

Furby, considering that the' CFI International Convention and Parade' is still a ways off and you probably won't need the chicken suit until then would you be interested in also taking over the insurance division of CFI in your spare time.  Your job would mostly consist of writing policies and collecting dues.  You can refer any claims to our health care division and I will personally issue  all the health care advice anyone can possibly need! :)

Hmmm..............................collecting dues? You mean like $$$$$$$$$$$$?  :o
I'm good at collecting money!  ;D
No problem boss! (https://forestryforum.com/smile/thumbsup.gif)






Is this the right thread, I guess I'm just mixed up!  ;)

Sorry to rehash old news, but I knew Red was just itchin for an update.  ;D
We've been driving jeep around the farm some, now that it is running real good and all. No the brakes aren't fixed, but there is still the hand brake.  ::)
It still dies when it gets warmed up (it makes it as far as the end of the corn field, which is about a mile); so this weekend I hope to replace the coil and the coil wire. Anyone care to go buy one with me?!  ;D I figure it'll take the better part of a day. This time I'm gonna take the old coil with me, maybe that'll save a few hours.
Now be patient, as this project may take a few days...maybe even a week or more. I don't do much during the week after the day job except the chores, and by then I can here the Budweiser calling my name pretty loudly.  ;)      So this is destined to be a weekend job. I'll let you know how it goes, or if I need helpful hints on the installation.

WHOO-HOOO! :o found it ;D

theres wind this jeep might be goin down the road :'(

  i didnt realize there were so many jeepers on this forem, i have been driven jeeps since i was 8.
  the 401 stands for the 401 in my 75 cj5. what a engine it is warmed up a little[maybe a lot].
 shes been to the rockeys a few times an chased a few coyotes. i use it almost like a 4 wheeler,it is part of the farm
  patty if you need eny info. i would be glad to help.
  duke

Yep, the Jeep is for sale. He needs a better home than I can give. I am not a mechanic, and my feeble attempts to be one are pathetic.  ::)
 I prefer to work with wood, I have discovered, and hope to use the money from the Jeep to put into a shop.

I am bringing this thread back up for an update.  ;D     Reading it sure brought back lots of fond memories and fun. I did not sell the old Willy afterall. I found the old mechanic that used to work on it when it served as the local firetruck. The guy towed it off two years ago and called this week and said old Willy was ready to go home.  8)    This afternoon I am going over to pick him up annd DRIVE him home, with brakes and everything !  The mechanic ended up pulling out the motor and rebuilding it, replaced the batteries, and all sorts of stuff too lengthy to mention.

Happy days are here again!  8) 

 8) bring it up to the sand dunes  :D im glad you got it going  :)

I'll second that last post!
Bring him on up!!! 8)

Well Willy didn't make it home.  :-\      We got about a mile down the road, and he siezed up and died....right there 9in the middle of the highway.  ::)   Brett, my son, and I tried to push it off the road a little since we were just at the crest of a hill, but everything was locked up and we could not budge it.  Norm called about that time to see how things were going, and when I mentioned I was a bit busy trying to push the jeep off the highway, he called the old guys that worked on it, and out they both came madder then two wet hens. Of course they each blamed eachother, and were standing there in the middle of the highway arguing while Brett and I were just trying to keep from getting killed by all the traffic going by gawking at the four of us, and four vehicles parked in the road.  ::)  I finally butted in and mentioned that they could continue to argue back at the shop, but MAYBE we should get this yellow jeep, that they just charged me WAY too much to fix,  off the highway! Well that didn't set well. I thought one was going to stroke out as he got all red in the face huffing and puffing; and the other started having an asthma attack and actually had to throw down his cig!

Anyway we towed it back to town, and Brett & I left the two old geezers to duke it out over who had not done their job right. ::)     I am still jeepless.  :-\

Quote from: Patty on October 06, 2006, 06:21:51 PM
I am still jeepless.  :-\

Is that a word? :D  I'm sure they will have it running like a well oiled Swiss watch in just a few days.

