Did not Bibby enough!

drobertson · August 15, 2013, 08:02:04 PM

I've sawed enough to know better, but this one got me, no camera, sorry, but thought about it after Plenty of Bibbying, nice curved cuts, and low and behold bit at the end! saved the band, but what a chore, first time in quite a while, david

Chuck White · August 15, 2013, 08:08:46 PM

Stuff happens David.

Don't ask me how I know!

grweldon · August 16, 2013, 08:04:56 AM

Please excuse my ignorance, but I don't understand this post. It sounds like there might be some information there that would be valuable, but not unless I can understand it..

Please translate! ;D

Ga Mtn Man · August 16, 2013, 08:23:37 AM

Curved cuts. ???

drobertson · August 16, 2013, 08:58:33 AM

Had a 38" butt log and thought I had trimmed the swells off enough to get my clearance and the slab cut, and I know it sounds crazy, but for whatever reason my saw will allow me to slowly cut in a curve, from either side, anyway, thats' about it, david

dboyt · August 16, 2013, 09:14:43 AM

"Bibby" is to trim down any parts of the log like a swell butt, before milling. This is best done before the log is on the mill, though often done with with the log on the mill and the blade pushed as far into the log as it will go. Then you have to back the blade out of the cut to make room for the chain saw, and trim the log on the mill. Evidently, Dave didn't trim down the swell butt quite enough, and got the saw stuck at the very end of the cut, and popped the band off when a guide hit the log.

As for cutting a curve (I assume with the chain saw), I'm guessing that he has a .050 chain on a .058 bar, which gives it enough slop to cut a curve with his saw.

Magicman · August 16, 2013, 09:46:07 AM

I like the butt at the back of the sawmill except those that need Bibbying. On those, I want the butt on the front so that I can be assured of passing before I enter the log. Hitting the blade guide or backing out is a pain in the butt.

A 42" butt.

That butt Bibbyed down for sawing.

But here is a 45" Cypress butt on the back of the sawmill.

The Bibbying was easier because the sawhead was not in the way, but it took closer measuring. I rotated it a couple of times with the log turner before I was satisfied that the blade guides would pass.

Even then I could only make a few passes before rotating 45° and "gun barreling" it down to sawing size.

grweldon · August 16, 2013, 11:25:54 AM

Thank you for the explaination DBOYT and thanks for the pictures MAGICMAN. Apparently "bibbying" is a term for at least one other act. You explained bibbying as what you do when you load your logs on the trailer. Are there any other processes that you are aware of that the term "bibbying" would apply to?

Ga Mtn Man · August 16, 2013, 11:45:55 AM

gr- I think you may be remembering that wrong. "Parbuckling" is a method for loading logs on a trailor.

MRowsh · August 16, 2013, 12:06:32 PM

Thanks to all good explanations and pictures. I do not have my saw mill yet, but I think I have learned a lot from you all.

And I guess it is a very good idea to measure twice at the big end, before the cut starts. If I am not mistaken, The LogMaster ML2 can cut 36 inch wide. I have to go to their website and verify it. If that is the case, I do not think I run into any such issues with all the initial logs that I have plan to cut. The biggest one which is hickory will be about 34 inches.

grweldon · August 16, 2013, 01:58:10 PM

Quote from: Ga Mtn Man on August 16, 2013, 11:45:55 AM
gr- I think you may be remembering that wrong. "Parbuckling" is a method for loading logs on a trailor.

You are correct... that's the term. It's tough getting old when you used to be sharp as a tack!

Magicman · August 16, 2013, 02:04:26 PM

When you get a little older, you will not remember what a tack was or that it was sharp.

hackberry jake · August 16, 2013, 04:26:09 PM

Was the term "bibbying" around before "bibbyman" and he chose his handle based off of that or did bibbyman get known for shaving logs down to size and then the term "bibbying" came along?

beenthere · August 16, 2013, 04:47:13 PM

As I recall, Bibby made one of his good posts about how to get a large oversize log down to size on his bandmill. As others wanted to refer to his well-described method (which I recall as including the gun-barreling technique which I think was a Bibby-given name), then it was easy to say "bibbying" the log on the mill.

I could be remembering wrong, but that is the way I do recall it.

;D

I suspect Bibbyman's handle came from his wearing of the bib overalls. ;)

Bibbyman · August 16, 2013, 04:54:16 PM

The method of sawing off oversize parts of a log was invented long before my time. I know it as barrel sawing. I may well have been the first on the Forum to post pictures and description of the process as done on band mill.

I use this method when quarter sawing also. It removes most all the bark that would be edged off anyway and makes flats at 45° that can clamped against when sawing the quarters.

drobertson · August 16, 2013, 05:38:03 PM

I am new to the forum in respect to some of the others, and did this for logs that were over the size limit before knowing the correct term ;D but it fits quite well, and I kinda like it when I don't get greedy ;D practice makes perfect, david

redprospector · August 16, 2013, 09:26:09 PM

Quote from: grweldon on August 16, 2013, 01:58:10 PM
Quote from: Ga Mtn Man on August 16, 2013, 11:45:55 AM
gr- I think you may be remembering that wrong. "Parbuckling" is a method for loading logs on a trailor.

You are correct... that's the term. It's tough getting old when you used to be sharp as a tack!

As I get older, I've noticed that sharp tacks have flat heads. :D

Andy

5quarter · August 17, 2013, 12:31:13 AM

The WM mill is uniquely designed for Bibbying down big logs. since the head runs on a monorail, the log loading side of the mill fully unobstructed. I would not be surprised if someone here has not "bibbyed down" a 50" log at one time or another. ;)

Magicman · August 17, 2013, 08:46:18 AM

I had a 52" Pecan on my sawmill. There are things that people just should not do. No matter how much you Bibby, the blade will only raise to 36" above the sawmill bed. Period. :-\

WDH · August 17, 2013, 09:41:15 PM

How did you get it off ???.

Bibbyman · August 17, 2013, 10:28:55 PM

Quote from: Magicman on August 17, 2013, 08:46:18 AM
I had a 52" Pecan on my sawmill. There are things that people just should not do. No matter how much you Bibby, the blade will only raise to 36" above the sawmill bed. Period. :-\

If you are stubborn enough you can find a way. I have cut deep notches where the log set on the bed rails so fat logs would set lower on the mill. If you can't raise the bridge, lower the water kind of thinking.

Magicman · August 17, 2013, 10:37:29 PM

One piece at the time. ;D

But as I said, "There are things that people just should not do." :-\

5quarter · August 18, 2013, 01:40:09 AM

MM...you shoulda cut it. either would have killed you or made you famous... ;D I've cut many logs that were way too big for my mill. stoopid? yes. impractical?. yes. unprofitable? mostly, yes. Incredibly fun and worth the brag? most definitely yes. ;D 8)