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Storing dried lumber for myself
« on: August 28, 2022, 09:18:21 PM »
So I need to figure out how to store dried lumber for myself, not to sell.  Thickness, width, and lengths vary.  I have the most Walnut and Ash, 4, 6 , and 8 feet generally.  I also have a medium amount of white oak and cherry.  Then I have small amounts of cotton wood, elm, and a few others.  I could mix those together as I can tell them apart or mark them on the ends.  I also have a decent amount of barnwood from 1"-3" thick and lengths and widths all over the place.  I'm thinking something like the racks I see in hardwood lumber sellers.  I have longer stock as well, but I'll figure out a different way to store that.  What do you think of this kind of storage?  Maybe something like this but I hope half the width?


 
   I don't have enough conditioned space to store all the wood I want to keep inside.  So it will regain some ambient moisture.  I'm thinking If I bring in what a think I'll need a month or two ahead of time to my conditioned shop space, then hopefully it would come back down to a workable MC?

Any thoughts on the plan?  Any thought on the construction  of the rack?  Thanks.
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Re: Storing dried lumber for myself
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2022, 10:37:46 PM »
I prefer access to the side of the stack so I can roll thru and pick rather than pulling it out the end till I find what I want. Hmm, if you have a floor those can be drawers with wheels to the floor on the ends. A cabinet/millwork shop I worked in had kiln carts lined up. I could stack several bundles high and pull out whichever cart had the species needed. 
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Re: Storing dried lumber for myself
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2022, 10:59:46 PM »
if you have a floor those can be drawers with wheels to the floor on the ends. 
Not really sure what you mean.  Drawers?  Sounds complicated and material intensive?  I will have some flat stacked stacks of 8ft boards on lumber pallets that I can pick apart with the forklift when I need to access a stack.  
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Re: Storing dried lumber for myself
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2022, 09:04:47 AM »
My storage is built into my woodshop in one corner, lengthwise with the building, with several shelves, all open. One side shelf is along the side and extends up above the floor and full of turning squares for chair parts. Much of my lumber for shop work is stored vertically in stacks against the wall in a storage barn. Ceiling heights figure in of course.
 Recently bats have decided they like the crevices in the roof and crap all over everything below.  ::)

The thing with storage is, it's never perfect as space is precious for most of us with wood piles.
Obviously, the less material you have, the more accessible it can be stored, or the more space you have the more choices you have to make it that way. 
My storage building is so full of my cabin projects windows, stoves and such that I can barely get my mower out for now. I'm dreaming about back when I could drive through it lengthwise. 
Many retail wood stores use verticle space for hardwood lumber.  
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Re: Storing dried lumber for myself
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2022, 09:31:14 AM »
 

 

I got the idea for these lumber racks from Yellowhammer.  They are super strong and stable.  You can get them from Uline.  
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Re: Storing dried lumber for myself
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2022, 08:20:38 AM »
Man, the eternal problem... I don't have nearly the needs you guys have but I'm still taking up tons of space with wood I may never find again. I have a rolling rack that is stacked full with space for full sheets of plywood and cutoffs, then anything in the 5' or less ranged gets stood vertically on the rack, then there is some horizontal storage for longer stuff but it's not easily accessible, then I have some horizontal racks bolted to the wall that will hold longer pieces up to 8 or so inches wide. Most of it is not terribly usable or findable, there is no organization, but typically I go look at it and either find some random piece that'll work for my project or grumble about having to cut something or square it up. I'd love to have a better solution. Those racks WDH shows may work.
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Re: Storing dried lumber for myself
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2022, 01:06:13 PM »
If I had a shop with space like that or a high enough ceiling, I would totally picture myself setting up a powered rack like Lowes has for their carpet rolls. make very low profile carts with rollers on the bottoms and stack all the wood on it, then roll it onto the rack and lift it up to repeat the process for the next one.

biggest issue would be having to lower and move one rack out of the way to bring the others back down.


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Re: Storing dried lumber for myself
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2022, 02:38:29 PM »
Ha! I just remembered that my FIL gave me some racking for the barn, I think it's narrow, but I hadn't thought of using it to store wood like this... Hmm, now I'll have to look at it a bit differently.
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Re: Storing dried lumber for myself
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2022, 10:47:53 PM »
@WDH  I like those, but I need them a bit higher.

Pallet racking would be higher, but they have angle braces on the end frames.  Just wondering if I should build from wood and if so, the design?  Maybe there's some taller steel shelving out there?  Maybe I could use pallet racking, but remove the angle braces from the end frames and attach angle braces for each shelf, and cross beams for each shelf on the ends?  Hmmm....
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Re: Storing dried lumber for myself
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2022, 09:33:41 AM »
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« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2022, 10:52:41 AM »
Interesting. Thanks for the link WDH, those look very similar to the ones I got from the Father In Law, and not as expensive as I'da thought. I think mine are like pretty tall and 18" deep? I'll really have to check that out, I'd take up substantially less space with that setup and probably be happier with the organization. 
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Re: Storing dried lumber for myself
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2022, 10:56:51 AM »
Brad is you wood air dried or kiln dried to start, and is it destined for airconditioned space or non?  dead stacked and wrapped will remain constant.  no need to dry less than airdried if going in a non conditioned barn.
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« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2022, 09:48:04 PM »
It is air dried now on lumber pallets stickered, but will be kiln dried before going into the storage racks.  Most of it will end up in projects in air conditioned and heated space(my house etc).  I've finished most of the barn stuff that I could use just air dried for.  