Iffen ya get tired of Jeeps...nephew has a really nice Toyota Landcrusier.  He has more money in it than a new one...and it don't run either.  He might entertain a offer for it. :D

Sorry to hear that Patty. Just 'cause knew you were real excited about getting Willy back again.  :(

I hope their hussin'and fussin' didn't include words like who was supposed to put the oil back in.

CAUTION : YOU ARE IN DANGER OF BREAKING JEEP LAW.
If a classic jeep is thought to be dead it most be buried or sold to someone else with the jeep addiction. IT MUST NEVER GO TO A SALVAGE YARD. Its very sad to walk up on a classic jeep that has been cut up with a torch for a few parts.

ok so i havent mastered posting  But please please please let it live! dont send it to the slaughter house. There are enough sources for new after market parts that chopping up a classic jeep can not be justified.



sorry im better now    did i mention that i love my 82 cj8

 :D :D :D :D :D This thread is a hoot. My first 4x4 was a Wagoneer that burnt more oil than gas. Embarassed a few hot doggers with it.

Well I see Patty dredged this thread back up. When she got back a bit frustrated her comment was she should just sell the darn thing. I told her no way....I believe my comment was I was gonna bury her in it before I'd allow it to be sold. By the look on her face I think she thought that was going to be sooner than later. :D

For those that have not seen this thread before and would like to know what it's like to shop with her go back in the thread and read her adventure buying a battery.  ;)

Norm, I got a good chuckle from the "battery" string - thx!  (especially since I worked my way through high school by working in an auto parts house).  I also laughed out loud over the "cooking / mechanicing role reversal" comments!  Did you daughter-in-law ever adjust to the dyslexic christmas lists???

Reading this thread makes me want to spend a few weeks in Iowa helping Patty fix up her jeep.  I'm not sure how I'd explain that to Dr. Laureen though...

That's a great looking CJ5 - I hope that things turn out well.  Patty, if it doesn't and you decide to bail out, pls let me know. I've always been fond of CJ5's and Laureen and I will be bringing an empty trailer home from Phoenix at Thanksgiving....

Scott

Scott my guess is that a few weeks is the minimum it would take to get that old jeep running. :D

If you folks need a resting spot on the way back from Phoenix stop on in. Not sure the route you take but we're about 40 miles north of I-80 if you go that way.

Sorry ta hear about the Jeep Patty.............I was hopin' you'd have reliable ride after all that work >:( >:(  I know from 'sperience that having a customer not make it home with their truck after they have spent a boat load of money on it will upset  yer day  ::) ::)

Ya know.......what that thing needs is a 350 Chevy and and a juiced up 400 turbo tranny ;D ;D

Of course ya could always pull it up inta the barnyard and have at it with the 50 cal :D :D :D

Quote from: Burlkraft on October 08, 2006, 08:54:51 AM
Of course ya could always pull it up inta the barnyard and have at it with the 50 cal :D :D :D

Don't even consider that >:(  Now yer steppin on the flag.:D :D :D

No, the jeep won't be target practice, but we are considering a combine shoot, since no one will let us borrow their silo.  ::) Thinking about dragging a junker down into the field behind us when the corn comes out.   8)

Norm, thanks for the offer.  We'll probably come across on I-40, unless Patty throw's in the towel on the jeep!

     Patty, I read this over again I could not let it go with out knowing ;
          How is the jeep . Is it stll somewhat alive yet ???


 

Quote from: isawlogs on January 10, 2008, 02:48:49 PM

     Patty, I read this over again I could not let it go with out knowing ;
          How is the jeep . Is it stll somewhat alive yet ???


 

Ditto  - hope its up and purring    8)

Funny you should bring this thread back up to the top.   

I have the jeep stored over at our old house in the garage. The two old guys never got it to run again, so I hired a crew to haul it home on a flat bed.  My cute little yellow jeep is nestled in there with the younger son's '67 Camaro and a few other toys that don't run.

My older son and his wife moved into the house last summer, and just happened to notice the garage was full.v :o   He really notices it when his cars are parked in front of the full garage . I told him it build character to scrape the ice & snow off his car every morning.  :)

I figure I will save Willy the Jeep for my grandson to tinker with. Maybe he will get it running someday... I would like nothing better than to see that yellow streak coming down my driveway...unless maybe I was sitting next to him riding shotgun.  8)   I can see it now, Granny & Grandson out cruising in the yellow Willy.

