Amerika-Sågen works!

[Swede]

haytrader;Thank You,  I´ve not done that yet. I think I´ll get more than carburator cleener in the carburator running the engine without a filter. : Perhaps when i got the mill at home and can make it clean around the inlet with compressed air.

Swede.

[Tom]

Swede,
The best thing I ever did for my Wood Mizer LT40 was to put a glass sediment bowl in the gas line between the tank and the gas filter.   It stopped the water that condenses in the tank and also most of the solids.  It made my filter last a lot longer.  My engine quit giving me day to day problems and I began to be able to depend on it better.  The glass sediment bowl is easily installed and easily cleaned.  I put it where I could look at it all day as I sawed.

I have sawed for folks who used to use a circular mill, or had them visit.  They would ask "how many logs did you cut today?"  That's how they measured their production, I guess.

I would tell them, "I want the logs to last a long time, but, I want a lot of board feet". ;D

[Fla._Deadheader]

  Our Honda engine came with a fuel filter attached. I added a short piece of fuel line and a second filter. It can be thrown away and replaced very easily and I still have the protection of a filter that IS clean. I am totally amazed at how much water will accumulate in the fuel tank.
  Swede, you have "dry-gas" over there??? It's an additive that contains alcohol that mixes with the water and will run it through the carb and burn it in the cylinders. The Berryman's does this, + cleans the crappy stuff out, also.

[Swede]

Tom; That crazy question is the one I always get too! I answer: I don´t consume logs, I produce boards!  8)

I don´t know what glass sediment bowl is. I have a plastic bubble with a "paper" filter in. Now hanging so I can see it, just before the gasoline pump.

Fla_D. Ehhmmmmm........."Dry-gas"  ???  Wish I could try that Berrymans stuff. We have an  additive here (K-sprit) to let into the tank taking the water away. Some cars don´t work with out one of them bottles sometimes.  I´ll try that tomorrow!  

Swede.

[Fla._Deadheader]

That's the stuff, Swede. Dry-gas is a trade name. Don'T know what it is actually called, but, you figgered it out 8) :D :D

[Tom]

Here is a sediment bowl.



As simple a device as this is, I never understood why manufacturers
quit putting them on engines.

[Minnesota_boy]

Tom,
I can tell you have never lived up north.  One time of forgetting to drain the water out of that sediment bowl, having it freeze and break and draining all the gas out of the tank and you would know why they quit putting them on engines.  They sure work good in the summer though.

[Swede]

THAT bowl I´ve seen, Tom! May I say.....You draw  very good and fast!  :D
I´ll try to find one to hang on my saw mill and I´ll never forget to drain it.
In some hours I know if the problem is that simple, just water in the tank. And I didn´t find it out at once............. Thank You for all advices to a "dum svensk"!

Swede.

[Swede]

Today I drained the carburator 3 times, there is a little screw marked DRAIN, and the engine worked very good. after an hour or so I had to close the choke some, after two hours I had to drain again. Water?  ???. So now I´m looking for a small sediment bowl..
Took the tank off  this evening and let all gasoline (and water) out. Tomorrow morning it´s dry. Cryed som over the lost gasoline, it costs close to SEK10,50 ($1,4) now. Think that job is finished tomorrow and i HAVE taken photos!  :D

Swede.

[Tom]

Swede,
Don't throw good gasoline away :D

The farmers at home would sometimes put water in their gas or diesel tanks to keep thieves from syphoning the gas and using it in their cars.  The next day they would syphon the water off of the bottom of the tank and mow the field.

While I wouldn't go to that extreme, I have poured the gas into an open 5 gallon container so I could see the water and syphon it off with a small hose.  Then I could pour the gasoline back into the tank and burn it.  I don't think too much gets dispersed/homogonized in the gas to bother it.

Here is what I found out about the gas tank on my mill.  It is a plastic "outboard motor" tank.

During the heat of the day, pressure builds up in the tank.  At night the tank cools and the dew settles on the outside of the tank. (rain does it too)  The "vacuum" created inside of the tank when it cooled actually sucked the water in from under the gaskets.  I'm sure that the humid air in a partially filled tank is responsible for some water too. I know it was happening on the mill because I would check the container that I transported the gas in and it would be clean. That's why I installed my first sediment bowl.  I figure a lot of mill owners suffer from this and just haven't recognized it yet.

Since I installed the sediment bowl, people would see the little bit of water in it and chastise me for not cleaning the bowl. They didn't realize that was the reason for having the bowl to begin with.  As long as the water level in the bowl doesn't get high enough to be taken into the line that goes to the engine then it is doing its job.  No need to clean it just because there is a drop or two there.  I guess freezing would be a consideration but I never had to worry about that and wouldn't have thought of it as a problem.  I see how some folks in colder climates may have a different view.  I still think it is better to trap the contaminants where they can be seen than "hope" that the gas is clean and have to clean a carburator.

There may be a market for the things one of these days.  They are getting to be harder and harder to find.