@WDH  thanks.  I had looked at the laminate board racks which they don't offer that high.  It doesn't make any sense why not.  They are the same size shelf boards(96x24)?  I've just always hated particle board.  I've seen it warp and bow with gravity when in a garage (ambient humidity) over time.

Each one appears to come with 3 shelves so for 10 ft I'd need 2 or 3 additional shelves if I want to cap it at 10ft.  So for a six shelf unit it would be 761 plus tax.  I'd Probably have to pick it up in Northern IL. warehouse.  On the other hand I already own 24" pallet racking(actually I can't remember if it's 24 or 36"?  It's in my mom's storage units that I will have to remove sometime this year.  I think they are only 8ft high though.

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Re: Storing dried lumber for myself
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2022, 07:59:51 AM »
When we looked for ours, we found the most difficult part was to find some that was self supporting and did not have or need the diagonal end bracing which can't be used because its in the way of pulling boards.

We have load ours with max capacity wood every week and they hold up great, and the more they are loaded, the stiffer they get.  We buy a few extra shelves per rack and they will hold a lot of wood.
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« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2022, 01:56:15 PM »
so for long term I would dead sack it on a palate on a very flat surface wrapped at least once with 6 mill plastic with taped joints.  not in the sun.
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Re: Storing dried lumber for myself
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2022, 07:53:52 AM »
Those metal racks are amazingly stout. 
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« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2022, 04:13:59 PM »
@WDH  what can you tell me about that cutting table in the foreground of your picture?  Is there a certain design to it for cutting?  It looks like it's about knee height?
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« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2022, 07:43:44 AM »
Yes, a cutting table.  It is as high as the distance from your fingers to the floor when you let you arms hand straight down naturally.  It also has castors so that it can be rolled around easily.  With the track saw, it is easy to crosscut boards for customers who show up in a Prius or to take the live edge off big live edge slabs.
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« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2022, 04:58:27 PM »
Our labor day project is complete, thanks to you all, and Brad for bringing up the topic.

My garage ceiling height is 10' and my racking was 12' so I chopped off the top 3' to make a 9'h x 18"d x ~8'l rack for holding wood, instead of the big rolling rack I had. I was able to redo this area in the garage (for the 2nd time this year) to attempt to clean things up and this should be my best solution.

First is what it looked like before but I forgot to take a picture before moving the rolling rack out, so the picture is a bit goofy.



 

Any of the longer stuff was on cr@ppy racks bolted, likely unsafely, to the studs on the wall as seen in the top part of this picture.



 

The clean out meant tossing all the long junk in the driveway. Note that pretty much all the wood I have is scrap and crap wood. Why am I saving it? I don't know.





And the rolling rack which, as it was unloaded, toppled over and broke apart, there's a lean to the driveway which helped the whole thing fall. I'll save some the usable stuff.



 

Then the reload. This rack saved me probably half the space that rolling rack was using. It made everything more accessible and certainly more organized, even though it's just a pile of random pieces. I'm very pleased. 



 
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« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2022, 12:18:30 AM »
Well, like most farmers, I try to be cost effective and re-use when I can.  The solution I came up with was these light duty pallet racks  that I already had.  The H frames have 1.75"x1.75" cross section and are 30" deep.  The shelf beams are 72" long and 3.5" high.  I do not know how much weight these can hold but I did a calculation and if the 5 shelves in each rack section were full, assuming 3lbs/BF, it would be about 1200 LB per section.  So I decided that I will put three sections together with only 2" in between to give me 8ft deep.  I figure I'll put 1/2"  plywood on each shelf as to support the wood instead of putting it directly on the shelves which are 30" between the beams.  The plywood will help keep from the boards getting caught sliding in.  This will effectively do the same as some of other shelving units noted.  I'm not sure how difficult it would be to find similar racking as I haven't seen much of this lighter duty stuff on CL or marketplace. I think 24" wide H frames would have been better, but 30"  is what I had.  I'm not done building it yet as I need more beams and we are slowly taking the shelving out of my mom's storage spaces as she is getting rid if stuff and preparing to move the rest.  I should be able to get enough next week to finish.  I'm going to do a third section with only two sections of racking that is only 5 feet deep for shorter boards and barnwood.  I don't have to pay anything additional for this racking that I bought back in the early 2000's, except for a bunch of hardware to secure the beams and chains to span one diagonal of each rack to prevent racking.  Maybe $80-$100 worth of hardware.  I will have to pay for 15 sheets of 1/2" plywood which will be the most expensive part.


 

 
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