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Offline Maine logger88

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Re: A not so funny story!!
« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2017, 11:00:35 PM »
\Is it really "fun" to cut pulp all day long day in and out?  Frankly I'd rather guide a group of folks on a canoe trail, or take a bear hunt out, etc. etc. 

well we aren't doing it to get rich!

many of us go to the woods so we don't have to deal with people.
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Yup I agree i enjoy cutting wood more than most things. I would not make a very good guide and although I'm not against it by any means but I don't think the state will be in very good shape relying on tourism alone. We need industry
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« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2017, 04:36:59 PM »
Tough for everyone around the mill but I have personal experience with Maine mills and they have been booming and busting for decades.  My grandfather and his brothers lost everything trying to restart one years ago, tough business.  The reality is that folks need to not be complacent and be willing to change. Instead of selling pulp you might find the best market is cross country ski trials, or birding groups, or canoeing, or bear hunters.  I have no idea, I do know that not being willing to change is a sure sign that life is going to run you over. 

We don't need as much paper, just a fact of life and that's a tough fact for someone whose family ran paper mills for decades.    At least the rivers will be a bit cleaner, someone is likely to pay to enjoy it.
What mill?????
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« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2017, 09:57:47 PM »
Tough for everyone around the mill but I have personal experience with Maine mills and they have been booming and busting for decades.  My grandfather and his brothers lost everything trying to restart one years ago, tough business.  The reality is that folks need to not be complacent and be willing to change. Instead of selling pulp you might find the best market is cross country ski trials, or birding groups, or canoeing, or bear hunters.  I have no idea, I do know that not being willing to change is a sure sign that life is going to run you over. 

We don't need as much paper, just a fact of life and that's a tough fact for someone whose family ran paper mills for decades.    At least the rivers will be a bit cleaner, someone is likely to pay to enjoy it.
What mill?????

I can't honestly remember, that was in 65 when I was but a twinkle in an eye.  I'll ask my uncle.  Before that my grandfather ran the mill (actually built the mill town too) in SE NC that became an IP facility, before that he ran a mill in Roanoke Rapids.  He was on the paper chemistry side of things, not the woodlands.  He ended up ok though, became a big conservationist later in life, maybe to make peace with killing one of the finger lakes in NY, he actually personally killed one...sigh.  Oh well, later on he would commission the first environmental impact assessment in the state of NC, as a private citizen.
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Re: A not so funny story!!
« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2017, 09:58:53 PM »
\Is it really "fun" to cut pulp all day long day in and out?  Frankly I'd rather guide a group of folks on a canoe trail, or take a bear hunt out, etc. etc. 

well we aren't doing it to get rich!

many of us go to the woods so we don't have to deal with people.
8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Yup I agree i enjoy cutting wood more than most things. I would not make a very good guide and although I'm not against it by any means but I don't think the state will be in very good shape relying on tourism alone. We need industry

I actually agree, it's just figuring out what industry that's the trick.  Good luck, I'd rather be in the woods too!
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« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2017, 06:03:20 PM »
The tourism dollar is a fickle one and many small towns have dried up waiting for it to materialize. It is also more susceptible to swings in the economy.  Mill employment will continue to decline due to automation. For the coming generation, robotics and autonomous/ remotely operated machinery will be big competitors for labor in the woods.  Still markets exist for many woods services and products, the tough part is finding and tapping into those markets and making money off them.  Wood is still the ultimate renewable resource whether for building products or fuel sources.  New products coming such as cross laminated timbers, nano cellulose and more will help the wood products industry.  Navigating the change is the hard part and there will be winners and losers.  As long as the wood keeps growing there will be a use for it. 

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« Reply #25 on: February 15, 2017, 07:38:30 PM »
Nativewolf this is not to sound mean . I tell people if you have to ask you would not understand why we get up every morning many weeks 7 days in a row at 3 or 4 am to  drive 100 miles to watch the sun come up over some swamp . Leave the woods after dark have a late supper without your little kids because they are in bed . All for less money than you could make in a factory . I don't expect you to understand that it takes 150 years to grow a black spruce that may have been seen by 2 or 3 foresters in its lifetime and would be dead in 20 more years . Sorry for the rant you would not understand .

I hear you gearbox, I'm actually a forester, well 2 degrees actually worked a while and then drifted into consulting.  I actually own and advise on timberland management, I still have a day job on a computer but I'm working at getting back to land management full time, more fun to me.  I'm at my happiest in the woods too and I know just what you mean.  However, pulp is just not a long term strategy for most landowners- that's all I was getting at.  Mills are closing all over the world and it has impacted landowners from Finland (worked in forest there and studied there too) to Thailand (worked there privatizing forest lands) to Canada.  It's not regulation here or tax there (they blamed tax in Finland) or big companies trying to screw people,   just markets changing and too many mills.  So, going to have to figure something else out.  Someone will, I'm optimistic and have seen worse situations end up ok (deforestation in Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar). 

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« Reply #26 on: February 15, 2017, 10:43:55 PM »
I bought and paid for a brand new 540D cutting mostly pulp ( former  Hammermill Paper Co.). when we got in
  a good sized clearcut, it was as good as it could get. Maybe grab a nice log or two off the butts, rest to pulp. Loved it when we got in good sized beech, logs down to 22''..rest in pulp-weighed up quick  ;)


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