Wow, it's been a little while since this thread got bumped to the top.  :) I was never mechanically inclined nor took interest in it much. If it didn't run it got towed and maybe one way. :D ;)

Not being judgmental or anything here.....  ;)

My brother is a wannabe, but about as far as he gets is parking old cars and trucks in the yard once run by the folks and dreaming about getting them running or trying to get more than they are worth. Thus they are still sitting there.  ;D :D Must have favored grandmother's crowd, with all these old rusted out 1950's cars hidden by forest growth in the back of the lot. He also has a V8 Camaro, 1993 model, and gets all riled up at dealers that tell him it's worth about $7500 and depreciating. He never drives it in winter and hardly in the summer. Now if it were a 60's Coravette, that would be a different matter. But, who knows in 20 years, eh? ;)

I got a 460/c6 in the garage that'd make Willy go goooood....   ;D

The grandson may not need to ride wheelies with his first ride... 

Hmm, that would come under 'if a little is good, more is better, and too much is just enough'. ;D

Holy buckets...a 460?  :o    I my VAST knowledge of engines  ::) I had no idea they made a 6 cylinder that big. My little yellow jeep would be sitting on his nose .

Oops...  460= Ford big block V8. 

with  a C6 transmission. Don't feel bad Patty.

Got me a 460 in the old F250.  Has an Eddlbrock carb, Eddlebrock heads, performance pistons and other goodies.  But it is still my trusty old woods truck.  You should see the look on the faces of the kids who pull up along side, as I am ambling down the road, and they try to blow me away at the stop sign.  It is funny!  :D

Thanks Sawguy, but I don't feel bad....I make a fool of myself all the time on here showing off my knowledge!  :D   By the way, I don't know what a C6 transmission is either.  ::)

I have been asked what is wrong with old Willy and why he won't run. Well I really have no clue whatsoever. I can't even tell you what the two old guys did to it except cash my check...

I just keep hoping he will magically start up again one day and purr like a kitten. (and yes I do believe in fairy tails too! )

Since I started all this confusion...  A C6 is a 3spd. automatic used in full
size cars and trucks from the late 60's till the mid to late 80's. 
This particular one is highly modified for drag racing with a reverse
shift pattern, manual shifting and a trans brake for full throttle launches.

FYI, Trans Brake locks first and reverse together so you can go to full
throttle on the starting line and when the light changes, you take your
hand off the button switch and WHAM!!!! you launch at wide open. 

I dunno why the guy built this combo for a pickup.  I bought the complete
zero mile motor/trans for the price of the camshaft and valve covers on it. 
He was going through a divorce at the time and needed the money.     
I bought on a lark and I'm not sure what to do with it now.  If I could find
'68-'72 short box F100 I'd chuck it in there.  I'd tame down the trans and the
camshaft though. 

OWW, I probably shouldn't ask about gas mileage. ;)

Typical F250 gas mileage - 8mpg empty or loaded

Part of the reason my main truck is a diesel, gets 12-15mpg, and I make my own fuel!

ok--oil run out of engine??? whyd it sieze???? someone forget to put the oil pump in??? thats crazy---good luck--not needed

I do not know Olyman. They towed it in after it seized up on the highway and in a week or so said "come & get it". I called the towing service, had them put it on a flat bed, and deliver it to my door. When the tow truck got here, we slipped it into neutral, "backed" it off the flatbed, and pushed it into the garage. I have not done anything with it since then.

These two old geezers are not men whom I see around much, I was told one of them maintained the jeep when it was a firetruck for the city and that is why I called him. He is moving out of town because the city didn't like him running a junk yard in the city limits  ::) and the other one is from a town west of here. Neither have a pot to pee in, so I figured they must need my money more than I do. I never bothered to ask them for it back and they never offered. We were all happy to part ways.

eeek--thats BAD-----what year--might know where a 4 cyl engine is----

ttt---year????

I am very sorry to hear of your problems, when do you want me to come and get it.  ;)
Jon