I've been told that I don't need it because I have a filter.  I use it to protect the filter. :D

Just because it's yesterdays technology doesn't make it bad. :D :D

[Fla._Deadheader]

  Swede, Swede, Swede, next time you dump the tank, dump it into a white container, like a bucket. The water will seperate and go to the bottom. You can pour off the gas that's on top and watch that you dont pour the water WITH the gas. A little "dry-gas" and you can use the recycled gas. ;D ;D ;D ;D

  Pics, huh. Can't wait to see Sweden. ;) ;)

[Swede]

Fla._D. :D There was just 2 cm gas left in the tank!  Do You really think a genuine "Smålänning" pours out a lot of gasolin?
One day, when my photos come I´ll get them into the ´pjuter and try to learn how to show them. But you know, that language........... ;D ;D

Tom; One of my nabors had a "friend" who sold him a tank with 2M³ fireing oil in. He don´t fire with oil so he sold it to an other nabor. he just needed the tank. One day they came to me and asked what to do. They had let the oil into the tank inside the house but could not get any fire.
I helped them and found that 85% was water!  :D :D :D

I think the water comes into the tank by air. When the gas goes to the egine there goes air in and in all air there is some water. Warm air can wear more water than cold air. Gasoline pours out and in some times and also in different temeratures. To a tanker truck, to a cold tank down the ground at the gas station, up to my 5 gallon tank, to the tank on the saw mill. Offcorse there is some water! And as You say, at night all the tanks take in air on the day pulling out.

I use to dry my car untill the tank is empty and allways fill it up then. Have heard it´s the best way to do and have never had any problems with wather in the tank in any car.

Perhaps  Your bowl protects the filter too but the filter takes saw dust and the bowl takes water. I´ve had some problem telling costomers about that as I also work with compressors and compressed air. In that case a filter don´t take much water, you have to COOL the air down.

 I´ve seen many big bowls on big diesel engines. I just foud out where I´ve seen a small bowl. On my nabors boiler! :D :D  I think his old dog can´t hear very good............ ;D

Swede.

[Swede]

My start motor is OK!   I´ve always pulled my engie to start, thinking the motor had get to much water. Yesterday I looked at the electric stuff because the lamp for oil pressure didn´t glow. Found some rust behind the starting key, worked for a while and the start motor works and the lamp too!  

Was sawing at the cronic raging man´s farm today. He want´s me to consume his small, old and crooked logs and do it fast so there is some fireing wood too.  Was there for 7 hours and we have had dinner and cofee break for 2,5 hours or more. 3 times when the rain began his whife told us to go in for food. Perfect timing! Stoped sawing at 18:00 because of more rain.
 
I stoped Amerika-Sågen once and screamed at him 2 times when he was hanging around where I don´t want him to. Twice I only wait sawing and he don´t want any kind of waiting.  ;) Perhaps I´ve been more raging than him today,  ;D he has been friendly all the time.

No problems with the engine after i drained the tank and let it dry. I also use that "dry-gas" stuff but no sediment bowl yet. I don´t trust old dogs........... :D

Swede.

[slowzuki]

Swede, I think your sense of humor combined with the language barrier is great :D :D :D  

You use better words to describe situations than an english speaking person ever could!

How's the mill running?
Ken

[Swede]

Ken; Language barrier ???  ??? What language barrier? I´ve no problem with the language!  ;D  Whatcha talkin´bout?  I think it works great exept when some of you´re talking slang.  :D :D :D

Yesterday I had to drain the carburator once and let in more dry-gas. Today I´ve not been sawing, they said at TV this morning it will rain all the day. So I took a look at my  terrible finance state.  : *ujujuj* I rather saw some small crooked old logs in any weather.

Swede.

[Swede]

Logs 10-15" in small end x 19' and boards for siding, 1 1/8x10"



Loading log




Amerika-Sågen, 1:st picture.

  Swede.

[Swede]

  wrong again *håhå, jaja-ja*

 : Swede.

[Fla._Deadheader]

  Yer gettin it Swede, yer gettin it. A little bigger next time. ;) ;D :D :D :D :D

[Swede]

I  have to try once more.




34 of 40 logs are 10-15" in small end x 19' . Boards for siding, 1 1/8x10".

Swede.

[Fla._Deadheader]

  Now yer gettin it. Just a little bigger, maybe. Like the pic also. ;D ;D

[Norm]

Hey Swede, good job on the pictures. Sure enjoy seeing your part of the world.

[Swede]

Norm; Thank You but not so good job but much job! All programe instructions are in English and you all know about my English.............. :




Fla._D  ;D
Big enough?

Swede.

[T_in_SC]

Nice pics Swede.  Are those spruce logs?

[Swede]

Yes, these big logs are all spruce. 1:st log in the tree, to wide for the "big"  :D saw mills. Most big sawmills here can´t handle logs more than ~20" so them wide goes for less money to specialiced saw mills or they turn them down with a mobile turner .
This customer want the best wood for himselfe to use on his own properties. As you see there is some full grown forest left here but not much.

Hardwood is hard to find here. Most they sprayed with toxic stuff here or cut down for fireing wood 25-50 years ago. Most people still think hardwood=weed. I love to tell them how much they get payed in Finland for birch and how fast aspen grows!  :D Also that we´ll get another climate here in 30-100 years. Most people just goes on planting their DanG spruce as their dad did and their grand dad..................... : Some turns over to pine because they PERHAPS don´t need to plant.
I also have fun telling them there is aspen plants to buy in US. :D :D :D
-ASPEN PLANTS?!??
- Yes, aspen you usaly don´t have to plant if you make a clearing and not birch.
Aspen: SEK 250-300/M³ and you make clearing after 30-35 years.
Pine and spruce: SEK. 300-600/M³ if you make clearing after 80 years but most clearing they do in 60 years old stands now. It´s half growed trees wich gives turned wood.

I´ve been told sawed and dryed Finnish birch cost SEK. 3-7000/M³. Swedish spruce SEK. 1200-2000/M³

Swede.

[EZ]

Does black walnut grow there.
EZ